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2016-06-22T07:06:08Z beach: That link is a death sentence for "documentation from docstrings", which is consistent with my ideas.
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2016-06-22T07:07:10Z jackdaniel: author has worked with Common Lisp recently
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2016-06-22T07:07:21Z beach: Oh, interesting.
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2016-06-22T07:11:38Z beach: jackdaniel: Thanks for this link.  I will cite it whenever someone asks a question about what "document generator" to use.
2016-06-22T07:12:07Z jackdaniel: I've linked it in the last quarterly as well ;-)
2016-06-22T07:14:01Z beach: I should have said "documentation generator" rather than "document generator".
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2016-06-22T07:15:33Z jackdaniel: well, generator may produce a document, not documentation ;)
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2016-06-22T07:30:47Z beach: Yes, that's why I corrected myself. :)
2016-06-22T07:31:57Z jackdaniel: but I think that docstrings are very useful too
2016-06-22T07:32:04Z jackdaniel: as a suplement
2016-06-22T07:32:10Z beach: Of course.
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2016-06-22T07:35:02Z reepca: ... author has had a good meal recently. author has witnessed death recently. author has been disgusted by miasma recently. author has been annoyed by flies. author likes battle axes, idols and demons for their terrifying features. He needs alcohol to get through the working day... :D
2016-06-22T07:35:46Z jackdaniel: hm?
2016-06-22T07:36:07Z reepca: dwarf fortress reference triggered by "author has worked with common lisp recently"
2016-06-22T07:36:31Z jackdaniel: ah
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2016-06-22T07:40:14Z beach: Heh: "Auto-generated documentation is almost worthless."
2016-06-22T07:40:24Z beach: From https://jacobian.org/writing/what-to-write/
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2016-06-22T07:44:22Z jasom: bah (load (merge-pathnames *load-truename* "foo.lisp")) is very different from (load (merge-pathnames "foo.lisp" *load-truename))
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2016-06-22T07:46:19Z jackdaniel: jasom: first parameter "overwrites" revelant part of the second (which is considered a default)
2016-06-22T07:47:04Z jasom: jackdaniel: yeah, I just typed it in wrong, and didn't have the debugger enabled so got a fairly quiet crash
2016-06-22T07:47:11Z jackdaniel: heh
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2016-06-22T12:41:20Z rumbler31: hello #lisp
2016-06-22T12:42:35Z rumbler31: trying to read results from the stream produced by drakma after an http-request, so its a flexi stream.
2016-06-22T12:43:17Z Xach_: rumbler31: ok
2016-06-22T12:43:18Z rumbler31: (read-line...) on the stream in a section I know to contain text returns a string with the CR character in it, in site of me modifying
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2016-06-22T12:43:46Z rumbler31: my implementation's default readline or external-format parameters, i'm on osx with ccl
2016-06-22T12:44:30Z rumbler31: does readline take the expected newline semantics from the stream it reads from, as in, is it a property of the stream returned by flexi-streams
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2016-06-22T12:45:46Z rumbler31: i remember working with this correctly on normal lisp streams before, but i can't seem to effect changes in the way read-line behaves
2016-06-22T12:45:56Z Xach_: I don't know, sorry. I haven't tried to do something like that.
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2016-06-22T12:47:08Z Grue``: try (babel:octets-to-string stream :encoding :something)
2016-06-22T12:48:36Z Grue``: wait, nevermind me
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2016-06-22T12:51:39Z rumbler31: its ok
2016-06-22T12:52:05Z rumbler31: inspecting read-line source now
2016-06-22T12:52:11Z rumbler31: i keep forgetting I can do that
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2016-06-22T12:55:53Z rumbler31: ok new question, how do I lookup a method call on a particular type.
2016-06-22T12:57:14Z moore33: rumbler31: I think you want closer-mop:compute-applicable-methods
2016-06-22T12:57:32Z moore33: rumbler31: Though it's hard to know what you mean :)
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2016-06-22T12:58:02Z Xach_: rumbler31: the method call or the method implementation?
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2016-06-22T12:59:12Z rumbler31: the implementation.  for example, I know in ccl read-line eventually calls out to a method that dispatches on the type of stream being read, but when I go to M-. on that method, the method for what I assume would be flexi-stream
2016-06-22T12:59:23Z rumbler31: isn't present
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2016-06-22T12:59:38Z moore33: Hmm, slime usually shows all the defined methods for a generic function.
2016-06-22T13:00:09Z Xach_: rumbler31: check for ccl:stream-read-line, which is the gray stream protocol participant
2016-06-22T13:00:10Z beach: rumbler31: Methods don't do any dispatch.
2016-06-22T13:00:18Z beach: rumbler31: Generic functions do that.
2016-06-22T13:01:02Z beach: rumbler31: At least if you mean "dispatch" in the sense of CLOS generic dispatch.
2016-06-22T13:01:11Z rumbler31: forgive my ignorance in terms.  yea i've M-. on stream-read-line after loading drakma, an entry for flexi streams isn't present, I guess I'll have to browse the source
2016-06-22T13:01:43Z moore33: rumbler31: You might look on stream-read-char instead.
2016-06-22T13:02:48Z rumbler31: moore33: that did it
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2016-06-22T13:03:45Z moore33: rumbler31: Typical trick: specialize only part of the protocol, rely on the generic bits for the rest :)
2016-06-22T13:04:47Z rumbler31: i could have spent more time looking :sheepish
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2016-06-22T13:08:00Z knobo1: I did not think of string-output-stream as a way to optimize code. More like an abstraction layer.
2016-06-22T13:08:06Z knobo1: Is it optimizing?
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2016-06-22T13:13:12Z rumbler31: the answer to my question appears to be that the newline handling is a property of the stream, or at least in flexi streams, an inner call to a generic (octets-to-char-code dispaches on the external format slot of the stream in question (did I get the terms right this time ? :-)
2016-06-22T13:13:26Z beach: knobo1: It is hard to understand what you are saying.  At least for me.  What kind of optimization are we talking about here?  Execution time?  And compared to what other object type do you think that string-output-stream might be a way to optimize code.
2016-06-22T13:14:31Z beach: rumbler31: I didn't mean to pick on you about terminology.  It was just that the incorrect use of terms made your question very hard to understand.
2016-06-22T13:14:59Z moore33: Hmmm, I wrong in thinking that the arguments to effective-slot-definition-class are pretty worthless? Maybe I'm expecting too much.
2016-06-22T13:15:17Z beach: mop effective-slot-definition-class
2016-06-22T13:15:17Z specbot: http://metamodular.com/CLOS-MOP/effective-slot-definition-class.html
2016-06-22T13:15:22Z rumbler31: beach: understood, so I appreciate the correction
2016-06-22T13:16:10Z beach: moore33: Why do you think that?
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2016-06-22T13:16:29Z moore33: beach: The initargs don't include any custom initargs, which passed to the direct-slot-definition-class. But effective-slot-definition-class doesn't have access to the direct-slot objects.
2016-06-22T13:16:56Z moore33: beach: Because I can't choose an effective slot definition class based on my additional arguments in the slot definition.
2016-06-22T13:17:26Z beach: Let me think.  I am a bit slow as usual...
2016-06-22T13:18:41Z rumbler31: the real question I am trying to figure out is exactly how EOL handling is being done in my particular environment so I can figure out what to change, but I 'll dig a little and come back to this
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2016-06-22T13:19:03Z Xach_: That's not the real question, is it?
2016-06-22T13:19:16Z Xach_: Isn't it "I want to do something with data that comes back from HTTP"?
2016-06-22T13:19:22Z Xach_: This is a side track
2016-06-22T13:19:37Z moore33: Xach_: You sly dog
2016-06-22T13:20:06Z reepca: I'm pretty sure that's a declarative statement, not an interrogative one
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2016-06-22T13:20:49Z eudoxia: good morning #lisp
2016-06-22T13:20:56Z beach: Hello eudoxia.
2016-06-22T13:21:13Z eudoxia: anyone here remember, I think it was Fare, talking about a macro called "bind" that was supposed to reduce the number of levels of indentation in CL code
2016-06-22T13:21:24Z eudoxia: I seem to remember it being in UIOP or ASDF but I can't find it
2016-06-22T13:21:33Z eudoxia: but I'm pretty sure it's called bind
2016-06-22T13:21:33Z beach: moore33: It seems true that you can choose an effective slot definition class based only on the CLASS argument, at least if you are using normal CLOS dispatch.  I am not sure that this fact makes the initargs useless."
2016-06-22T13:21:37Z eudoxia: hello beach
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2016-06-22T13:23:20Z moore33: beach: Well, perhaps I was too hasty; the initargs aren't useless if you want to choose the class based on the standard ones.
2016-06-22T13:23:57Z eudoxia: ahhh I think this is it https://github.com/vseloved/rutils/blob/master/contrib/bind.lisp
2016-06-22T13:24:00Z Xach_: eudoxia: yes, fare has one. ron garrett has one called "bb" that does that too.
2016-06-22T13:24:00Z rumbler31: Xach:  yes, althought I know what I want to do with it.
2016-06-22T13:24:12Z eudoxia: Xach_: thanks!
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2016-06-22T13:25:32Z rumbler31: i'm making an application that sends and receives audio to a moxa network video/audio encoder.  The quickest way I could figure at how to get cross platform access to audio was from javascript
2016-06-22T13:25:43Z Grue``: wasnt there also metabang-bind?
2016-06-22T13:26:13Z Xach_: rumbler31: Do you need to use read-line? Could you read the whole response instead?
2016-06-22T13:26:22Z rumbler31: so i have enough javascript set up to record audio and send it over a websocket to the lisp image, do some conversions and then drakma will take care of the rest
2016-06-22T13:26:33Z Xach_: Ah
2016-06-22T13:26:41Z rumbler31: fetching audio comes back as a multipart-mixed
2016-06-22T13:27:30Z rumbler31: so as drakma hands the data to the application, its the boundary and text headers, then the actual data, so I unfortunately have to discard the text then provide the binary up to the application
2016-06-22T13:27:44Z beach: moore33: So it seems to me that for the initargs to influence the return value, a particular method would have to inspect the initargs, and do some "manual dispatch" on them.  Does that seem right?
2016-06-22T13:27:56Z Xach_: If I were doing that, I would probably read everything as binary and look for boundaries as binary patterns.
2016-06-22T13:28:03Z Xach_: (mostly to avoid thinking about text conversion)
2016-06-22T13:28:16Z moore33: beach: Yes.
2016-06-22T13:28:26Z beach: moore33: OK, then we agree.
2016-06-22T13:28:46Z rumbler31: so i could do manual read-byte calls and make sure i've read two clrf's and then pass the rest out, but i've had this problem with newlines before and I figured i'd like to get a handle on it so the code can become a few simple readline calls
2016-06-22T13:29:03Z rumbler31: xach:  exactly what I can fallback too.  but I imagine that with flexi streams I can switch its type from a text to binary when I know to expect the transition?
2016-06-22T13:29:20Z Xach_: rumbler31: too hairy for my tastes
2016-06-22T13:29:24Z rumbler31: while clever, perhaps i'll leave that all for another day and do the read-byte approach
2016-06-22T13:29:45Z Xach_: rumbler31: read-sequence will get bigger chunks at a time. one issue is checking for a pattern across chunk boundaries.
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2016-06-22T14:05:28Z scymtym: minion: memo for eudoxia: IIRC Fare actually expressed his dislike for this kind of binding constructs and instead advocates a NEST macro that does nothing besides nesting an unnested list of binding constructs (maybe this https://github.com/fare/asdf/blob/master/uiop/utility.lisp#L121, but i'm not sure)
2016-06-22T14:05:29Z minion: Remembered. I'll tell eudoxia when he/she/it next speaks.
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2016-06-22T14:27:06Z knobo1: Actually I would not know other ways of doing it. Someone just said that it was a way of optimizing in lisp, instead of allocating large memory hunks to concatinate strings.
2016-06-22T14:27:51Z beach: knobo1: Hard to know which is best.  It depends a lot on the implementation.  My guess would be that if the strings to concatenate are long, then concatenating them would be faster, because output to a string stream could very well re-allocate some underlying buffer several times.
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2016-06-22T14:29:06Z beach: knobo1: Another way would be to compute the sum of the lengths of the individual strings, and then use REPLACE to move the contents to a single string with the combined length.
2016-06-22T14:29:19Z beach: clhs replace
2016-06-22T14:29:19Z specbot: http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_replac.htm
2016-06-22T14:29:55Z beach: knobo1: With that technique you only allocate the resulting string once.
2016-06-22T14:30:04Z knobo1: right.
2016-06-22T14:30:15Z knobo1: One could make a macro that would do that too.
2016-06-22T14:30:31Z beach: A function would do fine.
2016-06-22T14:30:35Z beach: No macro needed.
2016-06-22T14:30:38Z Grue``: does any implementation use Rope data structure to optimize concatenation?
2016-06-22T14:30:58Z knobo1: Collecting the strings in to a list, then before exit, compute requires space.
2016-06-22T14:31:09Z knobo1: Yes, or a function.
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2016-06-22T14:32:27Z knobo1: or something like that.
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2016-06-22T14:59:37Z Xach_ needs to start making github issues from the repl, too
2016-06-22T14:59:55Z phoe_work: Xach_: this is tempting
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2016-06-22T15:03:04Z beach: jackdaniel: In Cleavir, I added a comment to the file named context.lisp speculating about how we might handle optimize qualities and other compilation flags in the future.
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2016-06-22T15:39:07Z beach: jackdaniel: I submitted comments to possible design for optimize qualities here around 24 hours ago, but got very little return.  I think what I will do is write a section in the Cleavir documentation about my current thinking, and then submit it for review here.  That might work better.
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2016-06-22T15:40:01Z jackdaniel: I've read it, but had nothing smart to say really :)
2016-06-22T15:40:46Z beach: Those things are hard to come up with, and even harder to criticize.  So don't feel bad.  In the end, I might just have to try implementing the idea and see how it turns out.
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2016-06-22T19:36:14Z porky11: hi
2016-06-22T19:37:18Z oleo: hello
2016-06-22T19:38:19Z porky11: is `(compiler-let ((var ,val)) ,@body) the same as (let ((var val)) `(progn ,@body))
2016-06-22T19:39:49Z oleo: synactically similar you mean ?
2016-06-22T19:40:18Z porky11: no semantically equal
2016-06-22T19:41:09Z oleo: ➒
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2016-06-22T19:41:26Z oleo: i suppose compiler-let is only for the compilation phase.....
2016-06-22T19:41:45Z oleo: that makes it semantically distinct.....
2016-06-22T19:42:17Z porky11: no wait, it would be (let ((var val)) (declare (special var)) `(progn ,@body)) that would do the same as compiler-let I think
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2016-06-22T20:48:05Z knobo1: Is there a function to convert an absolute path to relative path?
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2016-06-22T20:58:54Z phoe_krk: I just realized that the more parens I have at the end of my function, the deeper it is.
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2016-06-22T20:59:25Z phoe_krk: It's, uh, trivial, to say the least, but that allows for some eye-level analysis what to refactor first.
2016-06-22T20:59:45Z pjb: knobol: (defun relativize (p) (make-pathname :directory (cons :relative (cdr (pathname-directory p))) :defaults p))
2016-06-22T21:01:22Z eudoxia: scymtym: thank you! nest! that's what it's called
2016-06-22T21:01:22Z minion: eudoxia, memo from scymtym: IIRC Fare actually expressed his dislike for this kind of binding constructs and instead advocates a NEST macro that does nothing besides nesting an unnested list of binding constructs (maybe this https://github.com/fare/asdf/blob/master/uiop/utility.lisp#L121, but i'm not sure)
2016-06-22T21:01:33Z eudoxia: yeah thanks to you too minion
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2016-06-22T21:08:46Z emaczen``: mordocai: Yeah, I didn't include all of my packages in the paste...
2016-06-22T21:09:14Z emaczen``: mordocai: You should try cocoa with CCL I really enjoy it.
2016-06-22T21:11:05Z knobo1: pjb: yes.
2016-06-22T21:11:26Z mordocai: emaczen``: Well, if you can setup it up where I can easily "just run" it then I'll try it on my mac and let you know if it works. My mac runs El Capitan.
2016-06-22T21:12:41Z emaczen``: mordocai: Can I send you the .app bundle?
2016-06-22T21:13:31Z mordocai: emaczen``: Sure. I'll message you my email.
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2016-06-22T21:25:09Z phoe_krk: I'm processing lamda lists now. How can I filter all the &something symbols so only variable names are left?
2016-06-22T21:25:20Z phoe_krk: I mean, is there any way I should be using?
2016-06-22T21:25:52Z phoe_krk: Also, there are no default values, the lambda list is completely flat.
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2016-06-22T21:27:44Z scymtym: phoe_krk: alexandria has PARSE-ORDINARY-LAMBDA-LIST
2016-06-22T21:28:24Z phoe_krk: scymtym: thanks, just what I needed.
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2016-06-22T21:32:23Z mordocai: I'm thinking of starting a lisp meetup in St. Louis and am trying to gauge interest. Anyone near STL and would attend a Lisp meetup(would be for all langs in the "lisp family")?
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2016-06-22T21:34:09Z jasom: I'll be driving throgh st. louis around 7/6 this year.
2016-06-22T21:34:56Z jasom: going from Lawrence KS to Lafayette IN
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2016-06-22T21:38:07Z mordocai: jasom: Probably wouldn't be up and running that soon but I'll make sure you get the memo if it is.
2016-06-22T21:38:29Z mordocai: emaczen``: I received your email btw. Will look at it shortly.
2016-06-22T21:39:39Z jasom: mordocai: I figured
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2016-06-22T21:40:31Z phoe_krk: I'm really having my fun when I'm writing macros
2016-06-22T21:40:58Z phoe_krk: Even if they end up being pretty much useless, I really enjoy the insight I gain along the way
2016-06-22T21:42:26Z Puercopop: phoe_krk: trivia con also handle lambda-lists
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2016-06-22T22:09:47Z emaczen``: mordocai: Have you replied? I haven't setup ZNC yet :(
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2016-06-22T22:21:39Z mordocai: emaczen``: Just to say that I got it. I haven't had time to look at it yet (working)
2016-06-22T22:22:11Z emaczen``: no worries, I'm setting up ZNC. I just didn't want ot miss it.
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2016-06-23T03:43:23Z beach: Good morning everyone!
2016-06-23T03:44:58Z akkad: hi beach
2016-06-23T03:46:32Z beach: oleo: You should have told porky11 that there is no COMPILER-LET in Common Lisp.
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2016-06-23T04:26:30Z alchmzt: i was looking at eudoxia's lmdb article
2016-06-23T04:27:50Z alchmzt: a great demonstration of using a macro to condense a bunch of code into a simple function
2016-06-23T04:28:58Z alchmzt: http://eudoxia.me/article/lmdb-from-common-lisp
2016-06-23T04:29:20Z alchmzt: any more practical articles on macro use like that?
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2016-06-23T04:32:43Z loke: alchmzt: Well, that stuff is pretty standard.
2016-06-23T04:33:13Z loke: Seems like eudoxia didn't know about cl-conspack
2016-06-23T04:33:20Z alchmzt: i know it's standard, but i guess what i mean to say is that it's a practical use case
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2016-06-23T04:33:53Z alchmzt: or if there's any codebases that make heavy use of macros that are worth reading
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2016-06-23T09:06:00Z p_l: loke: or the point of exercise wasn't "how to use serialization libs" ;)
2016-06-23T09:06:32Z loke: p_l: Right, but he made a point of suggesting that he had to make his own. That's what indicated that perhaps he didn't know of alternatives.
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2016-06-23T10:09:06Z MinnowTaur: Hello everyone, I'm working with Lisp again, with the idea of releasing some projects on github
2016-06-23T10:09:34Z MinnowTaur: as happens, I'm cleaning up the code wondering what i was thinking way back when
2016-06-23T10:10:15Z MinnowTaur: something that would be really helpful would be if sldb-show-source worked in Slime
2016-06-23T10:10:55Z MinnowTaur: sadly I have never had this working, but oh so helpful it would be, to hit 'v'
2016-06-23T10:12:27Z MinnowTaur: Does anyone know if I have to do something special to get this to work in Slime?
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2016-06-23T10:22:09Z shka: MinnowTaur: it may not work on your lisp implementation
2016-06-23T10:22:17Z MinnowTaur: sbcl
2016-06-23T10:22:26Z MinnowTaur: does it work there?
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2016-06-23T10:57:04Z Xach_: MinnowTaur: it has always worked for me. what happens when you try?
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2016-06-23T13:13:11Z peey: When I provide a reader for a condition  e.g. (define-condition malformed-log-entry-error (error)   ((text :initarg :text :reader text))), what's happening? Is a generic function being created using the symbol "text"? Will I have to ensure that name of my reader does not clash with symbols associated with macros and functions?
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2016-06-23T13:15:48Z Xach_: peey: it is not specified if the reader will be a GF or not. it usually is. but because it's not guaranteed, sometimes people try to give it a unique name to avoid clashes with other functions and generic functions.
2016-06-23T13:16:24Z Xach_: e.g. by prefixing it with the condition type name
2016-06-23T13:16:29Z peey: That helps. Thanks!
2016-06-23T13:19:23Z moore33: Conditions were brought into the standard at a time when implementors were wary of requiring CLOS for significant functionality.
2016-06-23T13:19:36Z moore33: They sort of got over it.
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2016-06-23T13:33:00Z lieven: I think at that point it wasn't yet a done deal whether CLOS would be included in the final standard
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2016-06-23T15:26:29Z dim: do anyone here know about a GraphQL implementation in CL?
2016-06-23T15:30:07Z Xach_: jackdaniel: http://report.quicklisp.org/2016-06-22/failure-report/mcclim.html
2016-06-23T15:31:30Z jackdaniel: Xach_: ack, thanks
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2016-06-23T15:46:20Z jackdaniel: Xach_: https://github.com/robert-strandh/McCLIM/pull/42 (will get merged today probably)
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2016-06-23T15:47:36Z jackdaniel: oh, a very fine number for a pull request :-)
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2016-06-23T17:07:08Z emaczen: minion: memo for mordocai: I figured out my issue with ccl portability
2016-06-23T17:07:09Z minion: Remembered. I'll tell mordocai when he/she/it next speaks.
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2016-06-23T17:10:09Z MinnowTaur: Xach_: I updated Slime using melpa, 'v' seems to work now, but of course its not as helpful as I thought it would be :)
2016-06-23T17:11:17Z MinnowTaur: Xach_: I was hoping 'v' would point me to the offending code in the source file I'm working on, instead it points me to sbcl internals.  Such is life!
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2016-06-23T17:13:24Z MinnowTaur: Xach_: Those internals responsible for compiling the code I'm writing.  Perhaps I'm not using 'v' correctly.
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2016-06-23T17:18:12Z Xach_: MinnowTaur: in my experience, if i am on the right frame, it will jump to the right place in my own code.
2016-06-23T17:18:21Z Xach_: MinnowTaur: but it does not work if you are on the frame of something internal
2016-06-23T17:18:29Z Xach_: or rather, it works, but is not useful
2016-06-23T17:19:04Z MinnowTaur: Xach_ how do you identify the right frame?  Is there a particular string you look for?  I'm guessing its not commonly the top frame
2016-06-23T17:19:08Z Grue``: what always works is pressing M-. when your cursor is at a relevant symbol
2016-06-23T17:21:58Z Xach_: MinnowTaur: I look at the frame that has a function of my own
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2016-06-23T17:23:25Z Grue``: seems like 'v' always jumps to the beginning of the function, so it won't jump at the place in the code where the error happened
2016-06-23T17:23:49Z Grue``: so it's basically identical to M-. method
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2016-06-23T17:24:06Z MinnowTaur: Grue`` If I could get 'v' to jump to my function instead of sbcl internals that would be something
2016-06-23T17:24:09Z Grue``: except maybe for generic functions
2016-06-23T17:24:35Z MinnowTaur: Grue``: however I have 80 frames on the stack, so finding the magic one I've not as of yet
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2016-06-23T17:28:07Z MinnowTaur: Xach_: So i go through the frames, but every single sldb frame is from a sbcl internal
2016-06-23T17:28:24Z Grue``: there seems to be another limitation, if your calling a generic function, it gets compiled to sb-pcl:fast-method and you're screwed
2016-06-23T17:29:27Z Xach_: Grue``: no, when you are compiled with high debug, you jump to a more specific form
2016-06-23T17:29:42Z Xach_: Grue``: and you can recompile a function with high debug from sldb (and elsewhere) with C-u C-c C-c
2016-06-23T17:29:54Z MinnowTaur: Grue``:  I think there is a hotkey to recompile with full debug that might get around that.
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2016-06-23T17:31:45Z MinnowTaur: Xach_: My apologies for not working smarter, its been awhile.
2016-06-23T17:32:20Z Xach_: I don't work that way, but I would be surprised if it broke jumping from sldb
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2016-06-23T17:33:26Z MinnowTaur: Xach_: I think everything gets optimized out into fasl files, then maybe 'v' doesn't work so well.
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2016-06-23T17:34:06Z mood: Compiling with high debug should prevent that from happening
2016-06-23T17:34:47Z mood: To enforce high debug, put (sb-ext:restrict-compiler-policy 'debug 3) in your .sbclrc
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2016-06-23T17:38:17Z MinnowTaur: I do a fair bit of coding in other languages, java, python, julia, c, prolog etc
2016-06-23T17:39:10Z MinnowTaur: In every language, I can use google to find what I need.  However so much knowledge of Lisp is only really available here.  Thanks for you help!
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2016-06-23T17:53:49Z MinnowTaur: Ok, here is a problem I'm having with the way I have been doing method names, perhaps I'm doing it wrong
2016-06-23T17:54:11Z MinnowTaur: I have two classes, each with an initialize method
2016-06-23T17:54:56Z MinnowTaur: I now need to use both of these classes in a third class, so in the defpackage definition of the third class, I :use each of these classes
2016-06-23T17:55:15Z MinnowTaur: but of course I get a name conflict for initialize
2016-06-23T17:55:53Z MinnowTaur: My old code I just used different names for the functions, prepended with the class names, like bb-initialize for example
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2016-06-23T17:56:36Z MinnowTaur: but I feel since initialize is a method specialized by a class, I should be able to use the same name
2016-06-23T17:56:37Z jasom: MinnowTaur: you need to ensure that if you will be using two methods interchangably that they have the same name
2016-06-23T17:56:38Z Xach_: MinnowTaur: a class does not "have" a mehtod
2016-06-23T17:57:07Z Xach_: A generic function has a method. The generic function defines the semantics. methods define a fragment of the implementation of those semantics.
2016-06-23T17:57:07Z jasom: MinnowTaur: right now they have different names, which is bad
2016-06-23T17:58:01Z jasom: MinnowTaur: specifically for initialization, cl:initialize-instance is used, and since most packages will have that symbol present there isn't an issue
2016-06-23T17:58:04Z MinnowTaur: right so I tried defgeneric in a fourth file, which is used by everyone
2016-06-23T17:58:44Z MinnowTaur: but I still get the error
2016-06-23T17:58:48Z jasom: brb
2016-06-23T17:59:25Z MinnowTaur: each of my two classes :uses another file with the defgeneric for initialize
2016-06-23T17:59:28Z Xach_: MinnowTaur: Managing name conflicts is pretty straightforward. You have to decide which package's symbol you want to use without the prefix. (or if you want to use the prefix for both)
2016-06-23T18:00:28Z Xach_: If you have A:INITIALIZE and B:INITIALIZE, in C, you use shadowing-import-from one or the other, or SHADOW to import neither (meaning there's a new symbol C::INITIALIZE which is neither A:INITIALIZE nor B:INITIALIZE)
2016-06-23T18:00:45Z Xach_: that is a semi-separate issue from using generic functions and methods right
2016-06-23T18:01:07Z MinnowTaur: Xach_: I was hoping to create A:initialize and B:initialize as different specializations of a generic function
2016-06-23T18:01:47Z MinnowTaur: Xach_: that way I can :use both with having to shadow one
2016-06-23T18:02:02Z Xach_: MinnowTaur: a generic function has a single name. methods must refer to that name to become part of it.
2016-06-23T18:02:30Z MinnowTaur: Xach_: and let the generic machinery figure out which to call by the class type
2016-06-23T18:02:53Z Xach_: If it is named X:INITIALIZE, and you want to specialize on class A, you do (defmethod x:initialize ((object a)) ...) and (defmethod x:initialize ((object b)) ...)
2016-06-23T18:03:13Z Xach_: here A and B name classes, not packages as before
2016-06-23T18:03:58Z MinnowTaur: Xach_: I think I see, X:INITIALIZE in your example, X is a different package from the class package
2016-06-23T18:04:35Z Xach_: MinnowTaur: yes.
2016-06-23T18:05:15Z MinnowTaur: I do have the defgeneric in a different package than the classes' respective initialize functions
2016-06-23T18:05:17Z Xach_: But it could be part of one class's package, and the second class, in another package, could still define a method that specializes on its own class.
2016-06-23T18:05:44Z Xach_: MinnowTaur: then they are not becoming part of that initialize GF
2016-06-23T18:05:56Z MinnowTaur: I see
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2016-06-23T18:06:22Z MinnowTaur: another way to do it would be to create a base class with the defgeneric and have them derive from it
2016-06-23T18:06:30Z MinnowTaur: but I dislike too many classes
2016-06-23T18:06:57Z MinnowTaur: I prefer to have as flat a hierarchy as possible
2016-06-23T18:07:09Z MinnowTaur: let me try your suggestion
2016-06-23T18:07:13Z Xach_: MinnowTaur: it really helps to *not* think of the generic function as being part of a class
2016-06-23T18:07:31Z Xach_: MinnowTaur: it is part of a protocol, and you can use classes to participate in that protocol.
2016-06-23T18:07:49Z Xach_: with defclass helpfully automagically defining methods within that protocol, if you like
2016-06-23T18:07:50Z Grue``: in CL tree hierarchy is not much of a problem
2016-06-23T18:08:19Z MinnowTaur: Thats why I put it in its own package file and just :use it where needed :)  the bit I was missing was when defmethod in another package to qualify the initialize with its defgeneric package location
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2016-06-23T18:12:34Z jasom: also symbols belong to packages, not files
2016-06-23T18:12:59Z MinnowTaur: Excellent!  That worked
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2016-06-23T18:13:33Z MinnowTaur: I guess I'm too used to name mangling in other languages, but now I got it
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2016-06-23T18:14:33Z jasom: MinnowTaur: most things in lisp are named by symbols, not strings
2016-06-23T18:14:56Z jasom: a package gives you a way to lookup a symbol with a string, and the lisp reader does this for you.
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2016-06-23T21:02:36Z fourier: is where anything in CL like memcpy? to copy bytes from one seq to another effectively
2016-06-23T21:03:18Z fourier: and of course it is known what both sequences are arrays of (unsigned-byte 8)
2016-06-23T21:05:09Z Puercopop: fourier: subseq?
2016-06-23T21:05:46Z oGMo: replace
2016-06-23T21:06:13Z Xach_: fourier: replace is it
2016-06-23T21:06:46Z fourier: Puercopop: subseq creates a new instance, but I have a destination byte array already
2016-06-23T21:07:13Z shka: there is also map-into
2016-06-23T21:08:23Z Puercopop: fourier: right, subseq doesn't help there
2016-06-23T21:08:52Z fourier: thanks oGMo and Xach_ , looks like replace is what i was looking for
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2016-06-23T21:10:01Z fourier: shka: it doesn't allow to specify the position where to put bytes from another seq, but thanks, never seen this function before :)
2016-06-23T21:10:21Z shka: oh, it is not a problem in arrays
2016-06-23T21:10:28Z shka: you can simply create displaced array
2016-06-23T21:10:41Z shka: but that's probabbly annoying
2016-06-23T21:10:59Z fourier: shka: how? I was looking for array view and didn't find anything useful
2016-06-23T21:11:44Z shka: with make-array
2016-06-23T21:11:52Z shka: let me paste you a snippet
2016-06-23T21:12:28Z shka: http://pastebin.com/Zdyg96e0
2016-06-23T21:12:30Z shka: here
2016-06-23T21:13:16Z shka: displaced arrays are kinda tricky since they are not simple-arrays
2016-06-23T21:13:36Z shka: but you can get used to it
2016-06-23T21:14:22Z oGMo: note that map-into is going to iterate each element and replace does not necessarily (and doesn't in SBCL afaik)
2016-06-23T21:14:41Z shka: in your case, just stick to replace
2016-06-23T21:14:50Z shka: it does exactly what you need as it seems
2016-06-23T21:14:57Z oGMo: you'd possibly get better performance from replace then map, but
2016-06-23T21:15:07Z oGMo: displaced arrays are great though
2016-06-23T21:15:10Z fourier: wow cool about displaced-arrays, just played around it a little
2016-06-23T21:15:30Z shka: yeah, those are usefull
2016-06-23T21:15:42Z shka: but need to be handled with care
2016-06-23T21:16:02Z fourier: for this particular case replace does the trick, but for others I have to revisit my code and see if I can use displaced arrays instead.
2016-06-23T21:16:03Z oGMo: especially since you can "roll up" or "flatten" another array in place
2016-06-23T21:16:19Z shka: fourier: have fun!
2016-06-23T21:16:21Z shka: :-)
2016-06-23T21:16:38Z fourier: shka: :)
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2016-06-23T21:41:50Z |3b|`: displaced arrays are usually not the answer for questions involving performance. Since the implementation needs to handle arbitrary nesting of displaced arrays, they tend to be on the slow path :(
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2016-06-24T03:43:46Z alchmzt: noob question
2016-06-24T03:43:54Z alchmzt: if i'm (in-package blah)
2016-06-24T03:44:06Z alchmzt: how do i call (parse-number/float/etc ..)
2016-06-24T03:44:50Z alchmzt: showing as the function BLAH::PARSE-NUMBER is undefined
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2016-06-24T03:53:39Z loke: alchmzt: Because you probably wanted PARSE-INTEGER?
2016-06-24T03:53:56Z loke: CL doesn't have a PARSE-NUMBER function.
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2016-06-24T03:55:17Z alchmzt: i'm sure i saw parse-number and parse-float floating around
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2016-06-24T03:55:32Z loke: alchmzt: There is a separate library in QL that provides them
2016-06-24T03:55:46Z alchmzt: ahh
2016-06-24T03:56:01Z alchmzt: is there a trick to tracking down where a particular symbol came from?
2016-06-24T03:56:01Z loke: It's called, surprisingly enough, "parse-number"
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2016-06-24T03:56:15Z loke: alchmzt: In what context?
2016-06-24T03:56:18Z loke: In SLIME?
2016-06-24T03:56:25Z alchmzt: in sbcl repl in this case
2016-06-24T03:56:57Z loke: alchmzt: Yes, but I've never had the need for that. Then again, I never import any symbols, so anything not in the lcoal package is always prefixed.
2016-06-24T03:57:10Z alchmzt: ok
2016-06-24T03:57:18Z loke: But, you can always call: (SYMBOL-PACKAGE 'CAR) for example.
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2016-06-24T03:58:01Z alchmzt: ok cool
2016-06-24T03:58:05Z alchmzt: thanks loke
2016-06-24T03:58:57Z pmc: Has the Arc programming language been abandoned by its creators?  (is this offtopic in a #Lisp forum?)
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2016-06-24T04:00:03Z loke: pmc: Well, it's somewhat offtopic. But more importantly I don't think many people here really care about it.
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2016-06-24T04:00:27Z pmc: loke, ah, ok
2016-06-24T04:00:45Z loke: You'll probably find more luck in #scheme
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2016-06-24T04:01:31Z alchmzt: pmc: i think the only discussions you'll find on it these days ins in the hacker news forums whenever a lisp discussion pops up
2016-06-24T04:01:49Z alchmzt: everything i've seen about it seems to point to yes, it's abandoned
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2016-06-24T04:51:48Z beach: Good morning everyone!
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2016-06-24T06:29:17Z John[Lisbeth]: Is there a PCL for reading inside of texinfo?
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2016-06-24T06:29:53Z jackdaniel: no
2016-06-24T06:30:42Z John[Lisbeth]: This vexes me
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2016-06-24T06:31:16Z jackdaniel: poor you
2016-06-24T06:32:30Z John[Lisbeth]: Maybe I can write some elisp that will disguise the html page inside of texinfo
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2016-06-24T06:40:38Z jasom: alchmzt: something also useful, if you know a symbols name, but can't find the symbol itself is apropos (e.g.  (apropos "QUICKLOAD") )
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2016-06-24T08:18:07Z jasom: okay, is there *really* no way to give asdf a list of .asd files that you want it to search for (other than just using asdf:load-asdf)?
2016-06-24T08:18:58Z jackdaniel: what's wrong with load-asd ?
2016-06-24T08:19:15Z jasom: jackdaniel: nothing other than the fact that the docs try to discourage it
2016-06-24T08:20:38Z jackdaniel: does they?
2016-06-24T08:20:53Z jackdaniel: s/does/do/
2016-06-24T08:21:32Z jackdaniel: from what I remember it is proposed and using raw "load" is discouraged
2016-06-24T08:21:51Z jasom: something like "if you *really* have to load it manually then at least use load-asd"
2016-06-24T08:23:05Z jackdaniel: well, and you *really* want to give it a list of asd files instead of configuring the source-registry, right?
2016-06-24T08:23:11Z jackdaniel: sounds like a right fit :)
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2016-06-24T08:41:27Z jasom: doh! the asdf shipping with quicklisp doesn't seem to have load-asd
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2016-06-24T09:07:15Z hjudt: with (loop for i in (list '(1 2 3 4 5)) by #'cddr collect i) i can loop over every odd element of the list. how can i loop over every even element, or every third etc.?
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2016-06-24T09:09:45Z jasom: (loop for i in (cdr '(1 2 3 4 5)) by #'cddr ...) for the even elements (basically loop over the odd elements of the cdr of the list)
2016-06-24T09:10:00Z jasom: every third would be #'cdddr &ct.
2016-06-24T09:11:12Z jackdaniel: by #'(lambda (lst) (nthcdr ,n lst))
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2016-06-24T09:23:09Z hjudt: (loop for i in '(1 2 3 4 5 6) by #'(lambda (lst) (nthcdr 2 lst)) collect i) => (1 3 5) but i need (2 4 6)
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2016-06-24T09:24:35Z jackdaniel: if you want to start from the second element, than say it
2016-06-24T09:24:45Z hjudt: note also that it is not about the values (so evenp or oddp will not work because my list items are not numbers) but about the positions
2016-06-24T09:24:47Z jackdaniel: (loop for i in (cdr '(1 2 3 4 5 6)) …)
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2016-06-24T09:26:18Z hjudt: ah yes, that works perfectly. thanks!
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2016-06-24T10:58:24Z lionrouge: hi !
2016-06-24T10:58:33Z lionrouge: got my PCL book yesterday :)
2016-06-24T10:59:00Z lionrouge: i have a question: what are the best ways to create GUI apps with LISP ?
2016-06-24T10:59:08Z lionrouge: preferrably cross-platform
2016-06-24T10:59:57Z jackdaniel: lionrouge: ltk (tk dependent), commonqt (qt dependent), qtools (qt dependent)
2016-06-24T11:00:12Z jackdaniel: there is also a pending work on McCLIM, but its not truthly cross-platform yet
2016-06-24T11:00:51Z lionrouge: ok, thanks
2016-06-24T11:00:59Z jackdaniel: if you have LW, you may go fro CAPI, while if Allegro, you may go with clim2
2016-06-24T11:01:05Z jackdaniel: s/fro/for/
2016-06-24T11:01:20Z lionrouge: are these some proprietary tools?
2016-06-24T11:01:39Z jackdaniel: LispWorks Common Lisp and Allegro Common Lisp are a proprietary Common Lisp implementations
2016-06-24T11:01:44Z jackdaniel: which serve the mentioned tools
2016-06-24T11:02:00Z jackdaniel: clim2 was recently opensourced, but isn't ported yet for anything else than ACL
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2016-06-24T11:03:19Z jackdaniel: also many people would advise you just serving a webapp, where Common Lisp has more native tools to offer
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2016-06-24T15:55:41Z phoe_krk: How do I properly use the CLOSER-MOP package?
2016-06-24T15:56:08Z jackdaniel: phoe_krk: you use package closer-mop-user
2016-06-24T15:56:19Z jackdaniel: it's basically cl-user with patched defmethod etc
2016-06-24T15:56:33Z jackdaniel: when you want access mop, you use c2mop package
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2016-06-24T16:00:10Z moore33: jackdaniel: You don't necessarily have to use closer-mop:defmethod, do you? Perhaps for total portability...
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2016-06-24T16:02:08Z jackdaniel: moore33: I don't know, that's what Pascal Costanza advised me to do
2016-06-24T16:02:13Z jackdaniel: didn't inquire
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2016-06-24T16:03:30Z jackdaniel: moore33: but is it any problem with using closer-mop-user instead of cl-user?
2016-06-24T16:03:45Z jackdaniel: :closer-common-lisp-user °
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2016-06-24T16:04:33Z jackdaniel: moore33: I've digged an e-mail: http://ix.io/WyB
2016-06-24T16:04:36Z moore33: jackdaniel: Well, I'm doing mop programming in a package that doesn't use cl-user! I wasn't planning on using closer-mop either.
2016-06-24T16:05:03Z jackdaniel: you may shadowing-import or use closer-common-lisp
2016-06-24T16:06:02Z moore33: But I see that he's rewritten defmethod to more closely follow the MOP. In any event, it doesn't matter for me, cuz I don't care about the behavior of defmethod.
2016-06-24T16:06:51Z jackdaniel: moore33: but you don't have a guarantee, that c2mop will work with native defmethod (it probably will except some hard to debug situations)
2016-06-24T16:08:20Z moore33: jackdaniel: Like I said, I don't care. I'm hooking into the class definition part of the MOP, and making my own methods using closer-mop:ensure-method.
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2016-06-24T18:43:19Z phoe_krk: Is there any sort of WITH-TEMPORARY-PACKAGE macro?
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2016-06-24T18:43:38Z phoe_krk: I'm sort of failing at writing one myself so I want to look at already existing solutions, if there are any.
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2016-06-24T18:44:39Z Xach_: phoe_krk: I don't think I've seen one like that before
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2016-06-24T18:46:04Z jasom: phoe_krk: I wrote one once and couldn't find one
2016-06-24T18:46:52Z phoe_krk: Xach_: http://paste.lisp.org/display/319133 This doesn't work.
2016-06-24T18:47:00Z phoe_krk: And I don't know why.
2016-06-24T18:47:13Z phoe_krk: The macroexpand-1 doesn't show anything that would be weird.
2016-06-24T18:47:16Z jasom: because the package won't exist when the body is read
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2016-06-24T18:47:32Z phoe_krk: jasom: What do you mean?
2016-06-24T18:47:55Z phoe_krk: This gives me an unbound variable error.
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2016-06-24T18:48:11Z phoe_krk: Which is, uh, weird.
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2016-06-24T18:48:25Z phoe_krk: I don't expect such an error here.
2016-06-24T18:49:08Z pierpa: also, I'd add an unwind-protect
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2016-06-24T18:50:12Z phoe_krk: oh.
2016-06-24T18:50:14Z phoe_krk: OH.
2016-06-24T18:50:33Z phoe_krk: I'm silly.
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2016-06-24T18:50:58Z phoe_krk: I've annotated it.
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2016-06-24T18:52:17Z phoe_krk: Five points for the first person who can pinpoint the difference without using a diff.
2016-06-24T18:52:27Z jasom: ',package-name
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2016-06-24T18:53:57Z Arathnim: Normal quoting in quasi-quoting is always a little weird to me. Takes a second to work out what's being evaluated.
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2016-06-24T18:54:17Z phoe_krk: Arathnim: it's actually fairly simple. Everything past the , gets evaluated.
2016-06-24T18:54:41Z phoe_krk: But - it takes a moment to get it to stay inside your visual memory.
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2016-06-24T19:00:17Z phoe_krk: So, uhh.
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2016-06-24T19:00:36Z phoe_krk: Back in the day I pinpointed three dangers when using the Lisp reader to process untrusted input, right?
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2016-06-24T19:00:46Z phoe_krk: First - #. and friends.
2016-06-24T19:00:51Z phoe_krk: Second - internbombing.
2016-06-24T19:00:56Z phoe_krk: Third - input size.
2016-06-24T19:01:17Z phoe_krk: I have the first two solved.
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2016-06-24T19:02:24Z phoe_krk: Oh, and fourth - : to access chars from other packages.
2016-06-24T19:03:13Z phoe_krk: This one's still to be done.
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2016-06-24T19:12:16Z phoe_krk: Uhh. Does setting #\: as a macro character actually work?
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2016-06-24T19:15:02Z phoe_krk: http://paste.lisp.org/display/319134 <- it's weird.
2016-06-24T19:15:17Z phoe_krk: When I read CL:CAR using this readtable, I actually get the symbol CL.
2016-06-24T19:15:32Z phoe_krk: When I read (CL:CAR CL:CDR), the condition gets raised.
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2016-06-24T19:17:18Z phoe_krk: The good thing is, thanks to the way I read, I get a symbol that is not interned. So maybe I'll just make do with it.
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2016-06-24T19:20:29Z phoe_krk: https://github.com/phoe-krk/gateway/blob/master/impl/server/connection.lisp <- woah.
2016-06-24T19:20:30Z pjb: phoe_krk: (let ((*package* (find-package "YOUR-PACKAGE))) …) is your with-temporary-package.  Do you really need a macro for that?
2016-06-24T19:21:21Z phoe_krk: pjb: yes, if I want not to intern my symbols anywhere as they are read by the standard Lisp reader.
2016-06-24T19:21:43Z pjb: phoe_krk: oh, you mean |WITH-(TEMPORARY-PACKAGE), not |(WITH-TEMPORARILY)-PACKAGE|. Sorry.
2016-06-24T19:22:04Z phoe_krk: If I create a package, jump into it, read some symbols, then jump out of the package and delete the package, then there is no namespace pollution.
2016-06-24T19:22:10Z phoe_krk: Which prevents me from internbombing.
2016-06-24T19:22:12Z phoe_krk: pjb: no problem~
2016-06-24T19:22:19Z pjb: Yes.
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2016-06-24T19:22:50Z pjb: Now, gensym doesn't guarantee a unique package name.
2016-06-24T19:23:10Z pjb: You could have a very important package named G1042, and a *gensym-counter* bound to 1041…
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2016-06-24T19:23:27Z pjb: phoe_krk: cf. mkupack
2016-06-24T19:23:48Z phoe_krk: pjb: I know, that's why I stuffed a local-time's (now) in there.
2016-06-24T19:24:00Z phoe_krk: https://github.com/phoe-krk/gateway/blob/master/impl/server/connection.lisp#L143
2016-06-24T19:24:11Z pjb: basically: (loop :for i :from 1 :for p = (format nil "USER~A" i) :while (find-package p) :finally (return p))
2016-06-24T19:24:20Z pjb: not thread safe, but good enough.
2016-06-24T19:24:40Z pjb: phoe_krk: some local times are forbidden by law! :-)
2016-06-24T19:24:41Z phoe_krk: pjb: #<COMMON-LISP:PACKAGE "TEMP-PKG-@2016-06-24T21:24:10.346339+02:00-886">
2016-06-24T19:24:51Z phoe_krk: pjb: I don't care about that :P
2016-06-24T19:25:04Z pjb: Ok, probabilities lowered sufficiently.
2016-06-24T19:25:05Z phoe_krk: pjb: nonetheless I consider #<COMMON-LISP:PACKAGE "TEMP-PKG-@2016-06-24T21:24:10.346339+02:00-886"> unique enough.
2016-06-24T19:25:14Z pjb: yep.
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2016-06-24T19:25:27Z phoe_krk: Okay. I'
2016-06-24T19:25:34Z phoe_krk: I'll refactor and extract this into a library tomorrow.
2016-06-24T19:26:13Z phoe_krk: I think I just devised a way to use the standard Lisp reader for working with insecure output.
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2016-06-24T19:26:50Z pjb: Well, the thing is that this package could still be used to fill the RAM.
2016-06-24T19:26:54Z phoe_krk: By grabbing your input and stitching together.
2016-06-24T19:27:03Z phoe_krk: pjb: I'll take care of it next.
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2016-06-24T19:27:10Z phoe_krk: Like - the maximum read size.
2016-06-24T19:27:24Z pjb: phoe_krk: and also, you could have CL-USER:FOO1 … CL-USER:FOO134189120482390842390842390482390489
2016-06-24T19:27:29Z pjb: in a list.
2016-06-24T19:27:38Z phoe_krk: I mean, the maximum size of the sexp that will get processed without signalling an error.
2016-06-24T19:27:40Z pjb: with :: actually instead of :/
2016-06-24T19:28:09Z phoe_krk: pjb: I'll solve this before the reader actually gets anything to read.
2016-06-24T19:29:00Z phoe_krk: If I read *MAX-READABLE-CHARS* from the socket, there's no newline and there's still data to be read, I error out.
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2016-06-24T19:29:42Z phoe_krk: If it's below the limit, the string gets actually passed into the Lisp reader.
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2016-06-24T19:29:47Z phoe_krk: Does it sound sane?
2016-06-24T19:30:16Z phoe_krk: brb
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2016-06-24T19:31:24Z pjb: Yes, reading a string, and parsing it next is a good way to avoid a lot of problems.
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2016-06-24T19:57:52Z phoe_krk: pjb: Any idea why #\: might not work properly when reading a non-list? Say, CL:CAR?
2016-06-24T19:59:28Z phoe_krk: Oh. I think I get it.
2016-06-24T19:59:39Z phoe_krk: #\: should be non-terminating methinkg.
2016-06-24T19:59:40Z phoe_krk: s.
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2016-06-24T20:09:06Z phoe_krk: http://paste.lisp.org/display/319136
2016-06-24T20:09:08Z phoe_krk: This is puzzling.
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2016-06-24T20:13:41Z phoe_krk: Oh. I see. http://clhs.lisp.se/Body/02_b.htm
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2016-06-24T20:15:15Z phoe_krk: I still don't get it.
2016-06-24T20:15:36Z phoe_krk: For some reason, this gets triggered with a list. And this doesn't get triggered without a list.
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2016-06-24T20:19:18Z phoe_krk: ...non-terminating macro characters get pulled into the token being read.
2016-06-24T20:19:33Z phoe_krk: So why don't they get pulled when a (cl:car) gets read.
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2016-06-24T20:35:46Z phoe_krk: Huh. I see.
2016-06-24T20:36:17Z phoe_krk: We have three cases here.
2016-06-24T20:36:41Z phoe_krk: One - READ-DELIMITED-LIST being called. It normally calls the macro function of #\: and an error is called.
2016-06-24T20:37:06Z phoe_krk: Two - we have #\: as a terminating macro character. The reader peeks at it, stops reading and returns what it accumulated so far.
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2016-06-24T20:37:21Z phoe_krk: Three - we have #\: as a non-terminating macro character. The reader ignores the macro function and just keeps on reading.
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2016-06-24T20:44:16Z phoe_krk: Welp. I'll be forced to read lists only, then.
2016-06-24T20:44:23Z phoe_krk: Which is what I wanted it to do anyway.
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2016-06-24T21:08:38Z phoe_krk: ...can I anyhow hack READ-DELIMITED-LIST into behaving as READ normally would?
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2016-06-24T21:18:07Z phoe_krk: Hey, I can. I'mma just append a #\Nul to the end of the string and have this terminate it...
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2016-06-24T21:24:45Z phoe_krk: What is the Lisp way of creating strings from streams? I mean, the recommended implementation. Gathering all the characters into a list and coercing it into a string doesn't really sound like the best thing, performance-wise.
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2016-06-24T21:27:07Z phoe_krk: I can see SBCL utilizing some sorts of buffers in its FDs. Is there a QL library for such?
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2016-06-24T21:32:20Z rme: phoe_krk: What about vector-push-extend onto an adjustable string, or a string output stream?
2016-06-24T21:33:18Z phoe_krk: rme: String output stream? That sounds nice.
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2016-06-24T21:33:40Z phoe_krk: Can I just push characters onto it and have it pop out a string for me?
2016-06-24T21:34:09Z rme: clhs make-string-output-stream
2016-06-24T21:34:09Z specbot: http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_mk_s_2.htm
2016-06-24T21:34:17Z phoe_krk: rme: I'd rather not have an adjustable string since I'd have to manage multiple ones if I want to create something like 512kB of a string.
2016-06-24T21:34:38Z phoe_krk: rme: this solves my problem. Thanks!
2016-06-24T21:34:48Z mordocai: Also http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/m_w_out_.htm
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2016-06-24T22:08:44Z pjb: phoe_krk: #\: is processed specially by the lisp reader algorithm. It is useless to bind it to a reader macro.
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2016-06-24T22:10:02Z pjb: phoe_krk: this is why I made you consider (CL-USER::FOO1 … CL-USER::FOO3901289312890312830).
2016-06-24T22:13:12Z phoe_krk: pjb: I'll hack around READ-DELIMITED-LIST as it seems to work with reader macros.
2016-06-24T22:13:55Z pjb: I just read again clhs 2.2, and it seems I'm wrong.
2016-06-24T22:14:45Z phoe_krk: Um?
2016-06-24T22:14:49Z phoe_krk: Oh, right.
2016-06-24T22:15:09Z phoe_krk: It's processed as a non-terminating reader macro character, and therefore read as a normal alphanumeric char.
2016-06-24T22:15:31Z phoe_krk: Try (read-from-string "A#C").
2016-06-24T22:15:35Z pjb: Yes, it works perfectly as a reader macro.  You may want a terminating reader macro, or not, depending.
2016-06-24T22:15:52Z pjb: (set-macro-character #\: (lambda (s c) (declare (ignore s c)) '|:|) nil) '(cl:car cl:cdr) --> (cl \: car cl \: cdr)
2016-06-24T22:15:52Z phoe_krk: pjb: I'll do the following.
2016-06-24T22:16:17Z phoe_krk: Oh. Does it?
2016-06-24T22:16:26Z phoe_krk: Oh, right.
2016-06-24T22:16:27Z phoe_krk: But.
2016-06-24T22:16:29Z pjb: '(cl::car) --> (cl \: \: car)
2016-06-24T22:16:42Z phoe_krk: I'll use READ-DELIMITED-LIST.
2016-06-24T22:16:58Z phoe_krk: I mean - I'll append a #\Nul to the read string once I verify it's not too large.
2016-06-24T22:17:10Z pjb: I see.
2016-06-24T22:17:13Z phoe_krk: And I'll read-delimited-list, terminating it with a #\Nul.
2016-06-24T22:17:17Z phoe_krk: I'll get a list.
2016-06-24T22:17:19Z pjb: Yes. It's a way to do it.
2016-06-24T22:17:32Z phoe_krk: And I'm interested only in the first part of it, so CAR of it is the value I seek.
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2016-06-24T22:18:00Z phoe_krk: R-D-L calls non-terminating macro character functions, so everything that errors out gets called.
2016-06-24T22:18:06Z phoe_krk: Which is something that I want.
2016-06-24T22:18:27Z phoe_krk: All of :X and Y:Z and A::B will error out.
2016-06-24T22:18:34Z phoe_krk: Which means no keyword or any other symbol pollution.
2016-06-24T22:18:46Z phoe_krk: And all the symbols will get interned in a package that will later on get deleted.
2016-06-24T22:18:48Z pjb: As a reader macro, you may still read :X as keywords.
2016-06-24T22:19:02Z phoe_krk: pjb: keyword package pollution anyone?
2016-06-24T22:19:12Z pjb: but also: '(cl:car) --> (cl :car) ;-)
2016-06-24T22:19:21Z phoe_krk: (:KEYWORD1 ... :KEYWORD12836127846384348274) ?
2016-06-24T22:19:25Z phoe_krk: pjb: no :P
2016-06-24T22:19:27Z phoe_krk: I won't.
2016-06-24T22:19:31Z pjb: or your own MY-KEYWORD package.
2016-06-24T22:19:43Z pjb:  '(cl:car) --> (cl my-keyword:car)
2016-06-24T22:19:43Z phoe_krk: pjb: which will bloat up and eat my RAM anyway.
2016-06-24T22:19:46Z pjb: you can do as you want.
2016-06-24T22:19:59Z phoe_krk: But - I don't need to. I'll grab symbols and symbols only.
2016-06-24T22:20:02Z pjb: or temp package for "keywords".
2016-06-24T22:20:28Z phoe_krk: pjb: then I'll need to create two packages, one for symbols, other for keywords, and then I'll need to throw out both of them.
2016-06-24T22:20:34Z phoe_krk: I don't see the point.
2016-06-24T22:20:36Z pjb: yes.
2016-06-24T22:20:44Z pjb: Why do you read?
2016-06-24T22:20:51Z phoe_krk: I want input from my client.
2016-06-24T22:21:07Z phoe_krk: Which will consist of lists, symbols, ints and strings.
2016-06-24T22:21:16Z phoe_krk: Like - a client/server here.
2016-06-24T22:21:31Z phoe_krk: And I'm bending the Lisp reader to serve me in this case.
2016-06-24T22:22:01Z pjb: soon enough it'll seem easier to just write a custom parser.
2016-06-24T22:22:12Z phoe_krk: pjb: no, why?
2016-06-24T22:22:23Z phoe_krk: I'm about 60% done.
2016-06-24T22:22:26Z pjb: ok.
2016-06-24T22:23:00Z phoe_krk: Plus it's an actually fun challenge to do this utilizing the somewhat-hackable somewhat-limited tool that is the standard Lisp reader.
2016-06-24T22:23:09Z phoe_krk: And I get to know more of CL in the process.
2016-06-24T22:23:29Z phoe_krk: Like - the CL internals. I'm not creating a new parser, I'm tinkering with the old tricks.
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2016-06-24T22:55:15Z |3b|: phoe_krk: did you count #12345678901234567(1) in your list of untrusted input reader problems?
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2016-06-24T22:57:49Z phoe_krk: Yes, # is completely disabled.
2016-06-24T22:58:45Z |3b|: not exactly a reader problem, but might also thing about effects of . on whatever is looking at the results
2016-06-24T22:58:46Z phoe_krk: Disabled as in errors out and knocks out the connection.
2016-06-24T22:58:54Z |3b|: *think
2016-06-24T22:59:03Z phoe_krk: A structure like (a b . c . d) errors out and knocks out the connection.
2016-06-24T22:59:43Z |3b| meant just (1 2 . 3) or whatever, valid dotted lists
2016-06-24T22:59:57Z phoe_krk: Oh, right! These get parsed correctly into improper lists.
2016-06-24T23:00:19Z phoe_krk: Do I want improper lists though?
2016-06-24T23:00:40Z |3b|: could be useful for alists
2016-06-24T23:00:44Z phoe_krk: Would making . an error macro character prevent improper lists from occuring at read-time?
2016-06-24T23:01:16Z |3b|: should .5 be an error?
2016-06-24T23:01:44Z phoe_krk: Not really.
2016-06-24T23:01:44Z |3b| doesn't remember if that is valid syntax for 0.5 or not, but at least sbcl seems to accept it
2016-06-24T23:02:16Z phoe_krk: So does ECL and MKCL.
2016-06-24T23:02:30Z phoe_krk: Oh well.
2016-06-24T23:02:33Z phoe_krk: I'll leave them in.
2016-06-24T23:03:17Z phoe_krk: If someone decides to screw up my data with improper lists later on, I'll find out about this at parsetime.
2016-06-24T23:04:12Z phoe_krk: Oh, wait.
2016-06-24T23:04:25Z phoe_krk: I can make . a custom macro character.
2016-06-24T23:05:01Z phoe_krk: I think.
2016-06-24T23:05:20Z phoe_krk: If there's nothing past the . and nothing before the . then I might want to error out.
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2016-06-24T23:05:32Z phoe_krk: But can I check what's before the macro character?
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2016-06-24T23:06:54Z |3b|: i guess you could peek next char and if it is space or terminating macro char, error?
2016-06-24T23:07:04Z |3b|: you can't check previous char, but you can make it non-terminating
2016-06-24T23:07:19Z |3b|: (or not make it terminating, don't remember which way the option goes)
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2016-06-24T23:07:32Z |3b|: so it will affect .foo but not foo.
2016-06-24T23:07:55Z phoe_krk: Good.
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2016-06-24T23:08:16Z phoe_krk: But wait.
2016-06-24T23:08:32Z phoe_krk: READ-DELIMITED-LIST will trigger if it's a non-terminating macro char.
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2016-06-24T23:09:24Z phoe_krk: Anyway, enough Lisp for tonight.
2016-06-24T23:09:27Z phoe_krk: Thanks guys, and night!
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2016-06-24T23:11:55Z |3b|: i guess the outside-vr experience was nicer for rift too, at least until it gets to the store, steam wins there
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2016-06-24T23:13:21Z |3b|: (though not completely fair since vive has the extra complexity of controllers, and yet to see if touch will work as smoothly as rift)
2016-06-24T23:13:28Z |3b|: oops, wrong channel :/
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2016-06-25T03:48:41Z beach: Good morning everyone!
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2016-06-25T04:57:13Z SoraFirestorm: Quick question: is there a way to tell SBCL to use AT&T syntax for DISASSEMBLE?
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2016-06-25T05:04:18Z beach: SoraFirestorm: If you don't get an answer here, you may want to try in #sbcl.
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2016-06-25T06:28:35Z oleo_: morning
2016-06-25T06:30:04Z beach: Hello oleo_.
2016-06-25T06:31:02Z oleo_: heye beach! :)
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2016-06-25T06:58:59Z SoraFirestorm: beach: alright, I'll try hitting up #sbcl now. Thanks.
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2016-06-25T07:19:36Z beach: If I am going to make Second Climacs largely independent of the GUI library to be used, I think I need a library for Emacs-like commands, i.e., a library that maps sequences of items (keystrokes) to items (commands).  It looks like it would be a multi-level dictionary.  Do we have such a library already, or should I extract what I have, generalize it, and turn it into a separate library?
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2016-06-25T07:49:59Z peey: beach: a generalized library for the multi-level dictionary?
2016-06-25T07:50:10Z beach: Yeah.
2016-06-25T07:52:14Z peey: Couldn't you also use a simple hash table for mapping key sequences to commands? And you could search the hash table's keys to see if there are any key sequences remaining after whatever user has already entered
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2016-06-25T07:53:21Z beach: That is another possibility.  But I would like to create a CLOS protocol for it.
2016-06-25T07:53:38Z beach: ... one that does not refer to the implementation details.
2016-06-25T07:55:31Z peey: Does getting list of keys from a hashmap depend on implementation details?
2016-06-25T07:56:28Z beach: "hash table" is an implementation detail, and it will only work for the comparison functions that Common Lisp provides.
2016-06-25T07:56:59Z beach: I also need function for checking partial sequences, so that I can generate output.
2016-06-25T07:57:10Z beach: In Emacs, try typing C-x
2016-06-25T07:57:23Z beach: It echoes the C-x in the echo area.
2016-06-25T07:57:47Z beach: I need an operation to check whether a sequence is a valid prefix.
2016-06-25T07:58:47Z peey: Yeah. I was thinking that for partial sequences you could get a list of all hash keys in the map, then filter out those that don't fit the prefix. Costly operation maybe. More efficient with a multi level dictionary, now I see it.
2016-06-25T07:58:56Z beach: You can.
2016-06-25T07:59:04Z beach: But that's another implementation detail.
2016-06-25T07:59:40Z beach: If I come up with the right protocol, I am sure I can find a reasonable implementation.
2016-06-25T07:59:55Z oleo_: hello
2016-06-25T07:59:57Z oleo_: http://paste.lisp.org/display/319172
2016-06-25T08:00:06Z oleo_: is that att or intel snytax for the assembly ?
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2016-06-25T08:03:30Z beach: oleo_: I am not an expert, but it looks like the destination of the MOV is the first argument, which I believe is Intel, so I think shka is right.
2016-06-25T08:03:52Z oleo_: right
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2016-06-25T08:10:48Z beach: OK, now the hardest part: what should I call such a library?
2016-06-25T08:11:11Z shka: polymap ;-)
2016-06-25T08:11:18Z beach: The name must be unique, short, pertinent, and contain the letter combination "cl".
2016-06-25T08:11:30Z shka: clevermap
2016-06-25T08:11:32Z shka: ;-)
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2016-06-25T08:11:54Z beach: Not bad.
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2016-06-25T08:12:52Z beach: Bah, such a talent is invaluable.  I find that naming things is one of the hardest parts about programming.
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2016-06-25T08:17:19Z peey: beah: heiarchially-keyed-map
2016-06-25T08:17:32Z beach: I don't see "cl" in that name.
2016-06-25T08:17:40Z peey: hierarchically*
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2016-06-25T08:18:04Z peey: well if you want you can misspell hierarchically to be hierarchi*cl*ly
2016-06-25T08:18:07Z peey: :P
2016-06-25T08:18:11Z beach: That's an idea.
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2016-06-25T08:51:40Z John[Lisbeth]: (caaar '((((1)))))
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2016-06-25T09:02:52Z John[Lisbeth]: I feel like there should just be one car function and it takes a string and another variable.
2016-06-25T09:03:08Z John[Lisbeth]: And then you could write it so you have as many as you want like cadadadaddddaddaaaaddddadadddaddaddddddadr
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2016-06-25T09:05:02Z peey: John: You mean like a blend of nthcar and nthcdr?
2016-06-25T09:05:16Z John[Lisbeth]: Probably.
2016-06-25T09:06:06Z shka: John[Lisbeth]: take a look at the let over lambda
2016-06-25T09:06:33Z shka: also
2016-06-25T09:06:40Z shka: racket style lenses
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2016-06-25T09:07:02Z John[Lisbeth]: Do you suspect me of being a schemer?
2016-06-25T09:07:31Z jackdaniel: what would be the point of such "utility"?
2016-06-25T09:08:04Z John[Lisbeth]: So that way you don't have to create infinite variations of them and teach them to new lisp programmers.
2016-06-25T09:08:24Z beach: John[Lisbeth]: If you find the need for such a thing, your code needs some serious rethinking in terms of datastructure abstractions.
2016-06-25T09:09:35Z jackdaniel: John[Lisbeth]: if you c.*r exeeds 4 characters its unreadable for an average person
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2016-06-25T09:10:06Z John[Lisbeth]: Nonetheless.
2016-06-25T09:10:45Z jackdaniel: implementing it would be a waste of time, but it is your time after all
2016-06-25T09:14:40Z shka: jackdaniel, helpful as ever :D
2016-06-25T09:15:07Z shka: John[Lisbeth]: programming in scheme is not something bad
2016-06-25T09:15:08Z shka: anyway
2016-06-25T09:15:27Z shka: in land of lisp, author describes macro that basicly does what you wanted to
2016-06-25T09:15:36Z jackdaniel: shka: keep your offensive remarks to yourself please
2016-06-25T09:16:01Z shka: oh you fragile butterflower
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2016-06-25T10:16:11Z peey: John[Lisbeth]: How about this: http://paste.lisp.org/display/319183
2016-06-25T10:16:33Z peey: usage:  (c "aaa" '(((3))))
2016-06-25T10:17:16Z peey: I'm missing the r though :(
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2016-06-25T10:50:22Z peey: Can I configure asdf to recursively search in the directories in *central-registry*?
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2016-06-25T11:07:27Z pjb: peey: the problem is that it's a macro; with a function you could do: (mapcar (function c) '("aa" "ad" "da" "dd") '(((1 2)) ((1) (2)) (1 ((2))) (1 2 3)))
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2016-06-25T11:13:21Z peey: pjb: this is actually a larger problem that creeps up everywhere. There should be a generic solution to applying arguments on a macro just like we do on a function so mapcar etc work :(
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2016-06-25T11:20:04Z _death: also you should check out reduce.. (reduce (lambda (result char) (list (cons (if (eql char #\a) 'car 'cdr) result))) :initial-value (list subject))
2016-06-25T11:20:20Z _death: (missing "adr" for sequence)
2016-06-25T11:23:39Z jackdaniel: I find it helpful to first design function with the ordinary syntax and after that a macro which uses it
2016-06-25T11:24:06Z jackdaniel: possibly named following some convention
2016-06-25T11:24:35Z jackdaniel: like cxr and invoke-with-cxr
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2016-06-25T11:26:01Z _death: for complicated macros that is often a good tactic
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2016-06-25T11:28:13Z peey: Actually my solution assumes first argument to be a string so you can't even use (mapcar (lambda (x y) (c x y)) '("aa") (list '((2)))) like you can do with the and macro. I guess I need to remove the processing part and put it into expansion part.
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2016-06-25T11:29:27Z _death: there's no need for a macro.. a function and optionally a compiler macro is all you need
2016-06-25T11:32:07Z peey: Yeah but what if macro is simpler to reason about?
2016-06-25T11:32:34Z _death: simpler how
2016-06-25T11:32:49Z peey: I was aiming for (c "aa" subject) directly becomes (car (car subject))
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2016-06-25T11:34:03Z peey: So that can be tested very easily
2016-06-25T11:34:19Z _death: you'll find that the implementation of the function is quite similar, even simpler
2016-06-25T11:34:48Z peey: hmm. I'll try and compare for the sake of it then
2016-06-25T11:34:51Z _death: you can easily test the function since it's without side-effects
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2016-06-25T11:38:27Z _death: but indeed sometimes I find it easier to generate code than to do the actual processing at runtime
2016-06-25T11:40:58Z peey: actually you were right, _death: http://paste.lisp.org/display/319186 !
2016-06-25T11:41:20Z peey: I guess I implemented it as a macro because I thought about it as a macro on first glance at the problem
2016-06-25T11:42:17Z _death: reduce wants to be your friend
2016-06-25T11:43:07Z _death: also, using strings for structured data => antilisp
2016-06-25T11:46:36Z peey: What do you mean? I shouldn't use strings for (cxr "....") ? What else then?
2016-06-25T11:47:05Z peey: Oh yes, I forgot about reduce. I guess it'll also *reduce* my code :D
2016-06-25T11:47:17Z peey: @ _death
2016-06-25T11:47:26Z _death: well, cxr itself is pretty wrongheaded, as beach noted
2016-06-25T11:48:29Z _death: you could however use a list of symbols... (car cdr car car cdr)
2016-06-25T11:48:52Z jackdaniel: like in (funcall (compose #'car #'cdr #'car) lst) ?
2016-06-25T11:49:07Z _death: there's no list of symbols here
2016-06-25T11:49:30Z peey: or perhaps (funcall (apply #'compose '(car cdr car)) lst)
2016-06-25T11:49:47Z _death: that might be a good implementation.. :)
2016-06-25T11:52:49Z peey: That'll be the whole body of your cxr function actually
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2016-06-25T11:55:20Z peey: Tho beac h was just saying that if you find yourself in need of such a function then that may be indication of something wrong somewhere. But I think if someone did ever legitimately want to use this they'd prefer strings for brevity.
2016-06-25T11:55:28Z _death: then you can extend it to create further abstractions.. like ((chapter 1) (section 2) (paragraph 3) (sentence 1) (word 5))
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2016-06-25T11:56:27Z peey: Oh nice, actually!
2016-06-25T11:57:01Z _death: with strings you'll get more and more cryptic
2016-06-25T12:00:49Z peey: True.
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2016-06-25T13:03:31Z phoe_krk: I can see another version of this
2016-06-25T13:04:08Z phoe_krk: (cxr '(2 -3 1 -2) x) ; ==> (car (car (cdr (cdr (cdr (car (cdr (cdr x))))))))
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2016-06-25T15:42:45Z _death: fiddlerwoaroof: yes.. check out http://cs-www.cs.yale.edu/homes/dvm/format-stinks.html
2016-06-25T15:42:51Z _death: fiddlerwoaroof: I have my own OUT macro
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2016-06-25T15:44:25Z fiddlerwoaroof: _death: I wrote something similar https://github.com/fiddlerwoaroof/format-string-builder
2016-06-25T15:44:56Z fiddlerwoaroof: _death: But the concision of format strings is sometimes handy, so I'm on the fence about this.
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2016-06-25T15:49:14Z _death: ~5,'0X becomes (:d n :base 16 :width 5 :pad-char #\0) .. if you want it shorter you can easily define a user operator.. (my-thing x)
2016-06-25T15:53:34Z _death: or rather (:u my-thing x) .. though you can of course extract it to a function as well
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2016-06-25T16:05:16Z pjb: _death: clearly, these :d and :u are cryptic. They should have named them :number and :user-formater
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2016-06-25T20:00:21Z rumbler31: ok something interesting happened.  I used drakma to open a connection to a server that was streaming data to my client and requesting a steam object back, that I stored with defparameter.
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2016-06-25T20:01:33Z rumbler31: I invoked close on the stream I got from drakma, assuming that it would tell drakma to close the connection, and then I put my laptop to sleep.  I wake it back up later, and the file on disk is empty
2016-06-25T20:02:09Z rumbler31: is there something obvious I'm missing, as to why the file might be empty?
2016-06-25T20:03:52Z _death: did you close the file stream without :abort (which could happen if an error was signaled, say by closing the input stream and not explicitly allowing an ordinary flow)
2016-06-25T20:04:33Z rumbler31: mmmmm..... well i guess I did interrupt the writing loop in order to get back to the repl with a C-c C-c
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2016-06-25T20:04:59Z rumbler31: and i guess i've never been exactly clear about what the different options mean, I was very tired, I suppose its possible I picked the one for reset thread or so
2016-06-25T20:05:08Z _death: clhs close
2016-06-25T20:05:08Z specbot: http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_close.htm
2016-06-25T20:06:16Z rumbler31: huhhhhhhhhh
2016-06-25T20:07:11Z rumbler31: well i invoked close on the drakma stream, I supposed my C-c C-c from the repl while in the loop probably did this.  I was obviously not aware of that behavior
2016-06-25T20:08:15Z rumbler31: ty
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2016-06-25T22:00:17Z jcowan: I'm wondering about whether it's still considered useful to treat symbols as strings in string functions.  I assume it was originally put into the language to support converted Maclisp code?
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2016-06-25T22:13:55Z phoe_krk: jcowan: well, it is somewhat useful.
2016-06-25T22:14:21Z phoe_krk: All sorts of symbol generation work thanks to symbol-string relationship.
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2016-06-25T22:47:50Z jcowan: phoe_krk: Sure.  But what interests me is the case of passing symbols to the string and array functions.  Does anyone realistically do that?
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2016-06-25T22:49:32Z phoe_krk: jcowan: I sometimes pass symbols to the string function.
2016-06-25T22:49:41Z phoe_krk: To array, could you give me an example?
2016-06-25T22:50:21Z jcowan: Maybe I'm wrong to think that works
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2016-06-25T22:51:46Z phoe_krk: I mean, uh.
2016-06-25T22:51:57Z phoe_krk: Where *could* you pass a symbol to an array function?
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2016-06-25T22:54:42Z jcowan: Any pure array function that accepts a 1-D array will accept a string, and could be made to accept a symbol as well, but actually they don't
2016-06-25T22:54:57Z jcowan: (aref 'foo 0) => #\f, that is, but in fact it's an error
2016-06-25T22:57:19Z edgar-rft: SBCL says: (aref 'foo 0) => type-error: The value FOO is not of type ARRAY.
2016-06-25T22:57:54Z edgar-rft: what Common Lisp implementation are you using?
2016-06-25T22:57:56Z jcowan: Just so.  But it's not inherently an unreasonable extension:  symbols can be treated as strings, string are arrays, symbols can be treated as arrays.
2016-06-25T22:58:43Z jcowan: edgar-rft: I was asking about whether people actually exploit the ability to call string functions (never mind array ones, that's a digression) on symbols.  The standard allows it, but is it in actual use nowadays?
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2016-06-25T22:59:35Z phadthai: since you could use symbols as an interning-strings feature, it might presumably be useful
2016-06-25T23:04:24Z phoe_krk: (aref (string 'foo) 0)
2016-06-25T23:04:42Z phoe_krk: jcowan: also, I think that you mean string designators.
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2016-06-25T23:19:02Z phadthai: jcowan: http://mmondor.pulsar-zone.net/paste?p=167o
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2016-06-25T23:19:24Z jcowan: Thanks.
2016-06-25T23:19:43Z jcowan: Yes, I do mean string designators, though there is no handy list of which functions accept them that I know of
2016-06-25T23:20:19Z phoe_krk: jcowan: CLHS always tells you whether a function accepts a string designator - if it helps anything.
2016-06-25T23:20:40Z jcowan: Indeed.  I googled lispworks.com/documentation for "string designator"
2016-06-25T23:20:53Z phoe_krk: Ayup.
2016-06-25T23:20:55Z jcowan: So.  When, if ever, do people actually use symbols as a type of string designator?
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2016-06-25T23:23:42Z phoe_krk: jcowan: I can count USE-PACKAGE, DEFPACKAGE.
2016-06-25T23:24:33Z jcowan: Good point.  I wasn't thinking of those.
2016-06-25T23:25:12Z phoe_krk: QL:QUICKLOAD.
2016-06-25T23:25:16Z phoe_krk: Since we're at it.
2016-06-25T23:25:29Z phoe_krk: I only use keywords with it.
2016-06-25T23:26:15Z phoe_krk: But, yeah, uh... Xanthrion pokes raptor.]
2016-06-25T23:26:18Z phoe_krk: wait wrong
2016-06-25T23:26:24Z phoe_krk: (ql:quickload '#:usocket)
2016-06-25T23:26:34Z phoe_krk: This works. But I consider it overkill.
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2016-06-25T23:30:40Z pjb: jcowan: they do, all the time: (in-package :cl-user) instead of (in-package "CL-USER") etc. All package stuff they use symbols as string designators instead of strings.
2016-06-25T23:31:04Z phoe_krk: Oh yes, IN-PACKAGE.
2016-06-25T23:31:15Z jcowan: pjb: <jcowan> Good point.  I wasn't thinking of those.
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2016-06-26T00:02:00Z emaczen: Is there a function that prints the "identity" like the optional identity argument to print-object?
2016-06-26T00:02:01Z minion: emaczen, memo from mordocai: Cool! What was the CCL portability issue? Sorry I didn't help much, got busy with life stuff and looking at starting a lisp meetup in my area.
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2016-06-26T00:14:56Z pjb:  emaczen: nope, only print-object does it.
2016-06-26T00:15:33Z pjb: You can use object-identity: (defstruct foo bar) (object-identity (make-foo :bar 42)) --> "#x3020022C258D"
2016-06-26T00:15:56Z pjb: It's in COM.INFORMATIMAGO.COMMON-LISP.CESARUM.UTILITY.
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2016-06-26T00:56:06Z peey: Has anyone announced plans for making a common lisp to webassembly compiler? (when the wasm spec is finalized, of course)
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2016-06-26T01:14:51Z jcowan: peey: I think the obvious approach is ECL -> clang -> wasm.
2016-06-26T01:15:20Z jcowan: Not as k00l as a native compiler, but useful
2016-06-26T01:15:28Z peey: Oh yes, that makes sense
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2016-06-26T02:01:20Z emaczen: pjb: thanks
2016-06-26T02:01:58Z emaczen: pjb: should there be any difference between running a built cocoa application vs running one from the REPL? I am seeing several...
2016-06-26T02:02:33Z emaczen: pjb: I wonder if it has something to do with not managing memory.
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2016-06-26T02:32:42Z rumbler3_: http://paste.lisp.org/display/319239
2016-06-26T02:33:18Z rumbler3_: what I expect is that if I find the matching bytes, I return everything i've read upto and including the matching bytes
2016-06-26T02:33:49Z rumbler3_: what I'm experiencing is that an extra byte is being read, as if another iteration of the loop is occurring prior to the evaluation of the end test form
2016-06-26T02:35:09Z rumbler3_: the function takes a list of bytes, and stores a copy as it reads from a stream, every byte read is compared to what is popped off the stored list.  if it is not a match, the stored list is restored from the initial argument, otherwise I expect that the last matching byte will make the stored list eql to nil, then on next iteration no more bytes will be read
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2016-06-26T02:41:19Z |3b|: "...after the vars have been updated, the end-test-form is evaluated as described above, and the iteration continues." so it reads before checking for NIL
2016-06-26T02:41:55Z |3b|: you could add probably another var and move the POP into the variable binding/update
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2016-06-26T02:52:39Z rumbler31: i must be tired, and I guess I got confused from the paragraph prior. but I see what they are saying now
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2016-06-26T02:52:42Z rumbler31: ty
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2016-06-26T03:17:39Z rumbler31: i can't seem to wrap my brain around it right now.  Once the last comparison succeeds, I have to prevent the next read.
2016-06-26T03:18:57Z rumbler31: if I set a var to the results of the pop, then do the comparison between what I've read and the pop and find that it matches, I also have to prevent the next read, so I guess I need to return from the do form?
2016-06-26T03:19:54Z beach: Good morning everyone!
2016-06-26T03:21:20Z rumbler31: or I guess more succinctly, if it turns out that the byte that i've read is in fact the last one i'm looking for, I won't know this until the loop body, unless I can compare somehow before the end test form is evaluated
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2016-06-26T03:29:27Z |3b| would just rewrite it in LOOP instead of DO :p
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2016-06-26T03:30:56Z rumbler31: i switch between the two
2016-06-26T03:31:01Z rumbler31: i don't know why.
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2016-06-26T03:35:23Z rumbler31: what do I do if I want to bind vars in do to results of an m-v-b?
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2016-06-26T03:40:45Z |3b| assumes you mean results of a form that returns multiple values, since there is nothing special about the value(s) returned by m-v-b. i'd probably try to rearrange things to just use m-v-b in the body, otherwise m-v-list is best alternative i can think of
2016-06-26T03:41:17Z rumbler31: yes that's what I meant.  I understand
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2016-06-26T03:41:59Z |3b|: LOOP also lacks a good solution for that, though at least there you can destructure the list from m-v-list directly
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2016-06-26T08:52:56Z jackdaniel: minion: memo for rumbler31: maybe something in this spirit: http://paste.lisp.org/display/319239#1 ?
2016-06-26T08:52:57Z minion: Remembered. I'll tell rumbler31 when he/she/it next speaks.
2016-06-26T08:53:48Z jackdaniel: minion: memo for rumbler31: it's a bit different wrt returned values, but you may customize is as you like. Note, that there is no clause at all :-)
2016-06-26T08:53:49Z minion: Remembered. I'll tell rumbler31 when he/she/it next speaks.
2016-06-26T08:54:06Z jackdaniel: minion: memo for rumbler31: s/clause/body clause/
2016-06-26T08:54:06Z minion: Remembered. I'll tell rumbler31 when he/she/it next speaks.
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2016-06-26T10:17:52Z jackdaniel: minion: memo for rumbler31: also as a side note – assinging bytes-list to so-far is redunimentary – modifying bytes-list won't modify original list passed to the function
2016-06-26T10:17:53Z minion: Remembered. I'll tell rumbler31 when he/she/it next speaks.
2016-06-26T10:18:02Z jackdaniel: so crowdy today :-)
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2016-06-26T14:51:59Z jackdaniel: Xach_: thanks. all backends except clx (clx-core isn't the same) aren't working for now (and didn't before, it's not a regression)
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2016-06-26T14:53:36Z beach: It is possible that clx-core never built.  Just remove the system definition for now, or disable it somehow.
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2016-06-26T15:52:26Z beach: Hmm, OK.
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2016-06-26T16:11:32Z guicho: oh, this, 3D lisp alien https://twitter.com/SagafroKichigai/status/747069285856534528
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2016-06-26T16:16:12Z phoe_krk: o___o
2016-06-26T16:17:57Z isoraqathedh: Some things are better in profile.
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2016-06-26T16:44:10Z phoe_krk: Can I specialize on any class?
2016-06-26T16:47:27Z shka: yes
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2016-06-26T17:03:53Z phoe_krk: Are there any utilities for cleaning package namespace pollution?
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2016-06-26T17:04:57Z phoe_krk: Like, (do-symbols (symbol package) (unless (member symbol allowed-symbols-in-package) (unintern symbol)))?
2016-06-26T17:05:11Z phoe_krk: ...I hate it when I end up writing that utility myself while asking the question.
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2016-06-26T17:09:14Z shka: that's why clojure has non-interning reader
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2016-06-26T17:11:11Z phoe_krk: shka: we have one too, it's just not in the standard.
2016-06-26T17:11:45Z rumbler31: whats the utility of this?
2016-06-26T17:11:45Z minion: rumbler31, memo from jackdaniel: maybe something in this spirit: http://paste.lisp.org/display/319239#1 ?
2016-06-26T17:11:45Z minion: rumbler31, memo from jackdaniel: it's a bit different wrt returned values, but you may customize is as you like. Note, that there is no clause at all :-)
2016-06-26T17:11:45Z minion: rumbler31, memo from jackdaniel: s/clause/body clause/
2016-06-26T17:11:45Z minion: rumbler31, memo from jackdaniel: also as a side note – assinging bytes-list to so-far is redunimentary – modifying bytes-list won't modify original list passed to the function
2016-06-26T17:11:49Z shka: how?
2016-06-26T17:12:15Z rumbler31: wouldn't disallowed symbols only really occur from typos?
2016-06-26T17:12:27Z phoe_krk: shka: http://www.informatimago.com/develop/lisp/com/informatimago/common-lisp/lisp-reader/reader.lisp
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2016-06-26T17:12:30Z phoe_krk: rumbler31: or from untrusted input.
2016-06-26T17:12:56Z phoe_krk: You can't securely allow the traditional Lisp reader to read input from the outer world without risking it blowing up.
2016-06-26T17:13:04Z phoe_krk: Along with your whole Lisp image.
2016-06-26T17:13:20Z Grue`: yeah well you're not supposed to
2016-06-26T17:13:36Z rumbler31: how do you make memos
2016-06-26T17:14:04Z Grue`: minion: memo for <somebody>: <text>
2016-06-26T17:14:05Z minion: Remembered. I'll tell <somebody> when he/she/it next speaks.
2016-06-26T17:14:13Z rumbler31: lol, ty
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2016-06-26T17:15:53Z rumbler31: miniom: memo for jackdaniel:  the assign to so-far was in order to reset the search to the full pattern.  If I pop bytes-list as i go but get half way through and detect a mismatch, I need to continue my search in the stream from the beginning of the bytes list
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2016-06-26T17:16:51Z Grue`: rumbler31: you mistyped "minion"
2016-06-26T17:17:00Z rumbler31: damnit
2016-06-26T17:17:15Z rumbler31: minion: memo for jackdaniel:  the assign to so-far was in order to reset the search to the full pattern.  If I pop bytes-list as i go but get half way through and detect a mismatch, I need to continue my search in the stream from the beginning of the bytes list
2016-06-26T17:17:16Z minion: Remembered. I'll tell jackdaniel when he/she/it next speaks.
2016-06-26T17:17:23Z rumbler31: sorry for the spam
2016-06-26T17:17:51Z flip214: hmmm, does hunchentoot:CREATE-FOLDER-DISPATCHER-AND-HANDLER disallow a PATHNAME for the PATH argument? I get an CL-PPCRE error.
2016-06-26T17:18:08Z flip214: "BASE-PATH must be a pathname designator for an existing directory."
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2016-06-26T17:19:33Z rumbler31: does the directory it names exist?
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2016-06-26T17:22:15Z flip214: rumbler31: yes....
2016-06-26T17:22:21Z flip214: even with NAMESTRING before I get this error
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2016-06-26T17:23:35Z rumbler31: do you have the backtrace up?
2016-06-26T17:25:01Z flip214: rumbler31: never mind, I accidentally passed a pathname as third parameter to CREATE-FOLDER-DISPATCHER-AND-HANDLER instead of second... and so the content-type detection was broken.
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2016-06-26T18:14:04Z ejbs: drmeister: Between MPS and Boehm, which one did you find was the easiest to implement for Clasp?
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2016-06-26T18:39:22Z drmeister: ejbs: Boehm is easiest but MPS is better
2016-06-26T18:39:40Z drmeister: Boehm starts throwing up warnings after a few hours of operation.
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2016-06-26T18:47:59Z minion: jackdaniel, memo from rumbler31: the assign to so-far was in order to reset the search to the full pattern.  If I pop bytes-list as i go but get half way through and detect a mismatch, I need to continue my search in the stream from the beginning of the bytes list
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2016-06-26T18:49:53Z jackdaniel: minion: memo for rumbler: (defun xxx (a) (pop a)) when invoked as (xxx b) is essentially (let ((a b)) (pop a)) – b isn't affected
2016-06-26T18:49:53Z minion: Remembered. I'll tell rumbler when he/she/it next speaks.
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2016-06-26T18:55:12Z jackdaniel: minion: memo for rumbler31: (defun xxx (a) (pop a)) when invoked as (xxx b) is essentially (let ((a b)) (pop a)) – b isn't affected
2016-06-26T18:55:13Z minion: Remembered. I'll tell rumbler31 when he/she/it next speaks.
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2016-06-26T19:08:45Z rpg: Trying to install a new version of cmucl, when I try to run its lisp, I get "./lisp: No such file or directory" even though the file is there. Any idea what could cause this?
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2016-06-26T19:09:20Z rpg: There's a c. 527K file there.
2016-06-26T19:11:08Z rpg: Is there any chance that it's failing to find its lib/ directory and this error message is misleading?
2016-06-26T19:13:11Z phoe_krk: rpg: ./lisp
2016-06-26T19:13:19Z phoe_krk: This sounds like a local path.
2016-06-26T19:13:21Z rpg: oh, I see -- it's because it's a 32-bit executable on a 64-bit system.
2016-06-26T19:13:26Z phoe_krk: Oh! I see.
2016-06-26T19:13:32Z phoe_krk: What's your OS?
2016-06-26T19:13:47Z rpg: Wow.  That's a *really* PoS error message (not CMUCL's fault -- it's bash)
2016-06-26T19:14:23Z phoe_krk: I'm running 32-but CMUCL on 64-bit debian sid.
2016-06-26T19:14:41Z rpg: ugh. Wonder why cmucl doesn't offer amd64 binaries?
2016-06-26T19:15:12Z phoe_krk: rpg: because nobody compiled CMUCL for 64-bit systems?
2016-06-26T19:15:33Z rpg: I wonder if there's a reason (like it doesn't work).
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2016-06-26T19:15:49Z rpg: bah. I'll have to install the 32-bit environment.
2016-06-26T19:15:53Z phoe_krk: https://www.cons.org/cmucl/platforms.html
2016-06-26T19:16:10Z phoe_krk: If there wasn't a reason, you wouldn't even think of asking the question you're asking now.
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2016-06-26T19:18:47Z wgslayer: hi, any recommendation for an easy no-brainer solution for de/serializing clos objects ?
2016-06-26T19:19:13Z phoe_krk: wgslayer: conspack
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2016-06-26T19:21:00Z wgslayer: perfect, thanks!
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2016-06-26T19:29:40Z phoe_krk: How do I SIGNAL an error that actually breaks the application?
2016-06-26T19:29:53Z phoe_krk: SIGNAL alone returns NIL if the condition it signals isn't caught.
2016-06-26T19:30:43Z phoe_krk: Do I need to use ERROR with the symbol naming the condition type?
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2016-06-26T19:33:55Z phoe_krk: Oh, I see. INVOKE-DEBUGGER does the magic.
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2016-06-26T20:29:17Z jackdaniel: is the conspack better by some aspect than cl-store?
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2016-06-26T20:52:09Z shka: i like word "conspack" better
2016-06-26T20:52:13Z shka: ;-)
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2016-06-26T21:43:16Z monk_: hello
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2016-06-26T21:48:35Z monk_: i want to save with  (write-to-file (s "test.txt" :direction :output) (format "ş ")) where ş is not a character on my keyboard (german), but a "foreign" key, that i abbrev'd. but when i execute the code, it doesn't do anything. (working with emacs + slime)
2016-06-26T21:49:10Z monk_: does anyone have an idea, how to fix this?
2016-06-26T21:49:31Z monk_: (i am programming a vocabulary-trainer btw and need those special chars)
2016-06-26T21:51:50Z phoe_krk: monk_: what is WRITE-TO-FILE?
2016-06-26T21:52:06Z phoe_krk: It's certainly not a standard Common Lisp function.
2016-06-26T21:54:07Z groovy2shoes: is there some particular Web framework for CL that's the bee's knees, the way Rails is for Ruby?
2016-06-26T21:54:14Z monk_: sry, meant (with-open-file...)
2016-06-26T21:54:23Z monk_: phoe_krk:
2016-06-26T21:54:34Z phoe_krk: monk_: Where do you FORMAT?
2016-06-26T21:55:04Z phoe_krk: Do you (format s ...)?
2016-06-26T21:55:08Z monk_: omg, instead of copying, i typed it in here and forgot everything... sorry....
2016-06-26T21:55:14Z monk_: phoe_krk: yes exactly
2016-06-26T21:55:18Z monk_: i did that
2016-06-26T21:55:27Z phoe_krk: What does (UIOP:GETCWD) tell you? Is it the directory you expect it to be?
2016-06-26T21:55:38Z phoe_krk: Does the file already exist?
2016-06-26T21:55:46Z phoe_krk: What does WITH-OPEN-FILE return?
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2016-06-26T21:56:35Z monk_: phoe_krk: no it doesnt exist (i tried :if-exists :supersede also) and it doesnt return anything. the cursor just blinks in the next line
2016-06-26T21:56:50Z phoe_krk: monk_: ...blinks?
2016-06-26T21:56:53Z phoe_krk: Does the REPL hang?
2016-06-26T21:57:00Z monk_: (after like 5min it says "no space for another lisp symbol or smth like that)
2016-06-26T21:57:09Z phoe_krk: Something is going very worng.
2016-06-26T21:57:11Z phoe_krk: wrong.
2016-06-26T21:57:13Z monk_: yes it hangs, no "CL-USER>" anymore
2016-06-26T21:57:15Z phoe_krk: http://paste.lisp.org
2016-06-26T21:57:19Z phoe_krk: Give me the code you're using.
2016-06-26T21:57:36Z phoe_krk: You're most likely doing some infinite memory allocation loop if you end up with an error like this.
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2016-06-26T21:59:53Z monk_: phoe_krk: here it is: http://paste.lisp.org/display/319305
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2016-06-26T22:00:33Z phoe_krk: monk_: it works for me.
2016-06-26T22:00:46Z phoe_krk: What is the Lisp implementation and OS that you are using?
2016-06-26T22:00:51Z monk_: hmm maybe some encoding problems
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2016-06-26T22:01:08Z monk_: phoe_krk: i am using windows 10 with CLISP
2016-06-26T22:02:09Z phoe_krk: debian sid x64 here, tested on CLISP and SBCL. It works for me.
2016-06-26T22:02:26Z Grue`: oh boy, Unicode support in CLISP is awful
2016-06-26T22:02:43Z phoe_krk: Or that.
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2016-06-26T22:03:16Z phoe_krk: It's possible that the combination of raw C, Unicode and MinGW/whatever is used to make CLISP work on Windows produces weird issues.
2016-06-26T22:03:17Z Grue`: you really should probably just get SBCL at this point
2016-06-26T22:03:34Z phoe_krk: Grue`: actually, SBCL has unicode issues on Windows as well.
2016-06-26T22:03:37Z monk_: i only started with lisp and took clisp without thinking of it... so sbcl is basically preferred?
2016-06-26T22:03:56Z Grue`: they are comparatively minor
2016-06-26T22:03:56Z phoe_krk: For Windows and OSX, Clozure CL. Although SBCL works pretty well as well.
2016-06-26T22:04:11Z phoe_krk: Grue`: but I ended up meeting them face to face, so, you know.
2016-06-26T22:04:16Z phoe_krk: Weren't minor for me.~
2016-06-26T22:04:39Z Grue`: so did I https://bugs.launchpad.net/sbcl/+bug/1267540 but I worked around it ;)
2016-06-26T22:05:29Z phoe_krk: :P
2016-06-26T22:06:24Z monk_: so i'll install sbcl and report back to you... thanks :-)
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2016-06-26T22:06:38Z phoe_krk: no problem
2016-06-26T22:06:45Z phoe_krk: monk_: we're here for you
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2016-06-26T22:25:54Z Olixir: Is there about about programming that uses LISP?\
2016-06-26T22:26:24Z Olixir: I have never programmer before, I want to start with Common LISP
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2016-06-26T22:27:27Z _death: minion: tell Olixir about gentle
2016-06-26T22:27:28Z minion: Olixir: look at gentle: "Common Lisp: A Gentle Introduction to Symbolic Computation" is a smoother introduction to lisp programming. http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/LispBook/
2016-06-26T22:29:25Z Olixir: minion: I have much experince in computer hardware & software but I don't have skills in programming, I'd like to know if Common LISP is suitable for operating system development?
2016-06-26T22:29:27Z minion: i'm written in common lisp
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2016-06-26T22:32:22Z phoe_krk: Olixir: there's a WIP but working operating system written in Common Lisp
2016-06-26T22:32:28Z phoe_krk: minion: tell Olixir about mezzano
2016-06-26T22:32:28Z minion: Sorry, I couldn't find anything in the database for ``mezzano''.
2016-06-26T22:32:40Z phoe_krk: https://github.com/froggey/Mezzano
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2016-06-26T22:37:19Z monk__: hey, sry had to restart, so the PATH-variable renewed (that took me a while...)
2016-06-26T22:38:05Z phoe_krk: monk__: what's the progress?
2016-06-26T22:38:11Z monk__: phoe_krk: so, with sbcl  i get a somewhat better error message: https://justpaste.it/vnss
2016-06-26T22:38:59Z phoe_krk: monk__: yes, this is sane.
2016-06-26T22:39:12Z phoe_krk: You're trying to encode an Unicode character in a charset that doesn't have it.
2016-06-26T22:39:17Z Grue`: monk__: put (setf sb-impl::*default-external-format* :utf-8) in your .sbclrc
2016-06-26T22:39:21Z phoe_krk: ^
2016-06-26T22:40:04Z phoe_krk: And just evaluate the expression right now.
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2016-06-26T22:40:12Z phoe_krk: Or you can put this in the .sbclrc and restart.
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2016-06-26T22:42:51Z monk__: phoe_krk: nice! it worked
2016-06-26T22:42:54Z monk__: thank you!
2016-06-26T22:43:13Z phoe_krk: monk__: thank Grue` over there, he pointed it out
2016-06-26T22:43:24Z monk__: thank you too Grue` :-)
2016-06-26T22:43:48Z monk__: that really was a mess... and i tried and tried...
2016-06-26T22:44:06Z Grue`: it's just bad default, I don't know why it's there
2016-06-26T22:44:16Z Grue`: everything should be utf-8 by default!
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2016-06-26T22:45:47Z monk__: Grue`: how, and where can i set utf-8 to default? in emacs also? or did you mean the code, phoe_krk  mentioned?
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2016-06-26T22:46:10Z phoe_krk: monk__: there is the SBCL init file.
2016-06-26T22:46:22Z phoe_krk: Everything that's inside it gets executed at each SBCL startup.
2016-06-26T22:46:35Z monk__: ok i just put it in the .emacs file, because i didnt find that sbclrc :-)
2016-06-26T22:46:38Z phoe_krk: No no no.
2016-06-26T22:46:42Z phoe_krk: It won't work.
2016-06-26T22:46:58Z phoe_krk: Emacs configuration files are distinct from Common Lisp configuration files.
2016-06-26T22:47:06Z monk__: haha what a shame... then i'll search for it again
2016-06-26T22:47:08Z Grue`: .emacs is in a completely different programming language
2016-06-26T22:47:18Z phoe_krk: Grue`: I'd argue about "completely" ;D
2016-06-26T22:47:30Z Grue`: you don't have .sbclrc yet, or maybe you have if you installed quicklisp
2016-06-26T22:47:57Z phoe_krk: monk__: check in your user directory.
2016-06-26T22:48:29Z phoe_krk: (funcall sb-ext:*userinit-pathname-function*)
2016-06-26T22:48:38Z phoe_krk: The net tells me this should be working.
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2016-06-26T22:50:42Z monk__: phoe_krk: Grue` yeah, got it working with C-x C-f ~/.sbclrc. it created the file and loads it now i think :-)
2016-06-26T22:52:12Z monk__: thank you again :-)
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2016-06-26T22:57:11Z phoe_krk: monk__: no problem~
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2016-06-26T23:17:04Z monk__: I go to bed no, bye! Thanks for the help, I'll come back :-)
2016-06-26T23:17:29Z monk__: now*
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2016-06-27T05:53:25Z eMBee: how can i make a conditional :print-function for a struct? i want this function to be used if a certain condition is true, otherwise i'd like the default to be used...
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2016-06-27T05:56:39Z loke: eMBee: Just create a PRINT-OBJECT method for the type
2016-06-27T05:56:57Z shka: eMBee: defstruct by default creates class
2016-06-27T05:57:03Z shka: you can specialize for it
2016-06-27T05:57:21Z loke: something like: (defmethod print-object ((obj mystruct-name) stream) (if some-condition (format stream ...) (call-next-method)))
2016-06-27T05:57:44Z loke: shka: defstruct does not create classes. It creates structs. Both structs and classes are types, though.
2016-06-27T05:58:56Z eMBee: so in that case i don't use the :print-function argument to defstruct?
2016-06-27T05:59:07Z shka: :type
2016-06-27T05:59:47Z shka: loke: defstruct will create class for struct, unless you use :type option
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2016-06-27T06:00:53Z shka: in fact, i believe that implementation is even allowed use defclass as expansion of destruct in this case
2016-06-27T06:01:41Z shka: eMBee: both should work actually
2016-06-27T06:02:42Z shka: but when you define your method, you are actually redefining it
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2016-06-27T06:03:29Z eMBee: when i define it via the :print-function argument you mean?
2016-06-27T06:03:46Z shka: i ment defmethod
2016-06-27T06:04:14Z shka: ok, got to go
2016-06-27T06:04:16Z shka: take care
2016-06-27T06:05:18Z eMBee: oh? defmethod adds a new method that takes precedence over more generic ones, but call-next-method will call the next one that would have been called if i had not defined my own...
2016-06-27T06:06:19Z shka: for what type?
2016-06-27T06:06:29Z eMBee: l for my struct
2016-06-27T06:06:41Z shka: and you specialized your method for?
2016-06-27T06:07:33Z eMBee: the type of my struct, (defstruct series ...) (defmethod print-object ((series series) stream) ...
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2016-06-27T06:08:05Z shka: i see
2016-06-27T06:08:10Z shka: sorry i need to go
2016-06-27T06:08:14Z shka: just try it yourself
2016-06-27T06:08:25Z shka: should be easy
2016-06-27T06:08:41Z eMBee: thanks, i'll work it out, i just don't understand what you mean by both works. i can still use :print-function? to what end?
2016-06-27T06:10:32Z Zhivago: Well, defstruct creates classes which have a struct metaclass.
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2016-06-27T06:11:21Z Zhivago: So they are classes, but of a different fundamental form to those produced by defclass.
2016-06-27T06:12:13Z eMBee: related question: can i use the print-object method to redefine how symbols are printed?
2016-06-27T06:12:30Z shka: eeee i don't think so
2016-06-27T06:12:42Z shka: but never tried
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2016-06-27T06:13:13Z shka: btw, to be precise defstruct can also use :type list
2016-06-27T06:13:27Z shka: anyway
2016-06-27T06:13:29Z shka: i'm out
2016-06-27T06:13:32Z shka: really :D
2016-06-27T06:13:51Z eMBee: hehe, thanks again
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2016-06-27T06:32:33Z eMBee: so, (defmethod print-object ((symbol symbol) stream) doesn't do anything. i'll have to work around that, but i just realized i also need to redefine how lists are printed, is that possible?
2016-06-27T06:33:45Z eMBee: essentially i want to output a datastracture in a completely different format. classes and structs are easy because i can redefine the print-function, but it seems like i'll have to manually walk the data structure to catch everything else
2016-06-27T06:37:22Z Zhivago: Well, lists are composed of CONS.
2016-06-27T06:37:40Z Zhivago: You should be able to specialize print-object on the cons class.
2016-06-27T06:38:03Z eMBee: but then my print function is applied to every cons and not the list as a whole
2016-06-27T06:38:20Z Zhivago: Why would you imagine that?
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2016-06-27T06:38:38Z eMBee: hmm
2016-06-27T06:38:41Z Zhivago: Think about what a CONS is.
2016-06-27T06:39:01Z eMBee: right, i do get the whole list, so i can just process it, true
2016-06-27T06:39:25Z Zhivago: All values in CL have some class.
2016-06-27T06:39:41Z Zhivago: Although those classes may be broader than you like.
2016-06-27T06:39:46Z jackdaniel: eMBee: eventually you may specialize on cons, and in your method verify if it's a proper list (be careful with cycles) – if it isn't then call-next-method
2016-06-27T06:40:10Z jackdaniel: if it is, print it however you like
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2016-06-27T06:40:20Z eMBee: right, that's the step i was missing
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2016-06-27T06:40:45Z eMBee: symbol appears not to have a class, or at least specializing on symbol didn't work
2016-06-27T06:41:06Z jackdaniel: that said I'm not sure that hijacking the list printer is a good idea (basically everything assumes it behaves like it behaves, so if any package depends on this assumption you'll break it)
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2016-06-27T06:41:52Z eMBee: not a problem here, it's a very localized application, and every use is conditional
2016-06-27T06:42:16Z Zhivago: I'd suggest defining your own foo:print-object generic function.
2016-06-27T06:42:23Z jackdaniel: ↑
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2016-06-27T06:44:28Z eMBee: specializing on cons didn't work either, the method seems to be ignored
2016-06-27T06:44:58Z Zhivago: Ah, you're not allowed to put method on for system classes for print-object.
2016-06-27T06:45:04Z Zhivago: Make your own GF.
2016-06-27T06:46:20Z eMBee: how does that work, if i call (defgeneric print-object) will that replace the existing GF?
2016-06-27T06:47:05Z eMBee: and then i'll be responsible for handling every type?
2016-06-27T06:48:09Z jackdaniel: eMBee: what is your motivation to change the printer?
2016-06-27T06:48:16Z Zhivago: Put it in another package, and yes.
2016-06-27T06:48:33Z Zhivago: But you can always specialize a method on T which delegates to cl:print-object.
2016-06-27T06:48:51Z eMBee: ah, right, thanks
2016-06-27T06:49:41Z eMBee: jackdaniel: i want to translate i data-structure to a syntax matching a different programming language.
2016-06-27T06:50:48Z jackdaniel: eMBee: OK, so why not use a normal generic function without changing the printer? Like: my-different-programming-language-print
2016-06-27T06:51:20Z eMBee: because then i need to walk the datastructure on my own
2016-06-27T06:52:58Z jackdaniel: uhm
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2016-06-27T07:00:00Z Zhivago: Why is walking the data-structure a problem?
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2016-06-27T07:01:35Z eMBee: because there are classes involved, so i'd have to check each value and reassemble them manually
2016-06-27T07:01:49Z eMBee: it's nit a big problem, but extra work
2016-06-27T07:02:18Z eMBee: so i figured i start with transforming the types where i can and fall back to manual walking where it fails.
2016-06-27T07:02:31Z jackdaniel doesn't understand
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2016-06-27T07:04:59Z eMBee: walking a list is easy, but for an object i need to specify each slot and then print each value manually.
2016-06-27T07:05:21Z jackdaniel: usually when you print an object it doesn't print slots either way
2016-06-27T07:05:30Z jackdaniel: it's something like: #<booya>
2016-06-27T07:05:58Z jackdaniel: or #<booya {some-ref-number}>
2016-06-27T07:05:58Z eMBee: well, i already have a print-function for objects
2016-06-27T07:06:29Z jackdaniel: so you already walk it
2016-06-27T07:06:46Z jackdaniel: s/walk it/"walk it"/
2016-06-27T07:07:11Z eMBee: in a way, yes
2016-06-27T07:07:34Z jackdaniel: then I'm still confused
2016-06-27T07:07:40Z jackdaniel: but I need to go, good luck o/
2016-06-27T07:07:46Z eMBee: :-)
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2016-06-27T07:11:41Z Zhivago: You may be able to use a metaobject protocol to find the slots of an object.
2016-06-27T07:12:13Z eMBee: i already looked into that a long time ago without luck.
2016-06-27T07:12:42Z eMBee: so i already solved that issue
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2016-06-27T15:27:20Z TeaEdgeSea: Hi!
2016-06-27T15:28:02Z schally: hey
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2016-06-27T15:29:02Z TeaEdgeSea: schally: Is LISP usable for OS development?
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2016-06-27T15:29:36Z schally: well, there used to be lisp machines, but those aren't terribly popular anymore
2016-06-27T15:29:46Z schally: there are som other projects such as emacs
2016-06-27T15:29:55Z schally: and mezanno: https://github.com/froggey/Mezzano
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2016-06-27T15:30:19Z TeaEdgeSea: schally: Which LISP is best for OS Dev?
2016-06-27T15:30:42Z dlowe: Common Lisp is the best.
2016-06-27T15:30:51Z schally: ^
2016-06-27T15:30:53Z dlowe: disclaimer: This is the Common Lisp channel.
2016-06-27T15:32:15Z TeaEdgeSea: Is Common LISP the language with best metaprogramming paradigm?
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2016-06-27T15:33:27Z schally: Hard to say. clojure specifically has some nice tools regarding DSLs
2016-06-27T15:34:01Z schally: but there isn't that much difference wherever you go within lispy languages
2016-06-27T15:35:06Z schally: as opposed to the jump between many other languages and lisp
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2016-06-27T15:36:18Z TeaEdgeSea: schally: Should I write Lisp or LISP or lisp?
2016-06-27T15:37:34Z nydel: |:LISP|
2016-06-27T15:38:18Z oleo: i find it pretty disturbing to use bars for indicating case in lisp
2016-06-27T15:38:30Z oleo: bleh
2016-06-27T15:39:03Z TeaEdgeSea: Then why they wrote Common Lisp at top of this webpage, nydel?
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2016-06-27T15:42:41Z TeaEdgeSea: OOps! Sorry!
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2016-06-27T15:42:59Z isoraqathedh: Well, this is fun.
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2016-06-27T15:43:37Z isoraqathedh: You have to remove one of your keybinds, it seems.
2016-06-27T15:43:46Z TeaEdgeSea: yeah
2016-06-27T15:44:00Z TeaEdgeSea: So I was wondering if LISP is still alive?
2016-06-27T15:44:03Z isoraqathedh: Preferably using a text editor rather than IRC.
2016-06-27T15:44:19Z isoraqathedh: Of course it is.
2016-06-27T15:44:29Z isoraqathedh: (If by that you mean its successors.)
2016-06-27T15:44:38Z TeaEdgeSea: Nah, it is not even alive for AI
2016-06-27T15:44:59Z moore33: oleo: I know, but the escape syntax || isn't really for indicating case.
2016-06-27T15:45:23Z oleo: of symbols ?
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2016-06-27T15:45:59Z isoraqathedh: It's just to cancel any special properties that the character might have when lexing.
2016-06-27T15:46:11Z oleo: moore33: i was writing something of a matcher and am not working with strings......
2016-06-27T15:46:21Z moore33: What isoraqathedh said.
2016-06-27T15:46:36Z moore33: oleo: Whatever works for you.
2016-06-27T15:46:54Z moore33: But you might as well use strings.
2016-06-27T15:47:05Z oleo: welp, just for input
2016-06-27T15:47:18Z oleo: not for the rest, i could convert it internally
2016-06-27T15:47:23Z oleo: ja
2016-06-27T15:47:34Z oleo: like sexplode, simplode in maxima
2016-06-27T15:47:40Z oleo: hmmm
2016-06-27T15:48:03Z fe[nl]ix has set mode +b *!5d5bc20d@*.194.13
2016-06-27T15:48:03Z TeaEdgeSea [~quassel@pdpc/supporter/professional/fenlix] has been kicked from #lisp by fe[nl]ix (TeaEdgeSea)
2016-06-27T15:48:19Z mvilleneuve quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2016-06-27T15:48:35Z isoraqathedh: I have no idea why one needs to repeat that link so many times.
2016-06-27T15:48:52Z oleo: no idea too
2016-06-27T15:49:07Z oleo: anyway i have to fix my linux in order to get umlauts displayed again.....
2016-06-27T15:49:17Z oleo: something is gone totally fishy here.....
2016-06-27T15:49:22Z moore33: spammer is as spammer does
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2016-06-27T16:25:09Z Xach_: jackdaniel: can you clue me in more on mcclim's status? is the main branch of development suitable for quicklisp?
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2016-06-27T16:26:02Z oleo: Xach ?
2016-06-27T16:26:10Z Xach_: oleo: yello
2016-06-27T16:26:11Z oleo: which one ?
2016-06-27T16:26:17Z oleo: hello o/
2016-06-27T16:26:21Z Xach_: oleo: which one what?
2016-06-27T16:26:40Z oleo: the normal mcclim or some offshoot of it ?
2016-06-27T16:26:50Z oleo: beach is working on some i thought......
2016-06-27T16:26:57Z Xach_: oleo: the normal mcclim
2016-06-27T16:27:04Z oleo: well i have it
2016-06-27T16:27:11Z oleo: even in my repo in github
2016-06-27T16:27:20Z oleo: with my changes!
2016-06-27T16:27:52Z oleo: you said main branch of development however......
2016-06-27T16:28:19Z oleo: didn't know it is developed .....
2016-06-27T16:28:35Z Xach_: oleo: jackdaniel has been making changes and beach has been merging things too.
2016-06-27T16:28:44Z oleo: aah
2016-06-27T16:28:46Z oleo: super
2016-06-27T16:28:59Z oleo: sounds good, people are working on it :)
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2016-06-27T16:32:06Z jackdaniel: Xach_: master branch is OK for inclusion, yes
2016-06-27T16:32:25Z jackdaniel: Xach_: regarding clx-core I couldn't make it work even from before I've started working on mcclim
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2016-06-27T16:32:48Z jackdaniel: Xach_: generally I'm not going to merge to Robert's repository something I know that it doesn't build
2016-06-27T16:32:53Z Xach_: jackdaniel: mcclim-looks, mcclim-fonts, and mcclim-layouts also don't seem to work...
2016-06-27T16:32:57Z Xach_ double-checks
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2016-06-27T16:33:41Z jackdaniel: Xach_: generally mcclim had lately kind big change of asd system hierarchy
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2016-06-27T16:34:02Z Xach_: well, mcclim-looks is required by mcclim-clx but is not provided by anything
2016-06-27T16:34:27Z Xach_: mcclim-layouts is required by clim-examples
2016-06-27T16:34:32Z jackdaniel: Extensions/looks/mcclim-looks.asd
2016-06-27T16:34:54Z jackdaniel: and Extensions/layouts/mcclim-layouts.asd
2016-06-27T16:35:00Z jackdaniel: (it loads fine here)
2016-06-27T16:35:03Z Xach_: jackdaniel: https://github.com/robert-strandh/McCLIM/blob/master/Extensions/looks/mcclim-looks.asd ?
2016-06-27T16:35:20Z Xach_: That does not seem to define a system named mcclim-looks
2016-06-27T16:36:18Z jackdaniel: I see, but does anything depend on mcclim-looks, not ie mcclim-looks/pixie ?
2016-06-27T16:37:12Z Xach_: jackdaniel: I believe mcclim-clx depends on mcclim-looks.
2016-06-27T16:37:41Z jackdaniel: https://github.com/robert-strandh/McCLIM/blob/master/Backends/CLX/mcclim-clx.asd
2016-06-27T16:37:42Z Xach_: Oh, I see that it does use the slashed system.
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2016-06-27T16:37:52Z Xach_: Well, quicklisp doesn't support slashed systems very well, so that explains it.
2016-06-27T16:37:52Z jackdaniel: is it discouraged to use slashed systems?
2016-06-27T16:38:04Z Xach_: Fare encourages them, and some people use them, but it causes problems for me.
2016-06-27T16:38:04Z jackdaniel: I didn't encounter any errors, that's why I assumed its safe
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2016-06-27T16:39:29Z jackdaniel: if that's a problem then I may provide a separate asd file for each subsystem and change names
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2016-06-27T16:40:14Z Xach_: jackdaniel: I think at least for mcclim-looks, having a system named mcclim-looks in the system file might help
2016-06-27T16:40:25Z Xach_: jackdaniel: but i'm not sure, and perhaps it's not worth it just to satisfy quicklisp
2016-06-27T16:40:31Z MinnowTaur: hello everyone
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2016-06-27T16:40:56Z MinnowTaur: I have a quick question
2016-06-27T16:41:04Z shka: MinnowTaur: hi
2016-06-27T16:41:07Z jackdaniel: Xach_: I can provide a dummy mcclim-looks system. As pointed earlier I didn't encounter any problems (but I call register-local-projects frequently during development)
2016-06-27T16:41:09Z shka: feel free to ask
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2016-06-27T16:41:16Z MinnowTaur: I have two classes, each has an accessor with the same name
2016-06-27T16:41:34Z shka: MinnowTaur: no problem at all
2016-06-27T16:41:35Z MinnowTaur: I want to :use both these classes in a third package, but get a name conflict
2016-06-27T16:41:46Z shka: ah, i see
2016-06-27T16:41:59Z Xach_: Didn't we go over this last week?
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2016-06-27T16:42:01Z MinnowTaur: previously I would make a generic function in a third package, and :use that in both
2016-06-27T16:42:20Z MinnowTaur: but these accessors are generated by the defclass macro
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2016-06-27T16:42:28Z Xach_: MinnowTaur: no.
2016-06-27T16:42:49Z Xach_: MinnowTaur: defclass will easily add methods to an existing generic function if it is present. There is no extra syntax.
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2016-06-27T16:43:26Z MinnowTaur: Previously I would qualify the generic function extension by the package name in my class
2016-06-27T16:43:28Z Xach_: (defgeneric foo (object)) (defgeneric (setf foo) (new-value object)) (defclass bar () ((foo :accessor foo))) is a perfectly fine thing to do.
2016-06-27T16:43:42Z Xach_: MinnowTaur: so you can do :accessor baz:name too
2016-06-27T16:43:51Z MinnowTaur: ah
2016-06-27T16:44:06Z shka: MinnowTaur: does that help?
2016-06-27T16:44:10Z MinnowTaur: that does
2016-06-27T16:44:15Z shka: great!
2016-06-27T16:44:24Z MinnowTaur: :accessor baz:name is something I would expect to break things in another language
2016-06-27T16:44:36Z MinnowTaur: its nice that it all works in lisp
2016-06-27T16:44:44Z MinnowTaur: very clever
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2016-06-27T16:45:05Z MinnowTaur: Thank you again Xach_ !
2016-06-27T16:45:34Z Xach_: no problemo
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2016-06-27T16:49:16Z Xach_: MinnowTaur: i found it helpful to know that slots can have more than one accessor, or a mix of readers, writers, and accessors
2016-06-27T16:49:43Z Xach_: MinnowTaur: so a slot definition can help a single slot have methods that participate in more than one protocol
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2016-06-27T16:53:45Z jackdaniel: Xach_: I can provide for each system a separate asd (ie mcclim-looks-pixie.asd etc) or add dummy mcclim-looks system if you find it necessary – please let me know which option will be better in your opinion
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2016-06-27T16:57:39Z Xach_: jackdaniel: for my ease, separate .asd is best
2016-06-27T16:58:18Z jackdaniel: OK
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2016-06-27T17:00:34Z jackdaniel: Xach_: I'll take care of it tomorrow
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2016-06-27T17:02:53Z Xach_: jackdaniel: I think I will keep last month's mcclim so there will be some time to switch
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2016-06-27T17:13:19Z jackdaniel: OK, sounds reasonable
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2016-06-27T20:57:33Z jasom: possible to list systems in quicklisp that depend on another system?
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2016-06-27T20:58:17Z dlowe: yes, but I don't remember how. Check the exported symbols
2016-06-27T20:58:41Z jasom: dlowe: thanks, it's ql:who-depends-on
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2016-06-27T23:29:52Z rumbler31: yo lisp got an architecture question
2016-06-27T23:29:53Z minion: rumbler31, memo from jackdaniel: (defun xxx (a) (pop a)) when invoked as (xxx b) is essentially (let ((a b)) (pop a)) – b isn't affected
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2016-06-27T23:32:13Z rumbler31: minion: memo for jackdaniel: but if i pop a in the inner part of a loop, and need to start over again while in the loop, i need to reset a to whatever the original parameter was, right?  like i'm searching for abc in ffffffabffffabcffff.
2016-06-27T23:32:13Z minion: Remembered. I'll tell jackdaniel when he/she/it next speaks.
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2016-06-27T23:33:35Z rumbler31: minion: memo for jackdaniel: so if I find the first a, I pop a.  a is now '(b c). I find b, i pop again, a is '(c).  I find f, since if is not c, in order to continue scanning the string I need to reset A to be its initial state, which was the parameter passed in, that way as I go, I can discover the abc
2016-06-27T23:33:35Z minion: Remembered. I'll tell jackdaniel when he/she/it next speaks.
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2016-06-27T23:35:09Z rumbler31: I'm writing a program that is supposed to consume multipart data from an http server.  it is a networked audio/video codec
2016-06-27T23:36:56Z rumbler31: I'm making the frontend in js, so that I can pull/push audio to a browser, instead of get lisp access to the os audio api's directly.  I tried cl-portaudio and the demo didn't run well, and I don't have confidence that I have the chops to debug it yet, so instead I've targeted js in the browser and communicate with the image over a websocket
2016-06-27T23:37:04Z rumbler31: i have this part working, the websocket
2016-06-27T23:38:02Z rumbler31: i haven't every really written any program that has needed threads, so this will be the first
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2016-06-27T23:39:19Z rumbler31: the user will use the js frontend to initiate and stop audio being sent to and received by the end device.  are there any example programs you folks know if that I can use for reference, for at least the threading aspect?
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2016-06-27T23:42:35Z rumbler31: and while I could probably do without drakma in regards to receiving data, it seems convenient enough that it can supply a stream I can read from after the connection is made, and while I haven't found where in the docs this is described, I take it that I can call close on the stream when i'm done which will terminate the connection to the device, and subsequently check for open-stream-p or 'eof on the next read in order to finalize the data
2016-06-27T23:42:35Z rumbler31:  i've collected so far
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2016-06-27T23:46:03Z rumbler31: i initially tried making the stream supplied by drakma a global, and referencing that in the later created thread I made to process the data, this way I could initiate a close from the repl and see how the code behaved, but it seemed to behave funny, wherein data would be read but open-stream-p wouldn't return true, and for some reason there would be a read timeout on the stream.  but its also possible that my code was incorrect in other way
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2016-06-27T23:47:03Z _death: consider using lparallel or pzmq
2016-06-27T23:47:58Z jasom: rumbler31: while _death is correct that those are good, it's probably a good idea to get a basic understanding of how to use bordeaux-threads as well.
2016-06-27T23:48:17Z _death: also, may want to actually try to debug the portaudio issue.. learn to disregard "confidence" in that regard
2016-06-27T23:48:38Z jasom: and in fact, you will need to know bordeaux-threads (hereafter bt) in order to make threads to use with pzmq
2016-06-27T23:50:28Z rumbler31: ok, great all around
2016-06-27T23:51:17Z jasom: bt is a library to abstract away the implementation specific threads (e.g. sbcl vs clisp &ct)
2016-06-27T23:51:33Z jasom: but you still have things like threads and mutexes and all those low-level constructs
2016-06-27T23:52:12Z jasom: lparallel lets you setup a multithreaded job server; pzmq gives you interthread (or interprocess) communication without having to mess with mutexes and shared data.
2016-06-27T23:53:12Z rumbler31: and i'll give the portaudio thing another crack at some point
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2016-06-27T23:55:29Z jasom: I don't think lparallel implements any sort of sleep, so it's probably a poor fit for having long running jobs.
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2016-06-27T23:56:22Z rumbler31: hmm ok
2016-06-27T23:56:42Z _death: still you can use its product queue impl.
2016-06-27T23:57:23Z jasom: oh right, you can still use the lparallel implementation stuff without the job server
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2016-06-28T02:58:11Z John[Lisbeth]: Is '(A B C D) a list?
2016-06-28T02:58:55Z John[Lisbeth]: I realize it means (quote A B C D)
2016-06-28T02:59:11Z John[Lisbeth]: But there are some functions which seem to treat it like a list and my own do not seem to
2016-06-28T02:59:17Z pillton: It means (quote (A B C D)).
2016-06-28T02:59:55Z pillton: (listp (read-from-string "'(A B C D)"))
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2016-06-28T03:06:50Z pillton: John[Lisbeth]: You should set aside an evening and digest section 3.1.2 of the hyperspec.
2016-06-28T03:06:53Z pillton: clhs 3.1.2
2016-06-28T03:06:54Z specbot: The Evaluation Model: http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/03_ab.htm
2016-06-28T03:07:51Z pillton: It is really well written and should clear up any misunderstandings.
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2016-06-28T03:08:30Z beach: Good morning everyone!
2016-06-28T03:08:46Z pillton: G'day beach.
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2016-06-28T03:09:19Z beach: John[Lisbeth]: How about you show us a function that does not treat that as a list.
2016-06-28T03:11:37Z beach: John[Lisbeth]: Also, you need to be more specific in your terminology.  "Is xyz a list" is not specific enough.  Technically, it is just a sequence of letters.  After they are read, those characters are turn into the list (QUOTE (A B C D)).  After that list has been evaluated, the result is the list (A B C D).
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2016-06-28T03:13:14Z beach: In this case, every step yields a new list, but that is not always the case.  Take for instance the sequence of characters 'A.  After having been read, the result is the list (QUOTE A), and after that list has been evaluated, the result is the symbol A which is not a list.
2016-06-28T03:16:38Z beach: John[Lisbeth]: And, no, '(A B C D) does NOT result in the same thing as (QUOTE A B C D) when read.
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2016-06-28T04:07:43Z beach: John[Lisbeth]: It is always fascinating to attempt to help you, because you don't acknowledge that you have even seen the attempt, even less that you have understood it.
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2016-06-28T04:19:26Z Zhivago: By fascinating, he means that he feels as though he has been affixed to a flat surface with an impaling device.
2016-06-28T04:19:36Z alchmzt: he could just be afk
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2016-06-28T04:28:52Z beach: Let's say that were the case.  Then it is "interesting" behavior to ask for help and then go away.
2016-06-28T04:30:02Z alchmzt: reminds me of the IEEE article on decline of stackoverflow
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2016-06-28T04:30:35Z beach: That sounds interesting.  Do you have a link?
2016-06-28T04:30:45Z alchmzt: one category of problem users were "noobs" who asked for solutions rather than explanations
2016-06-28T04:30:47Z alchmzt: sec
2016-06-28T04:32:17Z alchmzt: –http://motherboard.vice.com/read/whither-stack-overflow
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2016-06-28T04:32:47Z alchmzt: Noobs are characterized by asking only the most basic-ass shit and seem to have no willingness or interest in learning anything. Don't teach me how to do something, tell me how to do something. I don't know how people like this get through their day as functioning adults.
2016-06-28T04:33:29Z beach: I see, yes.  Thanks for the link.  I'll definitely read it, but perhaps not right now.  I need to take a friend to the train station in a few minutes.
2016-06-28T04:33:32Z alchmzt: i think there are some parallels between the challenges stackoverflow faces and your average programming language irc channel
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2016-06-28T04:33:59Z beach: That definitely appears to be the case.
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2016-06-28T04:44:10Z pillton: Well, on the flip side, I'm sure these people are passionate about matters I couldn't care less about.
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2016-06-28T04:46:41Z loke: pillton: There is something depressing about today's supposedly English-speaking population when I see someone _not_ saying "could care less" and I'm actually noticing that as a thing worth noticing.
2016-06-28T04:49:54Z pillton: My ability to care has reached the bottom. It would be incorrect of me to state that my level of care could be lower.
2016-06-28T04:50:36Z loke: pillton: Exactly. But the prevalence of people saying the wrong thing is so common that somone using it correctly (like you did) is worthy of celebration.
2016-06-28T04:51:04Z pillton: Oh. I thought you were correcting me.
2016-06-28T04:51:11Z pillton puts the fists down.
2016-06-28T04:51:18Z pillton: :)
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2016-06-28T04:56:27Z beach: The native speaker of Swedish is praising the native speaker of English for his English.  Nice!
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2016-06-28T05:12:13Z jackdaniel:  hi
2016-06-28T05:12:13Z minion: jackdaniel, memo from rumbler31: but if i pop a in the inner part of a loop, and need to start over again while in the loop, i need to reset a to whatever the original parameter was, right?  like i'm searching for abc in ffffffabffffabcffff.
2016-06-28T05:12:13Z minion: jackdaniel, memo from rumbler31: so if I find the first a, I pop a.  a is now '(b c). I find b, i pop again, a is '(c).  I find f, since if is not c, in order to continue scanning the string I need to reset A to be its initial state, which was the parameter passed in, that way as I go, I can discover the abc
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2016-06-28T05:13:22Z jackdaniel: minion: memo for rumbler31: I haven't seen any restarting /inside/ your function
2016-06-28T05:13:22Z minion: Remembered. I'll tell rumbler31 when he/she/it next speaks.
2016-06-28T05:13:42Z jackdaniel: jasom: sounds like a good plan. I don't know what's the best method, depends on the context I suppose
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2016-06-28T07:17:10Z jasom: is it possible to get a byte-stream for standard-output?
2016-06-28T07:17:43Z pillton: SBCL, CCL and CMUCL provide a fd-stream.
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2016-06-28T07:18:02Z jasom: pillton: right, but it's not possible to do portably?
2016-06-28T07:18:17Z pillton: Well, there is flexi-streams.
2016-06-28T07:18:42Z jackdaniel: doesn't gray streams provide a binary stream?
2016-06-28T07:18:44Z jasom: pillton: how soes that let me do this?
2016-06-28T07:19:11Z pillton: You can create a flexistream on top of an existing stream.
2016-06-28T07:19:24Z pillton: The flexistream need not have the same element type as the underlying stream.
2016-06-28T07:19:52Z jasom: oh, nice
2016-06-28T07:21:07Z pillton: They aren't particularly fast. I rewrote what I was doing to use mkfifo(2) so I could use open.
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2016-06-28T07:23:09Z jackdaniel: Xach_: I've ensured that each file has a corresponding "dummy" system (https://github.com/robert-strandh/McCLIM/pull/45/commits/5077568e2af07a6fd1245bd321b078542aacbb9c) – I find it a lot cleaner than keeping each subsystem on a separate file. If that doesn't work I'll put them in the separate files. (if it does work though, I'd rather keep it that way after some thought – it's a lot cleaner for me
2016-06-28T07:23:15Z jackdaniel: that way)
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2016-06-28T07:58:43Z Guest76705: how to use asdf-install
2016-06-28T07:59:56Z jackdaniel: Guest76705: don't use asdf-install, use quicklisp
2016-06-28T08:00:06Z jackdaniel: asdf-install is obsolete and abandoned
2016-06-28T08:00:12Z jackdaniel: check quicklisp.org
2016-06-28T08:02:15Z Guest76705: thank you,but I find some softwares installed with it
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2016-06-28T08:02:36Z loke: Guest70401: What software are you looking at/for?
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2016-06-28T08:30:28Z obama: Who can recommend some open source software in common lisp
2016-06-28T08:31:25Z jackdaniel: obama: what are you looking for? http://www.cliki.net/Current%20recommended%20libraries
2016-06-28T08:33:46Z obama: @jackdaniel I want to learn to  develop in common lisp
2016-06-28T08:34:11Z jackdaniel: minion: tell obama about pcl
2016-06-28T08:34:11Z minion: obama: please look at pcl: pcl-book: "Practical Common Lisp", an introduction to Common Lisp by Peter Seibel, available at http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/ and in dead-tree form from Apress (as of 11 April 2005).
2016-06-28T08:34:35Z edgar-rft: <http://www.cliki.net/Getting%20Started> has a list of free books and tutorials
2016-06-28T08:34:56Z obama: thank you very much
2016-06-28T08:35:00Z jackdaniel: sure
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2016-06-28T08:52:04Z obama: In emacs slime sbcl deveplopment ,how to change the stacks'size,because sometime the stack overflow
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2016-06-28T08:57:09Z jackdaniel: press alt and : (abberv as M-: )
2016-06-28T08:57:39Z jackdaniel: and type: (setq inferior-lisp-program "sbcl --dynamic-space-size 10000")
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2016-06-28T08:58:19Z jackdaniel: (or whatever parameters you want, type sbcl --help in console)
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2016-06-28T11:48:01Z Grue``: is there a version of INTERSECTION that short-circuits when just one common element is found?
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2016-06-28T11:53:06Z jackdaniel: (remove-duplicates (intersection l1 l2))
2016-06-28T11:53:22Z jackdaniel: besides that – no, I'm afraid not
2016-06-28T11:53:46Z scymtym: Grue``: you could perform a non-local exit from the :test function when the common element is tested: (block nil (intersection '(1 2 3 4) '(2 3) :test (lambda (a b) (when (= a b) (return a)))))
2016-06-28T11:54:13Z jackdaniel: ah, I misunderstood the question
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2016-06-28T12:00:42Z obama: with emacs
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2016-06-28T12:17:39Z obama: when I use emacs 、slime and sbcl in windows 7 to write program that to read the content from a *.txt
2016-06-28T12:18:44Z obama: but it print ^m
2016-06-28T12:19:07Z alchmzt: ^M?
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2016-06-28T12:20:26Z obama: yes ,it reads the enter-line
2016-06-28T12:21:53Z obama: (let ((in (open "c:/cs.txt" :if-does-not-exist nil)))
2016-06-28T12:22:03Z obama: (when in
2016-06-28T12:22:30Z obama: (format t "~a~%" (read-line in))
2016-06-28T12:22:35Z obama: (close in)))
2016-06-28T12:22:55Z obama: ->1 2 3 4 5 ^m_
2016-06-28T12:23:28Z obama: the content in cs.txt is 1 2 3 4 5
2016-06-28T12:24:49Z obama: can you help me?@alchmzt
2016-06-28T12:25:04Z scymtym: sbcl does not support any newline encodings besides LF (a single byte 10). windows normally uses CRLF encoding (the sequence of bytes 13 10). when reading CRLF encoded input, sbcl interprets the LF (10) but leaves the CR (byte 13, shown as ^M in emacs) untouched
2016-06-28T12:25:18Z obama: my English is poor
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2016-06-28T12:25:47Z scymtym: there is no proper fix (besides fixing sbcl, see https://bugs.launchpad.net/sbcl/+bug/310185)
2016-06-28T12:26:16Z obama: @scymtym thank you very much
2016-06-28T12:26:32Z jackdaniel: you may parse it with babel, it has some eol parameter I think
2016-06-28T12:26:36Z scymtym: you can open the file the file with :element-type '(unsigned-byte 8) and use flexi-streams or babel on the result
2016-06-28T12:26:37Z alchmzt: obama: ^M is how windows wraps line endings
2016-06-28T12:26:47Z alchmzt: and emacs is probably using Unix line endings
2016-06-28T12:27:00Z alchmzt: so it is showing you that non-Unix line endings from a windows text file
2016-06-28T12:27:04Z alchmzt: s/that/the/
2016-06-28T12:27:17Z alchmzt: if you were to load a unix text file, the ^M wouldn't be there
2016-06-28T12:29:09Z obama: I prefer Windows but it sometimes does not work well as I wanted
2016-06-28T12:31:04Z scymtym: some common lisp implementations such as ccl (http://ccl.clozure.com/manual/chapter4.5.html#Line-Termination-Keywords) or clisp (http://www.clisp.org/impnotes/encoding.html#newline) have better support for different newline encodings
2016-06-28T12:31:28Z obama: I install the Ubuntu os in vmware to write program
2016-06-28T12:32:08Z obama: ok
2016-06-28T12:32:25Z obama: thanks a lot
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2016-06-28T12:33:46Z Grue``: obama: check STRING-RIGHT-TRIM
2016-06-28T12:34:14Z Grue``: obama: you should be able to use it to remove the CR character
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2016-06-28T12:35:15Z obama: ok
2016-06-28T12:35:20Z obama: it is right
2016-06-28T12:36:28Z obama: when i write it in ubuntu
2016-06-28T12:37:57Z Grue``: it will still be the same if you load a file created in windows
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2016-06-28T12:38:38Z Grue``: so if you need to support both line endings, you have to watch out for it
2016-06-28T12:40:30Z obama: thank you for your help@<Grue``>
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2016-06-28T13:39:49Z Xach_: jackdaniel: i'll give it a try
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2016-06-28T13:44:51Z jackdaniel: Xach_: thanks
2016-06-28T13:44:59Z jackdaniel: it's already merged to master
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2016-06-28T13:52:26Z ZombieChicken: Is SBCL an Ubuntu project now?
2016-06-28T13:54:13Z jackdaniel: ZombieChicken: many CL implementations are packaged on Ubuntu, but why do you think that it's "Ubuntu project"?
2016-06-28T13:54:21Z jackdaniel: they are also packaged on Debian, BSD's etc
2016-06-28T13:55:13Z ZombieChicken: jackdaniel: It's a reflex of seeing something on launchpad. It's kind of like cringing when I see something is hosted on freedesktop.org. No reason other than a vague coorelation between the two
2016-06-28T13:56:15Z jackdaniel: I think there is none
2016-06-28T13:56:29Z jackdaniel: in this occasion
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2016-06-28T13:57:10Z ZombieChicken: On a more useful note, is there an IRC client in CL out there? I noticed beirc, but I don't like GUI programs for IRC
2016-06-28T13:58:10Z p_l: nothing command line, I think, though cl-irc and shinmera's lib could be used for protocol side part
2016-06-28T13:58:13Z jackdaniel: ZombieChicken: there are dozen I think :-)
2016-06-28T13:58:17Z jackdaniel: check out the cliki
2016-06-28T13:58:29Z p_l meanwhile wonders at testing out writing hyper-v switch extension in CL
2016-06-28T13:58:40Z ZombieChicken: I did. It mentioned beirc and a few IRC libs
2016-06-28T13:59:01Z jackdaniel: oh, then maybe I'm wrong
2016-06-28T14:00:00Z ZombieChicken: I need a project to mess with, so maybe I should abuse an IRC server and see about writing a client
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2016-06-28T14:01:03Z jackdaniel: ZombieChicken: hack on McCLIM :-)
2016-06-28T14:01:30Z jackdaniel: or ECL, or something else I'm working on (yes, I try to lure you into stuff I tinker with to get things faster ;D)
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2016-06-28T14:02:05Z ZombieChicken: I doubt I'd so anything of interest to you
2016-06-28T14:02:17Z ZombieChicken: and ECL is my currently installed implementation
2016-06-28T14:02:54Z jackdaniel: ZombieChicken: I believe you have a lot to offer :) there are always gazillions of tasks smaller and bigger to do
2016-06-28T14:03:05Z jackdaniel: basically on any big enough OSS project
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2016-06-28T14:04:33Z ZombieChicken: Someone on another channel has gotten me into microkernels, and I was pondering some on whether it would be sane to embed ECL (or something similar) into a module so someone could write a driver in CL
2016-06-28T14:05:02Z jackdaniel: ZombieChicken: yeah, I was flirting with this idea for a long time
2016-06-28T14:05:12Z jackdaniel: (I was considering rump kernels for that)
2016-06-28T14:05:17Z ZombieChicken: jackdaniel: Look at Genode
2016-06-28T14:05:40Z ZombieChicken: jackdaniel: http://genode.org/ <- Might be worth talking to those people
2016-06-28T14:05:52Z ZombieChicken: I havn't looked too deeply into it, but it might be interesting
2016-06-28T14:06:10Z jackdaniel: it might be, but I didn't put my flirt into being due to the constant lack of time
2016-06-28T14:06:11Z TMA: ZombieChicken: a realtime garbage collector might be beneficial thing to have in this case
2016-06-28T14:06:23Z jackdaniel: I think I've read about genode some time ago
2016-06-28T14:06:57Z ZombieChicken: TMA: I was thinking CL would work for driver prototyping in that kind of a situation for what I imagine are obvious reasons
2016-06-28T14:06:59Z jackdaniel: rump kernels have that adventage that they might run from the userspace on linux/windows/bsd or on bare metal
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2016-06-28T14:07:22Z jackdaniel: (with a consistent interface for a driver/application
2016-06-28T14:07:24Z jackdaniel: )
2016-06-28T14:07:29Z ZombieChicken: Yeah. I talked to some people about it and apparently the implemention is kind of hackish
2016-06-28T14:07:40Z jackdaniel: uhm
2016-06-28T14:07:45Z ZombieChicken: and I think only NetBSD has support
2016-06-28T14:07:48Z ZombieChicken: but I could be wrong
2016-06-28T14:08:31Z ZombieChicken: (as I seemingly frequently am, so I should learn to stfu)
2016-06-28T14:08:59Z jackdaniel: either way I think it is a fine idea for ECL to embed it that way (in one kernel or the another), but it wouldn't be very easy especially due to dependencies on libraries: gmp, bdwgc and ffi
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2016-06-28T14:09:42Z jackdaniel: the last one is conditional, it would be quite easy to make ECL build without bignums (gmp), but a major effort has to be put to resurrect a garbage collector
2016-06-28T14:09:51Z jackdaniel: ecl had it's own, but it bitrotten over time
2016-06-28T14:10:07Z ZombieChicken: Perhaps it would make some level of sense to either A) create a smaller ECL using a subset of CL or B) package all the deps in the source tree ala Chromium
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2016-06-28T14:10:47Z jackdaniel: they are already packages, but I think that these libraries depend on POSIX interface (so aren't very suitable for kernelspace)
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2016-06-28T14:11:03Z jackdaniel: ecl should work on NaCL and pNaCL though
2016-06-28T14:11:09Z jackdaniel: (if we talk about chromium)
2016-06-28T14:11:24Z ZombieChicken: NaCL has portability issues iirc
2016-06-28T14:11:28Z p_l: ZombieChicken: interestingly enough, on linux you can already use any random language to implement a driver for many kinds of devices
2016-06-28T14:11:38Z jackdaniel: and pNaCL doesn't, that's why I have mentioned it
2016-06-28T14:11:39Z ZombieChicken: p_l: via the modules system?
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2016-06-28T14:11:48Z p_l: no, via VFIO system
2016-06-28T14:12:04Z p_l: SnabbSwitch uses that to take control of network cards, for example
2016-06-28T14:12:36Z jackdaniel: I've got to go now, if you are interested in getting involved with ECL there is an IRC channel #ecl, a mailing list etc. :)
2016-06-28T14:12:39Z jackdaniel: o
2016-06-28T14:12:41Z jackdaniel: o/ °
2016-06-28T14:13:16Z ZombieChicken: I have little interest in doing much of anything with the Linux kernel. Too many politics
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2016-06-28T14:13:28Z p_l: ZombieChicken: most people use that to connect physical hardware to qemu, but it can be also used for other tasks
2016-06-28T14:13:32Z ZombieChicken: and a complete lack of respect for anyone who isn't a member of the Old Boys club
2016-06-28T14:14:29Z p_l: https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/vfio.txt
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2016-06-28T14:15:23Z p_l: ehhh, politics are everywhere where you have more than one human
2016-06-28T14:16:00Z ZombieChicken: True, but there is a difference between how they are handled between different groups
2016-06-28T14:16:29Z p_l: as for the old boys club... not sure about it. There are, however, points that can result in flamewar that reaches public media. Interestingly, it usually involves chewing out certain old boys from Red Hat, sometimes involves banning their commits altogether
2016-06-28T14:17:25Z ZombieChicken: p_l: I was on the kernel mailing list for some time. It isn't exactly a civil place.
2016-06-28T14:18:08Z p_l: ZombieChicken: it has rather eastern european vision of what is civil at times, indeed.
2016-06-28T14:18:40Z ZombieChicken: and beyond that, I have concerns regarding the long-term viability of Linux. The kernel is just too huge imo
2016-06-28T14:18:54Z ZombieChicken: plus there are questions about what will happen with it once Linus steps down
2016-06-28T14:19:53Z p_l: ZombieChicken: it's still quite small in comparison to what it covers.
2016-06-28T14:20:05Z ZombieChicken: and apparently the concerns regarding microkernel performance have mostly been resolved and they now offer some significant advantages over the old monolithic kernel designs
2016-06-28T14:20:28Z ZombieChicken: p_l: I don't care what your coverage area is, 20+ million lines of code is a mess
2016-06-28T14:20:29Z p_l: ZombieChicken: most concerns regarding microkernels can be traced to the trainwreck called Mach
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2016-06-28T14:21:11Z p_l: since then, computing has evolved significantly. Neither is Linux the monolith from old comparisons, nor are microkernels the abomination that Mach turned out to be
2016-06-28T14:21:14Z ZombieChicken: Yeah. I had the pleasure of talking to a few people who worked on Big Iron who said as much
2016-06-28T14:21:29Z moore33: ZombieChicken: How would a microkernel approach reduce the amount of code in a kernel like Linux?
2016-06-28T14:22:08Z p_l: moore33: it would make 20M+ SLOC in one directory into 20M+ SLOC in probably few directories more
2016-06-28T14:22:24Z moore33: p_l: Sorta my thinking.
2016-06-28T14:22:28Z ZombieChicken: moore33: Look up the article on Wikipedia on microkernels
2016-06-28T14:22:55Z moore33: ZombieChicken: No thanks. I'd rather you answer the question, if you're interested in a conversation.
2016-06-28T14:23:02Z p_l: there's no code reduction inherent in microkernels themselves - just reduction in "ring 0" footprint
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2016-06-28T14:23:06Z jackdaniel: I think that the real adventage is a clear separation of modules, so if one driver has a stability issues you may reload it
2016-06-28T14:23:22Z ZombieChicken: That's one of the bigger advantages
2016-06-28T14:23:28Z p_l: jackdaniel: yeah, but that's also not exactly a microkernel-specific thing
2016-06-28T14:23:32Z jackdaniel: and (maybe in future) possibility of chaining such micro-kernels
2016-06-28T14:23:41Z jackdaniel: p_l: from what I've read it is
2016-06-28T14:23:42Z p_l: it's modularity thing and design-for-safety
2016-06-28T14:24:16Z ZombieChicken: moore33: I point you to Wikipedia because it explains things more eloquently than I would have
2016-06-28T14:24:26Z p_l: jackdaniel: most comparisons involve "statically linked single-process ring0 monolith" vs. "dynamically linked multiple processes in userland vs. small ring0 component"
2016-06-28T14:24:53Z jackdaniel: the latter sounds like a microkernel to me
2016-06-28T14:24:54Z p_l: jackdaniel: it does nothing for interdependencies between failing element and rest of the system
2016-06-28T14:25:08Z p_l: jackdaniel: the former doesn't exist except for some very old systems
2016-06-28T14:25:25Z p_l: though not sure if *BSDs still use single kernel process
2016-06-28T14:25:33Z jackdaniel: well, on linux everything runs on a kernel space
2016-06-28T14:25:40Z jackdaniel: and may write / read any memory it wants
2016-06-28T14:25:46Z moore33: ZombieChicken: Ok. I know what a microkernel is. I'm skeptical that a microkernel approach would reduce the number of lines of code in Linux, but I do see that it might make the code more resilient.
2016-06-28T14:25:48Z jackdaniel: or starve other processes in the kernel space
2016-06-28T14:26:34Z moore33: Is there any estimate of how many lines of code are likely to be "loaded" at any given time in Linux?
2016-06-28T14:26:34Z p_l: jackdaniel: you can starve processes of resources in any space (including starving processes of kernel space resources by userspace process, an ancient Mach bug)
2016-06-28T14:26:35Z ZombieChicken: to be fair, a reasonable kernel /should/ be able to restrict the threat of a rogue driver/module
2016-06-28T14:26:35Z jackdaniel: I don't know about BSD, but I've wrote a few Linux drivers (and adjusted a few others)
2016-06-28T14:27:12Z ZombieChicken: moore33: I seem to remember ~500k lines, but I can't remember exactly where nor how they came up with that number
2016-06-28T14:27:14Z jackdaniel: p_l: we're talking about the concept, not bugs while implementing these (especially that Mach is pretty old)
2016-06-28T14:27:27Z ZombieChicken: I'm also fairly sure it doesn't account for proprietary modules, either
2016-06-28T14:27:29Z p_l: a more important thing in terms of "reload a failed component" would be message passing orientation and/or PCLSRing
2016-06-28T14:28:19Z p_l: anyway, I'm an hour late in leaving work, so afk ;)
2016-06-28T14:28:29Z ZombieChicken: lol
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2016-06-28T14:37:43Z ZombieChicken: jackdaniel: I havn't tried to compile ECL by hand in awhile. Is it possible to have ECL compile without, say, the CLOS or other similar features?
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2016-06-28T14:40:53Z jackdaniel: ZombieChicken: some features may be disabled (checkout out ./configure --help)
2016-06-28T14:41:14Z jackdaniel: you can't disable clos now, but it was possible in some old versions
2016-06-28T14:42:11Z jackdaniel: I think that it would be possible to separate clos parts with some effort and make it compile without it. Note, that ECL is built from ecl_min (which is very minimal, without clos and many other things)
2016-06-28T14:42:52Z moore33: That would be no fun.
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2016-06-28T14:52:33Z ZombieChicken: moore33: Only reason I ask is, if someone decided to write a driver in CL, a minimal CL enviroment might be worthwhile
2016-06-28T14:53:09Z ZombieChicken: and being able to choose what features you need would let you choose what features you had, so if you aren't, say, using CLOS, you don't have to load the supporting code for it
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2016-06-28T14:54:57Z ZombieChicken: (Here I'm assuming they want an embedable CL implementation and that the E isn't there for legacy reasons)
2016-06-28T14:55:01Z p_l: The question would be if you really got anything out of removing CLOS
2016-06-28T14:55:22Z p_l recalls flavors involved in genera drivers
2016-06-28T14:55:34Z ZombieChicken: CLOS was just an example
2016-06-28T14:55:43Z moore33: ZombieChicken: Sure. Speaking personally, CLOS is one of the main attractions of CL, and I'd probably not be very interested in such a Lisp, but as a target for low-level code, why not.
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2016-06-28T14:56:38Z ZombieChicken: The other concern I have is how would you securly attach to (and just secure in general) the REPL the driver was running on
2016-06-28T14:56:43Z ZombieChicken: or in
2016-06-28T14:57:33Z oGMo: and the problem is CLOS is part of the rest of CL
2016-06-28T14:57:57Z oGMo: mostly demonstrating that picking bits to remove is hard
2016-06-28T14:59:21Z oGMo: ZombieChicken: i like the basic idea and i'm sortof working on something similar for games, but a low-level lisp first and CL second is probably the way to go
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2016-06-28T15:04:01Z ZombieChicken: Yeah. It might make more sense to make a minimal Lisp dialect and just focus on execution speed
2016-06-28T15:06:55Z oGMo: kinda
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2016-06-28T15:07:32Z oGMo: execution speed is definitely an issue, but the causes are more to do with allocation control and code gen; focus on those and you get the other
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2016-06-28T15:16:26Z ZombieChicken: jackdaniel: Can McCLIM handle CLI/Curses-style output
2016-06-28T15:16:28Z ZombieChicken: ?
2016-06-28T15:18:51Z moore33: ZombieChicken: Nope.
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2016-06-28T15:23:39Z ZombieChicken: That's too bad
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2016-06-28T15:27:22Z p_l: Technically it could
2016-06-28T15:27:34Z p_l: But one would need to write such driver first
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2016-06-28T15:46:04Z jackdaniel: clos isn't very tightly coupled with ECL, so yes, splitting it into module may be done
2016-06-28T15:46:36Z jackdaniel: regarding mcclim currently I'm working on fixing some issue with mirroring, after that I think that writing backend for ncurses should be doable (not easy though I suppose)
2016-06-28T15:47:44Z jackdaniel: moore33: I think that CLOS is just one more of the things Common Lisp has to offer (even if it's a dominating paradigm among the community)
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2016-06-28T15:49:10Z rumbler31: sup lisp
2016-06-28T15:49:10Z minion: rumbler31, memo from jackdaniel: I haven't seen any restarting /inside/ your function
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2016-06-28T15:54:48Z rumbler31: minion: memo for jackdaniel:  http://paste.lisp.org/display/319414 I don't have the original paste that I started this discussion with, but this is the version that now does what I need it to.  I'm of course ready to admit its sloppy.  but the innermost action is to reset the so-far list once a nonmatching character is read.  This behavior was in the original paste, where my original problem was that I was reading 1 too many bytes from the s
2016-06-28T15:54:48Z rumbler31: tream because I wasn't aware of the order in which do processes its inputs vs tests for loop termination
2016-06-28T15:54:48Z minion: Remembered. I'll tell jackdaniel when he/she/it next speaks.
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2016-06-28T15:55:36Z rumbler31: minion: memo for jackdaniel: I just need to get it working, then I can make it smarter and clearer etc
2016-06-28T15:55:36Z minion: Remembered. I'll tell jackdaniel when he/she/it next speaks.
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2016-06-28T15:59:22Z jackdaniel: I've pasted a working version for you, I don't have it anymore though
2016-06-28T15:59:23Z minion: jackdaniel, memo from rumbler31: http://paste.lisp.org/display/319414 I don't have the original paste that I started this discussion with, but this is the version that now does what I need it to.  I'm of course ready to admit its sloppy.  but the innermost action is to reset the so-far list once a nonmatching character is read.  This behavior was in the original paste, where my original problem was that I was reading 1 too many bytes from the s
2016-06-28T15:59:23Z minion: jackdaniel, memo from rumbler31: I just need to get it working, then I can make it smarter and clearer etc
2016-06-28T15:59:24Z jackdaniel: did you read it?
2016-06-28T16:00:02Z Grue``: rumbler31: your problem is that you modify bytes-list inside a function but it doesn't guarantee that the callee will see the modifications
2016-06-28T16:00:16Z rumbler31: yes, from your last paste.  I have it working, I meant all the rest of the code
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2016-06-28T16:00:34Z jackdaniel: Grue``: where does he modify bytes-list?
2016-06-28T16:00:37Z rumbler31: The caller of my function doesn't care about changes to the list of bytes to match.
2016-06-28T16:01:01Z Grue``: ah, I misread it
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2016-06-28T16:01:18Z jackdaniel: OK
2016-06-28T16:01:29Z rumbler31: i am strictly searching for a list of bytes in order as read from a stream.  when I find the bytes in order, I return
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2016-06-28T16:02:13Z rumbler31: if I read part of the bytes-list and then suddenly find a non-matching byte, I need to restart my matching,
2016-06-28T16:02:21Z jackdaniel: yes, I see it now
2016-06-28T16:02:40Z jackdaniel: was my annotation helpful wrt the DO construct?
2016-06-28T16:02:52Z Grue``: the code is kinda spaghetti-esque
2016-06-28T16:03:09Z jackdaniel: yes, I've fixed, but paste was limited in time unfortunately
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2016-06-28T16:03:13Z jackdaniel: so it's not accessible
2016-06-28T16:03:21Z rumbler31: jackdaniel: yes it was helpful.
2016-06-28T16:03:24Z jackdaniel: great
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2016-06-28T16:05:28Z rumbler31: grue:  unfortunately, at the time, I chose to read in a byte as a variable for the loop, and after this point I need to decide if I've matched the last character.  so I need to call return, because since the variable steps are evaluated prior to the end test, if I make the end test the check to see if my matching list is empty, then i'll end up reading one more byte from the stream than I need
2016-06-28T16:05:38Z rumbler31: i can probably do this a different way
2016-06-28T16:06:33Z rumbler31: and in the future I will extend how long my pastes live
2016-06-28T16:07:00Z jackdaniel: space is cheap, just keep it default (infinite time)
2016-06-28T16:08:29Z rumbler31: wil do
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2016-06-28T16:09:36Z rumbler31: what's everyone working on?
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2016-06-28T16:22:10Z beach: Good evening everyone!
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2016-06-28T17:18:21Z Xach_: jackdaniel: things look good to me
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2016-06-28T17:35:36Z zdm: does anyone have links to information about lisp machine hardware, specifically interested in anything detailing the cpu architecture
2016-06-28T17:37:05Z brfennpocock: UnLambda.com ?
2016-06-28T17:37:10Z shka: hello all
2016-06-28T17:37:21Z Xach_: zdm: joe marshall has some k-machine info
2016-06-28T17:37:32Z shka: zdm: lisp machines or perhaps also scheme chip?
2016-06-28T17:37:41Z shka: scheme chip is kinda interesting
2016-06-28T17:38:47Z zdm: anything interesting is fun
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2016-06-28T17:39:30Z shka: https://dspace.mit.edu/handle/1721.1/6334#files-area
2016-06-28T17:39:35Z shka: it is worth reading
2016-06-28T17:39:39Z zdm: brfennpocock: from what i see that doesnt contain anything about lisp machine hardware
2016-06-28T17:40:16Z Xach_: http://fare.tunes.org/tmp/emergent/kmachine.htm
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2016-06-28T17:40:24Z Xach_: https://sites.google.com/site/evalapply/ also
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2016-06-28T17:41:22Z shka: btw
2016-06-28T17:41:27Z shka: i
2016-06-28T17:41:39Z zdm: thanks Xach_, shka
2016-06-28T17:41:44Z shka: i'm kinda interested in 5 generation computer project from Japan
2016-06-28T17:41:55Z shka: but it is hard to find any info on the subject
2016-06-28T17:44:08Z jasom: bah
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2016-06-28T17:44:21Z DavidGu: I also recommend this site: www.loomcom.com/genera/genera-install.html
2016-06-28T17:44:34Z shka: btw
2016-06-28T17:44:45Z shka: i still WANT open source remake of this font
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2016-06-28T17:45:34Z jasom: write-sequence of '(30 40 50 70) to a flexi-output-stream works, but write-sequence of #(30 40 50 60) to a flexi-output-stream tries to write characters
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2016-06-28T17:47:16Z jasom: (map nil #'write-byte ...) works though
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2016-06-28T17:52:47Z jasom: s/#
2016-06-28T17:52:56Z zdm: never heard of this before shka, 5 generation computer project
2016-06-28T17:53:05Z jasom: s/#'write-byte/(rcurry #'write-byte outstream)
2016-06-28T17:53:34Z jasom: shka: Nobody likes to write about failures, and the Japanese, even more so
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2016-06-28T17:54:05Z shka: jasom: i consider it to be just a comercial failure
2016-06-28T17:54:14Z shka: for sure, it moved state of art
2016-06-28T17:54:30Z shka: probabbly not in a cost eficient way, but still
2016-06-28T17:55:42Z zdm: shka: found this, havent read it though obv: http://pages.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/%7Egaines/reports/MFIT/OSIT84/OSIT84.pdf
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2016-06-28T17:57:18Z shka: zdm: yeah, it is on topic
2016-06-28T17:57:23Z shka: didn't read it myself
2016-06-28T17:57:31Z shka: anyway
2016-06-28T17:57:47Z shka: ironicly, this project makes more sense NOW then in 80s
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2016-06-28T18:00:00Z jasom: yeah, though I wonder about the effectiveness of commited choice
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2016-06-28T18:01:05Z shka: it is interesting, nontheless
2016-06-28T18:01:27Z shka: i'm sicked of standard architectures
2016-06-28T18:01:39Z shka: it seems that innovation left the industry
2016-06-28T18:02:09Z jasom: yeah, I like esoteric architectures too.  standard architectures make the tradeoff of "actually working" in exchange for "stuck in a local maximum"
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2016-06-28T18:08:20Z JuanDaugherty: and at the underlying cause, IT short burnout
2016-06-28T18:08:36Z JuanDaugherty: otherwise you'd have community memory
2016-06-28T18:09:00Z jackdaniel: Xach_: fantastic, thanks
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2016-06-28T18:36:15Z rumbler3_: anyone who uses macports to satisfy dependencies for common lisp libraries that are cffi wrappers on such dependencies, how do you have your development environment set up? as in, do you tell cffi where to look for the macports libraries, or do you set environment variables instead
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2016-06-28T18:41:21Z ZombieChicken: shka: The problem is who is going to buy something entirely new. Consumers have to wait for things to trickle down from HPC and Mainframes down into our little world of runoff
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2016-06-28T19:09:27Z rumbler3_: jasom: specifically DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH I take it?
2016-06-28T19:12:37Z oleo: what is DY ?
2016-06-28T19:13:22Z jasom: rumbler3_: LD_LIBRARY_PATH I think.  I don't do a lot of work on my mac anymore; it's so long-in-the-tooth that I just remote into my workstation
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2016-06-28T19:46:10Z rumbler3_: DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH is what the dynamic library loader in macos uses to locate libraries that might not reside in the system-default locations.  however with macports libraries i'm being told that this is almost never what you want to do, and instead write your linker steps such that explicit paths to the binaries are used and the binaries themselves have either absolute or relative paths to their dependencies baked in, and if the latter of th
2016-06-28T19:46:10Z rumbler3_: is needs to be reworked for your needs then so be it
2016-06-28T19:46:15Z rumbler3_: *loosely
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2016-06-28T19:47:48Z ZombieChicken: On Linux, if a lib you need isn't in the normal locations, you can use LD_PRELOAD to "fix" that issue
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2016-06-28T19:49:54Z rumbler3_: on macos all this hackery seems to be necessary because there isn't a canonical package manager, so you have to manage the macports and system default spaces explicitly.  I'm hoping that when I finally switch to linux that I won't have to deal with this and simply tell people to go to their repo for the dependencies
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2016-06-28T19:50:35Z ZombieChicken: rumbler3_: Isn't there quicklisp to handle Lisp deps anyways?
2016-06-28T19:51:02Z Xach_: ZombieChicken: quicklisp doesn't manage the C libraries on which some CL projects rely
2016-06-28T19:51:04Z rumbler3_: well yes, but when your dep is actually a cffi wrapper, the underlying lib needs to somehow make its way onto your ssytem
2016-06-28T19:51:23Z Xach_: one reason i really like pure lisp projects
2016-06-28T19:51:28Z rumbler3_: mee too...
2016-06-28T19:51:52Z rumbler3_: minion: help
2016-06-28T19:51:53Z minion: There are multiple help modules. Try ``/msg minion help kind'', where kind is one of: "lookups", "helping others", "adding terms", "aliasing terms", "forgetting", "memos", "avoiding memos", "nicknames", "goodies", "eliza", "advice", "apropos", "acronyms".
2016-06-28T19:52:05Z ZombieChicken: On another subject, someone linked me to a Lisp style guide ages ago and I've lost it. Anyone have a similar document?
2016-06-28T19:52:16Z rumbler3_: google has one I think
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2016-06-28T19:52:53Z ZombieChicken: rumbler3_: The one I'm thinking of was apparently well regarded enough it was almost treated as THE style guide
2016-06-28T19:54:04Z mordocai: ZombieChicken: http://www.cs.umd.edu/%7Enau/cmsc421/norvig-lisp-style.pdf
2016-06-28T19:54:09Z mordocai: Probably what you are looking for
2016-06-28T19:54:10Z rumbler3_: well as in, http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/1098
2016-06-28T19:54:12Z rumbler3_: this?
2016-06-28T19:54:52Z mordocai: Mine and rumbler3's are basically the same thing with different formatting I think maybe?
2016-06-28T19:55:03Z mordocai: By the same people, in any case
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2016-06-28T19:55:18Z ZombieChicken: That might be it. It has been awhile since I saw it
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2016-06-28T20:07:21Z reb`: Google's style guide:  https://google.github.io/styleguide/lispguide.xml
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2016-06-28T21:40:12Z mordocai: I'm wanting to use meetup's REST API to query some data then do some number and date crunching on it. Any particularly good date libraries you guys can recommend? I'm going to be trying to infer what rules a meetup uses to schedule meetings (every first thursday, every Xth day of the month, etc). How about good rest client libraries?
2016-06-28T21:40:46Z mordocai: s/you guys/you/ . Meant to be inclusive.
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2016-06-28T21:57:42Z mordocai: Currently looking at drakma, cl-json, and local-time
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2016-06-29T01:18:12Z Chanku: Hey so I'm having some issue understand slots for classes...
2016-06-29T01:19:00Z Petit_Dejeuner: What about them?
2016-06-29T01:19:11Z Chanku: I don't know
2016-06-29T01:19:14Z Chanku: it's just not clicking for me
2016-06-29T01:19:52Z Petit_Dejeuner: They're similar to fields or member variables in other languages.
2016-06-29T01:20:19Z Chanku: :|
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2016-06-29T01:22:12Z Petit_Dejeuner: Chanku: What other languages do you know?
2016-06-29T01:22:17Z Chanku: Python 3
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2016-06-29T01:27:32Z Petit_Dejeuner: Chanku: In Python you have to refer to isntance variables with self, right?
2016-06-29T01:27:39Z Chanku: yes
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2016-06-29T01:28:26Z Petit_Dejeuner: In Python, variables are not explicitly declared. Python programmers don't have to say a class must contain certain values. Python programmers just initialize everything in the constructor.
2016-06-29T01:28:42Z Chanku: alright
2016-06-29T01:29:07Z Petit_Dejeuner: In languages such as C#, Java, and Common Lisp, classes must have every variable they use declared in the class declaration.
2016-06-29T01:29:19Z Chanku: alright.
2016-06-29T01:29:22Z Petit_Dejeuner: Make sense?
2016-06-29T01:29:27Z Chanku: yeah
2016-06-29T01:29:35Z Petit_Dejeuner: A slot is just a place you can put something.
2016-06-29T01:29:51Z Chanku: So a slot can be anything that holds a value
2016-06-29T01:30:03Z Chanku: a variable, function, or another class?
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2016-06-29T01:38:18Z Petit_Dejeuner: Chanku: A slot declares a spot for a value.
2016-06-29T01:38:34Z Petit_Dejeuner: If a class has an 'x' slot and a 'y' slot, the two slots could contain anything.
2016-06-29T01:38:39Z Petit_Dejeuner: But there are only two.
2016-06-29T01:38:42Z phadthai: On the other hand, CLOS also allows live modification of classes with means to as necessary specify how existing instances should be migrated
2016-06-29T01:39:01Z Petit_Dejeuner: ^Yes, if you ever need to change things without restarting your program.
2016-06-29T01:39:55Z Chanku: How would live modification work?
2016-06-29T01:40:22Z Petit_Dejeuner: The hyperspec (standard) goes into detail. I've never needed to do it.
2016-06-29T01:40:43Z Chanku: okay.
2016-06-29T01:41:03Z Chanku: So how would inheritance work then with that?
2016-06-29T01:41:13Z phadthai: and of course hash tables, or abtractions can be used if needing dynamic objects without a hard definition; there are also property and association lists
2016-06-29T01:41:29Z Petit_Dejeuner: Chanku: If I'm not mistaken. The slots are inherited too.
2016-06-29T01:41:33Z Petit_Dejeuner: When you design a class, you need to specify the methods AND the variables. This is the point to take away.
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2016-06-29T01:41:42Z Chanku: alright
2016-06-29T01:41:52Z Chanku: and so the slots from an inherited class do not need to be defined?
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2016-06-29T01:42:07Z Petit_Dejeuner: They do not need to be redefined.
2016-06-29T01:42:14Z Petit_Dejeuner: They should be inehrited along with the methods.
2016-06-29T01:42:15Z Petit_Dejeuner: well
2016-06-29T01:42:17Z Chanku: alright
2016-06-29T01:42:21Z Petit_Dejeuner: as much as methods are inehrited in clos
2016-06-29T01:42:34Z Petit_Dejeuner: classes don't really contain methods
2016-06-29T01:42:39Z axion: thenice thing is methods are not attached to classes. the same method can affect instances of multiple classes.
2016-06-29T01:42:39Z Chanku: alright...
2016-06-29T01:43:02Z Petit_Dejeuner: and if you want Python style classes for some legitimate reason, look at what phadthai wrote
2016-06-29T01:43:14Z phadthai: for more details, you'll find various CLOS guides, and even MOP (meta object protocol) ones, the latter allowing reflection with classes
2016-06-29T01:43:38Z phadthai: the latter also allowing classes to be an abstraction for persistent database objects and the like
2016-06-29T01:43:43Z Chanku: Now is there a way to define a slot having a default value?
2016-06-29T01:43:47Z Petit_Dejeuner: YES
2016-06-29T01:43:50Z axion: yes with :initform
2016-06-29T01:44:15Z Petit_Dejeuner: And you can also give it a default way to read the value from the object and update it.
2016-06-29T01:44:19Z Petit_Dejeuner: a default method
2016-06-29T01:44:20Z Petit_Dejeuner: er
2016-06-29T01:44:26Z Chanku: now lets say I have class A that has a set of slots with default values, but I have class B that needs to change a few of those values...how would that happen?
2016-06-29T01:44:47Z Petit_Dejeuner: When does class B need to change them?
2016-06-29T01:45:03Z Petit_Dejeuner: Class B is a subclass with different initial values?
2016-06-29T01:45:04Z axion: class B would inherit class a with new :initform values
2016-06-29T01:45:55Z Chanku: Lets say I have Enemy A and I want to make a variant of it, maybe make the variant the same but slightly stronger.
2016-06-29T01:46:51Z axion: (defclass enemy-a () ((hit-points :initform 10))) (defclass enemy-b (enemy-a) ((hit-points :initform 30)))
2016-06-29T01:47:06Z Chanku: alright
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2016-06-29T01:47:29Z Chanku: So how exactly do methods fit into that?
2016-06-29T01:48:20Z Petit_Dejeuner: Chanku: A guide would do you more help than IRC at this point.
2016-06-29T01:48:29Z Chanku: Alright
2016-06-29T01:48:35Z phadthai: CLOS is special for methods; they are generic functions, which can be dispatched on types; I also recommend reading a tutorial on CLOS and generic functions
2016-06-29T01:48:36Z Chanku: well I think I understand enough now
2016-06-29T01:48:45Z Chanku: thanks
2016-06-29T01:48:57Z Petit_Dejeuner: Chanku: http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/object-reorientation-generic-functions.html
2016-06-29T01:49:00Z axion: well for starters, in addition to :initform for initial values of slots, you would likely want slots to have reader, writer, or accessor methods for accessing that data nicely. but yes, i recommend reading Practical Common Lisp's chapter on this. It is very informative and easily digestable
2016-06-29T01:49:03Z Petit_Dejeuner: Chapters 16 and 17
2016-06-29T01:49:08Z Chanku: For some reason I just wasn't really understanding Slots...although that was probably because I was coming from a Python standpoint
2016-06-29T01:49:12Z Chanku: and yeah I've read through that
2016-06-29T01:49:16Z Petit_Dejeuner: REally?
2016-06-29T01:49:21Z Chanku: But I always got lost when it came to slots :|
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2016-06-29T01:49:58Z axion: Don't give up. I too came from Python about a decade ago and haven't had the slightest urge to look back
2016-06-29T01:49:59Z Petit_Dejeuner: axion: The problem is he comes from Python, so he isn't used to the private/protected/public stuff and declarations.
2016-06-29T01:50:04Z axion: Just read that book :)
2016-06-29T01:50:05Z Petit_Dejeuner: No use for slots.
2016-06-29T01:50:08Z Petit_Dejeuner: No use for readers.
2016-06-29T01:50:08Z Petit_Dejeuner: :(
2016-06-29T01:50:37Z Chanku: To be fair I initially learned Java on my own
2016-06-29T01:50:54Z Petit_Dejeuner: That might make things easier to explain.
2016-06-29T01:50:54Z Chanku stares into the distance and looks upset
2016-06-29T01:50:56Z Chanku: the horror
2016-06-29T01:50:59Z phadthai: hyperspec: 7.6 Generic Functions and Methods
2016-06-29T01:51:02Z Petit_Dejeuner: Yes, it is annoying.
2016-06-29T01:51:14Z Chanku: But it's been about a year or two since I've used it...would not recommend Java for anyone starting programming
2016-06-29T01:52:03Z Chanku: I also went to Lua for a bit (Lua is also awesome. It's very flexible...)
2016-06-29T01:52:24Z Petit_Dejeuner: I'm curious. What did you use Lua for?
2016-06-29T01:52:31Z Petit_Dejeuner: Gary's Mod, Love2D?
2016-06-29T01:52:34Z Chanku: Minetest :P
2016-06-29T01:52:51Z Chanku: Well that was the second time. The first time I heard about it and wanted to check it out
2016-06-29T01:52:59Z Petit_Dejeuner: MineCraft mod?
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2016-06-29T01:53:25Z Chanku: minetest
2016-06-29T01:53:27Z Chanku: not minecraft :P
2016-06-29T01:53:37Z Chanku: (I learned Java for minecraft modding at first :P )
2016-06-29T01:54:39Z Petit_Dejeuner: Ah, this is all cool. If you want to talk about more off topic, ping me in #lispcafe.
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2016-06-29T03:56:58Z jasom: TIL that flex:vector-input-stream is not of type flex:flexi-input-stream
2016-06-29T03:57:19Z jasom: so you can't use unread-byte on an in-memory stream
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2016-06-29T04:10:48Z jasom: pillton: FWIW  you cannot make a flexi-stream on top of an existin character stream as you implied.  The underlying stream must be binary or bivalent
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2016-06-29T04:12:23Z jasom: which leads me back to my original question.  Has anyone gone to the trouble of writing a library for writing binary data to *standard-output*
2016-06-29T04:13:07Z jasom: Near as I can tell it would have to be nearly all implementation specific code (it would be trivial for implementations like sbcl where *standard-output* defaults to bivalent)
2016-06-29T04:15:18Z jasom: some form of portable FD streams would also work, I suppose.
2016-06-29T04:15:46Z jasom: which osicat has I think.
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2016-06-29T04:52:50Z alchmzt: that moment when you realize your code wasn't wrong, the documentation was
2016-06-29T04:53:22Z Zhivago: One reason that I like tests-as-documentation.
2016-06-29T04:53:38Z alchmzt: oh yeh, i read tests all the time to figure out how stuff works
2016-06-29T04:53:59Z alchmzt: the docs are usually no more than function definitions, the tests show me real examples
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2016-06-29T05:02:15Z aries_liuxueyang: hello?
2016-06-29T05:02:28Z Zhivago: no?
2016-06-29T05:02:34Z alchmzt: echo echo echo echoooo
2016-06-29T05:02:35Z aries_liuxueyang: anyone knows how to configure emacs like this: http://i.stack.imgur.com/Lai03.png
2016-06-29T05:02:36Z aries_liuxueyang: I think it's awesome.
2016-06-29T05:02:55Z Zhivago: I don't know how to configure emacs like a png.
2016-06-29T05:03:06Z jasom: aries_liuxueyang: perhaps ask in #emacs?
2016-06-29T05:03:07Z alchmzt: what year is this
2016-06-29T05:03:11Z aries_liuxueyang: ;-)
2016-06-29T05:03:43Z alchmzt: spacemacs for win
2016-06-29T05:04:01Z aries_liuxueyang: you use spacemacs?
2016-06-29T05:04:17Z alchmzt: i use many things
2016-06-29T05:04:18Z Zhivago: It is the year of the confused squid.
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2016-06-29T05:05:49Z aries_liuxueyang: ...
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2016-06-29T05:09:00Z beach: Good morning everyone!
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2016-06-29T05:10:08Z jasom: good morning beach
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2016-06-29T05:10:25Z pillton: jasom: Ok. Sorry. I did it on a stream returned from an implementation's run-program.
2016-06-29T05:10:48Z jasom: pillton: no worries, just wanted to let you know
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2016-06-29T05:11:56Z jasom: several implementations use bivalent streams for *standard-output* as well; so far in my testing only CCL doesn't
2016-06-29T05:13:26Z pillton: You could pipe it through a base64 decoder. :)
2016-06-29T05:13:34Z obama: How to start the game "breakout",I find it with youtube
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2016-06-29T05:14:46Z obama: https://github.com/twitter/BreakoutDetection
2016-06-29T05:15:06Z obama: you can find it in https://github.com/twitter/BreakoutDetection
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2016-06-29T05:16:05Z obama: (ql:quickload :breakout) it prints "can find "
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2016-06-29T05:17:09Z obama: "system breakout not found"
2016-06-29T05:18:43Z obama: sorry ,the link is wrong
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2016-06-29T05:20:39Z obama: the link is https://github.com/sebity/breakout
2016-06-29T05:21:13Z alchmzt: probably need to install it somewhere
2016-06-29T05:21:15Z obama: you can find it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riVMHuKYJnc
2016-06-29T05:21:43Z alchmzt: you can download and put into ~/quicklisp/local-projects/breakout
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2016-06-29T05:21:58Z alchmzt: then try (ql:quickload :breakout)
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2016-06-29T05:22:45Z obama: @alchmzt thank you ,I will try it
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2016-06-29T05:22:54Z alchmzt: if it's not available via quicklisp, quicklisp can load a local package if it's in the default quicklisp search path
2016-06-29T05:23:21Z alchmzt: obama: https://www.darkchestnut.com/2016/quicklisp-load-personal-projects-from-arbitrary-locations/
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2016-06-29T05:25:01Z obama: 谢谢
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2016-06-29T05:58:28Z jasom: pillton: heh, I already thought of the base64 solution.
2016-06-29T05:58:55Z jasom: I think I need to write "Why lisp isn't an acceptable scripting language"
2016-06-29T05:59:44Z jasom: It's going to be easier to just bundle busybox with the windows version than to port these fairly simple scripts to lisp.
2016-06-29T06:02:15Z pillton: jasom: Yeah. It is a bit frustrating. Like I said, I switched to using fifos.
2016-06-29T06:03:04Z jasom: I also like CCL's error message when I try to send binary data to stdout: Error: 104 doesn't match array element type of "".
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2016-06-29T06:04:44Z jasom: although I have a solution now.  For CCL, use an FD stream to fd #1, for all other lisps just write the damn byte.
2016-06-29T06:05:24Z jasom: anyone know if lispworks has bivalent stdin?
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2016-06-29T06:05:58Z jasom: cmucl derivatives, allegro, and ecl all appear to have one
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2016-06-29T06:07:32Z pillton: I think the way the CL stream protocol encapsulates an I/O primitive object and an element type is a mistake.
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2016-06-29T06:22:29Z jasom: agreed
2016-06-29T06:22:43Z jasom: well sort-of
2016-06-29T06:23:38Z jasom: I think associating an *encoding* with a stream is good; if all streams implemented both read-char and read-byte and carried an encoding things would be nicer
2016-06-29T06:27:59Z pillton: I think there should be "simple-streams" with element types of bit and (unsigned-byte 8). All other streams are constructed from these simple streams and allow users to access the simple stream from the "complex" stream.
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2016-06-29T06:52:47Z DavidGu_Desktop: I was working on building a mirror site for Quicklisp, occasionally fount it
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2016-06-29T10:26:42Z Xach_: DavidGu: to be announced today
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2016-06-29T10:35:24Z DavidGu: Xach_: greate :)
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2016-06-29T13:13:34Z alchmzt: i'm having a brain fart
2016-06-29T13:13:48Z alchmzt: how do i (gethash "stringkey" *hashtable*)
2016-06-29T13:14:18Z Xach_: alchmzt: just like that. but the table must be created with the appropriate test for string comparison.
2016-06-29T13:14:28Z Xach_: alchmzt: the default test, eql, is not appropriate
2016-06-29T13:14:36Z alchmzt: at creation time?
2016-06-29T13:14:55Z Xach_: Yes, as an option to make-hash-table.
2016-06-29T13:15:12Z alchmzt: i remember seeing :test #'string= somewhere
2016-06-29T13:15:36Z Xach_: That is not one of the standard hash table tests. For strings, I use EQUAL or EQUALP, depending on whether case-sensitivity is needed.
2016-06-29T13:15:43Z alchmzt: k
2016-06-29T13:16:18Z alchmzt: what if it's from a hash table i didnt manually create
2016-06-29T13:16:26Z alchmzt: ie, a ht resulting from a decoded json string
2016-06-29T13:16:46Z Grue``: the decoder is incorrect then
2016-06-29T13:17:17Z alchmzt: oh
2016-06-29T13:17:24Z Xach_: alchmzt: what do you get from (hash-table-test table)?
2016-06-29T13:17:24Z alchmzt: i think i know where the prob is
2016-06-29T13:17:27Z Grue``: json object keys are supposed to be strings, so the hash-table must be able to work on strings
2016-06-29T13:17:35Z alchmzt: i'm merging tables, so it's a prob on my end
2016-06-29T13:17:42Z alchmzt is guilty
2016-06-29T13:18:08Z alchmzt: Xach_: EQL
2016-06-29T13:18:33Z Xach_: alchmzt: that is the trouble.
2016-06-29T13:18:41Z alchmzt: yep
2016-06-29T13:18:48Z alchmzt: thanks for helping out
2016-06-29T13:18:54Z Xach_ lives to serve
2016-06-29T13:18:58Z alchmzt: and for quicklisp
2016-06-29T13:19:10Z alchmzt: but please get yourself a free tls cert from letsencrypt
2016-06-29T13:19:25Z Xach_: I will do that when my current cert expires.
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2016-06-29T13:22:23Z alchmzt: fixed
2016-06-29T13:23:00Z alchmzt: ◕‿◕
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2016-06-29T14:02:39Z gabriel_laddel: if a file tells me that it is XZ compressed data via 'file', I can xzcat it, but cannot unxz it, even after changing the file name, wtf?
2016-06-29T14:02:55Z Xach_: That sounds like a discussion for somewhere else
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2016-06-29T14:03:31Z gabriel_laddel: Xach_: agreed, but lispers are by far and away more intelligent and experienced than other programmers, so I figured, eh, why not
2016-06-29T14:03:49Z gabriel_laddel: besides, this is so that we can finally have our own distro
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2016-06-29T14:05:21Z Xach_: Why not is because this channel is for Common Lisp, not problems with compression utility programs.
2016-06-29T14:05:34Z gabriel_laddel: aite
2016-06-29T14:08:46Z gabriel_laddel: Figured it out.
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2016-06-29T16:03:33Z aries_liuxueyang: hello.
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2016-06-29T16:03:55Z aries_liuxueyang: How to input EOF(C-d) in emacs slime?
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2016-06-29T16:12:28Z phoe_krk: aries_liuxueyang: I don't have enough data. Which mode are you in?
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2016-06-29T16:12:36Z phoe_krk: Oh, wait. SLIME REPL?
2016-06-29T16:13:19Z aries_liuxueyang: phoe_krk: yes. in SLIME REPL
2016-06-29T16:13:25Z phoe_krk: I don't think you can end the REPL connection this way. I'd try M-x slime-disconnect for this.
2016-06-29T16:14:01Z phoe_krk: But again - that's a guess. I haven't used it.
2016-06-29T16:14:01Z pierpa: have you tried ctrl-q ctrl-d?
2016-06-29T16:14:25Z aries_liuxueyang: nop, I want to send EOF. the program read from stdin, I try to input EOF to exit the read.
2016-06-29T16:14:46Z phoe_krk: pierpa: the program reads from STDIN?
2016-06-29T16:14:52Z phoe_krk: Are you in REPL read mode?
2016-06-29T16:14:54Z aries_liuxueyang: phoe_krk: yes.
2016-06-29T16:15:07Z aries_liuxueyang: pierpa: that does not work.
2016-06-29T16:15:14Z pierpa: ok
2016-06-29T16:15:17Z aries_liuxueyang: pierpa, it inputs ^d instead.
2016-06-29T16:15:36Z pierpa: right. but it was worth a try
2016-06-29T16:15:43Z aries_liuxueyang: yeah.
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2016-06-29T16:17:06Z aries_liuxueyang: phoe_krk, I tried that in sbcl repl in the terminal. it works. however in SLIME REPL, it does not.
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2016-06-29T16:20:14Z phoe_krk: Yes - I got it. In the terminal, it's obvious; but I wonder whether someone thought of it from the SLIME side.
2016-06-29T16:20:57Z phoe_krk: !
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2016-06-29T16:21:00Z phoe_krk: Try C-u RET.
2016-06-29T16:21:22Z aries_liuxueyang: phoe_krk, It works!
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2016-06-29T16:21:42Z aries_liuxueyang: How do you find that! awesome.
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2016-06-29T16:22:57Z phoe_krk: Google.
2016-06-29T16:23:10Z phoe_krk: And an almost invisible newsgroup post.
2016-06-29T16:23:17Z phoe_krk: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/gnu.emacs.help/gHPxppGFSZI
2016-06-29T16:23:19Z phoe_krk: Thank Helmut for it.
2016-06-29T16:23:20Z aries_liuxueyang: so sad.. I Googled just now and didn't find that..
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2016-06-29T16:24:45Z aries_liuxueyang: phoe_krk, thank you so much.
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2016-06-29T16:25:34Z phoe_krk: aries_liuxueyang: Googling is tricky and so is emacs. Don't worry.
2016-06-29T16:26:58Z aries_liuxueyang: :+1:
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2016-06-29T16:32:05Z aries_liuxueyang: I use Github markdown syntax. ;-)
2016-06-29T16:32:18Z aries_liuxueyang: it's emoji
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2016-06-29T18:21:00Z phoe_krk: Is a Lisp adjustable vector somewhat like Java's ArrayList?
2016-06-29T18:22:22Z phoe_krk: I need a Lisp data structure that has O(1) access and O(1) storage at the end. I don't care about removal.
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2016-06-29T18:33:31Z oGMo: phoe_krk: it's not O(1) at the end, but if you alwyas double the size on resize it shouldn't matter
2016-06-29T18:33:39Z oGMo: it'll be mostly-O(1) at the end ;)
2016-06-29T18:34:28Z phoe_krk: oGMo: I accept it being mostly O(1)
2016-06-29T18:34:33Z oGMo: then you should be good
2016-06-29T18:34:56Z oGMo: just make sure to :adjustable t and possibly start with a decent prealloc and :fill-pointer 0 or whatnot
2016-06-29T18:35:04Z phoe_krk: prealloc?
2016-06-29T18:35:23Z oGMo: well like, if you know you're going to insert 10 or 100 or something items, don't (make-array 1 ...)
2016-06-29T18:35:41Z oGMo: (make-array 100 ..) or a reasonable estimate instead
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2016-06-29T18:36:09Z DruidGreeneyes: Noob question: I'm trying to figure a way of seeding the built-in rng with a specified value; in sbcl random-state is a struct, and can be represented with the #S form: #S(random-state :state #.(make-array [size, element-type, contents of the array]))
2016-06-29T18:36:40Z oGMo: isn't there a portable/better prng?
2016-06-29T18:37:15Z DruidGreeneyes: I looked a little, but I sort of got into the middle of doing this, and felt like "I'm so close!" that I didn't want to stop
2016-06-29T18:37:23Z DruidGreeneyes: :p
2016-06-29T18:38:11Z DruidGreeneyes: So I figured maybe I could dynamically generate the array and swap it into the middle of the form: #S(random-state :state #.new-array)
2016-06-29T18:38:48Z DruidGreeneyes: or #S(random-state :state #.(make-array [etc] :initial-contents (loop-macro to generate some numbers)))
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2016-06-29T18:39:27Z DruidGreeneyes: But as you all presumably already know, it doesn't seem possible to interpolate variables into the middle of a #S form
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2016-06-29T18:40:11Z jasom: someone has a prng question?
2016-06-29T18:40:42Z DruidGreeneyes: Anybody know of a workaround? Or do I have to just bite the bullet and go use another implementation that allows seeding?
2016-06-29T18:42:42Z DruidGreeneyes: jasom, I think it's more a how-does-lisp-work question than a prng question
2016-06-29T18:42:57Z rme: You can use make-random-state to generate an arbitrary new random state, and then save that (e.g., by printing it to a file or whatever). Then, bind/set *random-state* (or pass your random state) around calls to random.
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2016-06-29T18:43:32Z rme: You can't portably initialize a random-state object by hand.
2016-06-29T18:43:41Z rme: But you can create and save one.
2016-06-29T18:43:45Z jasom: DruidGreeneyes: you can use seed-random-state with an 8 element unsigned-byte 32 array
2016-06-29T18:43:51Z jasom: sb-ext:seed-random-state
2016-06-29T18:44:00Z phoe_krk: Actually... I'll reconsider the array in favor of a weak hash-table.
2016-06-29T18:44:15Z jasom: oh, it also takes unsigned-byte
2016-06-29T18:44:15Z phoe_krk: So the objects that are no longer accessed anywhere else can get GCed.
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2016-06-29T18:44:30Z jasom: (sb-ext:seed-random-state 0) should work
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2016-06-29T18:45:46Z jasom: and don't use the array of unsigned-byte 32; that's considered an implementation detail that may change; but seeding with UNSIGNED-BYTE and (SIMPLE-ARRAY (UNSIGNED-BYTE 8) (*)) is supported
2016-06-29T18:46:14Z DruidGreeneyes: Good to know; many thanks
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2016-06-29T22:22:16Z kenanb: hi folks, any works already on making CLIM implementation of Franz that is recently open sourced portable?
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2016-06-29T22:47:19Z jasom: kenanb: I haven't heard of any yet, but judging by my experience with non-portable code being open-sourced, there are probably 2 or 3 people working on it that don't know about each other.
2016-06-29T22:47:40Z jasom: I don't know enough about CLIM to compare it to mcclim
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2016-06-29T22:48:22Z kenanb: jasom: cool, thanks for the educated guess :) looks like it
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2016-06-30T03:50:02Z beach: Good morning everyone!
2016-06-30T03:51:03Z pillton: G'day beach.
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2016-06-30T03:55:01Z beach: pillton: Any progress on partial evaluation?
2016-06-30T03:55:26Z beach: It's a very interesting topic in my opinion.
2016-06-30T03:56:14Z pillton: Well, yes, of sorts. The link you sent revealed what it was I needed.
2016-06-30T03:57:11Z beach: Oh, good!
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2016-06-30T04:00:40Z pillton: I'm not going to use partial evaluation. I'm going to write a different evaluator. I think this will work.
2016-06-30T04:02:18Z beach: Sure.
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2016-06-30T04:09:40Z mr_yogurt: Where would be a good place to start learning common lisp?
2016-06-30T04:10:08Z beach: minion: Please tell mr_yogurt about PCL.
2016-06-30T04:10:09Z minion: mr_yogurt: direct your attention towards PCL: pcl-book: "Practical Common Lisp", an introduction to Common Lisp by Peter Seibel, available at http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/ and in dead-tree form from Apress (as of 11 April 2005).
2016-06-30T04:10:54Z mr_yogurt: thanks
2016-06-30T04:11:25Z mr_yogurt: How difficult is learning a new Lisp dialect?
2016-06-30T04:11:36Z mr_yogurt: After already learning one
2016-06-30T04:12:15Z beach: mr_yogurt: People don't agree on what constitutes a "Lisp dialect", so it may vary considerably.
2016-06-30T04:13:06Z mr_yogurt: Say, if I learn common lisp and I find myself in a situation where I need to use scheme (no idea how likely that is), how difficult would it be to switch?
2016-06-30T04:13:27Z beach: mr_yogurt: Me and many others don't even think Scheme is a Lisp dialect.
2016-06-30T04:13:53Z beach: But you will already know the concepts, and you will miss most of the interesting features of Common Lisp, such as CLOS.
2016-06-30T04:14:16Z alchmzt: mr_yogurt: i think the main diference would be learning the SRFIs if you were going from common lisp to scheme
2016-06-30T04:14:46Z loke: and you'd have to learn to convolute your loops into recursion.
2016-06-30T04:15:25Z beach: Oh, right.  That too.
2016-06-30T04:15:27Z alchmzt: ☼ the main difference for me was really the ecosystem, the language itself wasn't a huge jump
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2016-06-30T04:21:01Z beach: mr_yogurt: Judging from other people coming here with questions, I am given the impression that #scheme is deserted, so you might miss the helpful people as well.  Perhaps that is what alchmzt was referring to.  Or perhaps to Quicklisp which gives you lots of good libraries.  I don't know whether Scheme has something similar.
2016-06-30T04:23:57Z alchmzt: i looked at a bunch of options between lisp/scheme, and settled with lisp
2016-06-30T04:24:30Z alchmzt: it's just a bit of a PITA to get into initially, but I think that's more to do with ecosystem and how everything is more spread out than in other languages
2016-06-30T04:25:44Z alchmzt: ie, ruby you get language, interpreter, package management all in one, with lisp you need to pick an interpreter, manually setup quicklisp, and then learn the language (and discover things like alexandria)
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2016-06-30T04:26:32Z alchmzt: it also seems like there's more portability between lisp implementations than between scheme implementations
2016-06-30T04:28:25Z beach: alchmzt: That is very likely due to the fact that the Common Lisp standard is much bigger, and that Scheme implementations must therefore add many things compared to the language definition.  Those additions are then mutually incompatible.
2016-06-30T04:28:57Z alchmzt: yep
2016-06-30T04:29:17Z alchmzt: although, it was always my understanding that scheme was meant to be more portable by virtue of srfis
2016-06-30T04:29:25Z alchmzt: yet in practice that didnt seem to be the case
2016-06-30T04:29:28Z alchmzt: anyway
2016-06-30T04:29:30Z alchmzt: <3 lisp
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2016-06-30T04:35:59Z jasom: When will sbcl generate conditional moves rather than jumps for something like (let ((x (cond ...)))
2016-06-30T04:36:17Z jasom: I see it do it sometimes, and it really speeds things up, but it seems very fragile
2016-06-30T04:37:38Z jasom: beach, alchmzt it also helps that there are far fewer actively used CL implementations
2016-06-30T04:38:35Z beach: jasom: Really?  I am surprised.
2016-06-30T04:39:27Z jasom: beach: which part is surprising?
2016-06-30T04:39:53Z beach: That there would be more Scheme implementations actively used than Common Lisp implementations actively used.
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2016-06-30T04:40:34Z jasom: well there are more scheme implementations in general: http://community.schemewiki.org/?scheme-faq-standards#implementations
2016-06-30T04:41:10Z jasom: bout count the "yes" in the Active column and there are plenty still being developed
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2016-06-30T04:41:32Z beach: I am willing to believe you.  I was just surprised.
2016-06-30T04:42:02Z jasom: I ran into an annoying underspecified part of CL the other day, and I found that among the 6 or so lisp implementations there were only 2 ways that it was done, so two #+ macros later I'm portable
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2016-06-30T04:42:54Z jasom: and it's even more narrow when you consider that a lot of behaviors are the same among descendents of mkcl and cmucl
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2016-06-30T04:45:58Z alchmzt: now if we could get quicklisp baked into sbcl (for example), that would be rather nice
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2016-06-30T04:46:41Z alchmzt: or at least into sb-contrib
2016-06-30T04:47:51Z pillton: No!
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2016-06-30T04:57:33Z beach: mr_yogurt: Do you feel better informed now?
2016-06-30T04:57:58Z mr_yogurt: somewhat
2016-06-30T05:00:07Z alchmzt: mr_yogurt: http://quickdocs.org/rutils/ will make life a little easier
2016-06-30T05:00:31Z alchmzt: a friend told me about it and it made lisp a lot nicer to work with
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2016-06-30T05:02:13Z beach: mr_yogurt: Oh, right.  Almost forgot.  If you ever decide to learn Common Lisp, check here first what to install, and how to install it.  Lots of beginners do the wrong thing, come here because they are lost, and then we tell them to start over.
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2016-06-30T05:02:31Z mr_yogurt: ok then what do i install?
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2016-06-30T05:03:06Z beach: Install SBCL with a binary.  Download Quicklisp.  Install SLIME using Quicklisp.
2016-06-30T05:03:12Z mr_yogurt: that it?
2016-06-30T05:03:20Z beach: Pretty much.
2016-06-30T05:03:49Z beach: You will need a fairly recent implementation of GNU Emacs to run SLIME.
2016-06-30T05:04:12Z pillton: I think paredit should be installed too.
2016-06-30T05:04:24Z beach: I think it comes with Emacs, no?
2016-06-30T05:04:38Z beach: I didn't install it, and I can still do M-x paredit-mode.
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2016-06-30T05:04:49Z beach: ... I think.
2016-06-30T05:04:59Z beach: I mean, I think I didn't install it.
2016-06-30T05:05:30Z pillton: I don't think so. I use the emacs-app port in macports though.
2016-06-30T05:05:53Z beach: OK.  I may have forgotten.
2016-06-30T05:06:27Z mr_yogurt: is windows development viable with common lisp?
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2016-06-30T05:06:53Z beach wouldn't know.
2016-06-30T05:07:34Z mr_yogurt: i'm too lazy to reboot to my ubuntu install right now
2016-06-30T05:08:13Z alchmzt: mr_yogurt: imho, i would learn lisp with your current editor, instead of trying to learn lisp and emacs at the same time
2016-06-30T05:08:18Z beach: mr_yogurt: If you are going to develop for Windows, I think you should buy LispWorks Common Lisp.  As I understand it, it works very well on Windows.
2016-06-30T05:08:21Z alchmzt: switch to emacs once you get a handle on lisp
2016-06-30T05:08:52Z alchmzt: it's less efficient, but it's also less to learn at the beginning
2016-06-30T05:08:58Z alchmzt: meaning you learn faster
2016-06-30T05:09:03Z beach: mr_yogurt: Of course, if you use a proprietary system, you will get a lot less help here.
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2016-06-30T05:12:29Z beach: alchmzt: That may or may not be good advice.  Frequently, when people do that, they come here and show badly indented code, and the first thing they are then told is to install Emacs and SLIME so that the code will be properly indented.
2016-06-30T05:13:02Z mr_yogurt: Are there any vim options?
2016-06-30T05:13:12Z alchmzt: beach: emacs is a nightmare to learn for first timer, on top of learning lisp
2016-06-30T05:13:25Z alchmzt: dont forget the first time you fired up emacs
2016-06-30T05:13:49Z alchmzt: mr_yogurt: spacemacs is an emacs configuration that has vim "built-in"
2016-06-30T05:14:06Z beach: alchmzt: That would have been Multics Emacs around 1982 or so.  It was pure joy.
2016-06-30T05:14:09Z alchmzt: so you get the goodies of emacs without having to learn emacs keybinds
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2016-06-30T05:14:25Z alchmzt: beach: compared to what else was available at the time, it probably was
2016-06-30T05:14:35Z beach: Yep.
2016-06-30T05:14:59Z alchmzt: you might be a bit far removed then from the modern experience of switching to emacs from modern editors
2016-06-30T05:15:09Z bullets: I personally never found it any hard to learn emacs keybindings
2016-06-30T05:15:47Z beach: alchmzt: You may very well be right.
2016-06-30T05:15:48Z alchmzt: it's not that it's hard, it's that youre trying to learn lisp AND emacs at the same time
2016-06-30T05:15:51Z bullets: I mainly move around in a few standard ways, the somewhat frequent migration between vi and emacs is kinda smooth
2016-06-30T05:16:05Z alchmzt: i would love for seasoned lispers to at least admit that it's not easy
2016-06-30T05:16:06Z bullets: e...emacs is lisp :^)
2016-06-30T05:16:15Z bullets: but I guess you're right
2016-06-30T05:16:16Z alchmzt facepalms
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2016-06-30T05:16:37Z alchmzt: if we want more ppl to learn, we shouldnt say "learn emacs" at the very beginning
2016-06-30T05:17:00Z alchmzt: (imho)
2016-06-30T05:17:14Z beach: alchmzt: I for one do not want "more people to learn" at any cost.
2016-06-30T05:17:40Z alchmzt: "at any cost", using an alternative editor to emacs is not a massive dealbreaker
2016-06-30T05:18:07Z alchmzt goes back to his cave
2016-06-30T05:18:13Z beach: alchmzt: I'll let you read their badly indented code then, when they come here with problems.
2016-06-30T05:18:59Z alchmzt: woe is me, badly indented code
2016-06-30T05:19:02Z alchmzt: my eyes, my eyes
2016-06-30T05:19:07Z alchmzt: i'm mellllting
2016-06-30T05:19:15Z mr_yogurt: so far the only argument i've heard for learning emacs to learn lisp is "indentation". is that the only reason?
2016-06-30T05:19:15Z alchmzt gurgles and falls over, dead
2016-06-30T05:19:31Z bullets: no
2016-06-30T05:19:34Z PuercoPop: alchmzt: you don't have to learn emacs, to use it like any other editor, mouse works just fine, copying from the menu works just fine. Working w/ slime is a different experience using a REPL
2016-06-30T05:20:01Z bullets: I personally love the emacs+lisp environment because you can write a function in the editor buffer and send it directly to the repl
2016-06-30T05:20:03Z alchmzt: mr_yogurt: you can have like a synchronized editor window with a SLIME repl, so you can code/test in realtime
2016-06-30T05:20:21Z PuercoPop: mr_yogurt: no, from Slime you have xref funcitonality, object inspectors for example
2016-06-30T05:20:23Z alchmzt: less friction
2016-06-30T05:20:29Z bullets: I tried that with Vim (using slimv) and it was realllllly awkward)
2016-06-30T05:21:07Z bullets: also a standalone lisp repl (at least that of sbcl) offers very limited functionality against that of slime
2016-06-30T05:21:31Z PuercoPop: the debugger of slime is much better as well
2016-06-30T05:21:34Z mr_yogurt: if i'm going to embark on this emacs-learning quest i'm going to need some more resources
2016-06-30T05:21:39Z alchmzt: mr_yogurt: http://spacemacs.org
2016-06-30T05:21:47Z alchmzt: try that
2016-06-30T05:21:55Z alchmzt: does most of the heavy lifting for you
2016-06-30T05:22:16Z mr_yogurt: i wouldn't say i know vim enough for that to be enough help
2016-06-30T05:22:31Z alchmzt: neither do i
2016-06-30T05:22:35Z PuercoPop: mr_yogurt: try not to embark in an emacs learning quest, just install emacs
2016-06-30T05:22:42Z bullets: or use the emacs built in tutorial
2016-06-30T05:23:09Z PuercoPop: or maybe a trial version of lispworks?
2016-06-30T05:23:11Z bullets: there doesn't seem to be a good beginner's guide to emacs+slime, right?
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2016-06-30T05:23:32Z PuercoPop: jasom recently updated lispstick I think
2016-06-30T05:23:53Z bullets: I'm thinking the slime setup which is usually just 3 lines of elisp but which newcomers of course don't know
2016-06-30T05:23:54Z alchmzt: i followed the SLIME docs to set it up
2016-06-30T05:24:07Z alchmzt: combined with a spacemacs configuration
2016-06-30T05:24:21Z alchmzt: i'm probably not using it the most effectively, but it works well enough
2016-06-30T05:24:23Z mr_yogurt: i will be back after i've rebooted to linux
2016-06-30T05:24:40Z PuercoPop: bullets: yes, you can use quicklisp to install slime, to guides you through it iirc. and its only 3 lines of elisp
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2016-06-30T05:27:31Z mr_yogurt_: Will the standard sudo apt-get install emacs cause any issues?
2016-06-30T05:28:06Z PuercoPop: mr_yogurt_: what version is it? I think it won't
2016-06-30T05:28:24Z PuercoPop: (cause any problems that is)
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2016-06-30T05:30:45Z mr_yogurt: Now, new question: does lisp work well for developing desktop applications?
2016-06-30T05:32:15Z alchmzt: mr_yogurt: have you seen the post "state of the lisp ecosystem" ?
2016-06-30T05:32:23Z mr_yogurt: no
2016-06-30T05:32:55Z alchmzt: http://eudoxia.me/article/common-lisp-sotu-2015
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2016-06-30T05:35:35Z alchmzt: is there a way to (:use :blah) and exclude specific functions from :blah?
2016-06-30T05:36:17Z alchmzt: i want to exclude 2 functions, rather than manually import the 50+ that dont conflict
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2016-06-30T05:41:06Z PuercoPop: alchmzt: see the package option, shadow
2016-06-30T05:41:16Z PuercoPop: minion: clhs defpackage
2016-06-30T05:41:16Z minion: does torturing a poor bot with things beyond its comprehension please you?
2016-06-30T05:41:23Z PuercoPop: http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/m_defpkg.htm
2016-06-30T05:41:37Z alchmzt: PuercoPop: thanks
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2016-06-30T06:01:59Z beach: alchmzt: These days I don't :USE packages other than COMMON-LISP.  Of course, that works only if people don't create very long package names.
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2016-06-30T06:08:15Z mr_yogurt: how to quit sbcl? i feel like someone new to vi
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2016-06-30T06:09:24Z bullets: (quit)
2016-06-30T06:09:25Z lieven: (exit)
2016-06-30T06:09:41Z lieven: or Control-D if you're using unix
2016-06-30T06:09:51Z joga: pkill emacs
2016-06-30T06:09:54Z joga: ;)
2016-06-30T06:15:09Z mr_yogurt: What should I be doing with quicklisp?
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2016-06-30T06:31:00Z PuercoPop: mr_yogurt: it fetches and loads to the current image systems (libraries) from the internet
2016-06-30T06:32:20Z PuercoPop: (sb-ext:quit) or (uiop:quit)
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2016-06-30T06:43:42Z bullets: So
2016-06-30T06:44:11Z bullets: I wrote a quick guide for people who want to start using emacs+lisp
2016-06-30T06:44:32Z bullets: I had this idea for a while now, because this happens somewhat often.
2016-06-30T06:44:51Z bullets: It's more of a draft right now, I put it in some pastebin service
2016-06-30T06:44:54Z bullets: http://paste2.org/mK7PtMNv
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2016-06-30T06:45:23Z bullets: if anyone here wants to give it a read, criticize it, tell me what to fix, etc
2016-06-30T06:45:28Z bullets: I'd be very happy
2016-06-30T06:45:50Z bullets: if it's shit, I'd be happy to know as well.
2016-06-30T06:46:12Z bullets: in the meantime I'll sleep or something
2016-06-30T06:47:08Z bullets: I left my email at the end. Thanks in advance
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2016-06-30T06:50:27Z bullets: oh the email is obscured. That's good actually.
2016-06-30T06:51:14Z bullets: hellcode at openmailbox dot org for your critiques. thanks a lot.
2016-06-30T06:51:17Z mr_yogurt: What is the proper procedure for install slime?
2016-06-30T06:51:23Z mr_yogurt: *installing
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2016-06-30T06:54:59Z loke: mr_yogurt: Did you read the instructions?
2016-06-30T06:55:13Z loke: https://www.quicklisp.org/beta/
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2016-06-30T06:55:25Z bullets: M-x cd <your homedir> C-x C-f .emacs (require 'package) <Ret> (add-to-list 'package-archives '("melpa" . "https://melpa.org/packages)) <Ret> (package-initialize) C-x C-s M-x load-file .emacs M-x list-packagex M-x package-install slime
2016-06-30T06:55:57Z mr_yogurt: oh that's where I went wrong
2016-06-30T06:55:58Z bullets: omit the 'M-x load-file' part, I'm tired.
2016-06-30T06:56:06Z mr_yogurt: being new to emacs i did not realize RET meant "return"
2016-06-30T06:56:35Z bullets: don't omit it, damn I really am tired. good night
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2016-06-30T06:56:39Z loke would recommend quicklisp-slime-helper from QL
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2016-06-30T07:05:08Z hjudt: is it possible to write a macro that writes a class definition _and_ a defmethod?
2016-06-30T07:05:56Z jackdaniel: hjudt: of course
2016-06-30T07:06:14Z hjudt: how can i return that? simply using a list?
2016-06-30T07:06:30Z jackdaniel: (defmacry my-xxx () `(progn (defclass xxx () ()) (defmethod boo ((a xxx)) (print "booya"))))
2016-06-30T07:06:35Z jackdaniel: (my-xxx)
2016-06-30T07:06:46Z mr_yogurt: when i attempt to install slime, i get [no-match]
2016-06-30T07:07:11Z jackdaniel isn't good at e-macs. Try to install it from quicklisp
2016-06-30T07:07:22Z hjudt: ah, progn is the solution. thanks!
2016-06-30T07:07:42Z jackdaniel: sure
2016-06-30T07:08:03Z loke: mr_yogurt: there is a quicklisp package called "quicllisp-slime-helper". Install that one.
2016-06-30T07:08:11Z loke: "quicklisp-slime-helper"
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2016-06-30T07:58:03Z knobo1: I see some people use the variable name "this" with generic functions. I'm not sure if it is a joke.
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2016-06-30T07:59:06Z knobo1: But it is funny.
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2016-06-30T08:00:53Z gabriel_laddel: minion help
2016-06-30T08:01:04Z knobo1: Even though it is in line with anamorphic macros using "it".
2016-06-30T08:01:33Z gabriel_laddel: minion: memo for loke: what is your question re CLIM / what do you need help with?
2016-06-30T08:01:33Z minion: Remembered. I'll tell loke when he/she/it next speaks.
2016-06-30T08:01:43Z loke: Hello gabot
2016-06-30T08:01:43Z minion: loke, memo from gabriel_laddel: what is your question re CLIM / what do you need help with?
2016-06-30T08:01:45Z loke: gabriel_laddel:
2016-06-30T08:02:12Z gabriel_laddel: btw my internet connection sucks, might go at any time, but I read logs and will respond to everything in due time..
2016-06-30T08:02:35Z gabriel_laddel: loke: :
2016-06-30T08:02:36Z gabriel_laddel: ?
2016-06-30T08:03:10Z gabriel_laddel: ZombieChicken: realistically ncurses support for CLIM is never going to happen.
2016-06-30T08:03:41Z loke: gabriel_laddel: OK, my problem coimes from my attempt at writing a Potato client for CLIM
2016-06-30T08:04:04Z gabriel_laddel: ZombieChicken: Irrespective of what anyone else on here says, the whole point of CLIM vs other libraries is that it gives you access to geometry, and then means of abstracting it.
2016-06-30T08:04:18Z loke: gabriel_laddel: I just can't figure out how to layout buttons in a table.
2016-06-30T08:04:23Z gabriel_laddel: ZombieChicken: ncurses is for text output, not rich user interfaces.
2016-06-30T08:04:33Z gabriel_laddel: loke: how many buttons?
2016-06-30T08:04:51Z loke: Basically, I have a list of chat channels, I should be able to click on the channel to open it. The channels are laid out in a table.
2016-06-30T08:05:48Z loke: Later, when I manage to open the channel, I need to display the chat log, which is probably going to have to be another table (one row per message). Where the username and the user's icon is in the leftmost column with the text in the rightmost. The content will be scrolable (infinitely, autoloading when I scroll to the top)
2016-06-30T08:05:51Z gabriel_laddel: loke: I have not used the table layout at all, so don't know for sure - but have you tried combining (vertically () (horizontally () buttons...) ...)
2016-06-30T08:06:12Z loke: But... The main problem right now was merely to make the channel names clickable. I didn't evenm figoure out how to do that.
2016-06-30T08:06:32Z gabriel_laddel: loke: (ql:quickload 'clim-examples)
2016-06-30T08:06:47Z gabriel_laddel: then run (clim-demo::demodemo)
2016-06-30T08:06:49Z loke: gabriel_laddel: This is what I have so far:
2016-06-30T08:06:49Z loke: https://github.com/cicakhq/potato/blob/master/contrib/clim-test/src/main.lisp#L15
2016-06-30T08:07:04Z loke: So I need those formatting-cells to be clickable
2016-06-30T08:08:14Z gabriel_laddel: loke: ah ok. define a presentation type for them, and then either `present' each one in that loop, or use (with-output-to-presentation ..)
2016-06-30T08:08:36Z gabriel_laddel: then for your application, define a command that accepts one of those buttons (the presentation type you've created) and runs a callback on it
2016-06-30T08:09:10Z gabriel_laddel: am writing an example that will work at the listener..
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2016-06-30T08:15:34Z gabriel_laddel: loke: almost done
2016-06-30T08:15:49Z gabriel_laddel: got to expand this macro and then lisppaste
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2016-06-30T08:18:41Z gabriel_laddel: loke: http://paste.lisp.org/display/319531
2016-06-30T08:18:52Z loke: gabriel_laddel: Thansk!
2016-06-30T08:18:54Z loke: thanks!
2016-06-30T08:19:05Z gabriel_laddel: you'll have to princ that form, as it is a string - I have CL hooked up to xclip and...
2016-06-30T08:19:11Z loke: (I have to do some work now, so please excuse me for replying slowily)
2016-06-30T08:19:23Z gabriel_laddel: it happens.
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2016-06-30T08:19:34Z gabriel_laddel: if you have any more questions, email is a little bit easier for me atm
2016-06-30T08:19:43Z gabriel_laddel: with the terrible internet connection and all.
2016-06-30T08:19:47Z gabriel_laddel: loke:
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2016-06-30T11:30:52Z plpgn: Is there any avantage in using cl-unification vs optima ?
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2016-06-30T11:44:19Z vktec: Is there a way to define a macro (let's call it "macro 2") inside another macro (macro 1) and have the &body argument of macro 1 call macro 2?
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2016-06-30T11:51:46Z DeadTrickster: I believe optima is superseded by something already
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2016-06-30T11:59:23Z plpgn: what library ? from cliki optima supersedes cl-pattern, cl-match, fare-matcher, arnesi's pattern-matching fragment, pcond etc
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2016-06-30T12:09:51Z plpgn: cool ! I didn't knew it. Thanks
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2016-06-30T12:53:17Z Grue``: vktec: macrolet?
2016-06-30T12:55:58Z vktec: Grue``: That seems like it would work, but I can't seem to get my &body to call it :-/
2016-06-30T12:56:00Z vktec: Any ideas?
2016-06-30T12:56:47Z Grue``: it should expand to `(macrolet (blah blah) ,@body)
2016-06-30T12:57:17Z Grue``: then body would have access to the macro
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2016-06-30T12:59:36Z vktec: That doesn't seem to work. Here's my code: http://0bin.net/paste/zgtZ7X69g7fD-D7H#qFRhYs52vn54MklN5J9ueWN99YWbd4XtP4V+kidG6Lc
2016-06-30T12:59:45Z vktec: (disclaimer: I'm a complete Lisp noob)
2016-06-30T12:59:59Z vktec: I'll be back in a bit, gonna have lunch
2016-06-30T13:01:18Z Grue``: wll first of all your macro returns NIL
2016-06-30T13:01:26Z Grue``: *well
2016-06-30T13:02:00Z Grue``: which should've been clear if you tried to macroexpand (html (body (format t "Hello, world!")))
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2016-06-30T13:07:51Z Grue``: vktec: http://paste.lisp.org/display/319548
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2016-06-30T13:19:06Z vktec: Grue``: Thanks, I'll give that a go. Could you give an explanation of what progn does?
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2016-06-30T13:21:51Z Grue``: progn executes several lisp forms as a block. defmacro can only return one lisp form, so if you need to expand to several forms, they should be wrapped into progn
2016-06-30T13:23:27Z vktec: Ahh
2016-06-30T13:23:29Z vktec: Thanks Grue``
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2016-06-30T13:37:35Z vktec: What is the convention for indentation in Lisp?
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2016-06-30T13:39:40Z Munksgaard: Use emacs default indentaion? That's what I've always done :D
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2016-06-30T13:40:06Z vktec: I use Vim
2016-06-30T13:40:08Z vktec hides
2016-06-30T13:40:21Z Grue``: surely it also has lisp indentation mode
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2016-06-30T13:41:18Z vktec: Well it does auto indent, but what about when I want to move text around? It'd be useful to know the convention, if there is one
2016-06-30T13:42:05Z isoraqathedh: There's a document for that, let me see if I can pull it out.
2016-06-30T13:42:39Z vktec: Thanks
2016-06-30T13:42:45Z isoraqathedh: Eh, this will do: http://community.schemewiki.org/?scheme-style
2016-06-30T13:42:55Z isoraqathedh: It's scheme but it works for most Lisps.
2016-06-30T13:42:57Z Grue``: if you have to indent by hand, you're probably doing something wrong
2016-06-30T13:43:59Z vktec: Grue``: What about when I move a bit of code from, one place to another? I could use the command to redo all the indentation, but it's usually easier to just correct the indentation manually
2016-06-30T13:44:28Z vktec: Or what about if I'm editing using a different editor?
2016-06-30T13:44:30Z isoraqathedh: I'm used to the editor being able to automatically indent text even after I yank it.
2016-06-30T13:44:50Z vktec: It's useful to know _why and how_ the editor is doing stuff, not just that it is
2016-06-30T13:45:11Z isoraqathedh: Well, in that case, someone's written something out.
2016-06-30T13:46:04Z isoraqathedh: I think there's one addition that's useful: with macros with a body, non-body forms are four spaces out from the starting \(, whereas body forms are only two spaces out.
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2016-06-30T13:47:41Z Grue``: i program in Python for a job, so not having to manually indent anything in Lisp is pretty nice
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2016-06-30T13:48:23Z Grue``: although I think Emacs lisp-mode is weird when it comes to indenting loop clauses
2016-06-30T13:48:59Z isoraqathedh: There's a special code that you have to use to support (loop).
2016-06-30T13:49:08Z isoraqathedh: s/code/switch/
2016-06-30T13:49:15Z isoraqathedh: I never really got it to work, in any case.
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2016-06-30T14:02:26Z pierpa: vktec: if you think reindenting automatically a block of code is slower than doing it manually then there's something really really broken in your way of editing
2016-06-30T14:02:51Z vktec: pierpa: It can be the case, sometimes :)
2016-06-30T14:02:56Z pierpa: reindenting a whole function is 2 keystrokes in emacs
2016-06-30T14:03:03Z vktec: Same in vim
2016-06-30T14:03:19Z vktec: However, you need to be at the top of the function
2016-06-30T14:03:33Z vktec: If I'm in the middle, I'd have to go to the top and reindent
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2016-06-30T14:03:50Z pierpa: 2 keystrokes: one for going at the top of the function, and one for reindenting
2016-06-30T14:03:51Z vktec: Alternatively, I could use >> or << to correct the indentation manually
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2016-06-30T14:04:23Z vktec: pierpa: Doesn't Emacs use chorded shortcuts though?
2016-06-30T14:04:29Z pierpa: yes
2016-06-30T14:04:31Z dlowe: you don't have to go to the top to reindent
2016-06-30T14:04:32Z vktec: So it'd be at least 3 in that case
2016-06-30T14:04:41Z dlowe: C-c M-q
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2016-06-30T14:04:49Z vktec: That's 4
2016-06-30T14:04:58Z vktec: Anyway
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2016-06-30T14:05:11Z pierpa: thanks, dlowe, this is an alternative
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2016-06-30T14:08:23Z vktec: Let's try to avoid an editor war :)
2016-06-30T14:08:42Z pierpa: too late!
2016-06-30T14:08:44Z pierpa: :)
2016-06-30T14:08:44Z vktec: :D
2016-06-30T14:08:46Z jackdaniel: nano!
2016-06-30T14:09:14Z vktec: jackdaniel: I hope you're kidding
2016-06-30T14:09:21Z vktec: :)
2016-06-30T14:09:58Z jackdaniel: why? It's basically the same as vim, but you exit the application 30 minutes earlier
2016-06-30T14:10:28Z vktec: XD
2016-06-30T14:10:58Z vktec: I'm not going to try and convince you, it's too much effort :)
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2016-06-30T16:55:04Z aries_liuxueyang: when I sort an array of objects: (sort *s* #'< :key #'(lambda (x) (right x))) it gets error...
2016-06-30T16:55:26Z aries_liuxueyang: here, right is the reader accessor of that object.
2016-06-30T16:55:55Z aries_liuxueyang: I don't know why. anyone knows? thank you. ;-)
2016-06-30T16:56:43Z aries_liuxueyang: the traceback says that: There is no applicable method for the generic function
2016-06-30T16:56:43Z aries_liuxueyang:   #<STANDARD-GENERIC-FUNCTION COMMON-LISP-USER::RIGHT (1)>
2016-06-30T16:57:32Z |3b|: how is RIGHT defined?
2016-06-30T16:57:52Z aries_liuxueyang: right is the object accessor.
2016-06-30T16:57:57Z |3b|: ah, missed that part
2016-06-30T16:58:04Z aries_liuxueyang: it get to the slot of that object.
2016-06-30T16:58:06Z |3b|: is there a 1 in *s*?
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2016-06-30T16:58:49Z aries_liuxueyang: nop, *s* is an array of objects.
2016-06-30T16:59:00Z |3b|: have you verified that?
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2016-06-30T16:59:26Z PuercoPop: aries_liuxueyang: you are calling the generic function right with an object it has no method implemented for
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2016-06-30T17:00:18Z |3b|: ah, that part of the error just shows how many arguments, the actual bad value is in the next part of the error (assuming sbcl)
2016-06-30T17:00:51Z |3b|: so probably not 1, but some value of the wrong type
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2016-06-30T17:01:38Z |3b|: or maybe it shows how many methods there are on that GF not how many arguments
2016-06-30T17:01:46Z aries_liuxueyang: |3b|, you are right. oops, my bad. I make-array which length is 10 and I only initialize the first 4 elements.
2016-06-30T17:01:59Z aries_liuxueyang: so the rest are 0...
2016-06-30T17:02:46Z aries_liuxueyang: so sad.. (defparameter *s* (make-array *maxn* :element-type 'node)) should I add that :initial-element key value when I make array.
2016-06-30T17:03:16Z aries_liuxueyang: I think I can't, because that way will make all the elems in the array be the same object..
2016-06-30T17:03:58Z |3b|: depends on why you only have 4 elements initialized, possibly a fill pointer would be better
2016-06-30T17:04:12Z aries_liuxueyang: so how do you make array of objects..
2016-06-30T17:04:20Z aries_liuxueyang: okay.
2016-06-30T17:04:24Z |3b|: or just make the array 4 elements long to start with :)
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2016-06-30T17:04:55Z |3b| assumes you don't want 10 values in the output of the sort with 6 of them garbage when you started with 4 valid values
2016-06-30T17:05:06Z aries_liuxueyang: |3b|, PuercoPop thank you very much.
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2016-06-30T17:49:02Z Grue``: somebody should've told aries_liuxueyang that :key #'(lambda (x) (right x))) is equivalent to :key 'right
2016-06-30T17:49:30Z Grue``: needlessly bloated code makes me sad
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2016-06-30T17:50:54Z dlowe: It can be improved by adding more closures like this: (lambda (x) ((lambda (y) (right y)) x))
2016-06-30T17:51:06Z dlowe: more closures is better, right?
2016-06-30T17:52:08Z jackdaniel: yes, I've heard closures are a feature
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2016-06-30T18:27:37Z shka_: good evening everyone!
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2016-06-30T18:27:50Z vktec: Hello shka_
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2016-06-30T18:28:15Z vktec: Oops, sorry, (tell shka_ "Hello!")
2016-06-30T18:28:18Z shka_: Grue``: I must admit, that this was exactly code i was writing two months ago
2016-06-30T18:28:19Z vktec: ;)
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2016-06-30T18:28:28Z shka_: vktec: :)
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2016-06-30T18:44:19Z vktec: Is there something like (macrolet) but for functions?
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2016-06-30T18:44:54Z vktec: Or should I do (let ((foo (lambda () (bar)))) baz)?
2016-06-30T18:45:37Z phadthai: flet allows lexically-scoped functions
2016-06-30T18:46:20Z oGMo: or labels
2016-06-30T18:47:01Z vktec: Could you give an example usage?
2016-06-30T18:47:06Z vktec: (of either/both)
2016-06-30T18:47:07Z phadthai: there is a hyperspec page: "Special Operator FLET, LABELS, MACROLET"
2016-06-30T18:47:12Z jasom: clhs flet
2016-06-30T18:47:12Z specbot: http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/s_flet_.htm
2016-06-30T18:47:23Z jasom: it includes examples
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2016-06-30T18:48:19Z vktec: Thanks
2016-06-30T18:48:25Z jasom: vktec: use lambda if you want a function object to pass around and flet/labels if you want a function you can call without funcall
2016-06-30T18:48:38Z vktec: Okay
2016-06-30T18:48:46Z vktec: flet/labels is what I need then :)
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2016-06-30T18:53:17Z |3b| would use flet/labels in either case, that way you get a name in debugger :)
2016-06-30T18:53:59Z dlowe: there's a named-lambda macro somewheres that uses labels for that
2016-06-30T19:01:11Z shka_: is it better to use vector with type declaration or simple-vector with size?
2016-06-30T19:01:19Z shka_: i know both size and type of elements
2016-06-30T19:01:59Z |3b| would generally use a typed array/vector rather than simple-vector
2016-06-30T19:02:38Z |3b|: preferably simple-array, since i'm usually looking for performance when i care at all what i use
2016-06-30T19:03:27Z |3b|: (and also assuming the type is one where it matters, like single-float and not some arbitrary class)
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2016-06-30T19:15:43Z vktec: Hash table keys can be anything, right?
2016-06-30T19:15:58Z shka_: vktec: not really
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2016-06-30T19:16:10Z vktec: Oh. I thought they could...
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2016-06-30T19:16:19Z vktec: Must've been reading a different implementation
2016-06-30T19:16:35Z vktec: shka_: Can I use a string as a hash table key?
2016-06-30T19:16:42Z shka_: problem is, on sbcl you can't pass something like :test #'vector=
2016-06-30T19:16:49Z shka_: strings? sure
2016-06-30T19:17:32Z vktec: So (setf (gethash "foo" *myhash*) "bar") should work, right?
2016-06-30T19:17:39Z shka_: just yeah
2016-06-30T19:17:55Z oGMo: just make sure :test is 'equal unless you're very specific ;)
2016-06-30T19:17:59Z shka_: just construct hashtable with right :test
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2016-06-30T19:18:31Z shka_: well, as a rule of thumb
2016-06-30T19:18:33Z vktec: Is that passed to (make-hash-table)?
2016-06-30T19:18:36Z oGMo: yes
2016-06-30T19:19:10Z shka_: 'eq for symbols, 'eql for numbers, 'equal for strings and lists
2016-06-30T19:19:13Z oGMo: you should read clhs make-hash-table
2016-06-30T19:19:22Z vktec: So (make-hash-table :test 'equal)?
2016-06-30T19:19:46Z shka_: yup
2016-06-30T19:20:00Z shka_: for strings, that's it
2016-06-30T19:20:01Z vktec: oGMo: Okay, will do
2016-06-30T19:20:04Z vktec: shka_: Thanks
2016-06-30T19:20:27Z shka_: you are welcome
2016-06-30T19:21:28Z phadthai: or equalp if you need case-insensitive matching
2016-06-30T19:21:43Z PuercoPop: shka_: I think you meant not portably, in SBCL there is sb-ext:define-hash-table-test
2016-06-30T19:22:12Z shka_: PuercoPop: thanks, i didn't knew about that
2016-06-30T19:23:55Z vktec: phadthai: Oh, thanks, that's useful
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2016-06-30T19:24:58Z |3b|: hash table keys can be anything, but some things or combinations of things and :test may not be very useful :)
2016-06-30T19:25:17Z vktec: :)
2016-06-30T19:26:07Z |3b|: (in particular foreign pointers on sbcl are not considered equal by any of the standard tests, but you can still put them in a key and iterate over the hash)
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