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01:49:31 -!- ASau [~user@95-27-132-224.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:49:39 -!- ramus [~ramus@c-50-132-91-53.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:49:45 -!- ASau`` [~user@95-27-132-224.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:49:49 -!- ASau` [~user@95-27-132-224.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:50:07 ianmcorvidae [~ianmcorvi@fsf/member/ianmcorvidae] has joined #lisp 01:50:12 ASau [~user@95-27-132-224.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 01:50:18 gko [gko@220-135-201-90.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 01:50:24 pjb, i thought it was global 01:50:25 herdrick [~herdrick@c-24-6-49-99.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:50:25 -!- ianmcorvidae [~ianmcorvi@fsf/member/ianmcorvidae] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:50:26 ok fixed 01:50:31 ianmcorvidae [~ianmcorvi@pool-72-79-209-191.spfdma.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 01:50:35 ramus [~ramus@c-50-132-91-53.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:50:37 -!- ianmcorvidae [~ianmcorvi@pool-72-79-209-191.spfdma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 01:50:38 ianmcorvidae [~ianmcorvi@fsf/member/ianmcorvidae] has joined #lisp 01:50:38 let is for scoped vars then 01:50:40 l_r: read clhs let 01:50:45 Yes. 01:50:53 But better than guessing, read clhs 01:51:12 i am still reading rassoc 01:51:33 use defvar or defparam for globals 01:51:47 What takes so long? THe description for rassoc is ONE line! 01:51:48 rassoc, rassoc-if, and rassoc-if-not return the first cons whose cdr satisfies the test. If no such cons is found, nil s returned. 01:52:01 defparameter 01:52:25 he needs info on cdr car also i think thats why 01:52:40 They're also oneliners... 01:53:04 take it easy on we the newbies ;) 01:54:33 samebchase [~samuel@76.73.121.203] has joined #lisp 01:54:40 kidfoo [~neena@76.73.121.203] has joined #lisp 01:55:38 -!- schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:56:20 -!- SegFaultAX|work [~mkbernard@173.228.45.162] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:58:11 -!- Yuuhi```` [benni@p5483B203.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 02:00:17 topo_ [~topo@f053032233.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 02:00:18 topo___ [~topo@f053032233.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 02:00:31 mjonsson [~mjonsson@38.109.95.133] has joined #lisp 02:00:31 -!- mjonsson [~mjonsson@38.109.95.133] has quit [Client Quit] 02:01:28 msponge [~msponge@18.189.103.48] has joined #lisp 02:01:49 -!- easyE [aI8i76D8ZT@panix2.panix.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:02:24 -!- topo__ [~topo@f053035215.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:02:24 -!- topo [~topo@f053035215.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:02:24 -!- topo_ is now known as topo 02:03:58 -!- nonduality [~nondualit@chello084114039189.14.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:10:21 -!- herdrick [~herdrick@c-24-6-49-99.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: herdrick] 02:12:00 -!- pferor``` [~user@122.Red-2-137-179.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:14:28 nefo [~nefo@58.37.43.95] has joined #lisp 02:14:28 -!- nefo [~nefo@58.37.43.95] has quit [Changing host] 02:14:28 nefo [~nefo@unaffiliated/nefo] has joined #lisp 02:16:48 -!- YuleAthas [~athas@130.225.165.40] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:19:28 am0c [~am0c@222.235.56.158] has joined #lisp 02:21:30 simplechat [~simplecha@123-243-79-139.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #lisp 02:21:30 -!- simplechat [~simplecha@123-243-79-139.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Changing host] 02:21:30 simplechat [~simplecha@unaffiliated/simplechat] has joined #lisp 02:22:59 -!- Farzad [~root@46.225.99.242] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:23:21 duomo [~duomo@cpe-69-204-168-98.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 02:26:47 -!- nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@EM1-115-124-17.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:27:29 -!- samebchase [~samuel@76.73.121.203] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 02:27:53 samebchase [~samuel@76.73.121.203] has joined #lisp 02:31:14 -!- lakkris [~unf@pool-71-164-238-90.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:34:16 -!- Pomo [~Pomo@192.188.108.71] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:34:37 -!- kidfoo [~neena@76.73.121.203] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:35:21 Vivitron [~user@pool-173-48-170-228.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 02:35:43 -!- nefo [~nefo@unaffiliated/nefo] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:36:17 kidfoo [~neena@76.73.121.203] has joined #lisp 02:36:32 -!- samebchase [~samuel@76.73.121.203] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:38:59 -!- marsell [~marsell@120.18.216.119] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:41:17 -!- kidfoo [~neena@76.73.121.203] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 02:43:04 kidfoo [~neena@76.73.121.203] has joined #lisp 02:43:13 samebchase [~samuel@76.73.121.203] has joined #lisp 02:47:06 Dang. B in the slime debugger doesn't work anymore. 02:50:17 teggi [~teggi@123.20.50.48] has joined #lisp 02:51:39 -!- rpg [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has quit [Quit: rpg] 02:51:42 -!- Modius [~Modius@cpe-70-123-128-240.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: "Object-oriented design" is an oxymoron] 02:52:46 Munksgaard [~Munksgaar@168.22.19.85] has joined #lisp 02:53:49 -!- Munksgaard [~Munksgaar@168.22.19.85] has left #lisp 03:01:53 Pomo [~Pomo@192.188.108.71] has joined #lisp 03:05:03 chu [~mathew.ba@CPE-124-176-31-250.lns2.dea.bigpond.net.au] has joined #lisp 03:06:06 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operator_%28programming%29#Operator_features_in_programming_languages 03:06:32 They say that + - * / = /= < <= > >= mod rem floor truncate min and max are operators in Lisp 03:06:48 why are they operators and not functions? 03:07:02 they are both 03:07:28 why is truncate a function rather than LIST or CONS? 03:07:31 *operators 03:08:02 From the Wikipedia entry: 03:08:03 > Programming languages typically support a set of operators: operations which differ from the language's functions in calling syntax and/or argument passing mode. 03:08:20 + does not differ from Lisp functions in calling syntax or argument passing mode? 03:08:32 they couldn't fit all 750 operators 03:08:52 stassats`: Would you say that they're operators under Wikipedia's definition? 03:09:07 no 03:09:24 Well what features does an operator have then that makes it different from functions? 03:10:07 CL has an exact definition of what an operator is 03:10:08 syddraf [~syddraf@129.59.115.2] has joined #lisp 03:11:07 Does the definition of an operator differ in CL from other languages? 03:11:29 i don't know any other languages, so i can't say 03:11:39 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:11:39 and here it is "operator n. 1. a function, macro, or special operator." 03:11:58 a special operator is an operator? 03:12:06 can you read? 03:12:07 feels rather pleonastic 03:12:10 I can stassats` 03:12:17 as a rule 03:12:20 adjective nouns are still nouns 03:13:35 well, i don't really know what to do with this Lisp row, other than removing it 03:14:53 -!- rme [~rme@50.43.147.52] has left #lisp 03:15:01 -!- samebchase [~samuel@76.73.121.203] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:15:25 the whole article is rather bad, frankly 03:15:26 -!- kidfoo [~neena@76.73.121.203] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:15:43 on what did they base their definition of "operator"? 03:15:54 there's not a single citation 03:15:57 if you remove it, someone will come along and say "OMG they love out LISP. I just love LISP. Now let me try to remember its operators..." 03:16:46 stassats`: could just replace it with a paraphrase of the CLHS definition 03:16:49 It would be hard to make it more wrong than it currently is. 03:17:06 haskell entry isn't good as well, these are functions alright, though they have a infix syntax 03:17:51 kidfoo [~neena@76.73.121.203] has joined #lisp 03:19:24 and what the hell is seed7? 03:21:01 samebchase [~samuel@76.73.121.203] has joined #lisp 03:21:31 -!- elliottcable is now known as mittens 03:21:44 -!- zmv [~zmv@189.120.173.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:30:34 -!- lars_t_h [~lars_t_h@2.129.14.40] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:30:55 -!- kidfoo [~neena@76.73.121.203] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:31:40 -!- msponge [~msponge@18.189.103.48] has quit [Quit: msponge] 03:31:41 -!- katesmith [~katesmith@unaffiliated/costume] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:31:48 _nix00 [~Adium@222.65.231.123] has joined #lisp 03:31:55 kidfoo [~neena@76.73.121.203] has joined #lisp 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[~nondualit@chello084114039189.14.vie.surfer.at] has joined #lisp 15:14:37 => ((1 . 28) (3 . 0) (5 . 0) (7 . 0)) 15:14:38 => ((1 . 51) (3 . 0) (5 . 0) (7 . 0)) the loop will test 500 times ,and the two results are far war from 500? 15:15:43 ISF [~ivan@201.82.172.81] has joined #lisp 15:18:51 -!- gko [gko@220-135-201-90.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:18:56 xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.157.249] has joined #lisp 15:19:16 -!- Guthur [~user@host86-150-159-127.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:19:26 Guthur [~user@host86-150-159-127.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 15:19:29 drwho [~drwho@c-68-81-125-196.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:19:31 -!- drwho [~drwho@c-68-81-125-196.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 15:19:39 gko [gko@220-135-201-90.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 15:21:44 oh my god ,there is a terrible bug 15:21:56 lst already changed 15:23:34 chenbing: You must not modify quoted lists. 15:23:56 yep 15:26:54 -!- setmeaway [oosool3@119.201.52.190] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:27:10 setmeaway [~setmeaway@119.201.52.190] has joined #lisp 15:27:47 -!- jimmy1980 [~jimmy@112.224.3.45] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:31:57 nope ,I don't modify (car item) just decf a (car item) and (incf (cdr item)) 15:34:41 "I don't modify (car item) just decf a (car item)" (!) 15:34:53 (decf x) ;; I don't modify x, I just... 15:35:45 jimmy1980 [~jimmy@112.224.3.23] has joined #lisp 15:35:56 akovalenko: a is just a varibale ,(decf a (car item)) 15:35:59 chromaticwt [~user@67-41-15-81.albq.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 15:36:17 chenbing: you also have incf (cdr item) 15:36:44 chenbing: (let ((lst (copy-tree '((...)...))...) ;; notice COPY-TREE 15:39:10 petercoulton [~petercoul@cpc1-midd16-2-0-cust160.11-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 15:41:34 It still confuse me ;(incf (cdr item)) doesn't matter ,It's a natural accumerate process 15:42:10 nyef [~nyef@64.134.65.42] has joined #lisp 15:42:27 xcv [~xcv@dsl-225-28.hive.is] has joined #lisp 15:42:29 imagine that: (incf (cdr '(3 . 1))) ;;; you ARE modifying a literal, and that's undefined behavior 15:42:45 chenbing: (decf (car x)) ~= (setf (car x) (- (car x) 1)) 15:45:13 It's too late for me now .thank you guys I will considerate this item tomorrow,see you bye 15:47:07 -!- Phoodus [~foo@68.107.217.139] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:50:51 -!- jimmy1980 [~jimmy@112.224.3.23] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:52:07 btw ,I feel (return) is the root of => ((1 . 28) (3 . 0) (5 . 0) (7 . 0)) 15:52:30 I misuse the (return) 15:52:36 jimmy1980 [~jimmy@112.224.3.23] has joined #lisp 15:56:20 Haha now ok ;=> ((1 . 32) (3 . 80) (5 . 143) (7 . 245)) 15:56:28 bye 15:57:29 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@iburst-41-213-58-40.iburst.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:00:06 -!- Guest19226 [~t@81.202.16.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:00:41 pjb 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14:23:05 CCL actually does use the backslash if a dot is used in the name part 14:23:36 I can add as many \ in as i wish anywhere except the end and they seem to be ignored 14:23:40 in CCL 14:23:42 (make-pathname :name "foo.bar" :type "baz") #P"foo\\.bar.baz" 14:23:48 and yes i'm getting \ before a dot 14:25:10 Any idea why they do this? 14:26:12 -!- davlap [~davlap@c-24-147-211-14.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: http://www.textualapp.com/] 14:26:56 yeah, that's unfortunate: (make-pathname :name "foo\\bar") => #P"foobar" 14:27:14 jlaire [~jlaire@80-248-244-32.cust.suomicom.fi] has joined #lisp 14:27:27 sbcl also does it 14:27:52 but sbcl only accepts one \ and gets me the namestring without it 14:28:01 pathnames are not a good way to try to handle arbitrary unix pathnames 14:28:34 drdo: native-namestring might help 14:28:36 they are good for handling files that are created by lisp. try to handle all unix files with them properly and fail. it won't work well, and won't be portable. 14:28:40 drdo: In CCL, it is to specify which part is the pathname-name and which part is the pathname-type. 14:28:40 sbcl does not ignore backslashes 14:28:51 (make-pathname :name "foo\\bar") => "foo\\bar" 14:29:07 that is a pathname with a seven-character name field: f, o, o, \, b, a, r 14:29:09 (namestring "~/tmp/foo\\.foo.foo")  "~/tmp/foo.foo.foo" 14:29:15 drdo: Namestring syntax is implementation-dependent. 14:30:16 luis: Is that a lib? 14:30:17 Hello Xach 14:30:56 drdo: no, it's a function SBCL exports, and I'm not sure if it helps you. (Actually I'm not sure you have a problem at all.) 14:31:30 hi loke 14:31:43 CCL also has a native-namestring-style function 14:31:45 I fixed my clsql problem :-) 14:31:59 loke: i saw the email, sounds very exciting. i hope it will be fixed for everyone, too. 14:32:20 luis: Judging by the name it looks like it is exactly what i want 14:32:35 I'd like staying portable though 14:32:56 Xach: For completeness, here's my summary on the third bug. Read it if you're interested: http://lists.b9.com/pipermail/clsql/2011-December/002041.html 14:33:16 -!- jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@bl18-14-204.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:34:06 ThomasH [~user@pdpc/supporter/professional/thomash] has joined #lisp 14:34:16 Greetings lispers 14:35:06 bezalel [~beza1e1@nat.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de] has joined #lisp 14:35:13 loke: Very glad to see that you tracked it down 14:35:36 loke: I really want to set up an oracle client environment so I can add oracle CL libraries to quicklisp. i haven't had any luck so far :( 14:35:54 Xach: I spent several hours today doing it. :-) I'm also happy I managed to figure it out. I was quite worried for a while. 14:36:12 Xach: Let me know if you need a copy 14:36:31 loke: What OS do you use? 14:36:31 is that the only reason you're not shipping clsqwl-oracle? 14:36:37 Xach: Linux and Solaris 14:36:38 Yes, that's the only reason. 14:36:56 loke: Is it something where you could send me a tarball, and I unpack it somewhere and set an environment variable, and everything will work? 14:37:03 Yep 14:37:07 I would love that 14:37:08 For Linux is it? 14:37:13 Yes, Ubuntu amd64 14:37:24 OK, I'll do that on wednesday (I'm on leave tomorrow) 14:37:55 It's just one directory. It's pretty big, but I'll put it on google docs or something :-) 14:38:13 I appreciate it 14:39:00 -!- iwillig [~ivan@dyn-128-59-151-161.dyn.columbia.edu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:39:07 No problems 14:40:31 johnstorey [~johnstore@adsl-99-39-151-16.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 14:42:56 -!- cfy [~cfy@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 14:44:07 Xach: the state of database drivers for CL is pretty miserable. I have written a generic wrapper around the existing ones (only have CLSQL and ABCL as backends right now, will add Lispworks eventually). But my intention is to write a Java-integration-thingy that uses the same API as ABCL for calling Java code, then I'll be able to leverage all the existing JDBC drivers for lisps other than ABCL 14:44:22 and Java integration is useful for other things as well 14:45:41 loke: I think the state of database drivers for CL is a function of the fact that most projects are not "enterprise" and therefore do not require or are not constrained to use a database. Are you using CL in an "enterprise" setting? 14:45:56 ThomasH: yes 14:46:00 Very much so 14:46:12 loke: That's cool, just curious and glad to see it. 14:46:12 That's probably why I consider Java integration to be a useful thing 14:46:19 loke: something like a FFI for java ? 14:46:26 daimrod: Yes, exactly that. 14:46:41 daimrod: ABCL already has such an API, of course, so I just figured I'd reimplement it using FFI 14:47:24 *Neban* would like an ABCL port to .NET 14:47:53 Neban: Not sure that would be a port as much as a new implementation. 14:48:54 Well, the interpreter could be easily ported. 14:48:59 *loke* 's current application is for a banking operation 14:49:08 Although it would be quite a lot of work. 14:49:35 We needed some specific customisation with a web application that links to the risk-analsysis system. I wrote it in SBCL 14:50:02 Neban: ABCL doesn't have an interpreter though, as far as I know 14:50:18 Neban: it always compiles to bytecode before exewcution 14:50:25 loke, it has both a compiler and an interpreter. 14:50:56 The compiler being written in CL itself. 14:51:48 Back in a bit 14:52:00 The whole interpreter/compiler distinction seems fuzzy and implementation dependent to me. My understanding is that SBCL always compiles. On LispWorks, there is a huge difference between compiled and interpreted code. 14:52:08 I don't know how it behaves when running standalone files, but on the repl it interprets and you must request compilation. 14:52:27 _krappie_ [~brain@mx.skitzo.org] has joined #lisp 14:52:28 _3b [foobar@cpe-72-179-19-4.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 14:53:29 ThomasH: sbcl does include an interpreter, but it's only for performance, not for extra debuggability or interactivity 14:54:28 Xach: Ah, yeah. I seem to recall you set some global variable to enable it? I think I had to use that one time. 14:55:45 *evaluator-mode* 14:55:57 Yeah. Though it's used automatically in certain spots, IIRC. 14:56:14 ISF [~ivan@201.82.172.81] has joined #lisp 14:57:22 Phoodus [~foo@68.107.217.139] has joined #lisp 15:00:44 good evening 15:02:26 following http://xach.livejournal.com/278047.html i managed to make my own package loadable with (ql:quickload) but it appears that i need to run (asdf:initialize-source-registry) every time i start lisp, so that is best added to the lisp init file? (like .sbclrc) 15:02:36 Nauntilus [~Benji@wsip-68-14-222-194.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 15:03:40 eMBee: You shouldn't have to do that. 15:03:47 eMBee: Where did you put your project? 15:06:04 i put it in a custom directory that i configured in ~/.config/common-lisp/source-registry.conf.d/projects.conf: (:tree (:home "../src/lisp/")) 15:06:33 the ../ there is intentional 15:07:14 iwillig [~ivan@dyn-128-59-151-161.dyn.columbia.edu] has joined #lisp 15:07:16 hlavaty [~user@91-65-217-112-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 15:08:28 -!- Bribek [~Bribek@0xc3d7f214.ynoenxr1.ras.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Denne computer faldt i søvn] 15:08:45 hmm, it works on the bare repl 15:10:18 oh, it works now, maybe slimv didn't actually restart my lisp but reconnect to an alrady running one 15:10:57 *Xach* these days puts everything in ~/quicklisp/local-projects/ which is automatically scanned and requires no .conf setup 15:11:59 -!- lnostdal [~Lars@212.79-161-132.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:12:13 *eMBee* nods 15:12:46 in thos case i already had a directory, so it seemed convenient to just add it to the config instead of moving things around 15:13:25 -!- cmm [~cmm@109.64.203.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:13:33 behold my surprise when i found a hello world for clisp from 2006 in there :-) 15:14:36 -!- xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.160.215] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:14:43 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:15:13 cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-182-212-138.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 15:15:57 -!- dehun [~user@djgames.com.ua] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:16:13 eMBee: you could also put symbolic links in ~/quicklisp/local-projects/ 15:16:24 true... 15:16:58 so you don't have to move things around but you do know what are quickload-able and what are not. 15:17:32 ah, yes, i'll reconsider that when i run into issues with non-quickloadable stuff 15:18:07 -!- iwillig [~ivan@dyn-128-59-151-161.dyn.columbia.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:18:41 what is a good workflow to work in packages? (ql:quickload package), then load the source in editor, and just run (in-package ...) before adding functions? 15:19:14 iwillig [~ivan@dyn-128-59-46-199.dyn.columbia.edu] has joined #lisp 15:20:11 -!- evenson` [~user@213.33.70.157] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:20:55 a source file should generally start with an in-package form 15:21:31 it could start with a defpackage followed by an in-package, too 15:21:47 pjb [~t@81.202.16.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #lisp 15:22:31 I have a few different modes. Sometimes I write a small program all in a single file, so it starts off with a defpackage and in-package and then definitions. More often it is multiple files, so there is a file package.lisp that defines the package, and other files start off with in-package . 15:23:14 lnostdal [~Lars@212.79-161-132.customer.lyse.net] has joined #lisp 15:23:19 -!- McMAGIC-1Copy [~McMAGIC--@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmagic--copy] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:23:43 yes, but after i load the package i don't need to reevaluate the whole sourcefile, just the added functions, so if i do that i should do (in-package ...) first 15:23:44 -!- The_third_man [~The_third@ram94-12-78-234-200-168.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:24:09 -!- marijn` [~user@p4FC96B1F.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #lisp 15:24:11 eMBee: slime searches for the previous in-package form in your file 15:24:23 eMBee: so C-c C-c 'just works' 15:24:40 ah, ok, maybe slimv does the same... 15:26:10 McMAGIC--Copy [~McMAGIC--@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmagic--copy] has joined #lisp 15:28:41 wanderingelf [4817e03b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.23.224.59] has joined #lisp 15:29:15 bsamograd [~user@184.71.240.90] has joined #lisp 15:32:02 -!- nepnux [~wildnux@68-191-210-76.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:32:34 hmm, looks like it does, no error when calling a function in the package from the sourcefile 15:32:40 nice 15:33:20 fantazo [~fantazo@178-190-233-246.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #lisp 15:33:56 but if i want to type directly into the repl i need to switch the package myself, fair enough... 15:35:34 EmmanuelOga [~emmanuel@190.244.19.108] has joined #lisp 15:36:24 kilon [~kilon@athedsl-187277.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 15:41:59 sipo [~user@static-72-74-85-37.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 15:42:54 tensorpudding [~michael@99.56.169.114] has joined #lisp 15:43:15 nyef [~nyef@c-174-63-105-188.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:43:24 G'morning all. 15:45:41 -!- YuleAthas [~athas@shop3.diku.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:46:54 howdy nyef 15:47:28 5am is nice, but has some issues .. output to *standard-output*, test macros don't return results 15:47:52 onembk [~onembk@np34.co.returnpath.net] has joined #lisp 15:48:55 I think eos is meant to replace 5am 15:49:06 I don't know if it changes any of those behaviors, though. 15:50:11 oh yeah, the dependency-light drop-in replacement 15:52:22 what's the problem with dependencies ? 15:52:42 does anyone the syntax to call a stored procedure in postmodern? if i have a function defined in pl/pgsql for an upsert, how do i call it? select foo(a,b) --> (:select (____)) ? 15:52:57 no idea, one reason i didn't really bother 15:53:00 emit: (:select (:foo a b)) 15:53:18 emit: unknown operators are treated as function calls by default. 15:53:20 that easy? wow, thanks :D 15:55:07 ikki [~ikki@201.155.92.12] has joined #lisp 15:55:38 emit: you can see what translates to what by doing (s-sql:sql-compile '(:select ...)) 15:55:53 Or just (s-sql:sql (:select ...)) 15:58:47 kushal [~kdas@117.201.108.142] has joined #lisp 15:58:47 -!- kushal [~kdas@117.201.108.142] has quit [Changing host] 15:58:47 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 15:59:59 lakatosi [~lakatosi@c3.uaic.ro] has joined #lisp 16:01:34 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@85-18-55-37.ip.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:03:33 -!- CrazyThinker [~CrazyThin@unaffiliated/crazythinker] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:04:08 -!- ``Erik [erik@c-69-140-109-104.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:05:39 ``Erik [Here@c-69-140-109-104.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:05:42 simplechat [~simplecha@123-243-79-139.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #lisp 16:05:42 -!- simplechat [~simplecha@123-243-79-139.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Changing host] 16:05:42 simplechat [~simplecha@unaffiliated/simplechat] has joined #lisp 16:08:29 simplechat: What does your screen-name mean? 16:11:36 -!- mcsontos [~mcsontos@hotspot8.rywasoft.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:14:26 in the latest hunchentoot, is there a way to make it show errors in the repl, instead of returning a fancy error page immediately? 16:14:43 i'd like to be able to inspect the backtrace 16:15:53 -!- easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:16:45 CrazyThinker [~CrazyThin@unaffiliated/crazythinker] has joined #lisp 16:18:19 -!- ehu [~ehuels@109.32.228.233] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:21:49 -!- pon1980 [~pon@195-67-88-105.customer.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:23:51 madnificent: Have a look at CL:*BREAK-ON-SIGNALS*, perhaps? 16:24:30 ehu [~ehuels@109.32.68.194] has joined #lisp 16:26:18 nyef: will that bring me into slime? 16:26:37 nyef: afaict the error is catched by hunchentoot, somewhere 16:27:07 as a side-note: kudos on the nice error displaying and such, for most cases, it's really really nice. 16:27:24 -!- aerique [310225@xs8.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: ...] 16:28:35 mcsontos [~mcsontos@hotspot8.rywasoft.net] has joined #lisp 16:28:54 The point of *break-on-signals* is that it does a TYPEP on the condition and invokes the debugger directly instead of checking for handlers if it matches. 16:28:59 -!- samebcha1e is now known as samebchase 16:29:29 madnificent: I think you're looking for hunchentoot:*catch-errors-p* 16:30:05 pdo [~pdo@31.221.13.71] has joined #lisp 16:30:43 gethash returns a value right...? how does setf "know" the address of the value when i do (setf (gethash key tbl) value) 16:30:52 emit: magic 16:30:56 yes. 16:30:58 emit: well, macro magic 16:31:05 my question more specifically is... how do i hold a ref to the value 16:31:08 loke: yup, that was it 16:31:08 emit: (macroexpand '(setf (gethash k t) v)) 16:31:15 so i don't need to do a second lookup for an update if the key isnt found 16:31:19 try (macroexpand '(setf (gethash foo bar) 'blah) 16:31:22 http://paste.lisp.org/display/126578 16:31:25 i find myself doing that 16:31:35 emit: (let ((ref-to-the-value (gethash key table))) ... (do-something-with ref-to-the-value)) 16:31:35 nyef: and what you said is what i could've used to hack around it. i'll read the clhs on *break-on-signals* sometime soon, probably should've done it earlier. thanks for the heads up. 16:32:10 emit: you cannot. It's up to the compiler to optimize out the second lookup if it can. 16:32:32 kilon_alios [~kilon@athedsl-407809.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 16:32:32 emit: you could use an intermediate object if you needed to optimize it yourself. 16:32:54 i see, thanks 16:33:18 -!- kilon_alios [~kilon@athedsl-407809.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Client Quit] 16:33:48 -!- kilon [~kilon@athedsl-187277.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:36:01 benny [~benny@i577A1610.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 16:38:33 kilon_alios [~kilon@ppp-94-64-181-91.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 16:39:38 -!- jdz [~jdz@193.206.22.97] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:40:36 why's there no binary search tree in the standard lib when almost every other language does? which third party library is the most popular? i see a bunch listed in http://www.cliki.net/data%20structure ... for now hash tables are fine i guess, but just curious 16:41:07 emit: there is the CONS? 16:41:09 emit: because hash-tables are faster. 16:41:33 emit: do you want https://github.com/rpav/spatial-trees ? 16:42:04 emit: otherwise have a look at com.informatimago.common-lisp.cesarum.llrbtree 16:42:11 pjb: depends on the use-case, trees can be used to find a value which compares to another value one way or another 16:42:11 askatasuna [~askatasun@190.190.39.231] has joined #lisp 16:42:47 emit: spatial-trees is BSD, llrbtree is GPL (both look nice imo) 16:43:24 -!- ehu [~ehuels@109.32.68.194] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:43:35 -!- ramusara [~ramusara@220.156.210.236.user.e-catv.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 16:44:50 silenius [~silenius@i59F735DB.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 16:46:02 yeah i'm checking them out one by one... 16:46:43 what scares me about hash tables in lisp is: http://www.chemie.fu-berlin.de/chemnet/use/info/cl/cl_11.html i suppose it's implementation dependent (or is it defined by standard...), but it says "Integers are hashed into one of 16 buckets depending on their value modulo 16. Floating-point numbers are truncated to integers and hashed modulo 16. " 16:47:27 emit: that is the description of an emacs lisp library 16:47:27 if i'm using integer keys doesn't that mean a ton of collisions 16:47:35 oh is it? haha 16:47:37 emit: it has nothing to do with common lisp implementations. 16:47:38 it said cl 16:47:42 yes, it emulates CL. 16:47:44 "This document describes a set of Emacs Lisp facilities borrowed from Common Lisp" 16:48:08 oh oops 16:48:09 -!- cpc26 [~cpc26@fsf/member/cpc26] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:48:11 :P 16:48:51 -!- kilon_alios is now known as kilon 16:49:02 puchacz [~puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 16:49:55 -!- simplechat [~simplecha@unaffiliated/simplechat] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:50:18 emit: there is no guarantee that hash tables on a particular implementation will be the best fit for your problem. they are often worth trying and measuring, though. 16:51:00 yeah i understand 16:51:59 emit: have a look at 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17:20:52 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 17:22:28 -!- ISF [~ivan@201.82.172.81] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:23:35 kpreid [~kpreid@cpe-67-249-228-147.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 17:23:44 _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-1-147.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:24:56 i hear the american government passed a very bad bill xD 17:25:28 -!- c_arenz [arenz@nat/ibm/x-nbggsnbnfwmroxdh] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:25:40 SlayersZ: This is the wrong channel to discuss such a thing. 17:25:58 -!- pdo [~pdo@31.221.13.71] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:27:07 -!- tensorpudding [~michael@99.56.169.114] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:27:46 ok, what is the lefthmost derivation and rightmost derivation ;O 17:27:59 Unless the bill concerns the use of parentheses in lisp, or is written in lisp! 17:28:08 tensorpudding [~michael@99.56.169.114] has joined #lisp 17:28:22 *pjb* doesn't understand why laws are not written in lisp. 17:28:35 this is more of an emacs/slime question... i have one frame split: 4/5 top has code, 1/5 bottom repl. when there is a runtime error the backtrace buffer shows up in the repl window and resizes it to 1/2 height... any suggestions? 17:28:47 "Congress shall not enact any law restricting the use of s-expressions." 17:29:00 emit: store the window configuration in a register to jump back to. 17:29:17 emit: C-x r w a ; C-x r j a 17:29:19 ok that will do for now 17:29:24 yes gotcha :D thanks 17:30:09 milanj [~milanj_@109-92-96-25.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined #lisp 17:31:44 hmm, how do you change the command so that e opens up emacs instead of emacs 17:32:06 and how do you change the command to compile within emcas 17:32:21 0_0 17:33:22 -!- nha [~prefect@imamac13.epfl.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:33:27 open up emacs instead of emacs? 17:33:45 default command to open up emcas is emcas filename 23:31:08 ccl-logbot 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00:09:02 -!- nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@EM1-115-50-162.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:11:48 pnq [~nick@ACA2335A.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 00:14:46 -!- jayne [~jayne@freenode/staff/jayne] has quit [Ping timeout: 612 seconds] 00:14:59 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:16:48 i'm still having issues namespace issues. http://paste.lisp.org/display/126622 basically i want two objects with the same method names but clearly different behavior (# and types of arguments). it appears i must name them uniquely? 00:17:59 emit: yes. 00:18:36 -!- agumonkey [agumonkey@8.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:18:43 Can't specialize methods on arity 00:18:52 -!- mcsontos [~mcsontos@hotspot8.rywasoft.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:19:19 single dispatch languages sometimes conflate method dispatch and namespaces. CL doesn't (it's also not clear to me *how* to implement that with multiple dispatch). 00:19:41 so should i just prefix all my methods with class name... 00:19:58 what's a common convention 00:20:11 class::method ? that's valid in lisp right 00:20:11 Use different names for different actions. 00:20:17 or class/method? 00:20:21 neither. 00:21:24 Firing a gun and firing an employee have different meanings, there's no reason that they should be methods of the same generic function. 00:21:35 class-slot is a common convention 00:21:38 rme [~rme@50.43.130.95] has joined #lisp 00:21:42 replore [~replore@203.152.213.161.static.zoot.jp] has joined #lisp 00:21:54 for accessors 00:22:00 pkhuong: why? 00:22:06 ok but two classes might want a method called fire 00:22:10 drdo: that propagates the myth that objects are just a bunch of slots. 00:25:39 ccl-logbot [~ccl-logbo@setf.clozure.com] has joined #lisp 00:25:39 00:25:39 -!- names: ccl-logbot replore rme pnq Guthur benny Noctifer AntiSpamMeta davazp Cosman246 mon_key shin_getter petercoulton [SLB] Nauntilus dsp_ fmu tritchey ASau` chu JuanDaugherty aperturefever Vicfred dmiles_afk jsoft_ eTarap lonstein johnstorey vervic duomo Neban Xach ravster tfb foom gkeith_lt ltriant toekutr sacho_ deech ISF antgreen EarlGray^ sdemarre pchrist sipo _schulte_ REPLeffect Qworkescence tensorpudding mathrick SegFaultAX|work otakutomo wishbone4 00:25:39 -!- names: zipace deepfire saeftl chenbing ikki ThomasH lemoinem Odin- Zhivago p_l|backup emit antifuchs Adrinael dcguru joast _mathrick drdo nicdev _3b PuffTheMagic nialo abeaumont brendyn Quadresce_ paraboli1e hlavaty trigen DrForr ericeatsbrains_ cods dehun` Atomsk kwmiebach_ katesmith tali713 coyo Kron_ madnificent CrazyThinker davlap setmeaway daniel_ quasisane Salamander jrockway kennyd flip214 chrnybo Yuuhi insomniaSalt jlaire araujo Vivitron akovalenko 00:25:39 -!- names: sellout alvis tsuru` Saeren dys csdserver elliottcable nialo- ozzloy sykopomp naryl seangrove foocraft totzeit kpreid EyesIsServer ``Erik bsamograd lnostdal pjb cmm Phoodus _krappie_ eno ArmyOfBruce Khisanth ve rpgsimmaster_ Jasko rotty_ rotty g000001 arbscht NovemberX zbigniew BlastHardcheese rabite_ waveman aoh ihyoyoung herbieB_ devhost kephas shachaf s0ber BrianRice hugod Tristam samebchase CaZe stepnem twopi_ frozencemetery DGASAU SHODAN dRbiG cYmen 00:25:39 -!- names: ecraven Ralith scharan gaidal X-Scale cataska SeanTAllen Nisstyre zenlunatic aliasxerog bieber H4ns wtetzner borkman otwieracz djuber daimrod v0|d incandenza whoops evenson twopi phadthai Kryztof peterhil` hyko mornfall inklesspen markski1beck em cl1 rtoym kjellkt Guest81522 eMBee axion alek_b mmullis ramus sorabji5252 xjrn gniourf_gniourf __main__ nuba cnl pinterface Utkarsh tltstc Nshag literal mgr ruru christoph_debian eli PECCU CrazyEddy j_king Fade 00:25:39 -!- names: prip a7p loke antoszka yroeht vsync Kvaks dfox fe[nl]ix Guest81674 Zephyrus djanatyn TristamWrk Euthydemus hq1 felipe Yamazaki-kun housel htop austinh ianmcorvidae jiacobucci Posterdati df_ guther elliottjohnson SpitfireWP Jabberwockey GeneralMaximus |3b| tty234 klutometis boyscared mtd xristos spacebat_ tvaalen acieroid 16WAAASNV jeekl __root__ billitch yeltzooo tessier pkhuong tomaw guaqua mal sshirokov C-Keen CallToPower Bucciarati cmbntr MikeSeth 00:25:39 -!- names: limetree galdor gemelen rootzlevel rvncerr sbryant _death pok johs peterbb joshe koollman wolgo_ Obfuscate rahul peddie ft luis kloeri ineiros tychoish PissedNumlock erg freiksenet jsnell Patzy syrinx_ Shapeshifter orangejuice z0d vhost- howeyc dlowe cpt_nemo froggey daedric pokes k9quaint Dodek Axioplase_ Borbus gensym djinni` churib cow-orker tempire clop bhaskara Kovensky levi` finnrobi_ cmatei albino OliverUv ski_ _stink_ micro` bobbysmith007 00:25:39 -!- names: billstclair ruediger Neronus macrobat ch077179 jasom udoprog Mandus scode p_l qsun theBlackDragon egn oGMo setheus redline6561_ yan_ Intensity Xof 00:25:45 emit: since the point of late dispatch is that the caller doesn't need to whether the exact class of instances, but only some superclass, methods that differ by arity are really methods of distinct generic functions. 00:28:12 What happens when I (fire weapon x y) on an ak47, but only mp5 implements that number of arguments? Two-argument and three-argument fire aren't the same action, so they should have different names. 00:28:15 -!- whoops [u549@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wuksgkfcwhhbvqtj] has quit [Excess Flood] 00:28:27 whoops [u549@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lqcebduzvenxnxwh] has joined #lisp 00:34:47 mm, I thought methods could differ in optional, but no, it's only in &key and &rest. 00:35:58 -!- ASau` [~user@95-25-38-176.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:36:58 ASau` [~user@95-25-38-176.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 00:38:55 clog [~nef@bespin.org] has joined #lisp 00:41:20 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@93-138-43-219.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:41:45 Bacteria [~Bacteria@dyn-49-127-1-99.its.monash.edu.au] has joined #lisp