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yroeht rabite finnrobi wilfredh ferada joast surrounder mtd_ jayne specbot zbigniew Shozan dotemacs hugod bobbysmith007 PuercoPop housel schoppenhauer dRbiG theBlackDragon adhoc froggey rtoym wolgo rk[imposter] sabra Praise aeth _d3f willyfrog 05:33:43 -!- names: fikusz Natch hpd felideon bjorkintosh fmu____ tensorpudding srcerer AntiSpamMeta notori0us cnl sepi yonkeltron TristamWrk cpape The_third_man |3b| AeroNotix flip214 w|t lemoinem daimrod brown` Subfusc foom ircbrowse tkd ve cibs mal___ arrsim joneshf-work minion ivan\ Oddity fe[nl]ix Blkt fmu galdor kbtr drdo cpt_nemo tvaalen eagleflo lusory sytse rvirding rotty clog BlastHardcheese mau_ hypno kmder Ralt copec Kruppe gemelen jasom zz_karupanerura gabot 05:33:43 -!- names: igorw plathrop cmbntr_ quasisane ahungry sfa aajmakin vhost- dim sauerkrause ThePhoeron gko spacefrogg ecraven abend Tribal ggherdov Guest97484 Neptu gf3 K1rk jd__ smull_ dsp_ ashish__ jsnell_ Yamazaki-kun sbryant Watcher7 Tordek mshroyer tali713 Amadiro varjag oGMo Ash cross epsylon` arbscht nbouscal eak hyperboreean subtlepath ramus gluegadget KingNato_ Sourceless nitro_idiot_ photex madnificent wyan vsync H4ns samebchase oconnore Adeon eMBee Roin 05:33:43 -!- names: adeht stopbit brucem tomaw Cheery banjiewen j_king 05:34:18 -!- k0001 [~k0001@host200.186-125-151.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:34:39 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@pool-71-116-67-9.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 05:39:15 BAMbanda [~shai@c-50-175-136-106.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 05:39:26 what is a lisp interpreter written in? 05:39:53 <|3b|> a programming language, same as any other program 05:40:20 <|3b|> lisp is a popular choice 05:40:32 |3b| and each dialect of lisp has a different language that the interpreter is written in? 05:40:53 <|3b|> completely unrelated to the dialect being implemented 05:41:10 <|3b|> a lisp interpreter is a program, you can write any program in any turing complete language 05:41:27 <|3b|> (or at least any program you can write in any turing complete language) 05:41:29 how does my computer know that (def x 8) is allocating a portion of memory to x 05:41:37 STilda [bca2a71f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.162.167.31] has joined #lisp 05:41:48 like how can a lisp interpreter be written in lisp 05:43:28 <|3b|> somebody wrote a program to translate it into whatever the computer understands directly 05:43:28 same way a C compiler can be written in C, it's no big deal 05:43:28 so someone had to use assembly to write those compilers 05:43:28 <|3b|> particularly for an interpreter 05:43:28 you don't have to "use assembly". 05:43:28 <|3b|> usually you build on whatever exists 05:43:28 <|3b|> if nothing exists but machine code you start with that 05:43:28 <|3b|> on most platforms, c compilers, lisp compilers, assemblers, etc exist, so you can use any of those 05:43:31 ahhh, so if i wanted to create a new programming language, i can use any available language to create a compiler/interepreter 05:43:42 yes. 05:43:50 since compiler and interpreters are after all just programs. not magic. 05:43:54 <|3b|> you can write an entire lisp implementation in any of those (for example lots of gnu clisp is written in C), or you can write some minimal version of your language, then write better versions of the compiler in that 05:43:55 cool 05:44:05 <|3b|> cmucl is more of an example of the latter 05:44:13 <|3b|> to compile cmucl, you need a previous version of cmucl 05:44:37 gotcha 05:44:39 <|3b|> (and some C compiler, since it is easier to interface with most current OS from C) 05:44:54 yeah I get it now. 05:45:07 So although lisp is fun to hack on, its no excuse to not learn C 05:45:12 Although it is traditional to write your first compiler in the target language. 05:45:16 since things like the linux kernal are written in it 05:45:26 <|3b|> depends on what sort of things you want to write 05:45:29 Languages are easy -- learn them all. 05:45:41 What is hard is learning how to program, and learning languages can help with that. 05:45:48 i like lisps exploratory essense 05:46:17 i'm interested in programming and how computers work in general, i missed the pc revolution and want to understand it all! 05:46:47 -!- guyal [~anonymous@108-235-117-64.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: The Sleeper has Asleepen] 05:47:47 Zhigavo, you mean, understanding the syntax of languages are easy but actual meaningful algorithms is the difficult part 05:47:55 No. 05:48:06 A language is a set of syntax and semantics. 05:48:33 Given that you've learned how to program, adapting from one set to another is reasonably straight-forward -- providing that you've learned to program in a general sense. 05:48:46 <|3b|> learning how to use a language well is the difficult part 05:48:54 Algorithms can be important, but they're not the only thing. 05:48:59 <|3b|> (knowing how to use other languages well can help with that though) 05:49:04 stepnem [~stepnem@internet2.cznet.cz] has joined #lisp 05:49:06 stardiviner [~stardivin@112.10.8.213] has joined #lisp 05:49:14 hmmmm 05:49:25 Fundamentally what programming involves is learning how to specify a problem sufficiently explicitly that a mechanical solution can be derived. 05:49:41 And learning how to do that seems to involve a lot of thinking that is unnatual for humans. 05:49:49 Zhivago ahhh, i see 05:50:00 Much like learning to become a musician. 05:50:17 interesting. 05:50:36 It isn't so much that the task is difficult or requires intelligence, as that it is unnatural and requires rewiring things. 05:50:52 so learning how to think a certain way is the key 05:51:09 and that pattern of thinking will serve a programmer in any environment 05:51:12 I suspect so, and I suspect that mostly requires a lot of practice. 05:51:16 that's pretty broad advice, though. i don't think you need to think so much about how to learn. just dive in. 05:51:23 But I am distinguishing between programming and computer science here. 05:51:36 a lot of beginning programmers seem to get stuck on "what language should I learn?" and it seems pretty pointless to me. 05:51:45 So practice programming and study CS. 05:52:05 modeling problems and doing stuff with them 05:52:28 taking in different factors, and variables and decided how they influence other peices of information 05:52:31 k0001 [~k0001@host200.186-125-151.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 05:53:22 newblue [~newblue@113.84.214.35] has joined #lisp 05:54:29 yacks [~py@103.6.159.103] has joined #lisp 05:59:30 ccl-logbot [~ccl-logbo@setf.clozure.com] has joined #lisp 05:59:30 05:59:30 -!- names: ccl-logbot yacks newblue k0001 stardiviner stepnem STilda BAMbanda cmm ggole ludocode oleo alezost lyanchih Vivitron __main__ motionman drmeister cyphase hiyosi sword kanru Vutral sohail nilsi_ kcj longlene capisce prxq_ cantstanya pegu` foreignFunction namtsui jaimef Codynyx francis_wolke ASau patrickwonders eigenlicht echo-area 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xristos sjl j0ni ``Erik qiemem NNshag mikaelj Jubb gensym sshirokov 05:59:30 -!- names: acieroid dfox GuilOooo redline6561 balle ozialien cods nialo loke Tristam Fade koisoke DrForr sigjuice_ Wukix` milosn impulse scharan felipe tessier obre zfx- stokachu PuffTheMagic bben ^self _5kg seantallen yeltzooo sid_cypher iwilcox freiksenet Zhivago yroeht rabite finnrobi wilfredh ferada joast surrounder mtd_ jayne specbot zbigniew Shozan dotemacs hugod bobbysmith007 PuercoPop housel schoppenhauer dRbiG theBlackDragon adhoc froggey rtoym wolgo 05:59:30 -!- names: rk[imposter] sabra Praise aeth _d3f willyfrog fikusz Natch hpd felideon bjorkintosh fmu____ tensorpudding srcerer AntiSpamMeta notori0us cnl sepi yonkeltron TristamWrk cpape The_third_man |3b| AeroNotix flip214 w|t lemoinem daimrod brown` Subfusc foom ircbrowse tkd ve cibs mal___ arrsim joneshf-work minion ivan\ Oddity fe[nl]ix Blkt fmu galdor kbtr drdo cpt_nemo tvaalen eagleflo lusory sytse rvirding rotty clog BlastHardcheese mau_ 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djinni` johs pok aftershave nuba expez dan64 justinmcp xristos sjl j0ni ``Erik qiemem NNshag mikaelj Jubb gensym 06:06:32 -!- names: sshirokov acieroid dfox GuilOooo redline6561 balle ozialien cods nialo loke Tristam Fade koisoke DrForr sigjuice_ Wukix` milosn impulse scharan felipe tessier obre zfx- stokachu PuffTheMagic bben ^self _5kg seantallen yeltzooo sid_cypher iwilcox freiksenet Zhivago yroeht rabite finnrobi wilfredh ferada joast surrounder mtd_ jayne specbot zbigniew Shozan dotemacs hugod bobbysmith007 PuercoPop housel schoppenhauer dRbiG theBlackDragon adhoc froggey rtoym 06:06:32 -!- names: wolgo rk[imposter] sabra Praise aeth _d3f willyfrog fikusz Natch hpd felideon bjorkintosh fmu____ tensorpudding srcerer AntiSpamMeta notori0us cnl sepi yonkeltron TristamWrk cpape The_third_man |3b| AeroNotix flip214 w|t lemoinem daimrod brown` Subfusc foom ircbrowse tkd ve cibs mal___ arrsim joneshf-work minion ivan\ Oddity fe[nl]ix Blkt fmu galdor kbtr drdo cpt_nemo tvaalen eagleflo 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deadghost segmondx sellout- jack_rabbit keen__ danlentz zophy BrianRice Bike |JRG| Zagaba yrk aoh joshe edgar-rft nicdev [1]JPeterson shifty`` yano doomlord_ Kabaka d4gg4d_ pchrist robot-beethoven cdidd angavrilov araujo 06:11:59 -!- names: seangrove pjb ered peccu ianmcorvidae antoszka Sgeo eli _schulte1 ckoch786 nullman nightshade427 krrrcks paddymahoney xenophon ft asedeno Tarential Yanez wchun newcup zenoli cmatei ivan Mandus ski Anarch MikeSeth ineiros_ git z0d [SLB] vnz marsam DrCode clop2 aerique EvW prip karswell setheus_ guaqua luis tychoish Krystof_ otwieracz alabaster Elvaron `fogus djinni` johs pok aftershave nuba expez dan64 justinmcp xristos sjl j0ni ``Erik qiemem NNshag 06:11:59 -!- names: mikaelj Jubb gensym sshirokov acieroid dfox GuilOooo redline6561 balle ozialien cods nialo loke Tristam Fade koisoke DrForr sigjuice_ Wukix` milosn impulse scharan felipe tessier obre zfx- stokachu PuffTheMagic bben ^self _5kg seantallen yeltzooo sid_cypher iwilcox freiksenet Zhivago yroeht rabite finnrobi wilfredh ferada joast surrounder mtd_ jayne specbot zbigniew Shozan dotemacs hugod bobbysmith007 PuercoPop housel schoppenhauer dRbiG theBlackDragon 06:11:59 -!- names: adhoc froggey rtoym wolgo rk[imposter] sabra Praise aeth _d3f willyfrog fikusz Natch hpd felideon bjorkintosh fmu____ tensorpudding srcerer AntiSpamMeta notori0us cnl sepi yonkeltron TristamWrk cpape The_third_man |3b| AeroNotix flip214 w|t lemoinem daimrod brown` Subfusc foom ircbrowse tkd ve cibs mal___ arrsim joneshf-work minion ivan\ Oddity fe[nl]ix Blkt fmu galdor kbtr drdo cpt_nemo tvaalen eagleflo lusory sytse rvirding rotty clog BlastHardcheese 06:11:59 -!- names: mau_ hypno kmder Ralt copec Kruppe gemelen jasom zz_karupanerura gabot igorw plathrop cmbntr_ quasisane ahungry sfa aajmakin vhost- dim sauerkrause ThePhoeron gko spacefrogg ecraven abend Tribal ggherdov Guest97484 Neptu gf3 K1rk jd__ smull_ dsp_ ashish__ jsnell_ Yamazaki-kun sbryant Watcher7 Tordek mshroyer tali713 Amadiro varjag oGMo Ash cross epsylon` arbscht nbouscal eak hyperboreean j_king banjiewen Cheery tomaw brucem stopbit adeht Roin eMBee Adeon 06:11:59 -!- names: oconnore samebchase H4ns subtlepath ramus gluegadget KingNato_ Sourceless nitro_idiot_ photex madnificent wyan vsync 06:14:47 s/decided// 06:14:47 -!- k0001 [~k0001@host200.186-125-151.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:14:47 -!- clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:17:28 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-187-77.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 06:19:41 in CL at least, yeah 06:19:41 to some extent 06:22:32 -!- |JRG| [~user@dynamic-adsl-94-34-151-82.clienti.tiscali.it] has left #lisp 06:27:23 ccl-logbot [~ccl-logbo@setf.clozure.com] has joined #lisp 06:27:23 06:27:23 -!- names: ccl-logbot gravicappa mcsontos ZombieChicken sdemarre yacks newblue stardiviner stepnem STilda BAMbanda cmm ggole ludocode oleo alezost lyanchih Vivitron __main__ motionman drmeister cyphase hiyosi sword kanru Vutral sohail nilsi_ kcj longlene capisce prxq_ cantstanya pegu` foreignFunction namtsui jaimef Codynyx francis_wolke ASau patrickwonders eigenlicht echo-area kpreid harish clop bege Posterdati billstclair danielszmulewicz emma ehaliewicz hydan 06:27:23 -!- names: REPLeffect rk[zzz] abeaumont Khisanth Mon_Ouie nightfly samskull` nug700 optikalmouse benny p_l bhyde easye sttau Patzy kirin` CrazyEddy fridim_ sirdancealo2 TDog frx theos delYsid` effy_ ezakimak MoALTz tinyghost phadthai antgreen deadghost segmondx sellout- jack_rabbit keen__ danlentz zophy BrianRice Bike Zagaba yrk aoh joshe edgar-rft nicdev [1]JPeterson shifty`` yano doomlord_ Kabaka d4gg4d_ pchrist robot-beethoven cdidd angavrilov araujo seangrove pjb 06:27:23 -!- names: ered peccu ianmcorvidae antoszka Sgeo eli _schulte1 ckoch786 nullman nightshade427 krrrcks paddymahoney xenophon ft asedeno Tarential Yanez wchun newcup zenoli cmatei ivan Mandus ski Anarch MikeSeth ineiros_ git z0d [SLB] vnz marsam DrCode clop2 aerique EvW prip karswell setheus_ guaqua luis tychoish Krystof_ otwieracz alabaster Elvaron `fogus djinni` johs pok aftershave nuba expez dan64 justinmcp xristos sjl j0ni ``Erik qiemem NNshag mikaelj Jubb gensym 06:27:23 -!- names: sshirokov acieroid dfox GuilOooo redline6561 balle ozialien cods nialo loke Tristam Fade koisoke DrForr sigjuice_ Wukix` milosn impulse scharan felipe tessier obre zfx- stokachu PuffTheMagic bben ^self _5kg seantallen yeltzooo sid_cypher iwilcox freiksenet Zhivago yroeht rabite finnrobi wilfredh ferada joast surrounder mtd_ jayne specbot zbigniew Shozan dotemacs hugod bobbysmith007 PuercoPop housel schoppenhauer dRbiG theBlackDragon adhoc froggey rtoym wolgo 06:27:23 -!- names: rk[imposter] sabra Praise aeth _d3f willyfrog fikusz Natch hpd felideon bjorkintosh fmu____ tensorpudding srcerer AntiSpamMeta notori0us cnl sepi yonkeltron TristamWrk cpape The_third_man |3b| AeroNotix flip214 w|t lemoinem daimrod brown` Subfusc foom ircbrowse tkd ve cibs mal___ arrsim joneshf-work minion ivan\ Oddity fe[nl]ix Blkt fmu galdor kbtr drdo cpt_nemo tvaalen eagleflo lusory sytse rvirding rotty clog BlastHardcheese mau_ hypno kmder Ralt copec 06:27:23 -!- names: Kruppe gemelen jasom zz_karupanerura gabot igorw plathrop cmbntr_ quasisane ahungry sfa aajmakin vhost- dim sauerkrause ThePhoeron gko spacefrogg ecraven abend Tribal ggherdov Guest97484 Neptu gf3 K1rk jd__ smull_ dsp_ ashish__ jsnell_ Yamazaki-kun sbryant Watcher7 Tordek mshroyer tali713 Amadiro varjag oGMo Ash cross epsylon` arbscht nbouscal eak hyperboreean j_king banjiewen Cheery tomaw brucem stopbit adeht Roin eMBee Adeon oconnore samebchase H4ns vsync 06:27:23 -!- names: wyan madnificent photex nitro_idiot_ Sourceless KingNato_ gluegadget ramus subtlepath 06:28:29 Ok. Thanks 06:28:40 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-154-167.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:29:06 does this server have a lisp interpreter bot 06:29:14 malbertife__ [~malbertif@host149-60-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 06:29:37 this channel does not. 06:33:25 ltbarcly [~textual@pool-71-116-67-9.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 06:35:02 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@pool-71-116-67-9.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 06:35:02 mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has joined #lisp 06:36:41 clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has joined #lisp 06:41:20 ccl-logbot [~ccl-logbo@setf.clozure.com] has joined #lisp 06:41:36 06:41:36 -!- names: ccl-logbot hitecnologys clmsy mathrick malbertife__ gravicappa mcsontos ZombieChicken sdemarre yacks newblue stardiviner stepnem STilda BAMbanda cmm ggole ludocode alezost lyanchih Vivitron __main__ motionman drmeister cyphase hiyosi sword kanru Vutral sohail nilsi_ kcj longlene capisce prxq_ cantstanya 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[1]JPeterson shifty`` yano doomlord_ Kabaka d4gg4d_ pchrist robot-beethoven cdidd angavrilov araujo seangrove pjb ered 06:51:19 -!- names: peccu ianmcorvidae antoszka Sgeo eli _schulte1 ckoch786 nullman nightshade427 krrrcks paddymahoney xenophon ft asedeno Tarential Yanez wchun newcup zenoli cmatei ivan Mandus ski Anarch MikeSeth ineiros_ git z0d [SLB] vnz marsam DrCode clop2 aerique EvW prip karswell setheus_ guaqua luis tychoish Krystof_ otwieracz alabaster Elvaron `fogus djinni` johs pok aftershave nuba expez dan64 justinmcp xristos sjl j0ni ``Erik qiemem NNshag mikaelj Jubb gensym 06:51:19 -!- names: sshirokov acieroid dfox GuilOooo redline6561 balle ozialien cods nialo loke Tristam Fade koisoke DrForr sigjuice_ Wukix` milosn impulse scharan felipe tessier obre zfx- stokachu PuffTheMagic bben ^self _5kg seantallen yeltzooo sid_cypher iwilcox freiksenet Zhivago yroeht rabite finnrobi wilfredh ferada joast surrounder mtd_ jayne specbot zbigniew Shozan dotemacs hugod bobbysmith007 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eMBee Adeon oconnore samebchase 06:51:19 -!- names: H4ns subtlepath ramus gluegadget KingNato_ Sourceless nitro_idiot_ photex madnificent wyan vsync 06:53:04 ccl-logbot [~ccl-logbo@setf.clozure.com] has joined #lisp 06:53:04 06:53:04 -!- names: ccl-logbot echo-area hitecnologys clmsy mathrick gravicappa mcsontos ZombieChicken yacks newblue stardiviner stepnem STilda BAMbanda cmm ggole ludocode alezost lyanchih Vivitron __main__ motionman drmeister cyphase hiyosi sword kanru Vutral sohail kcj capisce prxq_ cantstanya pegu` foreignFunction namtsui jaimef Codynyx francis_wolke ASau patrickwonders eigenlicht kpreid harish clop bege Posterdati billstclair danielszmulewicz emma ehaliewicz hydan 06:53:04 -!- names: REPLeffect rk[zzz] abeaumont Khisanth Mon_Ouie nightfly samskull` nug700 optikalmouse benny p_l bhyde easye sttau Patzy kirin` CrazyEddy sirdancealo2 TDog frx theos delYsid` effy_ ezakimak MoALTz tinyghost phadthai antgreen deadghost segmondx sellout- jack_rabbit keen__ danlentz 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tychoish Krystof_ otwieracz alabaster Elvaron `fogus djinni` johs pok aftershave nuba expez dan64 07:58:46 -!- names: justinmcp xristos sjl j0ni ``Erik qiemem NNshag mikaelj Jubb gensym sshirokov acieroid dfox GuilOooo redline6561 balle ozialien cods nialo loke Tristam Fade koisoke DrForr sigjuice_ Wukix` milosn impulse scharan felipe tessier obre zfx- stokachu PuffTheMagic bben ^self _5kg seantallen yeltzooo sid_cypher iwilcox freiksenet Zhivago yroeht rabite finnrobi wilfredh ferada joast surrounder mtd_ jayne specbot zbigniew Shozan dotemacs hugod bobbysmith007 07:58:46 -!- names: PuercoPop housel schoppenhauer dRbiG theBlackDragon adhoc froggey rtoym wolgo rk[imposter] sabra Praise aeth _d3f willyfrog fikusz Natch hpd felideon bjorkintosh fmu____ tensorpudding srcerer AntiSpamMeta notori0us cnl sepi yonkeltron TristamWrk cpape The_third_man |3b| AeroNotix w|t lemoinem daimrod brown` Subfusc foom tkd ve cibs mal___ arrsim joneshf-work minion ivan\ Oddity fe[nl]ix Blkt fmu galdor kbtr drdo cpt_nemo tvaalen eagleflo lusory sytse 07:58:46 -!- names: rvirding rotty clog BlastHardcheese mau_ hypno kmder Ralt copec Kruppe gemelen jasom zz_karupanerura gabot igorw plathrop cmbntr_ quasisane ahungry sfa aajmakin vhost- dim sauerkrause ThePhoeron gko spacefrogg ecraven abend Tribal ggherdov Guest97484 Neptu gf3 K1rk jd__ smull_ dsp_ ashish__ jsnell_ Yamazaki-kun sbryant Watcher7 Tordek mshroyer tali713 Amadiro varjag oGMo Ash cross epsylon` arbscht nbouscal eak hyperboreean subtlepath ramus gluegadget 07:58:46 -!- names: KingNato_ Sourceless nitro_idiot_ photex madnificent wyan vsync samebchase oconnore Adeon j_king banjiewen Cheery tomaw brucem stopbit adeht Roin 07:58:47 (my-macro "SYMBOL") 07:58:49 or read the case. 07:59:07 xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.187.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #lisp 08:02:58 That example doesn't make sense. Can you paste code or something? 08:02:58 https://gist.github.com/burrows-labs/7299474 08:02:58 frxx [~frx@78-0-234-144.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 08:02:58 Can't you just pass it "is" "very"? 08:02:58 Davidbrcz [~david@88.115.137.88.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 08:02:58 Oh, no, it uses the variable values, is that it. 08:02:58 Write that example kind of sucks because I didnt' actually add the variables 08:02:58 echo-area [~user@182.92.247.2] has joined #lisp 08:03:22 well, i don't think that's a typical example. you're basically READing the variable names from the string. 08:03:22 Yes. 08:03:22 -!- frx [~frx@78-1-137-141.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:03:22 so of course you'd do your own, well, reading, like using readtable case. not really to do with the finding symbols step. 08:04:08 ccl-logbot [~ccl-logbo@setf.clozure.com] has joined #lisp 08:04:08 08:04:08 -!- names: ccl-logbot echo-area Davidbrcz frxx xan_ Okasu danielszmulewicz H4ns` flip214 ircbrowse mc40 Harag abunchofdollarsi mishoo xificurC syrinx stardiviner mrSpec eMBee ltbarcly clmsy hitecnologys gravicappa mcsontos ZombieChicken yacks newblue stepnem STilda BAMbanda cmm ggole ludocode alezost lyanchih Vivitron __main__ motionman cyphase hiyosi sword kanru Vutral sohail kcj capisce prxq_ cantstanya pegu` foreignFunction namtsui jaimef Codynyx francis_wolke 08:04:08 -!- names: ASau patrickwonders eigenlicht kpreid harish clop bege Posterdati billstclair emma ehaliewicz hydan REPLeffect rk[zzz] abeaumont Khisanth Mon_Ouie nightfly samskull` nug700 optikalmouse benny p_l bhyde easye sttau Patzy kirin` CrazyEddy sirdancealo2 TDog theos delYsid` effy_ ezakimak MoALTz tinyghost phadthai antgreen deadghost segmondx sellout- jack_rabbit keen__ danlentz zophy BrianRice Bike Zagaba yrk aoh joshe edgar-rft nicdev [1]JPeterson shifty`` 08:04:08 -!- names: yano doomlord_ Kabaka d4gg4d_ pchrist robot-beethoven cdidd angavrilov araujo seangrove pjb ered peccu ianmcorvidae antoszka Sgeo eli _schulte1 ckoch786 nullman nightshade427 krrrcks paddymahoney xenophon ft asedeno Tarential Yanez wchun newcup zenoli cmatei ivan Mandus ski Anarch MikeSeth ineiros_ git z0d [SLB] vnz marsam DrCode clop2 aerique EvW prip karswell setheus_ guaqua luis tychoish Krystof_ otwieracz alabaster Elvaron `fogus djinni` johs pok 08:04:08 -!- names: aftershave nuba expez dan64 justinmcp xristos sjl j0ni ``Erik qiemem NNshag mikaelj Jubb gensym sshirokov acieroid dfox GuilOooo redline6561 balle ozialien cods nialo j_king banjiewen Cheery tomaw brucem stopbit adeht Roin Adeon oconnore samebchase vsync wyan madnificent photex nitro_idiot_ Sourceless KingNato_ gluegadget ramus subtlepath hyperboreean eak nbouscal arbscht epsylon` cross Ash oGMo varjag Amadiro tali713 mshroyer Tordek Watcher7 sbryant 08:04:08 -!- names: Yamazaki-kun jsnell_ ashish__ dsp_ smull_ jd__ K1rk gf3 Neptu Guest97484 ggherdov Tribal abend ecraven spacefrogg gko ThePhoeron sauerkrause dim vhost- aajmakin sfa ahungry quasisane cmbntr_ plathrop igorw gabot zz_karupanerura jasom gemelen Kruppe copec Ralt kmder hypno mau_ BlastHardcheese clog rotty rvirding sytse lusory eagleflo tvaalen cpt_nemo drdo kbtr galdor fmu Blkt fe[nl]ix Oddity ivan\ minion joneshf-work arrsim mal___ cibs ve tkd foom Subfusc 08:04:08 -!- names: brown` daimrod lemoinem w|t AeroNotix |3b| The_third_man cpape TristamWrk yonkeltron sepi cnl notori0us AntiSpamMeta srcerer tensorpudding fmu____ bjorkintosh felideon hpd Natch fikusz willyfrog _d3f aeth Praise sabra rk[imposter] wolgo rtoym froggey adhoc theBlackDragon dRbiG schoppenhauer housel PuercoPop bobbysmith007 hugod dotemacs Shozan zbigniew specbot jayne mtd_ surrounder joast ferada wilfredh finnrobi rabite yroeht Zhivago freiksenet iwilcox 08:04:08 -!- names: sid_cypher yeltzooo seantallen _5kg ^self bben PuffTheMagic stokachu zfx- obre tessier felipe scharan impulse milosn Wukix` sigjuice_ DrForr koisoke Fade Tristam loke 08:04:08 -rothfuss.freenode.net:#lisp- [freenode-info] if you're at a conference and other people are having trouble connecting, please mention it to staff: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp 08:04:41 i mean you can imagine extending this so that you can put arbitrary forms in the #{ }, in which case you'd definitely use a/the reader. 08:05:35 I see yes, that makes sense. 08:05:48 macrobat [~beep@h-199-47.a328.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #lisp 08:06:10 May just do that now. 08:06:23 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@88.115.137.88.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:07:25 have you seen cl-interpol? 08:07:25 Yes. 08:07:25 quicklisp'd it and something broke; didn't feel like investigating. 08:08:28 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-11-67.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 08:10:04 -!- sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 08:11:12 jewel [~jewel@105-236-138-104.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 08:13:26 -!- deadghost [~deadghost@pool-72-67-200-248.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:13:58 -!- mc40 [~mc@146.255.107.116] has quit [Quit: mc40] 08:14:32 -!- hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@46.233.236.203] has quit [Quit: hitecnologys] 08:19:34 ccl-logbot [~ccl-logbo@setf.clozure.com] has joined #lisp 08:19:34 08:19:34 -!- names: ccl-logbot resttime mvilleneuve mathrick jewel Beetny macrobat echo-area frxx xan_ Okasu danielszmulewicz H4ns` flip214 ircbrowse Harag abunchofdollarsi mishoo xificurC syrinx stardiviner mrSpec eMBee ltbarcly clmsy gravicappa mcsontos ZombieChicken yacks newblue stepnem STilda BAMbanda cmm ggole ludocode alezost lyanchih Vivitron __main__ motionman cyphase hiyosi sword kanru Vutral kcj capisce prxq_ cantstanya pegu` foreignFunction namtsui jaimef Codynyx 08:19:34 -!- names: francis_wolke ASau patrickwonders eigenlicht kpreid harish clop bege Posterdati billstclair emma ehaliewicz hydan REPLeffect rk[zzz] abeaumont Khisanth Mon_Ouie nightfly samskull` nug700 optikalmouse benny p_l bhyde easye sttau Patzy kirin` CrazyEddy sirdancealo2 TDog theos delYsid` effy_ ezakimak MoALTz tinyghost phadthai antgreen segmondx sellout- jack_rabbit keen__ danlentz zophy BrianRice Bike Zagaba yrk aoh joshe edgar-rft nicdev [1]JPeterson shifty`` 08:19:34 -!- names: yano doomlord_ Kabaka d4gg4d_ pchrist robot-beethoven cdidd angavrilov araujo seangrove pjb ered peccu ianmcorvidae antoszka Sgeo eli _schulte1 ckoch786 nullman nightshade427 krrrcks paddymahoney xenophon ft asedeno Tarential Yanez wchun newcup zenoli cmatei ivan Mandus ski Anarch MikeSeth ineiros_ git z0d [SLB] vnz marsam DrCode clop2 aerique EvW prip karswell setheus_ guaqua luis tychoish Krystof_ otwieracz alabaster Elvaron `fogus djinni` johs pok 08:19:34 -!- names: aftershave nuba expez dan64 justinmcp xristos sjl j0ni ``Erik qiemem NNshag mikaelj Jubb gensym sshirokov acieroid dfox GuilOooo redline6561 balle ozialien cods nialo loke Tristam Fade koisoke DrForr sigjuice_ Wukix` milosn impulse scharan felipe tessier obre zfx- stokachu PuffTheMagic bben ^self _5kg j_king banjiewen Cheery tomaw brucem stopbit adeht Roin Adeon oconnore samebchase vsync wyan madnificent photex nitro_idiot_ Sourceless KingNato_ gluegadget 08:19:34 -!- names: ramus subtlepath hyperboreean eak nbouscal arbscht epsylon` cross Ash oGMo varjag Amadiro tali713 mshroyer Tordek Watcher7 sbryant Yamazaki-kun jsnell_ ashish__ dsp_ smull_ jd__ K1rk gf3 Neptu Guest97484 ggherdov Tribal abend ecraven spacefrogg gko ThePhoeron sauerkrause dim vhost- aajmakin sfa ahungry quasisane cmbntr_ plathrop igorw gabot zz_karupanerura jasom gemelen Kruppe copec Ralt kmder hypno mau_ BlastHardcheese clog rotty rvirding sytse lusory 08:19:34 -!- names: eagleflo tvaalen cpt_nemo drdo kbtr galdor fmu Blkt fe[nl]ix Oddity ivan\ minion joneshf-work arrsim mal___ cibs ve tkd foom Subfusc brown` daimrod lemoinem w|t AeroNotix |3b| The_third_man cpape TristamWrk yonkeltron sepi cnl notori0us AntiSpamMeta srcerer tensorpudding fmu____ bjorkintosh felideon hpd Natch fikusz willyfrog _d3f aeth Praise sabra rk[imposter] wolgo rtoym froggey adhoc theBlackDragon dRbiG schoppenhauer housel PuercoPop bobbysmith007 08:19:34 -!- names: hugod dotemacs Shozan zbigniew specbot jayne mtd_ surrounder joast ferada wilfredh finnrobi rabite yroeht Zhivago freiksenet iwilcox sid_cypher yeltzooo seantallen 08:19:34 varjagg [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has joined #lisp 08:19:58 the log file contains plaintext too be parsed 08:20:20 like "block { 08:20:25 label vmc 08:20:42 avg_kinetic_energy { -0.332132 } 08:20:46 and so on so forth 08:21:05 lot's of blocks 08:21:07 might as well try it. 08:21:11 gzg [~user@24-217-211-79.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #lisp 08:22:10 true, though I was thinking of avoiding that lol 08:22:44 the way that the data is to be parsed is a little bit complicated 08:24:16 -!- clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:25:32 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 08:26:51 -!- hydan [~hydan@ip-89-103-110-5.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:26:59 i 08:27:13 -!- H4ns` is now known as H4ns 08:27:14 hi! ;-) 08:31:57 mac_ [~mac@99-18-22-204.lightspeed.rkwdmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 08:35:46 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 08:38:41 -!- gzg [~user@24-217-211-79.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:39:09 zickzackv [~faot@port-92-198-30-130.static.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 08:39:20 -!- mac_ [~mac@99-18-22-204.lightspeed.rkwdmi.sbcglobal.net] has left #lisp 08:41:32 question about API design. In my case I have several sources of data, which are all implementing a map-rows function. I want that to be a generic with different implementations. I'm realising that the definition of a source could be generic enough to be used by all source implementations (MySQL, SQLite, CSV, DBF...) 08:41:32 would you rather turn to defclass and subclass just to get a different type to match in the defmethod definitions, or dispatch on a symbol? 08:46:51 doesn't the dispatch on symbol way force you to repeat that symbol in each call? 08:56:29 -!- danielszmulewicz [~danielszm@94.159.136.220] has quit [Quit: danielszmulewicz] 08:56:29 yes, but I have very limited call points 08:56:29 I have a parser that produces the caller code, and some tests 08:56:29 mmm actually I don't have tests that bypass the caller code anymore 08:56:29 -!- Harag [~Thunderbi@105-237-64-118.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:56:29 still, call points tend to increase. as a matter of API design, I would go for defclass. It also makes changing the choice of source more localized. 08:56:29 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:56:29 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 08:56:29 sounds like good advice, thanks 08:59:26 ccl-logbot [~ccl-logbo@setf.clozure.com] has joined #lisp 08:59:26 08:59:26 -!- names: ccl-logbot ianmcorvidae clmsy drmeister zickzackv attila_lendvai kushal varjagg resttime mvilleneuve jewel Beetny macrobat echo-area frxx xan_ Okasu H4ns flip214 ircbrowse abunchofdollarsi mishoo xificurC syrinx stardiviner mrSpec eMBee ltbarcly gravicappa mcsontos ZombieChicken yacks newblue stepnem STilda BAMbanda cmm ggole ludocode alezost lyanchih Vivitron __main__ motionman cyphase hiyosi sword kanru Vutral kcj capisce prxq_ cantstanya pegu` 08:59:26 -!- names: foreignFunction namtsui jaimef Codynyx francis_wolke ASau patrickwonders eigenlicht kpreid harish clop bege Posterdati billstclair emma ehaliewicz REPLeffect rk[zzz] abeaumont Khisanth Mon_Ouie nightfly samskull` nug700 optikalmouse benny p_l bhyde easye sttau Patzy kirin` CrazyEddy sirdancealo2 TDog theos delYsid` effy_ ezakimak MoALTz tinyghost phadthai antgreen segmondx sellout- jack_rabbit keen__ danlentz zophy BrianRice Bike Zagaba yrk aoh joshe 08:59:26 -!- names: edgar-rft nicdev [1]JPeterson shifty`` yano doomlord_ Kabaka d4gg4d_ pchrist robot-beethoven cdidd angavrilov araujo seangrove pjb ered peccu antoszka Sgeo eli _schulte1 ckoch786 nullman nightshade427 krrrcks paddymahoney xenophon ft asedeno Tarential Yanez wchun newcup zenoli cmatei ivan Mandus ski Anarch MikeSeth ineiros_ git z0d [SLB] vnz marsam DrCode clop2 aerique EvW prip karswell setheus_ guaqua luis tychoish Krystof_ otwieracz alabaster Elvaron 08:59:26 -!- names: `fogus djinni` johs pok aftershave nuba expez dan64 justinmcp xristos sjl j0ni ``Erik qiemem NNshag mikaelj Jubb gensym sshirokov acieroid dfox GuilOooo redline6561 balle ozialien cods nialo loke Tristam Fade koisoke DrForr sigjuice_ Wukix` milosn impulse scharan felipe tessier obre zfx- stokachu PuffTheMagic bben ^self _5kg seantallen yeltzooo sid_cypher iwilcox freiksenet Zhivago yroeht rabite finnrobi wilfredh ferada joast surrounder mtd_ jayne specbot 08:59:26 -!- names: zbigniew Shozan dotemacs hugod bobbysmith007 PuercoPop housel schoppenhauer dRbiG theBlackDragon adhoc froggey rtoym wolgo rk[imposter] sabra Praise aeth _d3f willyfrog fikusz Natch hpd felideon bjorkintosh fmu____ tensorpudding srcerer AntiSpamMeta notori0us cnl sepi yonkeltron TristamWrk cpape The_third_man |3b| AeroNotix w|t lemoinem daimrod brown` Subfusc foom tkd ve cibs mal___ arrsim joneshf-work minion ivan\ Oddity fe[nl]ix Blkt fmu galdor kbtr 08:59:26 -!- names: drdo cpt_nemo tvaalen eagleflo lusory sytse rvirding rotty clog BlastHardcheese mau_ hypno kmder Ralt copec Kruppe gemelen jasom zz_karupanerura gabot igorw plathrop cmbntr_ quasisane ahungry sfa subtlepath ramus gluegadget KingNato_ Sourceless nitro_idiot_ photex madnificent wyan vsync samebchase oconnore Adeon Roin adeht stopbit brucem tomaw Cheery banjiewen j_king hyperboreean eak nbouscal arbscht epsylon` cross Ash oGMo varjag Amadiro tali713 mshroyer 08:59:26 -!- names: Tordek Watcher7 sbryant Yamazaki-kun jsnell_ ashish__ dsp_ smull_ jd__ K1rk gf3 Neptu Guest97484 ggherdov Tribal abend ecraven spacefrogg gko ThePhoeron sauerkrause dim vhost- aajmakin 09:02:20 or do as everyone and write your own defclass* macro :) 09:02:52 mmm, any good lib available doing that in an interesting or proper way? 09:04:21 don't know. it was meant ironically. it seems to be a rite of passage like writing an infix reader macro. 09:04:56 I avoided those til now 09:05:10 made a defstruct* macro once though, to automatically add a boa constructor 09:05:14 maybe that counts ;-) 09:06:52 -!- clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:07:28 clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has joined #lisp 09:07:39 mathrick 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araujo seangrove pjb ered peccu antoszka Sgeo eli _schulte1 ckoch786 nullman nightshade427 krrrcks paddymahoney xenophon ft asedeno Tarential Yanez wchun newcup zenoli cmatei ivan Mandus ski Anarch MikeSeth ineiros_ git z0d [SLB] vnz marsam DrCode clop2 aerique EvW prip karswell setheus_ guaqua luis tychoish 09:30:56 -!- names: Krystof_ alabaster Elvaron `fogus djinni` johs pok aftershave nuba expez dan64 justinmcp xristos sjl j0ni ``Erik qiemem NNshag mikaelj Jubb gensym sshirokov acieroid dfox GuilOooo redline6561 balle ozialien cods nialo loke Tristam Fade koisoke DrForr sigjuice_ Wukix` milosn impulse scharan felipe tessier obre zfx- stokachu PuffTheMagic bben ^self _5kg seantallen yeltzooo sid_cypher iwilcox freiksenet Zhivago yroeht rabite finnrobi wilfredh ferada joast 09:30:56 -!- names: surrounder mtd_ jayne specbot zbigniew Shozan dotemacs hugod bobbysmith007 PuercoPop housel schoppenhauer dRbiG theBlackDragon adhoc froggey rtoym wolgo rk[imposter] sabra Praise aeth _d3f willyfrog fikusz Natch hpd felideon bjorkintosh fmu____ tensorpudding srcerer AntiSpamMeta notori0us cnl sepi yonkeltron TristamWrk cpape The_third_man |3b| AeroNotix w|t lemoinem daimrod brown` Subfusc foom tkd ve cibs mal___ arrsim joneshf-work minion ivan\ Oddity 09:30:56 -!- names: fe[nl]ix Blkt fmu galdor kbtr drdo cpt_nemo tvaalen eagleflo lusory sytse rvirding rotty clog BlastHardcheese mau_ hypno kmder Ralt copec Kruppe gemelen jasom zz_karupanerura gabot igorw plathrop cmbntr_ quasisane ahungry sfa aajmakin vhost- dim sauerkrause ThePhoeron gko spacefrogg ecraven abend Tribal ggherdov Guest97484 Neptu gf3 K1rk jd__ smull_ dsp_ ashish__ jsnell_ Yamazaki-kun sbryant Watcher7 Tordek mshroyer tali713 Amadiro varjag oGMo Ash cross 09:30:56 -!- names: epsylon` arbscht nbouscal eak hyperboreean j_king banjiewen Cheery tomaw brucem stopbit adeht Roin Adeon oconnore samebchase subtlepath ramus gluegadget KingNato_ Sourceless nitro_idiot_ photex madnificent wyan vsync 09:30:56 -!- platypine [platypine@unaffiliated/doritos] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:30:56 -!- clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:30:56 clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has joined #lisp 09:31:35 dim: in my experience and from observation i find that defclass*-macros are not really worth the trouble. defclass may be a bit verbose, but a little emacs can help with automatically creating accessors if one really finds the typing bothersome. 09:31:58 ccl-logbot [~ccl-logbo@setf.clozure.com] has joined #lisp 09:31:58 09:31:58 -!- names: ccl-logbot clmsy otwieracz mc40 przl MrWoohoo deadghost Code_Man` mathrick ianmcorvidae zickzackv attila_lendvai kushal varjagg mvilleneuve jewel Beetny macrobat echo-area frxx xan_ Okasu H4ns flip214 ircbrowse abunchofdollarsi mishoo xificurC syrinx stardiviner mrSpec eMBee ltbarcly gravicappa mcsontos ZombieChicken yacks newblue stepnem STilda BAMbanda cmm ggole ludocode alezost lyanchih Vivitron __main__ motionman cyphase hiyosi sword kanru Vutral kcj 09:31:58 -!- names: capisce prxq_ cantstanya pegu` foreignFunction namtsui jaimef Codynyx francis_wolke ASau patrickwonders eigenlicht kpreid harish clop bege Posterdati billstclair emma ehaliewicz REPLeffect rk[zzz] abeaumont Khisanth Mon_Ouie nightfly samskull` optikalmouse benny p_l bhyde easye sttau Patzy kirin` CrazyEddy sirdancealo2 TDog theos delYsid` effy_ ezakimak MoALTz tinyghost phadthai antgreen segmondx sellout- jack_rabbit keen__ danlentz zophy BrianRice Bike 09:31:58 -!- names: Zagaba yrk aoh joshe edgar-rft nicdev [1]JPeterson shifty`` yano doomlord_ Kabaka d4gg4d_ pchrist robot-beethoven cdidd angavrilov araujo seangrove pjb ered peccu antoszka Sgeo eli _schulte1 ckoch786 nullman nightshade427 krrrcks paddymahoney xenophon ft asedeno Tarential Yanez wchun newcup zenoli cmatei ivan Mandus ski Anarch MikeSeth ineiros_ git z0d [SLB] vnz marsam DrCode clop2 aerique EvW prip karswell setheus_ guaqua luis tychoish Krystof_ alabaster 09:31:58 -!- names: Elvaron `fogus djinni` johs pok aftershave nuba expez dan64 justinmcp xristos sjl j0ni ``Erik qiemem NNshag mikaelj Jubb gensym sshirokov acieroid dfox GuilOooo redline6561 balle ozialien cods nialo loke Tristam Fade koisoke DrForr sigjuice_ Wukix` milosn impulse scharan felipe tessier obre zfx- stokachu PuffTheMagic bben ^self _5kg j_king banjiewen Cheery tomaw brucem stopbit adeht Roin Adeon oconnore samebchase vsync wyan madnificent photex nitro_idiot_ 09:31:58 -!- names: Sourceless KingNato_ gluegadget ramus subtlepath hyperboreean eak nbouscal arbscht epsylon` cross Ash oGMo varjag Amadiro tali713 mshroyer Tordek Watcher7 sbryant Yamazaki-kun jsnell_ ashish__ dsp_ smull_ jd__ K1rk gf3 Neptu Guest97484 ggherdov Tribal abend ecraven spacefrogg gko ThePhoeron sauerkrause dim vhost- aajmakin sfa ahungry quasisane cmbntr_ plathrop igorw gabot zz_karupanerura jasom gemelen Kruppe copec Ralt kmder hypno mau_ BlastHardcheese clog 09:31:58 -!- names: rotty rvirding sytse lusory eagleflo tvaalen cpt_nemo drdo kbtr galdor fmu Blkt fe[nl]ix Oddity ivan\ minion joneshf-work arrsim mal___ cibs ve tkd foom Subfusc brown` daimrod lemoinem w|t AeroNotix |3b| The_third_man cpape TristamWrk yonkeltron sepi cnl notori0us AntiSpamMeta srcerer tensorpudding fmu____ bjorkintosh felideon hpd Natch fikusz willyfrog _d3f aeth Praise sabra rk[imposter] wolgo rtoym froggey adhoc theBlackDragon dRbiG schoppenhauer housel 09:31:58 -!- names: PuercoPop bobbysmith007 hugod dotemacs Shozan zbigniew specbot jayne mtd_ surrounder joast ferada wilfredh finnrobi rabite yroeht Zhivago freiksenet iwilcox sid_cypher yeltzooo seantallen 09:32:24 of course, it is kind of the counter-thesis to "convention over configuration" which is fashionable nowadays. with clos, everything is explicit. 09:33:38 ggole_ [~ggole@124-169-204-208.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 09:35:26 -!- clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:35:52 drmeister 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Zhivago yroeht rabite finnrobi wilfredh ferada joast surrounder 09:41:54 -!- names: mtd_ jayne specbot zbigniew Shozan dotemacs hugod bobbysmith007 PuercoPop housel schoppenhauer dRbiG theBlackDragon adhoc froggey rtoym wolgo rk[imposter] sabra Praise aeth _d3f willyfrog fikusz Natch hpd felideon bjorkintosh fmu____ tensorpudding srcerer AntiSpamMeta notori0us cnl sepi yonkeltron TristamWrk cpape The_third_man |3b| AeroNotix w|t lemoinem daimrod brown` Subfusc foom tkd ve cibs mal___ arrsim joneshf-work minion ivan\ Oddity fe[nl]ix Blkt 09:41:54 -!- names: fmu galdor kbtr drdo cpt_nemo tvaalen eagleflo lusory sytse rvirding rotty clog BlastHardcheese mau_ hypno kmder Ralt copec Kruppe gemelen jasom zz_karupanerura gabot igorw plathrop cmbntr_ quasisane ahungry sfa aajmakin j_king banjiewen Cheery tomaw brucem stopbit adeht Roin Adeon oconnore samebchase vsync wyan madnificent photex nitro_idiot_ Sourceless KingNato_ gluegadget ramus subtlepath hyperboreean eak nbouscal arbscht epsylon` cross Ash oGMo varjag 09:41:54 -!- names: Amadiro tali713 mshroyer Tordek Watcher7 sbryant Yamazaki-kun jsnell_ ashish__ dsp_ smull_ jd__ K1rk gf3 Neptu Guest97484 ggherdov Tribal abend ecraven spacefrogg gko ThePhoeron sauerkrause dim vhost- 09:41:54 yeah, I guess I just need to get used 09:41:54 pavelpenev [~quassel@melontech.com] has joined #lisp 09:41:54 what about accessors vs with-slots? 09:41:54 it looks like a function call, I guess that's about it? 09:41:54 ck`` [~ck@dslb-094-219-255-002.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 09:45:34 ccl-logbot [~ccl-logbo@setf.clozure.com] has joined #lisp 09:45:34 09:45:34 -!- names: ccl-logbot ck`` pavelpenev drmeister ggole_ otwieracz mc40 przl MrWoohoo deadghost Code_Man` mathrick ianmcorvidae zickzackv attila_lendvai kushal varjagg mvilleneuve jewel Beetny macrobat echo-area frxx xan_ Okasu H4ns flip214 ircbrowse abunchofdollarsi mishoo xificurC syrinx stardiviner mrSpec eMBee ltbarcly gravicappa mcsontos ZombieChicken yacks newblue 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minion ivan\ 09:45:34 -!- names: Oddity fe[nl]ix Blkt fmu galdor kbtr drdo cpt_nemo tvaalen eagleflo lusory sytse rvirding rotty clog BlastHardcheese mau_ hypno kmder Ralt copec Kruppe gemelen jasom zz_karupanerura gabot igorw plathrop cmbntr_ quasisane ahungry sfa aajmakin vhost- dim sauerkrause ThePhoeron gko spacefrogg ecraven abend Tribal ggherdov Guest97484 Neptu gf3 K1rk jd__ smull_ dsp_ ashish__ jsnell_ Yamazaki-kun sbryant Watcher7 Tordek mshroyer tali713 Amadiro varjag oGMo Ash 09:45:34 -!- names: cross epsylon` arbscht nbouscal eak hyperboreean subtlepath ramus gluegadget KingNato_ Sourceless nitro_idiot_ photex madnificent wyan vsync samebchase oconnore Adeon j_king banjiewen Cheery tomaw brucem stopbit adeht Roin 09:45:53 -!- syrinx [~quassel@unaffiliated/syrinx-/x-4255893] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:46:20 clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has joined #lisp 09:48:49 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-187-77.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 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first 5 lines of http://www.cliki.net/keene 10:12:39 mmm 10:12:50 can I acces other slots from within a :initform expression? 10:12:52 minion: object oriented programming in common lisp 10:12:52 i'm written in common lisp 10:13:17 I don't think 10:13:26 -!- motionman [~motionman@unaffiliated/motionman] has quit [Quit: tschüß] 10:13:28 but you probably need to override initialize-instance 10:13:41 yeah I did that for a use case already, ok 10:13:55 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 10:14:53 -!- echo-area [~user@182.92.247.2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:18:37 minion: Keene 10:18:37 Keene: No definition was found in the first 5 lines of http://www.cliki.net/Keene 10:18:37 :| 10:18:37 dim: I find Keene's book to be a very nice reference http://cliki.net/Keene 10:18:37 thanks 10:18:37 Cymew [~user@fw01d.snowmen.se] has joined #lisp 10:18:37 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-77-179.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 10:22:30 ccl-logbot 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tomaw brucem stopbit adeht Roin Adeon oconnore samebchase subtlepath ramus gluegadget KingNato_ Sourceless nitro_idiot_ photex madnificent wyan vsync 11:57:30 milosn [~milosn@user-5af5063e.broadband.tesco.net] has joined #lisp 11:59:36 -!- Harag [~Thunderbi@105-236-43-77.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:00:41 -!- hiroaki [~hiroaki@p54830E43.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:00:45 dim: of course you can. :depends-on works just fine in this case. 12:00:45 well then I don't know how to spell out the dependency 12:00:45 hiroakip [~hiroaki@p54830E43.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 12:00:47 module src as a file package and a (sub) module pgsql where a file depends-on "package", that errors out 12:02:05 Can you paste code? 12:02:12 sure 12:02:32 przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has joined #lisp 12:02:32 That kind of code shouldn't normally throw error. 12:02:48 http://paste.lisp.org/display/139772 12:03:51 You can add 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This way you don't have to add "package" to each file. 12:04:09 k0001 [~k0001@host200.186-125-151.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 12:06:21 -!- hiroakip [~hiroaki@p54830E43.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:06:21 Hm, I don't see anything that could possibly cause errors. 12:06:40 does anybody know any CL startups that involve math and looking for developers? 12:07:39 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@pool-71-116-67-9.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 12:07:39 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-147-235.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 12:07:39 Component "package" not found, required by # [Condition of type ASDF/FIND-COMPONENT:MISSING-DEPENDENCY] 12:07:43 that's the error, trying with dependencies at the ,odule level 12:10:35 STilda: You can check out http://lispjobs.wordpress.com/ 12:11:06 hitecnologys: yeah, moving the dependencies at the module level did it 12:11:06 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-11-67.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:11:06 STilda: had a look at Grammarly? 12:11:14 see http://paste.lisp.org/display/139772#1 12:11:34 dim: I think ASDF only searches at the level of component, that's why it doesn't see "package" because it's upper. 12:14:19 exactly 12:14:19 and that was my question actually 12:14:19 ltbarcly [~textual@pool-71-116-67-9.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 12:14:19 madrik [~user@122.168.205.52] has joined #lisp 12:15:17 eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-37-50.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 12:15:56 -!- Vivitron [~Vivitron@c-50-172-44-193.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:16:19 antoszka: thanks, looking at it 12:18:22 nipra [~nipra@122.177.44.48] has joined #lisp 12:18:47 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:18:54 STilda: also, this: http://lispjobs.wordpress.com/ 12:20:25 -!- flame_ [~flame_@unaffiliated/flame/x-0205742] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 12:20:37 -!- banjiewen [banjiewen@gateway/shell/cloudant/x-cmadrfsfvofcowre] has left #lisp 12:21:08 antoszka, it is the same link, right? 12:23:10 STilda: ah, sorry, I missed pavelpenev pointing it out to you. 12:24:28 STilda: And yeah, Grammarly is listed there, too. 12:27:04 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:29:36 -!- Shinmera [~linus@public-docking-pat-etx-mapped-0001.ethz.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:30:31 Karl_dscc [~localhost@wlan242126.rz.uni-leipzig.de] has joined #lisp 12:31:09 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 12:31:36 -!- Sgeo [~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:31:40 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 12:31:48 -!- ggole_ is now known as ggole 12:32:33 didi [~user@unaffiliated/didi/x-1022147] has joined #lisp 12:34:14 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:35:57 drmeister 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Zagaba yrk aoh joshe edgar-rft nicdev [1]JPeterson shifty`` yano doomlord_ Kabaka d4gg4d_ pchrist robot-beethoven cdidd angavrilov araujo pjb ered peccu antoszka _schulte1 ckoch786 nullman nightshade427 krrrcks paddymahoney xenophon ft asedeno Tarential Yanez wchun newcup zenoli cmatei ivan Mandus ski 13:45:27 -!- names: Anarch MikeSeth ineiros_ git z0d [SLB] vnz marsam DrCode clop2 aerique EvW prip karswell setheus_ guaqua luis tychoish Krystof_ alabaster Elvaron djinni` johs pok aftershave nuba expez dan64 justinmcp xristos sjl j0ni ``Erik qiemem NNshag mikaelj Jubb gensym sshirokov acieroid dfox GuilOooo redline6561 balle ozialien cods nialo loke Tristam Fade koisoke DrForr sigjuice_ Wukix` impulse scharan felipe tessier obre zfx- stokachu PuffTheMagic bben ^self _5kg 13:45:27 -!- names: seantallen yeltzooo sid_cypher iwilcox freiksenet Zhivago yroeht rabite finnrobi wilfredh ferada joast surrounder mtd jayne specbot zbigniew Shozan dotemacs hugod bobbysmith007 PuercoPop housel 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[~drmeister@166.137.107.215] has joined #lisp 13:57:50 -!- clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:57:50 Denommus [~user@unaffiliated/denommus] has joined #lisp 13:58:20 clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has joined #lisp 14:06:34 ccl-logbot [~ccl-logbo@setf.clozure.com] has joined #lisp 14:06:34 14:06:34 -!- names: ccl-logbot sohail clmsy Denommus drmeister fortitude normanrichards k0001_ przl kcj _schulte_ tylergoza didi segv- stassats zickzackv alezost lduros eudoxia milanj xotedend fe[nl]ix Blkt sablib mathrick Pullphinger mrSpec Karl_dscc madrik jtza8 milosn danielszmulewicz naryl hitecnologys zacharias __main__ LoicLisp kbtr Joreji theos stuckie eli kwmiebach matko mc40 Cymew peterhil kisp gravicappa scoofy ck`` pavelpenev ggole otwieracz MrWoohoo deadghost 14:06:34 -!- names: Code_Man` ianmcorvidae varjagg mvilleneuve jewel macrobat frxx xan_ H4ns flip214 ircbrowse abunchofdollarsi mishoo stardiviner eMBee mcsontos ZombieChicken stepnem STilda cmm ludocode lyanchih cyphase hiyosi sword kanru Vutral capisce prxq_ cantstanya pegu` foreignFunction namtsui jaimef Codynyx francis_wolke ASau patrickwonders eigenlicht kpreid harish clop bege Posterdati billstclair emma REPLeffect rk[wrkwrkwrk] abeaumont Khisanth Mon_Ouie nightfly 14:06:34 -!- names: samskull` optikalmouse benny p_l bhyde easye sttau Patzy kirin` CrazyEddy sirdancealo2 TDog delYsid` effy_ ezakimak MoALTz tinyghost phadthai segmondx sellout- jack_rabbit keen__ danlentz zophy BrianRice Bike Zagaba yrk aoh joshe edgar-rft nicdev [1]JPeterson shifty`` yano doomlord_ Kabaka d4gg4d_ pchrist robot-beethoven cdidd angavrilov araujo pjb ered peccu antoszka _schulte1 ckoch786 nullman nightshade427 krrrcks paddymahoney xenophon ft asedeno 14:06:34 -!- names: Tarential Yanez wchun newcup zenoli cmatei ivan Mandus ski Anarch MikeSeth ineiros_ git z0d [SLB] vnz marsam DrCode clop2 aerique EvW prip karswell setheus_ guaqua luis tychoish Krystof_ alabaster Elvaron djinni` johs pok aftershave nuba expez dan64 justinmcp xristos sjl j0ni ``Erik qiemem NNshag mikaelj Jubb gensym sshirokov acieroid dfox GuilOooo redline6561 balle ozialien cods nialo loke Tristam Fade koisoke DrForr sigjuice_ Wukix` impulse scharan 14:06:34 -!- names: felipe tessier obre zfx- stokachu PuffTheMagic bben ^self _5kg seantallen yeltzooo sid_cypher iwilcox freiksenet Zhivago yroeht rabite finnrobi wilfredh ferada joast surrounder mtd jayne specbot zbigniew Shozan dotemacs hugod bobbysmith007 PuercoPop housel schoppenhauer dRbiG theBlackDragon adhoc froggey rtoym wolgo rk[imposter] sabra Praise aeth _d3f willyfrog fikusz Natch hpd felideon bjorkintosh fmu____ tensorpudding srcerer AntiSpamMeta notori0us cnl 14:06:34 -!- names: sepi yonkeltron TristamWrk cpape The_third_man |3b| AeroNotix w|t lemoinem daimrod brown` Subfusc foom tkd ve cibs mal___ arrsim joneshf-work minion ivan\ Oddity fmu galdor drdo cpt_nemo tvaalen eagleflo lusory sytse rvirding rotty clog BlastHardcheese mau_ hypno kmder Ralt copec Kruppe gemelen jasom zz_karupanerura gabot igorw plathrop cmbntr_ quasisane ahungry sfa aajmakin vhost- dim sauerkrause ThePhoeron gko spacefrogg ecraven abend Tribal ggherdov 14:06:34 -!- names: Guest97484 Neptu gf3 K1rk jd__ smull_ dsp_ ashish__ jsnell_ Yamazaki-kun sbryant Watcher7 Tordek mshroyer tali713 Amadiro varjag oGMo Ash cross epsylon` arbscht nbouscal eak hyperboreean j_king Cheery tomaw brucem stopbit adeht Roin Adeon oconnore samebchase subtlepath ramus gluegadget KingNato_ Sourceless nitro_idiot_ photex madnificent wyan vsync 14:06:34 -!- clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:06:34 Hello, I have a question : I use QuickLisp and Buildapp with sbcl. In SBCL I have installed cxml, and work fine. Now I try to create a lisp image with buildapp, to use in my lisp file, cxml How I can import the package with (in-package ) ? 14:11:20 ccl-logbot [~ccl-logbo@setf.clozure.com] has joined #lisp 14:11:20 14:11:20 -!- names: ccl-logbot clmsy attila_lendvai Okasu sohail Denommus drmeister fortitude normanrichards k0001_ przl kcj _schulte_ tylergoza didi segv- stassats zickzackv alezost lduros eudoxia milanj xotedend fe[nl]ix Blkt sablib mathrick Pullphinger mrSpec Karl_dscc madrik jtza8 milosn danielszmulewicz naryl hitecnologys zacharias __main__ LoicLisp kbtr Joreji theos stuckie eli kwmiebach matko mc40 Cymew peterhil kisp gravicappa scoofy ck`` pavelpenev ggole otwieracz 14:11:20 -!- names: MrWoohoo deadghost Code_Man` ianmcorvidae varjagg mvilleneuve jewel macrobat frxx xan_ H4ns flip214 ircbrowse abunchofdollarsi mishoo stardiviner eMBee mcsontos ZombieChicken stepnem STilda cmm ludocode lyanchih cyphase hiyosi sword kanru Vutral capisce prxq_ cantstanya pegu` foreignFunction namtsui jaimef Codynyx francis_wolke ASau patrickwonders eigenlicht kpreid harish clop bege Posterdati billstclair emma REPLeffect rk[wrkwrkwrk] abeaumont Khisanth 14:11:20 -!- names: Mon_Ouie nightfly samskull` optikalmouse benny p_l bhyde easye sttau Patzy kirin` CrazyEddy sirdancealo2 TDog delYsid` effy_ ezakimak MoALTz tinyghost phadthai segmondx sellout- jack_rabbit keen__ danlentz zophy BrianRice Bike Zagaba yrk aoh joshe edgar-rft nicdev [1]JPeterson shifty`` yano doomlord_ Kabaka d4gg4d_ pchrist robot-beethoven cdidd angavrilov araujo pjb ered peccu antoszka _schulte1 ckoch786 nullman nightshade427 krrrcks paddymahoney 14:11:20 -!- names: xenophon ft asedeno Tarential Yanez wchun newcup zenoli cmatei ivan Mandus ski Anarch MikeSeth ineiros_ git z0d [SLB] vnz marsam DrCode clop2 aerique EvW prip karswell setheus_ guaqua luis tychoish Krystof_ alabaster Elvaron djinni` johs pok aftershave nuba expez dan64 justinmcp xristos sjl j0ni ``Erik qiemem NNshag mikaelj Jubb gensym sshirokov acieroid dfox GuilOooo redline6561 balle ozialien cods nialo loke Tristam Fade koisoke DrForr sigjuice_ Wukix` 14:11:20 -!- names: impulse scharan felipe tessier obre zfx- stokachu PuffTheMagic bben ^self _5kg seantallen yeltzooo sid_cypher iwilcox freiksenet Zhivago yroeht rabite finnrobi wilfredh ferada joast surrounder mtd jayne specbot zbigniew Shozan dotemacs hugod bobbysmith007 PuercoPop housel schoppenhauer dRbiG theBlackDragon adhoc froggey rtoym wolgo rk[imposter] sabra Praise aeth _d3f willyfrog fikusz Natch hpd felideon bjorkintosh fmu____ tensorpudding srcerer 14:11:20 -!- names: AntiSpamMeta notori0us cnl sepi yonkeltron TristamWrk cpape The_third_man |3b| AeroNotix w|t lemoinem daimrod brown` Subfusc foom tkd ve cibs mal___ arrsim joneshf-work minion ivan\ Oddity fmu galdor drdo cpt_nemo tvaalen eagleflo lusory sytse rvirding rotty clog BlastHardcheese mau_ hypno kmder Ralt copec Kruppe gemelen jasom zz_karupanerura gabot igorw plathrop cmbntr_ quasisane ahungry sfa aajmakin vhost- dim sauerkrause ThePhoeron gko spacefrogg 14:11:20 -!- names: ecraven abend Tribal ggherdov Guest97484 Neptu gf3 K1rk jd__ smull_ dsp_ ashish__ jsnell_ Yamazaki-kun sbryant Watcher7 Tordek mshroyer tali713 Amadiro varjag oGMo Ash cross epsylon` arbscht nbouscal eak hyperboreean subtlepath ramus gluegadget KingNato_ Sourceless nitro_idiot_ photex madnificent wyan vsync samebchase oconnore Adeon Roin adeht stopbit brucem j_king Cheery tomaw 14:13:40 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:14:08 yes, but I think I found a solution, I have forget to do in the beginning of my file to load with (load "~/quicklisp/setup.lsp") and then use (ql:quickload "cxml"). But I don't knwo if it's a good manner to do ? 14:20:07 ccl-logbot [~ccl-logbo@setf.clozure.com] has joined #lisp 14:20:07 14:20:07 -!- names: ccl-logbot clmsy Okasu sohail Denommus fortitude normanrichards k0001_ przl kcj _schulte_ tylergoza didi segv- stassats zickzackv alezost lduros eudoxia milanj xotedend fe[nl]ix Blkt sablib mathrick Pullphinger mrSpec Karl_dscc madrik jtza8 milosn danielszmulewicz naryl hitecnologys zacharias __main__ LoicLisp kbtr Joreji theos stuckie eli kwmiebach matko mc40 Cymew peterhil kisp gravicappa scoofy ck`` pavelpenev ggole otwieracz MrWoohoo deadghost 14:20:07 -!- names: Code_Man` ianmcorvidae varjagg mvilleneuve jewel macrobat frxx xan_ H4ns flip214 ircbrowse abunchofdollarsi mishoo stardiviner eMBee mcsontos ZombieChicken stepnem STilda cmm ludocode lyanchih cyphase hiyosi sword kanru Vutral capisce prxq_ cantstanya pegu` foreignFunction namtsui jaimef Codynyx francis_wolke ASau patrickwonders eigenlicht kpreid harish clop bege Posterdati billstclair emma REPLeffect rk[wrkwrkwrk] abeaumont Khisanth Mon_Ouie nightfly 14:20:07 -!- names: samskull` optikalmouse benny p_l bhyde easye sttau Patzy kirin` CrazyEddy sirdancealo2 TDog delYsid` effy_ ezakimak MoALTz tinyghost phadthai segmondx sellout- jack_rabbit keen__ danlentz zophy BrianRice Bike Zagaba yrk aoh joshe edgar-rft nicdev [1]JPeterson shifty`` yano doomlord_ Kabaka d4gg4d_ pchrist robot-beethoven cdidd angavrilov araujo pjb ered peccu antoszka _schulte1 ckoch786 nullman nightshade427 krrrcks paddymahoney xenophon ft asedeno 14:20:07 -!- names: Tarential Yanez wchun newcup zenoli cmatei ivan Mandus ski Anarch MikeSeth ineiros_ git z0d [SLB] vnz marsam DrCode clop2 aerique EvW prip karswell setheus_ guaqua luis tychoish Krystof_ alabaster Elvaron djinni` johs pok aftershave nuba expez dan64 justinmcp xristos sjl j0ni ``Erik qiemem NNshag mikaelj Jubb gensym sshirokov acieroid dfox GuilOooo redline6561 balle ozialien cods nialo loke Tristam Fade koisoke DrForr sigjuice_ Wukix` impulse scharan 14:20:07 -!- names: felipe tessier obre zfx- stokachu PuffTheMagic bben ^self _5kg seantallen yeltzooo sid_cypher iwilcox freiksenet Zhivago yroeht rabite finnrobi wilfredh ferada joast surrounder mtd jayne specbot zbigniew Shozan dotemacs hugod bobbysmith007 PuercoPop housel schoppenhauer dRbiG theBlackDragon adhoc froggey rtoym wolgo rk[imposter] sabra Praise aeth _d3f willyfrog fikusz Natch hpd felideon bjorkintosh fmu____ tensorpudding srcerer AntiSpamMeta notori0us cnl 14:20:07 -!- names: sepi yonkeltron TristamWrk cpape The_third_man |3b| AeroNotix w|t lemoinem daimrod brown` Subfusc foom tkd ve cibs mal___ arrsim joneshf-work minion ivan\ Oddity fmu galdor drdo cpt_nemo tvaalen eagleflo lusory sytse rvirding rotty clog BlastHardcheese mau_ hypno kmder Ralt copec Kruppe gemelen jasom zz_karupanerura gabot igorw plathrop cmbntr_ quasisane ahungry sfa aajmakin j_king Cheery tomaw brucem stopbit adeht Roin Adeon oconnore samebchase vsync 14:20:07 -!- names: wyan madnificent photex nitro_idiot_ Sourceless KingNato_ gluegadget ramus subtlepath hyperboreean eak nbouscal arbscht epsylon` cross Ash oGMo varjag Amadiro tali713 mshroyer Tordek Watcher7 sbryant Yamazaki-kun jsnell_ ashish__ dsp_ smull_ jd__ K1rk gf3 Neptu Guest97484 ggherdov Tribal abend ecraven spacefrogg gko ThePhoeron sauerkrause dim vhost- 14:20:07 w|t: looks ugly as hell 14:20:07 w|t: that's vim, right? 14:20:07 yes, it's vim 14:20:07 code or theme or parens ugly? 14:20:07 -!- danielszmulewicz [~danielszm@5.22.135.239] has quit [Quit: danielszmulewicz] 14:20:07 =P 14:20:07 I don't like rainbow parens. I prefer simply using show-paren-mode 14:20:07 w|t: which syntax file do you use? The one that comes with slimv? 14:20:07 i don't use slimv 14:20:07 i'm pretty new to this stuff 14:20:07 LoicLisp: also, yes, you should load quicklisp on your .sbclrc - quicklisp itself has a tool for that, you just need to call (ql:add-to-init-file), if I'm not mistaken 14:20:07 w|t: I have similar syntax file which highlights every first symbol of almost every single s-exp. This makes things looks bad. 14:20:07 w|t: Lisp is quite different from most languages in the sense that it gives you a interactive development environment. That is, you develop in a running image, and you change that image while you work 14:20:07 w|t: rainbow parens look acceptable. 14:20:09 w|t: that's why SLIME exists. And... SLIME is better than slimv, sorry to bring you the news 14:20:21 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-37-50.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:20:27 antonv [5d7d2a42@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.125.42.66] has joined #lisp 14:20:45 -!- sellout- [~Adium@75-166-112-222.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:21:09 Denommus: can't agree, slimv implements most of things that usual developer need. SLIME is not better, slimv is just a bit abandoned. 14:21:10 a while ago i figured that i would eventually learn emacs and slime, but i dunno; it's another thing to juggle lol. 14:21:15 Denommus and hitecnologys thank you for the help 14:21:47 w|t: it's easier if you use evil 14:22:12 -!- Karl_dscc [~localhost@wlan242126.rz.uni-leipzig.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:22:22 I have in my .sbclrc : (let ((quicklisp-init (merge-pathnames "quicklisp/setup.lisp" etc... added with ql:add-to-init-file 14:22:24 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 14:22:46 w|t: yeah, I use evil mode and SLIME and some other stuff that makes my Emacs behave almost (some things still need tweaking) like Vim. 14:22:52 oh 14:23:00 alright, i'll try that out 14:23:09 hitecnologys : do you a pointer about define ASDF, manner to do ? 14:23:48 LoicLisp: quickproject 14:24:02 ok thank you I will see that now 14:24:11 LoicLisp: if I correctly understood you, you can read docs http://common-lisp.net/project/asdf/asdf.html or use quickproject as Denommus said. 14:24:52 Ok thank 14:25:00 hitecnologys: does vim at least have anything like ParEdit? 14:25:04 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 14:25:05 Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has joined #lisp 14:25:19 hitecnologys: (speaking of which, can you use ParEdit with evil?) 14:25:35 Denommus: of course it does. 14:26:00 Denommus: and it works much better with slimv than ParEdit works with evil-mode. 14:29:29 ggole_ [~ggole@124-169-87-159.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 14:29:29 Denommus: you need some tweaks to use ParEdit with evil but it's usable. 14:29:29 well, ParEdit is my favorite thing about Lisp in Emacs 14:29:29 It certainly is a good thing, no doubt about that. 14:29:29 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@gw4.tieturi.com] has quit [Quit: Must not waste too much time here...] 14:29:29 danielszmulewicz [~danielszm@94.159.136.220] has joined #lisp 14:29:29 -!- ggole [~ggole@124-169-204-208.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:29:29 is it really spelled like that? 14:29:50 Not sure. Maybe. 14:30:33 stassats: what? 14:30:38 ParEdit? Yes 14:30:59 or Par Edit 14:31:11 http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/ParEdit 14:31:27 now, find me ParEdit in http://mumble.net/~campbell/emacs/paredit-beta.el 14:32:00 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.46.7.229] has joined #lisp 14:32:01 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.46.7.229] has quit [Changing host] 14:32:01 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 14:33:11 Paredit will also do :P 14:45:51 ccl-logbot [~ccl-logbo@setf.clozure.com] has joined #lisp 14:45:51 14:45:51 -!- names: ccl-logbot attila_lendvai danielszmulewicz ggole_ Shinmera Joreji antonv clmsy Okasu sohail Denommus fortitude normanrichards k0001_ przl kcj _schulte_ tylergoza didi segv- stassats zickzackv alezost lduros milanj xotedend fe[nl]ix Blkt sablib mathrick Pullphinger mrSpec madrik jtza8 milosn naryl hitecnologys zacharias __main__ LoicLisp kbtr theos stuckie eli kwmiebach matko mc40 Cymew kisp gravicappa scoofy ck`` pavelpenev otwieracz MrWoohoo deadghost 14:45:51 -!- names: ianmcorvidae varjagg mvilleneuve jewel macrobat frxx xan_ H4ns flip214 ircbrowse abunchofdollarsi mishoo stardiviner eMBee mcsontos ZombieChicken stepnem STilda cmm ludocode lyanchih cyphase hiyosi sword kanru Vutral capisce prxq_ cantstanya pegu` foreignFunction namtsui jaimef Codynyx francis_wolke ASau patrickwonders eigenlicht kpreid harish clop bege Posterdati billstclair emma REPLeffect rk[wrkwrkwrk] abeaumont Khisanth Mon_Ouie nightfly samskull` 14:45:51 -!- names: optikalmouse benny p_l bhyde easye sttau Patzy kirin` CrazyEddy sirdancealo2 TDog delYsid` effy_ ezakimak MoALTz tinyghost phadthai segmondx jack_rabbit keen__ danlentz zophy BrianRice Bike Zagaba yrk aoh joshe nicdev [1]JPeterson shifty`` yano doomlord_ Kabaka d4gg4d_ pchrist robot-beethoven cdidd angavrilov araujo pjb ered peccu antoszka _schulte1 ckoch786 nullman nightshade427 krrrcks paddymahoney xenophon ft asedeno Tarential Yanez wchun newcup zenoli 14:45:51 -!- names: cmatei ivan Mandus ski Anarch MikeSeth 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arrsim joneshf-work minion ivan\ Oddity fmu galdor drdo cpt_nemo tvaalen eagleflo lusory sytse rvirding rotty clog BlastHardcheese mau_ hypno kmder Ralt copec Kruppe gemelen jasom zz_karupanerura gabot igorw plathrop cmbntr_ quasisane ahungry sfa aajmakin vhost- dim sauerkrause ThePhoeron gko spacefrogg ecraven abend Tribal ggherdov Guest97484 Neptu gf3 K1rk jd__ 14:45:51 -!- names: smull_ dsp_ ashish__ jsnell_ Yamazaki-kun sbryant Watcher7 Tordek mshroyer tali713 Amadiro varjag oGMo Ash cross epsylon` arbscht nbouscal eak hyperboreean j_king Cheery tomaw brucem stopbit adeht Roin Adeon oconnore samebchase vsync wyan madnificent photex nitro_idiot_ Sourceless KingNato_ gluegadget ramus subtlepath 14:45:51 edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-109-193-013-113.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 14:45:51 eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-37-50.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 14:55:06 ccl-logbot [~ccl-logbo@setf.clozure.com] has joined #lisp 14:55:06 14:55:06 -!- names: ccl-logbot vi1 ogamita antgreen tiglog loke` eudoxia edgar-rft attila_lendvai danielszmulewicz ggole_ Shinmera Joreji antonv Okasu sohail Denommus fortitude normanrichards k0001_ przl kcj _schulte_ tylergoza didi segv- stassats zickzackv alezost lduros milanj xotedend fe[nl]ix Blkt sablib mathrick Pullphinger mrSpec madrik jtza8 milosn naryl hitecnologys zacharias __main__ LoicLisp kbtr theos stuckie eli kwmiebach matko mc40 Cymew kisp gravicappa scoofy 14:55:06 -!- names: ck`` pavelpenev otwieracz MrWoohoo deadghost ianmcorvidae varjagg mvilleneuve jewel macrobat frxx xan_ H4ns flip214 ircbrowse abunchofdollarsi mishoo stardiviner eMBee mcsontos ZombieChicken stepnem STilda cmm ludocode lyanchih cyphase hiyosi sword kanru Vutral capisce prxq_ cantstanya pegu` foreignFunction namtsui jaimef Codynyx francis_wolke ASau patrickwonders eigenlicht kpreid harish clop bege Posterdati billstclair emma REPLeffect rk[wrkwrkwrk] 14:55:06 -!- names: abeaumont Khisanth Mon_Ouie nightfly samskull` optikalmouse benny p_l bhyde easye sttau Patzy kirin` CrazyEddy sirdancealo2 TDog delYsid` effy_ ezakimak MoALTz tinyghost phadthai segmondx jack_rabbit keen__ danlentz zophy BrianRice Bike Zagaba yrk aoh joshe nicdev [1]JPeterson shifty`` yano doomlord_ Kabaka d4gg4d_ pchrist robot-beethoven cdidd angavrilov araujo pjb ered peccu antoszka _schulte1 ckoch786 nullman nightshade427 krrrcks paddymahoney 14:55:06 -!- names: xenophon ft asedeno Tarential Yanez wchun newcup zenoli cmatei ivan Mandus ski Anarch MikeSeth ineiros_ git z0d [SLB] vnz marsam DrCode clop2 aerique EvW prip karswell setheus_ guaqua luis tychoish Krystof_ alabaster Elvaron djinni` johs pok aftershave nuba expez dan64 justinmcp xristos sjl j0ni ``Erik qiemem NNshag mikaelj Jubb gensym sshirokov acieroid dfox GuilOooo redline6561 balle ozialien cods nialo loke Tristam Fade koisoke DrForr sigjuice_ 14:55:06 -!- names: Wukix` impulse scharan felipe tessier obre zfx- stokachu PuffTheMagic bben ^self _5kg seantallen yeltzooo sid_cypher iwilcox freiksenet Zhivago yroeht rabite finnrobi wilfredh ferada joast surrounder mtd jayne specbot zbigniew Shozan dotemacs hugod bobbysmith007 PuercoPop housel schoppenhauer dRbiG theBlackDragon adhoc froggey rtoym wolgo rk[imposter] sabra Praise aeth _d3f willyfrog fikusz Natch hpd felideon bjorkintosh fmu____ tensorpudding srcerer 14:55:06 -!- names: AntiSpamMeta notori0us cnl sepi yonkeltron TristamWrk cpape The_third_man |3b| AeroNotix w|t lemoinem daimrod brown` Subfusc foom tkd ve cibs mal___ arrsim joneshf-work minion ivan\ Oddity fmu galdor drdo cpt_nemo tvaalen eagleflo lusory sytse rvirding rotty clog BlastHardcheese mau_ hypno kmder Ralt copec Kruppe gemelen jasom zz_karupanerura gabot igorw plathrop cmbntr_ quasisane ahungry sfa aajmakin vhost- dim sauerkrause ThePhoeron gko spacefrogg 14:55:06 -!- names: ecraven abend Tribal ggherdov Guest97484 Neptu gf3 K1rk jd__ smull_ dsp_ ashish__ jsnell_ Yamazaki-kun sbryant Watcher7 Tordek mshroyer tali713 Amadiro varjag oGMo Ash cross epsylon` arbscht nbouscal eak hyperboreean subtlepath ramus gluegadget KingNato_ Sourceless nitro_idiot_ photex madnificent wyan vsync samebchase oconnore Adeon Roin adeht stopbit brucem tomaw Cheery j_king 14:55:06 Hi! 14:55:06 is there any principle difference between how CFFI is implemented for SBCL and CCL 14:55:06 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:55:06 (gl:color 0 0 0) works with sbcl with no coercion for parameters 14:55:06 and not with ccl 14:55:06 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 14:55:06 which seem to require float parameters 14:57:08 clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has joined #lisp 14:57:38 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:57:43 that can't be true 14:58:22 yeah I thought so too, but have some crashes with ccl 14:59:06 are you running in the main thread? 14:59:13 no 14:59:28 I have separate GL thread 14:59:48 does it matter? 15:00:02 on windows or osx, it may 15:00:07 hmm 15:00:44 how come, what's the difference? 15:01:47 -!- normanrichards [~textual@166.137.120.108] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:03:44 ahungry_ [~null@66.184.106.97] has joined #lisp 15:24:48 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-37-50.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:24:48 do I get it right that if cffi's wrapper has float parameter then it should auto-coerce arbitrary passed Lisp object to float? 15:24:48 arbitrary objects can't be coerced to floats 15:24:48 I know that:) 15:24:48 I mean is that how cffi works? 15:24:48 you can check for yourself 15:24:48 true, did not want to dig into cffi, since it worked for me in sbcl 15:27:50 ccl-logbot [~ccl-logbo@setf.clozure.com] has joined #lisp 15:27:50 15:27:50 -!- names: ccl-logbot kcj Code_Man` nipra sellout- echo-area normanrichards oleo ahungry_ theos vi1 ogamita antgreen tiglog loke` edgar-rft attila_lendvai danielszmulewicz ggole_ Shinmera Joreji antonv sohail Denommus 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ZombieChicken stepnem STilda cmm ludocode cyphase hiyosi sword kanru Vutral capisce prxq_ cantstanya pegu` foreignFunction namtsui jaimef Codynyx francis_wolke ASau patrickwonders eigenlicht kpreid harish clop bege 16:17:58 -!- names: Posterdati billstclair emma REPLeffect rk[wrkwrkwrk] abeaumont Khisanth Mon_Ouie nightfly samskull` optikalmouse benny p_l bhyde easye sttau Patzy kirin` sirdancealo2 TDog delYsid` effy_ ezakimak MoALTz tinyghost phadthai segmondx jack_rabbit keen__ danlentz zophy BrianRice Bike Zagaba yrk aoh joshe nicdev [1]JPeterson shifty`` yano doomlord_ Kabaka d4gg4d_ pchrist robot-beethoven cdidd angavrilov araujo pjb ered peccu antoszka _schulte1 ckoch786 nullman 16:17:58 -!- names: nightshade427 krrrcks paddymahoney xenophon ft asedeno Tarential Yanez wchun newcup zenoli cmatei ivan Mandus ski Anarch MikeSeth ineiros_ git z0d [SLB] vnz marsam DrCode clop2 aerique EvW prip karswell setheus_ guaqua luis tychoish Krystof_ alabaster Elvaron djinni` johs pok 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16:50:09 sparse api, if I may say 16:50:09 what does that mean? 16:50:09 optional generics, with a common code that checks if the method exists and only calls it when it does 16:50:09 maybe I could have a method on T that returns nil or something? 16:50:09 clhs no-applicable-method 16:50:09 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_no_app.htm 16:50:09 oh I just want to avoid the call entirely, or have an empty list 16:50:09 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:50:09 but you have to call something 16:50:09 oh I think I get it 16:50:09 clhs compute-applicable-methods 16:50:09 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_comput.htm 16:50:09 duck typing right? 16:50:09 dim: no, no, no 16:50:14 good luck debugging that 16:50:17 dim: but you can just try the call and handle no-applicable-method as stassats pointed out, or you could just specialize on T for default behavior 16:50:23 I define a method on no-applicable-method then call the generic, and if no special method has been defined then the no-applicable-method is called? 16:50:52 specialize on T seems best in my case (simpler, simpler) 16:50:54 no-applicable-method is a condition 16:50:59 ok 16:51:08 no, it's a generic function 16:51:12 er 16:51:31 wow i need coffee 16:51:42 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:51:50 (defmethod format-extra-type ((col T) &key) "The default `format-extra-type' implementation returns an empty list." nil) 16:52:02 I think that's going to be the simplest 16:52:11 now I can call the function and just stop caring 16:52:25 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 16:52:26 ah yeah, the "no method found" error is annoyingly just a simple-error 16:55:56 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:56:49 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 17:05:26 ccl-logbot [~ccl-logbo@setf.clozure.com] has 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yeltzooo sid_cypher iwilcox freiksenet Zhivago yroeht rabite finnrobi wilfredh ferada joast surrounder mtd jayne specbot zbigniew Shozan dotemacs hugod bobbysmith007 PuercoPop housel schoppenhauer dRbiG theBlackDragon adhoc froggey rtoym wolgo rk[imposter] sabra Praise aeth _d3f willyfrog fikusz Natch hpd felideon bjorkintosh fmu____ tensorpudding srcerer AntiSpamMeta notori0us cnl sepi yonkeltron TristamWrk cpape The_third_man |3b| AeroNotix 17:41:29 -!- names: w|t lemoinem daimrod brown` Subfusc foom tkd ve cibs mal___ arrsim joneshf-work minion ivan\ Oddity fmu galdor drdo cpt_nemo tvaalen eagleflo lusory sytse rvirding rotty clog BlastHardcheese mau_ hypno kmder Ralt copec Kruppe gemelen jasom zz_karupanerura gabot igorw plathrop cmbntr_ quasisane ahungry sfa aajmakin j_king Cheery tomaw brucem stopbit adeht Roin Adeon oconnore samebchase vsync wyan madnificent photex nitro_idiot_ Sourceless KingNato_ 17:41:29 -!- names: gluegadget ramus subtlepath hyperboreean eak nbouscal arbscht epsylon` cross Ash oGMo varjag Amadiro tali713 mshroyer Tordek Watcher7 sbryant Yamazaki-kun jsnell_ ashish__ dsp_ smull_ jd__ K1rk gf3 Neptu Guest97484 ggherdov Tribal abend ecraven spacefrogg gko ThePhoeron sauerkrause dim vhost- 17:43:54 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 17:44:05 -!- davazp [~user@178.167.188.17.threembb.ie] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:44:11 okflo [~user@193-83-3-46.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #lisp 17:44:12 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:48:44 k0001 [~k0001@host158.186-109-106.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 17:49:05 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 17:49:09 -!- ogamita [~t@tru75-h02-31-38-72-69.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:51:01 -!- k0001_ [~k0001@host106.186-108-162.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:51:27 is there an portable library that helps me switch byte size on an input stream? 17:51:29 -!- topherchristie [c6245f0c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.198.36.95.12] has left #lisp 17:51:53 odd-streams 17:52:36 who has non 8-bit byte stream to read? 17:56:04 ccl-logbot [~ccl-logbo@setf.clozure.com] has joined #lisp 17:56:04 17:56:04 -!- names: ccl-logbot |JRG| lduros k0001 okflo Joreji gendl_ Lefeni sellout- hydan kushal Kabaka fridim_ cantstanya Davidbrcz gendl mrSpec chris_l dtw clmsy xan_ masondesu seangrove LiamH ayont nilsi_ Code_Man` nipra echo-area normanrichards oleo ahungry_ theos antgreen edgar-rft ggole Shinmera antonv Denommus fortitude _schulte_ tylergoza segv- stassats alezost milanj fe[nl]ix Blkt Pullphinger madrik jtza8 milosn naryl hitecnologys zacharias __main__ kbtr stuckie 17:56:04 -!- names: eli kwmiebach matko mc40 Cymew gravicappa ck`` otwieracz MrWoohoo deadghost ianmcorvidae jewel macrobat frxx H4ns flip214 ircbrowse abunchofdollarsi mishoo stardiviner eMBee mcsontos ZombieChicken stepnem cmm ludocode cyphase hiyosi sword kanru Vutral capisce prxq_ pegu` foreignFunction jaimef Codynyx ASau patrickwonders eigenlicht kpreid harish clop bege Posterdati billstclair emma REPLeffect rk[wrkwrkwrk] abeaumont Khisanth Mon_Ouie nightfly samskull` 17:56:04 -!- names: optikalmouse benny p_l bhyde easye Patzy kirin` TDog delYsid` effy ezakimak MoALTz tinyghost phadthai segmondx jack_rabbit keen__ danlentz zophy BrianRice Bike Zagaba yrk aoh joshe nicdev [1]JPeterson yano doomlord_ d4gg4d_ pchrist robot-beethoven cdidd angavrilov araujo pjb ered peccu antoszka _schulte1 ckoch786 nullman nightshade427 krrrcks paddymahoney xenophon ft asedeno Tarential Yanez wchun newcup zenoli cmatei ivan Mandus ski Anarch MikeSeth 17:56:04 -!- names: ineiros_ git z0d [SLB] vnz marsam DrCode clop2 aerique EvW prip karswell setheus_ guaqua luis tychoish Krystof_ alabaster Elvaron djinni` johs pok aftershave nuba expez dan64 justinmcp xristos sjl j0ni ``Erik qiemem NNshag mikaelj Jubb gensym sshirokov acieroid dfox GuilOooo redline6561 balle ozialien cods nialo loke Tristam Fade koisoke DrForr sigjuice_ Wukix` impulse scharan felipe tessier obre zfx- stokachu PuffTheMagic bben ^self _5kg seantallen 17:56:04 -!- names: yeltzooo sid_cypher iwilcox freiksenet Zhivago yroeht rabite finnrobi wilfredh ferada joast surrounder mtd jayne specbot zbigniew Shozan dotemacs hugod bobbysmith007 PuercoPop housel schoppenhauer dRbiG theBlackDragon adhoc froggey rtoym wolgo rk[imposter] sabra Praise aeth _d3f willyfrog fikusz Natch hpd felideon bjorkintosh fmu____ tensorpudding srcerer AntiSpamMeta notori0us cnl sepi yonkeltron TristamWrk cpape The_third_man |3b| AeroNotix w|t 17:56:04 -!- names: lemoinem daimrod brown` Subfusc foom tkd ve cibs mal___ arrsim joneshf-work minion ivan\ Oddity fmu galdor drdo cpt_nemo tvaalen eagleflo lusory sytse rvirding rotty clog BlastHardcheese mau_ hypno kmder Ralt copec Kruppe gemelen jasom zz_karupanerura gabot igorw plathrop cmbntr_ quasisane ahungry sfa aajmakin vhost- dim sauerkrause ThePhoeron gko spacefrogg ecraven abend Tribal ggherdov Guest97484 Neptu gf3 K1rk jd__ smull_ dsp_ ashish__ jsnell_ 17:56:04 -!- names: Yamazaki-kun sbryant Watcher7 Tordek mshroyer tali713 Amadiro varjag oGMo Ash cross epsylon` arbscht nbouscal eak hyperboreean subtlepath ramus gluegadget KingNato_ Sourceless nitro_idiot_ photex madnificent wyan vsync samebchase oconnore Adeon Roin adeht stopbit brucem tomaw Cheery j_king 17:56:04 and audio 17:57:32 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:57:48 i have a trick which i use because it amuses me so much of reading very large bytes and then using ldb to pluck fields in C structs 17:58:17 DoctorDude [~Jake@unaffiliated/doctordude] has joined #lisp 17:58:25 i have learnt something new today. 17:58:45 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-50-60.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:58:52 segv-: there are also many word-oriented streams (where the word size depends on the era that the stream was invented) 17:59:30 segv-: there's no point in storing 32 bits if you're only using 27 17:59:32 _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-50-60.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:59:51 -!- nilsi_ [~nilsi@121.227.92.62] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:00:00 speed 18:02:39 -!- Codynyx [~cody@c-75-72-193-178.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:11:47 hiroakip [~hiroaki@p5DC60152.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 18:11:47 <|JRG|> hi lispers 18:11:47 -!- gendl_ [~gendl@c-98-250-10-50.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: gendl_] 18:11:47 <|JRG|> I guess DO-* forms can benefit from using the CALL-WITH-* technique, but is there a naming convention for such functions? 18:11:47 <|JRG|> call-do-*? 18:11:47 odd-streams does not appear to support setting odd-stream-byte-size after the stream is created :( 18:11:47 Codynyx [~cody@c-75-72-193-178.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:13:32 ccl-logbot [~ccl-logbo@setf.clozure.com] has joined #lisp 18:13:32 18:13:32 -!- 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surrounder mtd jayne specbot zbigniew Shozan dotemacs hugod bobbysmith007 PuercoPop housel schoppenhauer dRbiG theBlackDragon adhoc froggey rtoym wolgo rk[imposter] sabra Praise aeth _d3f willyfrog fikusz Natch hpd felideon bjorkintosh fmu____ tensorpudding srcerer AntiSpamMeta notori0us cnl sepi yonkeltron TristamWrk cpape The_third_man |3b| AeroNotix w|t 18:13:32 -!- names: lemoinem daimrod brown` Subfusc foom tkd ve cibs mal___ arrsim joneshf-work minion ivan\ Oddity fmu galdor drdo cpt_nemo tvaalen eagleflo lusory sytse rvirding rotty clog BlastHardcheese mau_ hypno kmder Ralt copec Kruppe gemelen jasom zz_karupanerura gabot igorw plathrop cmbntr_ quasisane ahungry sfa aajmakin vhost- dim sauerkrause ThePhoeron gko spacefrogg ecraven abend Tribal ggherdov Guest97484 Neptu gf3 K1rk jd__ smull_ dsp_ ashish__ jsnell_ 18:13:32 -!- names: Yamazaki-kun sbryant Watcher7 Tordek mshroyer tali713 Amadiro varjag oGMo Ash cross epsylon` arbscht nbouscal eak hyperboreean subtlepath ramus 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delYsid` effy ezakimak MoALTz tinyghost phadthai segmondx jack_rabbit keen__ danlentz zophy BrianRice Zagaba yrk aoh joshe nicdev [1]JPeterson yano doomlord_ d4gg4d_ pchrist robot-beethoven cdidd angavrilov araujo pjb ered peccu antoszka _schulte1 ckoch786 nullman nightshade427 krrrcks paddymahoney xenophon ft asedeno Tarential Yanez wchun newcup zenoli cmatei ivan Mandus ski 18:18:53 -!- names: Anarch MikeSeth ineiros_ git z0d [SLB] vnz marsam DrCode clop2 aerique EvW prip karswell setheus_ guaqua luis tychoish Krystof_ alabaster Elvaron djinni` johs pok aftershave nuba expez dan64 justinmcp xristos sjl j0ni ``Erik qiemem NNshag mikaelj Jubb gensym sshirokov acieroid dfox GuilOooo redline6561 balle ozialien cods nialo loke Tristam Fade koisoke DrForr sigjuice_ Wukix` impulse scharan felipe tessier obre zfx- stokachu PuffTheMagic bben ^self _5kg 18:18:53 -!- names: seantallen yeltzooo sid_cypher iwilcox freiksenet Zhivago yroeht rabite finnrobi wilfredh ferada joast surrounder mtd 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LOAD-TIME-VALUE needs a form, but I only have a compiled closure?! 19:31:53 -!- sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 19:31:53 Vivitron [~Vivitron@c-50-172-44-193.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:31:53 -!- ggole [~ggole@124-169-87-159.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [] 19:31:53 you can't dump functions into fasls 19:31:53 You can dump functions. For closures it's harder. 19:31:53 -!- seangrove [~user@c-69-181-197-122.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:31:53 Hence the problem of binding this closure to a gensym. It works at run-time, but not thru a fasl file. 19:31:53 you can't dump functions 19:31:53 So you should better generate it as source form in the macro. 19:31:53 My fasls are full of functions (and even of closures). 19:31:53 seangrove [~user@69.181.197.122] has joined #lisp 19:35:01 ccl-logbot [~ccl-logbo@setf.clozure.com] has joined #lisp 19:35:01 19:35:01 -!- names: ccl-logbot hiroakip LoicLisp seangrove Vivitron Joreji ejohnson malbertife zenCRash xotedend mathrick_ axion masondesu araujo zacharias Vutral scampbell duggiefresh Kabaka drmeister didi nug700 mishoo Codynyx _schulte_ lduros k0001 Lefeni sellout- hydan fridim_ cantstanya gendl mrSpec clmsy xan_ LiamH ayont Code_Man` nipra echo-area normanrichards oleo ahungry_ theos antgreen edgar-rft Shinmera antonv Denommus fortitude tylergoza segv- stassats alezost 19:35:01 -!- names: milanj fe[nl]ix Blkt Pullphinger milosn naryl hitecnologys __main__ kbtr stuckie eli kwmiebach matko mc40 Cymew gravicappa otwieracz MrWoohoo deadghost ianmcorvidae jewel macrobat frxx H4ns flip214 ircbrowse stardiviner eMBee mcsontos ZombieChicken stepnem cmm ludocode cyphase hiyosi sword kanru capisce prxq_ pegu` jaimef ASau patrickwonders eigenlicht kpreid harish clop bege Posterdati billstclair emma REPLeffect rk[wrkwrkwrk] abeaumont Khisanth Mon_Ouie 19:35:01 -!- names: nightfly samskull` optikalmouse benny p_l bhyde easye Patzy kirin` TDog delYsid` effy ezakimak MoALTz tinyghost phadthai segmondx jack_rabbit keen__ danlentz zophy BrianRice Zagaba yrk aoh joshe nicdev [1]JPeterson yano doomlord_ d4gg4d_ pchrist robot-beethoven cdidd angavrilov pjb ered peccu antoszka _schulte1 ckoch786 nullman nightshade427 krrrcks paddymahoney xenophon ft asedeno Tarential Yanez wchun newcup zenoli cmatei ivan Mandus ski Anarch MikeSeth 19:39:52 -!- names: ineiros_ git z0d [SLB] vnz marsam DrCode clop2 aerique EvW prip karswell setheus_ guaqua luis tychoish Krystof_ alabaster Elvaron djinni` johs pok aftershave nuba expez dan64 justinmcp xristos sjl j0ni ``Erik qiemem NNshag mikaelj Jubb gensym sshirokov acieroid dfox GuilOooo redline6561 balle ozialien cods nialo loke Tristam Fade koisoke DrForr sigjuice_ Wukix` impulse scharan felipe tessier obre zfx- stokachu PuffTheMagic bben ^self _5kg j_king Cheery 19:39:52 -!- names: tomaw brucem stopbit adeht Roin Adeon oconnore samebchase vsync wyan madnificent photex nitro_idiot_ Sourceless KingNato_ gluegadget ramus subtlepath hyperboreean eak nbouscal arbscht epsylon` cross Ash oGMo varjag Amadiro tali713 mshroyer Tordek Watcher7 sbryant Yamazaki-kun jsnell_ ashish__ dsp_ smull_ jd__ K1rk gf3 Neptu Guest97484 ggherdov Tribal abend ecraven spacefrogg gko ThePhoeron sauerkrause dim vhost- aajmakin sfa ahungry quasisane cmbntr_ 19:39:52 -!- names: plathrop igorw gabot zz_karupanerura jasom gemelen Kruppe copec Ralt kmder hypno mau_ BlastHardcheese clog rotty rvirding sytse lusory eagleflo tvaalen cpt_nemo drdo galdor fmu Oddity ivan\ minion joneshf-work arrsim mal___ cibs ve tkd foom Subfusc brown` daimrod lemoinem w|t AeroNotix |3b| The_third_man cpape TristamWrk yonkeltron sepi cnl notori0us AntiSpamMeta srcerer tensorpudding fmu____ bjorkintosh felideon hpd Natch fikusz willyfrog _d3f aeth Praise 19:39:52 -!- names: sabra rk[imposter] wolgo rtoym froggey adhoc theBlackDragon dRbiG schoppenhauer housel PuercoPop bobbysmith007 hugod dotemacs Shozan zbigniew specbot jayne mtd surrounder joast ferada wilfredh finnrobi rabite yroeht Zhivago freiksenet iwilcox sid_cypher yeltzooo seantallen 19:39:52 so, eg. for CL-PPCRE I can get around by returning a (CREATE-SCANNER tree) form by using the tree returned from cl-ppcre:parse-string, but it's not possible generally? Ok, thanks. 19:39:52 flip214: you use load-time-value 19:39:52 pjb: fasls are constructed from forms which produce function when evaluated 19:39:52 not from dumped literal functions 19:39:52 I'd rather say that's implementation dependant. 19:39:52 But you may be right. 19:39:52 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:40:23 ccl-logbot [~ccl-logbo@setf.clozure.com] has joined #lisp 19:40:23 19:40:23 -!- names: ccl-logbot hiroakip LoicLisp seangrove Vivitron Joreji ejohnson malbertife zenCRash xotedend mathrick_ axion masondesu araujo zacharias Vutral scampbell duggiefresh Kabaka didi nug700 mishoo Codynyx _schulte_ lduros k0001 Lefeni sellout- hydan fridim_ cantstanya gendl mrSpec clmsy xan_ LiamH ayont Code_Man` nipra echo-area normanrichards oleo ahungry_ theos antgreen edgar-rft Shinmera antonv Denommus fortitude tylergoza segv- stassats alezost milanj 19:40:23 -!- names: fe[nl]ix Blkt Pullphinger milosn naryl hitecnologys 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impulse scharan felipe tessier obre zfx- stokachu PuffTheMagic bben ^self _5kg seantallen yeltzooo sid_cypher 19:58:25 -!- names: iwilcox freiksenet Zhivago yroeht rabite finnrobi wilfredh ferada joast surrounder mtd jayne specbot zbigniew Shozan dotemacs hugod bobbysmith007 PuercoPop housel schoppenhauer dRbiG theBlackDragon adhoc froggey rtoym wolgo rk[imposter] sabra Praise aeth _d3f willyfrog fikusz Natch hpd felideon bjorkintosh fmu____ tensorpudding srcerer AntiSpamMeta notori0us cnl sepi yonkeltron TristamWrk cpape The_third_man |3b| AeroNotix w|t lemoinem daimrod brown` 19:58:25 -!- names: Subfusc foom tkd ve cibs mal___ arrsim joneshf-work minion ivan\ Oddity fmu galdor drdo cpt_nemo tvaalen eagleflo lusory sytse rvirding rotty clog BlastHardcheese mau_ hypno kmder Ralt copec Kruppe gemelen jasom zz_karupanerura gabot igorw plathrop cmbntr_ quasisane ahungry sfa aajmakin vhost- dim sauerkrause ThePhoeron gko spacefrogg ecraven abend Tribal ggherdov Guest97484 Neptu gf3 K1rk jd__ smull_ dsp_ ashish__ jsnell_ Yamazaki-kun sbryant Watcher7 19:58:25 -!- names: Tordek mshroyer tali713 Amadiro varjag oGMo Ash cross epsylon` arbscht nbouscal eak hyperboreean subtlepath ramus gluegadget KingNato_ Sourceless nitro_idiot_ photex madnificent wyan vsync samebchase oconnore Adeon Roin adeht stopbit brucem j_king Cheery tomaw 19:58:25 Bike [~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu] has joined #lisp 19:58:25 H4ns: Is there some good reason why CL-PPCRE (:named-register) needs a string and doesn't allow a symbol instead? 19:58:25 -!- normanrichards [~textual@cpe-24-27-51-104.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [] 20:03:43 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:03:48 drmeiste_ [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has joined #lisp 20:04:12 flip214: i don't know. i'm not really much into cl-ppcre's code. you'd better ask on the list. 20:06:41 yacks [~py@103.6.159.103] has joined #lisp 20:11:22 ccl-logbot 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optikalmouse benny 20:11:22 -!- names: p_l bhyde easye Patzy kirin` TDog delYsid` effy ezakimak MoALTz tinyghost phadthai segmondx jack_rabbit keen__ danlentz zophy BrianRice Zagaba yrk aoh joshe nicdev [1]JPeterson yano doomlord_ d4gg4d_ pchrist robot-beethoven cdidd angavrilov pjb ered peccu antoszka _schulte1 ckoch786 nullman nightshade427 krrrcks paddymahoney xenophon ft asedeno Tarential Yanez wchun newcup zenoli cmatei ivan Mandus ski Anarch MikeSeth ineiros_ git z0d [SLB] vnz marsam 20:11:22 -!- names: DrCode clop2 aerique EvW prip karswell setheus_ guaqua luis tychoish Krystof_ alabaster Elvaron djinni` johs pok aftershave nuba expez dan64 justinmcp xristos sjl j0ni ``Erik qiemem NNshag mikaelj Jubb gensym sshirokov acieroid dfox GuilOooo redline6561 balle ozialien cods nialo j_king Cheery tomaw brucem stopbit adeht Roin Adeon oconnore samebchase vsync wyan madnificent photex nitro_idiot_ Sourceless KingNato_ gluegadget ramus subtlepath hyperboreean 20:11:22 -!- names: eak nbouscal arbscht epsylon` cross Ash oGMo varjag Amadiro tali713 mshroyer Tordek Watcher7 sbryant Yamazaki-kun jsnell_ ashish__ dsp_ smull_ jd__ K1rk gf3 Neptu Guest97484 ggherdov Tribal abend ecraven spacefrogg gko ThePhoeron sauerkrause dim vhost- aajmakin sfa ahungry quasisane cmbntr_ plathrop igorw gabot zz_karupanerura jasom gemelen Kruppe copec Ralt kmder hypno mau_ BlastHardcheese clog rotty rvirding sytse lusory eagleflo tvaalen cpt_nemo drdo 20:11:22 -!- names: galdor fmu Oddity ivan\ minion joneshf-work arrsim mal___ cibs ve tkd foom Subfusc brown` daimrod lemoinem w|t AeroNotix |3b| The_third_man cpape TristamWrk yonkeltron sepi cnl notori0us AntiSpamMeta srcerer tensorpudding fmu____ bjorkintosh felideon hpd Natch fikusz willyfrog _d3f aeth Praise sabra rk[imposter] wolgo rtoym froggey adhoc theBlackDragon dRbiG schoppenhauer housel PuercoPop bobbysmith007 hugod dotemacs Shozan zbigniew specbot jayne mtd 20:11:22 -!- names: surrounder joast ferada wilfredh finnrobi rabite yroeht Zhivago freiksenet iwilcox sid_cypher yeltzooo seantallen _5kg ^self bben PuffTheMagic stokachu zfx- obre tessier felipe scharan impulse Wukix` sigjuice_ DrForr koisoke Fade Tristam loke 20:11:25 oh, ok. Last post is from 1.1.2012 there in google groups ... 20:11:50 seangrove [~user@c-69-181-197-122.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:16:00 antgreen [~green@dsl-173-206-41-123.tor.primus.ca] has joined #lisp 20:16:07 ltbarcly [~textual@216.113.168.135] has joined #lisp 20:16:18 danielszmulewicz [~danielszm@5.22.135.239] has joined #lisp 20:18:44 let's see, I sent an email. 20:18:53 b 20:20:03 ThomasH [~user@pdpc/supporter/professional/thomash] has joined #lisp 20:26:16 ccl-logbot [~ccl-logbo@setf.clozure.com] has joined #lisp 20:26:16 20:26:16 -!- names: ccl-logbot slyrus ThomasH danielszmulewicz ltbarcly antgreen seangrove yacks drmeiste_ Bike didi` hiroakip LoicLisp Vivitron Joreji ejohnson malbertife zenCRash xotedend mathrick_ axion masondesu araujo zacharias Vutral scampbell duggiefresh Kabaka nug700 mishoo Codynyx _schulte_ lduros k0001 Lefeni sellout- hydan fridim_ cantstanya gendl mrSpec clmsy xan_ LiamH ayont Code_Man` nipra echo-area oleo ahungry_ theos edgar-rft Shinmera antonv Denommus fortitude 20:26:16 -!- names: tylergoza segv- stassats alezost milanj fe[nl]ix Blkt Pullphinger milosn naryl __main__ kbtr stuckie eli kwmiebach matko mc40 Cymew gravicappa otwieracz MrWoohoo deadghost ianmcorvidae jewel macrobat frxx H4ns flip214 ircbrowse stardiviner eMBee mcsontos ZombieChicken stepnem cmm ludocode cyphase sword kanru capisce prxq_ pegu` jaimef ASau patrickwonders eigenlicht kpreid harish clop bege Posterdati billstclair emma REPLeffect rk[wrkwrkwrk] abeaumont 20:26:16 -!- names: Khisanth Mon_Ouie nightfly samskull` optikalmouse benny p_l bhyde easye Patzy kirin` TDog delYsid` effy ezakimak MoALTz tinyghost phadthai segmondx jack_rabbit keen__ danlentz zophy BrianRice Zagaba yrk aoh joshe nicdev [1]JPeterson yano doomlord_ d4gg4d_ pchrist robot-beethoven cdidd angavrilov pjb ered peccu antoszka _schulte1 ckoch786 nullman nightshade427 krrrcks paddymahoney xenophon ft asedeno Tarential Yanez wchun newcup zenoli cmatei ivan Mandus ski 20:26:16 -!- names: Anarch MikeSeth ineiros_ git z0d [SLB] vnz marsam DrCode clop2 aerique EvW prip karswell setheus_ guaqua luis tychoish Krystof_ alabaster Elvaron djinni` johs pok aftershave nuba expez dan64 justinmcp xristos sjl j0ni ``Erik qiemem NNshag mikaelj Jubb gensym sshirokov acieroid dfox GuilOooo redline6561 balle ozialien cods nialo loke Tristam Fade koisoke DrForr sigjuice_ Wukix` impulse scharan felipe tessier obre zfx- stokachu PuffTheMagic bben ^self _5kg 20:26:16 -!- names: seantallen yeltzooo sid_cypher iwilcox freiksenet Zhivago yroeht rabite finnrobi wilfredh ferada joast surrounder mtd jayne specbot zbigniew Shozan dotemacs hugod bobbysmith007 PuercoPop housel schoppenhauer dRbiG theBlackDragon adhoc froggey rtoym wolgo rk[imposter] sabra Praise aeth _d3f willyfrog fikusz Natch hpd felideon bjorkintosh fmu____ tensorpudding srcerer AntiSpamMeta notori0us cnl sepi yonkeltron TristamWrk cpape The_third_man |3b| AeroNotix w|t 20:26:16 -!- names: lemoinem daimrod brown` Subfusc foom tkd ve cibs mal___ arrsim joneshf-work minion ivan\ Oddity fmu galdor drdo cpt_nemo tvaalen eagleflo lusory sytse rvirding rotty clog BlastHardcheese mau_ hypno kmder Ralt copec Kruppe gemelen jasom zz_karupanerura gabot igorw plathrop cmbntr_ quasisane ahungry sfa aajmakin vhost- dim sauerkrause ThePhoeron gko spacefrogg ecraven abend Tribal ggherdov Guest97484 Neptu gf3 K1rk jd__ smull_ dsp_ ashish__ jsnell_ 20:26:16 -!- names: Yamazaki-kun sbryant Watcher7 Tordek mshroyer tali713 Amadiro varjag oGMo Ash cross epsylon` arbscht nbouscal eak hyperboreean j_king Cheery tomaw brucem stopbit adeht Roin Adeon oconnore samebchase vsync wyan madnificent photex nitro_idiot_ Sourceless KingNato_ gluegadget ramus subtlepath 20:26:48 -!- Patzy [~something@lns-bzn-51f-81-56-151-137.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:27:41 Patzy [~something@lns-bzn-51f-81-56-151-137.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 20:29:17 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@216.113.168.135] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20:30:25 ltbarcly [~textual@216.113.168.141] has joined #lisp 20:31:11 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-165-59.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:33:11 k0001_ [~k0001@host189.190-138-116.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 20:33:50 normanrichards [~textual@166.137.120.108] has joined #lisp 20:35:32 -!- segv- [~mb@95-91-243-150-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:36:08 -!- k0001 [~k0001@host158.186-109-106.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:37:42 how to get a profile when running some code? 20:42:48 ccl-logbot [~ccl-logbo@setf.clozure.com] has joined #lisp 20:42:48 20:42:48 -!- names: ccl-logbot normanrichards k0001_ ltbarcly Patzy slyrus ThomasH danielszmulewicz antgreen seangrove yacks drmeiste_ Bike didi` hiroakip LoicLisp Vivitron Joreji ejohnson malbertife zenCRash xotedend mathrick_ axion masondesu araujo zacharias Vutral scampbell duggiefresh Kabaka nug700 mishoo Codynyx _schulte_ lduros Lefeni sellout- hydan fridim_ cantstanya gendl mrSpec clmsy xan_ LiamH ayont Code_Man` nipra echo-area oleo ahungry_ theos edgar-rft Shinmera 20:42:48 -!- names: antonv Denommus fortitude tylergoza stassats alezost milanj fe[nl]ix Blkt Pullphinger milosn naryl __main__ kbtr stuckie eli kwmiebach matko mc40 Cymew otwieracz MrWoohoo deadghost ianmcorvidae jewel macrobat frxx H4ns flip214 ircbrowse stardiviner eMBee mcsontos ZombieChicken stepnem cmm ludocode cyphase sword kanru capisce prxq_ pegu` jaimef ASau patrickwonders eigenlicht kpreid harish clop bege Posterdati billstclair emma REPLeffect rk[wrkwrkwrk] 20:42:48 -!- names: abeaumont Khisanth Mon_Ouie nightfly samskull` optikalmouse benny p_l bhyde easye kirin` TDog delYsid` effy ezakimak MoALTz tinyghost phadthai segmondx jack_rabbit keen__ danlentz zophy BrianRice Zagaba yrk aoh joshe nicdev [1]JPeterson yano doomlord_ d4gg4d_ pchrist robot-beethoven cdidd angavrilov pjb ered peccu antoszka _schulte1 ckoch786 nullman nightshade427 krrrcks paddymahoney xenophon ft asedeno Tarential Yanez wchun newcup zenoli cmatei ivan 20:42:48 -!- names: Mandus ski Anarch MikeSeth ineiros_ git z0d [SLB] vnz marsam DrCode clop2 aerique EvW prip karswell setheus_ guaqua luis tychoish Krystof_ alabaster Elvaron djinni` johs pok aftershave nuba expez dan64 justinmcp xristos sjl j0ni ``Erik qiemem NNshag mikaelj Jubb gensym sshirokov acieroid dfox GuilOooo redline6561 balle ozialien cods nialo j_king Cheery tomaw brucem stopbit adeht Roin Adeon oconnore samebchase vsync wyan madnificent photex nitro_idiot_ 20:42:48 -!- names: Sourceless KingNato_ gluegadget ramus subtlepath hyperboreean eak nbouscal arbscht epsylon` cross Ash oGMo varjag Amadiro tali713 mshroyer Tordek Watcher7 sbryant Yamazaki-kun jsnell_ ashish__ dsp_ smull_ jd__ K1rk gf3 Neptu Guest97484 ggherdov Tribal abend ecraven spacefrogg gko ThePhoeron sauerkrause dim vhost- aajmakin sfa ahungry quasisane cmbntr_ plathrop igorw gabot zz_karupanerura jasom gemelen Kruppe copec Ralt kmder hypno mau_ BlastHardcheese 20:42:48 -!- names: clog rotty rvirding sytse lusory eagleflo tvaalen cpt_nemo drdo galdor fmu Oddity ivan\ minion joneshf-work arrsim mal___ cibs ve tkd foom Subfusc brown` daimrod lemoinem w|t AeroNotix |3b| The_third_man cpape TristamWrk yonkeltron sepi cnl notori0us AntiSpamMeta srcerer tensorpudding fmu____ bjorkintosh felideon hpd Natch fikusz willyfrog _d3f aeth Praise sabra rk[imposter] wolgo rtoym froggey adhoc theBlackDragon dRbiG schoppenhauer housel PuercoPop 20:42:48 -!- names: bobbysmith007 hugod dotemacs Shozan zbigniew specbot jayne mtd surrounder joast ferada wilfredh finnrobi rabite yroeht Zhivago freiksenet iwilcox sid_cypher yeltzooo seantallen _5kg ^self bben PuffTheMagic stokachu zfx- obre tessier felipe scharan impulse Wukix` sigjuice_ DrForr koisoke Fade Tristam loke 20:42:48 http://common-lisp.net/~sboukarev/slime/slime_002dsprof.html it seems 20:42:48 trying that then 20:42:48 mmm I don't seem o have that here 20:42:51 -!- Vivitron [~Vivitron@c-50-172-44-193.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:43:04 didi`: offtopic, but is there a way to use the info function interactively, or just something better than eval-expression? 20:43:08 -!- antgreen [~green@dsl-173-206-41-123.tor.primus.ca] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:43:59 Vivitron [~Vivitron@c-50-172-44-193.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:44:26 Bike: You mean, the info functions I pasted? I just press C-x C-e after the expression. 20:44:34 dim: I've used sb-sprof (sbcl's statistical profiler) directly, there exported interface is relatively small and intuitive 20:44:41 i guess that works... 20:45:09 Bike: You may want to use M-x ielm maybe? 20:49:48 ccl-logbot [~ccl-logbo@setf.clozure.com] has joined #lisp 20:49:48 20:49:48 -!- names: ccl-logbot nisstyre Vivitron normanrichards k0001_ ltbarcly Patzy slyrus ThomasH danielszmulewicz seangrove yacks drmeiste_ Bike didi` hiroakip LoicLisp Joreji ejohnson malbertife zenCRash xotedend mathrick_ axion masondesu araujo zacharias Vutral scampbell duggiefresh Kabaka nug700 mishoo Codynyx _schulte_ lduros Lefeni sellout- hydan fridim_ cantstanya gendl mrSpec clmsy xan_ LiamH ayont Code_Man` nipra echo-area oleo ahungry_ theos edgar-rft Shinmera 20:49:48 -!- names: antonv Denommus fortitude tylergoza stassats alezost milanj fe[nl]ix Blkt Pullphinger milosn naryl __main__ kbtr stuckie eli kwmiebach matko mc40 Cymew otwieracz MrWoohoo deadghost ianmcorvidae jewel macrobat frxx H4ns flip214 ircbrowse stardiviner eMBee mcsontos ZombieChicken stepnem cmm ludocode cyphase sword kanru capisce prxq_ pegu` jaimef ASau patrickwonders eigenlicht kpreid harish clop bege Posterdati billstclair emma REPLeffect rk[wrkwrkwrk] 20:49:48 -!- names: abeaumont Khisanth Mon_Ouie nightfly samskull` optikalmouse benny p_l bhyde easye kirin` TDog delYsid` effy ezakimak MoALTz tinyghost phadthai segmondx jack_rabbit keen__ danlentz zophy BrianRice Zagaba yrk aoh joshe nicdev [1]JPeterson yano doomlord_ d4gg4d_ pchrist robot-beethoven cdidd angavrilov pjb ered peccu antoszka _schulte1 ckoch786 nullman nightshade427 krrrcks paddymahoney xenophon ft asedeno Tarential Yanez wchun newcup zenoli cmatei ivan 20:49:48 -!- names: Mandus ski Anarch MikeSeth ineiros_ git z0d [SLB] vnz marsam DrCode clop2 aerique EvW prip karswell setheus_ guaqua luis tychoish Krystof_ alabaster Elvaron djinni` johs pok aftershave nuba expez dan64 justinmcp xristos sjl j0ni ``Erik qiemem NNshag mikaelj Jubb gensym sshirokov acieroid dfox GuilOooo redline6561 balle ozialien cods nialo loke Tristam Fade koisoke DrForr sigjuice_ Wukix` impulse scharan felipe tessier obre zfx- stokachu PuffTheMagic bben 20:49:48 -!- names: ^self _5kg j_king Cheery tomaw brucem stopbit adeht Roin Adeon oconnore samebchase vsync wyan madnificent photex nitro_idiot_ Sourceless KingNato_ gluegadget ramus subtlepath hyperboreean eak nbouscal arbscht epsylon` cross Ash oGMo varjag Amadiro tali713 mshroyer Tordek Watcher7 sbryant Yamazaki-kun jsnell_ ashish__ dsp_ smull_ jd__ K1rk gf3 Neptu Guest97484 ggherdov Tribal abend ecraven spacefrogg gko ThePhoeron sauerkrause dim vhost- aajmakin sfa 20:49:48 -!- names: ahungry quasisane cmbntr_ plathrop igorw gabot zz_karupanerura jasom gemelen Kruppe copec Ralt kmder hypno mau_ BlastHardcheese clog rotty rvirding sytse lusory eagleflo tvaalen cpt_nemo drdo galdor fmu Oddity ivan\ minion joneshf-work arrsim mal___ cibs ve tkd foom Subfusc brown` daimrod lemoinem w|t AeroNotix |3b| The_third_man cpape TristamWrk yonkeltron sepi cnl notori0us AntiSpamMeta srcerer tensorpudding fmu____ bjorkintosh felideon hpd Natch fikusz 20:49:48 -!- names: willyfrog _d3f aeth Praise sabra rk[imposter] wolgo rtoym froggey adhoc theBlackDragon dRbiG schoppenhauer housel PuercoPop bobbysmith007 hugod dotemacs Shozan zbigniew specbot jayne mtd surrounder joast ferada wilfredh finnrobi rabite yroeht Zhivago freiksenet iwilcox sid_cypher yeltzooo seantallen 20:49:48 Bike: I personally prefer *scratch*, where I can eval expressions with C-j. 20:49:48 I was missing a (slime-setup '(slime-sprof)) it seems 20:49:48 *stassats* foils google by rm -rf 20:49:48 didi`: yeah, i just think it would be convenient to have a minibuffer style entry command. no big deal 20:49:48 Bike: Right. 20:51:04 -!- xotedend [~quassel@50-77-75-69-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:51:12 18 "foreign function __select" 99.82 99.82 99.83 20:51:28 looks like cl-sqlite calling into the sqlite.so 20:51:41 17 (LABELS SB-IMPL::RESTART-LISP :IN SAVE-LISP-AND-DIE) 0.00 99.83 0.01 20:51:47 is that expected tho? 20:51:59 yes 20:56:11 ccl-logbot [~ccl-logbo@setf.clozure.com] has joined #lisp 20:56:11 20:56:11 -!- names: ccl-logbot jtza8 nisstyre Vivitron normanrichards k0001_ ltbarcly Patzy slyrus ThomasH danielszmulewicz seangrove yacks drmeiste_ Bike didi` hiroakip LoicLisp Joreji ejohnson malbertife zenCRash mathrick_ axion masondesu araujo zacharias Vutral scampbell duggiefresh Kabaka nug700 mishoo Codynyx _schulte_ lduros Lefeni sellout- hydan fridim_ cantstanya gendl mrSpec clmsy xan_ LiamH ayont Code_Man` nipra echo-area oleo ahungry_ theos edgar-rft Shinmera 20:56:11 -!- names: antonv Denommus fortitude tylergoza stassats alezost milanj fe[nl]ix Blkt Pullphinger milosn naryl __main__ kbtr stuckie eli kwmiebach matko mc40 Cymew otwieracz MrWoohoo deadghost ianmcorvidae jewel macrobat frxx H4ns flip214 ircbrowse stardiviner eMBee mcsontos ZombieChicken stepnem cmm ludocode cyphase sword kanru capisce prxq_ pegu` jaimef ASau patrickwonders eigenlicht kpreid harish clop bege Posterdati billstclair emma REPLeffect rk[wrkwrkwrk] 20:56:11 -!- names: abeaumont Khisanth Mon_Ouie nightfly samskull` optikalmouse benny p_l bhyde easye kirin` TDog delYsid` effy ezakimak MoALTz tinyghost phadthai segmondx jack_rabbit keen__ danlentz zophy BrianRice Zagaba yrk aoh joshe nicdev [1]JPeterson yano doomlord_ d4gg4d_ pchrist robot-beethoven cdidd angavrilov pjb ered peccu antoszka _schulte1 ckoch786 nullman nightshade427 krrrcks paddymahoney xenophon ft asedeno Tarential Yanez wchun newcup zenoli cmatei ivan 20:56:11 -!- names: Mandus ski Anarch MikeSeth ineiros_ git z0d [SLB] vnz marsam DrCode clop2 aerique EvW prip karswell setheus_ guaqua luis tychoish Krystof_ alabaster Elvaron djinni` johs pok aftershave nuba expez dan64 justinmcp xristos sjl j0ni ``Erik qiemem NNshag mikaelj Jubb gensym sshirokov acieroid dfox GuilOooo redline6561 balle ozialien cods nialo loke Tristam Fade koisoke DrForr sigjuice_ Wukix` impulse scharan felipe tessier obre zfx- stokachu PuffTheMagic bben 20:56:11 -!- names: ^self _5kg j_king Cheery tomaw brucem stopbit adeht Roin Adeon oconnore samebchase vsync wyan madnificent photex nitro_idiot_ Sourceless KingNato_ gluegadget ramus subtlepath hyperboreean eak nbouscal arbscht epsylon` cross Ash oGMo varjag Amadiro tali713 mshroyer Tordek Watcher7 sbryant Yamazaki-kun jsnell_ ashish__ dsp_ smull_ jd__ K1rk gf3 Neptu Guest97484 ggherdov Tribal abend ecraven spacefrogg gko ThePhoeron sauerkrause dim vhost- aajmakin sfa 20:56:11 -!- names: ahungry quasisane cmbntr_ plathrop igorw gabot zz_karupanerura jasom gemelen Kruppe copec Ralt kmder hypno mau_ BlastHardcheese clog rotty rvirding sytse lusory eagleflo tvaalen cpt_nemo drdo galdor fmu Oddity ivan\ minion joneshf-work arrsim mal___ cibs ve tkd foom Subfusc brown` daimrod lemoinem w|t AeroNotix |3b| The_third_man cpape TristamWrk yonkeltron sepi cnl notori0us AntiSpamMeta srcerer tensorpudding fmu____ bjorkintosh felideon hpd Natch fikusz 20:56:11 -!- names: willyfrog _d3f aeth Praise sabra rk[imposter] wolgo rtoym froggey adhoc theBlackDragon dRbiG schoppenhauer housel PuercoPop bobbysmith007 hugod dotemacs Shozan zbigniew specbot jayne mtd surrounder joast ferada wilfredh finnrobi rabite yroeht Zhivago freiksenet iwilcox sid_cypher yeltzooo seantallen 20:56:11 segv- [~mb@95-91-243-150-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 20:56:11 or readiness to accept data to be written 20:56:27 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:57:28 uuh [~qicruser@77-57-2-147.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 20:59:46 oh I assumed something wrong again then 21:00:23 well I have two threads, one is reading from SQLite and the other is writing to PostgreSQL, in between I have a lparallel.queue bounded queue to act as a "unix pipe" 21:02:48 klltkr 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LiamH ayont nipra echo-area oleo theos edgar-rft 22:24:12 -!- names: Shinmera antonv Denommus stassats alezost fe[nl]ix Blkt Pullphinger milosn naryl __main__ kbtr stuckie eli kwmiebach matko mc40 Cymew otwieracz MrWoohoo deadghost ianmcorvidae jewel macrobat frxx H4ns flip214 ircbrowse stardiviner eMBee mcsontos ZombieChicken cmm ludocode cyphase sword kanru capisce prxq_ pegu` jaimef ASau patrickwonders eigenlicht kpreid harish clop bege Posterdati billstclair emma REPLeffect rk[wrkwrkwrk] abeaumont Khisanth Mon_Ouie 22:24:12 -!- names: nightfly samskull` optikalmouse benny p_l bhyde easye kirin` TDog delYsid` effy ezakimak MoALTz tinyghost phadthai segmondx jack_rabbit keen__ danlentz zophy BrianRice Zagaba yrk aoh joshe nicdev [1]JPeterson yano doomlord_ pchrist robot-beethoven cdidd pjb ered peccu antoszka _schulte1 ckoch786 nullman nightshade427 krrrcks paddymahoney xenophon ft asedeno Tarential Yanez wchun newcup zenoli cmatei ivan Mandus ski Anarch MikeSeth ineiros_ git z0d [SLB] 22:24:12 -!- names: vnz marsam DrCode clop2 aerique EvW prip karswell setheus_ guaqua luis tychoish Krystof_ alabaster Elvaron djinni` johs pok aftershave nuba expez dan64 justinmcp xristos sjl j0ni ``Erik NNshag mikaelj Jubb gensym sshirokov acieroid dfox GuilOooo redline6561 balle ozialien cods nialo loke Tristam Fade koisoke DrForr sigjuice_ Wukix` impulse scharan felipe tessier obre zfx- stokachu bben ^self _5kg seantallen yeltzooo sid_cypher iwilcox freiksenet Zhivago 22:24:12 -!- names: yroeht rabite finnrobi ferada joast surrounder mtd jayne specbot zbigniew Shozan hugod bobbysmith007 PuercoPop housel schoppenhauer dRbiG theBlackDragon adhoc froggey rtoym wolgo rk[imposter] sabra Praise aeth _d3f willyfrog fikusz Natch hpd felideon bjorkintosh tensorpudding srcerer AntiSpamMeta notori0us cnl sepi yonkeltron TristamWrk cpape The_third_man |3b| AeroNotix w|t lemoinem daimrod brown` Subfusc foom tkd ve cibs mal___ arrsim joneshf-work minion 22:24:12 -!- names: ivan\ Oddity fmu galdor drdo cpt_nemo tvaalen eagleflo lusory sytse rotty clog BlastHardcheese mau_ hypno kmder Ralt copec Kruppe gemelen jasom zz_karupanerura gabot igorw plathrop cmbntr_ quasisane ahungry sfa aajmakin vhost- dim sauerkrause ThePhoeron gko spacefrogg ecraven abend Tribal j_king Cheery tomaw brucem stopbit adeht Roin Adeon oconnore samebchase vsync wyan madnificent photex nitro_idiot_ Sourceless KingNato_ gluegadget ramus subtlepath 22:24:12 -!- names: hyperboreean eak nbouscal arbscht epsylon` cross Ash oGMo Amadiro tali713 mshroyer Tordek Watcher7 sbryant Yamazaki-kun jsnell_ ashish__ dsp_ smull_ jd__ K1rk gf3 Neptu Guest97484 22:25:27 -!- milanj [~milanj@cable-178-148-2-202.dynamic.sbb.rs] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:26:35 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 22:27:38 -!- alezost [~user@128-70-197-79.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 22:27:43 antgreen [~green@dsl-173-206-84-94.tor.primus.ca] has joined #lisp 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Tarential Yanez wchun newcup zenoli cmatei ivan Mandus ski Anarch MikeSeth ineiros_ git z0d [SLB] vnz marsam DrCode clop2 22:31:45 -!- names: aerique EvW prip karswell setheus_ guaqua luis tychoish Krystof_ alabaster Elvaron djinni` johs pok aftershave nuba expez dan64 justinmcp xristos sjl j0ni ``Erik NNshag mikaelj Jubb gensym sshirokov acieroid dfox GuilOooo redline6561 balle ozialien cods nialo loke Tristam Fade koisoke DrForr sigjuice_ Wukix` impulse scharan felipe tessier obre zfx- stokachu bben ^self _5kg seantallen yeltzooo sid_cypher iwilcox freiksenet Zhivago yroeht rabite finnrobi 22:31:45 -!- names: ferada joast surrounder mtd jayne specbot zbigniew Shozan hugod bobbysmith007 PuercoPop housel schoppenhauer dRbiG theBlackDragon adhoc froggey rtoym wolgo rk[imposter] sabra Praise aeth _d3f willyfrog fikusz Natch hpd felideon bjorkintosh tensorpudding srcerer AntiSpamMeta notori0us cnl sepi yonkeltron TristamWrk cpape The_third_man |3b| AeroNotix w|t lemoinem daimrod brown` Subfusc foom tkd ve cibs mal___ arrsim joneshf-work minion ivan\ Oddity fmu galdor 22:31:45 -!- names: drdo cpt_nemo tvaalen eagleflo lusory sytse rotty clog BlastHardcheese mau_ hypno kmder Ralt copec Kruppe gemelen jasom zz_karupanerura gabot igorw plathrop cmbntr_ quasisane ahungry sfa aajmakin vhost- dim sauerkrause ThePhoeron gko spacefrogg ecraven abend Tribal Guest97484 Neptu gf3 K1rk jd__ smull_ dsp_ ashish__ jsnell_ Yamazaki-kun sbryant Watcher7 Tordek mshroyer tali713 Amadiro oGMo Ash cross epsylon` arbscht nbouscal eak hyperboreean j_king Cheery 22:31:45 -!- names: tomaw brucem stopbit adeht Roin Adeon oconnore samebchase vsync wyan madnificent photex nitro_idiot_ Sourceless KingNato_ gluegadget ramus subtlepath 22:31:47 thanks 22:32:05 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-184-77.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:32:27 -!- desophos [~desophos@n132h78.dhcp.oxy.edu] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:32:30 -!- rk[wrkwrkwrk] is now known as ryankarason 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REPLeffect ryankarason abeaumont Khisanth Mon_Ouie nightfly samskull` optikalmouse benny p_l bhyde easye 22:37:50 -!- names: kirin` TDog delYsid` effy ezakimak MoALTz tinyghost phadthai segmondx jack_rabbit keen__ danlentz zophy BrianRice Zagaba yrk aoh joshe nicdev [1]JPeterson yano doomlord_ pchrist robot-beethoven cdidd pjb ered peccu antoszka _schulte1 ckoch786 nullman nightshade427 krrrcks paddymahoney xenophon ft asedeno Tarential Yanez wchun newcup zenoli cmatei ivan Mandus ski Anarch MikeSeth ineiros_ git z0d [SLB] vnz marsam DrCode clop2 aerique EvW prip karswell 22:37:50 -!- names: setheus_ guaqua luis tychoish Krystof_ alabaster Elvaron djinni` johs pok aftershave nuba expez dan64 justinmcp xristos sjl j0ni ``Erik NNshag mikaelj Jubb gensym sshirokov acieroid dfox GuilOooo redline6561 balle ozialien cods nialo loke Tristam Fade koisoke DrForr sigjuice_ Wukix` impulse scharan felipe tessier obre zfx- stokachu bben ^self _5kg seantallen yeltzooo sid_cypher iwilcox freiksenet 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brucem stopbit 22:37:50 -!- names: adeht Roin Adeon oconnore samebchase vsync wyan madnificent photex nitro_idiot_ Sourceless KingNato_ subtlepath ramus gluegadget 22:37:50 m_pTableWidget->setItem(0, 1, new QTableWidgetItem("Hello")); 22:37:50 uuh [~qicruser@77-57-2-147.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 22:37:50 I'm trying to write infos in my table 22:37:50 flame_ [~flame_@unaffiliated/flame/x-0205742] has joined #lisp 22:37:50 and you want to do what? 22:37:50 -!- uuh [~qicruser@77-57-2-147.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:38:09 every row is a record, every column is a different kind of record member 22:38:23 fmu____ [uid89@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ddpyjkmmlsdnmhdi] has joined #lisp 22:38:25 uuh [~qicruser@77-57-2-147.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 22:38:37 can you be more specific? 22:38:37 -!- uuh [~qicruser@77-57-2-147.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:38:44 uuh [~qicruser@77-57-2-147.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 22:38:55 I'll paste the code 22:41:34 -!- uuh [~qicruser@77-57-2-147.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:41:34 dotemacs [uid801@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fwguxnhqjygrrfpb] has joined #lisp 22:41:34 uuh [~qicruser@77-57-2-147.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 22:41:34 -!- hydan [~hydan@ip-89-103-110-5.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:41:34 -!- uuh [~qicruser@77-57-2-147.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:41:34 uuh [~qicruser@77-57-2-147.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 22:41:34 *dim* wants to renew his statement that he really enjoys Common Lisp 22:41:34 stassats: http://paste.lisp.org/display/139780 22:41:34 -!- uuh [~qicruser@77-57-2-147.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:41:34 -!- malbertife [~malbertif@host149-60-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:41:34 this method is called on load button click 22:41:34 uuh [~qicruser@77-57-2-147.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 22:41:34 do you even look in the qt reference? 22:41:34 data is serialized in *data* organized as a list of structured element 22:41:34 there's no constructor for qvaraints 22:41:34 http://qt-project.org/wiki/How_to_Use_QTableWidget 22:41:34 -!- uuh [~qicruser@77-57-2-147.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:41:34 -!- uuh_ [~qicruser@77-57-2-147.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 22:41:34 if you want to associate some other things, use setData 22:41:34 uuh [~qicruser@77-57-2-147.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 22:41:40 uuh_ [~qicruser@77-57-2-147.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 22:41:55 -!- uuh_ [~qicruser@77-57-2-147.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:42:03 uuh_ [~qicruser@77-57-2-147.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 22:45:11 ccl-logbot 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zbigniew Shozan hugod bobbysmith007 PuercoPop housel schoppenhauer dRbiG theBlackDragon adhoc froggey rtoym wolgo rk[imposter] sabra Praise aeth _d3f willyfrog fikusz Natch hpd felideon bjorkintosh tensorpudding srcerer AntiSpamMeta notori0us cnl sepi yonkeltron TristamWrk cpape The_third_man |3b| AeroNotix w|t lemoinem daimrod brown` Subfusc foom tkd ve cibs mal___ arrsim joneshf-work minion ivan\ Oddity fmu galdor drdo cpt_nemo 22:45:11 -!- names: tvaalen eagleflo lusory sytse rotty clog BlastHardcheese mau_ hypno kmder Ralt copec Kruppe gemelen jasom zz_karupanerura gabot igorw plathrop cmbntr_ quasisane ahungry sfa aajmakin vhost- dim sauerkrause ThePhoeron gko spacefrogg ecraven abend Tribal Guest97484 Neptu gf3 K1rk jd__ smull_ dsp_ ashish__ jsnell_ Yamazaki-kun sbryant Watcher7 Tordek mshroyer tali713 j_king Cheery tomaw brucem stopbit adeht Roin Adeon oconnore samebchase vsync wyan 22:45:11 -!- names: madnificent photex nitro_idiot_ Sourceless KingNato_ gluegadget ramus subtlepath hyperboreean eak nbouscal arbscht epsylon` cross Ash oGMo Amadiro 22:45:11 kwmiebach [~kwmiebach@xdsl-213-168-89-244.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 22:45:11 uuh_ [~qicruser@77-57-2-147.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 22:45:11 danielszmulewicz [~danielszm@5.22.135.239] has joined #lisp 22:45:11 but if you want to display something, convert it into a string 22:45:11 -!- uuh_ [~qicruser@77-57-2-147.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:45:11 the setData with a role is used to display things like images, colors and so on 22:45:11 varjag [uid4973@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ugfgdbsyvngaranx] has joined #lisp 22:45:11 uuh_ [~qicruser@77-57-2-147.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 22:45:11 I haven't got images, but only numbers and strings... 22:45:11 -!- uuh_ [~qicruser@77-57-2-147.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:45:11 princ-to-string your nubmers 22:45:11 uuh_ [~qicruser@77-57-2-147.dclient.hispeed.ch] 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ggherdov tvaalen ve ``Erik j_king ianmcorvidae TristamWrk aftershave Posterdati dlowe wchun impulse bben ferada balle robot-beethoven Tordek rtoym easiere hyperboreean prip rk[WYOMING] joneshf-work Adeon cyphase kirin` ahungry billstclair 04:07:10 -!- names: clog naryl ft adeht kmder dRbiG stokachu BlastHardcheese smull Ash zenoli fe[nl]ix quasisane Blkt Wukix`` hypno_ bobbysmith0071 wolgo srcerer guaqua Neptu tomaw enn expez clop ozzloy stuckie brown`` tali713 sjl mikaelj_ specbot qiemem varjag wilfredh joast cmbntr gluegadget Khisanth z0d H4ns Zhivago jsnell aajmakin dim The_third_man galdor_ gensym aoh Jubb foom abend ecraven AntiSpamMeta kbtr surrounder iwilcox Krystof _d3f bege cpt_nemo eMBee rotty 04:07:10 -!- names: seantallen vnz __main__ eli flip214 nightfly benny delYsid` tinyghost phadthai danlentz nicdev yano pchrist ered peccu antoszka _schulte1 ckoch786 nullman asedeno newcup ivan Anarch MikeSeth ineiros_ clop2 setheus_ luis tychoish johs pok nuba dan64 justinmcp xristos 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[~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:28:34 -!- Fare [fare@nat/google/x-jvslwxnmkkwicqpw] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:29:09 cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-179-123-167.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 06:29:48 sirdancealo2 [~sirdancea@194.228.11.188] has joined #lisp 06:31:39 Poenikatu [~poenikatu@pdpc/supporter/bronze/poenikatu] has joined #lisp 06:32:35 ccorn [~ccorn@92.110.20.203] has joined #lisp 06:32:55 I sent email to cmucl-help-request@cons.org with subscribe as the subject, and it bounced. So I tried cmucl-human-help-request@cons.org and *that* bounced. Does that mean that no help is available for CMUCL? 06:34:45 Maybe you need robot help? 06:34:46 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-179-123-167.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:34:51 What's the problem, anyhow? 06:35:16 I need help to implement the i386 32-bit 20e version of CMUCL on my amd64 Linux box. It concerns the cross-compiling of the package. Has anybody done this? 06:35:22 cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-179-123-167.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 06:35:25 Why do you want CMUCL? 06:35:38 I have cross-compiled CMUCL, but many years ago. 06:35:54 Poenikatu: compiling cmucl is a hard and painful process, and it does not compile to amd64 anyway 06:35:57 Zhivago, Does that mean that you don't remember how to do it. 06:35:59 It was a somewhat painful process with a number of insanities in it. 06:36:09 So ... why cmucl? 06:36:24 Will sbcl not do what you need? 06:36:26 H4ns, Files are supplied in the distribution for using an amd64 backend 06:36:44 Poenikatu: please believe me. 06:36:56 sbcl grew out of frustration with the insanity of cross-compiling cmucl. :) 06:37:09 Poenikatu: if you want a native 64 bit open source lisp, use clozure cl or sbcl. both are easy to rebuild, too. 06:37:12 H4ns, Well, the documentation I have seen so far contradicts what you just said 06:37:21 Poenikatu: *shrug* 06:38:00 malbertife [~malbertif@95.236.12.98] has joined #lisp 06:38:30 *zRecursive* i am just using CLISP :) 06:39:24 Ok, guys, I hear what you said. I'll abandon CMUCL and try sbcl and clozure cl. Thanks 06:39:28 mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has joined #lisp 06:39:53 Good luck. 06:40:05 sbcl will be the closer to cmucl. 06:41:10 -!- ccorn [~ccorn@92.110.20.203] has quit [Quit: ccorn] 06:44:25 ccorn [~ccorn@92.110.20.203] has joined #lisp 06:50:41 -!- sdemarre [~serge@109.134.146.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:55:39 -!- ccorn [~ccorn@92.110.20.203] has quit [Quit: ccorn] 06:56:53 -!- yacks [~py@103.6.159.103] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:03:40 Lefeni [~Lefeni@c-fc47e555.143-16-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 07:06:40 -!- Poenikatu [~poenikatu@pdpc/supporter/bronze/poenikatu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:08:10 malbertife__ [~malbertif@95.236.12.98] has joined #lisp 07:08:26 -!- banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:08:37 Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has joined #lisp 07:09:17 -!- Lefeni [~Lefeni@c-fc47e555.143-16-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:11:48 -!- 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#lisp 11:32:45 hello 11:33:42 doncha think cl having to much legacy? 11:35:54 isn't it too much to have 900 function in spec? 11:36:03 why lisp-2? 11:36:21 where is delimited continuations? 11:36:24 gekko_ [~jjk@dev.pro-it.dk] has joined #lisp 11:36:50 when new cl standard is coming? 11:37:14 TaiH4: take this to the comp.lang.lisp newsgroup. They will be happy to enlighten you. 11:38:59 I'd say that it is too little. 11:39:13 ASau: re 900 functions? 11:39:16 Yes. 11:41:00 -!- motionman [~motionman@unaffiliated/motionman] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:41:44 Posterdati [~kvirc@host111-230-dynamic.7-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 11:42:53 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:43:44 flame_ [~flame_@unaffiliated/flame/x-0205742] has joined #lisp 11:44:27 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:45:09 TDog [~chatzilla@67-1-224-223.tcso.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 11:47:06 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 11:47:24 desophos [~desophos@n163h87.dhcp.oxy.edu] has joined #lisp 11:50:04 eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-54-3-59.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 11:52:01 -!- Ambit [~chatzilla@c-50-161-33-61.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 24.0/20130910160258]] 11:53:14 sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 11:54:16 syrinx [~quassel@unaffiliated/syrinx-/x-4255893] has joined #lisp 11:56:32 ccorn [~ccorn@hosting.trifork.nl] has joined #lisp 11:56:39 gendl [~gendl@c-98-250-10-50.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:00:37 -!- pengkh_ [~pengkh@42.120.74.214] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:01:08 why people use cl even if it has so many design flaws? 12:01:49 the same reason people use many other flawed things. It gets shit done 12:01:57 -!- Joreji [~thomas@172-212.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:03:01 Karl_dscc [~localhost@wlan255185.rz.uni-leipzig.de] has joined #lisp 12:03:20 TaiH4: C and C++ have more design flaws, still people use them. 12:03:35 -!- TDog [~chatzilla@67-1-224-223.tcso.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:03:35 don't feed the trolls 12:04:02 maybe someone with mod privileges can help the troll to find the way out. It will happen eventually. 12:04:21 -!- antgreen [~green@dsl-207-112-125-176.tor.primus.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:04:23 prxq: I'm waiting to see if it goes more abusive 12:04:40 what flaws are there? 12:04:44 I'll nibble 12:05:39 didi [~user@unaffiliated/didi/x-1022147] has joined #lisp 12:05:41 deadghost: it doesn't satisfy TaiH4 criteria. Other than that, I keep being mystified by pathnames. 12:06:07 ASau: yeah, just wondering why, you know cpp hase advantages like speed and stuff, cl have it's onw adwantages like ease of debugging. For which advantages people usually choose cl over,say, racket? 12:06:32 cpp doesn't even implement programming language. :D 12:07:20 It's prooven that sbcl produces code which faster than racket code. But i don't think thats the main reason to choose cl over racket 12:07:39 TaiH4: I found cl programs to be same speed of cpp compile ones 12:07:49 does lisp even have flaws that don't stem from being old and having cruft? 12:07:56 TaiH4: Even involving hardware 12:08:24 deadghost: look at list memory reppresentation 12:08:34 deadghost: i don't think so, not sure from where lisp-2 stems though. 12:09:35 maybe cl has more evolved infrastructure rathen racket not sure. 12:10:32 please, people familiar with racket can you give me few hints on why one may choose cl over racket besides speed 12:11:25 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 12:11:33 przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has joined #lisp 12:11:43 p_l: i'm not here to abuse something just wondering whether invest time in racket or in cl... 12:11:59 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 12:11:59 TaiH4: that's why you haven't flown ballistically from a kick 12:13:06 Posterdati, can you explain further? 12:13:12 or point me to something that explains it 12:13:20 didi` [~user@unaffiliated/didi/x-1022147] has joined #lisp 12:14:12 deadghost: c/cpp could store list in memory as adjacent memory blocks, so no hole in reppresentation appear, lisp not 12:14:16 -!- didi [~user@unaffiliated/didi/x-1022147] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:14:38 Shinmera [~linus@public-docking-pat-hg-mapped-0041.ethz.ch] has joined #lisp 12:14:53 so lisp way to reppresent lists is not efficient at memory usage level 12:15:06 Posterdati: depends on allocator and GC 12:15:19 in both C and CL 12:15:21 p_l: ok, but this is not a rule 12:15:36 -!- banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:15:52 p_l: on c you can use __attribute__ (( __packed__ )) just to be sure 12:15:54 Posterdati: the rule is that unless you wrote allocator for a list to take locality into account, you can't expect anything other than random 12:16:20 Posterdati: that only means you get much closer fit (and possibly slower) on individual array 12:16:51 not only 12:17:00 a singly linked list (the kind formed by CONS(data, CONS(data, CONS...)) can be thrown around in both 12:17:09 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:17:18 hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@217.25.220.19] has joined #lisp 12:18:13 and iirc STL doesn't specify the allocation scheme used for the included singly-linked-list template 12:18:27 p_l: ok 12:18:34 p_l: you're right 12:18:38 Greetings. 12:18:45 p_l: look at array<> class in cpp 12:18:51 sgniteerG 12:19:14 Posterdati: that's an array, not a list 12:19:22 there's a significant difference there 12:19:25 hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has joined #lisp 12:19:51 Shinmera: teinesrgg 12:20:07 p_l: but you can use it to be the allocator class for list 12:20:45 Posterdati: which falls under making your own specific allocators 12:21:04 p_l: so your list< type, array< ... > > is a uniform stored data list 12:21:13 p_l: yes 12:21:49 -!- flame_ [~flame_@unaffiliated/flame/x-0205742] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 12:22:21 Posterdati: this is what fare's interface passing style can accomodate you with 12:23:25 spacefrogg: what do you mean? 12:23:33 -!- Harag [~Thunderbi@105-236-51-243.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 12:24:23 platypine [platypine@c-76-24-98-69.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:24:23 -!- platypine [platypine@c-76-24-98-69.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 12:24:23 platypine [platypine@unaffiliated/doritos] has joined #lisp 12:24:44 separate data storage from the interface to access it with 12:25:02 Harag [~Thunderbi@105-236-51-243.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 12:26:38 you need not know beforehand if your data will be stored as cl lists or arrays. you pass the actual interface to your data around with it. 12:27:05 ah ok 12:27:18 yes 12:32:04 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 12:33:42 -!- Sgeo [~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:35:16 -!- arrsim [~user@128.250.116.182] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:40:00 -!- ccorn [~ccorn@hosting.trifork.nl] has quit [Quit: ccorn] 12:40:48 TaiH4: you will never know until you try. I'm inclined to suggest you try to learn both, 12:42:14 -!- Code_Man` [~Code_Man@14-5.0-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:43:17 prxq: yeah, i'm afraid of that too, but time is limited and if i embark on learning both my knowlege will be very superficial, it's enough to decide but when i gain that superficial knowlege in both languages my time goes up 12:43:36 -!- platypine [platypine@unaffiliated/doritos] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:45:12 I ended up going with CL because it sounded more flexible and free than scheme 12:45:48 although as a newbie I can't really discern differences 12:45:55 and will probably end up learning both anyways 12:45:59 since I want to read sicp 12:47:28 ccorn [~ccorn@hosting.trifork.nl] has joined #lisp 12:48:47 TaiH4, when you came in and said cl had flaws 12:48:51 what flaws did you have in mind 12:48:53 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 12:50:05 deadghost: lisp-2, absence of delimited continuations, anaphoric macros, lagcy cruft 12:50:42 TaiH4: what you describe as "flaws" are just opionions of yourself 12:51:02 TaiH4: i don't think any of that is a flaw. 12:51:24 TaiH4: but you are entitled to your opinion and free to chose another language that does suit you better. 12:51:40 deadghost: Keep in mind that SICP is not about teaching Scheme. Also, Racket is not Scheme. Also, each scheme implementation can be very different from each other. 12:51:45 *|3b|* prefers lisp 2, there are libraries for delimited continuations (but not the full continuations scheme has), anaphoric macros are considered bad style but you can use them if you like, and 'legacy cruft' means lots of old code still runs 12:51:49 TaiH4: and note that "anaphoric macros" are not something that is in cl 12:51:59 H4ns: yeah, sorry, flaws from my point of view 12:52:35 didi`, I'm well aware 12:53:14 H4ns: hm, why? i thought every macro which is not hygienic is anaphoric, no? 12:53:14 well not about scheme 12:53:43 TaiH4: no. anaphoric macros are a certain technique that are made possible by unhygienic macros. 12:54:01 TaiH4: i don't use that technique, fwiw 12:54:18 ggole [~ggole@58-7-122-172.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 12:54:39 H4ns: so, if macro is unhygienic it's anaphoric because you've made it unhygienic by applying that technique, no? 12:54:43 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-147-235.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:56:31 TaiH4: i don't agree. in my world, anaphoric macros are a class of utility macros that capture one or more particular variables from the lexical environment to make code more concise. 12:56:54 TaiH4: but that is a class of utility macros that i neither use nor endores. 12:56:58 endorse 12:57:29 TaiH4: now, when it comes to taking advantage of non-hygienic macros, then yes, i use them sometimes, but not on a general utility level, but in applications. 12:57:54 I like Graham's aif, awhile in certain situations. It's like having _ or $_ in some other languages, just handy. 12:57:58 H4ns: how is possible to be neither hygienic nor anaphoric? these macros which you consider of neither type are just anaphoric macros which stab you when name of var clashes. 12:58:10 TaiH4: accidential variable capture is not a problem for me, though. i don't think a language needs to protect me from that. 12:58:45 TaiH4: what are you trying to say, really? are you saying that in your view, common lisp is flawed because it makes anaphoric macros possible? 12:58:48 antgreen [~green@206.108.169.133] has joined #lisp 12:59:23 normanrichards [~textual@70.114.215.220] has joined #lisp 12:59:23 thank you guys for reasonse, going to learn somethinjg finally 12:59:28 -!- TaiH4 [~other@188.162.65.56] has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:59:43 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-147-235.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 13:00:48 "accidential variable capture" is not a personal problem, it involves other code that is likely not yours. 13:01:37 eli: i think TaiH4 is now your problem :-) 13:02:07 More like a problem of the wind now... 13:02:11 eli: right. buggy libraries and buggy macros suck. 13:04:49 -!- ludocode [~quassel@108.175.232.32] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:05:11 is there even that large of a difference for a guy to mull over which lisp for learning purposes? 13:05:24 -!- jd__ [~jd@prometheus.naquadah.org] has left #lisp 13:05:33 malbertife [~malbertif@95.236.12.98] has joined #lisp 13:05:46 Depends on what you want to learn. 13:05:51 hi 13:05:55 -!- Hermit [~hermit@unaffiliated/grpala] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:06:08 Shinmera, what do you mean 13:06:24 is it possible to use trace to show function instruction execution? 13:06:49 sorry 13:07:07 -!- Patzy [~something@lns-bzn-51f-81-56-151-137.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:07:10 deadghost: Each language has a different focus and thus they're good for learning different things. 13:07:21 -!- gendl [~gendl@c-98-250-10-50.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: gendl] 13:07:48 Shinmera, got an example? 13:07:53 between lisps 13:10:15 deadghost: I have only used CL so far, but the best comparison for this that stuck in my mind is that CL is for engineers and Scheme for mathematicians. 13:12:14 Schemer: "Buddha is small, clean, and serious." 13:12:19 Lispnik: "Buddha is big, has hairy armpits, and laughs." 13:12:59 -!- sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 13:13:00 Sounds about the same as the engineer/mathematician debate. 13:13:04 *comparison 13:13:12 it basically is 13:13:35 Euch, battery power is almost gone. 13:13:39 -!- Shinmera [~linus@public-docking-pat-hg-mapped-0041.ethz.ch] has quit [Quit: BBL] 13:13:41 -!- antgreen [~green@206.108.169.133] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:14:01 Patzy [~something@lns-bzn-51f-81-56-151-137.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 13:14:17 przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has joined #lisp 13:14:55 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-147-235.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:17:10 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-50-60.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:21:22 -!- clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:21:24 gendl [~gendl@98.250.10.50] has joined #lisp 13:21:56 clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has joined #lisp 13:24:37 yacks [~py@103.6.159.103] has joined #lisp 13:26:18 -!- clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:26:41 `fogus [~fogus@70.182.191.151] has joined #lisp 13:27:15 xotedend [~quassel@50-77-75-69-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 13:29:29 zophy [~sy@host-94-20-107-208.midco.net] has joined #lisp 13:29:59 nialo- [~yaaic@66-87-116-196.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined #lisp 13:30:15 -!- nipra [~nipra@61.12.27.114] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:31:29 dcxi [~dcxi@218.Red-83-61-33.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 13:35:11 sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 13:35:32 -!- normanrichards [~textual@70.114.215.220] has quit [] 13:37:19 -!- varjagg [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:37:53 -!- nialo- [~yaaic@66-87-116-196.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:40:00 -!- zickzackv [~faot@p5DDB0AF9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:40:18 normanrichards [~textual@70.114.215.220] has joined #lisp 13:40:43 zickzackv [~faot@p5DDB0AF9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 13:43:22 -!- ccorn [~ccorn@hosting.trifork.nl] has quit [Quit: ccorn] 13:46:18 clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has joined #lisp 13:47:34 -!- normanrichards [~textual@70.114.215.220] has quit [] 13:50:53 -!- sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 13:51:51 ccorn [~ccorn@hosting.trifork.nl] has joined #lisp 13:53:34 -!- Harag [~Thunderbi@105-236-51-243.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Quit: Harag] 13:53:51 -!- stardiviner [~stardivin@112.10.118.222] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:54:27 TaiH4 [~other@188.162.65.56] has joined #lisp 13:54:32 hi again 13:54:36 starting out with cl 13:54:48 -!- gendl [~gendl@98.250.10.50] has quit [Quit: gendl] 13:54:54 how can i sleep in thread created by bordeaux-threads? 13:55:03 <|3b|> clhs sleep 13:55:03 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_sleep.htm 13:55:19 -!- joast [~rick@cpe-24-160-56-92.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:55:38 |3b|: ah, so sleep is thread local right? 13:56:02 <|3b|> spec doesn't say anything about threads, but i'd expect so 13:56:57 |3b|: why do you prefer lisp2 by the way? http://www.nhplace.com/kent/Papers/Technical-Issues.html according to that docvument there are no advantages of lisp2 over lisp1. 13:57:03 -!- gekko_ [~jjk@dev.pro-it.dk] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 13:57:47 |3b|: thanks, sleep worked as needed. 13:58:06 <|3b|> personal preference 13:59:07 joast [~rick@cpe-24-160-56-92.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 13:59:15 <|3b|> if i had to make an argument in favor of it, i'd point to the way users of many case-sensitive languages use different case to mark different namespaces (for example variables lowercase, classes capitalized, constants all caps, etc) 13:59:27 scampbell [~scampbell@mail.scampbell.net] has joined #lisp 13:59:40 -!- Okasu [~1@unaffiliated/okasu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:02:14 i thought that lisp-2 would be better to lisp-1 but i found the difference to be rather unimportant in practice. 14:03:03 sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 14:03:38 I have never used a lisp-1, but I suspect the differences amount to a different annoyance for each. 14:03:45 right 14:06:08 for me the biggest annoyance in a lisp-1 is that you need to be careful not to re-bind existing names 14:06:46 i.e. you can't use punning 14:06:55 *pavelpenev* gives his own 2 cents: writing lst instead of list is just stupid 14:07:13 "stupid" is a bit of a strong word, i'd say 14:07:17 schaueho: but that's not strictly because of lisp-1 14:07:21 I agree with pavelpenev 14:07:23 stardiviner [~stardivin@112.10.118.153] has joined #lisp 14:07:34 H4ns: probably, but I was going for dramatic effect :) 14:07:45 schaueho: it's because Scheme allows standard functions to be rebound 14:07:49 and the advantage of being able to write (((((((lambda (x) ...) etc)))))) is questionable 14:07:50 I restrained myself from using fucking stupid 14:07:54 :))))) 14:08:01 no, but the use case that pavelpenev is the one I had in mind 14:08:25 davazp [~user@178.167.194.253.threembb.ie] has joined #lisp 14:08:25 chenjf [~chenjf@183.19.103.122] has joined #lisp 14:08:28 no, but the use case that pavelpenev mentioned is the one I had in mind 14:09:36 same thing with Clojure, btw. 14:11:03 I like the fact that I can use a word in different context and not have it be confusing. Like I have a class named foo, and I define foo in a let to be an instance of that class, but maybe I also have a function foo that does something because foo happens to also be a verb in english. That last one is debatable though. 14:11:46 Can we foo this conversation? 14:12:06 works out fine for 'list which is a type, a function and I can use it as a variable(and an implementation might have a class named list too) 14:12:19 prxq: hey, it is always important to make clear that we cl programmers are doing it right and the others are stupid! 14:12:26 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 14:13:44 anyone effectively use paredit (emacs) with large parenscript files? It seems to be closing tags at incorrect spots, I'm guessing since it doesn't recognize things like (@ object property) (maybe I should ask in #emacs though) 14:16:00 rvchangue [~rvchangue@unaffiliated/rvchangue] has joined #lisp 14:16:38 -!- banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:17:38 -!- sirdancealo2 [~sirdancea@194.228.11.188] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:17:58 tiglog [~tiglog@111.161.79.28] has joined #lisp 14:18:53 -!- malbertife [~malbertif@95.236.12.98] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:20:10 fishduck [~douglas_@gateway/tor-sasl/douglas/x-75997517] has joined #lisp 14:20:38 what do you call each sublist in lisp, in a general term? Expressions? 14:22:07 fishduck: I know nothing about no sublists but I do know that lists are sort of S-Expressions. 14:23:27 fishduck: is this what you were asking for? 14:27:07 sellout- [~Adium@97-118-164-167.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 14:27:13 Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has joined #lisp 14:27:30 -!- edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-109-193-013-113.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: experience abandoned into perpetual damage] 14:28:13 fortitude [~mts@rrcs-24-97-165-124.nys.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 14:29:23 duggiefresh [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has joined #lisp 14:29:58 oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-153-160.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 14:32:50 <|3b|> ahungry: @ shouldn't confuse paredit, it is just a symbol like any other 14:33:54 <|3b|> well, shouldn't confuse it too much, i guess it M-( doesn't wrap it correctly 14:34:27 kobain [~sambio@unaffiliated/kobain] has joined #lisp 14:35:11 ch077179 [~ch077179@unaffiliated/ch077179] has joined #lisp 14:35:38 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-153-160.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:36:14 mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 14:39:21 yea, I was running into a problem where my nested parenscript code could not add the closing paren in a statement such as 14:39:39 (setf (@ thing here) "string value") 14:39:44 it wouldn't let me put on the closing paren 14:39:55 it kept adding to the end of the containing block 14:43:44 In CFFI, is it possible to use a `define-foreign-type'd type as a parameter in a `defcallback'? 14:43:58 rstandy` [~rastandy@pc193-204-199-181.cmcc.it] has joined #lisp 14:44:18 it depends on the host 14:44:42 didi`: it depends what type that is 14:44:53 Harag [~Thunderbi@105-236-51-243.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 14:44:56 -!- bulibuta [~bulibuta@irofti.net] has left #lisp 14:45:06 -!- rstandy [~rastandy@host222-156-static.227-95-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:45:12 -!- Harag [~Thunderbi@105-236-51-243.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Client Quit] 14:45:17 I don't think we've tested anything other than primitive types 14:45:39 fe[nl]ix: It's a pointer to a struct which I've defined a translator to a Lisp struct. 14:45:46 oic 14:46:17 hitecnologys: yes, exactly :). The "s-forms" internal "s-forms", what are those called? 14:46:17 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-147-235.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 14:46:23 didi`: try it 14:46:41 fe[nl]ix: I am. But the compiler complains that my type is not a CFFI type. 14:47:20 then define the callback using :pointer and run the conversion yourself 14:47:25 Well, more precisely, "unknown CFFI type". 14:47:26 -!- tychoish [~tychoish@foucault.cyborginstitute.net] has quit [Quit: http://cyborginstitute.org/] 14:47:37 fe[nl]ix: I will. 14:47:51 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:48:37 <|3b|> fishduck: "form"? 14:48:43 tychoish [~tychoish@foucault.cyborginstitute.net] has joined #lisp 14:48:45 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-54-3-59.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:48:51 fe[nl]ix: Thank you. 14:48:54 |3b|: hmm.. so what's your definition of form? 14:48:56 <|3b|> "form" includes things other than lists though 14:49:16 what do form include, and why is it called "form"? 14:49:45 ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has joined #lisp 14:50:57 -!- ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:52:22 fishduck: http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/26_glo_f.htm#form is the deffinition of form 14:52:24 -!- desophos [~desophos@n163h87.dhcp.oxy.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:52:38 thanks :) 14:53:35 <|3b|> yeah, that 14:53:38 joshe [~joshe@2001:470:e862::1:1] has joined #lisp 14:53:50 fishduck: so a symbol like foo, a compound form like (+ 1 2) or a self-evaluating form like 1(evaluates to 1), or a quoted form, like '(+ 1 2) or 'foo 14:54:51 -!- ccorn [~ccorn@hosting.trifork.nl] has quit [Quit: ccorn] 14:56:38 -!- Vivitron [~Vivitron@c-50-172-44-193.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:56:57 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:57:56 -!- Poenikatu [~poenikatu@pdpc/supporter/bronze/poenikatu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:59:58 pavelpenev: where a quoted form like 'foo is just a fancy way of saying (quote foo) 15:00:05 -!- clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:00:41 clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has joined #lisp 15:01:23 ccorn [~ccorn@hosting.trifork.nl] has joined #lisp 15:05:16 -!- clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:05:18 Posterdati: you can use cl-stepper 15:05:23 ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has joined #lisp 15:05:59 to trace the execution expression by expression. 15:10:50 deadghost: it doesn't satisfy TaiH4 criteria. Other than that, I keep being mystified by pathnames. <-- everyone does 15:11:04 pathnames will only show you the path to insanity 15:11:19 clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has joined #lisp 15:11:40 -!- zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:12:01 especially the "logical" ones, which are anything but :) 15:15:10 przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has joined #lisp 15:19:17 oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-153-160.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 15:20:51 On the contrary, the logical pathnames are the only pathnames that work the same in all conforming implementations. 15:21:13 The problem is when you expect implemementations to do sane things when converting logical pathnames to physical pathnames. 15:21:34 But if you do the translations yourself, eg. thru load-logical-pathname-translations, it works very nicely. 15:21:45 -!- Karl_dscc [~localhost@wlan255185.rz.uni-leipzig.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:24:43 -!- clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:25:13 -!- lc0dd0cl [~thisismyu@21.12.11.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [] 15:25:19 clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has joined #lisp 15:25:25 TaiH4: (defpackage "TAIH4-LISP" (:use "CL") (:export "CONS" "CAR" "CDR" "LAMBDA" "COND" "NULL" "NIL" "CONSP")) (defpackage "TAIH4-LISP-USER" (:use "TAIH4-LISP")) (in-package "TAIH4-LISP-USER") 15:25:39 TaiH4: problem solved: you have a lisp with 7 functions and one macro. 15:26:15 You forgot T 15:26:18 -!- ccorn [~ccorn@hosting.trifork.nl] has quit [Quit: ccorn] 15:26:19 TaiH4: If you have problems with the size of the underlying implementation, you're free to write an implementation of this subset of Common Lisp, the TaiH4 lisp. 15:26:33 Shinmera: not needed, you can use 'null or 'car instead :-) 15:26:37 -!- thelorax123 [~nodebot@165.225.138.217] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:26:43 fair enough I guess. 15:26:45 Or just taih4-lisp-user::t 15:27:01 -!- guyal [~anonymous@108-235-117-64.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: The Sleeper has Asleepen] 15:27:02 ikki [~ikki@201.164.188.20] has joined #lisp 15:27:14 thelorax123 [~nodebot@165.225.138.217] has joined #lisp 15:28:15 ccorn [~ccorn@hosting.trifork.nl] has joined #lisp 15:29:02 -!- mc40 [~mcheema@164.138.80.236] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:29:11 mc40 [~mcheema@164.138.80.236] has joined #lisp 15:29:26 -!- clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:30:45 -!- Patzy [~something@lns-bzn-51f-81-56-151-137.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:31:22 Patzy [~something@lns-bzn-51f-81-56-151-137.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 15:31:31 The seeds of lisp-2 are to be found in LISP (1, 1.5), where the name, function and value of the symbols were stored on the symbol p-list. 15:31:48 LiamH [~healy@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #lisp 15:32:32 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:34:21 bruston [benjamin@serenity.bruston.co.uk] has joined #lisp 15:35:00 -!- ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:35:33 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 15:37:18 are we still feeding TaiH4? 15:38:16 -!- zickzackv [~faot@p5DDB0AF9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:39:45 Poenikatu [~poenikatu@pdpc/supporter/bronze/poenikatu] has joined #lisp 15:39:48 mathrick: I feed him with lisp. 15:41:05 Could someone look at this paste (http://paste.lisp.org/+2ZYE) and tell me why (sort ... is losing an element of its list? 15:41:33 Poenikatu: Save `sort' value. 15:42:34 Poenikatu: "sort and stable-sort destructively sort sequences according to the order determined by the predicate function." 15:42:46 zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 15:42:53 can't (if (not (null each)) be replaced by (if each ? 15:43:14 -!- banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:43:17 w|t: yes 15:43:24 didi`, Yes, but the HyperSpec definitely says that no element will be lost, and the example does actually delete an element from the list 15:43:38 lc0dd0cl [~thisismyu@21.12.11.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 15:43:40 fishduck: if you're talking about lists specifically, then "element" is the most common word. Otherwise, "form" is the generic all-encompassing term 15:43:45 w|t: or, in that case even better than (if x (progn ..)): (when x ..) 15:43:59 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 15:44:09 rpg [~rpg@198-74-7-110.fttp.usinternet.com] has joined #lisp 15:44:10 Poenikatu: it will not be lost if you save the result 15:44:47 if the head changes, you will be missing one elements as you see 15:44:57 w|t, Yes, thanks. As a beginner at lisp, even I should have seen that 15:45:36 w|t: not in the brave new scheme world :) 15:45:45 which is why I find scheme very annoying in practice 15:47:28 feed trolls C++ porridge 15:47:31 they won't come back 15:47:33 Poenikatu: it's poor style to shorten names in CL without a good reason, so CS in your ASSOC-PUT would be better called CONS, or ELEM if you aren't sure it will be a cos 15:47:33 przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has joined #lisp 15:47:50 <|3b|> mathrick: isn't "elem" short for "element"? :p 15:48:03 |3b|: yes, but it's a common and accepted one :) 15:48:05 mathrick, when is it good to shorten names? 15:48:11 i.e. rplaca 15:48:16 mathrick, Thank you. I wasn't sure whether I could use CONS as the name of a variable 15:48:20 RPLACA doesn't count 15:48:32 <|3b|> w|t: too late to fix old names :/ 15:48:45 it's grandfathered in, just like ELT and NTH having reversed order of arguments 15:48:47 <|3b|> those tended to be justified by bytes costing quite a bit 15:48:55 <|3b|> which no longer applies 15:48:56 Poenikatu: we're a lisp-2, it's fine and expected 15:49:20 |3b|: also many machines had 6-char words 15:49:24 i see 15:49:29 mathrick, What do you mean, lisp-2? 15:49:31 FORTRAN.avi 15:49:33 so RPLACA was noticeably advantageous 15:50:02 <|3b|> yeah, i count 6-char words as "bytes are expensive", otherwise they could just use 2 words :) 15:50:03 Poenikatu: it means it's allowed to have functions, variables, classes, packages, etc. all having the same name without clashing 15:50:21 speaking of esoteric names, what about terpri? what does that mean? 15:50:30 terminal print 15:50:33 ahh 15:50:41 it's an awful name 15:51:14 |3b|: well, it's a different kind of expensive than "every byte counts", because crossing the word boundary means it's effectively as bad to have it 7 chars as 12 15:51:16 mathrick, I shall persevere with Graham's ANSI Common Lisp. The occurrences function was on of the exercises. Thank you all for the excellent response and help 15:51:27 which is why a lot of the names are specifically 6 chars long 15:52:06 Poenikatu: if you know any programming, I'd recommend PCL, it's a better book and better CL intro 15:52:28 Graham's style is questionable and he has a lot of quirks and inexplicable hangups 15:52:37 I share his distaste for LOOP, but that's about it 15:52:49 mathrick, Old adept of many languages, including COBOL . What is PCL? 15:52:56 minion: PCL 15:52:56 PCL: pcl-book: "Practical Common Lisp", an introduction to Common Lisp by Peter Seibel, available at http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/ and in dead-tree form from Apress (as of 11 April 2005). 15:53:37 Poenikatu: there's a userscript to have it format footnotes as hyperlinks, which the book uses liberally, one sec 15:53:54 Poenikatu: http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/11958 15:55:17 clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has joined #lisp 15:55:24 -!- banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:55:56 also the proper way to avoid using LOOP is to use ITER, not DO and DOLIST 15:56:02 gendl [~dcooper8@c-98-250-10-50.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:56:29 <|3b|> DOLIST and DOTIMES are reasonable alternatives where they are applicable 15:56:37 -!- dcxi [~dcxi@218.Red-83-61-33.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: dcxi] 15:56:45 I have strong suspicions DO was not just marginally influenced by FORTRAN's DO 15:56:54 I use DOLIST and DOTIMES when it makes it clearer and I'm sure I never need anything more. 15:56:55 |3b|: sometimes, but not as a general tool 15:57:00 mathrick, Graham uses DOLIST in his chapter 3. I was only following his teaching. However, thanks to your remarks, I'll try PCL 15:57:04 <|3b|> yeah, DO is less reasonable :) 15:57:06 Karl_dscc [~localhost@p5DD9CE68.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 15:57:20 -!- scampbell [~scampbell@mail.scampbell.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:57:31 Poenikatu: I know he does, and it's one of my objection to his style 15:57:34 one of many 15:57:46 *|3b|* prefers LOOP to ITER aside from the lack of extensibility and some of the features it lacks 15:57:47 mathrick, The url you have for userscripts shows code in a language unfamiliar to me. var? 15:57:49 I mean, when I'm sure that I don't need anything more in that looping construct. 15:58:16 Poenikatu: are you familiar with the idea of userscripts? 15:58:19 *dlowe* prefers ITER in theory, but pretty much always uses LOOP 15:58:23 mathrick, No 15:58:57 Poenikatu: ok then, they're small javascript snippets which can be installed into your browser and do some small (sometimes not so small) modifications to certain websites 15:59:16 in this case, it will run on the HTML of the PCL book and convert footnotes into working hyperlink 15:59:16 s 15:59:24 *|3b|* finds that having a "non-lispy" dsl in LOOP makes it easier for me to separate the "iteration" logic from the "stuff done at each step" logic 15:59:27 |3b|: the more i use it the less i find loop really needing much 15:59:35 mathrick, How do I use it? 15:59:43 Poenikatu: if you use chrome, you can install these directly as extensions. If you use firefox, you need scriptish/greasemonkey 15:59:56 https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/scriptish/ 16:00:02 or perhaps i do things that would require another feature some other way than loop 16:00:03 if you use IE, stop using IE :) 16:00:10 <|3b|> oGMo: finding element maximizing a function of the element is probably the main thing i miss from LOOP 16:00:40 which ITER does have 16:00:42 you can do that with LOOP? 16:01:05 <|3b|> you can with ITER but not (directly) with LOOP 16:01:13 I don't extend ITER much, and that part is certainly rather niche, but it does work much better with the rest of the language 16:02:02 the LOOP pseudo-english has an endless list of special cases and gotchas you need to know to make it function at all 16:02:06 -!- ccorn [~ccorn@hosting.trifork.nl] has quit [Quit: ccorn] 16:02:47 |3b|: yeah i vaguely recall using iter for maximizing/minimizing at one point 16:03:28 mathrick, Installed scriptish, will now start reading PCL and learning CL. Thanks for your help. Byee 16:03:35 -!- Poenikatu [~poenikatu@pdpc/supporter/bronze/poenikatu] has left #lisp 16:04:05 also i find the notion that loop is "less lispy" flawed since obviously, by definition, it is CL, and otherwise it would imply a moral imperative on what one "could" or "could not" do with lisp 16:04:34 also it generates fast code in sbcl so :p 16:04:58 <|3b|> i think it is more of a "should"/"should not" 16:05:00 -!- Patzy [~something@lns-bzn-51f-81-56-151-137.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:05:07 Patzy [~something@lns-bzn-51f-81-56-151-137.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 16:05:16 ckoch` [~ckoch@ne102612l.eng.utoledo.edu] has joined #lisp 16:06:10 oGMo: it's less lispy, even if it happens to be CL 16:06:51 it's also a traditional source of editor complexity, because it confuses not just humans, but editors with its syntax 16:06:57 less lispynot enough parentheses 16:07:01 -!- arenz [arenz@nat/ibm/x-jtxwmxwrejerlkks] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:07:03 mathrick: i disagree because that implies a definition of "lispy" when there isn't, and anything further is simply arguing terms 16:07:22 spirit vs letter 16:07:40 there is very much such a thing as preferred style in Lisp, and CL in particular 16:08:08 and inventing pseudo-english syntaxes is generally frowned upon anywhere outside of LOOP 16:08:47 -!- cpape [~user@cpape.eu] has left #lisp 16:08:50 some degree of pseudo-english is okay, obviously, and (for i in foo) and (collect x into bar) is an example of such a degree 16:08:54 cpape [~user@cpape.eu] has joined #lisp 16:09:53 but trying to make sure it has no parentheses ever, even at the price of making it work completely differently than *everything* else in the language, duplicating special forms (WHEN, IF, etc.), while ITER's WHEN is just CL WHEN 16:09:54 i think the only reason you don't see more is people don't realize it's actually pretty easy to parse 16:09:59 that's bad style and not lispy 16:10:12 also few other places really need compound expressions 16:11:07 oGMo: it's "easy" to parse if you don't mind redoing a significant number of core language special forms with different semantics 16:11:41 and having questions like "is it legal to have several clauses in LOOP's WHEN?", which is an actual question from a few days ago 16:11:54 because LOOP is completely different from the rest of the language 16:12:16 eh 16:12:16 -!- pavelpenev [~quassel@melontech.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:12:23 mathrick: most people get over it at some point. 16:12:23 everything is different in CL 16:12:30 (so is FORMAT, for that matter, but at least FORMAT has a unique set of pressures not shared by LOOP) 16:12:44 and there are various similar forms with different semantics all over the place 16:12:51 I find ITERATE is a very pleasant replacement for LOOP, and its use is spreading through our company. 16:12:54 singling out loop is easy just because it looks different 16:13:01 rpg: exactly 16:13:25 otherwise you have DO forms vs MAP forms etc 16:13:28 Emacs handles ITERATE better than LOOP, and ITERATE accommodates multiple-values and nested conditionals, both of which are real problems when using LOOP. 16:13:29 H4ns: I don't get over it because I don't need to :). I just use ITER, which is exactly what LOOP should've been 16:13:55 normanrichards [~textual@mobile-166-147-065-149.mycingular.net] has joined #lisp 16:14:10 oGMo: it's also easy because ITER demonstrates it was gratuitously different and there was no reason to make it bad 16:14:17 IMO, anyone who's ever used "AND" in LOOP should consider switching to ITERATE. 16:14:19 the "it must all look exactly the same!" thing only seems to irritate people who expect a language to be utterly uniform 16:14:45 ITER is *very* similar to LOOP, it only removes all the "it's different for no reason" annoyances of LOOP 16:14:56 mathrick: iirc i found iter to be ambiguous and difficult to actually extend, though i never benchmarked it to see if it was actually slower 16:15:00 Iterate needs a code walker. 16:15:06 _schulte_ [~eschulte@adaptive.cs.unm.edu] has joined #lisp 16:15:16 iterate uses a code walker? 16:15:17 heh 16:15:17 yea, i was about to say 16:15:20 iter isn't just nicer syntax 16:15:23 LiamH: drewc rewrote its core without needing a walker, and I need to finish that one day 16:15:23 oGMo: It's not just aesthetics. Try writing a complex conditional in LOOP, or try dealing with multiple-value returning functions, and you will see why having a different syntax can be a Bad Thing. 16:15:32 it also is a hell of a complex and hairy impl 16:15:35 because it doesn't actually need to to achieve what it's doing 16:15:37 mathrick: I don't see how 16:15:52 |3b|: DO is quite fine if you know Fortran. :) 16:15:54 LiamH: cleverness and being drewc 16:15:58 rpg: i have done those. you may be overabusing loop :p 16:16:05 ccorn [~ccorn@hosting.trifork.nl] has joined #lisp 16:16:50 Actually, also the fact that lots of existing LOOPs don't work in clisp (which implements it more strictly) might be another reason to avoid it. 16:17:20 i like LOOP. I've been pointed to iterate several times. I've checked it out. Seems cool but I haven't felt any pressure to switch to it in my code. 16:17:21 Or maybe it is a reason to learn it. :) 16:17:27 oGMo: "overabuse" is a pleonasm, abuse is already using it for something it wasn't meant for 16:18:12 A final sign that LOOP might be evil: the amount of novice code I see that looks like this: (LOOP FOR BLORT IN BAR DO ) with the DO left hanging on the right margin because otherwise the indentation goes pear-shaped. 16:18:15 LOOP is a nice way to introduce local scope or sequential block. 16:18:17 i used iterate for a bit, i jsut found it .. purely unnecessary 16:18:21 mathrick: obvious 16:18:36 ? 16:19:24 oGMo: yeah... I've heard the arguments about why LOOP is bad but I haven't felt any pain in using (ie: I haven't encountered the use cases where iterate claims to be superior) 16:19:41 If iterate didn't require a code-walker, I suspect I'd be more favorable about using it. 16:19:48 anything involving a code walker makes me squeamish 16:19:49 (but I don't write a lot of CL code so, ymmv) 16:19:50 heh 16:19:53 rpg: yeah, indenting LOOP is a PhD project, and CL mode in emacs has a whole separate parser just for it IIRC 16:19:56 j_king: i once used it for maximize/minimize, though i may have actually replaced it later with a normal loop due to some other issue. don't recall. haven't used it since. 16:20:05 mathrick: er .. what 16:20:12 -!- TaiH4 [~other@188.162.65.56] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 16:20:39 it required a substantial rewrite of the CL mode, and for years and years emacs couldn't cope with anything but the most trivial LOOP indentation 16:20:44 indenting in loop just requires you parse it, and parsing loop is reasonably easy .. perhaps less so in elisp, but my elisp is relatively weak 16:21:08 yes, and parsing LOOP is not at all like parsing CL 16:21:11 i think it's more a deficiency of emacs modes and parsing than language 16:21:14 ergo a whole separate parser 16:21:22 *|3b|* forgot the other thing i dislike about both LOOP and ITERate... conversations like this one :p 16:21:34 "it's bad because my editor is broken" is not a great argument 16:21:49 oGMo: It's a good enough one for me! ;-) 16:21:54 heh 16:22:05 I am intrigued as to how you could do iterate without a code-walker. 16:22:06 coffee, back to code :p 16:22:13 "it's bad because it breaks my editor which has no trouble supporting all the rest of the language, including user macros" is an argument though 16:22:14 "It's bad because ALL THE EDITORS are broken" is a better one. 16:22:49 smazga [~Adium@li336-165.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 16:22:55 anyway, my last word is "Try ITERATE; you might like it. If you don't, that's fine, too." 16:23:03 foom: it was a very clever approach which used MACROLET and let the language do its thing as spec'd 16:23:09 rpg: agree. 16:23:12 meaning it couldn't get it wrong 16:23:42 arenz [arenz@nat/ibm/x-dmzeceryqupcbbto] has joined #lisp 16:23:55 if you have an absolutely awesome language, yet the only thing standing in the way of your using it was the editor, it's not the language with the problem 16:23:59 the reason he even did it was because I hit a corner-case in which two competing codewalking libs clashed, one of which was ITER (and the other cl-perec's SELECT, IIRC) 16:24:08 have/had 16:24:10 The complexity of iterate's implementation never bothers me. It works and I understand (from the manual) how to use it, and that's all I need. 16:24:13 jangle [~jimmy1984@50.241.129.73] has joined #lisp 16:24:20 how come it isn't merged? 16:24:20 I easily found out what the problem was, but in the process, I got drewc to demonstrate it didn't *need* a codewalker 16:25:02 foom: because it was just a napkin sketch of the code, rewriting the core of it, but not most of the actual bells and whistles 16:25:15 oh. 16:25:17 oGMo: but LOOP is not awesome 16:25:35 it worked though 16:25:50 Well, that's exciting; if it ever gets finished, it'll make iterate be IMO the obvious right choice. :) 16:25:57 mathrick: opinion 16:26:01 foom: :) 16:27:31 oGMo: perhaps, but it definitely undermines the argument that "it breaks my editor" is not an argument. I'm doing perfectly fine without it in my editor which parse everything else in the language, and I have an existential proof that it didn't need to be different, because ITER does everything LOOP does and more, all the while being indented correctly by emacs with exactly 0 lines of special support 16:28:31 *parses 16:29:12 i think the real focus here should be that if you don't like a language construct in CL, you can just write your own, and it doesn't interfere with anyone else's 16:29:25 that's pretty neat 16:29:40 it is, and I never disputed that. CL is the most awesome language I know 16:30:08 but it has warts, and LOOP is one such wart, and I think having it makes the language overall worse 16:31:03 I'm wondering what the situation would be if ITER was included in CL implementations by default (like ASDF) 16:31:34 to jump topics a bit, is my memory failing me, or was bordeaux-threads replaced by something else as the preferred threading lib? I have vague recollections of that, but they might be false 16:31:47 Shinmera: yeah 16:32:32 or no LOOP at all in the language, and just ITER as a lib. Much like we don't have a regex implementation in the spec, yet everyone just uses CL-PPCRE 16:32:53 mathrick: BT is still the preferred one 16:33:12 fe[nl]ix: ah, alright. 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