00:02:28 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@catv-89-133-170-47.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:08:06 -!- stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:08:15 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@catv-89-133-170-47.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #sbcl 00:08:23 stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #sbcl 00:08:40 -!- tcr [~tcr@cpc5-bour5-2-0-cust340.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:16:11 -!- rbarraud [~rbarraud@118-93-187-24.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:16:48 rbarraud [~rbarraud@118-93-187-24.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has joined #sbcl 00:50:45 the difference between how sbcl directories are layed out when built and when installed is causing headaches to me again 00:51:28 this time xcvb fails to run when using a built sbcl (as opposed to also installing it) 00:52:19 *attila_lendvai* symlinks and procrastinates writing a mail about it to sbcl-devel 01:06:22 -!- hefner [~hefner@ppp-58-11-47-100.revip2.asianet.co.th] has quit [Quit: Arrrr!] 01:12:08 attila_lendvai: To what particular difference do you refer? 01:12:29 nyef: relative location of the exe and the core file 01:12:39 Ah. 01:12:52 ... Yeah, that's one of the few such remaining. 01:13:18 having a well defined relative location and not hiding the sbcl executable in src/runtime/ could get rid of run-sbcl.sh 01:13:45 and make xcvb happy when the master is running in a non-installed sbcl 01:13:46 The problem actually is that the core file is defined relative to SBCL_HOME, as are the contribs. 01:14:19 I had so much trouble with SBCL_HOME that I routinley unset it... 01:15:06 wherever it's needed in our setup, which includes building executable cores and development .core files, I always set it locally 01:15:43 but I don't think there's need for SBCL_HOME at all assuming well defined default directories on a unix system 01:16:44 it could be kept optionally, but sbcl Should Just Work by running it like "my-sbcl-checkout/sbcl --version" 01:18:44 *nyef* points out that the --version switch, being a runtime switch, doesn't need to know where the core file is. 01:20:14 well, --version was only there to make it clear what I 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23:11:24 -!- rbarraud [~rbarraud@118-93-187-24.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:13:15 would it be ok if sb-debug:backtrace bound *print-readably* to nil? or while we are at it, if it used with-standard-io-syntax to use a well-defined state? 23:13:42 rbarraud [~rbarraud@118-93-187-24.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has joined #sbcl 23:13:52 current issue: xcvb calls it and *print-readably* is bound to T which make it fail... 23:28:51 hrm, there's funcall-with-debug-io-syntax. the problem is that xcvb calls directly into sb-debug:backtrace... 23:31:39 So... patch XCVB? 23:32:31 I think sb-debug:backtrace should have a with-debug-io-syntax in it... it's an exported symbol... 23:33:12 unnecessarily rebinding a few dozen specials is not the end of the world in an interactive program 23:34:00 I think that any change to the debug API should first involve a study of why it is the way it is and what the design principles were. 23:35:00 nyef: well, I spent some time fixing things in debug.lisp and my impression is that there wasn't too much design behind some parts... 23:36:17 I've got a patch and as far as I know nikodemus is looking at it and further cooking it 23:40:41 The thing is, it's mostly inherited from cmucl. 23:53:08 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@catv-89-133-170-47.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:58:52 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@catv-89-133-170-47.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #sbcl