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15:37:17 <|3b|> sounds entertaining :) 15:37:42 *|3b|* suspects complete print/read consistency will not be possible without putting restrictions on local nicknames 15:38:30 <|3b|> if a package shadows the full name and all nicknames of a package, but doesn't add any local nicknames, printing symbols from that package might be difficult :p 15:40:55 -!- rpg [~rpg@216.243.156.16] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:46:46 pdlogan [~patrick@174-25-37-137.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #sbcl 15:51:28 hey, no debugger without a working printer 15:51:31 that is encouraging 16:08:21 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-177-250.netcologne.de] has joined #sbcl 16:18:21 what's the current sbcl status for threads on openbsd ? 16:18:23 you don't even have a debugger? that sounds bad 16:18:49 I'm wondering what would be the load of work necessary for threads to work flawlessly on openbsd x86/x86-64 16:20:00 probably not very high; I think freebsd already supports them 16:20:25 if you're lucky, it's about at the level of copy-and-paste 16:20:30 I think the freebsd thread support is experimental 16:21:55 even so 16:22:05 you two might have different definitions of "flawless" 16:22:11 getting at least experimental support is probably fairly easy 16:22:42 though I say that with complete ignorance of both freebsd and openbsd 16:22:47 <|3b|> which was the bsd that had the odd threading libs sbcl wouldn't like? 16:23:01 openbsd has no kernel thread support (yet) 16:23:07 so threads are purely userland 16:23:59 *|3b|* seems to remember hearing about that being a problem, but also doesn't actually know anything about BSDs 16:24:52 I may setup openbsd on my laptop and try to do something this weekend, but if there's a show stopper, I'd love to know it before :) 16:26:51 *|3b|* may have been thinking about netbsd now that i think about it though 16:38:48 *|3b|* looks at mailing list archive and fails to find whatever it was i was half remembering 16:53:58 |3b|: astonishingly, I've got it working 16:54:10 approximately as working as it was, anyway 16:54:13 <|3b|> cool 16:54:27 (defstruct (foo (:subclassable t)) (a 3)) 16:54:27 (defclass bar (foo standard-object) ((b :initarg :b :accessor b))) 16:54:27 (defvar bar (make-instance 'bar)) 16:55:24 I wonder what doesn't work. A surprising amount of slot accessing does work 16:58:02 <|3b|> any performance impact for structure without that option? (or ones with it for that matter) 17:02:29 asno 17:02:31 whoops 17:02:59 basically none. No change at all for structures without that option; a structure with that option takes two words more in memory but basically everything else is unchanged 17:04:32 (a Wizard did it) 17:08:30 antifuchs [~foobar@ec2-184-73-244-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined #sbcl 17:12:31 openbsd's 1:1 threading support still isn't finished, corrent 17:15:11 you mean it started ? though rthreads was for later 17:15:33 there's been quite a lot of work done on rthreads actually 17:16:09 that's pretty cool 17:16:12 I've looked into getting sbcl working with the current libpthread, by the way 17:17:53 unfortunately it looks like too much work to get libpthread to do the right thing with signal contexts 17:18:24 ok, so we just have to wait for rthreads 17:22:17 yep 17:23:38 maybe I'll take another look at my aborted ccl port then as well 17:25:13 there's always ecl 17:30:54 yep, that's the only lisp I can really use on my irc machine 17:32:36 gor[e] [~svr@gw1.masterhost.ru] has joined #sbcl 18:09:41 superjudge [~mjl@c83-250-110-188.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #sbcl 18:40:01 slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-76-254-45-145.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #sbcl 18:48:03 -!- redline6561 [~user@c-66-56-55-169.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:01:57 nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181199216.pp.htv.fi] has joined #sbcl 19:01:57 -!- ChanServ has set mode +o nikodemus 19:04:19 -!- tcr [~tcr@217-162-131-235.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:11:35 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181199216.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 19:14:26 nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181199216.pp.htv.fi] has joined #sbcl 19:14:30 -!- ChanServ has set mode +o nikodemus 19:15:51 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-177-250.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:20:36 -!- pdlogan [~patrick@174-25-37-137.ptld.qwest.net] has left #sbcl 19:33:18 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-183-205-247.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:35:17 cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-183-205-247.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #sbcl 20:07:10 hi nikodemus 20:07:32 today, I have rebased my two-year-old subclassable-structures branch 20:07:50 it seems to work as well as it did two years ago 20:08:45 what I can't remember is what didn't work then :-/ 20:09:40 you didn't use org-mode back then?! 20:12:45 coolness 20:28:30 -!- ASau [~user@93-80-248-41.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: reboot] 20:31:08 antifuchs: I did not! 20:31:26 also I have had too much actual stuff to do recently to keep up with writing everything that I need to do soon 20:31:47 my sbcl.org does say 20:31:48 ** TODO : finish work on subclassable structures 20:31:52 but it doesn't say anything else 20:32:52 haha, ouch 20:32:55 I have entries like that /-: 20:33:14 it's really annoying when htat happens. 20:34:03 I think I have something like that for wider-fixnums. And I'm fairly sure there's /some/ part of the type system somewhere that didn't get updated, that no current test finds, and that I knew the location of at one point. 20:34:58 it's led me to always take some time off the most urgent thing to write down my previous project's status. "park on a downhill slope" or something. 20:35:59 Mmm. Even just keeping a running log of what's been done and what's still to do is easy, especially if you update it during build cycles, and is less likely to be useless down the line. 20:43:08 just wait till you have two jobs and children, young whippersnappers :-) 20:45:59 A fate I'd really rather avoid, thank you. 20:46:36 when I write "always" that should read "never except when I don't particularly want to do my currently urgent thing right now" (: 20:50:46 *pkhuong* wonders if he can manage to commit the intrinsic stuff before subclassable structures or wider fx 20:55:12 -!- superjudge [~mjl@c83-250-110-188.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 21:01:19 homie [~levgue@xdsl-84-44-208-18.netcologne.de] has joined #sbcl 21:08:31 rpg [~rpg@mpls.sift.info] has joined #sbcl 21:09:03 -!- froydnj [~froydnj@gateway.codesourcery.com] has left #sbcl 21:31:36 udzinari [~user@ip-89-102-12-6.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #sbcl 21:43:26 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181199216.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 21:46:34 nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181199216.pp.htv.fi] has joined #sbcl 21:46:34 -!- ChanServ has set mode +o nikodemus 22:05:58 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-84-44-208-18.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 22:10:41 homie [~levgue@xdsl-84-44-208-18.netcologne.de] has joined #sbcl 22:13:07 ASau [~user@93-80-248-41.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #sbcl 22:59:15 -!- rpg [~rpg@mpls.sift.info] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:13:54 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-76-254-45-145.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:30:40 tcr [~tcr@217-162-131-235.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #sbcl