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The aim is to have an audio stream of words and when the user hears a specific word, he/she presses a key on the keyboard (e.g. the space key). The event recorded will be the timing between the audio output and the key press. Do you think it is feasible? Would you use SDL for this or other? 11:33:43 igas [~igas@188.134.23.162] has joined #lisp 11:34:23 will it be done in assembly? 11:35:34 otherwise, that sounds trivial 11:36:06 -!- ehaliewicz [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:41:03 hah, no not assembly, lisp 11:41:24 DalekBaldwin [~Adium@cpe-67-247-62-139.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 11:41:39 p_nathan1 [~Adium@216.57.209.252] has joined #lisp 11:43:05 it is to measure the attention; could be useful as a test for some school children 11:44:13 mikeit [~mikeit@net-93-65-145-68.cust.dsl.vodafone.it] has joined #lisp 11:45:33 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.238] has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:47:29 tcr [~tcr@176.41.67.29] has joined #lisp 11:48:26 klltkr [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has joined #lisp 11:49:43 -!- p_nathan1 [~Adium@216.57.209.252] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:51:48 -!- tcr [~tcr@176.41.67.29] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:55:13 -!- DalekBaldwin [~Adium@cpe-67-247-62-139.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:57:00 -!- francogrex [~user@91.182.151.174] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 11:59:34 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 12:01:43 duggiefresh [~duggiefre@c-71-192-255-114.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:02:13 -!- mtd_ [~martin@ops-13.xades.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:03:16 echo-are` [~user@114.254.110.191] has joined #lisp 12:03:56 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:04:04 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-28-8.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 12:04:18 -!- echo-area [~user@114.254.110.191] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:08:46 -!- klltkr [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:09:39 -!- duggiefresh [~duggiefre@c-71-192-255-114.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:11:36 -!- jewel_ [~jewel@105-237-57-251.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:12:06 By the way (of SDL) - is there any news on it? 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, *and* it is white on black in a browser.
13:36:52  dim: ah, i see.  well, the bugs are real, though :)
13:36:56  H4ns: the "pmsi" to dbname change is a real bug, thanks for that, the two other changes are not, we need to talk about it
13:37:19  dim: i just hoped to be able to use it, which i was not.
13:37:54 *easye* waves to h4ns.
13:38:01  easye: o/
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13:39:24  yeah sure
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13:40:09  what I mean here is that the column name quoting will happen when using the right option, we default to downcasing identifiers
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13:40:39  I'd be quite happy if this project main problem now was documentation btw
13:41:20  dim: it is not the upcasing that bothered me, but the fact that we have a column that is called "end", which is not liked by postgres
13:41:35  so add to the WITH section of your MySQL command the "quote identifiers" option, or if you're using the CL API use :identifier-case :quote
13:41:53  then ask pgloader to quote all identifiers
13:42:06  I don't have implementer finer grained policies for identifiers yet
13:42:08  not sure I will
13:42:15  so you have a choice of downcase or quote
13:42:48  Keywords?
13:42:50  dim: ok, that'd work for me.
13:42:53  the line for colname = (apply-identifier-case name identifier-case) just before the format call that you've been changing is responsible for that
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13:43:43  you need to expect more problems tho in the migration when using :identifier-case :quote, if you're using mixed-case identifiers: then you will need to alway double-quote them in your PostgreSQL queries
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13:44:17  so while I encourage you using :identifier-case :quote for testing, you might want to consider renaming a selection of problematic cols
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13:45:26  oh, and I have another solution that I can implement here too: using select * from pg_get_keywords() where catcode = 'R'; I can get the list of identifiers to always quote
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13:46:33  then about the copier, you need a fresh copy of Postmodern from github as I had Marijn fix a bug for me there quite recently... or did you have a problem even with a fresh checkout?
13:47:10  i used postmodern from git as instructed
13:47:32  see https://github.com/marijnh/Postmodern/pull/38
13:47:41  ok
13:47:47  so in what way did it fail?
13:48:16  it failed in the way that the if clause indicates.  a database connection was passed instead of connection parameters.
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13:49:00  your fix will cause the GUC settings (such as work_mem or maintenance_work_mem to be unused when doing the COPY, and we want to be using them)
13:49:23  and it works for me here and on a test VM too
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13:50:05  the git clone of Postmordern should make open-db-write to accept an already established connection, such as pomo:*database*
13:50:28  could it be that your quicklisp is failing to load the local clone?
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13:53:32  i'll look at the tool again in a while.  i was just curious whether i could convert our database easily, which i seemingly cannot at this point.
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13:54:21  possible, but not so likely i'd say.
13:55:12  ok, let me know about more details when you have them then
13:55:47  I will see about adding the feature to always quote PostgreSQL reserved keywords meanwhile, so that you don't have to bother about the "end" column in your case...
13:55:48  yeah.  i'll look at the tool again in the future.  maybe it has some documentation by then :)
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13:56:32  I hope it will, and test cases and examples, and feature parity with the python code base so that I can finally retire it ;-)
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14:02:30  H4ns: did you have other problems with the tool or just wrote your patch when trying to have it run at least one but then had to give up?
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14:39:44  is it possible to handle a condition signaled with error? mmm, reading the docs
14:40:38  throw, catch
14:40:47  well the lib is using error in that case
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14:41:07  all will use program-error or so....
14:41:09  I want to handle-case it, my reading of the docs is that it's possible
14:41:21  which will dispatch to the correct type ....
14:41:45  dim: first, don't listen to oleo
14:42:02  dim: second, you're not telling what you want to do
14:42:41  postmodern signals a protocol-error condition (using error) and I want to handle it in pgloader to be able to reduce the input batch and find the one bad row in the batch
14:43:02  define handle
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14:43:36  (handler-case (cl-postgres:close-db-writer copier) ((or CL-POSTGRES-ERROR:UNIQUE-VIOLATION CL-POSTGRES-ERROR:DATA-EXCEPTION CL-POSTGRES::PROTOCOL-ERROR) (e) (progn (log-message :debug "pgsql:copy-from-queue: ~a" e) (retry-batch dbname table-name (nreverse *batch*) *batch-size*))))
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14:51:03  the error is signaled in QL:Postmodern/cl-postgres/protocol.lisp in the function message-case by doing: (error 'protocol-error :message (format nil "Unexpected message received: ~A" (code-char ,char-name)))
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14:51:46  i still don't see a question
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14:54:15  ah, sorry. the protocol error when raised is not handled by my handler-case form at all
14:54:29  should it be handled? should I do something else?
14:55:08  is it run from inside this handler-case?
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14:59:45  the error is called from the implementation of cl-postgres:close-db-writer
15:01:12  is the code recompiled/restarted?
15:03:30  I did recompile the pgloader code before testing, not the Postmodern one
15:04:27  are you sure that it comes only from close-db-writer?
15:05:28  right, it could come from any try at communicating with PostgreSQL
15:05:57  given my usecase here I would be really surprised if it wasn't coming from this point tho
15:06:07  anyway kids time now, will investigate later
15:06:13  thanks!
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15:47:22  Hi
15:47:48 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
15:47:51  do someone know a good portable common lisp implementation?
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15:49:28  memo?
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16:01:30  DeusExMachina: SBCL
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16:02:58  it doesn't work on Hurd on ARM
16:04:18  the only implemention i maneged to run with quicklisp is ccl
16:04:22  thanks for the proposals
16:04:30  keen_: on hurd?
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16:04:54  minion: advice on portable
16:04:55  #12017: It doesn't need to be portable, it just needs to work on your system.
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16:05:23  ABCL is as portable to anywhere with a JVM presumably
16:05:25  I thought of Implementations which you don't need to install
16:05:45  ibm has so much money on ppc, they should sponsor porting SBCL to ppc64
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16:06:05  DeusExMachina: sorry, raspberry pi
16:06:06  DeusExMachina: You don't need to install any of them
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16:06:15  You can't use them if you don't install them though.
16:06:52  what does it mean, not installing? a web application?
16:07:34  implementations which you could put at a USB-Stick, ...
16:07:45  all of them
16:08:38  oh Portable in the Windows Portable Binaries meaning then, maybe
16:09:05  I remember having worked on a Portable Emacs with all the gnu tools I needed, for windows, it was some amount of work indeed
16:09:16  ok
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16:11:14  I work with sbcl now and tried ccl too and my Computer and I thought maybe there is a implementation you can get for use on other PC's without installing
16:12:13  interesting re ppc[32] but not ppc64 being targetted by sbcl.  since macos got off the power arch when it was still 32 bit, i guess that means a lot of F/OSS never got 64 bit support
16:13:04  ppc`?
16:14:08  power, ppc, powerpc, whatever you want to call that family
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16:14:31  oh ok
16:15:38  DeusExMachina: you can produce an self-contained exe file from your code, too, so that you can distribute that file alone and use your software on another pc
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16:17:20  but only if the other PC runs the same operating system (I assume)...
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16:21:24  ok
16:21:50  I meant a implementation that I can use for Portable Development
16:23:53  DeusExMachina: my guess now is that you're working on Windows Environments and using Portable to mean something very unusual for Unix geeks
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16:24:23  something with wheels? or sleds?
16:24:30  oh ok
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16:25:45  H4ns: btw I added the force-quoting-keywords code, albeit with only very light testing (lost access to the VM I was using for my tests here...)
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16:35:45  dim: i could not convert my database because the mysql connection was lost while converting.
16:35:53  dim: i'm attributing that to mysql
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16:38:22  ah yes I've been experiencing that too, you have some specific setup to do in some cases
16:38:56  http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10563619/error-code-2013-lost-connection-to-mysql-server-during-query
16:39:36  sorry the most helpful link I found actually was http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6516943/lost-connection-to-mysql-server-during-query
16:39:57  tldr: raise max_allowed_packet in your my.cnf
16:40:53  i'll give that a try
16:41:22  if you do, git pull pgloader too so that you don't have to bother with the "end" column and default quoting (unless I broke it even more)
16:47:27  dim: looks good so far, and the postmodern issue was on my configuration (i had another copy in a directory that was early in my *central-registry* path).  running now.
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16:47:46  awesome, many thanks for confirming!
16:47:53  dim: is there a reason why you hard-code the number of threads that you use?
16:48:06  fear of deadlocks as they work in pairs
16:48:17  ok
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16:48:54  I don't want the lparallel schedule to be too smart without knowing that if a consumer is not running, the producer will have to stop and the whole system could halt, things like that
16:49:12 *dim* has a lazy fingers days, sorry about all those typos
16:50:05  the other reason is that I want to open more parallelism options, allowing processing more than a single source at any time
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16:50:51  dim: crashed, but somewhere else.  i'll need to run it again with output captured as the backtrace exceeded my terminal scrollback buffer
16:50:53  I began working in that direction already with having indexes against a given table all built in parallel (benefiting from PostgreSQL sync_scan feature); and in parallel with the loading of the next's table data too
16:51:15  unhandled CL-POSTGRES::PROTOCOL-ERROR in thread #                                                   "lparallel" RUNNING
16:51:16                                                     {1009368FA3}>:
16:51:16    Postgresql protocol error: Unexpected message received: Z
16:51:17  ok, wild bet if I had to do one: data error
16:51:23  check your PostgreSQL logs
16:51:40  might be a 0000-12-12 date of 2012-01-00 or something like that
16:51:47  seems more like a cl-sql problem to me, no?
16:51:54  cl-postgres even
16:52:01  yeah, but I'm not sure
16:52:22  see my attempts at http://git.tapoueh.org/?p=pgloader.git;a=commitdiff;h=40e9c438fa508d401bfe6687d838e8d7292f30af
16:52:37  ERROR:  date/time field value out of range: "0000-00-00 00:00:00"
16:53:32  so you need to tweak your command
16:53:52  there's a cast section that could look like this: cast type datetime to timestamptz drop default drop not null using zero-dates-to-null, type date drop not null drop not null drop default using zero-dates-to-null, type tinyint to boolean using tinyint-to-boolean, type year to integer;
16:54:01  that's where documentation will be great to have
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16:54:24  right.  i need to leave now, so i'll have to defer this.
16:54:28  sure
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16:57:13  I can't use SDL audio for some reason so I won't be able to do my program with lispbuilder-sdl
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16:59:42  Hello
17:00:33  hello Corvidium
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17:00:50  Hi beach
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17:36:31  can a symbol name have space?
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17:37:28  it can
17:37:36  symbol name is a string
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17:38:33  foo\ bar
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17:39:15  thanks all :)
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17:47:36  cppiii: A list of two symbols: (|hello world!|  hello| |world\!)
17:48:20 -!- pjb` is now known as pjb
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17:48:26  why quote !?
17:48:43  What quote?
17:48:49 -!- pjb is now known as Guest30940
17:48:52  Oh \!, just for fun.
17:48:55 -!- Guest30940 is now known as pjb`
17:49:05  Also, consider this:
17:49:06  CL-USER> 'foo|bar baz|xyzzy
17:49:07  |FOObar bazXYZZY|
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17:49:12  why change names?
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17:49:24  Again, for fun :-)
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17:53:14  stassats: you have experience with audio libraries, what do you think is the most appropriate for the project i wanted to write?
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17:53:56  i wouldn't even use a library, probably just fire up mpg[123] or mplayer
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18:00:12  Write directly to /dev/dsp
18:00:32  and hear "zhzhzhzhyyyzhzh"
18:00:46  No, write nice samples.
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18:01:21  storing raw pcms is quite wasteful
18:01:36  mplayer as a running program from within lisp... maybe. The thing I'll need to calculate the time distance between the word audio utterance and the click (or key press)
18:02:17  Oh, sorry, I skipped the last part of the question. Yes of course, just fork mplayer to play the file.
18:02:30  francogrex: by the way your "project", it's a one liner.
18:03:07  pjb: how ?
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18:04:31  (with-open-file (times "times.dat" :direction :output :if-does-not-exist :create :if-exists :supersede) (loop with start = (get-universal-time) initally (ext:shell "mplayer words.mp3 &") do (read-line) (print (- (get-universal-time) start) times)))
18:04:49  and have the user type RET each time they hear a word.
18:05:34  If you want sub-second time precision, you can use (/ (get-internal-real-time) internal-time-units-per-second) instead of (get-universal-time).
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18:08:05  I'll try. It's to test attention in kids (my children): for example I'd like to find out if we play the sentence "I am hearing these words english right now" that they recognize that the word "english" is being said and they press ret or space... how much delay...
18:08:37  the setence will be in french but no matter
18:09:17  Now, of course, you can add complexity, but it's to say that the basic functionality is not hard to implement at all.
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18:10:16  If you want to use another key than RET, you have to deal with raw terminals, which is easy in clisp which provide a keyboard API, but harder in general (you'd have to use cl-ncurses or iolib, etc).
18:10:46  Perhaps you also want the program to deal with the end of the sound file playing, so you may need threads.
18:11:06  And perhaps you want to do something else than just writing timing data to a file.
18:11:28  Perhaps you will also have data files with the expected timings and you'd want to compare them with the student performances?
18:11:31  Etc.
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18:12:13  yes indeed, especially the expected timing and the comparisons..
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18:13:31  But with this oneliner, you've got a starting point.  Wrap it in a defun, and improve it iteratively ;-)
18:13:45  and interactively too of course.
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18:17:46  yes it's very good. I though I needed an audio lib wrapper, but this is much more straightforward
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18:57:47  dim: i added what you suggested to my command, but the error is the same
18:58:20  that's weird
18:58:34  meanwhile I'm wondering if I shouldn't just make this the default
18:58:54  I don't like having drop not null and drop default as a default tho
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18:59:38  weird in as so much as I've been doing quite some tests with those casting rules and they do work fine for me
18:59:54  maybe i got it wrong: http://paste.lisp.org/display/139319
19:00:00  H4ns: I added support for testing against a single table only, just add ?table-name in the MySQL URI, by the way
19:01:05  CAST could be upper case for easier reading your command (and indented to match WITH), that'd be my only comment
19:01:19  could you paste mayne the column definitions in MySQL and PostgreSQL?
19:01:42  you should have the table and column name in the PostgreSQL logs I guess
19:01:49  i added   MySQL error: "Unknown column 'station_mapping_cache' in 'where clause'" (errno = 1054).
19:02:04  (?station_mapping_cache to just do the offending table)
19:02:27  that's using code commited earlier tonight, maybe you're copy's not fresh enough
19:02:49  Date:   Sat Oct 5 18:02:42 2013 +0200, Allow filtering the MySQL migration to a single table from the command language.
19:02:56  commit ef6eb2bd3c7eea18f2f796c57f9d1cfc5b060fb0
19:03:20  or I did it wrong
19:03:22  i have that
19:03:58  the where clause I added reads:    where table_schema = '~a' ~@[and table_name in (~{~a~^,~})~]
19:04:24  damn I forgot the quotes, and couldn't test for VM being down
19:04:34  http://paste.lisp.org/display/139319#1
19:04:38  perfectly matches your error string, fixing now, sorry about that
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19:05:32  just pushed
19:06:02  seems to work now
19:06:11  (selecting a table, that is)
19:06:24    `last_update_ts` timestamp NOT NULL DEFAULT CURRENT_TIMESTAMP ON UPDATE CURRENT_TIMESTAMP,  --- that's harder to support and not taken care of yet
19:06:36  the default value should be kept and compatible with PostgreSQL, right?
19:06:48  the update behavior needs a before trigger in PostgreSQL tho
19:07:26  the default should be kept, of course.  i can do away with not having the updates be done automatically
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19:07:38  the NOT NULL bits is what causes MySQL to insert 0000-00-00 values when you don't provide for a value in the column, and that should be handled in the casting case, but maybe the extra bits of information are confusing the code
19:08:28  oh and the real thing: it's a timestamp column, not a datetime
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19:08:49  add a cast line as such: type timestamp to timestamptz drop not null using zero-dates-to-null
19:09:46  that should preserve the default value (or it's a bug or a default cast rule taking precedence, which would also be a bug), and that should take care of zero dates
19:10:29 *H4ns* tries
19:10:56  the MySQL "timestamp" not being taken care of anywhere in the current casting rules I have, it fall down to the default processing which is to keep the type name and not even care about the other information --- something to be done here maybe too
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19:11:48  unhandled CL-POSTGRES-ERROR:FEATURE-NOT-SUPPORTED in thread # looks like CURRENT_TIMESTAMP is not handled correcly and has been cut somewhere, I'd like to see the result of the pgloader.mysql:list-all-columns query
19:13:00  I mean for that column only
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19:13:18  how do i do that?  i'm using ./pgloader.lisp -f
19:13:33  let me paste the query to run against mysql for you then
19:13:50  as an annotation to your current one even
19:15:09  http://paste.lisp.org/display/139319#2
19:15:24  I need the result of that query, then I can add a test case and make it work for you
19:16:25  http://paste.lisp.org/display/139319#3
19:18:20  n: timestamp        timestamptz default 'CURRENT_TIMESTAMP' using ZERO-DATES-TO-NULL
19:18:27  that's the conversion I'm getting here
19:18:49  create table foo(n timestamptz default 'CURRENT_TIMESTAMP');
19:18:50  ERROR:  0A000: date/time value "current" is no longer supported
19:19:00  and that's the PostgreSQL error, ok
19:19:12  create table foo(n timestamptz default CURRENT_TIMESTAMP);
19:19:12  CREATE TABLE
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19:19:39  so I need to remove the quoting here to use the magic SQL standard syntax rather than a literal or a function call, nice.
19:19:46   n      | timestamp with time zone | default now()
19:20:09  brb
19:20:15  of course the magic SQL standard syntax is converted to a function call by PostgreSQL, it's just not matched when quoted
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19:26:36  I believe I have a fix now
19:27:03  let me know when i should pull
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19:29:37  now is a good time :)
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19:31:00    Database error: Incorrect number of parameters given for prepared statement .
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19:31:43  http://paste.lisp.org/display/139319#4
19:31:46  oh dear, sorry about the back&forth here...
19:32:10  you should have the full query text in the PostgreSQL logs
19:33:17  http://paste.lisp.org/display/139319#5
19:33:21 *dim* trying to figure out how to unfreeze a stuck VM... let's reboot it
19:33:44  that's what I expected the previous run to look like
19:34:03  the new one should avoir the quoting around CURRENT_TIMESTAMP, it did in my tests
19:34:06  that's the tail of my log
19:34:55  mmm, rebooting the frozen VM here so that I can try the full thing not just the casting internals
19:36:09  manual fsck needed, blocks lost
19:36:32  I'm not sure what you could test on your side here, apart from checking that the newer code got compiled maybe?
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19:38:03 *dim* brb
19:38:40  i removed all fasls, same result
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19:45:47  ok I understand my bug now
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19:46:09  no I don't.
19:46:41  could you quickload "pgloader" then run (pgloader.mysql::test-casts)?
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19:54:55 *dim* still fighting against the VM
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19:59:08  what online or cloud VM provider do you use if any?
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20:11:59  dim: nearly any would work fine. Do a good check of what each provider offers and prices
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20:12:36  will do
20:12:55  I managed to have a local mysql instance meanwhile, testing against H4ns test case
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20:18:22  H4ns: error reproduced.
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20:30:10  ok that seems to be related to handling of sequence reset
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20:36:03  fixed
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20:39:08  H4ns: pushed, and this time I tested against the same command as you use, the full thing, with running instances of MySQL and PostgreSQL (but only against an empty copy of your table, that said)
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21:28:24  just idle curiosity, does anyone remember if nil in scheme is a symbol, or just a literal notation for ()?
21:28:46  there's no nil
21:28:55  oh
21:28:59  scheme is a symbol, i think, and not bound to the empty list.
21:28:59  well, that settles it I guess
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21:29:18  or, nil is.
21:29:41  it has #t and #f and (), which all are different
21:29:48  yeah, I know
21:30:00  I guess nil is less useful if you need to say (null? foo) anyway
21:30:01  (bonkers, if you ask me)
21:30:14  stassats: yes, that's where it started :)
21:30:30  me talking about stupid lack of natural termination conditions in scheme
21:30:55  well I must say that CL generalized booleans and SQL three valued boolean logic don't go together very well... is nil 'false' or NULL?
21:31:08  mu
21:31:15  related: C# won't let me say if(object_reference), because null cannot be converted to bool it sez
21:31:36  I'd like to be able to answer that, but well, when working on databases and data migration, well, you need to come up with something else
21:31:46  i'd like if(wim)d;
21:31:56  dim: SQL's three-value booleans don't go well with almost anything
21:32:13  that's quite true actually yeah
21:32:23  dim: use :false, :true and :null
21:32:26  yeah
21:32:31  keywords are the way to go
21:32:34  see also: JSON
21:32:48  stassats: that's easy. the problem is when you're not mastering where the nil comes from and that's all you have to work with
21:32:58  but well it's solved already, mind you
21:33:14  (I mean in pgloader I have solutions for that --- out of band context mainly)
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21:33:49  mathrick: thing is that without NULL in SQL we wouldn't have OUTER JOINs and those are quite useful
21:34:02  then tell me about standards and clean semantics
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21:44:11  dim: oh, I'm not saying there aren't reasons for SQL's boolean logic, or that it isn't self-consistent. It just doesn't mesh with anything that wasn't designed to mesh with it
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21:44:50  Python has a None thingy that can be useful there
21:44:50  ternary computers?
21:45:14  None in Python can be of any type, as nil in CL and NULL in SQL
21:45:41  but then it's not quite the same thing as NULL but I can't remember about the details now, I'm slowly forgetting it all about python it seems
21:45:42  nil can be of any type?
21:45:59  ok I need to learn more about CL type system ;-)
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21:46:29  nil is one and only
21:46:32  actually you need to say (or type null) if you want it to mean "a nullable value of TYPE"
21:46:57  (typep nil t) is still true
21:47:14  (typep anything t) is true
21:47:21  by definition, because it's t
21:47:24  nil is an empty type
21:47:35  nil the symbol is of the NULL type
21:48:21  mathrick: (typep nil anything) is also true
21:48:44  you mean subtypep?
21:49:02  i did
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21:49:42  i just imagined "sub" there
21:50:08  ok good night (or whatever suits your TZ) guys!
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21:52:18  night
21:53:28  but what is the type of (loop)? (typep (loop) t) doesn't say anything
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22:04:44  CL doesn't have None, it has (values).
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22:12:31  nobody likes to lose specially people who is not used to
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22:25:13  Hi, I'm trying to run a lisp (sbcl) program from a shellscript and pass it some arguments. I'd like to be able to write "./foo arg" on the shell. Atm I've got "sbcl --script foo.lisp" in my .sh script. How do I pass sbcl parameters now?
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22:36:17  in your opinion are the jews responsible for the evil in the world?
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23:10:18 *JuanDaugherty* wonders what part of the channel pop are bona fide trolls
23:13:53  leo_33: Hitler was pretty evil.
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23:15:31  t
23:15:57  tho he knew he was not alone!
23:16:00  lol
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23:19:16  Hi
23:20:15  I've a problem with programming in Common Lisp
23:21:29  could someone help me?
23:21:36  what's the problem?
23:22:30  I learn common lisp and I tried to compile a function with a &rest parameter
23:22:41  and then I got a error
23:22:54  paste.lisp.org with the code and the error would help.
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23:23:46  ok
23:24:43  DeusExMachina: perhaps reading the error message would help?
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23:27:40  it didn't help me much
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23:29:21  something with handling of types
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23:37:14  If you copied the error message here we could explain it to you.
23:38:35  Yes, we all would like to see it.
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23:38:44  So we could all have a chance helping you.
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23:39:59    warning:
23:40:00      Derived type of VALUES is
23:40:00        (VALUES LIST &OPTIONAL),
23:40:00      conflicting with its asserted type
23:40:00        NUMBER.
23:40:00      See also:
23:40:00        SBCL Manual, Handling of Types [:node]
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23:40:01      ==>
23:40:01        (+ (+ X Y) VALUES)
23:40:02      
23:40:02  Compilation failed.
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23:40:42  It says you can't add a number to a list, and that values, which i'm guessing is your &rest argument, is a list.
23:40:47  use paste.lisp.org for long pastes.
23:40:56  So values is a list, but you pass it to + which expects a number.
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23:43:04  how can I fix that?
23:43:14  DeusExMachina: Now, try in C++: char* a="abc"+2; and see what kind of error C++ compilers give you ;-)
23:43:21  DeusExMachina: by NOT adding lists to numbers.
23:44:24  "fix that" doesn't mean much.  What do you want to do?
23:46:03  how can I give a function a independent number of arguments to operate with?
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23:46:19  &rest.
23:46:20  not independent, but variable.
23:46:27  you can do that with APPLY.
23:46:29  clhs apply
23:46:30  http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_apply.htm
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23:48:22  (apply (function +) x y values)
23:48:49  Since the function + is variadic, you can pass it a variable number of arguments, not just 2.
23:50:16  I thanks
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23:50:24  The function APPLY is variadic too.
23:50:37  That's why we can pass x and y before the list of remaining arguments.
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00:00:10  hi
00:00:16  how's things ?
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01:44:43  My reader is having problems with the symbol '|:|   - is this an allowed symbol?  SBCL accepts it.
01:45:29  My reader treats the ':' in this case as a package marker.
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01:46:49  In clhs 2.3.5 it looks like any token containing colons interprets the colons as package markers.
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01:50:53  ECL and SBCL accept tokens like '|abc:def| and don't interpret them as 'def in the package "abc".  But my reading of CLHS 2.3.5 says that they should - what gives?
01:51:27 *drmeister* knows that it's his understanding that will give but how?
01:51:50 <|3b|> clhs 2.3.5
01:51:51  Valid Patterns for Tokens: http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/02_ce.htm
01:52:24  Yes - I'm reading that: ppppp:xxxxx        an external symbol in the ppppp package
01:53:06  If I type '|abc:def|   isn't abc:def a token?
01:54:04  Reading CLHS 2.2 says that at step 6 if you hit a multiple escape character "|
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01:54:56  then you start a token and in step 8 when you hit another one then you stop and pass the token to step 10 to interpret the token.
01:55:35 <|3b|> clhs 2.2
01:55:35  Reader Algorithm: http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/02_b.htm
01:56:02 <|3b|> ^ in 9, escaped characters are treated as if their "only constituent trait is alphabetic"
01:56:12  Oh.
01:56:15 <|3b|> so the "package marker" trait is removed from #\:
01:56:26  Hang on - let me check that
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01:57:07 <|3b|> clhs 2.1.4.2
01:57:07  Constituent Traits: http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/02_adb.htm
01:57:50  So that's what that means - I remember wondering about that when I implemented this a year ago.
01:59:20  Hmmm, how am I going to implement that then - I have to store some metadata with the characters.
01:59:53  Currently I accumulate the ascii characters in an C++ stringstream - I'll need to do something else.
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02:00:55  Thank you - I have reached a new level of enlightenment.
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02:45:55  How does CL collect text "piped" to it from the output of another program?
02:46:25  program1 | my_lisp_program.lisp
02:49:42 *|3b|* would expect it to be available from *standard-input*
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02:57:42  Ryan_Burnside: most likely *standard-input* but it's not defined by the specification (since unix isn't assumed in the spec)
02:59:16  I see, essentially I'm writing a sort of plotting program. It will recieve commands from any programming language and will parse them using newline as the tokenizer.
02:59:17  Also note that at least one implementation (ccl) sends *error-output* to stdout not stderr
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03:01:43  That's unfortunate.
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03:05:32  Darn, I was hoping for something consistant...
03:05:41  Looks like it is different by vendor and also OS.
03:07:45  *posix-argv* for sbcl...
03:12:34 *|3b|* would expect that to be something completely different
03:13:01  Seems to be working...
03:13:45 <|3b|> argv should be command-line arguments, not stdin
03:13:48  sbcl --script my name is fred will pass the four strings "my" "name" "is" "fred" to the program
03:14:20  Ryan_Burnside: that has nothing to do with pipes
03:14:26  Ryan_Burnside: That's not piping, you know?
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03:16:01  CLON is the overengineered solution for command-line-arguments and ITA had a much simpler one
03:16:08  I think it was called command-line-arguments
03:17:37  actually you're right
03:17:48  I got piping confused with commandline parameters.
03:17:54  I've been up too long I think...
03:19:32  Ryan_Burnside: http://pastebin.kde.org/pdy4vaxwi/vxzvtw
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03:23:01  thanks didi
03:23:05  That works.
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03:32:51  I've already made such a program in Python. Some languages simply don't have a display library so I let them pipe commands like line, circle etc to a LTK client which displays them.
03:34:12  It would be awesome if I could allow real time interaction but for now it is simply visulization. Commands like l 12 34 465 234 will produce a line from (12, 34) to (465 234).
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03:34:44  Good morning everyone.
03:34:57  mornin
03:35:10  Ryan_Burnside: Consider working directly from the REPL. It's a very nice environment.
03:35:10  Good evening (9:35) :)
03:36:04  didi, I usually do via Emacs 'slime mode. Not sure how to pipe test data to it from other languages for this project though...
03:36:26  Ryan_Burnside: You can run external process in SBCL.
03:36:33  Oh?
03:36:35  Ryan_Burnside: Search for `run-program'.
03:37:14  Ryan_Burnside: More specifically, `sb-ext:run-program'.
03:38:54  or external-program for some portability
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03:39:21  So, this allows me to actually simulate stream input from within the REPL? Pretty sweet!
03:39:45  I could test my drawing commands!
03:39:56  Rather than having to use stuff like echo.
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03:57:49  macroexpand-dammit reverted! oh thank god
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04:22:14  dim: thanks, i'm gonna try
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04:24:45  dim: http://paste.lisp.org/display/139319#6
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04:34:34  hi guys. i am just doing a bit of animation.  it is done via a main-loop function and is started in a new thread as you can see here: http://paste.lisp.org/display/139324
04:35:22  what can i add to the threading mechanism / start function to trap errors and let me continue executing the main-loop function in the thread?
04:36:15  holycow: "errors" like in conditions?
04:37:07  typically it is a syntax error as i am playing with live coding.  i would like to tell the running program to ignore the error and continue as before until i can fix it and C-c again
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04:45:15  holycow: Maybe something like , but I would wait for more experienced people to chip in.
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04:46:28  that looks reasonable.  thank you for the suggestion.  googling various options, that helps
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05:05:44 <|3b|> holycow: (with-simple-restart (continue "continue") (do-stuff-that-might-error))
05:07:22 <|3b|> wrap that around calls to function to draw a frame, or to handle input, etc
05:07:41  aha!
05:08:12  danke
05:08:33 <|3b|> might need to be careful with leaving things in bad state though, for example by using unwind-protect
05:10:12  coolness ... noted.
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05:20:34  thanks for the help, bbl
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07:48:08  Greetings.
07:48:22  hello hitecnologys
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07:50:11  What would be the correct expansion of (defun test (x) (+ x 10)) if we didn't have any handy macros like DEFUN, ', # or even SETF(Q)?
07:51:28  hitecnologys: Not sure what you are asking.  If you don't have the macro DEFUN then (defun test (...)...) will not expand at all.
07:51:40  beach: yeah, I just realized that.
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07:52:56  I mean what would be correct alternative to this expression if we didn't have any such macros.
07:54:20  hitecnologys: Approximately: (funcall (function (setf fdefinition)) (lambda (x) (+ x 10)) 'test)
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07:55:11  hitecnologys: Notice that SETF in this form is not a macro, but part of the name of the function (SETF FDEFINITION).
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07:56:07  beach: so, fdefintion is like symbol-function but accessor?
07:56:52  hitecnologys: Yes.  You can think of symbol-function as a leftover from a time when function names could be only symbols.
07:57:11  Er, no to your question.
07:57:23  Both symbol-function and fdefintion are accessors.
07:57:30  In that both can be used with SETF.
07:58:46  The difference is that SYMBOL-FUNCTION and (SETF SYMBOL-FUNCTION) can take only symbols as function names, whereas FDEFINTION and (SETF FDEFINTION) can take symbols and also names in form of (SETF )
07:59:21  beach: cool, thanks.
07:59:25  Sure.
07:59:45  So, in this case you could use (SETF SYMBOL-FUNCTION) if you like.
08:00:16  (funcall (function (setf symbol-function)) (lambda (x) (+ x 10)) 'test)
08:00:58  Yeah, that's what I'm using now. Just wanted to make sure this is correct.
08:01:20  hitecnologys: How come you don't have those macros available?
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08:02:15  beach: I'm just having fun writing in insane styles: only macros, no macros, almost only CLOS, etc.
08:02:32  I see.
08:04:28  One more thing: LAMBDA is a macro, right?
08:04:34  Yes.
08:04:52  It expands to (function (lambda (...) (...)))
08:05:07  OK, thanks.
08:05:36  Notice that in the expansion, LAMBDA is no longer a macro, because FUNCTION is a special operator and it does not evaluate its argument.
08:05:56  Instead the argument is treated as a "lambda expression" which is just Lisp data.
08:06:02  I see.
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08:27:13  Hi. Is it a way to jump to source code window for current frame from SLIME debugger?
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08:27:52  any keys combination?
08:28:17  v
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08:29:51  C-h m describes all available keys in the current buffer
08:30:21  STilda: Did `v' work for you?
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08:34:57  it only shows buffer but does not make it active. I want it to put my cursor there so I can edit it.
08:35:22  `v' and then C-x o?
08:37:16  hm, thanks, this seems to work
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08:37:56  STilda: You might want to compile with (debug 3) to get a precise location.
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08:40:11  C-u C-c C-c  compiles with maximum debugging features, I think.
08:40:11  that is something I have to try, thanks
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08:41:28  When I press "s" to make a step in debugger I get "Evaluation aborted on NIL". What is that? And what is actually expected from that "s"?
08:42:12  Is it possible to jump into function call, (like I used to do in C++ debuggers)?
08:44:10  STilda: If you evaluate your expression with (step ) that is one of the choices.
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08:48:56  STilda: `s' is not available in all Lisp implementations.  I am guessing you are using an implementation that does not support it.
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08:55:48  i still don't get why wxmaxima gets kde to crash.....
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08:57:33  I use SBCL
08:58:16  STilda: you can forget about the stepper then
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09:00:34  stassats: why?
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09:01:05  Debugger is not very useful with SBCL. So it's just reading the code and maybe printing some values at certain points.
09:01:06  C-u C-c C-c gives me something
09:01:23  hitecnologys: because it's useless
09:01:30  I can step here
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09:01:38  stassats: what should I use then?
09:02:04  Reader macro #% to help printing values: http://paste.lisp.org/display/139325
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09:02:41  hitecnologys: whatever you want
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09:03:24  stassats: whatever but not stepping?
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09:04:05  It is possible to step with SBCL if you evaluate the expression with (STEP )
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09:04:10  I think SBCL's stepper jumps to "strange" places and the debugger shows "strange" SBCL internals. Not very useful.
09:04:53  Ah, that's the reason? Internals?
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09:06:18  not the internals, because it's just no good
09:07:03  stassats: Is someone working on improving it?
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09:07:24  I can step to next form but not in and out. After recompiling with -u C-c C-c.
09:07:34  there was a GSOC student working on the interpreter, which may indirectly make stepping better
09:07:44  Ok, which iomplementation supports stepping better?
09:07:56  do you really need stepping?
09:08:02  STilda: the SLIME manual says CMUCL.
09:08:40  and cmucl is not something you will see recommended
09:09:05  ok
09:09:16  many people use successfully SBCL and other implementations without stepping
09:10:00  lisp is not really conducive towards stepping, due to macros
09:11:13  you have many tools at your disposal, the debugger inspector, TRACE, BREAK, printing values, considering that you don't need to recompile the whole program to insert a print statement
09:12:07  and the most useful debugging tool: thinking hard
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09:13:04 *hitecnologys* agrees with stassats
09:13:48 *beach* uses all those tools, but still misses stepping. 
09:14:34 *easye* missing stepping out, too.
09:14:51  One tool for exploring the thinking.
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09:16:09  Small functions or other units help debugging too. They easier to test individually.
09:17:08  dtw:  yeah.  I always end up "breaking out as DEFUN/DEFMACRO" the LABELS/ FLET forms.
09:17:29  It would be useful to develop some elisp that would semi-automatically do this sort of "Refactoring"
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09:18:17  Luckily, TRACE more or less takes care of the questions I need answered by STEP.
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09:18:49  And TRACE is a pretty simple macro so it seems to be universally implemented.
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09:19:19  easye: yeah, I always wanted to write elisp script that would translate labels/flet into defun/defmacro. But I'm too lazy to do this.
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09:20:09  hitecnologys: right.  But the mistakes that crop up in transcriptions have probably turned out to cost me more time over the years.
09:20:59 *easye* is a big fan of assessing what the hipsters call "technical debt" for such choices.
09:21:56  Of course, that also involves "thinking hard", as opposed to "hardly thinking".
09:22:11  easye: anyway, somebody (not as lazy as I am) definitely should write kit of refactoring scripts for Emacs.
09:22:25  QUestion:  why does it have to be elisp?
09:22:44  Not that that is much of a problem now that Emacs has lexical closures.
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09:23:28 *beach* needs to read up on recent improvements in Emacs Lisp.
09:23:28  I find code between Common and Emacs Lisps to be quite portable these days.
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09:24:35  once i finish writing my new IDE, it can be CL, no more pesky elisp
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09:25:01  stassats: Are you actually working on something like that?
09:25:02  and it already uses a real CL parser, instead of regexps
09:25:05  stassats: how much work have you already done? 50%?
09:25:12  hitecnologys: 1.25%
09:25:21  stassats: not much...
09:25:40  stassats: where can I get sources or something like that?
09:25:41  stassats: Do you have a roadmap?
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09:26:04  beach: step a) make it do what slime does b) make it better than slime
09:26:15  Fair enough! :)
09:26:43  i have a plan to start actually using it by the end of the year
09:26:49  can't do much if you're not using it
09:27:07  Right.
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09:30:37  Once it starts being useful maybe it also gathers more developers. (?) Good luck!
09:32:40  hitecnologys: it's on github, but you can't do much with it
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09:33:57  stassats: I just want to take a quick look and play with it a bit
09:34:23  stassats: qt-ide, right?
09:34:30  probably
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09:52:15  H4ns: ok another stupidity from me. but I didn't have the sequence created here in my test case, I need to understand why not too
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09:59:04  ok the casting rules are defeated by your usage of a bigint(20) auto_increment, going to fix that also, that should just be a new default casting rule or two, I only got integer auto_increment till now
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10:05:19  H4ns: both bugs fixed now, thanks again for your testing!
10:05:58  (one of them prevented my local test case from exercising the other...)
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10:25:12  btw, does anybody work here in object recognition area? (lisp project)
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10:29:50  STilda: what do you mean by object recognition?
10:30:25  can say whether it's a picture of a cat or a dag
10:31:39  Ah, that object recognition.
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10:36:08  yes, but I usually use this term to refer to recognition/identification of signals of any nature (audio, visual, ...)
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12:58:18  If I write without macros at all, can format be counted as violation of rules? What should I use instead then?
12:58:31  hitecnologys: What rules?
12:58:39  loke_erc: "no macros"
12:58:41  I've never heard of any rules that forbit macros?
12:58:49  I'm just having fun.
12:59:10  hitecnologys: Well if you're the one setting the rules, it's your descision.
12:59:42  However, if you're just sparking a conversation, I'd argue that FORMAT control strings have nothing to do with macros
13:00:35  That was the question: is there something that is not macro and that I can use instead of format.
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13:02:53  So, there's only print and concatenate, right?
13:04:03 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-144-172.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
13:04:27  For what?
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13:04:52  As a replacement for format.
13:05:33  There are also the sequence and vector functions than handle strings.
13:06:26  Character streams are useful too.
13:06:57  Hm, OK, I'll look into that. Thanks.
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13:09:08  Perhaps FORMAT is not fast enough in some cases. Generic sequence functions probably perform better.
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13:11:06  Maybe, but I never saw such programs where format is not fast enough.
13:11:34  you can use C for such things
13:12:24  tachyoniz: no, only Lisp is allowed. Using C is cheating.
13:15:17  format isn't a macro
13:15:28  Once I timed my DECIMALS package with "clever" FORMAT vs. "dump" CONCATENATE (etc.) implementation. In CLISP interpreted code the FORMAT implemantation was about ten times slower. In SBCL there was some difference too. Maybe it counts in some cases.
13:15:48  bhyde: then why I got errors if format string is wrong when it compiles?
13:16:37  Maybe it's a literal string that the compiler can check?
13:16:51  format seems like an good target for compiler macros
13:17:20  So, is it macro or not?
13:17:37  clhs format
13:17:37  http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_format.htm
13:17:47  Format? It's not a macro, no
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13:20:22  format is not a macro.  implementations are allowed to do what every they damn well please to make life better.  compiler macros provide an easy way to refine exactly how a form is handled.  so some implementations include a compiler macro for format which can then do some syntax checking and possibly rewrite the form into something more raw.
13:21:03  I see.
13:21:22  Thanks for explanation.
13:22:25  hitecnologys: in sbcl, it's a warning, not an error
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13:23:14  same with (+ 'a 42)
13:23:29  or (cons t)
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13:24:01  Xach: so, it only says that something may be wrong, but not that something is wrong?
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13:26:36  hitecnologys: there aren't very coherent norms about what compiler warnings v.s. errors mean across common lisp implementations.  sometimes a warning is sufficiently serious that you'd better fix it; but since we generally want to be able to engage in rapid interactive development we like to have the program compile and be able to run it inspire of warnings  which we will probably fix before we enter the land of nod
13:27:14  that said compiler errors tend to mean "i was unable to create something for you to try and run, sorry."
13:27:41  I see.
13:28:44  while warnings mean "in the opinion of the compiler authors you really ought to resolve this warning before you get paid for this work"  and compiler authors opinions vary
13:29:00  hitecnologys: it is giving you a strong clue that running what you just compiled will land you in the debugger.
13:29:08  what you do with that clue is your own responsibility
13:30:01  OK, got it.
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13:39:58  Yes, it's easy to recognize a cat from a dog: kick it.  If it goes woof and bites you it's a dog, if it goes miaou and scratch you it's a cat.
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13:41:11  hitecnologys: "without macro" could be interpreted as without reader macro, without macros and without compiler macros.
13:41:27  hitecnologys: without reader macros, you can't read (+ 1 2). Since #\( is a reader macro.
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13:42:07  pjb: yeah, but that's impossible to write then so I allowed only basic stuff.
13:42:24  hitecnologys: you don't control what's a compiler macro: any function (in CL or not) can have a compiler macro defined.  Particularly, CL:FORMAT probably has a compiler macro defined, since there's the CL:FORMATTER function defined specially to help that.
13:42:44  hitecnologys: it would be much easier to just define defmacro!
13:42:58  pjb: that's exactly why I try not to use this kind of functions.
13:43:04  It's easy to write a lisp macro system, it' takes half page.
13:43:11  pjb: how can I define defmacro?
13:43:29  Just like defun.
13:43:50  But expanding to a (setf macro-function) instead of (setf fdefinition).
13:44:00  (and with a different handling of the lambda-list).
13:44:22 <|3b|> you can reliably use format without a compiler macro, just declare/declaim it notinline
13:44:29  pjb: so, there's some sort of basic stuff that compiler provides for such things?
13:44:30  hitecnologys: and finally, any special operator can be defined as a macro by the implementation, so you should also remove them.
13:46:00  pjb: like let and stuff?
13:46:01 <|3b|> though any compiler macro on a function in CL package should be equivalent to the function aside from performance (should be true of any sane compiler macro for that matter)
13:46:03  Yes, you'd have to declare notinline all the CL functions.
13:46:08  hitecnologys: yes.
13:46:27  hitecnologys: so again, "no macro" is quite an artificial and arbitrary criteria.
13:46:38  Hm.
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13:46:59  On the other hand, any macro in the CL package can be implemented as a special operator.
13:47:13  (with still a macro-function defined, however).
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13:47:52 <|3b|> you could also just write a codewalker and expand all the macros in the code you would write if you were using macros, until you just have functions and special operators
13:47:53  hitecnologys: perhaps the best would be to define a MYLIST package from which you could export only the operators you want to use.
13:48:11  or indeed, as |3b| says.
13:48:13 <|3b|> then pretend you wrote it by hand that way
13:49:03  That's not interesting. Codewalker-expander sounds trivial.
13:49:12 <|3b|> not quite trivial
13:52:07  brb
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15:51:00  dim: thanks for the fix.  now it seems to be able to convert the table, but it hangs at the end, apparently doing nothing.  the log file is empty.
15:51:24  dim: i'll try the whole database again
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15:56:08  wow, cool ;-) did you try with the option "schema only"?
15:56:23  no.  should i?  how do i specify the option?
15:56:35  i ran into a new error now, want to see it?
15:56:39  sure
15:56:57    MySQL error: "View 'goeuro.seo_domain_url_view' references invalid table(s) or column(s) or function(s) or definer/invoker of view lack rights to use them" (errno = 1356).
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15:57:10  no other useful information in the output, it seems.
15:57:25  "schema only" is one of the options available in the WITH section, use it if you want to review the schema design without waiting for the data to be copied over and the indexes rebuilt, typically
15:58:07  with schema only, the process just passes
15:58:07  oh, so the introspection query I use to fetch table columns data types etc might be including views
15:58:34  I'm querying against information_schema.columns
16:01:14  ok I need to join against information_schema.tables and filter on table_type = 'BASE TABLE' apparently
16:01:52  could you try: select table_type from information_schema.tables where table_schema = 'goeuro' and table_name = 'seo_domain_url_view'; please?
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16:02:21  dim: VIEW
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16:03:02  ok and you say that the schema only works well so I should maybe only skip views in the data section
16:03:33  no. ok, filtering views out
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16:07:37  ok so filtering out was easy I'm going to push that now
16:07:45  and I need to fix views
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16:08:53  (views, on update current_timestamp, later I will have to do something about triggers too, and some more I'm not thinking about now)
16:09:22  seems like a never ending task, congratulations! :)
16:10:12  pushed a fix so that VIEWs are not taken into account at all
16:10:16  yeah never ending
16:10:43  running
16:11:17  my goal is to have a product that works well enough to solve maybe 70% of the cases around with ease and success and flexibility, so that I can find sponsoring for delivering the remaining 30% or the part some people are interested enough to sponsor me
16:11:31  well classic Open Source paid work I guess
16:11:55  maybe I should just continue doing it by hand and invoicing in between a week and 2 months each time
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16:16:45  would anybody be willing to help me with an implementation of BFS in lisp?  i understand the concept clearly and have done it in other languages, but very new to lisp and i feel like i'm making it harder for myself than it needs to be
16:18:27  paste the code you have, ask questions
16:18:37  paste to http://paste.lisp.org
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16:21:27  it's a lot of code.  but the relevant portion is (defun bfs ......) from here:
16:21:28  http://pastebin.com/f4y05Qej
16:21:51  defparameter is not to be used from inside a function
16:21:52  sorry, should i repaste to paste.lisp.org instead?
16:22:00  no, since you've already pasted
16:22:13  so what's preferable to defparameter?
16:22:42  i'm not clear what you're using it for
16:23:01  you mean the 8-puzzle part, or the breadth-first search part, or why i'm using defparameter?
16:23:14  defparameter
16:23:30  it's really wrong to use it not at the top-level
16:23:36  to have local variables, use LET
16:23:50  to change values of local variables introduced by LET, use SETF
16:24:06  okay... that just seemed kind of cumbersome because then everything after that local variable declaration has to be wrapped in another ()
16:24:40  (that's the reason i wasn't doing that in the first place; setparameter just seemed more convenient)
16:24:59  but like i said, this is literally the first two days i've ever written lisp, so i really have no idea what's good and bad style
16:25:08  you're trying to bring conventions of some other languages to lisp, you're going to have very bad time learning it that way
16:25:22  i'm having a bad time learning it every way =(
16:25:25  haha
16:25:37  are you reading a book?
16:25:45  minion: please tell soapScum about PCL
16:25:45  soapScum: please see PCL: pcl-book: "Practical Common Lisp", an introduction to Common Lisp by Peter Seibel, available at http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/ and in dead-tree form from Apress (as of 11 April 2005).
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16:26:21  no, don't have any books available.  instructor just said, "here's lisp.  it only uses lists.  make BFS"
16:26:47  ah, the classic way of turning people away from lisp
16:26:49  so lots of stackE and google...
16:26:57  dim: http://paste.lisp.org/display/139319#7
16:27:00  by teachers who don't know lisp themselves
16:27:02  instructor told you to use lisp? oh daer
16:27:20  H4ns: check your PostgreSQL logs, data error expected
16:27:39  soapScum: lisp doesn't only use lists
16:27:51  in fact, many programs don't use lists at all
16:27:52  as we're using the zero-dates-to-null function on dates, I expect something such as 0000-12-04 or 2013-10-00
16:27:56  yeah, must use lisp.  i actually solved it in python just to make sure the ideas were clear, but have to turn in lisp
16:28:10  your instructor is incredibly wrong, no wonder you're having trouble
16:28:27  haha, he is (like me) not a LISP guy at all
16:28:33  dim: does not look as if there are dates in that table, but let me see
16:28:50  oh maybe it's a data error with another data type, that's new and exciting!
16:28:59  dim: ERROR:  invalid input syntax for type point: "{0,0,0,0,1,1,0,0,0,100,176,226,84,107,103,70,64,21,2,185,196,145,167,36,64}"
16:28:59  (well, no. sort of.)
16:29:02  dim: :D
16:29:07  kill instructor lol
16:29:19  that's not a point in PostgreSQL slang for sure
16:29:26  maybe a line or a polygon?
16:29:26  soapScum: you can read the first 13 chapters of PCL, it won't take much time
16:29:34  he's nice, just insists on lisp.
16:29:34  dim: it is a point in mysql
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16:29:58  just lisp or common lisp?
16:29:59  do you happen to know which data type from http://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.3/static/datatype.html you would use for converting that one?
16:30:27  by 13 pages do you mean Introduction -->  Beyond Lists ?
16:30:29  i'd say "point"
16:30:33  sorry, Common Lisp
16:30:39  soapScum: yep
16:30:48  yeah well then you better buy a gun or so
16:31:04  i think i'm missing something in the lisp culture here -- is CLISP not well liked?
16:31:12  H4ns: it looks more like a multipoint maybe? a point is PostgreSQL is (long,lat), so e.g. (12.2,18.3)
16:31:19  soapScum: this channel is in fact about Common Lisp
16:31:23  dim: it is just a point, really
16:31:24  is any lang well liked?
16:31:29  python?
16:31:40  H4ns: ok I need to find how to read its representation then
16:31:41  not from what i heard
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16:31:52  dim: not that the mysql client can deal with it :D
16:31:52  soapScum: CLISP is not how Common Lisp abbreviated
16:32:03  stassats: so what should i use instead?
16:32:05  the {0,0,0,0,1,1,0,0,0,100,176,226,84,107,103,70,64,21,2,185,196,145,167,36,64} I don't know how to give that any sense
16:32:08  clisp is an implementation of common lisp, cl is the shorthand
16:32:19  dim: i'd guess that it is just two floats
16:32:23  *nod noted
16:32:34  or just "lisp" when it's clear that the subject is indeed common lisp
16:32:49  scheme is a lisp too and newlisp
16:32:53  maybe we need to use some output function to have a PostgreSQL compatible representation?
16:32:59  anyway: other than not using defparameter
16:32:59  newlisp is not a lisp
16:33:07  and like there are a bunch of other lisp bsed langs out there
16:33:09  can you see anything else that i am clearly making much too hard on myself
16:33:14  or should i explain what i'm trying to do here more
16:33:15  dim: let me check whether i can find it out.  it is awesome how mysql prints garbage for these columns by default
16:33:27  agreed, thanks
16:33:31  while (equalp 1 1) is silly
16:33:35  hahaha
16:33:36  i know
16:33:52  you can just delete it, it'll do the same thing
16:33:56  dim: astext(latlon) works and yields stuff like POINT(48.5513589 7.6926827)
16:34:05  alright
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16:34:15  wow. that's more like what we want indeed
16:34:22  and PROGN is not necessary after DO
16:34:24  i dont really know any good intro for cl
16:34:40  Code_Man: maybe then can you stop "helping"?
16:34:48  ok
16:35:04  oh, i thought "do" would only take one expression after it unless you had progn
16:35:07  is that not the case?
16:35:15  no, it has an implicit progn
16:35:16  ok I will code that later, add a astext(column) for POINT data type and a transformation function to go from POINT(48.5513589 7.6926827) to (48.5513589,7.6926827)
16:35:23  okay
16:35:25  but, if you delete your while, you don't actually need DO at all
16:35:45  so it'd just be:
16:35:52  that looks easier than figuring out the details of the raw representation, maybe
16:35:52  dim: nice, thanks.  let me know when i should test it.
16:35:54  (loop while     (exp1)  (exp2)  )
16:36:00  no, no while at all
16:36:05  dim: i'm guessing that it is just two ieee floats
16:36:05  (loop (form1) (form2))
16:36:09  gotcha
16:36:10  okay
16:36:18  but i don't see any recursive calls to bsf?
16:36:22  I don't know how to read ieee floats in that for,at
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16:36:38  are you using lists instead of stack?
16:36:44  dim: in format?
16:36:58  so the goal i was aiming for is something like a queue, or a heap
16:37:10  (when i wrote it in python, i would use heap.push and heap.pop, not sure if you're familiar at all)
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16:37:35  I mean how {0,0,0,0,1,1,0,0,0,100,176,226,84,107,103,70,64,21,2,185,196,145,167,36,64} is read as a couple of floats?
16:37:38  function calls give you that for free
16:37:44  but i'm not familiar with using data structures in lisp (just started yesterday...)
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16:37:58  so i don't know which one is best
16:38:05  dim: there is the ieee-floats package that might help.
16:38:18  dim: but then, it might be something else.  using astext is probably safer
16:38:40  it seems to me that asking MySQL to do that job is safer
16:38:52  I already am using quite strange queries actually, so might as well add that
16:38:55  dim: i've just counted, it seems that there are 26 elements in the array, which does not support my thesis
16:39:02  soapScum: if you want to learn something, you better read those chapters
16:39:15  stassats:  i will definitely do that
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16:39:29  (cl-mysql output doesn't allow to differenciate in between empty string and null in most cases so that I query against text-column, text-column is null and then process nulls in the code)
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16:39:47  and stack is not really used for bfs, i was thinking about dfs
16:40:12  H4ns: oh ok, so astext it is then. and maybe I will register more types using that function than just POINT too, we'll see
16:40:43  stassats:  just looking through the page titles, i don't seem to see anything about stack/heap/queueing.  do you know a good source to learn more about that?
16:40:46  I will work on that after kids are asleep tonight, see you later (ETA 10pm Paris time, if you're around) ;-)
16:40:59  soapScum: you can just use lists
16:41:07  dim: not entirely unlikely, although i might fall asleep before that.
16:41:11  dim: thanks!
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16:41:25  there's always tomorrow ;-)
16:41:32  stassats: so for BFS, just nconc things to the end of the list and "pop" them from the front of the list, right
16:41:52  my pleasure, I prefer having this debugging session with you rather than most of my customers ;-)
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16:42:28  dim: for me, it is just vendetta
16:42:34  soapScum: right, you don't need to care about performance yet
16:42:35  dim: i hate mysql. :D
16:42:49  I'm quite happy to be supporting that kind of vendetta too ;-)
16:43:28  soapScum: and you don't use global variables to pass arguments into a function
16:43:38  you use function parameters for that
16:43:53  stassats: okay
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16:44:09  for views, I might have to parse the MySQL SQL slang, or do something quick and dirty... I think I'll be fixing POINT first
16:44:17  stassats: and what's the easiest way to grab AND remove the first element of a list?  like a "pop" fxn in other languages, if that exists here
16:44:28  clhs pop
16:44:28  http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/m_pop.htm
16:45:55  stassats: okay, and so you're saying if i want to consider that first element, then i should say (let currentNode ((pop frontier))   (exp1) (exp2) (exp...)) ?
16:46:17  dim: views are not all that important to me right now.
16:46:20  that's not really how let works
16:46:35  it's (let ((current-node (pop list-of-nodes))) ...)
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16:46:46  dim: most of our app does not depend on them, so if i had the tables converted, i could try running against postgres just for laughts.
16:46:49  laughs
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16:47:36  stassats:  i thought it just bound the local variable(s) that you wanted and then used those values for the forms following that?
16:48:11  it does, but you got the syntax wrong
16:49:36  stassats: mmm... so how would it actually look in that circumstance?
16:49:49  how i just showed
16:50:23  oh, i missed that line, my fault
16:51:09  oh, sorry, yes, i see exactly what i did
16:51:57  stassats: and just to make sure, throughout the rest of those expressions, list-of-nodes will be "missing" that first value, right?
16:52:56  the value of current-node is only available inside the body of let
16:53:52  right, but if i pop again from list-of-nodes inside that let, then it will give me a different node to consider now.  is that correct?
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16:54:56  pop will modify the list-of-nodes variable
16:55:12  okay, great.  thanks very much for all of your help
16:55:46  pop is short for (prog1 (car list-of-nodes) (setf list-of-nodes (cdr list-of-nodes)))
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18:23:38  H4ns: also I would guess that the 70% works out of the box would be easier to argue with having to rewrite views (some of the SQL are not compatible anyways so a fully automatic system is migthy complex to implement) than not support POINT datatype
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18:59:50  ok works
19:00:07  works in the sense that i could pull?
19:00:11  I guess I will then have to do something similar for the other geometry types
19:00:17  I'm reviewing the commit
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19:00:38  I have a working test case with a MySQL table using the Point data type tho, so just a minute;-)
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19:01:22  ok pushed, your turn
19:02:08  running
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19:06:20  it's never been running that long before... I think
19:06:47  it just imported the position table which has previously been failing for the point column
19:06:58  nice, complete.
19:07:06  4:35 is not bad at all.
19:07:25  yeah!
19:07:26  now i need to test it with our application :(
19:07:28  :)
19:07:46  happy that you're not using lines and polygons, I suspect I will have to do the same kind of processing there
19:07:53  wondering if anyone could check my search algorithm for an 8-puzzle that's posted here http://pastebin.com/ab8zqW74 and help me with two obvious errors i can see
19:08:23  soapScum: reviewing would be easier if you'd use paste.lisp.org
19:08:27  dim: re 03-micro-optimizing-int-to-ip-address.html: 00001010 is not 34 decimal
19:08:33  will post it there, H4ns, one moment
19:09:25  isEmpty and isNotIn are not "included" in cl because they are not needed.
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19:09:55  soapScum: what are the two obvious errors that you need help with?
19:09:55  http://paste.lisp.org/display/139335
19:10:39  H4ns:  if you test (play 1), you can see the output -- basically, the moveList is collecting everything the program has ever looked at, rather than just the move list for just that board and its history
19:10:59  soapScum: and what did you do so far to find the source of the problem?
19:11:42  H4ns: tried a few different ways to try to make sure that i'm separating board histories from each other, which is why i created cNodeMoveList
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19:12:45  H4ns: and if i test (play 2), i get a type error, and i can't find where it's coming from.  if you could just explain how to trace something like that in EMACS, that would be supremely helpful.  this is the first time i've ever used it
19:13:03  flip214: I picked that image on a Google Images Search and saw that after, I need to find yet another one that looks good and is not erroneous now
19:13:27  soapScum: you can trace functions using (trace the-function)
19:13:36  soapScum: i'd advice against using nconc at all
19:13:43  soapScum: it is very easy to get it wrong.
19:13:47  H4ns:  okay, what's a better choice than nconc?
19:14:15  H4ns:  if it helps, what I'm trying to achieve it to just tack on a string with the move name onto the end of the list
19:14:38  soapScum: also, you need to indent your code better.  and learn more of cl.  for example there is cl:when, cl:unless, cl:case and more of that.  you use a very small subset  which makes it hard to understand what you really want to do.
19:15:04  dim: how about gimping the few bits around?
19:15:14  soapScum: putting the move name onto the beginning of the list would be better.
19:15:18  that's not something I know how to do
19:15:28  H4ns:  yes, i'd really like to have a better command of the language, or write this in a language i know better.  this is the first assignment i've ever done in lisp and am not allowed to choose my own language, which is why i need to ask for so much help...
19:15:32  soapScum: also, there is cl:dolist and cl:dotimes
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19:15:52  soapScum: the point probably is that you learn the language.
19:16:31  H4ns: i don't particularly think so, but the prof insists on it, and so it is.  but anyway, that's why i have very bad lisp style
19:16:47  soapScum: you need to be more specific with your questions if you want help.  just dumping a non-trivial piece of code at us and asking us to understand and fix it is not likely a good strategy.
19:17:00  soapScum: you can improve your style.
19:17:29  H4ns:  i know, i have better style in other languages i used often.  if i used lisp for more than 20 hours, i might have better style in it...
19:17:46  H4ns:  anyway, i was trying to be specific with my questions, but if that's not specific enough for you, then my fault
19:17:47  soapScum: oh, let me guess.  you started your homework too late?
19:17:54  nope, it's due more than a week from now
19:18:16  H4ns:  but i knew that, with 0 experience in lisp, i should start ASAP, and seek help early and often
19:18:30  soapScum: fine.  so here is some advice:  if you feel that you want to append something to a list, a list is not the best data structure.
19:18:44  H4ns: what's a better choice?
19:18:51  dim: it's in your inbox.
19:18:55  soapScum: if you actually _need_ the element to be added to the end of your "list", you can use an adjustable vector
19:19:22  soapScum: or, and that is what is often done in lisp, you can put the new element to the front of your list and reverse it at the end of the process.
19:19:37  soapScum: do you have an idea why this could be a good strategy?
19:20:05  H4ns:  not in particular, but i feel like it might have something to do with just using (cons firstThing secondThingWhichIsAList)
19:20:33  soapScum: it has to do something with the fact that a list is a linked data structure.
19:22:16  not like soapScum is trying to make it fast
19:22:26  stassats: true enough.
19:22:39  stassats: maybe you want to help him debug it?
19:22:48  :stassats: i would prefer to make it fast since you can end up going through pretty huge numbers of states if you extend to n puzzles
19:23:06  soapScum: does it work already?
19:23:08  but anyway, it's not incredibly important if it's hard
19:23:17  you can't make something fast if it doesn't work
19:23:34  stassats:  there's some bugs and i'm trying to figure out how to trace through it right now so that i can answer my own questions....
19:23:55  soapScum: did you try trace as i suggested?
19:23:58  stassats:  one issue is that i'm somehow not creating unique states for each puzzle board, and another is that i'm passing the wrong type to a function somewhere
19:24:01  how do you know that there is a bug?
19:24:04  H4ns:  i'm going through that currently
19:24:21  stassats: from testing the code i posted with (play 1) and (play 2)
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19:25:10  and why haven't you get rid of defparameter from inside defun yet?
19:25:39  flip214: wow, thanks a lot, it's online!
19:25:43  oh, in play, yeah, my bad on the style...  i don't think are any defparameters in the bfs call though
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19:27:41  the type error is due to (pushnew (list child) frontier)
19:27:53  do you want to push a list?
19:28:06 -!- meiji11 [~user@75.158.41.148] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]
19:28:10  and not uniqueness is because pushnew compares with EQL
19:28:17  try (pushnew .. :test #'equalp)
19:28:45  ah, okay, i think that child is already a list and so i'm actually duplicated that there...  let me test....
19:29:43  duplicating*
19:31:01  dim: thanks.
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19:31:13  well no thank you!
19:31:26  and what on earth is isNotIn and the comment? "Why is this not included in CL???"
19:31:45  and yet you're using the function from CL
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19:32:07  same with isEmpty
19:32:26  yeah, sorry, just used to pretty new languages where you can literally just type (if x not in y)
19:32:28  etc.
19:32:40  they're meant to be humorous remarks
19:32:46  isNotIn will be (not (find item collection))
19:32:58  and isEmpty will be (null x)
19:33:10  okay
19:33:13  and there's no bloody camel case in lisp, use is-empty
19:33:42  is there an actual reason for that, or just .... lisp culture?
19:33:43  and you don't need return-from
19:34:21  the symbols in CL are all upcased by default, so there will be no case
19:34:53  sure.  i just do it for readability with less space
19:34:55  your isNotIn could be written as (if (find item collection) nil t), without any return-from
19:35:31  whyDoNotYouWriteLikeThisThen?
19:35:41  because i'm talking to a person now
19:35:50  Lisp code is for a person too.
19:36:02  and-when-you-write-code-comma-who-are-you-talking-to?
19:36:20  see Xach's statement
19:36:29  i find both of them readable
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19:36:52  but camel case saves some characters and line wraps
19:36:55  i don't think it's a huge deal
19:37:16  and you're short on characters?
19:37:20  your question is reversed
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19:38:04  you're used to camel case because the other languages are useing infix notation and over there the identifier foo-bar is impossible to distinguish from (- foo bar)
19:38:10  i prefer to not word wrap when possible, and when i split my screen in emacs, with indentation, it can warp often.  but anwyay
19:38:26  in lisp you have the chance of being able to use the easiest separator of all, -, so just use it
19:38:28  wrap*
19:38:59  (format t "Explored State~C" #\linefeed) is funny too
19:39:26  thanks...
19:39:30  it could be (format t "Explored State~%") or simply (write-line "Explored State")
19:39:49  ok
19:40:14  anyhow, as i said earlier, you can't do jack without reading some proper books
19:40:36  stassats: newlisp is an old lisp from an alternate reality.  That's the only explaination that reconciliate with my reality.
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19:41:38  it looks like Postmodern fails to properly handle ErrorResponse messages when quiting the Copy-in mode, which would be why the condition is signaled too late in my code (when the next query is sent)
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19:41:54  soapScum: get this thing working, then hit up Practical Common Lisp and see how you can make it better
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19:44:43  soapScum: quick leaver!
19:44:55  Yow
19:45:02  libclang.dylib is 20MB!!?
19:45:15  so small?
19:45:33  What do you mean?  there times the size of clisp!
19:45:38  s/there/three/
19:45:44  and why #lisp?
19:46:06  and it doesn't even include a debugger!
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19:47:09  stassats: what's wrong with not?
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19:47:31   (not (find item collection))  or even:  (find item collection :test-not (function eql)) ?
19:47:41  why are you asking me?
19:47:50  Because you wrote (if something nil t)!!!
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19:48:30  so what? does it bother you? you know what bothers me? people who read things out of context
19:48:52  Yes, it bothers me that you use a IF to produce a boolean.
19:49:07  Next you'll be writing (if (eq something t) nil t).
19:50:37  pjb: Would you prefer (not (not ...)) ?\
19:50:55  pjb: next you'll be cutting single words from context
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19:53:14  bobbysmith007: [don't want to answer on reddit], it both not portable between CL and fragile, since it uses undocumented internals
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19:54:06  i do use such internals, but i track sbcl development pretty closely, so i'll be able to adapt to any changes
19:54:32  not that there are any plans on changing how strings are laid out in memory
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19:55:07  stassats: furthermore, you've advised to use FIND, and this will fail when searching for NIL. You should have advised POSITION instead.  So in a single sentence you gave TWO bad advices to the newbie!
19:55:33  pjb: i advise to stop talking to me about discussions which already ended
19:55:40  No.
19:56:09  Because the effects of your (and others) bad advices affect me, when I have to maintain code produced by the people you've given advice to!
19:56:26 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]
19:56:36  :)))
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19:58:52  trying not to overwhelm a newcomer with all the subtle differences, and avoiding pedantics, on which #lisp people get off, fuck me
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20:00:17  He's come a long way since trying to punish newbies by deleting all their files.
20:01:10  What couldn't you just write: "your isNotIn could be written as (not (position item collection)), without any return-from" ?
20:01:15  s/What/Why/
20:01:27  he did not use nil
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20:02:13  and, why do i need pjb teaching me?
20:02:17 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has left #lisp
20:02:35  Because you advise FIND when you should advise POSITION.
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20:04:08  As a newbie myself I would have used (not (member item list)) since that is what I'm literally wanting from the system inside isNotIn, is that bad?
20:04:54  nightshade427: but the argument is named collection, not list.  Member is restricted to lists. position works on sequences.  (There's no collection type properly in CL).
20:05:07  He was using lists
20:05:10  :)
20:05:19  nightshade427: this wasn't specified in the docstring of isnotin.
20:05:39  In the context of the conversation it was state he was using lists
20:05:58  Context change.  Written specifications and code doesn't.
20:06:24  I would have used (not (member item list))), would that be bad if I'm only using lists? (Honest question)
20:06:30  pjb not caring about context is the whole basis of pjbgate here
20:07:01  An important part of programming is to remove context, to write things in a context-free way.
20:07:12  bobbysmith
20:07:35  nightshade427: not if you name your parameter list, instead of collection.
20:07:53  Okay cool, was just checking (I'm a newb as well)
20:08:00  Thanks
20:08:01  nightshade427: but that's also a problem that often people use too type-specific operators.
20:08:36  Algorithms that would work as well on sequences are written too specifically for lists or simple-vectors and become useless when things change for that.
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20:15:45  interesting post by pcos on stack allocation of return values in LW
20:17:24  What's strange is that that has to go thru defstruct.
20:17:51  Why couldn't they provide a system:dynamic-extend-result declaration or something instead?
20:18:02 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
20:18:02  yes I agree
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20:21:38  how do I signal again a condition I am handling?
20:22:31 -!- zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]
20:22:39  signal
20:22:44  clhs signal
20:22:44  http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_signal.htm
20:23:23  so (handler-case (code) (condition (e) (do-something) (signal e))), right?
20:23:45  or use handler-bind and just decline to handle the condition
20:24:04  I need to handle to (do-something)
20:24:19  that's not what declining means
20:24:51  in handler-bind if you return normally from the condition handler (rather than with a non-local exit), the signal is propagated further
20:25:04  ok I need to read about that then
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20:27:24  the decision of which to use depends on which dynamic environmen you want to run the handler in. with handler-case the stack will have been unrolled to the handler-case, with handler-bind it won't have
20:28:16  so if handler-case is otherwise the right choice for you, you don't want to switch to handler-bind just to be able to decline the condition :-)
20:29:04  Or ERROR
20:29:16  SIGNAL is a NOP if there's no further handler for it.
20:30:16  seems I'm lost in the protocol handling of Postmodern here
20:30:25  not really into signaling
20:31:34  ahah, got the error I wanted, progress.
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20:36:43  Anyone using CFFI to load macports libraries?  I'm getting problems where CFFI does not seem to attend to *foreign-library-directories* when dlopen() fails.
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20:41:41  nevermind.  I see that it doesn't recurse from /opt/local/lib...
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20:55:11  .
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20:58:03  ok I found the bug in Postmodern and fixed it here! ;-)
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21:05:20  https://github.com/marijnh/Postmodern/issues/39
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23:04:57  How do I create a type specifier for a set of symbols?  Something like (member '(red green blue))?
23:05:33  If I want a defstruct slot to be limited to contain either 'red 'green or 'blue.
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23:05:51  (member red green blue)
23:06:20  drmeister, you could use my cl-algebraic-data-type library. ;)
23:06:26  (defdata color red green blue)
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23:06:50  (defstruct square (color red :type color) (width 0 :type integer)) ;)
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23:18:06  But with vanilla CL - it's (member red green blue)?
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23:19:05  yes
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23:19:20  i forgot all CL programmers are "vanilla CL programmers" and afraid of dependencies
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23:22:10  I've got special issues - each library that I import causes me some work.  I don't have asdf let alone quicklisp working yet in my implementation.
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23:23:25  I just got cl-yacc to work and that took me a couple of days - it's a good test of my implementation but I just want to get some work done.  I'm implementing the SMILES chemical language using cl-yacc.
23:24:07  what special issues?
23:24:43  That I'm using my own version of Common Lisp that's not yet completely compliant with the CL standard.
23:25:41  So, what's missing now?  Since you've integrated ecl, it should be quite complete no?
23:25:42  drmeister, is your SMILES parser supposed to be a serious thing or just a test of your implementation?
23:26:21  the reason i ask is because i don't know why you wouldn't write programs seriously/fully if you're attempting to write a serious program
23:26:28  Quadrescence: No - it's a serious thing so that I can create molecular structures by pasting SMILES code created by Chemdraw into my REPL.
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23:27:49  pjb: About half of ECL is written in C and the other half in CL.   I'm still missing about 100 CL symbols - all the BOOLE operations for instance.
23:28:15  Everything that's defined in C I have to rewrite.
23:29:06  I cheated for PATHNAME and the math stack - I copied the C files from ECL and translated them by going through them line by line to C++.  I kept the copyright notices in the files of course.
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23:30:03  drmeister, the point of your implementation was so you can interact between the C++ and Lisp world, right?
23:30:12  Yes.
23:30:28  drmeister, have you thought about how your Lisp implementation would work with C++ templates?
23:32:35  The problem whenever I talked to C++ code was never really ABI incompatibilities but the fact that it's hard to create a meaningful correspondence between the two languages.
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23:33:14  It's not one of my design goals to interoperate with C++ templates directly.  I interoperate with template instantiated code but not templates directly.  Templates are C++'s attempt to get something like CL macros.
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23:34:00  Yes, templates are compile-time things.
23:34:11  Why would you want to instantiate C++ templates from CL?
23:34:21  You would have to recompile the implementation, or a library, if you want to add a template instance.
23:34:36  drmeister: because you can easily expand macros from CL :-)
23:35:06  Especially when you have Common Lisp macros - Common Lisp macros are like poetry - C++ templates are like income tax forms.
23:35:12  drmeister: more seriously, some C++ API rely on templates.  So you cannot pass anything relevant if you cannot create your own template instances to pass to that C++ API.
23:35:38  yes that is what I mean
23:36:13  But in drmeister's case, the C++ library is fixed ;-)
23:38:10  I'll think on that - at the moment I don't see a use case where it would be necessary to instantiate C++ templates from Common Lisp.  However, with Clang it would be possible to do this but I think it would be clunky.
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23:39:23  With xlib (clx) on MacOSX while trying to connect to a ubuntu 13.4 X11, I get this error: Connection failure to X2816.0 server kuiper.lan.informatimago.com display 0: Protocol version mismatch
23:39:23  drmeister, if you want to use a generic container library whose elements are lisp objects, maybe? I'm not sure
23:39:48  You would basically have to generate source code and pass it to Clang to compile into a C++ AST.  It's not possible to create C++ AST's programmatically.   I know this because when you do source-to-source translation with the Clang libraries you do it by generating source code changes - not by editing the AST.
23:39:56  with clx-20131003-git
23:40:50  This is because the Clang C++ AST is not a tree - it's a very, very complex graph.
23:41:19  drmeister, so I guess if templates are entrenched in many C++ APIs, where does the utility come from? Is your main goal really to just have C++/CLOS classes or what?
23:43:01  Sure C++/CLOS classes is one thing - but there's also interoperating with C++ exception handling, compiling C++ literals into FASL files, interoperating with C++ classes with virtual functions - there's dozens of problems I had to solve to get CL to interoperate with C++.
23:44:09  Quadrescence: you're taking the problem from the other direction than drmeister.  drmeister has ONE specific body of C++ code he wants to use from CL.  His C++ classes are implemented as CL primitive types.
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23:45:17  I see. (I don't know a lot about drmeister's project, sorry.)
23:45:39  Quadrescence: That's ok - nobody really does yet :-)
23:45:45  I guess with such limited scope (from my perspective), it's hard to imagine the utility of a whole new implementation.
23:46:06  Now, how do we get back X11R6 on ubuntu?
23:46:51  Quadrescence: well, again, it's the wrong question.
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23:47:23  The right question to ask, is why aren't every non-CL programmers writting their own CL implementation?
23:47:40  Ie. the question of the low level of greenspunning we can see outside of the lisp circles.
23:47:47  That seems like an awful question.
23:48:00  It's not the question that's awful, it's the world outside :-)
23:48:31  Why aren't Lispers writing their own strong, static type systems? :)
23:49:06  too busy being passive aggressive on irc
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23:50:01  Quadrescence: because  strong, static type systems are wrong.
23:50:04  and useless.
23:50:55  pjb, Are they useless? They would have elimited huge classes of bugs in reams of Lisp code that I've seen.
23:51:20  Or will this argument devolve into "well if the code was written correctly, it wouldn't have been an issue"? :)
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23:58:23  I'm more pragmatic - C++ is fine for generating fast code when you want some sort of support for classes and CL is best for doing really complicated things - why not combine them?
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00:02:04  I would prefer more effort went into Lisp compiler technology to make the language more performance-expressive, and make generated code faster for macroscopic things.
00:02:42  so, JIT?
00:04:03  Maybe JIT, but that's not what I mean to imply. I more meant not spending weeks trying to optimize computing left bit rotation for a subset of fixnums.
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00:05:24  what kind of bit rotation?
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00:06:59  the ones which x86 ROR and friends instructions do?
00:07:20  Has anyone worked with cl-yacc?
00:07:40  i've used cl-yacc a bit
00:07:47  i can't think how you can express that with existing CL function so that it's compiled down to ROR
00:08:39  or you can just use sb-rotate-byte
00:12:05  robot-beethoven: I'm trying to understand it enough to get started.  My lexer returns things like (values 'aliphatic-organic :C)  and I have a production (atom (aliphatic-organic #'create-aliphatic-organic)...) Is the second value ":C" passed to the function create-aliphatic-organic?
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00:12:47  I'm just testing to see if it does now.
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00:18:39  I believe so... if I remember correctly, I've always had my lexers return their
00:18:44  "values" as strings
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00:19:24  (pulling each new string-valued token from the source text)
00:20:26  drmeister, whatever tokens get matched, the corresponding second value gets passed to your production rule
00:20:48  the tokens at that point are just an instrument to match productions. the associated values get passed along
00:21:36  Well, the production rule is just getting nil when it should be getting :C   - I'm modifying the code and checking it in SBCL.
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00:22:18  drmeister, i recall with cl-yacc i had to spend a good amount of time making sure the ordering of things was correct
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00:23:32  Do you mean ordering the productions properly?   If so - what is properly?
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00:25:21  Is there a way to seed the RANDOM function so it always returns the same sequence of numbers?
00:25:38  drmeister, or maybe the ordering issues was with my lexer. With the parser the actual elements in the production needed the right order. For example, for a list of items:   (items (item ..) (item :COMMA items ..))
00:25:50  Pixel_Outlaw: yes, use the same random state
00:25:57  Pixel_Outlaw, (defparameter *my-seed* (make-random-state))
00:26:44  then use a copy of that random state when you need to reproduce. random states can be serialized if need by via PRINT
00:28:40  drmeister, I have an example JSON lexer/parser if you want to see. (It's not feature complete though.)
00:29:10  Quadrescence: Sure - thanks!
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00:32:43  @stassats, so there is no way to hardcode a non random state, I have to generate it and reload it every time the program is run?
00:32:55  a "non random state"?
00:33:02  Pixel_Outlaw: you can save it to a file
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00:33:28  I see, I was hoping to always generate the same infinatly long sequence of items...
00:33:36  you can
00:33:42  Withouth loading external data.
00:33:43  by using the same random state each time
00:33:55  you want to reuse a random state without loading a random state, huh
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00:34:04  drmeister, I actually wasn't going to release this until it was done but whatever. Here's the landing page: https://bitbucket.org/tarballs_are_good/algebraic-json/overview
00:34:18  here's the parser: https://bitbucket.org/tarballs_are_good/algebraic-json/raw/8093f859712e40213de9baed501911828e415002/parser.lisp
00:34:51  Pixel_Outlaw: every time the program is run, its code is loaded from external data into memory
00:34:57  Thanks - I just want to look at it as an example.
00:34:58  that doesn't seem to bother you
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00:35:07  You use keywords as terminals?
00:35:12  drmeister, yeah
00:35:19  the same thing will happen with random-state if you save it into a FASL
00:35:21  That makes them stand out - nice.
00:35:52  and if you save an image, you don't need to do anything, except avoiding creating new random states
00:36:29  if you want random state to survive recompilations, save it into a source file
00:36:45  stassats, is that portably possible?
00:37:04  no
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00:37:34  drmeister: using keywords is also useful if your lexer is defined in a different package than your parser -- you don't have to export or qualify the symbols that way
00:37:37  random state and the RNG algorithms are not codified
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00:40:13  I see...
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00:40:58  oh yes, and you have to use the same version of your implementation
00:41:06  and probably the same platform
00:41:10  How do I tell sbcl to provide as much debugging info as possible in slime? I can't find my note on this.
00:41:26  drmeister: C-u C-c C-c/k
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00:42:11  for me, debugging cl-yacc stuff was always much more difficult than "normal" lisp debugging.  it usually boiled down to reasoning through the code carefully, which can get tiring if it's a complicated parser.  but maybe I was doing something wrong
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00:42:34  that has been my experience as well
00:43:00  Mine is simple right now - I'm just trying to get started.
00:43:32  It's always difficult to debug parsers - yacc and bison give me migraines.
00:43:37  drmeister, have you run the lexer manually?
00:44:13  you stated all of your terminals and the start-symbol?
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00:44:52  you're positive your second value is being propagated?
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00:45:08  Right now I just have one file that loads cl-yacc, defines a lexer, a parser and runs some tests on the lexer and parser - it's throwing a fit about a missing function ELEMENT
00:45:35  Probably because there is no function ELEMENT and my lexer returns things like (values 'ELEMENT :C)
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00:48:39  do you pass a (:terminals ('ELEMENT ...)) parameter to cl-yacc:define-parser?
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00:50:55  I just switched to your trick of making terminals keywords
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00:51:26  drmeister, this has been useful to me in the past: http://paste.lisp.org/display/139342
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00:52:12  Nice.
00:53:24  (I don't use (values-list (pop pairs)) because I wanted to return NIL NIL)
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00:58:20  Ok - there's a problem with my implementation of PEEK-CHAR - I'm peeking past the end-of-file without throwing an exception and returning glob-knows-what.
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01:04:32  I'm new to emacs (+1 year) - how do I type C-u C-c C-c/k?  Control-u letgo Control-c letgo ????
01:04:55  yes
01:05:11  but you can hold Control down for the whole sequence if you want
01:05:24  Control-(u letgo c letgo c)
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01:05:57  What's the /k for?
01:06:19  k compiles the entire file
01:06:26  c just the form your cursor is at
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01:06:47  Oh, I've been using C-c C-c for single sexps and C-c C-k for the whole file - what does the C-u prefix do?
01:07:07  probably the extra debug info you wanted ;)
01:07:24  Because when I go into the backtrace in the slime-debugger and hit "v" I still get "Cannot find source location for: # drmeister: you do not let go
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01:08:22  stassats: Let go of what?
01:08:36  he probably means control
01:08:46  place a heavy rock on the control key, type u c c
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01:10:13  Well - I'm using C-u C-c C-k to compile the whole thing - should I be able to use "v" in the slime-debugger.
01:12:34  Or C-u C-c C-c on the sexp that is giving me the problem - the backtrace says the problem is in YACC:PARSE-WITH-LEXER which I (load "yacc.lisp") - is that why I can't debug into it?
01:12:35  Cool, I can seem to use this in my code #S(RANDOM-STATE
01:12:35     #*0100111000001000011001001000110101001101001100001111000100010100)
01:12:58  Pixel_Outlaw, that is what we all have told you
01:13:24  Pixel_Outlaw, but that is not portable across implementations, different versions of the same implementation, or the same version of an implementation across different platforms
01:13:42  Sorry, it just did't click.
01:13:44  Thank you all.
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02:09:50  Anyone have a good way to error if one isn't using a particular implementation? All I can think of is using #-impl (error "Requires impl") #+impl (asdf:defsystem ..)
02:10:12  you don't need #+impl
02:11:33  Sure. Is that the best way otherwise?
02:11:57  what's wrong with this way?
02:12:38  I don't see anything wrong, but maybe there's a more idiomatic way using some wizardry in ASDF.
02:13:19  it seems like you've already spend too much time thinking about it than it's worth
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02:13:43  and avoid asdf wizardry at all costs
02:13:51  ;)
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02:26:15  Quadrescence: what exclusive feature are you going to use?
02:27:05  Denommus, generally? the implementation name
02:27:18  or do you mean "feature" in the non-*FEATURES* sense?
02:27:25  Quadrescence: I beg you pardon?
02:27:51  Quadrescence: why do you need your program to be run into only an implementation? What are you going to use from this implementation in question that isn't present in other implementations?
02:28:18  LispWorks' GP
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02:32:33  cool. A library for that would be interesting
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02:44:54  anyone have an example of feeding C functions file pointers from Lisp?  Want to redirect some C output to a place where I can see it....
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02:46:53  rpg: why don't you use pipes?
02:47:11  rpg: print to stdout and pipe it to a lisp program that reads from the stdin
02:47:53  I have a C library (cudd) that has functions for printing complex data structures (Binary Decision diagrams).  Has a function called CUDD-SET-STDOUT, but I have no idea what sort of thing to pass to it.  Hoping to avoid writing C functions for opening files!
02:49:32  E.g., (cudd-set-stdout *manager*) (cudd-print-minterm *manager* *node*)
02:49:54  so the library is pretty much a black box from my PoV.
02:50:55  rpg: this CUDD-SET-STDOUT asks for a C file pointer instead of a Lisp file pointer? Did I understand this right?
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02:51:37  Denommus: Yes, that's right.  Hoping to use it to redirect, since otherwise the CUDD library outputs just go down a rabbit hole somewhere.
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02:51:55  rpg: what implementation are you using?
02:52:36  SBCL.
02:54:08  hm... sorry, I don't really know, then. I would be as useful as googling
02:54:40  on ECL you would probably be able to store a C pointer in a variable more easily
02:55:31  No problem.  I appreciate the effort.  I should knock off anyway for tonight and try again in the morning.
02:55:38  bye!
02:55:38  you shold be able to call fdopen() from the c library with a fd from an SBCL fd-stream
02:55:49  jsnell: Oh, thanks!
02:56:07  jsnell: that's helpful
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02:56:10  of course that's assuming it's a fd-stream rather than a gray stream
02:56:12  jsnell: thanks, too
02:56:58  in that case you'd need some horrible adapter code, similar to what sb-ext:run-program has to do
02:57:15  jsnell: I have the freedom to come up with the SBCL stream.  It's just that I am not really competent to start hacking around inside CUDD.
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02:57:28  But I could cargo cult the SBCL sources.
02:57:54  good night!
02:58:11  rpg: see ya
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03:10:38  hm, making a good API for graphics is tough. so many possible options for things
03:11:03  Quadrescence: What are you trying to do?
03:11:58  right now? make a good API for drawing an arrow. But the multitude of options: aside from usual things like color, thickness, etc, you have arrowhead length, width, "flare", etc.
03:12:27  the CLIM API is plagued with functions that take four hundred keyword arguments, and that doesn't seem like a very good idea
03:12:45  better than 400 required or optional arguments
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03:13:12  I think what you will run into is, it will make sense to use more complex types that combine many of the the 400 arguments
03:13:24  but then you'll run into lots of cases where only a subset make sense
03:14:18  yeah. all i'm saying is it's tricky/non-trivial
03:14:28  if you end up with a really nice, tidy api, please tell somebody
03:14:36  because you might be the first one to do it :)
03:14:43  ha
03:16:02  ltbarcly: although his API will only work on Lispworks :(
03:16:29  Denommus: vs all the gui api's that work nicely on more than one platform :)
03:17:04  ltbarcly: like... commonqt?
03:17:30  commonqt is quite nice if you are using C++ and not doing anything too complex
03:17:49  I mean qt
03:18:35  ltbarcly: commonqt is a wrapper for qt in Common Lisp. It is quite nice :P
03:18:42  Denommus, I unfortunately don't know of an open source alternative really.
03:18:58  Quadrescence: oh, I'm not blaming you
03:19:19  fortunately all the code i write *is* open source
03:20:53  I haven't used commonqt, but I suspect it only partially hides the nightmare that is cross-os gui code
03:21:05  I mean even single-os gui code is pretty painful
03:22:12  It looked like a nightmare last time I looked at it. But maybe I'm conflating CommonQT with CCL's Cocoa bindings.
03:22:29  It's nightmares all the way down
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03:22:42  I like QML :P
03:23:10  I've spent a fair amount of time with Glade and related stuff in GTK
03:23:21  that and InterfaceBuilder
03:23:54  ymmv, but for me it was get 30 things done in 2 hours, spend 16 hours on 1 thing, repeat
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03:25:06  and those 16 hours always ended when I looked at the clock, got pissed, went with some awful hack that I knew was going to bite me later just  to move on
03:25:45  that is largely describing the nature of working with closed source software api's though
03:25:49  ltbarcly: The way some API's do it (SVG for example?) is to rowk ith paths
03:26:02  you can build more complex things (like arrows) on top of the paths
03:26:22  oh, are we just talking about drawing?  I got here late
03:26:33  I don
03:26:46  I don't know. I'm a bit behind as I was doing some work as well.
03:27:56  loke, still with those kinds of APIs, things needs to get parameterized somehow
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03:28:56  Quadrescence: well, objectified rather
03:29:14  (make-instance 'circle :radius 10)
03:30:31  Or perhaps (make-circle-path 10)
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03:42:31  rpg: at worst, you could have your library write to a pipe while another thread reads from the other side.
03:42:51  rpg: did you see the patch I sent to Zach?
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03:43:34  is there a reason why `atom` isn't `atomp`? it seems inconsistent to me so I'm assuming I'm missing something
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03:44:13  baumy: lost in annals of history and backward compatibility
03:44:20  ah
03:44:30  i would have expected atom to be the inverse of `list` kind of
03:44:40  oh well
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03:45:14  Good morning everyone.
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03:46:03  beach: 'morning
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01:33:54  I wish I has the requirements to fill D-Wave's position
01:34:15  pjb: *nods* I'm aware of it being a scheme thing, but on his "eval-when considered harmful" he also mentions cons cells being an unfortunate choice of representation.
01:35:05  Denommus: maybe you can apply either way explaining why inspite of not matching the requirements you think you'd be a good fit? Worst thing that can happen is no response.
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01:36:05  PuercoPop, I really don't think I'm competent enough for that. I just wish I was, because it seems an awesome position
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01:44:00 *PuercoPop* nods
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01:49:29  good day people from the lisp: I read somewhere (don't recall where, unfortunately) that back in the days, when implementing Lisp with C, programmers had to use #define, I don't recall for which reasons. Do you happen to know wheter this is true?
01:52:16  I don't see why you can't choose how to implement on your way
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01:55:55  f-a: when writing any consequent C program, the preprocessor becomes necessary, because of the lacks of C (which is nothing else than a portable assembler).
01:57:13  f-a: a preprocessor to C is so much necessary, that it's a typical pattern of writing programs: implement a pre-processor to C so you can get a "usable" programming language: yacc, lex, C++, Objective-C, Pro*sql, etc.
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01:59:10  Denommus: so you can follow the needed study program to become competent for this job. Too bad when you're done, another job will need yet another set of competencies.
02:00:16  thanks pjb . I am trying to find the code
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02:00:34  Denommus: enterprises are not logical entities.  Getting the job is more a random occurence than anything else.  Go for it!
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02:00:48  f-a: what code?
02:01:18  the first lisp implementation using C
02:02:22  pjb: If the preprocesor of C has so much caveats why do people still use on their day to day which lacks of C is it covering?
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02:05:41 <|3b|> #define is purely a text transform, so you never /have/ to use it, you could always do the same thing by hand
02:06:13 <|3b|> doing so would be tedious and error prone, so pretty much any C programmer would use #define though, whether implementing a lisp or not
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02:07:13  I'd add, that the idea of using preprocessors is *central* to C
02:07:55 <|3b|> some lisp implementors might use it in ways 'normal' C programmers would consider excessive, due to not wanting to actually program in C, or to make interacting with the lisp parts easier
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02:16:14  f-a: I don't know what is the first lisp implementation written in C.  Nowadays, there's only clisp that's written in C; there's one written in scheme, one written in Java, a couple written in C++, and all the others are written in Common Lisp.
02:17:01  well, ECL has bits of C all around
02:17:02  PuercoPop: well, C programmers tend to avoid cpp: they don't like the macrology lispers may do with cpp! :-)
02:17:57  Well, the first use of #define is to define constants, and nowadays C has const variables and enums, so you can eliminate most of the #defines.
02:18:23  There's also inline functions, so you can eliminate most of the remaining #defines.
02:19:01  p_l: but ecl is mostly written in lisp.
02:19:32  I see pjb
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02:21:21  ah, perhaps not,   59976 lisp loc vs. 314504 C loc in ecl.
02:21:54  So that would make gcl and kcl CL implementations mostly written in C too.
02:22:00  f-a: was it about kcl?
02:22:10  It may be the oldest written in C.
02:22:35  Somebody should make a historical graph of CL implementations
02:22:44  s/historical/genealogic/
02:22:50  it's somewhat unclear with ECL (and possibly other KCL-derived implementations), because I think the ECL compilation was based around bootstrapping from C a CL compiler which compiled itself
02:22:55  pjb: there used to be one
02:23:13  may well be, I will check now
02:24:28  f-a: clisp even uses its own pre-processor in addition to cpp for its "C" sources.   clisp C source files are named with the ".d" extension.
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02:27:37  haha, that's far fetched
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02:32:32 <|3b|> not really, you could argue ECL (which is a complete CL implementation) is a 'preprocessor' for C, since it generates C code and passes that to a C compiler
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02:48:14  f-a: again, it's not specific to lisp implementations, a lot of consequent programs do that.
02:48:17  For a reason!
02:48:56  becuase they have a freudian love/hate relationship with C
02:49:11  no
02:49:31  "Sometimes a pipe is just a pipe."
02:49:57  f-a: read K&R, and few other books from that time frame etc. - the idea was that you'd generate C from other tools, classic examples being lex and yacc
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02:53:22  ohhh didn't know that
02:54:44  f-a: C was a mix of being a bit higher level than assembly, not too onerous to write by hand (or remember, though it evolved a bit), with assumption that people would write other stuff that would generate C code
02:55:37  That's not an unreasonable assumption to make if you're extrapolating from past trends at that moment in time.
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02:56:13  also, it was kinda the philosophy involved in creating the whole thing
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02:56:25  consider how troff etc. work
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02:58:33  Hi again
02:59:37  AFAIK Most lisp implementations went a bit the other way around, towards what PL/I and ALGOL-60 did - big encompassing languages
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03:23:14  p_l: Yes, and the biggest and most encompassing one being Scheme...
03:23:26  ...once r7rs-large is out. Apparently, it's going to be bigger than Common Lisp.
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03:26:08  :o
03:26:17  bigger than 1000+ pages of specs
03:27:42  found this on Google in two seconds. https://twitter.com/fogus/status/307571147745161216
03:27:51  From 1 March so it could be outdated.
03:28:00  "TIL that R7RS-large will almost certainly be bigger than Common Lisp! :-O http://vimeo.com/29391029  #scheme"
03:30:12  In fairness, they took their sweet time building up to that size.
03:31:54  Yes, that's how you get to be the largest. Start as minimalist!
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03:38:40  I have a control loop that dispatches on user input; but the handlers require a second round of user input. I think, either I have to track my last state, get the second round of input and dispatch to the (b) version of the handler. Or I can let each handler get additional input if necessary.
03:39:01  The first solution has a kludgy amount of state and the second seems like an inconsistent input pattern.
03:39:05  Any suggestions?
03:39:59  Do the handlers always require the second round of input?
03:40:02  Or is that only in some cases?
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03:40:22  Most cases.
03:40:26  But not always.
03:40:55  I like to write for the common case.
03:41:33  So I'd probably write the loop so that it normally accumulates two successive pieces of input and dispatches on them, with a chunk of code at the top of the loop that does early dispatch on a single piece of input, as appropriate.
03:41:43  But without seeing more of your problem domain, it's difficult to advise you.
03:42:04  I see that might work; I could encode into the handler data structure how many rounds of inputs it requires.
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03:42:22  What I'd probably want to do is set up the loop so it accumulates a list of relevant inputs, and write matchers in the loop for all the one- and two-piece cases.
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03:44:39  Effectively it sounds like what you really want is coroutines.
03:45:07  Your input-reading-side loop runs once for each piece of input that comes in, and the output-side-loop executes once for each match that occurs.
03:46:54  You can write that as a "simple" loop that just deals with short inputs as exceptional cases, as long as the input spec isn't going to get any more complicated.
03:47:19  Like if you can see three-token inputs coming down the pike, just go for a coroutine or lex/parser solution right now to save future anger.
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03:49:35  Input will already be tokenized by input type (single character, full line), so I do not think a lex/parser is useful.
03:52:51  A probably is, a command two command input, is really more like one command and one input.
03:52:56  And I don't want to echo the input.
03:53:07  Which means updating the state without making a match after the first input.
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03:56:01  Maybe a coroutine handles that nicely?
03:56:35  Coroutines are good for handling a mismatch in cardinality between events on either side of a transformation.
03:56:59  Like, some arbitrary number of input tokens generates an arbitrary number of outputs.
03:57:24  If the number of input tokens is either 1 or 2, and the number of outputs is always 1, then you're on the hairy edge of where it might be simpler to do it without coroutines.
03:58:14  So like I suggested, it depends on how certain you are that the design won't be extended to need three or more tokens on the input side, or two or more on the output, or some other kind of complexity.
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04:00:54  I think a coroutines may be overkill as essentially I'd just be yielding to get input; I'll just write some nice input function and forego top-down control of input.
04:01:37  Okay.
04:01:47  There are some edge cases to consider.
04:02:15  Like, if you've received a single input token which doesn't trigger a handler/production, and then the input ceases without a further token which triggers a handler, you'll need to handle that some other way.
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04:03:32  Default handler?
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04:04:05  Yeah, but you don't want the "default handler" to trigger when the single token arrives which might be the first token of a two-token production rule.
04:04:23  One way to deal with it is to expose end-of-file as a token in the input stream.
04:04:52  So you can say "If EOF arrives and there's data in the pushed-back token stream waiting to be used, here's a production rule describing what to do."
04:04:54  Only use 1 token handlers; which then handle their additional N-1 tokens.
04:05:00  Whatever that should be in your problem domain.
04:05:12  I see.
04:05:51  
04:07:09  To me, a code editor has all kinds of potential future expansion, so I'd be inclined to build as general a solution as I could.
04:07:14  But I'm not in your head. :)
04:08:07  Yes trying to build a simple interface; more interested in it as a platform for scripting code transformations.
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04:14:33  Hi, I'm wondering if I made an error in the formatting of this function: (defun min3 (x y z)   (funcall min2 ((funcall min2 (x y)) (funcall min2 (y z)))))
04:15:07  where min2 just returns min of two numbers
04:15:11  yeah, you can't have a compound form as your car like that.
04:15:18  and it's (funcall min2 x y)
04:15:38  I can't call a function with the return value of another function?
04:15:48  you can
04:15:56  something like (funcall min2 (funcall min2 x y) (funcall min2 y z))
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04:19:06  how do I compile entire file? Im using emacs, is the command C-c C-l
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04:19:23  C-c C-k
04:19:27  C-c C-l is load.
04:20:27  for some reason I keep getting error that min2 is undefined variable, even though I've declared/tested function min2
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04:21:30  Maybe you mean (min2 (min2 x y) (min2 y z))?
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04:22:46  oh. it worked when I removed the funcall keyword. is there a reason for that?
04:23:01  Yes.
04:23:16  when you do (funcall foo ...), the value of foo is looked up in the variable namespace, where things are bound with let for example.
04:23:23  with (foo ...) it's looked up in the function namespace.
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04:24:23  I see. thanks for help. =D
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05:38:53  ML has tuples, is there any thing equivalent in Lisp?
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05:40:04  structs, conses, arrays
05:40:17 <|3b|> CL has lists, arrays, complex numbers, multiple value return, no idea if any of those are similar
05:40:42 <|3b|> also structs and classes
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05:44:02  make-string-output-stream + read = the best way to turn "(1 2 3)" into (1 2 3)?
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05:44:20 <|3b|> clhs read-from-string
05:44:20  http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_rd_fro.htm
05:44:43  Awesome.
05:45:00 <|3b|> but keep in mind reader macros can have side effects if your string is from an untrusted source
05:45:35  the ol' s-expression injection.
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07:22:30  If I do..
07:22:38  (defmacro y (string)  `(defun ,(intern string) () (+ 10 2)))
07:22:48  (y "hot-girls-in-boots")
07:23:01  Why can I only do (|hot-girls-in-boots|) versus (hot-girls-in-boots)?
07:24:19 <|3b|> by default, the reader converts things to uppercase before interning
07:24:29  Ah i See.
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07:24:32  And the bars suppress it.
07:24:38 <|3b|> right
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07:48:23  How to do copy on write structures?
07:48:34  This is what I have right now; but I have to update the macro every time I add a field.
07:48:35  https://gist.github.com/burrows-labs/6959306
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09:20:33  how do I declare positive integer in lisp?
09:20:43  positive integer type*
09:20:56 <|3b|> clhs integer
09:20:56  http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/t_intege.htm
09:21:32 <|3b|> clhs unsigned-byte
09:21:32  http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/t_unsgn_.htm
09:22:32  thanks
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10:06:00  'morning
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10:08:50  Sup.
10:09:52  Common lisp equivalent of ruby ensure?
10:10:18  What does that do?
10:11:02  Takes some action (side effect) before a function exits and discards the result.
10:11:25  Like something you might do with C++ RAII.
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10:12:29  I don't know what C++ RAII does either, sorry.
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10:12:42  The former sounds a little like unwind-protect
10:12:43  cachem0ney: isn't that something like unwind-protect?
10:12:55  cachem0ney: (with-open-file) is an example
10:13:07  Yes; like with-open-file.
10:13:16  Thank you.
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11:07:03  cachem0ney: why don't you use copy-structuture? or the copier created by defstruct? (defstruct point x y) (copy-point (make-point :x 1 :y 2)) --> #S(point :x 1 :y 2)
11:08:31  The goal is to not mutate the struct; I'm unsure of how to use copy-* without mutating.
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11:17:38  cachem0ney: oh, ok.  Artificial constraints.
11:17:56  (I mean, what do you think make- does internally?)
11:20:26  How far internally?
11:20:50  Artificial? If I want to write a function that won't modify it's inputs, how else?
11:20:51  It will allocate memory, and MUTATE the fields!
11:21:15  cachem0ney: ok, but the copy of the structure is not the input of the function.
11:21:16  Well shucks lets get out the transistors and do away with the fancy vi.
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11:22:07  It is perfectly ok to avoid mutating parameters, but to use SETF in the algorithm, and to build the result.
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11:22:48  I don't understand what you mean.
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11:22:59  hi
11:23:14  Is common lisp suitable as a system programming language?
11:23:40  (defun offset-point (point dx dy) (let ((new (copy-point))) (incf (point-x new) dx) (incf (point-y new) dy) new))
11:23:45  crocket: yes.
11:24:00  pjb, I heard common lisp suffers modularity problem.
11:24:08  crocket: several systems were written in lisp.  Nowadays, you can use Movitz, a CL implementation designed to write kernels.
11:24:34  What do you mean by "modularity problem"?
11:24:35  Yes that pattern seems functionally equivalent.
11:25:23  cachem0ney: but I proposed copy-* because you named named your functions cp-*; the problem may be this name.
11:25:56  Your pattern may not work for me as I wanted to make slots read-only.
11:26:06  How do you call a modified functional structure?
11:26:21  What does that mean?
11:27:01  (updated-point p :x 1) ; nope update conote mutation
11:27:02  pjb : I don't know exactly, but as far as OSGi is concerned, multiple versions of a library should be easy to deploy.
11:27:16  cachem0ney: in Haskell do they have a generic term for that?
11:27:33  copy-on-write?
11:28:03  cachem0ney: yes, technically, but abstractely, how do they name it?  In usual programming language we say mutation or setf.
11:28:14  crocket: how do you want to deploy? It's easy to have multiple versions.
11:28:31  I'm not familiar with the haskell vernacular.
11:28:37  pjb, A depends on D 1.1, and B depends on D 2.0.
11:28:45  Your program, C, depends on A and B.
11:28:50  (not (eq (non-destructive-setf p :x 1) p))
11:28:52  C ends up with D 1.1 and 2.0
11:29:01  pjb, Does common lisp deal with this well?
11:29:06  and easily?
11:29:27  crocket: just like any other programming language.  Is it up to the programming language to deal with that?  Or up to the surrounding system?
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11:29:59  Do you want to deal with multiple versions inside a lisp image? Or across different lisp programs in different lisp images?
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11:30:41  How do you do it in eg. Java?  Or in C?  Can you link two different versions of a dynamic library at the same time in a C program? Is it done often and easily?
11:32:25  pjb, There is OSGi
11:32:51  OSGi seems to be the most advanced modularity solution I've seen so far.
11:33:10  dependencies are declared explicitly
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11:33:48  In OSGi, module boundary is not fine-grained, which is good.
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11:35:48  Well, we have for example ASDF (quicklisp is based on it), and while we can declare a version for a system, nothing is done with it.  quicklisp will update system versions, but you can't load two different versions at the same time (unless you rename the systems).  You can however have different quicklisp directories with different versions.s
11:35:59  There's nothing as over engineered as in java.
11:36:41  Technically, it should be possible to load different versions of a library at the same time in a lisp image easily enough, by using different package names (and having some care about shared resources).
11:37:02  Some libraries have packages named with version numbers (and a package nickname to refer to the default version).
11:37:14  But again, nothing much is done with it yet.
11:37:31  pjb, I agree that OSGi is overengineered.
11:37:40  Mostly the current solution is to use quicklisp, where Xach ensures that library versions are compatible.
11:38:04  pjb : Is that a scalable approach?
11:40:18  quicklisp?  Well, currently it has several single points of failure (as any SAAS).  But the sources are public, and one can create separate distributions.
11:41:33  But the point mostly is that there are not that many lisp libraries (and being lisp, they're not as big as java libraries) that we cannot maintain them to be up to date with their dependencies.
11:41:53  pjb, OSGi attaches version numbers to packages.
11:42:05  And OSGi can load multiple versions of a package in one JVM.
11:42:17  Again, the CL language would let you build such an infrastructure.
11:42:44  pjb, How is it done?
11:43:42  Playing with package names and nicknames: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:N5sNR_JK6p8J:www.cliki.net/cl-package-aliases+&cd=1&hl=fr&ct=clnk&lr=lang_en|lang_es|lang_fr&client=ubuntu
11:44:22  With something like that you can build a system to load and manage different versions of libraries.
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11:47:21  pjb, Does it have no problem when A depends on B(depends on D 1.1) and C(depends on D 2.0)?
11:47:31  D 1.1 and D 2.0 are implicitly depended upon.
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11:47:37  A doesn't know about D.
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11:53:30  does anyone kn0w how to debug/step through lisp function?
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12:04:37  crocket: well, again, in asdf, we don't do anything with versions. In particular, we don't specify version ranges with the dependencies.
12:04:53  crocket: you'd have to extend it to do that.
12:05:00  lisp_noob: (step (f))
12:06:18  lisp_noob: only not in ccl.  Also, you can use cl-stepper: (ql:quickload :com.informatimago.common-lisp.lisp.stepper) (documentation (find-package :com.informatimago.common-lisp.lisp.stepper) t)
12:06:34  OK
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12:10:02  clhs defun
12:10:02  http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/m_defun.htm
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12:35:11   http://youtu.be/ZH4BONwnjlI
12:35:19  structured s expression editing
12:35:22  code here https://github.com/burrows-labs/meta
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13:09:24  could we add http://web.archive.org/web/20130821022023/http://www.cliki.net/ to the topic for anyone wanting cliki while it's down?
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13:37:48  Need some algorithmic help here. Assuming I have a list of "things" (doesn't matter what, let's say symbols for the sake of argument) A, and another list B. Is there an efficient algorithm that gives me a sequence of instructions (add/remove/modify) that I can apply to transform A into B?
13:38:33 <|3b|> wasn't someone on planet lisp talking about that recently?
13:38:56  Sounds pretty trivial, since lists are ordered.
13:38:59  In other words, I'd want (foo '(a b c) '(x b)) to give me, say, ((:remove 2) (:modify 0 x))
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13:39:51  It's the diff algorithm.
13:40:04  Zhivago: right. I created a simple version, which kinda works, but it's inefficient. For example it can't detect things like (a b c d e f g) tranformed into (1 2 3 a b c d e f g).
13:40:05  The only interesting problem you have is to decide what doesn't need to be add/remove/modified.
13:40:20  It will end up rewriting the enitre list because it loses track of the fact that the tails are similar.
13:40:50  And you can figure that out by walking down the list finding the potential points of congruence, and then picking a solution with the largest number of congruences.
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13:44:02  You can determine that by evaluating the cost of a path in terms of the number of non-congruences -- and then it's equivalent to finding the viterbi path, I think.
13:44:10  Hmm.
13:44:17  That's where I'd start -- it's easy to find a viterbi path with a beam algorithm.
13:45:42  Thanks
13:45:54  Good luck.
13:45:57  I'll read up on those algorithms. Now have have some google keywords :-)
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13:49:21  Hi
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18:09:32  Is there anyone familiar with RESTAS? I can't make restas-daemon.lisp work, it just can't find any system. What may cause such problem?
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18:35:17  hi, is there a risk that code I write in SBLC will not work on CCL, I am considering using SBLC on linux because it seems to be the best for linux, but only has experimental support on windows, meaning that it's probably better to use CCL or something on windows
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18:38:00  BitPuffin: if you don't use any sbcl-specific stuff, it should work fine.
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18:40:06  hitecnologys: well what kind of stuff would be sbcl specific? I need to use stuff like FFI with C
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18:42:28  BitPuffin: here's complete list of things that you can usually find only in sbcl: http://sbcl.org/manual/. FFI supports CCL so should work on windows too.
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18:42:45  BitPuffin if you need stuff like FFI with C, use CFFI
18:43:03  CFFI generally works across CL implementations
18:43:15  it's a library for FFI
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18:44:31  Yeah, I meant "CFFI supports" by "FFI supports".
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18:46:08  so it's like an extension to the CLISP standard?
18:46:14  that most compilers implement or what?
18:46:16  GAH!
18:46:30  (GNU) CLISP is the name of an (oddball) implementation
18:46:35  We say "Common Lisp"
18:46:38  or CL
18:47:05  CFFI is on top of whatever existing compilers provide
18:47:06  BitPuffin: CFFI it just a library that adds some things.
18:47:53  oh cool
18:48:20  BitPuffin: like SBCL will do FFI differently than CCL might (symbol wise and method wise)
18:48:58  so CFFI is just a lib where doing the FFI will translate to the proper implementation
18:49:02  resttime: so it is an abstraction layer for different implementation?
18:49:04  s
18:49:24  yeah, i think that's a way you can put it
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18:53:16  cool
18:53:19  thanks for the advice
18:55:00  no problem, now go forth and may you be blessed with bug-free functional code
18:55:11  CFFI is what you should use, unless you WANT to be non-portable
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19:06:58  OK, looks like I solved the problem with restas-daemon.
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19:08:26  Now I'd better go and have some sleep. Good night, people.
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19:08:45  resttime: you mean I'm gonna find it simple and refined and guaranteed to blow my mind?
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19:10:24  exactly
19:12:31  exciting
19:14:37  exactly, it's exciting (?) (:
19:15:54  jackdaniel: yeah lisp is exciting!
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19:17:28  BitPuffin: tell me more, to "jump right in" i decided to write project in lisp at uni w/o any previous preparation ^_^ but it's almost over
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19:24:47  BitPuffin, for portability, I also recommend my own UIOP
19:24:55  part of ASDF
19:24:58  and thus ubiquitous
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19:25:42  Fare: link?
19:25:54  jackdaniel: Well I'm considering using it for a big game project of mine
19:26:21  http://common-lisp.net/project/asdf/
19:26:24  BitPuffin: what type of game?
19:27:42  jackdaniel: 3d horror game
19:28:47  Fare: interesting I'll have a look at asdf, so it's for doing a build system?
19:29:12  it's a mix of make and ld.so
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19:30:02  Fare: You mean it helps you compile and set up dynamic library loading?
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19:30:31  and a bit of autoconf and libc, I suppose
19:30:37  yes
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19:34:31  is there a clean way to establish optimization settings around a call to #'COMPILE?
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19:35:26  since it doesn't want to accept a '(locally (declare (optimize ...)) (lambda ...))', bless its soul
19:36:39  I guess I should thank the elder gods for whose sins at least a lambda form is considered a function name and be content with what I have, but still. :/
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19:39:30  you can do the (funcall (compile nil (lambda () (locally (declare ...) (lambda ...))))) trick, for certain low values of "cleanly"
19:39:40  '(lambda () ...) rather
19:40:01  ,,for certain low values of "cleanly"'' :D
19:40:41  Bike: oh, that's actually pretty neat if it works.  thanks!
19:40:54  what about (compile '(lamda () (declare ...))) ?
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19:41:41  anyone here manage the CFFI repo?
19:41:45  I have a Pull request I'd like to see in the official release
19:41:48  https://github.com/cffi/cffi/pull/30
19:42:03  Fare: I suspect I'm getting some unwanted calling-convention-related slowdown when I do that.
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20:08:13  are there up to date bindings for opengl available ?
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20:09:43  I'm trying to create a simple lisp function that will rotate a list by n elements, so [1, 2, 3] and 2 becomes [3, 1 2]. Anyways for some reason my recursive call is wrong? (rotate (cons (cdr l) (car l)) (- n 1))
20:09:57  BitPuffin: check out CLinch
20:10:42  lisp_noob: where is the recursion?
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20:11:20  BitPuffin: https://github.com/BradWBeer/CLinch
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20:11:43  oh sorry I forgot to write the whole function: (defun rotate (l n) (cond ((= n 0) l)) (T (rotate (cons (cdr l) (car l)) (- n 1)))))
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20:15:00  the only thing I can guess is that I'm not using cons correctly? Do I have to combine (car l) with an empty list and then call cons?
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20:15:27  lisp_noob: you can't put (cdr l) as first part of cons for flat list
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20:16:12  so how can I combine (cdr l) and (car )
20:16:17  (car l)*
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20:18:43  (defun rotate (list n)
20:18:44    (if (= n 0)
20:18:44        list
20:18:44      (cons
20:18:44       (rotate (cdr list))
20:18:48       (cdr list))))
20:18:54  sorry for spam, ugh
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20:19:19  ah, and you have to remove last element of second part
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20:23:31  lisp_noob: (cons (last lst) (subseq lst 0 (1- n)))
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20:26:42  thanks for tips. I ended up using (append (cdr l) (list (car l)))
20:27:52  lisp_noob: that's pretty awkward, you asked about shifting last element, not first ,p
20:28:20  oh sorry. thanks for help though
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20:51:38  quick question. how can I declare a type rational that is all rational (both positive and negative). Do I just combine the positive and negative syntax together? (rational * 0 *) ??
20:53:37  or the type specifiers.
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21:02:25  Is there any way to do the natural logarithm in Common Lisp? Without implementing it yourself I mean.
21:02:57  (log e base)
21:03:19  Ah. log without base supplied is the natural logarithm apparently
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21:05:47  is there a way to specify type of integer  list? I know you can declare type list , but can I do declare type list-integer  to specify that its a list of integers
21:06:15  nope.
21:06:28  So I have to create my own specifier?
21:06:32  you can do it with array
21:06:34  no, you can't.
21:06:38  you can do (the integer (car list)) or something if you want, though.
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21:30:46  jackdaniel: looks cool but I am not looking for a finished rendering engine, just a raw opengl binding/wrapper
21:31:22  i think lispbuilder-sdl is the thing there, dunno how up to date it is
21:32:28  basically what I want is glfw, opengl, libao and ode or newton
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21:33:02  https://github.com/AlexCharlton/cl-glfw3
21:33:04  cool
21:33:06  BitPuffin: i wouldn't call it ready engine, it's just convinient wrapper for few things
21:34:39  Bike: afaik lispbuilder development is stalled
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21:35:21  jackdaniel: hmm, well maybe it could be something I guess. It does seem like he has a lot of similar ideas for something that I'd like to create. Although I haven't yet decided on what language I'll write it in
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21:36:56  jackdaniel: but it's a bit bloated for me, I don't really need 2d stuff
21:37:12  but I guess compilers optimize what you don't use away
21:37:58  BitPuffin: clinch is just for opengl - u can use opengl for 2d rendering. i think that's what author meant
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21:38:12  Well
21:38:31  oh, it has cairo support as im looking now
21:38:34  it seems like it is a bit more high level than what I want, at least from the author's description
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21:40:15  however working on raw bindings may be tedious
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21:41:44  jackdaniel: well the cl-glfw3 seems to be just what I want, a raw binding with a little bit of convenience added, hopefully without compromise :)
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21:44:09  i'm wondering - is there possibility to run cl on atmega?
21:44:27  piping output from ecl could potentially work
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21:53:24  nope, that wont work ^_^
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21:53:49  anybody knows what happened to cliki?
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21:56:33  wow
21:56:37  quicklisp is awesome
21:56:55  :)
21:57:08  true dat
21:57:12  however, i have issues with quicklisp on my raspberry pi, which really sucks
21:57:27  because then i can not load any libs:`(
21:57:29  i use ql just fine on raspi
21:57:30  gn all
21:57:41  axion: what interpreter do you use?
21:57:49  ccl
21:57:57  okay, let me try to get that working
21:58:03  clisp fails on me:``(
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21:58:13  ive used clisp no issues also
21:58:26  axion: honestly, iirc, i have as well
21:58:40  but why use the oddball implementation that is clisp
21:58:43 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
21:58:43  however, at one point my sd card got corrupted and i had to reflash
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21:58:59  and when i got clisp back the second time
21:59:03  it started crashing on me
21:59:09  and loading quicklisp insta crashes
21:59:19  fun
21:59:24  axion: i am familiar with clisp
21:59:26 -!- corni [~corni@drupal.org/user/136353/view] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds]
21:59:30  and that is why. i like the clisp sh.
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21:59:49  however, when it comes do to implementation, i do not know its quirks over the others.
21:59:54  i prefer swank
22:00:10  okay, i will have to research.
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22:00:33  anything in particular, feature/implementation-wise, that prefers you to swank?
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22:01:35  you can use slime/swank with clisp
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22:03:42  oh okay, i will have to look it up then.
22:04:02  slime allows you to use your editor rather than typing everything in the rather limited lisp shells
22:04:09  and some extra features
22:04:15  atm, i use tmux{vim|clisp}
22:04:30 -!- arnas [arnsa@78-63-18-208.static.zebra.lt] has quit []
22:04:32  i use vim as well. look into slimv
22:04:40  it is slime for vim
22:04:40  kk will do, thanks!!
22:04:54  however, as a shell, i enjoy being in clisp
22:04:59  sometimes i use as default shell
22:05:16  clisp > bash :)
22:05:25  hehe
22:05:45  slimv is amazing if you like vim coding
22:06:24  i never considered using clisp as a shell
22:06:26  (defun $ (cmd) (shell cmd))
22:06:28  i'll have to try it out :)
22:06:41  ($ "uptime")
22:06:43  hehe.
22:06:59  definitely. i like vim coding very much. slimv sounds wise.
22:07:07  i just checked and i'm glad it supports reverse-search (^R), is that all part of readline?
22:07:20  haz1: you should definitely try it out.
22:07:34  also make sure to set vi keys for clisp;)
22:07:46  haz1: yes
22:07:50  however, i use vi readline
22:07:51  i shall, what software do you use to run system commands? or did you create your own $ macro?
22:08:50  (ext:run-shell-command) and (ext:run-program);sp? are default hooks in clisp
22:09:06  so i just make macros or the what not to those
22:09:26  oh gotchya, i didn't see your function declaration
22:09:31  ah :D
22:10:45  hopefully your world terminal world will forever be different:)
22:11:11  (((different)))
22:11:29  no quicklisp for restas?
22:11:38  we shall see :)
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22:12:02  BitPuffin: (ql:system-apropos "restas")
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22:13:12  yeah it was there
22:13:18  just idn't say so on its website :P
22:13:48  do you still need to use asdf if you use ql?
22:13:58  yes, quicklisp is built on asdf.
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22:14:24  But I mean when you install ql don't you get asdf too then because of that?
22:14:59  yes.
22:15:00  haz1: then for aliases you can just use (defparameter)
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22:23:32  axion: do you know any good documentation for using multiple threads in CCL?
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22:25:45  not really, i just use bt
22:26:00  the ccl manual is usually pretty good
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22:31:52  okay.
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22:57:59  Hey, is there a way to do a loop for collect with multiple elements collected at the same time
22:58:11  just have multiple collect clauses.
22:58:34  something like:  (loop for i from 1 to 3 collect i (+ i 1) ) to get '(1 2 2 3 3 4)
22:58:50  (loop for i from 1 to 3 collect i collect (+ i 1))
22:59:01  Bike: Oh I see, thanks
22:59:05 -!- kmder_ is now known as kmder
22:59:38  yeah it works, I would have never thought I could use multiple collect clauses, thanks
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23:28:37  :`(, building CCL is failing
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23:30:30  ryankarason: surprizing.  I don't remember ccl failing to build itself.
23:31:28  ryankarason: for multiple threads, you can also use bordeaux-threads, which gives you a portable API.
23:33:25  Are there any really good lisp-machine reads out there, next to the actual Genera manuals, and the MIT LispM ones?
23:35:09  http://www.computerhistory.org/collections/search/?s=lisp+machine&type=all&t=objects
23:36:25  pjb: Oh, wow thanks! :^)
23:36:38  http://www.softwarepreservation.org/projects/LISP/
23:36:57  gzg: but a lot of material is obviously pre-web, therefore not entirely on-line
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23:37:10  gzg: you can find a lot of things in the AILab Memos.
23:37:24  pjb: Yeah, understood -- I'm just trying to consume as-much-as-possible at this point. :^I
23:37:36  http://publications.csail.mit.edu/ai/
23:38:14  Try http://publications.csail.mit.edu/ai/pubsDB/pubs.doit on "lisp" ;-)
23:38:46  Funnily, it doesn't return aim-8 Recursive Functions of Symbolic Expressions and Their Computation by Machine :-)
23:39:28 *gzg* wonders if/when we have home 3d printers capable of printing hardware -- if the LispM will find it's niche somewhere. GNU is slowly but surely edging it's way to a pseudolisp-machine already... so that's possibly a good sign? :^P
23:39:30  AIM-528 is about the CADR the second lisp machine.
23:40:22  pjb: Very cool; A lot more resources than what I was able to find via the archive.org. :^)
23:40:28  Well, ix86 is not a hard wired machine anymore. You can consider it a virtual machine implemented by Intel firmware.
23:40:59  archive.org archives the web.  lisp has a long history pre-web and pre-internet.
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23:41:21  pjb: True.
23:41:36 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@dsl-hkibrasgw3-58c156-108.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
23:41:43  So, the only question is how good or bad a virtual machine ix86 is for a given kind of languages.
23:42:19 -!- uzo2 is now known as uzo
23:42:37  Since we can download microcode on an intel processor at boot time, we could perhaps download some lisp specific instructions then, thus making Intel processors Lisp Machines?
23:42:51  I don't know if it's even documented; browse the intel web sites.
23:43:58  http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/architecture-and-technology/64-ia-32-architectures-software-developer-vol-3a-part-1-manual.html
23:44:09  chapter 9.11: "Microcode update facilities", December 2009.
23:44:50  Study it, and see if you can implement cons, car and cdr as micro instructions.  Perhaps you could even implement a garbage collector in microcode (this has already been done)?
23:45:54  pjb: Might be another fun project to add to my "summer to-do list" and what not. :^)
23:47:05  pjb: i will look into bordeaux-threads, thanks.
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23:47:22  i get errors when running rebuild-ccl
23:48:02  make: Target `all' not remade because of errors.
23:49:42  as much as was on screen: http://bpaste.net/show/140244/
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23:52:04  ryankarason: well, there seems to be an inconsistency between armcl and the compilation options for the .o about the VFP register. /usr/bin/ld: error: ../../armcl uses VFP register arguments, pmcl-kernel.o does not
23:52:42  ryankarason: see if http://www.reddit.com/r/lisp/comments/1do5fd/patch_to_make_clozure_common_lisp_ccl_work_on_the/ helps.
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23:53:35  ryankarason: http://yehnan.blogspot.fr/2012/07/raspberry-piclozure-cl.html  seems to say that some float ABI must be configured between soft and hard FP.
23:54:12  That's all I can do for now.  Good night!
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23:54:25  pjb: o/
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23:56:22  pjb: thanks very much
23:56:34  my arm is hf, so i probably have to configure for that
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00:00:22  thanks for investigating for me:)
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01:32:13  pjb: wooo
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04:34:35  does anyone know of a portability library for representing infinity?
04:37:37  i think ieee-floats has something?
04:38:30 *|3b|* seems to remember clisp not liking nan/inf
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04:52:25  Bike, seems not, they just return keywords
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04:53:12  I'll email Marijn about it.
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04:54:41 <|3b|> i think you need to call make-float-converters with :support-nan-and-infinity t instead of using the default ones
04:54:59 <|3b|> :support-nan-and-infinity-p t
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04:56:15 <|3b|> actually, i guess that isn't a keyword arg, so just t
04:57:11  |3b|, I don't think that actually allows one to have the float representation on the host. That just allows you to define different sized float converters, and be able to return stuff like :not-a-number from them
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04:59:25 <|3b|> yeah, guess i misremembered
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04:59:51 <|3b|> sb-cga has NaN for a bunch of lisps, which might provide a starting point
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05:04:10 <|3b|> looks like 1f++0 on ccl, (/ 1 0f0) on abcl, (sb-kernel:make-single-float #x7f800000) on sbcl
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05:04:49  SB-EXT:DOUBLE-FLOAT-POSITIVE-INFINITY
05:05:06 <|3b|> yeah, that would probably be better :)
05:05:47 <|3b|> (/ 1 0f0) or ext:single-float-positive-infinity on ecl
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05:06:41 <|3b|> acl might be excl:*infinity-single*
05:07:04  I wonder why it was decided that infinity should not be represented in the standard.
05:08:15 <|3b|> did all the hardware they might want to run on support it?
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05:08:33  I am too young to know.
05:08:45  and too lazy to look up.
05:09:42  IEEE754 was established in 1985
05:10:08  back then it was not really standardized, afaik
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05:11:44  LAPACK version 1.0 was released in 1992, so maybe you are right |3b|.
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05:40:55  p_l: it was standardized in 2008.
05:41:18  Or 2009?
05:41:46  ASau: latest version
05:41:54  it differs a bunch from the old
05:42:11  (and not many architectures implement the full 2008 spec, too)
05:43:39  AFAIK, GCL doesn't implement the standard either.
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05:43:50  And what was the year when CL was standardized?
05:44:01  That's the same issue.
05:44:22  ASau: the full 2008 spec includes such things as decimals
05:44:35  Not only those.
05:44:45  yes, but those are the biggest differences
05:44:58  the "classic" stuff is implemented, afaik
05:45:09  Anyway.
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05:46:51  IEEE754 is a topic for a long rants about clueless programmers and clueless engineers.
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05:48:48  Is there a non rant version?
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05:49:23  Non-rant version is
05:49:35  That would be th espec itself, no?
05:49:52  each developer or user who complains about IEEE754 should be treated with LART.
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05:51:02 *|3b|* complains about clisp not supporting nan and inf :p
05:52:09  that isn't helpful.
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05:54:47  Well, got the basic program working. It will eventually recieve piped drawing commands so any language can pipe it shapes without a graphics lib.
05:54:50  http://www.lispforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4182
05:54:54  If anyone cares. :)
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05:56:29  fun :-)
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05:57:35  @loke_ yes, so you can even use a language like FORTRAN or Brainfuck (pardon language) to produce charts and plots...
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05:59:42  Ryan_Burnside: that looks wicked
05:59:59  Thank you. :)
06:00:07  i was just thinking about this the other day
06:00:13  i am tracking downa performance issue on a server
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06:00:31  and i'd love to be able to pipe data directly to something that can create a graph so i can visually inspect what is going on
06:00:40  specifically from atop
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06:00:58  Yes, you can even pipe the plain text commands over ssh...
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06:01:17  love it.  url of the project?
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06:01:30  I've not hosted it on Github just yet.
06:01:45  I plan to open source it.
06:02:05  no prob.  thanks for chomping away at this particular edge case.  it is super useful.
06:02:29  oh just found your universal graphics terminal post
06:02:37  i have been thinking about that too for a long time now
06:02:37  :)
06:03:09  holycow I'll not have time to impliment the whole reading from piped data, if you beat me to it let me know.
06:03:24  I'm going to be busy this week.
06:03:35  i'm just a noob.  there is little chance of me catching up to anyone in terms of programming
06:03:40  I'll try to impliment piping but if somebody beats me to it. I can adopt theirs.
06:03:55  Ok, I'll try to get the piping in soon.
06:04:12  You can try that project if you get ltk compile it, and run my program in the same directory.
06:04:14  when you have time.  make sure you enjoy the process
06:04:20  Indeed.
06:04:21  :)
06:04:38  Keep an eye on the thread if you like.
06:05:00  i have never heard of lispforum.  yeah looks neat.
06:05:14  i gotta go, just wanted to throw my support in for the great ideas!
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06:18:09  How to pass in a function as a parameter? How to declare type specfier for function parameter?
06:19:01  you pass a function like any other value
06:19:09  clhs function/t
06:19:10  http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/t_fn.htm
06:19:58  lisp_noob: names bound to functions behave by the same syntactic rules as anything else when applying a function to them
06:20:25  (f g) is a function being applied to a function
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06:32:48  I'm trying to create a function that takes in any other function and a list, and modifies that list based on the input function. so (select '(1 2 3 4) isPrime) would return (1 2 3)
06:33:00  (select '(1 2 3 4) is odd) would return (1 3)
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06:33:37  modifies, not returns a new one?
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06:33:52  but that's not too hard, it's the standard find-if so you can look at that for some guidance, perhaps
06:34:16  well I technically return a new one since a cons valid values to a new list
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06:35:20 <|3b|> clhs remove-if-not
06:35:20  http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_rm_rm.htm
06:35:41  oh, right, that
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06:36:05  lisp_noob: This may be a good place to start. http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/practical-a-simple-database.html
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07:58:01  Is there a solution to error: debug-on-entry is undefined?
07:58:01 oleo_ [5098faa7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.152.250.167] has joined #lisp
07:58:06  how do I define it?
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07:58:38  that's the wrong question
07:59:19  what is debug-on-entry and why is it undefined ?
07:59:34  its for debugging functions I thought
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08:06:36 <|3b|> where do you see it/what makes you think that?
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08:08:40  He's probably seeing it in emacs
08:08:45  This is not a question, this is an answer. Question would be "have you set debug-on-entry" or why do you use elisp
08:08:53  ^
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08:29:42  good day everyone
08:29:48  o/
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08:30:01  :)
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08:31:03  hi Blkt
08:31:16  :D
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08:33:02  :Ð
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08:44:46  lisp_noob: can you post the full backtrace to a paste bin and show it to us?
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08:51:34  @jackdanile how do you set debug-on-entry in emacs?
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08:58:44  lisp_noob: in what are you programming? Common lisp? or emacs lisp?
08:59:14  thought both were the same?? how do I know what I'm using. I'm running slime on emacs
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09:00:44  they are different. most of emacs is written in emacs lisp. Slime connects to a Common Lisp implementation.
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09:01:18  okay. so I'm running Common Lisp in that case
09:02:21  lisp_noob: Which common lisp implementation are you using?
09:02:32  the debug-on-entry thing belongs to emacs lisp. When does this error appear? You can most likely just ignore it.
09:02:36  lisp_noob: `debug-on-entry' is elisp function, i think you have a question for #emacs
09:04:01  oh I see. that explains why it says the debug-on-entry is undefined function when I try it
09:04:09  so how do you debug in Common Lisp?
09:04:26  lisp_noob: I think you need to read a book
09:04:29  lisp_noob: When you come accross an error, SLIME usually drops you into the debugger automatically
09:04:46  minion: tell lisp_noob about PCL
09:04:46  lisp_noob: please see PCL: pcl-book: "Practical Common Lisp", an introduction to Common Lisp by Peter Seibel, available at http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/ and in dead-tree form from Apress (as of 11 April 2005).
09:04:46  @prxq what would you recommend?
09:05:00  kk
09:05:09  that, or Touretzky's "Gentle introduction to symbolic computation"
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09:24:15  lisp_noob: (or (ignore-errors (emacs-lisp)) (ignore-errors (lisp-implementation-type))) ; should tell you "emacs" or the current CL implementation name.
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09:54:28  minion: memo for lisp_noob: here is a debug-on-entry for CL: http://paste.lisp.org/display/139439
09:54:28  Remembered. I'll tell lisp_noob when he/she/it next speaks.
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10:17:11  That is very cool. /pat minion
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12:20:38  Greetings.
12:22:17  Is pre-compiled documentation for iolib 0.8.0 available somewhere?
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12:23:32  http://common-lisp.net/project/iolib/manual/
12:23:52 normanrichards [~normanric@70.114.215.220] has joined #lisp
12:23:54  also http://quickdocs.org/iolib/api
12:24:32  fe[nl]ix: it says that it's 0.6.0, is it OK?
12:25:29  hitecnologys: the documentation hasn't changed
12:26:44  fe[nl]ix: ah, that's good. I've just never used iolib before, sorry for stupid questions.
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12:28:41  hitecnologys: it's wasn't a stupid question
12:28:46  pretty reasonable, actually
12:28:55  the main page is broken
12:29:02  I see.
12:29:20  so you didn't see the link to the documentation
12:29:34  I just thought that migrating from usocket to iolib might be a good idea so I decided to look for docs because I couldn't compile ones by myself.
12:30:26 clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has joined #lisp
12:30:36  Thanks for help, eudoxia and fe[nl]ix.
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12:31:43  Just one more question: is iolib somehow better than usocket?
12:32:42  I've been planning to move to Sphynx but I don't have time now
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12:33:25  hitecnologys: it's far more complete
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12:35:37  fe[nl]ix: that's good. usocket lacked lots of things like, for example, sane async requests handler.
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12:39:56  hitecnologys: did you manage to install the latest version ?
12:40:12  not the one in quicklisp, which is too old
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12:41:14  fe[nl]ix: cloned it from git repo. Is this one latest?
12:41:21  yes
12:41:25  Good.
12:41:33  any problems with libfixposix ?
12:42:15  Unfortunately, I haven't tried running it yet. Is there any standard set of tests to make sure everything works fine?
12:42:33  (asdf:test-system :iolib)
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12:47:22  It can't load lfp.h to compile correctly, what should I install?
12:47:39  It is libfixposix?
12:48:17  yes
12:48:21  see http://article.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.iolib.devel/425
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12:49:51  Damn, no ebuilds for gentoo. Looks like I should write one by myself.
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12:51:01  hitecnologys: it only depends on glibc and it's standard autoconf-based
12:51:42  fe[nl]ix: I see. That makes things a lot easier.
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12:52:24  hitecnologys: inherit autotools ; src_configure() { eautoreconf; } should suffice
12:53:12  hitecnologys: actually that should be src_prepare
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12:53:44  Nah, I like to auto versions and all this fancy stuff.
12:53:50  s/to//
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12:53:56  Ah.
12:54:03  s/auto//
12:54:23  Didn't notice these words.
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13:08:12  All compiles and passes all tests, thanks for help.
13:08:36  And here's ebuild, if somebody cares: https://gist.github.com/HiTECNOLOGYs/6975319
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12:44:55  hi
12:45:01  please help,  how can I add a column to a listview in commonqt?
12:45:16  I used #_addColumn but it seems there's no such method
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13:19:25  Hello , sorry , why lisp is suitable for artificial programming ?
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13:20:24  *sorry , artificial intelligence programming
13:20:57  Elec_A: there is really nothing magical ai-related
13:21:08  It's just that Lisp grew out of the MIT AI community
13:22:31  loke: you mean no benefits at all ?
13:23:12  Elec_A: Well, Lisp is a good language. It's extremely flexible (arguably more so than any other language), so it's useful for that, as well as other things.
13:23:13  loke: and i can do anything with lisp that i can do with other ? specially in AI .
13:23:50  yes
13:24:07  Elec_A: Common Lisp is Turing-complete, as is pretty much every other language out there. That means that anything you can do in language X, you can do in language Y.
13:24:09  any turing-complete language at least
13:24:15  yeah, what he said ^^
13:24:45  That said, I wouldn't want to write pretty much anything in languages like Brainfuck, Unlambda, Befunge, PHP...
13:25:04  haha :P
13:25:40  loke , w|t : thanks , is it possible to compile lisp codes to embedded systems and AVRs or ARMs ?
13:26:02  Elec_A: depends on the power of the target system.
13:26:10  what is most common used Lisp's Compiler ?
13:26:23  clisp and sbcl are pretty popular
13:26:37  dunno about their performance on embedded systems
13:26:42  Elec_A: technically, you _can_, but to reap the benefits of Lisp you really need a full runtime, which is larger than that of C, for example.
13:27:20  ECL works pretty well on ARM
13:27:46  loke: i think a processor with 24MHz or higher will do the job .
13:28:25  Elec_A: it all depends on what you want to do. Most Common Lisps compile to native machine code.
13:28:35  (the notable exception is Clisp)
13:28:42  loke , w|t  thanks , and what to do you suggest to start Lisp ? any good book ?
13:28:56  Elec_A: Practical Common Lisp by Peter Seibel
13:29:08  http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/
13:29:15  Full book available online there
13:29:15  that, and also 'on lisp' is good
13:30:18  loke: thank ;)
13:30:38  w|t: thanks ;)
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13:56:31  please help,  how can I add a column to a listview in commonqt?
13:56:33  I used #_addColumn but it seems there's no such method
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14:31:40  does slime provide a facility to show the the variables created during a session?
14:31:56  and the objects
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14:33:18  When I create some object with a make- function and then want to refer back to that object without storing it in explicitely I can use *, but this only works once. Can I somehow refer to this using some shortcut or do I need to explicitely assign it?
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14:36:34  sepi``: If you could do that, you would run out of memory in no time.  The garbage collector would be useless, because there would never be any garbage.
14:36:52  beach: ok, true
14:37:36  wait, when the object is printed in my repl buffer, I can still access it anyway
14:37:46  so it can't be collected
14:38:18  Yes, SLIME holds on to a certain number of objects that are displayed interactively.  I don't know whether there is a limit to how many.
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14:40:17  sepi``: there's this presentations thing available. However I never used it. Try looking into that.
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14:45:26  beach: sure, I expected the delay :-)  That said, we can probably start having something intersting by implementing the environments you proposed over standard CL.  I may be too strongly influenced by the security features of capabilities :-)
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14:47:06  rk[U-26C4]: In general, it's not possible to get back a reference to a function whose reference (by redefining a binding to it) has been lost.
14:47:18  hitecnologys: a, thanks I'll have a look
14:47:23  rk[U-26C4]: you need to be proactive, and save the old function object somewhere.
14:47:45  (defvar *original-exit* (function exit)) (defun exit  (funcall *original-exit*))
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14:52:43  hitecnologys: slime-next/previous-presentation with slime-copy-presentation-at-point-to-repl is about what I wanted
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14:57:44  sepi``: actually, it works thrice: * ** and ***
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14:58:14  sepi``: you can also use your mouse to inspect stuff.
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14:58:19  that said, if you want, you can write yourself a REPL that would keep, say 1000 last results.
14:58:45  Notice that slime does that (perhaps it's a contrib), keeping the values outputed in the repl as "presentation" that you can click to refer them again.
14:59:12  Middle-click
14:59:24  pjb: yeah, but if I repeatedly want to call a function with the same argument i'll need to use the presentation
14:59:37  Of course.
15:00:38  pjb: I'd find it nice to have some command where I can search for a presentation like with i-switch-b or similar
15:01:47  C-s and C-r work in slime repl buffers.
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15:18:06  but then I don't see the completions in a few lines
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16:22:50  How do I use a specific value of a special variable in a thunk? What I use in the moment is: (let ((v *standard-output*)) (lambda () (do-something v)))
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16:25:11  didi: hu?
16:25:19  didi: what are you actually trying to do?
16:25:47  But yeah, if you're trying to do what I think you're trying to do, then yes. You're doing it right.
16:25:54  loke: Actually, exactly what my example shows.
16:26:01  loke: Oh, nice. Thanks.
16:26:32  didi: that pattern is usually needed if you want to have a thread pront somehting to *STANDARD-OUTPUT* for example, since it's rebound when a thread is created:
16:26:48  loke: Ah-ha. Stop reading my mind.
16:26:55  loke: That's what I'm doing.
16:26:56  (let ((out *standard-output*)) (make-thread #'(lambda () (format out "Message from a thread"))))
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16:28:35  Is it possible to get current domain in hunchentoot? I want to make use of subdomains to modify behaviour.
16:28:53  Another way I sometimes use is to have a (defparameter *out* (make-broadcast-stream)). Then I print to *OUT*, and I can enable the output by SETQ'ing it to *STANDARD-OUTPUT*. I suppose I should be using a proper logging framework, but I have never found the need for that.
16:29:06  hitecnologys: "current domain"?
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16:29:39  loke: I mean domain on which server is running.
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16:29:59  hitecnologys: That would not be a feature of Hunchentoot.
16:30:08  hitecnologys: and the anser is no.
16:30:52  hitecnologys: Sometimes you can figure it out by reversing the IP address of the destination, but that's not guaranteed to give you anything useful.
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16:31:14  loke: so, I have to run listener for each subdomain manually, right?
16:31:32  hitecnologys: Well, yes.
16:31:58  hitecnologys: normally you have a front-end server as well that handles the domain stuff
16:33:04  loke: yeah, sane people use this approach, but don't consider myself as sane.
16:33:15  loke: well, OK, thanks for help.
16:33:17  hitecnologys: you and me both
16:34:00  loke: why can't hunchentoot extract this domain name from url or something?
16:34:37  loke: sorry if the question is stupid, I just don't quite understand how this domain stuff works.
16:35:25  hitecnologys: Because the HTTP query does not contain a domain
16:35:49  If I go to http://www.foo.com/xyz then the browser will look up www.foo.com, connect to it, and send a request GET /xyz
16:35:58  the GET part is what Hunchentoot receives
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16:36:16  Oh hang on a second
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16:36:47  It may actually get that information now that I think about it
16:37:21  I thought that domain name is sent with query. I was wrong?
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16:37:40  hitecnologys: You're right. It's sent in a header
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16:38:07  Yeah, there is a "Host" header field
16:38:20  Check section 14.23, here:
16:38:23  http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec14.html
16:38:31  loke: so, I just read this field and that's it?
16:38:53  hitecnologys: I don't know. As you might have figured out, I have neved needed to do this
16:39:24  loke: hm, OK, I'll try both approaches. Thank you very much.
16:39:25  but the function HUNCHENTOOT:HOST seems to be what you're looking for
16:39:35  the documentation for it says "Returns the 'Host' incoming http header value."
16:39:55  I see.
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16:43:41  loke: Oh, cool idea. I'll try it.
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16:53:44  On SBCL, is there anyway to bring up the last set of commands that we entered by pressing the "up" arrow on our keyboard?
16:54:33  slime does that.
16:54:48  And slime is good for you.
16:54:53  BAMbanda: If you are running SBCL from a shell, wrap it using rlwrap.
16:55:17  SLIME is tha bomb tho.
16:55:52  Eh, I like using vim, do you know how I can have something similar for vim?
16:56:06  it's called slimv I believe
16:56:07  BAMbanda: slimv?
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16:56:21  I don't know how similar it is really, slime is quite great
16:56:30 *didi* <3 slime
16:56:43  hehe
16:57:02  i will try slimv, i don't like emacs. (I'm sure its great for those who use it), I just dont like the feel i get from it =P
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16:57:27  BAMbanda: There are multiple vim modes for Emacs. You might want to try some.
16:57:32  SLIME makes me so sad to work in C, where I keep wanting to have C-M-x and M-. and M-, to just work
16:58:05  well there's etags for the latter.
16:58:12  yeah you can have the vim editor in the Emacs environment, the latest and greatest for that seems to be named "evil"
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16:58:26  on big projects I'm using cscope
16:58:40  I like working in the terminal! vim has one my heart
16:58:43  doesn't feel as good as slime, should try something else
16:58:54  $ vim file1 file2 file3 and its on :)
16:58:57  BAMbanda: You can use Emacs from a terminal too.
16:59:01  BAMbanda: I prefer M-x shell, where I have my terminals within Emacs
16:59:03  Ahaha
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16:59:28  hmmm, text editor wars, not my fancy, but I do appreciate the recommendation
16:59:36  ill play with emacs on the terminal one of these days
16:59:38  it's better IMO if the output of your terminal is searchable (with C-r and all) and copy-past'able from the keyboard without efforts
16:59:39  anyway you can use the rlwrap stuff if you just want to use sbcl by itself. just know that's a bit abnormal.
17:00:08  k, thanks guys
17:00:24  well you would be missing out on all the parts of the classic Common Lisp workflow that makes it so proficient in my view
17:00:37  dim: screen can do that for you.
17:00:58  I think you really want to be able to redefine function and classses on the fly and just continue playing with the new definitions in the REPL, Slime is really great for that
17:01:14  didi: nothing as good as M-x shell, even with tmux which is already better than screen
17:01:23  dim: Right.
17:01:39  The first part. I've never used tmux, so I don't know.
17:01:40  alright guys, I shall use SLIME
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17:02:02  tmux is like screen with the right level of setup by default, if you just want the basics
17:02:39  how do i open a terminal version of emacs (non-gui)?
17:02:39  Oh, right. Screen default for escape is not good.
17:02:48  BAMbanda: emacs -nw
17:02:54   thanks
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17:03:43  it kills my heart that I can't move around with (hjkl)
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17:04:09  screen status' line is empty by default, too
17:04:23  BAMbanda: by default, C-f C-b C-n and C-p
17:04:28  BAMbanda: M-x evil should let you be happy.
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17:04:36  BAMbanda: Try some vim mode. Like dim pointed out, "evil" is the popular choice at the moment. Also, #emacs is friendly.
17:04:57  cool
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17:25:12  pjb: I am actually writing a LaTeX version of a more extensive spec, addressing the issues you mention.  It will take me some time, though :(
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18:02:05  rather than seeing what a macro expands into, is there also a way to see how the actual macro was originally written?
18:02:32  i've checked the hyperspec and there's nothing there, so i'm guessing it's implementation dependent?
18:03:19  You mean get the source for a macro function?
18:03:47  er, yeah
18:03:51  that answers the second question :P
18:04:12  i'll dig into clisp and see what i can find
18:04:35  that's as implementation dependent as getting any function's source, yeah.
18:04:38  clhs function-lambda-expression
18:04:38  http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_fn_lam.htm
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18:48:52  haz1: that would be: (function-lambda-expression (macro-function 'your-macro))
18:49:36  clhs function-lambda-expression
18:49:36  http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_fn_lam.htm
18:50:27  But ccl and sbcl don't keep the lambda expression of macros around.
18:50:55  haz1: Have a look at ibcl Image Based Development http://www.informatimago.com/develop/lisp/com/informatimago/small-cl-pgms/ibcl/index.html
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19:02:16  ah, fancy :D
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19:04:21  i found some definitions in defboot.lisp in the sbcl source code, a bit more complicated than i thought as there's a lot of low-level stuff happening
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19:06:27  well, the definitions themselves are fine, but i'm trying to figure out how defmacro-mundanely was written
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19:10:48  anyone know how stable sbcl 1.1.12 is in windows VS the windows fork?
19:11:32  which is stuck in 1.1.4 for a while
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19:14:10 <|JRG|> resttime: working fine here
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19:17:50  hmmm, sounds like i should finally try switching again
19:18:19  i remember an earlier version newer than the windows fork would crash sometimes with threading operations
19:19:32 <|JRG|> resttime: hmm... actually did not test threading extensively
19:20:22 <|JRG|> resttime: but slime is working great
19:21:13  kk
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19:22:23  haz1: with slime, if you just type M-. on the name of the macro, it should jump to its source.
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19:32:04  haz1: you have to place the cursor on the name :)
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19:34:38  on linux, how can I find my sbcl install directory?
19:35:27  BAMbanda: What distribution are you using?
19:35:57  BAMbanda: Well, regardless, type in a shell: which sbcl
19:36:01  sbcl 1.1.1.0.debian
19:36:33  thanks, got it
19:36:47  dpkg --listfiles sbcl
19:37:09  which is a lot simpler haha
19:37:20  "which" is a lot simpler, what didi recommended
19:37:42  They do different things.
19:38:01  dtw, right i just needed the install dir, "which" suffices
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19:47:35  I should have listened to you guys earlier, slime is pretty cool
19:47:52  now you might burn in hell for this
19:48:30  I seek refuge in God from that, maybe I'll end up in heaven. May God guide us all there. Ameeeeeeeeen.
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19:48:42  :)
19:48:53  BAMbanda: Enjoy! And happy hacking. :^)
19:49:05  didi, likewise!
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19:50:36  St. Ignucius be with you
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19:53:06  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S76pHIYx3ik
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20:01:00  Posterdati, see I'm Muslim, and I believe strongly in God. This is a irc group about LISP, I will not get into a theological debate with you, but I find that link disrespectful. I understand it is out of humour, but I don't find it funny.
20:06:07  well you can't have a theological debate with me, because muslims hasn't got a theology
20:09:24  Posterdati, thats the most ignorant thing you can say. Now I know that I could never take you seriously. You obviously don't know how to read. God instructs us to say peace to those who are ignorant. So peace.
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20:12:26  is there a cl-who package in quicklisp?
20:13:01  BAMbanda: You can search for packages in quicklisp with `ql-dist:system-apropos'
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20:13:46  BAMbanda: But asking your question, /yes/.
20:14:04  s/asking/answering
20:14:14  didi, gotcha, thanks
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20:36:55  hi
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20:38:00  BAMbanda: that's because this is an IRC channel about lisp you started writing about your faith and God, but who cares?
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20:38:39  religious flame? In #lisp? Damn
20:38:53  Denommus: no, not at all
20:39:09  Posterdati: what happened?
20:39:16  Denommus: someone got hurt by a st. Ignucius video on youtube
20:39:57  uh... why would anyone be hurt by that?
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20:41:37  Denommus: http://pastebin.com/yjfKfPLG
20:41:59  Denommus: http://pastebin.com/yjfKfPLG
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20:46:43  Denommus: I'm too old and tired for all this
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20:50:05  How come Emacs says that "ps" is undefined when I run (ps (+ 1 3)), I loaded "parentscript" via quickload
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20:52:19  BAMbanda: try (ps:ps ...)
20:52:42  BAMbanda: it's in the parenscript package (which has a nickname ps)
20:53:07  adeht, yeah that works, do you know how I can make that package always available so I can type without the ":"?
20:53:16  (use-package :ps)
20:53:35  but it's a better idea to have your own package that uses it (or imports symbols from it)
20:53:52  e.g., (defpackage :my-package (:use :cl :ps)) (in-package :my-package) 
20:54:11  adeht, ok thats a good idea. Is all of this convered in the book "Practical Common Lisp"?
20:54:15  yes
20:54:24  BAMbanda: yes, you should read about packages
20:54:24  alright
20:54:31  http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/programming-in-the-large-packages-and-symbols.html
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20:54:43  cool, sounds good
20:55:01  BAMbanda: the term "package" is similar to how Java calls packages. That is, they're like C++'s namespaces. What Ruby and Python call a "package" is a "system" in Common Lisp
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20:55:42  BAMbanda: that tends to confuse beginners, but it is really simple. You can have a system with lots of packages, a package that is used across systems, and etc
20:55:49  Denommus, ahh ok, I'll keep my eye out for that
20:56:14  you can read http://weitz.de/packages.html if you have trouble with the terminology
20:56:28  awesome! thanks
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20:57:58  BAMbanda: when you load something through quickload, that's a system. The system will have at least one package. Every time you use a package, you have to either be explicit about it, or import it to your own package, as adeht have said
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20:59:12  right, thanks again for the clarification
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21:02:02  BAMbanda: you may also find http://www.xach.com/lisp/quickproject/ useful
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21:04:28  adeht, cool I bookmarked it. There are so many resources for Lisp online, its comforting
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21:04:51  now I just need a quiet room and I can hack away!
21:05:04  BAMbanda: everythings work?
21:05:30  Zagaba, yup w'ere in business
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21:05:59  Ahah! Nice job!
21:06:27 *rszeno* never assume that will work until it work, :)
21:06:54  Zagaba, thanks for your patience and help man, I appreciate it
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21:07:03  slime is definitely potent
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21:07:49  Well no problem.
21:10:27  BAMbanda: slime is certainly amazing, I have been hacking in CL for almost one year, and I'm still amazed by it
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21:26:46  there is a guy porting ECL's backend to LLVM, right?
21:27:05  do you think it would be possible to create a JS backend for it, too?
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21:34:17  technically, yes. We are, after all, still lacking reasons to push for more powerful hw, right?
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22:15:06  Hi, I'm wondering how do I get only the immediate parent directory name, I want to be able to express an Absolute path in relation to another directory. I have only been able to do the 'inverse', extract the common part of both paths: http://paste.lisp.org/display/139669
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22:54:07 <|3b|> clhs enough-namestring
22:54:07  http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_namest.htm
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22:54:16 <|3b|> PuercoPop: ^ that?
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23:29:16  |3b|: Thanks, I wasn't aware of it!
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23:35:25  pjb: looks like i'm gonna have to run through the emacs tutorial tonight then, i'm primarily a vim user :p
23:35:40  i realise slimv is out there, but i'd rather have the original thing
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12:07:52  If it possible design a clojure-style 'cond' macro. (cond-clojure (cond1 then1) (cond2 then2)) -> (cond ((cond1 then1) (cond2 then2)))
12:08:51  cond is already like that
12:09:03  (cond ((cond1 then1) (cond2 then2))) is not a legal syntax
12:10:17  stassats: you means it is impossible?
12:10:26  what is?
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12:11:22  design a clojure-style 'cond'. less '(' and ')'
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12:11:57  you sound confused
12:12:29  or you're confusing me, because that description you gave doesn't make any sense
12:13:04  o, yes, I write a error syntax of clojure-style
12:13:19  and i just looked up the clojure cond, and it looks stupid
12:13:29  clojure-style 'cond' is (cond cond1 then1 cond2 then2)
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12:14:24  Yes, I have same sense. It is so strange.
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12:16:58  I have an android tablet that I have put youtube app on. When I try to sign into youtubr it says an error occurred. Is there anything I can do to fix this? I did not get the app from Google Play as Google Play does not support my brand of tablet
12:17:20  LLckfan2: wrong channel by a long shot
12:17:36  excuse me
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12:19:47  lol
12:24:58  ,(length obarray)
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12:45:57  Paul Graham in his Arc language made the same style "if". (if cond1 then1 cond2 then2 ...). And I have got an impression that he is setisfied with this form
12:46:33  What is strange in it?
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12:55:19  Hi, has anyone implemented 2D and 3D Fouriertransforms in Common Lisp? Right now, I'm wondering if I should try to implement my own using napa-fft3 or simply call cl-fftw3.
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12:57:34  I was wondering if anyone can give me tips on learning multiple languages with multiple paradigms simultaneously? I just got into lisp and have been hearing great things about it. Slime is awesome. I also have always wanted to learn c, since many things which include the linux kernal is written in it
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13:11:05  BAMbanda: Regardless of the language you might want to pick up some project that interests you, try to understand what is happening in there and modify it to get the hang of it (the project and the language).
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13:12:29  minion: PCL
13:12:29  PCL: pcl-book: "Practical Common Lisp", an introduction to Common Lisp by Peter Seibel, available at http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/ and in dead-tree form from Apress (as of 11 April 2005).
13:12:41  BAMbanda: you might wanna read this ^
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13:13:00  spacefrogg, thanks. good "practical" advice :)
13:14:55  i've installed emacs with slime and sbcl on a new system. i'm trying to get tab completion/suggestion working, could someone point me at how to do that?
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13:15:58  nydel_: did you read http://common-lisp.net/project/slime/doc/html/index.html#Top
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13:41:59  if you have a list, how can you access individual elements inside it? and change it or delete it
13:42:04  thanks ipmonger, it was as easy as that i wasn't in slime-mode lol
13:42:17  BAMbanda: (setf car) (setf cdr)
13:42:23  (setf nth)
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13:43:01  cool thanks, stassats
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13:44:06  see also, REMOVE/DELETE
13:44:19  and remove/delete-duplicates
13:44:39  and things like union/intersection
13:45:20 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds]
13:45:31  can we create a macro like this: ([2] list) to access the second element (car(cdr list))
13:45:44  (second list)
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13:46:00  how far do those numbers extend to?
13:46:04  ten
13:46:09  or (cadr list)
13:46:12  and (car (cdr list)) == (cadr lis) == (second list) == (nth 1 list) == (elt list 1)
13:46:27  Indexing into lists is usually a bad idea anyway.
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13:46:38  ggole, why do you say that?
13:46:46  and such a macro would really look out of place
13:47:01  it seems intuitive to me ://
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13:47:18  Use an array if you want indexing.
13:47:23  if you're just learning lisp, try refraining from the urge to improve it
13:48:02  stassats, you are right about that, the whole thing about extensibility heightened my ambitions and desire for control
13:48:14  what happened for me is that somehow the (add-hook) code that does (slime-mode t) for lisp-mode and inferior-lisp-mode didn't get added to .emacs or some other .el
13:48:42  usually that happens during slime install i thought. could be because this system is centos and i used yum to install everything.
13:48:48  this doesn't happen
13:49:02  slime does that itself
13:49:18  but there's no inferior-lisp-mode
13:50:27  BAMbanda: the desire to change things should be counterbalanced by the desire to share things
13:50:44  if everybody used their own languages, there would be no cooperation
13:50:44  it doesn't happen? if that's so i must've unwittingly modified my .emacs
13:50:56  there does seem to be an inferior-slime-mode
13:51:37  slime automatically associates lisp-mode with slime-mode
13:52:10  i know. that's how i immediately recognized the problem upon looking at .emacs. the add-hook line wasn't there after instal via yum on centos5
13:52:19  it was never needed
13:52:38  at least in the past 6 years
13:53:26  by whatever means it's working now. what were ya'll talking about, something about control and use of various languages?
13:53:50  and inferior-slime-mode is a contrib, which purpose i fail to see, given that slime-repl will give you a better experience
13:54:39  i haven't ever used inferior-slime-mode, was unaware of it until i saw it in one of my .emacs's on someone else's system
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13:54:57  goodness i do love slime by the by.
13:55:09  your .emacs?
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13:55:55  stassats: not that i totally agree with it, but the point of inferior-slime-mode is to get some of the slime bindings in an allegro repl (at least, that's what i think it was at first) which has/had a lot of convenience stuff slime didn't/doesn't have
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13:56:07  yes, i mean one of my shell account's emacs config file generated by some automated account-creation that is inaccesible to me
13:56:34  the "slime-repl will give you a beter experience" isn't always true (not that i've checked out allegro's repl in the last 5 years...)
13:56:35  fwiw
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13:57:03  i kind of wish allegro would go away. please don't hit me.
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13:57:22  nydel_ allegro is awesome. Web3.0
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13:58:09  BAMbanda: hmm. how's sbcl development vis a vis web3.0
13:58:19  SBCL is on WEB5.0 already
13:58:35  ;)
13:58:39  and HTML6½
14:01:06  i guess i feel like allegro is the biggest thing linking cl to closed source microsoftisms and etc
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14:01:51  "closed source microsoftisms"
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14:02:57 *rszeno* vs. "open source oracle", :)
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14:13:25  well.. do we have any *nix developers in house that hop on a new system and think "gotta get my allegro on here right away!" or does that thought seem a little absurd
14:13:27  minion: memo for sszzqq: http://paste.lisp.org/+2ZRW
14:13:28  Remembered. I'll tell sszzqq when he/she/it next speaks.
14:14:06  nydel_: I don't know, but emacs and clisp are the first things I install when I hop on a new system, ccl coming close next.
14:14:47  Usually, emacs is installed on my new systems even BEFORE the system is finished installed.
14:14:59  Usualy before it's even booted for the first time.
14:15:05  ogamita, is emacs your preferred editor?
14:15:29  why do you say "preferred"? Is there anything else than emacs?
14:15:37  THE editor.
14:15:48  because i might say "is there anything else than sbcl?" to an emacs user.
14:15:54  clisp?
14:16:01  i don't dislike clisp but i just wonder why you prefer it
14:16:04  minion: memo for sszzqq: you shouldn't play with obarrays like that.  They're very special data structures, that you cannot entirely introspect from lisp.
14:16:04  Remembered. I'll tell sszzqq when he/she/it next speaks.
14:16:36  nydel_: I have my scripts written in clisp, since it's boot time is (or was, when I benchmarked it) the fastest.
14:16:39  minion: memo for nydel: congratulations, you figured out where the hell you left yourself logged in.
14:16:39  Remembered. I'll tell nydel when he/she/it next speaks.
14:16:39  nydel_, memo from nydel_: congratulations, you figured out where the hell you left yourself logged in.
14:17:17  ogamita: scripts for web applications or other
14:17:41  minion: memo for sszzqq: Instead of using obarrays directly, use dosymbols, intern, and find-symbol.
14:17:42  Remembered. I'll tell sszzqq when he/she/it next speaks.
14:17:43  unix scripts.
14:17:58  web applications are written in hunchentoot, usually with sbcl.
14:18:38  okay i can see that then, for other-than-cgi type stuff
14:19:42  ogamita: since you use lisp for scripting, maybe you know - is there an easy way to get quicklisp loading packages in a cgi sbcl script?
14:19:49  nydel_: acl generates pretty small executables and its startup time is good enough that allegrograph's command line tools are written in Lisp
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14:21:06  fe[nl]ix: i know this is stupid, but, i guess i don't want to be someone who writes executables.
14:21:44  it is stupid
14:21:56  wildly stupid.
14:22:18  BAMbanda: that said, while ([42] list) or ([(1+ i)] list) is not such a good idea, there's nothing preventing you to implement it. It'd be rather easy in fact.
14:22:57  then again i do think the buddhist monks who spend days drawing intricate mandalas out of colored sands, only to then wipe them away, are onto something.
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14:27:34  maybe i should give allegro more of a chance. if i email sales@franz and say "i'm just some hacker trying to get an information fix and i found myself speaking ill of your product, goes without saying i've not $600 for whimsical downloads.." will they give me a license?
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14:29:04  BAMbanda: http://paste.lisp.org/+2ZRX
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14:29:47  nydel_: they probably will.  Just improve a little your elevator speach.
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14:30:33  nydel_: but first, the question is why you'd want a closed source CL implementation when there are perfectly good freedom or open source ones.
14:31:18  ogamita: i don't. there's a part of me that wants to give them the opportunity to turn me on to closed source. i think it's the open source part of me.
14:32:01  and i will write that email. and i'll improve the speech and include detailed abstracts of my research past and present etc.
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14:34:46  For example, the current ecl maintainer has to steop down, being too busy elsewhere.  He's Spanish.  In Spain, a programmer is paid 1200 euro/month.  If you can find 11 other people who'd want 24/24 365/365 CL support, you could bring together the yearly salary of a Spanish programmer to go on maintain and support all 12 of you for a year :-)
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14:36:55  that is awesome. haha.
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14:39:55  I should probably do that.  I could just do that in four months
14:42:46  when you say that in spain a programmer is paid 1200 euro, how exactly do you produce such a standardized quantitative figure?
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14:46:53  I lived in Spain for 10+ years.  But you can use google: http://www.javahispano.org/encuesta-laboral-2012-espana
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14:47:47  you mean a java programmer is payed with 1200?
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14:50:18  Well, ok, a little more.  50% of them are paid between 20 k and 30 k.
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14:53:34  i found this, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_in_Europe_by_monthly_average_wage
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14:55:31  but i suspect is not truth
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15:00:27  Yes, doesn't looks right at all.  It could be what the employers pay.  But what the employees get is much less than that.
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15:01:14  (Employers divert 50%-75% of what they pay for an employee to the state and SS).
15:02:11  ogamita: 75%?  where's that?
15:02:36  France
15:02:52  average is a reference, people usualy get more or less, are a lot of factors involved
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15:03:33  hi H4ns :)
15:03:43  fe[nl]ix: hi :)
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15:13:08  what is the maximum number of elements a list can hold?
15:13:27  I'm getting an error, when I try to push a bunch of elements to a list defined with '()
15:13:47  (I'm using push)
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15:14:56  there is no limit, error come from something else
15:15:02  BAMbanda: this might be because your literal list is unfolded into a list of arguments to a function. The amount of those are restricted.
15:15:37  I'm entering (push "el1" "el2"......"el30" listname)
15:16:18 <|JRG|> clhs push
15:16:18  http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/m_push.htm
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15:16:19  that's not how push works.
15:16:23  BAMbanda: seems to match. the limit is CALL-ARGUMENTS-LIMIT
15:16:51  hmmm, i'll read the push spec
15:17:07  BAMbanda: you maybe want nconc
15:17:13  clhs nconc
15:17:13  http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_nconc.htm
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15:18:38 <|JRG|> BAMbanda: or loop/iter and the collect clause
15:18:56 -!- Harag [~Thunderbi@ti-227-154-112.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]
15:19:11  (setf listname (nconc "el1" .... "eln"))
15:19:34  whats the difference between setf and setq?
15:19:36 <|JRG|> rszeno: that won't work
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15:19:47 <|JRG|> elements must be lists
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15:20:19  so nconc, will contatenate lists
15:20:21  it dosn't? possible i did test it
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15:20:38  yes, lists not items, :)
15:21:01  my fault
15:21:33 <|JRG|> BAMbanda: just push one element a time
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15:21:50  |JRG|, that should suffice
15:22:09  If it's a variable, (setq foo (list* a b c foo)) should do
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15:24:33  |JRG|, you are right, my second mistake was about using setf without a predefined variable
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16:16:21  Are storing forms for setf always supposed to return the value stored?
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16:16:54  That is to say can I rely on (setf foo bar) => #
16:17:37  That's the convention.
16:21:13 <|3b|> they are specified to do so
16:22:03  the documentation for setf expanders is so spread out in the hyperspec
16:22:21  maybe someday I'll collect all I've learned into an article or something, just for my own reference
16:22:56  5.1.2 has a lot of it, but not all
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17:08:40  hi
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17:12:48  jasom: You should.
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17:39:22  .w9
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20:08:35  hmm, it seems like it would be possible to write a dsl for writing generators in
20:08:47  where if you only use control-structures defined by the dsl you can do a yield
20:10:12  I just ported a couple generators from python, and the source transformation was mechanical, if tedious.  It's probably possible to do as a source-transform for a large subset of common-lisp, but I *really* don't want to handle (loop) which would make it kind of useless
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20:12:11  Hey I have a question about Hadoop. I keep getting IOException when I run a mapreduce job. I know this is the wrong section to ask for help, but I need some tips
20:12:34  lisp_noob: Wrong channel?
20:13:03  lisp_noob: try #hadoop
20:14:25  jasom: you mean, iterate?
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20:15:12  Fare: ??
20:16:44  Fare: that lets you use generator,s it doesn't necessarily make it easier to write them, right?
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20:16:44  I tried #hadoop, lol no one wants to help >.<
20:17:27  there's a cl loop alternative based on generators -- what's its name, if not iterate?
20:18:37  SERIES
20:19:07  http://series.sourceforge.net/
20:19:22  That's the one that was in CLtL2, but didn't go into ANSI (sadly).
20:19:30  you can download it
20:19:39  I want to learn it one day.
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20:19:53  sometimes it's better if it's not in ANSI — that means it can be fixed
20:20:06  imagine that ASDF had been in ANSI, and thus unfixable — eeech
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20:21:08 *didi* *nods*
20:21:22  Fare: But Series has been about as stagnant as ANSI CL, no? ;)
20:22:47  Fare: yeah, that's actually pretty close to what I want
20:24:15  though not quite.  I was thinking something less functional
20:24:17  is there a lispy way to set a handler for UNDEFINED-FUNCTION in a package? curious if I can capture the name of the function they were trying to call, look to see there's a program in their shell's path with that name, and call it with TRIVIAL-SHELL::SHELL-COMMAND
20:24:30  you can't set global handlers, no
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20:26:57  yeah... dun even know how you could use a package like that
20:27:01  hurm.
20:27:14  SERIES was edited as recently as 3 years ago... http://series.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/series/series/
20:27:32  imagine it being cast in stone in each and every implementation, each with its own bugs...
20:28:11  j_king, use UIOP:RUN-PROGRAM and/or INFERIOR-SHELL:RUN
20:28:18  would be neat to do some lispy-shell scripting. (cat "/home/user/sekrets.txt")
20:28:24  friends don't let friends use TRIVIAL-SHELL
20:28:29  Fare: thanks. :)
20:28:42  and yes, INFERIOR-SHELL:RUN *is* neat for shell scripting
20:28:57  be sure to use the latest version, based on UIOP 3.0.3
20:29:02  Fare: Has the interface changed that recently, or just the implementation? (BTW, I am definitely not advocating that Series should have been in ANSI)
20:29:06  it handles input and error-output as well as output
20:29:29  the interface was much improved with a slight backward incompatibility in some corner cases
20:29:46  you mean, the interface to series? I don't know.
20:29:52  probably not much, if at all.
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20:29:58  I was thinking something that could transform this: (progn (when x (yield x)) (when y (yield y))) so handling the non-functional style
20:30:05  Fare: Yeah, Series  the part that would have been mentioned in the spec.
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20:30:28  j_king: Racket has %app for that, but CL doesn't.
20:30:41  Fare: only interested in CL ;)
20:31:34  sellout: I don't know but the release notes mention new features http://series.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/series/series/RELEASE-NOTES?view=markup
20:34:03  j_king: you can use reader-interception and have your own reader, based on which you can implement your own %app ...
20:34:07  (semi-joking)
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20:34:40  Fare: that might be the way, but inferior-shell is looking pretty good.
20:34:59  I use it for all my shell scripting needs, these days
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20:35:37  once again, be sure to use uiop 3.0.3 or later, for proper input and error-output redirection.
20:35:49  the latest inferior-shell depends on that.
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20:42:59  pushed a patch to inferior-shell so its .asd does the version-checking
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20:49:30 *j_king* nods.
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21:17:13  In CLOSS, can you call the parent's `initialize-instance'? As each `initialize-instance' should use `:after', I'm guessing not.
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21:19:02  didi: (call-next-method)?
21:19:24  sellout-: I doesn't work because of `:after'.
21:19:28  s/I/It
21:19:42  what do you mean it doesn't work?
21:19:43  didi: What exactly do you want to do?
21:19:55  Right, let me explain it.
21:19:55  Why should they use :after?
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21:20:04  pjb: Because of PCL?
21:20:08  Just use a normal around method with (call-next-method) first.
21:20:23  Don't believe blindly what you read on the web!
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21:22:19  How do I see/get the :default external-format that load/compile uses? I'm having trouble compiling ppcre-Unicode on one of my machines but not others. All same versions of everything. Wondering it it's pulling system info and what it is seeing.
21:23:08  it's :default. do you mean what :default is?
21:23:15  Yes
21:23:18 <|3b|> probably depends on LOCALE env var or asdf version
21:23:19  Hum. I'll try using `:around'.
21:23:31  Is it ASCII, UTF8, etc
21:23:32  didi: it would help if you explained what you're doing.
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21:23:59  Bike: OK. I didn't want to bore you, but let me try it.
21:23:59  I want to see what :default is
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21:24:42 *|3b|* though asdf started forcing utf8 at some point (or at least was going to if it didn't break too many things)
21:24:55 <|3b|> *thought
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21:29:26  I have classes that match foreign classes. Each class has its own set of properties. There is a hierarchy of classes. I want to be able to set these properties at construction time but it's not a matter of offering slots as I have to call foreign functions to affect the foreign object. So my design is: The base class has a `pointer' slot. When I instantiate a object down the hierarchy, I make a foreign call and I setf this pointer
21:29:27  slot. I was thinking then in calling each parent `initialize-instance'. If the pointer slot is nil, it calls its own foreign constructor. If it's not, someone has already instantiate the more specific object, so now it's time to look for `&keys' to set the properties appropriate for this class.
21:29:31 *didi* *ufs*
21:30:25  Impedence mismatch between OO systems is a big problem.
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21:33:05  fortunately MOP let's us change the behaviour a lot
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21:34:11  Indeed. You could have a meta-class with which you could define slots to be foreign, along with a default value.
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21:36:08  didi: you can have your own protocol on top of initialize-instance, where one method call my-initialize and you have your own method combination on my-initialize
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21:36:41  nightshade427, starting with asdf3, utf-8 is used by default
21:36:46  i don't think i understand the description, sorry.
21:37:07  nightshade427, and starting with asdf 2.21, you can #+asdf-unicode :encoding #+asdf-unicode :utf-8
21:37:38  Any way to confirm what the current encoding is? Used for :default?
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21:37:58  no one should be using an asdf older than quicklisp's 2.26
21:38:11  asdf::*default-encoding*
21:38:36  (setf asdf::*default-encoding* :utf-8)
21:39:11  Is that the same encoding that load/compile uses? It states if not given that it used :default.
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21:39:27  it is, if you use asdf to load and compile
21:39:33  otherwise, you're on your own.
21:39:35  Okay great thanks :)
21:39:58  asdf3 has compile-file* and load* that do the right thing
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21:40:01  Anyway to tell what sbcl uses as :default? Does it get it from OS env?
21:40:08  yes, it does
21:40:18  $LANG, $LC_CTYPE, etc.
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21:40:54  Great thanks for info, huge help :)
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21:42:46  p_l, pjb: I was thinking of reading about MOP but I couldn't tell if it would help.
21:42:53  Fare: That's a nice idea. Thank you.
21:42:57  It should.
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21:43:11  Bike: That's OK. It's my fault, I'm afraid.
21:43:53  didi: with MOP, you can make metaclasses that will ensure proper constraints and behaviours with respect to the foreign classes
21:46:27  p_l: Sounds nice. I have the chapters 5 and 6 from AMOP. Is it a good reference for it?
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21:46:46  might be. I recall few papers floating around the net which might be better introduction, though
21:46:57  don't have anything noted down right now, though
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22:48:37 *jaimef* hunts for a use-package equivalent for elisp
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22:50:19  elisp doesn't have packages, does it
22:50:19  Sorry, I couldn't find anything for doesn't have packages, does it.
22:52:13  Bike: It does.
22:52:37  Bike: But as we know, "package" means different things to different projects.
22:53:13  jaimef: if you want to have some fun, you could implement CL packages over emacs lisp obarrays.
22:53:31  But some C hacking will be needed to modify the lisp reader to take pack:symb
22:53:35  and pack::symb
22:53:50  However, you can write a lot of code without needing qualified symbols.
22:54:21  The worst to deal with are keywords, since in emacs (symbol-name :toto) --> ":toto"
22:54:25  didi: i meant in the CL sense of symbols, of course...
22:54:39  Bike: Right. Then no.
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23:00:44  It has obarrays.
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