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Why can't sbcl stack allocate a variable with a specialized cons type? (let ((foo (cons 0 0))) (declare (type (cons fixnum fixnum) foo) (dynamic-extent foo)) 20:09:58 Can it without the type declaration? 20:10:21 yup 20:10:39 My memory is saying something about {LVAR,USE}-GOOD-FOR-DX-P, but it's a bit fuzzy about this part. 20:13:30 -!- dlowe_ [~dlowe@guest-fw.dc4.itasoftware.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:15:21 dlowe_ [~dlowe@guest-fw.dc4.itasoftware.com] has joined #sbcl 20:25:00 -!- dlowe_ [~dlowe@guest-fw.dc4.itasoftware.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:25:19 dlowe_ [~dlowe@guest-fw.dc4.itasoftware.com] has joined #sbcl 20:36:24 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-174-145.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:37:18 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-169-2.netcologne.de] has joined #sbcl 20:38:44 -!- dlowe_ [~dlowe@guest-fw.dc4.itasoftware.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:24:40 isn't that upgraded to (CONS T T)? :| 21:25:59 "Clearly, we need specialized CONS types for unboxed heap storage." 21:33:00 I think it at least informs the type derivation of the local access, which is all I was looking for. 21:33:12 (and fixnum doesn't need unboxed storage) 21:34:04 Yeah, yeah. 21:34:38 I still think it'd be neat to have unboxed storage for closed-over values, even if it's just for d-x closures. 21:35:22 And since all local functions (those without XEPs) are d-x these days... 21:52:05 -!- dlowe [~dlowe@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit [Quit: *poof*] 21:53:12 davazp [~user@15.Red-83-57-38.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #sbcl 21:59:44 Guys, tell me where SBCL's easter eggs are. 22:01:23 Still inside the bunny. 22:03:46 it can't die horrible death if you're not careful 22:04:53 -!- hargettp [~hargettp@dhcp-162.mirrorimage.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:10:52 -!- mega1 [~user@catv4E5CABA2.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:17:30 stassats: You mean... if you are careful then it -can- die a horrible death? 22:18:01 that's a possibility too 22:20:20 -!- ASau [~user@95-27-147-227.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:25:52 Is there a bit of history about SBCL written somewhere? 22:26:11 cvs history 22:26:36 stassats: NO, that probably has a lot of stuff I probably /don't/ want to see. 22:26:39 political history? Krystof wrote a bit in 2009's 10-year anniversary announcement 22:26:44 also, wnewman's advogato diary. 22:26:57 antifuchs: yes 22:26:59 search for "party like it's 1999" I think 22:27:13 also, ALL THE #lisp IRC LOGS (-: 22:27:26 also, CMUCL history 22:28:40 antifuchs: if I read those, I'd get depressed reading from a few years ago when I was talking about making my own "new and improved" lisp 22:29:00 hah 22:29:09 everybody goes through lisp-puberty 22:29:30 I get sad when I read old logs and find out all the stuff I used to remember, but don't anymore (: 22:30:47 but yeah. we all were naive once (: 22:31:23 even paul graham? 22:32:11 . o O (Arc smells a lot like my first homebrew lisp... just as featureless, just as buggy...) 22:33:28 Paul Graham just never stopped being naive 22:36:50 so would you SBCL people get angry if I made patches for more informative lambda lists, e.g., (subtypep SUBTYPE SUPERTYPE ...) 22:37:32 ASau [~user@95-27-147-227.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #sbcl 22:42:01 -!- ASau [~user@95-27-147-227.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:42:30 ASau [~user@95-27-147-227.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #sbcl 22:57:02 http://news.ycombinator.com *STILL* doesn't speak HTTP 22:57:54 I mean come on... 23:08:57 haha 23:09:20 you don't get it. that is a RESTful api, inspired by HTTP (-: 23:09:30 -!- davazp [~user@15.Red-83-57-38.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has left #sbcl 23:09:57 foom: if you don't know about it already, you may find http://twitter.com/#!/HackerNewsTips hilarious (: 23:11:39 has there actually been any changes made to arc since 2008? 23:11:41 "Use Java and MySQL. This offers the best of both worlds: being able to throw around "open source", and blaming Oracle for your failure." 23:11:42 :D 23:13:25 does arc even have a public repository ? 23:15:42 duh, no. Nobody has written version control software yet 23:15:43 haha, http://arclanguage.org/item?id=803 23:15:58 "First things first. I put arc into a standard subversion repository. I applied Eli Barzilay's patch to make it work with MzScheme v372 and put MzScheme v372 into an svn:externals so the whole thing comes in one big bundle. It's way slow but it works." 23:16:14 then the poster goes on about how bad an idea that was. 23:16:21 hope this answers all our questions about arc (-: 23:17:24 Krystof [~csr21@217-162-131-235.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #sbcl 23:17:24 -!- ChanServ has set mode +o Krystof 23:17:37 antifuchs: that HackerNewsTips thing is fantastic :D 23:17:59 every single tip on that is <3 23:18:22 "He who starts the meme, controls the meme." :D 23:21:27 scymtym [~user@2001:638:504:2093:21a:a0ff:fe34:2d7d] has joined #sbcl 23:23:20 hi, i would like to report a (supposed) sbcl bug but could use some advice since it's a bit elusive 23:24:05 An elusive bug? Is it intermittent, or just hard to track down the cause? 23:24:38 -!- rpg [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:24:55 both, i guess 23:25:10 i happens during compilation, but seems to depend on some kind of state 23:25:13 it 23:25:26 Can you describe the bug? 23:25:41 antifuchs: how's the writeup coming along? 23:25:55 it triggers "failed AVER: (ZEROP (HASH-TABLE-COUNT #)) ..." in the debugger 23:25:59 slyrus: I stopped yesterday, ran out of time (also, it was too beautiful outside) 23:26:08 should have some more time tomorrowish 23:26:36 nyef: it seems to be caused by a macro that defines a condition being used within a lift test case 23:26:47 Oh, joy. 23:26:51 A backtrace might help. 23:26:55 sure 23:27:18 can i post it here? 23:27:20 lisppaste2: url? 23:27:20 To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/sbcl and enter your paste. 23:27:30 i see, thanks 23:27:39 antifuchs: yes, it was pretty amazing yesterday. 77 deg on the GG bridge! (what's the in non-crazy units? 23?) 23:27:47 *nyef* winces. 23:27:56 I found an aver matching that pattern in the compiler. 23:28:01 yeah, just about 23:28:12 It involves FASL-OUTPUT-PATCH-TABLE, doesn't it? 23:28:20 slyrus: it's incredible. I had to walk around in a short-sleeved t-shirt. ALL DAY. because it was TOO HOT. 23:28:32 in the northern hemisphere, in /february/. 23:29:00 nyef: yes 23:29:24 scymtym pasted "sbcl bug" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/119455 23:30:08 nyef: anything else I can do? 23:30:26 Not sure yet. 23:30:31 tcr1 [~tcr@217-162-131-235.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #sbcl 23:31:08 Looks like the AVER occurs far too late to get much in the way of useful information... 23:31:22 Actually, what's in the hash table? 23:32:01 i think, the hashtable is defined by lift 23:32:21 i just noticed an earlier error 23:32:31 i will make another paste for that 23:32:55 antifuchs: fortunately it's 20 F here (-7C maybe?) here with 2 feet of new snow on the ground :) 23:33:06 Annotate the current paste instead? 23:33:32 scymtym pasted "sbcl bug earlier error" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/119456 23:33:38 The hash-table that the AVER is complaining about is fairly internal to how the compiler creates FASL files, so if it's defined by lift that would be rather wierd. 23:33:40 slyrus: good for you - I think I could use a bit of distance between myself and snow (: 23:33:52 nyef: sorry, too late 23:34:10 That's fine. You'll know for next time, maybe. 23:35:33 How comple... Oh. Oh! 23:36:12 Yeah, I see how the patch table is getting screwed up. 23:36:41 And it's not quite relevant. 23:37:36 The obsolete class thing is probably screwing up the patch table invariant. 23:39:09 does that mean the user code is faulty? 23:39:56 I'm not sure, but it's a touch more likely given how hard it should be to have an invalid layout. 23:40:51 ok 23:42:32 So, what is no-such-foo-class, and where is it defined? 23:44:01 it's a condition class and it's defined by the define-findable-class-family macro 23:44:25 should i paste the source? 23:44:44 Umm... Actually, I think I'm lost. 23:45:01 This touches on part of the system that I'm unfamiliar with. 23:45:33 ok 23:45:55 thanks for your time