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Evaluating it is entirely up to you. 10:55:31 phryk: no, of course you need a macro, too 10:55:52 I can't make myself understood, sorry 10:56:06 Could you guys look at http://npaste.de:8080/628N/ and tell me if that is the correct behaviour for "if"? As far as I can tell it works perfectly ^^ 10:56:23 krl [~krl@rymdkoloni.se] has joined #lisp 10:56:24 -!- krl [~krl@rymdkoloni.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:56:40 BlastHardcheese [chris@pdpc/supporter/active/blasthardcheese] has joined #lisp 10:56:42 well, it runs the code at macro-expansion time, right? so that's a difference 10:57:08 krl [~krl@rymdkoloni.se] has joined #lisp 10:57:08 -!- krl [~krl@rymdkoloni.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:57:47 and (assoc) needs some kind of (if) internally, too 10:57:49 -!- gko [~gko@27.242.27.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:57:52 -!- jaminja [~jaminja@unaffiliated/jaminja] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 10:57:54 krl [~krl@rymdkoloni.se] has joined #lisp 10:57:55 -!- krl [~krl@rymdkoloni.se] has quit [Write error: Connection reset by peer] 10:58:09 am0c [~am0c@119.192.218.97] has joined #lisp 10:58:11 flip214: What exactly is macro expansion time? The time that macro is called? 10:58:11 gigamonk` [~user@adsl-99-155-195-115.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 10:58:38 -!- p_l [plasek@gateway/shell/rootnode.net/session] has quit [Changing host] 10:58:38 p_l [plasek@gateway/shell/rootnode.net/x-kebxvtycbdiytagz] has joined #lisp 10:58:40 -!- BrianRice [~water@174-21-117-191.tukw.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:58:41 -!- BrianRice` is now known as BrianRice 10:58:46 -!- xyxu [~xyxu@58.41.14.46] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:58:51 flip214: Why should (assoc) need (if)? Don't you just supply something like a pointer as in C? 10:59:16 (I mean not an absolute one, but maybe relative to the start of the list in the memory. Honestly I have no clue about the internals of lisp) 10:59:33 -!- Joreji [~thomas@91-249.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:59:45 dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-17-246.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lisp 10:59:49 -!- gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-179-45-19.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:00:47 flip214: Just to explain, I came in here yesterday because I just didn't get what the 'big difference' between macros and functions are. I think I at least roughly get it now. :) 11:01:30 phryk: well, (assoc) compares the given argument with the contents of the list ... and there's something that uses the result of that comparision, and that's either (IF) or (COND) 11:01:52 -!- DaDaDosPrompt [~DaDaDosPr@184.99.15.205] has quit [Quit: DaDaDosPrompt] 11:02:03 phryk: well, in that case you're right ... the argument-evaluation is the biggest difference. 11:02:13 regarding compile-time: 11:02:21 -!- BlastHardcheese [chris@pdpc/supporter/active/blasthardcheese] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 11:02:40 imagine your if being used within a (defun) ... if the then-part is a (print 'x) this will be given when the function is compiled, not when it's run 11:02:59 take a look at eg. http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/macros-defining-your-own.html 11:03:05 -!- mtd is now known as Guest59099 11:03:05 -!- Quadrescence is now known as Guest30207 11:03:25 Ah yes, now that I understand the difference, that chapter might be less confusing :) 11:03:32 jaminja [~jaminja@76.76.24.43] has joined #lisp 11:05:29 Joreji [~thomas@91-249.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 11:06:08 -!- jaminja [~jaminja@76.76.24.43] has quit [Changing host] 11:06:08 jaminja [~jaminja@unaffiliated/jaminja] has joined #lisp 11:07:01 -!- am0c [~am0c@119.192.218.97] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:07:15 ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@122.169.73.127] has joined #lisp 11:09:11 flip214: So macro-expansion is run-time while function-expansion is compile-time? 11:09:42 -!- ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@122.169.73.127] has quit [Changing host] 11:09:42 ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has joined #lisp 11:09:50 BlastHardcheese [chris@pdpc/supporter/active/blasthardcheese] has joined #lisp 11:09:54 francogrex [~user@109.130.95.81] has joined #lisp 11:10:24 -!- sanjoyd [~sanjoyd@203.110.240.205] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:10:30 no ... hmm, wait a sec 11:10:40 sanjoyd [~sanjoyd@203.110.240.205] has joined #lisp 11:11:24 does that help? http://chriseineke.com/writing/macros101_rt_vs_ct.html 11:12:53 There's read-, macroexpansion, compiler-macro-expansion, compile, and run-time ... unless I've forgotten something ;) 11:13:27 -!- sanjoyd [~sanjoyd@203.110.240.205] has quit [Changing host] 11:13:27 sanjoyd [~sanjoyd@unaffiliated/sanjoyd] has joined #lisp 11:13:52 Readr_ [~Readr_@adsl-75-54-90-228.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 11:14:00 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-177-229.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 11:14:40 -!- sylecn [~sylecn@121.232.0.188] has left #lisp 11:15:41 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@62-84-51-137.customers.almanet.kz] has joined #lisp 11:16:43 -!- nialo- [~nialo@ool-182d1a3c.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:17:07 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@62-84-51-137.customers.almanet.kz] has quit [Changing host] 11:17:07 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 11:17:21 Kenjin [~josesanto@bl15-226-231.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 11:17:33 -!- Readr_ [~Readr_@adsl-75-54-90-228.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:17:43 alesguzik_ [~alesguzik@195.222.85.160.altoros.com] has joined #lisp 11:20:03 where can i get a copy of this "south bank common lisp" mentioned on that page? ;-) 11:20:38 you just need an apache mod_proxy with the data rewriter module 11:22:18 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-164-160.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 11:23:48 -!- Joreji [~thomas@91-249.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:24:54 -!- spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-qoeryzhyuqweyeil] has left #lisp 11:34:29 -!- marsell [~marsell@120.20.66.233] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:37:21 gensym [~user@dslb-088-071-149-049.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 11:42:19 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ei1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 11:43:49 Joreji_ [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 11:43:56 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:48:00 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 11:49:31 Houl [~Miranda@arwa.hh.fh-stralsund.de] has joined #lisp 11:50:12 -!- Houl [~Miranda@arwa.hh.fh-stralsund.de] has quit [Changing host] 11:50:12 Houl [~Miranda@unaffiliated/houl] has joined #lisp 11:51:49 -!- kruhft [~user@209.89.22.115] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:51:54 complex number, how can I quickly get its angle and length? 11:52:24 I mean is there something builtin? 11:52:48 Houl: (abs) for length 11:52:49 Houl: complex numbers don't have such properties 11:53:06 or i just don't know what i'm talking about 11:53:11 (phase) for "angle" 11:53:40 sorry, I'm german ... sorry if I didn't use the right terms 11:53:45 ok, phase 11:54:02 so there is no function to get the phase? 11:54:12 there is. Its name is PHASE. 11:54:21 http://l1sp.org/cl/phase 11:54:30 omg, thanks 11:54:41 Houl: http://www.ida.liu.se/imported/cltl/clm/node128.html 11:58:09 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:58:37 aliao [~john@123.5.152.134] has joined #lisp 11:59:25 -!- Athas [~athas@130.225.165.40] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:59:41 -!- aliao [~john@123.5.152.134] has left #lisp 12:01:07 -!- nicdev [~user@c-76-24-21-219.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 12:02:20 leo2007 [~leo@123.114.32.55] has joined #lisp 12:03:01 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@193-64-22-193-nat.elisa-mobile.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:06:00 nicdev [~user@c-76-24-21-219.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:06:29 -!- Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@210.Red-88-6-232.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:06:37 xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.159.27] has joined #lisp 12:07:35 SeySayux [~SeySayux@unaffiliated/seysayux] has joined #lisp 12:08:19 peterhil [~peterhil@193-64-22-193-nat.elisa-mobile.fi] has joined #lisp 12:08:19 H4ns [55b3895b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.179.137.91] has joined #lisp 12:08:20 So, I want to program in Lisp. Which compiler/dialect should I use? 12:08:26 ehu [~ehuels@109.33.3.64] has joined #lisp 12:08:40 SeySayux: this channel is about common lisp, so that is the dialect that we'll recommend. 12:08:54 SeySayux: most people here use sbcl, clozure cl or clisp. 12:10:34 todun_ [~todun@SEAS335.wlan.seas.upenn.edu] has joined #lisp 12:10:43 -!- todun [~todun@seasnet-58-02.seas.upenn.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:10:43 -!- todun_ is now known as todun 12:11:43 Can those compilers compile to actual machine code, or are they more like interpreters? 12:12:13 clozure cl and sbcl compile to machine code. clisp uses a virtual machine. 12:12:44 -!- neoliteral is now known as literal 12:12:55 SeySayux: you can also take a look at ecl, which gives C source code and uses the host compiler to get machine code. 12:13:36 todun_ [~todun@seasnet-58-02.seas.upenn.edu] has joined #lisp 12:13:55 -!- nicdev [~user@c-76-24-21-219.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:16:22 -!- todun_ [~todun@seasnet-58-02.seas.upenn.edu] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:16:30 SeySayux what OS by the way? 12:16:42 gaidal [~gaidal@61.144.106.123] has joined #lisp 12:16:47 -!- todun [~todun@SEAS335.wlan.seas.upenn.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:16:56 kennyd: For playing with it, Mac, if it's succesful, Win/Mac/Lin 12:16:57 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@61.144.106.123] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:17:03 -!- H4ns [55b3895b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.179.137.91] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:17:20 gaidal [~gaidal@61.144.106.123] has joined #lisp 12:17:49 iwillig [~ivan@ool-ad03c1a0.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 12:17:49 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@61.144.106.123] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:17:51 -!- francogrex [~user@109.130.95.81] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:17:53 I often hear people saying how great Lisp is, then why isn't it more used? 12:18:21 gaidal [~gaidal@61.144.106.123] has joined #lisp 12:18:36 lester2 [~lester2@76.73.16.26] has joined #lisp 12:18:37 SeySayux: I did a very informal study, by counting people on #lisp ... that said that popularity is growing 12:19:04 I think it's because a lot of other languages finally bring the typical lisp features into mainstream - generic functions, macros (perl6), closures, etc 12:19:05 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@61.144.106.123] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:19:22 that makes people look where they come from, to find lisp at the roots 12:19:27 gaidal [~gaidal@61.144.106.123] has joined #lisp 12:19:47 how do perl macros compare to lisp macros? 12:19:48 world domination is only a few days away ... 2012 will be the year of lisp on the desktop! 12:20:16 Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@242.Red-88-24-175.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 12:20:26 Gee, where did I hear that before... 12:20:27 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@61.144.106.123] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:20:43 lester2: in perl5: no macros. in perl6: they exist ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perl_6#Macros 12:20:50 todun [~todun@SEAS335.wlan.seas.upenn.edu] has joined #lisp 12:20:54 gaidal [~gaidal@61.144.106.123] has joined #lisp 12:21:06 but I (personally) find the {{{ }}} awful ... perhaps I'm used to lisp by now 12:21:13 A slightly less informal study (GitHub) tells me Lisp is the 25th most popular language, in other words, less than 1% usage. 12:21:34 SeySayux: do they have a use-over-time graph, too? 12:21:34 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@61.144.106.123] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:21:50 Don't think so 12:21:54 -!- spacefrogg [~spacefrog@unaffiliated/spacefrogg] has quit [Quit: spacefrogg] 12:21:55 gaidal [~gaidal@61.144.106.123] has joined #lisp 12:22:04 dnolen [~davidnole@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 12:22:07 -!- Joreji_ [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:23:09 probably best to just try lisp a bit, in my experience it has at least been quite fun 12:23:09 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@61.144.106.123] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:23:28 gaidal [~gaidal@61.144.106.123] has joined #lisp 12:24:10 mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 12:24:11 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@61.144.106.123] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:24:28 gaidal [~gaidal@61.144.106.123] has joined #lisp 12:24:48 -!- The_third_man [~The_third@ram94-12-78-234-200-168.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:24:48 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@61.144.106.123] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:25:31 gaidal [~gaidal@61.144.106.123] has joined #lisp 12:26:29 hmmm ... http://qa.debian.org/popcon-graph.php?packages=sbcl+ecl+clisp+rakudo+mono-complete&show_installed=on&want_legend=on&want_ticks=on&from_date=&to_date=&hlght_date=&date_fmt=%25Y-%25m&beenhere=1 12:26:29 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@61.144.106.123] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:26:51 perl and python can't be compared, they're dependencies of so many packages that this doesn't help 12:26:53 -!- Salamander [~Salamande@ppp121-45-159-164.lns10.adl6.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:27:03 The_third_man [~The_third@ram94-12-78-234-200-168.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 12:27:15 gaidal [~gaidal@61.144.106.123] has joined #lisp 12:27:49 -!- superflit [~superflit@71-33-156-49.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:28:53 Well, then get more stuff that depends on Lisp 12:28:53 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@61.144.106.123] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:29:41 gaidal [~gaidal@61.144.106.123] has joined #lisp 12:30:39 -!- todun [~todun@SEAS335.wlan.seas.upenn.edu] has quit [Quit: :q] 12:30:42 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@61.144.106.123] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:30:52 -!- lnostdal_ [~Lars@ti0030a380-dhcp0111.bb.online.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:31:02 gaidal [~gaidal@61.144.106.123] has joined #lisp 12:31:09 lnostdal [~Lars@ti0030a380-dhcp0111.bb.online.no] has joined #lisp 12:32:43 yeah, need some more common user apps in lisp. most of the stuff out there is for academics or developers it seems 12:32:43 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@61.144.106.123] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:33:03 gaidal [~gaidal@61.144.106.123] has joined #lisp 12:33:43 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-56-70.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:33:43 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@61.144.106.123] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:34:02 gaidal [~gaidal@61.144.106.123] has joined #lisp 12:37:04 http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html has lisp on rank 13 12:37:05 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@61.144.106.123] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:37:35 gaidal [~gaidal@61.144.106.123] has joined #lisp 12:38:11 H4ns [55b3895b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.179.137.91] has joined #lisp 12:38:13 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@61.144.106.123] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:38:15 the debian shootout only shows performance data, not number of contributions 12:38:16 does anyone know how i undo the effect of C-c C-d A (slime-autodoc-manuall)? the minibuffer keeps flashing with long arglists now. 12:38:33 gaidal [~gaidal@61.144.106.123] has joined #lisp 12:39:12 10 year trend for lisp http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/paperinfo/tpci/Lisp.html 12:39:12 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@61.144.106.123] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:39:35 gaidal [~gaidal@61.144.106.123] has joined #lisp 12:39:45 H4ns: what's your slime-autodoc-use-multiline-p currently? 12:39:49 Zhivago [~zhivago@li49-59.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 12:40:03 Salamander [~Salamande@ppp121-45-123-35.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 12:40:03 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@61.144.106.123] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:40:31 gaidal [~gaidal@61.144.106.123] has joined #lisp 12:41:05 Gertm [~Gertm@dD576D0D2.access.telenet.be] has joined #lisp 12:41:06 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@61.144.106.123] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:41:33 gaidal [~gaidal@61.144.106.123] has joined #lisp 12:41:54 akovalenko: it is nil 12:41:56 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@61.144.106.123] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:42:31 gaidal [~gaidal@61.144.106.123] has joined #lisp 12:42:39 hm, it stopped by itself (?) 12:43:21 H4ns: there's also some "autodoc cache" -- maybe you just went to another form and the old one was forgotten.. 12:43:23 but it is somewhat sticky, i.e. if i switch it on, it stays on for more than a while 12:43:32 ch077179 [~ch077179@unaffiliated/ch077179] has joined #lisp 12:43:33 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@61.144.106.123] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:44:04 gaidal [~gaidal@61.144.106.123] has joined #lisp 12:45:16 todun [~todun@SEAS335.wlan.seas.upenn.edu] has joined #lisp 12:46:33 easyE [nIRPU7SdXo@panix2.panix.com] has joined #lisp 12:46:34 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@61.144.106.123] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:48:18 -!- anfairch [~anthony@c-76-22-14-22.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:49:49 drake01 [~drake01@unaffiliated/drake01] has joined #lisp 12:52:04 LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #lisp 12:53:19 -!- Iceland_1ack is now known as Iceland_jack 12:54:39 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:55:06 dmitrymatveev [~user@89.28.195.227] has joined #lisp 12:55:36 Hey, I just installed clozure, how do I compile a file now? 12:56:06 SeySayux: What does "compile a file" mean to you? 12:56:11 SeySayux: you have a single file of Lisp code, right? 12:56:18 dmitrymatveev: yes 12:56:23 hmm 12:56:28 Xach: so it outputs a binary? 12:56:32 Start CCL, load it into system and 12:56:36 save-lisp-and-die 12:56:56 bhyde [~bhyde@c-66-31-28-194.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:56:56 dmitrymatveev: that is not a ccl function. 12:57:07 SeySayux: OK. FYI, that's not what "compile a file" normally means in common lisp. 12:57:17 -!- duomo [~duomo@cpe-69-204-169-245.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:57:29 Xach: save-lisp-and-die? Hmm AFAIK CCL had something similar 12:57:30 Xach: then what does it mean normally? 12:57:57 see http://l1sp.org/cl/compile-file and http://l1sp.org/cl/3.2 for some detailed info. 12:58:13 ccl:save-application 12:58:17 :} 12:58:37 SeySayux: when developing with lisp, one usual route is to start the environment and then extend and adapt it into the functionality you want it to have, and then call that functionality with interactive function calls. 12:59:11 +1 12:59:13 SeySayux: compile-file is part of that, but it it's more about producing intermediate files that are faster to load than lisp source files. 12:59:25 I suddenly understand why nobody uses Lisp 12:59:30 SeySayux: you shold start with Slime :) 12:59:37 SeySayux: I use Lisp. 12:59:59 s/nobody/not many people/;s/uses/use/ 13:00:09 SeySayux: because it does not work like c? 13:00:23 ..like java 13:00:25 ..because it does work, unlike c++ 13:00:31 SeySayux: I do sometimes produce single-file binaries for projects, but it's not my default mode, and how it works varies by Lisp implementation. 13:00:33 :D 13:00:47 H4ns: because there is no IDE like Eclipse/Idea/... 13:00:51 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ei1.unidsl.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:00:52 SeySayux: For producing binaries, I wrote and use http://xach.com/lisp/buildapp 13:00:56 dmitrymatveev: java works like c :) 13:01:01 SBCL only, though. 13:01:13 gensym: there is - at least three of them. 13:01:14 *Xach* would love to adapt it to ccl or other CLs, hasn't had the time 13:01:14 Well, I can't really see your average computer user open up a lisp interpreter, changing stuff and invoking functions 13:01:22 gensym: unfortunately they cost money 13:01:29 yes 13:01:41 gensym: There's a plugin for Eclipse 13:01:46 SeySayux: neither can we. we are not saying that a user should work on a lisp repl. you are a programmer though. 13:02:13 hint: I want to ship my app to a user 13:02:23 SeySayux: What will your app do? 13:02:34 SeySayux: right. that is where save-lisp-and-die or save-application will come into play. 13:02:56 SeySayux: later. much later. once you are able to produce a real program that you can ship. usually, shipping comes after development. 13:03:16 gaidal [~gaidal@61.144.106.123] has joined #lisp 13:03:19 It doesn't always have to, though. If your application powers a web tool, for example, you can go with a different model. 13:03:35 SeySayux: are you an emacs or vim user? 13:03:36 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@61.144.106.123] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:03:45 Xach: then you can ship before you develop? :) 13:03:59 actually, i've seen that happen a few times 13:04:01 flip214: Is it a serious question or are you going to apply psychoanalysis to me? vim, btw 13:04:10 H4ns: with a few unimplemented generic functions ... as long as nobody clicks on the wrong links 13:04:26 SeySayux: for vim there's a plugin for lisp development - slimv 13:04:35 SeySayux: www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=2531 13:04:40 H4ns: more about what is the "delivered" part of a web app 13:04:59 then you can have a REPL with vim, too ... and lots of other goodies, BTW 13:05:20 slime/slimv with swank make a decent IDE, you'll find 13:05:36 aerique [310225@xs8.xs4all.nl] has joined #lisp 13:05:52 at least when you've gotten used to the lisp way of development ... where filecompilation is one of the _last_ things you'll typically do 13:07:48 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:08:47 shipping lisp programs is often quite similar to shipping a python program, for example 13:11:19 SeySayux: if you want to have binaries to ship, you can look at ECL, too ... that uses a C compiler to produce binaries, shared objects, archives, or simply object files 13:13:40 but the interactive development flow is a very important feature of lisps (and some other languages) 13:18:54 duomo [~duomo@d90h103.public.simons-rock.edu] has joined #lisp 13:19:54 gaidal [~gaidal@61.144.106.123] has joined #lisp 13:21:09 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@61.144.106.123] has quit [Client Quit] 13:23:22 Hmm... I used (load "hello.cl")(ccl:save-application "hello.o" :toplevel-function (main) :mode #o755 :native t), however, I now get a shared library, not an executable? 13:23:34 gaidal [~gaidal@61.144.106.123] has joined #lisp 13:25:30 1. save-application produces executables 13:25:38 <``Erik> hm, back when I did a ccl save (for windows, sbcl seemed better everywhere else), I had to use :init-file 13:25:38 2. .o - not a shared library file 13:25:40 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@61.144.106.123] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:25:42 :prepend-kernel t 13:25:47 <``Erik> #+ccl (save-application name :init-file "src/cclexec.lisp" :prepend-kernel t) 13:26:15 gaidal [~gaidal@61.144.106.123] has joined #lisp 13:29:46 *eMBee* has trouble with how slimv displays the repl. most of the time it scrolls so that the last line with the prompt is at the top and the actuall output is beyond so i always need to switch the window and scroll back 13:29:46 tritchey_ [~tritchey@c-68-51-88-12.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:29:47 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@61.144.106.123] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:29:48 -!- tritchey_ [~tritchey@c-68-51-88-12.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 13:30:19 gaidal [~gaidal@61.144.106.123] has joined #lisp 13:31:05 -!- tritchey [~tritchey@c-68-51-88-12.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:31:07 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@61.144.106.123] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:31:46 dmitrymatveev: What do you mean? 13:31:48 gaidal [~gaidal@61.144.106.123] has joined #lisp 13:32:02 nikodemus: You can't have both :prepend-kernel t and :native t at once 13:33:53 eMBee: I already suggested that the REPL gets split into P and R windows 13:33:54 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@61.144.106.123] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:34:11 eMBee: do you know python and vimscript? might lend a hand here 13:34:35 gaidal [~gaidal@61.144.106.123] has joined #lisp 13:36:56 tsuru [~charlie@adsl-98-87-51-128.bna.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 13:36:56 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@61.144.106.123] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:37:03 Yuuhi [benni@p5483B4D9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 13:37:22 gaidal [~gaidal@61.144.106.123] has joined #lisp 13:37:36 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.212.154] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 13:37:59 SeySayux: just :prepend-kernel, no need for :native -- that's for oprofile convenience, etc 13:38:32 i know python but not vimscript 13:38:46 i could help with debugging/testing 13:38:46 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@61.144.106.123] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:39:19 gaidal [~gaidal@61.144.106.123] has joined #lisp 13:39:29 one thing that would also work for me is to have the output not go to vim at all but just stay in the window where lisp is running 13:39:59 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@61.144.106.123] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:40:01 nikodemus: okay, thanks! 13:40:21 when developing interactive apps where user input is required the vim buffer for user input into the repl is a bit awkward 13:40:24 gaidal [~gaidal@61.144.106.123] has joined #lisp 13:41:15 one has to change to insert mode, and then be careful because ctrl-w deletes instead of switching windows 13:41:17 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@61.144.106.123] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:41:48 eMBee: hmmm, there's no g:slimv_open_repl=0 anymore ... 13:41:51 gaidal [~gaidal@61.144.106.123] has joined #lisp 13:42:08 there was? oh 13:42:31 eMBee: you could try to (setf *standard-input* *terminal-io*) 13:43:08 Odin- [~sbkhh@adsl-2-92.du.snerpa.is] has joined #lisp 13:43:09 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@61.144.106.123] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:43:10 (defun addn(n) 13:43:11 #'(lambda (x) 13:43:11 (+ x n))) 13:43:19 kruhft [~user@209.89.22.115] has joined #lisp 13:43:20 (setf add5 (addn 5)) 13:43:20 it would work better if vim had an option to set a buffer append only. (disable all editing commands except append to the end of the buffer) 13:43:26 chenbing: in the future, try using paste.lisp.org for code. 13:43:47 i will to test it 13:43:55 gaidal [~gaidal@61.144.106.123] has joined #lisp 13:44:10 zenlunatic [~justin@c-68-48-40-231.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:44:10 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@61.144.106.123] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:44:49 gaidal [~gaidal@61.144.106.123] has joined #lisp 13:45:07 -!- lnostdal [~Lars@ti0030a380-dhcp0111.bb.online.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:45:08 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@61.144.106.123] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:45:10 eMBee: there are already some ideas how to make the behaviour better ... but just send your ideas to Tamás. He's on holiday right now, but he'll surely get back to you. 13:45:43 gaidal [~gaidal@61.144.106.123] has joined #lisp 13:47:28 -!- fe[nl]ix [~quassel@pdpc/supporter/professional/fenlix] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:47:36 fe[nl]ix [~quassel@pdpc/supporter/professional/fenlix] has joined #lisp 13:48:50 Xach using paste.lisp.org need a account in freenode?i tested but blank 13:48:51 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@61.144.106.123] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:49:14 chenbing: it should work without an account on freenode... what did it say? 13:49:38 chenbing: you don't need an account. http://paste.lisp.org/display/125636 is it. 13:49:50 spacefrogg [~spacefrog@unaffiliated/spacefrogg] has joined #lisp 13:49:58 chenbing: your error is trying to look up the name ADD5 in the function namespace with the #' special operator. it is a variable. 13:50:06 chenbing: (mapcar add5 ...) is what you would normally use. 13:51:13 isee whati need is just picking the url into here i 13:51:28 thanks 13:53:34 yes it works,this problem is annoying me few days,thanks 13:54:47 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has joined #lisp 13:57:56 *Xach* wonders what's up with Leslie P. Polzer 13:58:15 His cl-oauth does not work with new hunchentoot, I wonder if he is available for updates these days. 14:02:37 -!- ehu [~ehuels@109.33.3.64] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:02:38 spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-ijkjdjkpdcfdhbih] has joined #lisp 14:03:51 -!- naryl [~weechat@213.170.70.141] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:04:16 ehu [~ehuels@109.33.3.64] has joined #lisp 14:04:31 naryl [~weechat@213.170.70.141] has joined #lisp 14:05:22 -!- todun [~todun@SEAS335.wlan.seas.upenn.edu] has quit [Quit: :q] 14:06:29 Xach ,found (setf symbol-function 'add5)...)will be ok 14:06:38 chenbing: not a great idea. 14:06:39 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 14:06:51 o ~~ 14:08:27 aliao [~john@123.5.152.134] has joined #lisp 14:08:45 chenbing: having a variable bound to a function object is no big deal. no need to name it in the function namespace too, in general. 14:10:08 dlowe [dlowe@nat/google/x-kghddhohtjlxtjak] has joined #lisp 14:10:08 -!- spacefrogg [~spacefrog@unaffiliated/spacefrogg] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:10:17 what mean "no big deal"? 14:10:38 -!- drake01 [~drake01@unaffiliated/drake01] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 14:11:33 i see throw google translation 14:11:36 chenbing: it means there are tools to use variables bound to functions, and you do not need to do additional action (like setting the symbol-function of a like-named symbol) to make good use of them. 14:13:02 -!- aliao [~john@123.5.152.134] has left #lisp 14:14:02 redline6561: are you working on a project with lpolzer? 14:14:48 Xach: if it holds up your release, i could fork cl-oauth and make an intermediate version for quicklisp. let me know. i'd also make a hunchentoot 1.2.1 with doc updates before your release 14:15:18 H4ns: I will probably go the opposite direction, and go back to the older hunchentoot for November and hope things can shake out properly in the following month. 14:15:34 Xach: that is fine by me, too 14:15:49 nicdev_ [~user@static-72-74-85-37.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 14:17:47 oconnore [~Eric@c-66-31-125-56.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:19:22 -!- alesguzik_ [~alesguzik@195.222.85.160.altoros.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:20:20 EmmanuelOga [~emmanuel@190.244.27.236] has joined #lisp 14:27:06 bobbysmith0071 [~russ@216.155.103.30] has joined #lisp 14:28:25 good bye 14:28:28 -!- bobbysmith007 [~russ@216.155.103.30] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:30:22 francogrex [~user@109.130.95.81] has joined #lisp 14:31:58 boei [~boei@44.Red-83-33-86.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 14:34:16 -!- gensym [~user@dslb-088-071-149-049.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:34:26 I have 2 lists, say list-1 '(0 0 0 0 0 0 0 ... 30 zeros) which is bigger than list-2 '(2 5 6 0); what is the efficient way to add elements from list-2 to elements of list-1 (incf elements of list-1 with elements of list-2) but starting at a position x (for example pos 7 of list-1) ? 14:35:32 gavinharper [~gavinharp@dyn3-82-128-184-20.psoas.suomi.net] has joined #lisp 14:35:51 *madnificent* would use an ugly loop 14:36:03 how ugly? 14:36:17 -!- cfy [~cfy@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:36:35 francogrex: recursion ftw 14:36:35 i'd loop and use the index, not the nice solution, there must be something better 14:37:09 MoALTz [~no@host-92-8-240-99.as43234.net] has joined #lisp 14:37:17 I'd say if you wanted to add a list of zeros to something, maybe it doesn't need to be done 14:37:37 francogrex: use (incf (aref list-1 i) (aref list-2 i)) << that idea, but i'd believe something more efficient exists 14:37:39 no I want to add something tyo a list of zeros 14:37:41 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:37:43 -!- e-user [e-user@nat/nokia/x-ufmlyotbsygqevxl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:37:45 aref on a list? 14:37:47 -!- akahl [e-user@nat/nokia/x-pihlcipayntggkhd] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:37:52 and keep adding 14:38:08 e-user [e-user@nat/nokia/x-ghdyqecojjdvyxju] has joined #lisp 14:38:09 oh, it's a list! sorry, i hadn't noticed that 14:38:15 oh, I see 14:38:59 topeak [~topeak@123.103.27.15] has joined #lisp 14:39:09 dlowe: yes, there will be list-2, then list-3 etc all small lists which elements be added at different position in the mother list-1 14:39:25 spacefrogg [~spacefrog@unaffiliated/spacefrogg] has joined #lisp 14:39:55 (loop for cons-1 on list-1 as el-2 in list-2 do (incf (car cons-1) el-2)) 14:40:06 -!- MoALTz_ [~no@host-92-18-9-215.as13285.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:40:13 lunch, i think 14:41:11 francogrex: If you know all these lists beforehand, I'd go through them all in parallel 14:41:20 if that makes sense here 14:41:38 otherwise you could use nthcdr to address the data 14:42:16 francogrex: and you /don't/ want to cons, right? 14:42:25 hmm, would (mapcar #'incf (nthcdr list-1 7) list-2) work? perhaps even map-into ... 14:43:37 incf is a macro. But of course, we have 1+. 14:44:06 flip214: (nthcdr list-1 7) ? 14:45:18 ah, scrolled back... (map-into #'+ (nthcdr ) (nthcdr ) ) 14:46:33 ISF [~ivan@201.82.172.81] has joined #lisp 14:46:43 benbelly [~bholm1@cpe-72-230-177-107.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 14:47:55 claint [~user@88.242.64.178] has joined #lisp 14:49:24 dlowe: your suggestion doesn't take into account position number 14:49:43 right. throw in a nthcdr there 14:50:19 xjrn [~chatzilla@c-76-21-48-114.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:51:31 akovalenko: this way: (map-into (nthcdr 7 list-1) #'+ (nthcdr 0 list-2)) is fine isn't it? 14:51:47 (nthcdr 0 ...) is a no-op 14:52:06 francogrex: yeah, that should work 14:52:22 and you wanted to increment a segment by values from another segment? then you have to list the updated segment twice.. 14:52:41 (map-into #'+ ) 14:52:54 like, x_n = x_n + y_n 14:52:55 -!- oconnore [~Eric@c-66-31-125-56.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:53:17 akovalenko: true, otherwise it incf only once 14:53:41 ahinki_ [~chatzilla@212.99.10.150] has joined #lisp 14:54:09 single-argument + for numbers is identity. 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I'm running (drakma:http-request "https://reviewboard/api/review-requests") and getting errors. 15:08:58 tanglisha [~tanglisha@c-71-231-137-202.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:09:08 benbelly: which implementation, which version? 15:09:09 Works OK with http 15:09:17 sbcl 1.0.52 15:09:32 whoops sbcl 1.0.50 15:09:57 try binaries from , just in case. I have succeeded with SSL on them. 15:10:45 thanks. I'll give that a shot 15:10:58 -!- blackwol` is now known as blackwolf 15:11:31 benbelly: how goes the bellyblog? 15:12:15 heh. Abandoned long ago :) I'm surprised you remember 15:12:41 the name sounds cool 15:12:46 *Xach* has been waiting patiently for new posts :( 15:13:05 I went back to get my CS masters, and a lot of things fell by the wayside 15:13:12 Maybe I'll start it up again... 15:13:25 Xach: as we are for lisp tips! ;-) 15:13:51 *akovalenko* checked his recent sbcl/windows with cl+ssl and drakma, and it seems to work. 15:15:47 ok the map-into works fine, can I prevent outputting the result-sequence 15:15:47 it becomes annoying to have all those printed on repl when riunning a large program 15:16:16 (prog1 nil ), for example 15:16:30 (values (values nil )) 15:16:50 (and nil) 15:17:06 akovalenko: heh, i always use progn instead of prog1 for it. though neither is really expresive 15:17:20 (progn ... (values)) 15:19:48 madnificent: maybe it's just me, but I find prog1 better for... writability: having to remember to put/keep nil at the end while I'm writing body eats extra register in my memory :) 15:20:15 And you close your parentheses yourself too... 15:20:48 ahinki_ [~chatzilla@212.99.10.150] has joined #lisp 15:20:50 -!- ahinki [~chatzilla@212.99.10.150] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:20:52 -!- ahinki_ is now known as ahinki 15:21:08 akovalenko: yeah, i didn't find it dumb. i think i prefer prog1 over progn now that i've thought about it... though in the end, i think i'd write a function (defun sideffect-only (&rest args) (values)) and use that if i'd need it more often. 15:21:21 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@62-84-51-137.customers.almanet.kz] has joined #lisp 15:21:21 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@62-84-51-137.customers.almanet.kz] has quit [Changing host] 15:21:21 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 15:21:30 (prog1 (values) ...) cannot work. 15:21:31 Noo. In fact, when I use (progn .. nil), sometimes I type that nil in advance, and it distracts from actual code, though saves memory.. 15:21:41 antgreen [~user@bas3-toronto06-1177698375.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 15:21:53 When you don't want the result, you don't want any result, including nil... 15:22:05 pjb: that's right (and of course I don't stubborn enough for (m-v-prog1 (values))) 15:22:05 -!- aerique [310225@xs8.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: ...] 15:22:26 pjb: that's not the case, though; it's not that you want specifically no result, it's that you don't want a large, boring result. 15:22:35 a short, boring result can be ok 15:22:42 -!- gensym [~user@dslb-088-071-149-049.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:22:43 *Xach* just sets *print-length* most of the time 15:24:38 gensym [~user@dslb-088-071-149-049.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 15:24:40 The right tool for the right job. 15:25:00 *print-length* is bad for (ql:system-list), unless we remember to use system-apropos instead.. 15:25:41 *Xach* has not yet used ql:system-list 15:25:41 i am trying to use line someone pasted earlier in the channel to build an executable on windows using CCL. getting errors though. what am I doing wrong? 15:25:49 (pasting code give me a moment) 15:25:57 with *pprint-dispatch*, it's possible to explain to printer that ql:system-list's result is /never/ boring :) 15:26:09 -!- duomo [~duomo@d90h103.public.simons-rock.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 15:26:52 http://paste.lisp.org/display/125638 15:27:11 akovalenko: It works! Thanks so much. 15:27:12 yes a shorting boring nil is better than a annoying stream on repl 15:27:13 I get that error when I try to run produced executable 15:31:07 lester2: not reproduced on Linux/amd64. Did you try some newer and/or some older CCL? 15:31:26 -!- jaminja [~jaminja@unaffiliated/jaminja] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:31:42 the exception code is of guard page violation, normally happens on Windows when the control stack overflows.. 15:32:08 jaminja [~jaminja@76.76.24.43] has joined #lisp 15:32:08 -!- jaminja [~jaminja@76.76.24.43] has quit [Changing host] 15:32:08 jaminja [~jaminja@unaffiliated/jaminja] has joined #lisp 15:32:33 -!- xan_ [~xan@62.Red-2-138-181.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:33:08 I haven't tried other versions, just have 1.6 installed 15:34:01 There's a version 1.7 for windows. 15:37:43 gravicappa [~gravicapp@80.90.116.82] has joined #lisp 15:39:30 I'll give it a try in a moment 15:43:11 nyef [~nyef@c-174-63-105-188.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:43:20 G'morning all. 15:43:25 hello nyef 15:43:32 hi! 15:45:21 oconnore [~Eric@75-150-66-254-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 15:46:09 -!- 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[~joshe@opal.elsasser.org] has joined #lisp 16:26:59 Does anyone know if there's any efforts in developing a jar-like mechanism for SBCL (or other lisps) on windows? Essentially allowing you to package your system as a bunch of fasl files that get loaded into the lisp upon 'execution'. This is assuming that the host system has a lisp installed. The purpose is to deliver applications without having to package together the lisp they run on. Of course there's issues 16:27:00 with some fasls not being compatible even across versions of the same lisp, but still 16:27:45 Zulu_Inuoe: I don't know of any work to make that convenient. 16:27:59 Zulu_Inuoe: I think the people who would know how to do that would just ship a big binary. 16:29:16 Xach: Roger. I just figure it has its own advantages like if you have a bunch of applications, they each have a copy of SBCL, which seems really ineficcient from a memory perspective 16:29:36 it doesn't use any more memory... 16:29:42 disk space, maybe 16:29:51 dlowe: Yes, sorry 16:30:06 Zulu_Inuoe: i use buildapp's argv[0] dispatching for that. 16:30:19 not suitable for every situation, but works for me in some cases. 16:31:43 -!- zfx [~zfx@unaffiliated/zfx] has quit [Quit: Be back later] 16:32:14 -!- todun [~todun@SEAS104.wlan.seas.upenn.edu] has quit [Quit: :q] 16:32:34 Xach: I'm afraid I'm not familiar with that 16:33:08 chrnybo` [~user@148.122.202.244] has joined #lisp 16:33:11 -!- chrnybo [~user@148.122.202.244] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:33:39 zfx [~zfx@109.174.157.242] has joined #lisp 16:33:39 -!- zfx [~zfx@109.174.157.242] has quit [Changing host] 16:33:39 zfx [~zfx@unaffiliated/zfx] has joined #lisp 16:33:51 anyone heard of p2p libraries or frameworks for lisp? 16:34:25 -!- drake01 [~drake01@unaffiliated/drake01] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:34:33 guaqua: i heard about someone working on a bittorrent implementation, but i don't know if anything came of it. 16:34:59 *akovalenko* considers adding a windows resource to sbcl runtime where the core's basename could be recorded. Then we could have foo.exe and bar.exe (copies of 300k runtime), loading huge.core from the same directory.. 16:35:04 okay. i've been thinking of doing something like a p2p botnet for monitoring purposes 16:37:28 Zulu_Inuoe: the fasl of various implementations are concatenable (eg. clisp and sbcl). 16:37:43 Zulu_Inuoe: otherwise, you'd just save an image, possibly an executable image. 16:37:53 -!- zfx [~zfx@unaffiliated/zfx] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:38:04 -!- ISF [~ivan@201.82.172.81] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.6] 16:38:45 SegFaultAX|work [~mkbernard@173.228.45.162] has joined #lisp 16:39:15 benkard [~benkard@141.84.69.67] has joined #lisp 16:39:35 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:39:35 pjb: Forgive my ignorance of terminology but by concatenable do you mean packing various formats into the same file, and have each lisp pick out the correct one? 16:39:49 versions* not formats 16:40:01 ..I think 16:40:02 dl [~download@chpcwl01.hpc.unm.edu] has joined #lisp 16:40:08 Zulu_Inuoe: cat *.fasl > whole-application.fasl 16:40:21 pjb means that you can take a bunch of fasls for *the same* implementation, join them together with copy a+b c or with cat, and use the result as fasl 16:40:21 sbcl whole-application.fasl 16:41:08 Yes, each to its own. 16:41:32 Oh okay. That's good to know 16:42:10 But again, for the user it's more practical to generate an executable image. It's like a statically linked executable. 16:43:15 The user may download an upgrading fasl, and his existing big executable can load it and redump itself. 16:44:25 pjb: Yes I agree, though it'd be pretty nifty to tell windows to execute fasls by loading them into SBCL, so essentially you ship that big fasl on a system configured to handle it. (just like systems that use jars are configured to run them through java) 16:45:18 Zulu_Inuoe: yes. The problem with this is that fasl files are specific to each version. So if the user has sbcl-1.0.34 and you compiled the fasl with sbcl-1.0.35, it won't work. 16:45:31 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@ceres.etla.org] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:45:33 And there's a new version of sbcl each month. 16:45:34 pjb: That, and not everyone uses sbcl 16:45:50 well, to my knowledge haha.. 16:46:14 there's a restart for loading "officially incompatible" fasls in sbcl, and real incompatibilities are not so frequent now.. 16:46:41 granted. But for a user it may be redhibitory. 16:47:20 *akovalenko* would prefer not to burden users with downloading and installing upgrades at all. Let an application do it instead. 16:47:55 Right. 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Have barly gotten lisp open other than to update our billing software here and there 17:30:38 ISF [~ivan@201.82.172.81] has joined #lisp 17:31:58 -!- SeySayux [~SeySayux@unaffiliated/seysayux] has quit [Quit: SeySayux] 17:33:03 milanj [~milanj_@93-87-194-178.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined #lisp 17:33:04 -!- todun [~todun@c-68-80-95-42.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: todun] 17:33:54 -!- antgreen [~user@bas3-toronto06-1177698375.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:35:09 antgreen [~user@bas3-toronto06-1177698375.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 17:38:40 -!- gigamonk` [~user@adsl-99-155-195-115.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:40:34 -!- ehu [~ehuels@109.33.3.64] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:42:53 -!- hlavaty [~user@91-65-217-112-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:43:33 Is there a way I can query my current package and get a name for it? 17:43:51 (package-name *package*) 17:43:55 thank you 17:44:07 Joreji_ [~thomas@vpn-ei1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 17:44:21 note that it will give you the package name in execution time 17:44:34 The package name while executing? 17:44:44 oh 17:44:49 That's fine. 17:44:55 todun [~todun@c-68-80-95-42.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:45:13 (Trying to figure out where a function is hiding in StumpWM, and it's being elusive.) 17:45:52 -!- EmmanuelOga [~EmmanuelO@190.244.27.236] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 17:46:03 ChibaPet: use apropos 17:47:58 m7w [50f9568f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.249.86.143] has joined #lisp 17:49:06 I'm not plugged into StumpWM via SLIME yet. It's conceivable it's returning something and I'm not able to see it yet. I'll work on that. 17:52:03 apropos isn't a slime function 17:54:20 mcsontos [~mcsontos@hotspot8.rywasoft.net] has joined #lisp 17:54:23 -!- Joreji_ [~thomas@vpn-ei1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:54:38 No, but I'm typing it into StumpWM's eval prompt, and I'm not certain that it's going to return output to me in any meaningful way. 17:55:12 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:55:39 Which is to say, I'm not sure how to interpret the little box I get from (apropos "RESIZE-FRAME" :stumpwm) 17:56:05 -!- dl [~download@chpcwl01.hpc.unm.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:56:47 (And my thought was that I might see more if I invoked it from a SLIME session.) 17:59:09 Amyn [~abennama@m328eth.crans.org] has joined #lisp 17:59:24 EmmanuelOga [~emmanuel@190.244.27.236] has joined #lisp 18:00:39 Ah, I can get textual output from (documentation) on-screen. But that confirms that there's no function of the desired name handy. Very strange. 18:03:08 The function I want is not being exported. I believe that's my issue anyway. 18:03:15 Maybe it's a lexical function? 18:05:18 Time to learn about sneaking into a package other than my own and causing something to be exported. :P 18:05:30 codelurker [~codelurke@c-65-96-208-17.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:05:45 -!- codelurker [~codelurke@c-65-96-208-17.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 18:05:52 Either just use the double-colon, or use EXPORT. The former is poor style, and the latter is simply dangerous. 18:05:58 codelurker [~codelurke@c-65-96-208-17.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:07:29 You can also IMPORT. 18:07:37 A symbol need not be exported to import it. 18:08:25 or put an :import-from form on your current package's defpackage form (which is the most convenient way to have them made available, imho) 18:08:38 drake01 [~drake01@unaffiliated/drake01] has joined #lisp 14:16:53 ccl-logbot [~ccl-logbo@setf.clozure.com] has joined #lisp 14:16:53 14:16:53 -!- names: ccl-logbot ecraven parabolize gringomorcego bobbysmith007 ybit lemoinem levi oGMo quasisane Nisstyre tali713 gko petter``` buhman Pepe_ spacebat C-Keen ramkrsna ISF_ s0ber mal Xof AntiSpamMeta jiacobucci anonus kruft djanatyn blackwolf hugod psilord Yuuhi`` dlowe_lt shachaf_ chrnybo` krrrcks setmeaway2 guaqua aoh tessier rainyrhy antoszka pinterface1 Mandus sdemarre wbooze` ace4016 mindCrime Jasko Dodek sellout-1 daniel_ ``Erik_ superflit Faed benkard_ 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scharan [~scharan@169.235.25.47] has joined #lisp 14:28:20 Xach: what should i do ? 14:28:44 homie`: Find a person or people who care about the issue, talk to them. Or give up. 14:29:08 Xach: i don't give up, and i have not found another person to talk to.... 14:29:11 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:29:51 homie`: Count me as one person who is tired of seeing day after day of messages about your inability to use CLX or mcclim or cmucl. 14:30:08 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 14:30:09 nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@EM114-51-61-116.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 14:30:10 hah 14:30:11 -!- Izyda76 [~kulka76@77-255-63-209.adsl.inetia.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:30:13 homie`: you can count me in, too. 14:30:28 homie`: you're talking to yourself, anyway, so might as well create your own channel to do it in. 14:30:37 -!- newcup [newcup@peruna.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:32:13 -!- ``Erik_ is now known as ``Erik 14:33:01 PuffTheMagic [~PuffTheMa@unaffiliated/puffthemagic] has joined #lisp 14:33:01 j #funtoo 14:33:44 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:34:04 newcup [newcup@peruna.fi] has joined #lisp 14:36:22 ouch 14:37:11 -!- nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@EM114-51-61-116.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:37:19 -!- lnostdal [~Lars@ti0030a380-dhcp0111.bb.online.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:37:49 nyef [~nyef@c-174-63-105-188.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:37:53 -!- WordWow [~WordWow@adsl-76-233-38-184.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:37:57 G'morning all. 14:38:13 nyef: hi 14:38:59 What's the done thing for performing an HTTP request from a hunchentoot request handler on SBCL? 14:39:01 hi nyef 14:39:01 hmm 14:39:38 nyef: what do you mean? 14:39:49 WordWow [~WordWow@adsl-76-233-38-184.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 14:40:03 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@wbs-41-208-218-110.wbs.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:40:03 nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@EM114-51-61-116.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 14:40:55 _3b [foobar@cpe-72-179-19-4.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 14:40:55 I mean, I have a hunchentoot server running on SBCL. One of the request handlers finds that the local data store doesn't have the information it needs in order to return something useful to the client, so it has to make an HTTP GET request to some other server in order to get the data. 14:40:56 -!- WordWow [~WordWow@adsl-76-233-38-184.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:40:57 nyef: drakma is an easy option. 14:42:12 vert2 [vert2@gateway/shell/bshellz.net/x-uhmqpiyegtgeoaii] has joined #lisp 14:43:14 -!- krrrcks [~dbr@mail.systemhaus-brunner.de] has left #lisp 14:43:32 -!- gringomorcego [~gringo@c-24-91-217-37.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: gringomorcego] 14:43:43 nyef: I'd go with drakma 14:43:49 "Drakma - MetalCore from Mexico City"? Looks like the name is a touch overloaded, even if the weitz.de page IS first in the result list on google. 14:43:59 :D 14:44:14 -!- vert2 [vert2@gateway/shell/bshellz.net/x-uhmqpiyegtgeoaii] has quit [Client Quit] 14:44:15 WordWow [~WordWow@adsl-76-233-38-184.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 14:44:40 Okay, I'll give drakma a try. 14:45:23 MadAs_ER [~MadAs_ER@cm218-253-158-90.hkcable.com.hk] has joined #lisp 14:45:33 Intensity [eze1bCJjAL@unaffiliated/intensity] has joined #lisp 14:46:49 On a slightly different note, does anyone know why an MBP might get disconnected from a wifi network without the machine realizing it? 14:47:02 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.212.154] has quit [Quit: Offline] 14:47:15 It happens around here with obnoxious regularity, and only to the MBPs. 14:47:49 nyef: might be an issue with firmware in wifi card 14:49:44 So the only thing to do is wait for Apple to push an update? 14:50:40 nicdev_ [~user@static-72-74-85-37.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 14:50:52 nyef: I'd recommend starting by running mac-level diagnostics 14:51:02 -!- WordWow [~WordWow@adsl-76-233-38-184.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:51:39 Okay, looks like drakma can hit http and https from my server machine, that'll have to do for now. 14:51:40 realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.139.160] has joined #lisp 14:51:41 *Xach* wound up writing his own thing for wigflip.com so he had precise control over dns and http deadlines 14:51:41 I found drakma to be quite pleasant to use 14:51:52 nyef: drakma's only lacking thing in my experience was lack of support for SOCKS proxy, something that actually should go to socket layr 14:51:55 *layer 14:51:57 cesarbp [~cbolano@187.193.232.190] has joined #lisp 14:52:24 ymmv 14:52:26 nyef: many times the fact that a machine can receive a wifi signal doesn't mean the access point can receive one from the machine 14:58:47 -!- ISF_ [~ivan@201.82.172.81] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:58:47 Vivitron [~user@pool-173-48-170-228.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 14:58:47 -!- alvis [~alvis@tx-71-2-120-116.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Quit: Memento Mori] 14:58:47 -!- xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.154.137] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:58:47 wliao [~wliao@2001:cc0:2020:2021:1e75:8ff:fe60:3240] has joined #lisp 14:58:47 drl [~lat@110.139.229.172] has joined #lisp 14:58:47 -!- ahinki [~chatzilla@212.99.10.150] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 14:58:47 tiglog [~topeak@117.79.233.153] has joined #lisp 14:58:47 many times the access point is just batshit insane 14:58:48 (not joking) 14:58:48 dlowe_lt: Which isn't good, the machine is single-digit feet from the access point, and adjacent to a linux box which doesn't get knocked off (but does occasionally see an interference spike knock the signal strength down to about half). 14:58:48 p_l: Been there, done that, replaced the AP. 14:58:48 I love the WPA password limits, too. Not more than 15 characters, and no spaces. 14:58:48 kpreid [~kpreid@58-b0-35-3f-2e-28.wlan.clarkson.edu] has joined #lisp 14:58:48 (The no-spaces thing from the AP, the 15-character thing from the printer.) 14:58:48 xan_ [~xan@65.Red-95-122-110.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 14:58:48 The not-documenting-the-limits thing from both. And they're essentially arbitrary limits, too. 14:58:48 Oh well. 14:58:48 Back to hacking. 14:58:48 nyef: you might want to have the linux machine run constant sniffing, maybe even on low-level 14:58:48 Hmm? 14:58:48 Two questions. How do I do that, and what do I hope to learn? 14:58:48 you can do that with wireshark using monitor mode, and it lets you find things like "is the WiFi card actually communicating? Was there a dissasociation packet?" etc. 14:58:53 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@93-138-101-4.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:58:55 though for best results you might need to run sniffer on AP to see all the traffic (WPA encrypted traffic looks funny in packet traces :D) 14:59:16 ldlework [~dlacewell@c-67-184-74-34.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:59:23 -!- mikejs [~mike@ec2-50-16-185-74.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:59:30 though you can apparently set wpa decryption in wireshark 14:59:36 ISF [~ivan@201.82.172.81] has joined #lisp 14:59:50 Okay, I'll put that on my queue. Thanks. 15:00:07 -!- dlowe_lt [dlowe@nat/google/x-wzkxsgnxvledeqge] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:01:30 an example thing I figured through that - I had an AP that didn't seem to forward traffic correctly, so I used monitor mode sniffing to see 802.11 packets directly to check whether it properly logged in, then normal ethernet layer sniffing to diagnose further (it was a case of non-working ARP Proxy) 15:01:54 Almost as interesting as dead keys in CLX. 15:02:01 :) 15:02:18 WordWow [~WordWow@adsl-76-233-38-184.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 15:02:32 dnolen [~davidnole@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 15:02:52 gtrak [~gtrak```@173.13.240.205] has joined #lisp 15:03:03 -!- wliao [~wliao@2001:cc0:2020:2021:1e75:8ff:fe60:3240] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:03:23 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.139.160] has quit [Quit: realitygrill] 15:04:06 alvis [~alvis@tx-71-2-120-116.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #lisp 15:04:16 kennyd [~kennyd@93-138-101-4.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 15:04:25 -!- wolfpython [~wolf@222.95.134.198] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:05:30 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@58-b0-35-3f-2e-28.wlan.clarkson.edu] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 15:06:12 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 15:07:01 -!- WordWow [~WordWow@adsl-76-233-38-184.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:07:33 WordWow [~WordWow@adsl-76-233-38-184.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 15:07:33 -!- MadAs_ER [~MadAs_ER@cm218-253-158-90.hkcable.com.hk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:09:12 antgreen [user@nat/redhat/x-vhmexwssmikltigv] has joined #lisp 15:10:17 -!- syrinx_ [~syrinx_@unaffiliated/syrinx-/x-4255893] has quit [Quit: goodbye blue sky, goodbye] 15:10:56 ahinki [~chatzilla@212.99.10.150] has joined #lisp 15:11:18 syrinx_ [~syrinx_@unaffiliated/syrinx-/x-4255893] has joined #lisp 15:13:21 -!- syrinx_ [~syrinx_@unaffiliated/syrinx-/x-4255893] has quit [Client Quit] 15:14:27 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@85-18-55-37.ip.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:16:12 leo2007 [~leo@222.130.140.117] has joined #lisp 15:17:12 tmh [4b1be7fa@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/tmh] has joined #lisp 15:17:22 Greetings lispers. 15:18:13 drake01 [~drake01@115.246.201.115] has joined #lisp 15:18:13 -!- drake01 [~drake01@115.246.201.115] has quit [Changing host] 15:18:14 drake01 [~drake01@unaffiliated/drake01] has joined #lisp 15:18:16 Houl [~Miranda@unaffiliated/houl] has joined #lisp 15:18:47 -!- drake01 [~drake01@unaffiliated/drake01] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 15:19:15 sacho [~sacho@90.154.214.110] has joined #lisp 15:20:06 I'm thinking of writing a function that will unintern all symbols with no value, no function, and a null plist. After working with an image for a while, various unbound symbols can accumulate and they are annoying. Does anyone know if such a function exists so I don't have to implement it? 15:21:00 -!- drl [~lat@110.139.229.172] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:21:16 Isn't that the so-called GCTWA feature? 15:22:08 I'm not familiar with that acronym. 15:22:31 Garbage Collect The World, Already? 15:22:57 tsuru [~charlie@adsl-98-87-48-164.bna.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 15:23:07 Ah Google, my friend, Garbage Collect Truly Worthless Atoms 15:23:20 drake01 [~drake01@115.246.201.115] has joined #lisp 15:23:20 -!- drake01 [~drake01@115.246.201.115] has quit [Changing host] 15:23:20 drake01 [~drake01@unaffiliated/drake01] has joined #lisp 15:23:25 -!- bbsch [~bbs@c-67-173-0-18.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: bbsch] 15:23:45 -!- Guest52308 is now known as X-Scale 15:23:49 dlowe [dlowe@nat/google/x-iwogrijluoovnzhd] has joined #lisp 15:24:00 -!- drake01 [~drake01@unaffiliated/drake01] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 15:24:28 Hmm, there is some reference to this in the Maclisp Manual 15:26:39 slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-99-190-98-219.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 15:26:53 am0c [~am0c@222.235.56.83] has joined #lisp 15:27:22 -!- WordWow [~WordWow@adsl-76-233-38-184.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:27:35 Kron_ [~Kron@129-97-120-232.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #lisp 15:29:41 bbsch [~bbs@128.135.100.102] has joined #lisp 15:30:05 i've had good luck wrapping drakma http-requests in trivial-timeout. 15:30:43 -!- Faed is now known as Fade 15:34:43 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:39:45 WordWow [~WordWow@76.233.38.184] has joined #lisp 15:40:57 tritchey [~tritchey@12.207.196.2] has joined #lisp 15:41:16 Qworkescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 15:41:46 rstandy` [~rastandy@93-63-185-248.ip29.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 15:42:48 benkard [~benkard@141.84.69.67] has joined #lisp 15:43:27 gkeith_lt [georgekeit@nat/google/x-xpnlcemovklqkyhj] has joined #lisp 15:44:05 -!- gkeith_lt [georgekeit@nat/google/x-xpnlcemovklqkyhj] has quit [Client Quit] 15:44:27 -!- tritchey [~tritchey@12.207.196.2] has quit [Client Quit] 15:45:23 -!- rstandy [~rastandy@93-63-185-248.ip29.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:45:55 Amyn [~abennama@giv69-1-82-232-166-106.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 15:46:12 -!- Amyn [~abennama@giv69-1-82-232-166-106.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Client Quit] 15:46:43 -!- rtoym [~chatzilla@c-67-180-54-112.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:47:49 gkeith_lt [georgekeit@nat/google/x-mahjybqvmykljjwd] has joined #lisp 15:49:40 So, my trial gctwa function that simply collects the symbols without uninterning them illustrates why this function is not available. It is difficult(impossible?) to automate the determination of truly worthless atoms. 15:50:43 -!- WordWow [~WordWow@76.233.38.184] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:50:46 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:50:53 dl [~download@chpcwl01.hpc.unm.edu] has joined #lisp 15:51:26 Right. GCTWA is broken in the general case. 15:52:16 Simply because you could attach a semantic to FIND-SYMBOL returning a symbol for some name, regardless of any other considerations. 15:52:18 joast [~rick@76.178.187.139] has joined #lisp 15:52:37 e.g. some implementation of string-case. 15:53:03 rtoym [~chatzilla@c-67-180-54-112.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:54:45 Continuing on, you have class slot initargs as another possible use of symbol-as-identity. 15:55:03 -!- bobbysmith007 [~russ@216.155.103.30] has left #lisp 15:55:05 We could probably turn up a few more use-cases without half trying. 15:55:12 -!- iwillig [~ivan@dyn-128-59-151-161.dyn.columbia.edu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:55:17 In my naive implementation, it collected the loop keywords. 15:55:40 fmeyer [~fmeyer@c9518865.virtua.com.br] has joined #lisp 15:55:52 that's actually ok 15:55:55 ... that's fine, loop keywords are compared by symbol-name. 15:55:58 the loop keywords work by name 15:56:02 It also collected all symbols local to the functions in the package. 15:56:38 Seems reasonable, if you don't have full debug maps. 15:57:08 Well, the symbols that are often annoying me have the name slot filled, they are just not being used. 15:57:16 in-ok [~user@h-176-10-226-22.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined #lisp 15:57:24 -!- in-ok [~user@h-176-10-226-22.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has left #lisp 15:57:34 All symbols have the name slot filled. 15:57:54 btw, what do you guys think of typed memory regions to have unboxed data? 15:58:04 ikki [~ikki@201.155.92.12] has joined #lisp 15:58:10 Ok, I thought so, I guess I'm not following the points you guys are making. 15:58:29 p_l: As in, the memory region has a type of "unboxed"? 15:58:41 gz [~gz@209-6-49-85.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 15:58:43 p_l: reminds me of http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.lisp/msg/5dcff3a04f07a812 which i saved long ago 15:58:45 nyef: no, as in "this page has only unboxed 64bit integers in it" 15:58:56 Oh. Why? 15:59:12 Xach: it's what prompted me, though I went into that some time ago on my own 15:59:47 nyef: cheap way to provide unboxed data with minimal redirection? 15:59:59 iwillig [~ivan@dyn-128-59-150-107.dyn.columbia.edu] has joined #lisp 16:00:12 nyef: That I understand 16:00:14 nyef: That I understand 16:00:17 -!- gz [~gz@209-6-49-85.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has left #lisp 16:00:26 WordWow [~WordWow@76.233.38.184] has joined #lisp 16:00:32 Disregard my last 2 posts, was reading back 16:00:46 in my design, it was originally to simplify GC, by providing regions that can't contain pointers 16:01:26 -!- ahinki [~chatzilla@212.99.10.150] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 8.0/20111102223350]] 16:01:52 I think SBCL supports pages of "unboxed" data in GENCGC. 16:02:26 bzzbzz [~franco@modemcable240.34-83-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 16:02:33 -!- WordWow [~WordWow@76.233.38.184] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:03:08 WordWow [~WordWow@adsl-76-233-38-184.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 16:03:20 nyef: all of that actually comes to a crazy idea of mine about concurrent GC for SBCL 16:03:29 situ [~quassel@223.183.162.3] has joined #lisp 16:03:55 Heh. Most of my concurrent-gc ideas for SBCL foundered upon the rock of Win32 memory management being so completely horrible. 16:05:11 nyef: I wanted to try with Dis' GC, because it had minimal requirements for support 16:05:28 No requirement to double-map the pages? 16:05:33 (it's basically "need one write barrier somewhere to sync GC structures") 16:05:55 nyef: it has to work without MMU 16:05:58 It seems that most concurrent schemes require mapping some heap pages in two places at once. 16:07:16 And you can't do that with VirtualAlloc(), and you can't VirtualProtect() pages brought in via MapViewOfFile(), and your last option is some huge-pages API that I forget the name of which page-locks your data into RAM instead of allowing it to swap out. 16:10:32 -!- nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@EM114-51-61-116.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:10:43 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 16:11:20 juniorroy [~dima@212.36.228.103] has joined #lisp 16:11:22 -!- tiglog [~topeak@117.79.233.153] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:11:45 dru1d [~lukasz@82.177.172.217] has joined #lisp 16:13:02 -!- Blkt [~user@89-96-199-46.ip13.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Quit: gogogo] 16:14:20 nyef: double-mapping on darwin isn't very nice either. 16:14:24 -!- MoALTz [~no@host-92-18-25-149.as13285.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:14:49 unless you only need to frob permissions 16:15:04 Clearly, the thing to do is just get access to hack the MMU page tables directly. :-D 16:15:19 MoALTz [~no@host-92-8-236-147.as43234.net] has joined #lisp 16:15:22 does cl have a number formatting function that inserts commas between thousands (i.e. 1000000 => 1,000,000.00)? 16:15:36 Nah, you want double-mapping so that the collector can update a page that the mutator sees as read-only. 16:15:54 H4ns: FORMAT? 16:16:04 jdz: right, but how? 16:16:13 nyef: well, works for azul. 16:16:21 H4ns: PCL has the example. Looking now. 16:16:36 -!- gkeith_lt [georgekeit@nat/google/x-mahjybqvmykljjwd] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:16:39 nyef: I want double mapping for cheap CoW (: 16:16:46 ~:d apparently 16:16:52 felideon: thanks! 16:17:04 no problem 16:18:47 Hrm. Okay, connection died again, and I'm seeing repeated ARP Who-has for the gateway, and for any host I try to ping. 16:19:09 gkeith_lt [georgekeit@nat/google/x-mrswmdltyugsxjpi] has joined #lisp 16:19:32 djcb [djcb@nat/nokia/x-pnbziunlmrghjjgv] has joined #lisp 16:19:34 ~:D is the happiest format directive, the smiling little fellow with a feather in his cap 16:19:41 -!- bbsch [~bbs@128.135.100.102] has quit [Quit: bbsch] 16:20:12 -!- Kron_ [~Kron@129-97-120-232.uwaterloo.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:20:57 branch [~branch@178.155.223.232] has joined #lisp 16:22:49 -!- c_arenz [arenz@nat/ibm/x-ertgudwdhtkrewyo] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 16:25:04 -!- fe[nl]ix [~quassel@pdpc/supporter/professional/fenlix] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:25:11 fe[nl]ix [~quassel@pdpc/supporter/professional/fenlix] has joined #lisp 16:25:29 realitygrill [~realitygr@204.38.4.80] has joined #lisp 16:25:53 -!- ISF [~ivan@201.82.172.81] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 16:26:21 when i accidentially killed the *slime-repl* buffer, can i reconnect to the lisp? 16:26:26 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@204.38.4.80] has quit [Client Quit] 16:27:20 I think if you just M-x slime, it asks whether or not to create an additional inferior-lisp, no? 16:27:40 -!- rainyrhy is now known as rainyrhy_away 16:27:42 felideon: not if the *slime-repl* buffer is gone. 16:28:07 H4ns: should work - M-x slime does ask you about whether you want to use existing connection, and if it's truly disconnected, check what port was SWANK running on and execute slime-connect 16:28:09 hmm, seems to work for me 16:28:17 bbsch [~bbs@c-67-173-0-18.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:28:26 -!- WordWow [~WordWow@adsl-76-233-38-184.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:28:40 it doesn't ask me if i want to reconnect but just starts a fresh lisp. 16:28:44 well anyway. 16:29:05 WordWow [~WordWow@adsl-76-233-38-184.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 16:29:07 -!- WordWow [~WordWow@adsl-76-233-38-184.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:29:19 weird 16:29:28 Kron_ [~Kron@129-97-120-232.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #lisp 16:30:33 WordWow [~WordWow@adsl-76-233-38-184.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 16:30:37 -!- Guest95720 [~prefect@imamac13.epfl.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:31:02 lbc [~quassel@1908ds1-aboes.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #lisp 16:33:28 H4ns: M-x slime-connect, but works only if the swank server was started with :dont-close t 16:33:34 mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.142.117] has joined #lisp 16:33:39
Xach: When I follow the link to your QL survey, I get a blank page: When I go straight to the docs.google.com page, I can see it. I'm using FF 7.0.1 on MacOS 10.7 16:34:09 -!- rstandy` [~rastandy@93-63-185-248.ip29.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:34:28 dl: weird. 16:34:41
yeah! 16:35:07 300 responses so far 16:35:09 *dl* responded to the survey by going directly to the URL in the iframe ... 16:35:23 *dl* hopes it helps: QL is teh awesome! :) 16:35:23 -!- gko [gko@220-135-201-90.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:35:24 -!- newcup [newcup@peruna.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:35:41 43% responded planet lisp, 16% twitter, 10% reddit, 8% quicklisp blog 16:35:51 *dl* likes the new non-quicklisp directory stuff too! (too bad no symlinks (yet) in sbcl!) 16:36:04 Xach: i could not decide which one to choose: planet lisp or twitter 16:36:22 (aref #(planet twitter) (random 2)) 16:36:30 Xach: I couldn't decide which one to choose: Planet lisp or not-at-all. 16:36:57 if i look i look in planet lisp, i don't have twitter or facebook or whatnot..... 16:37:03 *dl* begs Xach to keep posting updates to planet.lisp! 16:37:03 and here 16:37:54 i responded with #lisp! 16:38:22 I am thinking about syndicating the quicklisp blog on planet lisp. It's just not the kind of voice i prefer there. 16:38:33 planets are for people! 16:39:05 tritchey [~tritchey@108.60.121.114] has joined #lisp 16:39:53 -!- WordWow [~WordWow@adsl-76-233-38-184.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:40:05 -!- bbsch [~bbs@c-67-173-0-18.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:40:06 Xach: i mean, i get the news from both; somtimes i get the news first from twitter on the phone, other times when catching up on RSS feeds 16:40:38 WordWow [~WordWow@adsl-76-233-38-184.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 16:41:52 Evil LOOP construct, I was just burned by using an AS instead of an AND. 16:42:22 ubuntu [~ubuntu@94-225-100-177.access.telenet.be] has joined #lisp 16:42:26 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@80.90.116.82] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:43:08 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.142.117] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 16:45:45 -!- sellout-1 is now known as sellout 16:47:28 Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@242.Red-88-24-175.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 16:48:11 -!- djcb [djcb@nat/nokia/x-pnbziunlmrghjjgv] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:49:31 msponge [~msponge@18.189.103.48] has joined #lisp 16:49:59 mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.142.117] has joined #lisp 16:52:05 -!- cesarbp [~cbolano@187.193.232.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:54:27 -!- Xof [~crhodes@dunstaple.doc.gold.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 16:54:39 wishbone4 [~user@167.216.131.126] has joined #lisp 16:55:46 ehu [~ehuels@109.38.34.192] has joined #lisp 16:56:15 -!- rainyrhy_away is now known as rainyrhy 16:57:49 -!- situ [~quassel@223.183.162.3] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:00:32 -!- lain_ [~lain@p5795AED5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 17:02:33 Bike [~Glossina@69.166.35.233] has joined #lisp 17:02:46
Xach: FWIW, I wish there was *more content* on planet.lisp on a daily basis, I can skim to see if I'm interested and skip over what I'm not... I read planet.lisp more than any other news source (seriously! :) and wish there was more news to read (of any sort!). But thats just me... 17:03:25 lain_ [~lain@p5797A658.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 17:03:59 dl: Me too. I don't want to just add things willy-nilly because I want more to read, though. 17:04:07 *Xach* is determined to write more 17:04:58 -!- jdz [~jdz@193.206.22.97] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:05:02 -!- rvirding [~chatzilla@c-3c90e255.56-4-64736c14.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has left #lisp 17:05:29 realitygrill [~realitygr@204.38.4.80] has joined #lisp 17:05:41 -!- lain_ [~lain@p5797A658.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Client Quit] 17:06:58
Xach: Sure, but I think QL is certainly apropos. I think a *lot* of planet.lisp readers use QL and are interested in the news. I wasn't really aware of the QL blog and will read it from now on either way! . o O ( I need to pay more attention! :) 17:07:40 when i started it, i didn't really think QL would be as popular as it is, and I didn't want to seem like I was foisting its blog on people. plus the aforementioned different voice. 17:08:03 *Xach* will think more about the foisting 17:08:04 McRibbit [~user@zaza3.ida.liu.se] has joined #lisp 17:08:31 rme [~rme@50.43.148.59] has joined #lisp 22:42:20 ccl-logbot [~ccl-logbo@setf.clozure.com] has joined #lisp 22:42:20 22:42:20 -!- names: ccl-logbot tali713 erg Tristam stickycake peterhil` yahooooo syrinx_ macrobat spacefrogg^ bege mornfall __main__ PissedNumlock vhost- foom freiksenet GeneralMaximus bfein ArmyOfBruce peterhil CallToPower tempire yroeht anonus k9quaint Vivitron fihi09 clop mtd__ Koven DrForr_ Jasko df kpal el-maxo redline6561_ wtetzner Borbus zenlunatic z0d mgr buhman duomo Axioplase_ scode Patzy samebchase billstclair cow-orker daniel_ derrida les deepfire p8m Mandus 22:42:20 -!- names: yan_ boyscared lonstein Guest39521 blackwol` coyo AntiSpamMeta Guest69993 benny EmmanuelOga ThomasH killerboy entrix_ insomniaSalt ltriant pferor theos xcv rme nowhere_man nonduality Athas Amadiro chp jacius LiamH dnolen s0ber ehu gigamonkey snearch H4ns ZabaQ madnificent paul0 cyrillos lolsuper_ drdo The_third_man mrSpec quasisane Cloud_ ikki stratobacker sellout X-Scale dlowe kennyd lemoinem oconnore gaidal Jeanne-Kamikaze EarlGray kjellkt BlankVerse 22:42:20 -!- names: homie alvis Kenjin gffa urandom__ tsuru` juniorroy abeaumont Yuuhi otakutomo Bahman pchrist mishoo stepnem drwho Salamander pspace Phoodus Brendan_T rahul jbalint katesmith ve klltkr BlastHardcheese xristos em Adlai vert2 lnostdal whoops totzeit Kryztof pjb cscolt naryl antoszka sanjoyd cmatei Euthy markskilbeck setmeaway kidfoo CaZe antifuchs bzzbzz schoppenhauer ASau Vutral levi quackv4 Posterdati aperturefever cYmen Jasko2 rotty_ j_king fmu C-Keen 22:42:20 -!- names: Iceland_jack dmiles_afk beslyrus froggey izz_ rpg ivan4th slyrus guther mogs rtoym cnl BrianRice dfox EyesIsServer Nshag SidH_ Shapeshifter nikodemus_ Zephyrus herbieB_ prip |3b| PuffTheMagic vpit3833 Tordek hugod pinterface literal tomaw guaqua ch077179 felipe oGMo mal sshirokov a7p gemelen schme shoerain daimrod art` Xach rotty finnrobi fe[nl]ix rootzlevel ljos churib jayne inklesspen vsync hyko muep Neronus clog Jabberwockey dodecahedron housel 22:42:20 -!- names: zakwilson morphling Obfuscate luis elliottjohnson sepi albino jsnell wolgo dcrawford gensym`` eno sbryant setheus_ cods Quadrescence Yamazaki-kun billitch joast TristamWrk pokes pkhuong adeht cmm ecraven ski_ OliverUv Hypah Fade koollman Intensity frozencemetery rabite aoh theBlackDragon tessier krl maxm----- `micro ``Erik Dodek nicdev_ Adrinael ruediger ineiros kanru _3b CrazyEddy Saeren eli orangejuice austinh rpgsimmaster flip214 v0|d felideon 22:42:20 -!- names: _mathrick Ralith qsun lusory Khisanth DaDaDosPrompt elliottcable newcup e0 chrnybo cataska gkeith_lt ace4016 Pepe_ jeekl phadthai _krappie_ alanpearce Demosthenes rtoyg jrockway scharan cpt_nemo tty234 limetree nuba kloeri djanatyn dRbiG eMBee devhost MikeSeth zbigniew ramus daedric reb galdor howeyc cmbntr johs SHODAN acieroid egn tychoish pok_ rsynnott df_aldur SpitfireWP p_l arbscht jlaire _root_ dsp_ JoHNMiDGLeY fridim shachaf tvaalen 22:42:20 jiacobucci [~jiacobucc@gw-asdl.ae.gatech.edu] has joined #lisp 22:42:22 -!- syrinx_ is now known as Guest51494 22:42:23 superflit [~superflit@71-33-155-94.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 22:42:25 troydm [~troydm@unaffiliated/troydm] has joined #lisp 22:42:28 Nisstyre [~yours@infocalypse-net.info] has joined #lisp 22:42:33 Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has joined #lisp 22:42:41 peddie [~peddie@88.198.40.136] has joined #lisp 22:43:34 -!- ThomasH [4b1349ad@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/tmh] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:43:35 anyone here know any java? 22:43:41 no fuck off 22:43:51 lol 22:43:53 lol 22:44:01 are you a bot? 22:44:20 are you the ambassador of the coffe inc ? 22:44:28 ja, ja. 22:44:31 lol 22:44:36 iwillig [~ivan@ool-ad03c1a0.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 22:44:37 ianmcorvidae [~ianmcorvi@pool-96-233-178-58.spfdma.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 22:44:37 -!- ianmcorvidae [~ianmcorvi@pool-96-233-178-58.spfdma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 22:44:37 ianmcorvidae [~ianmcorvi@fsf/member/ianmcorvidae] has joined #lisp 22:45:00 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has quit [Excess Flood] 22:45:22 if i knew java i would be rich i think.... 22:45:31 parabolize [~gyro@c-75-71-247-61.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:45:35 pnq [~nick@ACA27C7F.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 22:46:18 spacebat [~spacebat@ubermonkey.net] has joined #lisp 22:46:18 djinni` [~djinni`@li125-242.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 22:46:58 -!- superflit [~superflit@71-33-155-94.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:47:09 Bucciarati [~buccia@www.inscatolati.net] has joined #lisp 22:47:26 superflit [~superflit@71-33-155-94.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 22:49:20 -!- cyrillos [~cyrill@188.134.33.194] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:49:40 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has joined #lisp 22:50:25 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 22:52:04 -!- zenlunatic [~justin@c-68-48-40-231.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 22:52:17 -!- stickycake [~stickycak@64.134.240.123] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 22:53:19 incandenza [u726@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ujhysvscqalcrmpq] has joined #lisp 22:55:19 -!- iwillig [~ivan@ool-ad03c1a0.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:56:12 -!- pferor [~user@unaffiliated/pferor] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:57:36 jleija [~jleija@50.8.10.126] has joined #lisp 22:57:40 wbooze [~beirc-use@xdsl-87-79-198-84.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 22:58:37 -!- ASau [~user@89-178-12-27.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:58:38 pferor [~user@unaffiliated/pferor] has joined #lisp 22:59:23 Odin- [~sbkhh@adsl-2-92.du.snerpa.is] has joined #lisp 23:01:24 airolson [~airolson@CPE00222d55a738-CM00222d55a735.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 23:05:35 -!- gffa [~gffa@unaffiliated/gffa] has quit [Quit: sleep] 23:07:00 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:07:59 -!- pferor [~user@unaffiliated/pferor] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:10:26 pferor [~user@unaffiliated/pferor] has joined #lisp 23:14:53 homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-129-132.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 23:16:38 akovalenko [~akovalenk@95.73.50.234] has joined #lisp 23:16:44 -!- wbooze [~beirc-use@xdsl-87-79-198-84.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:17:01 beirc-user [~beirc-use@xdsl-78-35-129-132.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 23:17:04 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-87-79-198-84.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:18:09 -!- homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-129-132.netcologne.de] has quit [Client Quit] 23:20:45 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-129-132.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 23:24:31 -!- Bahman [~Bahman@2.144.214.67] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:26:26 insomnia1alt [~milan@port-92-204-95-4.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 23:26:26 -!- insomnia1alt [~milan@port-92-204-95-4.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Changing host] 23:26:26 insomnia1alt [~milan@unaffiliated/iammilan] has joined #lisp 23:29:20 -!- insomniaSalt [~milan@unaffiliated/iammilan] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:29:20 -!- insomnia1alt is now known as insomniaSalt 23:29:49 -!- stepnem [~stepnem@176.119.broadband10.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:30:15 -!- Athas [~athas@130.225.165.40] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:33:36 -!- alvis [~alvis@tx-71-2-120-116.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:34:48 stepnem [~stepnem@176.119.broadband10.iol.cz] has joined #lisp 23:38:35 Farzad [~root@46.225.101.206] has joined #lisp 23:40:22 -!- juniorroy [~dima@212.36.228.103] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:41:26 hi, i was trying to load and start the clsql demo for the weblocks, and there seems a function is renamed from RELEASE-TO-CONN-POOL to database-release-to-conn-pool in the clsql package, is there a way to fix this or i have to find the exact version that weblocks expects? 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I can call it just fine, but I can't use (assoc 'foo somereturn) to get the single cons-cells 23:49:34 Upp3r [Upp3r@204.195.141.62] has joined #lisp 23:50:28 you have to export it's symbol in the defining package 23:50:58 you can use it fine is not a reliable thing..... 23:51:35 once you enter the name of your function, the symbol will be interned but the symbol's function slot will be empty 23:52:47 mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.142.117] has joined #lisp 23:53:01 phryk: I'm not sure if this is what beirc-user is saying but your problem is probably that when you call the function from code read in a different package the 'foo you are using in the call to ASSOC is different than the 'foo returned in the alist. 23:53:28 Yes, that I experienced.^^ 23:53:29 and that too, if there's a foo predefined there, yes 23:53:53 But since it's just a symbol without value, it seems I can't export it 23:54:39 So If I modify the function to use strings as keys, it should work, right? 23:55:10 phryk: *all* you can export are symbols. 23:55:16 Some of them just happen to be the names of functions. 23:55:30 -!- pnq [~nick@ACA27C7F.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:55:36 You could use strings as keys but then you'll need to pass a :test argument to assoc. 23:55:37 the slots maybe empty ....?! 23:55:59 Better, if you don't want to export the symbols is to use keywords, i.e. :foo rather than 'foo 23:56:41 gigamonkey: Can I do that 'just like that', without any other modifications necessary? 23:56:56 phryk: which, use keywords? yes. 23:57:05 -!- nonduality [~nondualit@chello084114039189.14.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 23:57:08 Good, then I'll try that := 23:57:09 :) 23:57:24 -!- ZabaQ [~johnfredc@135.114-84-212.staticip.namesco.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:01:00 -!- beirc-user is now known as wbooze 00:02:26 -!- stepnem [~stepnem@176.119.broadband10.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 00:06:18 stepnem [~stepnem@176.119.broadband10.iol.cz] has joined #lisp 00:06:35 stickycake [~stickycak@64.134.240.123] has joined #lisp 00:07:52 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@pool-68-161-131-102.ny325.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 00:07:52 Damn gigamonkey, that was exactly what I needed. 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01:16:28 xkzuzixxzjxzhxkhduYzsaqxmkj 01:16:36 -!- ChanServ has set mode +o Xach 01:16:37 -!- Xach has set mode +b *!*moI@*.chatmosphere.org 01:17:56 nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@122x221x184x68.ap122.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 01:18:01 -!- moI [~moI@app13.chatmosphere.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:18:04 Cryotank2011 [~Cryotank2@c-24-17-62-152.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:22:15 bwright [~bwright@c122-106-254-100.belrs3.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 01:22:46 dnolen [~davidnole@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 01:24:05 Shaftoe [~Moe111@modemcable037.54-22-96.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 01:24:09 hi all.. 01:24:16 hello Shaftoe 01:24:58 opinions on this: would it be poor form if I made a top-level macro that consumed an existing function, turned it into a closure, and re-compiled a new function containing a wrapper plus the closure and associated it with the initial function's symbol? 01:25:42 what do you want to do with it? 01:25:42 how does it cope wit re-evaluation/loading? 01:25:44 *with 01:26:15 lutok [~luckystok@ip98-169-240-101.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #lisp 01:26:58 *madnificent* could imagine a memoize system do something like that, if it'd need to be able to operate on functions you don't necessarily have control over... 01:27:38 Shaftoe: why not just write a deffoo macro for the original function definition? 01:27:52 -!- Xach has set mode -o Xach 01:30:50 I'm just trying to resolve a situation with top level macros I have. 01:31:08 I have a pair of form/post-action definitions that I give to hunchentoot. 01:31:35 there's a whole big awesome framework that does pretty decent parameter validation, and much more importantly, form "repopulation" on failed submit 01:31:47 and it also integrates with jquery.validate. 01:32:07 It's all nice, but the issue is that the submit half of the code is where I define my form parameters. 01:32:13 -!- bwright [~bwright@c122-106-254-100.belrs3.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:32:29 the actual form itself doesn't need to know them. And redefining them would be inelegant in that I'd have to rewrite definitions. 01:32:34 Shaftoe: are you talking about sykopomp's library, or something else (forms) 01:32:35 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-182-208-83.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:32:42 no, it's made inhouse 01:32:58 ah, sad 01:33:30 anyways, the issue I have is the following: I do have a top level macro that puts a whole bunch of validation scaffholding around a function via the &body param. 01:33:49 the form side is much simpler, and I just need to wrap it. nothing else is necessary 01:34:17 so I'm thinking that I could pass the name of the already existing function to this post definition and have "associate" it to the post by wrapping it. 01:34:27 it's all about code elegance, really 01:34:35 readability 01:35:09 pkhuong: you do have a point about re-evaluation. 01:35:38 alright, so maybe I'll just make a name that derives from the original name. 01:36:01 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.213.55] has quit [Quit: Offline] 01:37:11 kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.213.55] has joined #lisp 01:37:21 -!- Phoodus [~foo@ip72-223-116-248.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:37:40 man, I really do need to get in touch with the emacs counsler =) 01:37:44 counselor 01:38:16 It's the second day in a row that I'm coming here and just shooting blurting out stuff and then finding the answers with minimal help 01:38:49 sorry Shaftoe, it's complex without seeing the code. it all depends on what the cleanest, most maintainable way is going to be. 01:39:17 madnificient: ah, no, I didn't mean I felt unanswered. pkhuong's answer has made me realize what I need to do. 01:39:18 it's a rather odd request and it's virtually impossible to estimate the impact without knowing how the code is organized. i'm affraid you'll have to judge for yourself 01:40:17 just talking about my issue made me see what I need to do, and also pkhuong's point is valid. 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Not unless you serialize data that goes into an intermediary engine that holds state usable by something external. GL commands directly are rather unwieldly for that, being originated from a command stream of a GPU board 03:11:54 -!- pnq [~nick@AC8197BF.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:12:09 for scene graph, there was (is?) Open Inventor 03:12:14 Cryotank2011 [~Cryotank2@c-24-17-62-152.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:12:57 p_l: there would be an intermediary form regardless 03:13:48 -!- schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:14:06 dlowe: yeah, but then you have a graphics engine involved, right? Something that topo, at least according to previous inquiry on that topic, misses :| 03:14:22 excuse me for unwarranted snarkiness 03:15:03 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:15:22 topo: you need to start by making something to manage the actual stuff to be drawn. Then you can use that to implement reading and writing from various formats 03:15:47 OBJ and afaik DXF are rather simple (especially the former) and well documented on the web 03:15:55 md2 and md3 formats as well 03:16:56 ThePawnBreak [~quassel@94.177.108.25] has joined #lisp 03:25:54 ihyoyoung [raster@enlightenment2.osuosl.org] has joined #lisp 03:27:17 sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 03:28:05 waveman [~tim@203-214-39-56.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 03:33:19 leo2007 [~leo@114.247.10.71] has joined #lisp 03:33:24 Phoodus [~foo@68.107.217.139] has joined #lisp 03:36:43 -!- gko [~gko@211.21.137.140] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 03:37:00 gko [~gko@211.21.137.140] has joined #lisp 03:37:05 -!- qmake [~chatzilla@116.24.227.186] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:37:09 in other programing languajges there are libraries that allow to export a opengl scene into other formats 03:37:24 it seems theres nothing like that on common lisp 03:37:47 -!- lutok [~luckystok@ip98-169-240-101.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:38:08 -!- sty [~quassel@bas2-toronto61-2925399534.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:38:09 i found this library but only allows to use its own drawing commands 03:38:10 https://github.com/selead/sb-dxf 03:38:19 but what about if i have opengl stuff? 03:38:38 topo: they usually a) are part of a bigger graphics engine b) might not be used for dumping display state anyway 03:38:43 for example how can i export something like this? 03:38:47 (dotimes (i 5) 03:38:47 (gl:translate 33 8 0) 03:38:47 (glut:solid-cube 39.1d0)) 03:42:25 -!- mathslinux [~user@119.255.44.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:42:42 one thing i thought is using gemlist_matrix output and getting all the matrix and then translate this code into common lisp : https://pd-gem.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/pd-gem/trunk/Gem/src/Controls/gemlist_info.cpp 03:43:09 topo: opengl is not a scene description system. 03:43:15 it is fundementally incapable of doing what you want. 03:43:19 in that way i can get all the positions of my elements, but is there is no a better way of doing that? 03:43:49 topo: did you miss the part where the library you are translating is a full-fledged graphics engine that maintains the scene graph by itself? 03:43:50 what do you recommend me Ra? 03:43:54 Ralith: 03:43:57 you will need to install a layer of abstraction between your rendering and OpenGL so you can retarget to another format. 03:44:09 ummm 03:44:27 a layer of abstraction? 03:44:42 topo: basically, you are asking "has anybody written and open-sourced a high-level 3D graphics engine in Common Lisp" 03:44:45 the answer is no. 03:45:07 yes p_l i discovered that, thats why i dont know how to translate commands as (translate) or (rotate) into that way of displaying graphics 03:45:19 especially not with such an obscure and specific feature requirement. 03:45:34 So hard is saving a .obj file? 03:45:43 writing .obj is easy. 03:46:06 knowing what to write generally isn't. 03:46:07 whats the problem, converting the gl matrix into x/y cordinates? 03:46:24 topo: the fact that you are doing it ass-backwards is the hard part 03:47:22 attila_lendvai1 [~attila_le@87.247.52.86] has joined #lisp 03:47:22 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Disconnected by services] 03:47:22 ummm 03:47:23 -!- attila_lendvai1 is now known as attila_lendvai 03:47:23 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@87.247.52.86] has quit [Changing host] 03:47:23 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 03:47:27 what do you recommend me? 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What's wrong with the following code? (apply (lambda (s) (concatenate 'string "a " s " is a " s)) "blah") 05:41:01 siracusa: try funcall instead of apply 05:43:02 Same problem, "invalid function" (I'm trying that via a bot, so not sure if the error messages are helpful for you) 05:44:38 with funcall it works for me, and I don't see anything invalid about the function. what bot is this? 05:45:07 fsbot from #latex 05:45:46 Oh, is that emacs lisp? 05:46:20 Hhm, that bot is in #emacs too, so this could very well be 05:47:24 rvrebane [~rvrebane@valjapaas.vkhk.ee] has joined #lisp 05:47:28 -!- oconnore [~Eric@75-150-66-254-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:51:31 siracusa: if you want to use apply try '("blah") instead of "blah" (in CL) 05:53:08 -!- ehine1 [~ericyoda@rrcs-72-43-70-106.nys.biz.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:53:13 Yields the same error. In the documentations it is referred to as "elisp", so maybe there's a better place to asked about this? 05:53:49 yes, that would be emacs lisp. maybe #emacs? 05:54:21 chenbing [~user@60.186.105.206] has joined #lisp 05:54:42 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Disconnected by services] 05:54:42 attila_lendvai1 [~attila_le@87.247.52.86] has joined #lisp 05:54:42 -!- attila_lendvai1 is now known as attila_lendvai 05:54:43 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@87.247.52.86] has quit [Changing host] 05:54:43 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 05:54:52 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Client Quit] 05:55:20 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@87.247.52.86] has joined #lisp 05:55:20 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@87.247.52.86] has quit [Changing host] 05:55:20 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 05:55:22 Okay, trying there. 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for your help thus far... 09:57:33 eMBee: have you checked the documentation for SOME? 09:57:42 -!- _nix00 [~Adium@116.228.89.171] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:57:52 i am checking it now 09:58:08 it looks to me that some can't be used here, unless i am reading it wrong 09:58:40 peterhil [~peterhil@gw.maxisat.fi] has joined #lisp 09:58:42 eMBee: so try to read it right, then? 09:59:09 eMBee: first you define what you want, then you see which of the functions do what you want 10:00:19 i want to compare lists numerically.it was suggested here that i should use (some) for that 10:01:23 but i don't see how that could work 10:03:02 SOME can sure be used to compare lists 10:03:28 as can other functions; it just depends on what you need to accomplish 10:04:17 -!- SidH_ [~SidH@203.101.61.7] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:04:44 SidH_ [~SidH@203.101.61.10] has joined #lisp 10:04:54 sorry, wasn't clear: i want to order two lists by the numberical values inside 10:05:08 eMBee: read the descriptions for the other functions on the same page as SOME 10:05:36 -!- teggi [148b9232@gateway/web/freenode/ip.20.139.146.50] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:07:43 eMBee: and, btw, if '(2011 14 3) is supposed to represent date, then it's wrong (there should not be a month with number 14) 10:10:00 good morning everyone 10:10:10 -!- nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@122x221x184x68.ap122.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:11:24 heh, yeah 10:12:48 hakzsam [~hakzsam@aqu33-5-82-245-96-206.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 10:14:47 |3b| [foobar@cpe-72-179-19-4.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 10:14:59 daniel___ [~daniel@p5082B1CB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 10:15:51 tarmil [~user@business-178-48-18-229.business.broadband.hu] has joined #lisp 10:16:51 -!- daniel_ [~daniel@p5082BAC0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:17:24 xan_ [~xan@155.99.117.91.static.mundo-r.com] has joined #lisp 10:18:11 eMBee: you can't use some < to compare dates. 10:18:24 nha [~prefect@imamac13.epfl.ch] has joined #lisp 10:21:43 nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@EM1-115-57-135.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 10:24:36 -!- DrForr_ is now known as DrFor 10:24:40 -!- DrFor is now known as DrForr 10:25:30 yes, i already figured that out 10:28:21 but what can i use then? every doesn't work either 10:30:14 nikodemus: i get failure on compiler.pure.lisp / BUG-309448 for SBCL 1.0.53.100-7da051b (if you're interested) 10:31:22 eMBee: you'll need something that has states: first lower - stop with result T; both equal - check next number; first higher - stop with result NIL 10:32:02 -!- ahinki [~chatzilla@212.99.10.150] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:32:08 nikodemus: oh, it's a timing test again... probably not easy to reproduce 10:33:03 jdz: if it fails with some consistency, but didn't before, it would be really great if you could bisect to locate the source of the semi-regression 10:33:57 jdz: x86 or x86-64? 10:34:05 nikodemus: 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(position-if #'= ...)) or something like that would work, but is not readable either 10:35:34 nikodemus: is there a description of how to run tests properly somewhere? for me running sh compiler.test.sh exits with code 104, i'm not sure what to do with it 10:35:51 sh run-tests.sh compiler.pure.lisp 10:36:00 well, i'll just go back to the function that i had before 10:36:29 nikodemus: right, all test succeeded. just what i expected. 10:36:42 jdz: how many fail out of 10 runs? 10:37:38 aah. i think i know what might be the reason, actually 10:38:03 nikodemus: that's cool, because i cannot reproduce it. 10:38:20 what if you do "sh run-tests.sh *.pure.lisp" 10:39:13 my theory: pure.lisp files are all run in the same image, so it might be you're getting an unlucky GC in the middle of that test, screwing up the timings 10:39:14 the function that works is (compare-date) on http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Simple_database#Common_Lisp 10:39:45 eMBee: encode-universal-time 10:40:05 nikodemus: yeah, and maybe i've been switching to console, and there is the consolekit and stuff (for instance the music player stops) 10:40:16 could be 10:40:30 lanthan [~ze@dslb-088-075-238-231.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 10:40:57 nikodemus: hmm, nop, i got to reproduce it with the sh run-tests.sh *.pure.lisp 10:41:27 nikodemus: i'd have to do that for every comparison, because i store the date in readable form 10:41:36 -!- lanthan [~ze@dslb-088-075-238-231.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 10:43:19 lanthan [~ze@dslb-088-075-238-231.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 10:44:11 nikodemus: ok, it seems fairly reproducible 10:44:14 -!- xyxu [~xyxu@58.41.12.61] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:44:44 nikodemus: maybe you have some bisecting scrpit laying around somewhere? 10:46:18 -!- Kenjin [~josesanto@bl19-253-90.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:47:46 Kenjin [~josesanto@2.80.253.90] has joined #lisp 10:48:24 ignas [~ignas@85-206-22-190.static.zebra.lt] has joined #lisp 10:51:48 -!- gigamonk` [~user@cpe-76-167-161-98.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:52:22 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 10:53:59 stickycake [~stickycak@cpe-74-64-122-182.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 10:55:31 flip214: it won't work either. You need something like: (defun date< (a b) (cond ((null a) nil) ((< (car a) (car b))) ((= (car a) (car b)) (date< (cdr a) (cdr b))) (t nil))) 10:55:51 Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@242.Red-88-24-175.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 10:56:59 encode-universal-time only works for gregorian dates after 1900-01-01. 10:59:21 jdz: if you put (gc :full t) ; Let's not confuse the issue with GC 11:00:01 as the first line after (labels ((time-n (n) in there, does it make it go away? 11:00:17 juniorroy [~dima@212.36.228.103] has joined #lisp 11:00:39 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@host217-46-146-246.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 11:00:39 -!- H4ns [5ddb9dde@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.219.157.222] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:00:43 -!- juniorroy [~dima@212.36.228.103] has left #lisp 11:01:25 nikodemus: i think you're looking at the wrong test 11:01:56 oops, (flet ((time-it (lambda want) 11:02:02 but same principle :) 11:12:04 -!- Guest43999 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What's the best resource for a beginner? 12:59:46 mothers tits! 12:59:54 lol 13:00:14 ziyadb_: google for practical common lisp 13:00:25 ziyadb_: and then read the book online 13:00:30 ziyadb_: and then buy it :D 13:00:50 ziyadb_: what's your background knowledge? 13:01:29 madnificent: Python & some Ruby. 13:01:48 never had to use C or Java, but I'm familiar with the syntax. 13:03:11 -!- akovalenko [~akovalenk@95.73.50.234] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:03:27 *Neronus* tried learning lisp with On Lisp first. Catastrophic failure. Practical Common Lisp worked a lot better. Then On Lisp was a nice read. Also: Let over lambda. Finally I 13:03:40 'll read Lisp in Small Pieces (christmas project) 13:03:47 ziyadb_: and what have you done in them? you know about lambda functions (or blocks in ruby, iirc), you know about classes, types, errors ? 13:04:58 madnificent: familiar with the notion of OO programming, including classes, instances, etc. I know about types and errors as well. 13:05:00 lambda functions, no. 13:05:55 you haven't used blocks in ruby either, perhaps? 10.times do print "shabang"; end << that stuff 13:06:24 oh, yeah. 13:06:27 regardless, if you know those concepts, i'm fairly confident that you'll be happy with practical common lisp (the PCL, that is), by gigamonkey 13:07:05 akovalenko [~akovalenk@95.72.42.3] has joined #lisp 13:07:56 don't be mistaken by the fluency in which it's written though. some chapters may introduce vastly new concepts, so it may sometimes take a while for them to become part of your coding habbits. 13:08:29 madnificent: understood. Thanks for the recommendation. 13:09:08 -!- nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@EM114-51-90-251.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:10:21 Primpod [~Andrew.St@host81-137-183-81.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #lisp 13:10:32 enjoy the trip! 13:11:39 I will! 13:12:31 -!- gensym [~user@dslc-082-082-099-088.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:14:24 -!- xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.164.188] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:14:40 -!- sanjoyd [~sanjoyd@unaffiliated/sanjoyd] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:15:04 sanjoyd [~sanjoyd@unaffiliated/sanjoyd] has joined #lisp 13:17:45 Neronus: surely you didn:t skip PAIP 13:18:32 ahinki [~chatzilla@212.99.10.150] has joined #lisp 13:18:48 bobbysmith007 [~russ@216.155.103.30] has joined #lisp 13:22:46 yeah, On Lisp is a terrible book to learn from 13:23:11 -!- killerboy [~mateusz@wifi-out.sdu.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:25:04 -!- ziyadb_ [~ziyadb@188.50.70.79] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:26:29 teggi [~teggi@123.20.58.106] has joined #lisp 13:26:39 -!- juniorroy [~dima@212.36.228.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:27:09 ziyadb [~ziyadb@90.148.61.76] has joined #lisp 13:28:14 tsuru`: Sorry, I actually did 13:29:06 PAIP is a good CL book. 13:29:46 *madnificent* hasn't read it 13:29:50 -!- xan_ [~xan@155.99.117.91.static.mundo-r.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:30:23 xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.156.96] has joined #lisp 13:31:32 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-188-125.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 13:34:09 Kenjin [~josesanto@193.136.207.87] has joined #lisp 13:38:46 urandom__ [~user@ip-88-152-212-70.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #lisp 13:39:35 nyef [~nyef@c-174-63-105-188.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:40:16 Kron_ [~Kron@129-97-120-193.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #lisp 13:41:12 -!- akovalenko [~akovalenk@95.72.42.3] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:41:35 G'morning all. 13:42:07 howdy nyef 13:42:40 I found PAIP fascinating, but it didn't really affect my CL that much 13:43:12 Did you read it after you knew CL already? 13:43:19 Xach: I did 13:43:41 I read it earlier. I think it was my second book after ANSI Common Lisp. 13:43:44 Difference is night & day. 13:44:54 I wish I read it first. 13:44:56 ANSI Common Lisp has a distaste for Common Lisp and talks abstractly about Lisp-the-concept, and PAIP is about the pragmatic details of CL. 13:45:16 gko [~gko@220-135-201-90.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 13:47:09 I haven't read ANSI Common Lisp, but I liked PAIP. I, too, read it fairly late in my development as a lisp programmer, but the way it presents the evolution of each programming was amazing. 13:47:44 -!- waveman [~tim@203-214-39-56.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:47:46 ... Actually, PAIP is probably one of the influences that lead me to one-package-per-file. 13:49:23 ... led? 13:49:27 Whichever. 13:51:18 -!- _nix00 [~Adium@116.228.89.171] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:52:13 And I can probably tie one-package-per-file to the unixoid "small, sharp tools" idea, as well as some of the basic stuff from the classical OOP camp... 13:52:59 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:53:27 nyef: and C programming style, using files as language modules 13:54:41 Yes, that too. 13:57:57 drake01 [~drake01@unaffiliated/drake01] has joined #lisp 13:59:49 LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #lisp 14:04:39 iwillig [~ivan@dyn-128-59-151-161.dyn.columbia.edu] has joined #lisp 14:04:51 -!- Kenjin [~josesanto@193.136.207.87] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 14:04:59 "don't use change-class with keys, for the sake of genera" is not something i really enjoy seeing in asdf commit messages 14:05:38 aaaaaagh 14:06:37 Kenjin [~josesanto@193.136.207.87] has joined #lisp 14:07:02 nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@EM114-50-1-146.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 14:07:23 did someone drop a lisp machine on your toe? 14:07:26 -!- schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:08:27 nikodemus: ok, with the full GC it seems the test does not fail. (but i somehow managed to get the tests hang on :SEMAPHORE-NOTIFICATION) 14:09:57 nikodemus: hung as in sb-thread::%%wait-for-mutex in join-thread 14:10:27 interesting 14:10:47 well, i pressed C-c, so i have the backtrace here 14:10:50 can you send me the backtrace? 14:11:28 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@201.87.5.92.user.ajato.com.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:11:28 i'm not sure if there's anything useful there, but at least it will work as a reminder -- i kind of have many things in the air right now 14:11:39 Is this with or without futexes? 14:11:42 nikodemus: sure, where do i send it? 14:11:46 fmeyer [~fmeyer@201.87.5.92.user.ajato.com.br] has joined #lisp 14:12:13 nikodemus@random-state.net will do, or any of the sbcl-lists 14:13:55 -!- hakzsam [~hakzsam@aqu33-5-82-245-96-206.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:15:21 nefo [~nefo@unaffiliated/nefo] has joined #lisp 14:16:07 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@201.87.5.92.user.ajato.com.br] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:16:48 fmeyer [~fmeyer@189.102.74.140] has joined #lisp 14:17:21 ramusara [~ramusara@220.156.210.236.user.e-catv.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 14:17:29 Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@242.Red-88-24-175.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 14:19:11 akovalenko [~akovalenk@95.73.218.80] has joined #lisp 14:20:04 CaZe_ [~CaZe@unaffiliated/y354c] has joined #lisp 14:20:43 -!- Kryztof [~user@81.174.155.115] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 14:21:10 -!- CaZe [~CaZe@unaffiliated/y354c] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:23:12 bombshelter13b [~bombshelt@76-10-149-209.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 14:23:17 entrix [~entrix@95-28-232-234.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 14:24:04 -!- bombshelter13b [~bombshelt@76-10-149-209.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Client Quit] 14:24:36 -!- CaZe_ [~CaZe@unaffiliated/y354c] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:24:57 -!- pferor [~user@unaffiliated/pferor] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:25:03 CaZe [~CaZe@unaffiliated/y354c] has joined #lisp 14:28:31 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:30:17 -!- Kron_ [~Kron@129-97-120-193.uwaterloo.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:30:55 -!- marsell [~marsell@101.116.48.193] has quit [Quit: marsell] 14:32:28 dnolen [~davidnole@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 14:34:24 -!- ziyadb [~ziyadb@90.148.61.76] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:34:37 -!- saschakb_ [~saschakb@p4FEA08A8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:35:08 saschakb_ [~saschakb@p4FEA08A8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 14:37:16 -!- iwillig [~ivan@dyn-128-59-151-161.dyn.columbia.edu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:39:36 -!- H4ns [5b3d4196@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.61.65.150] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:40:43 -!- mcsontos [mcsontos@nat/redhat/x-soodzwbvibdmiwvd] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:40:48 -!- superflit [~superflit@71-33-155-94.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:41:34 ThomasH [4b1349ad@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/tmh] has joined #lisp 14:41:49 Greetings lispers. 14:42:43 hello 14:43:33 should I use #' before passing `lambda`s? 14:43:57 tritchey_ [~tritchey@c-68-51-88-12.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:44:04 -!- tritchey_ [~tritchey@c-68-51-88-12.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 14:44:15 osa1: it is your choice. i prefer not to. 14:45:05 I also prefer not to 14:45:29 iwillig [~ivan@dyn-128-59-151-161.dyn.columbia.edu] has joined #lisp 14:45:30 Matter of style, I don't do it either. 14:45:37 there's no real reason to do so 14:45:48 I believe that I usually don't, but am not entirely certain. 14:46:01 I do it, but I seem to be outnumbered. 14:46:06 burn the heretic! 14:46:07 rvrebane [~rvrebane@valjapaas.vkhk.ee] has joined #lisp 14:46:21 rme: do you have a reason? 14:46:35 or rather, what's your rationale for it? 14:47:04 Hrm. My current (work) project has six uses of LAMBDA, none of which is in conjunction with #'. 14:47:12 -!- tritchey [~tritchey@c-68-51-88-12.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:47:37 I think it's just an "accent" that I have from working on ccl, whose implementation predates ANSI CL. 14:48:08 osa1: When I'm passing a function as an argument, I quote the symbol 'foo if the function could feasibly change, I use #' when it is a function that will not change, for example something in CL-USER. 14:48:22 -!- saschakb_ [~saschakb@p4FEA08A8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:48:36 ThomasH: CL-USER? 14:48:56 jdz: Sorry, CL, I know what I meant. ;-) 14:49:55 nikodemus: hah, while banging on threads.pure.lisp, i managed to trigger failure on DEADLOCK-DETECTION.1 14:50:14 -!- drake01 [~drake01@unaffiliated/drake01] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 14:51:08 nikodemus: this time i was not doing any suspicious activities like switching to the console 14:51:22 oudeis [~oudeis@92.40.253.70.threembb.co.uk] has joined #lisp 14:51:23 -!- sylecn [~sylecn@180.120.24.72] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:51:59 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.213.55] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 14:53:22 -!- Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@242.Red-88-24-175.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:56:13 -!- theBlackDragon [~dragon@77.109.98.120] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:56:38 -!- nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@EM114-50-1-146.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:57:14 ThomasH: I have an SBCL-specific trick related to that, actually. If you're willing to abuse SBCL internals, you can look up a function name to get an "fdefinition" object, which is basically a box around the function associated with the name. If you close over the fdefinition instead of the function name, you can save a hash lookup at funcall time. 15:00:07 saschakb_ [~saschakb@p4FEA0348.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 15:01:40 theBlackDragon [~dragon@77.109.98.120] has joined #lisp 15:01:58 nyef: I need to remember that, there is a function in my neglected linear algebra library that would probably benefit from that optimization. 15:03:54 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 15:04:19 ThomasH: You could also just use SYMBOL-FUNCTION or whatever, but that doesn't catch subsequent redefinition. 15:04:24 nyef: if I were to do (let ((f #'1+)) (mapcar f (mapcar f list))), wouldn't it only hash once? 15:04:36 ah, never mind. 15:05:04 so the fdefinition object is updated when the function is redefined? 15:05:36 Yeah. 15:05:36 H4ns [55b34a88@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.179.74.136] has joined #lisp 15:05:38 ThomasH: I'm new at common lisp, what's the difference between #'func and 'func? what if I have a var named func and function named func and pass 'func ? 15:05:52 osa1: you're just passing the symbol FUNC 15:05:54 nyef: Yeah, the redefinition is what often bites me. That's why I resorted to use 'foo unless I very confident that the function is complete. I'm usually only confident that functions in libraries I'm not coding are complete. 15:06:03 -!- nefo [~nefo@unaffiliated/nefo] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:06:04 osa1: neither the var nor the function 15:06:04 osa1: a symbol (like 'func evaluates to) can designate a function named by that symbol in the global environment 15:06:39 antgreen [~user@bas3-toronto06-1177890745.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 15:07:02 osa1: #'func evaluates to a function object, which might be named locally via flet or labels or globally via defun. 15:07:08 or defgeneric 15:07:17 gigamonkey [~user@cpe-76-167-161-98.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 15:07:35 That's actually the whole point of the fdefinition object. It's what's used internally when you just make a call to a function directly. 15:07:48 great, thanks 15:07:54 nikodemus_: you here? 15:08:06 gigamonkey: yes 15:09:02 pnathan [~Adium@98.145.116.190] has joined #lisp 15:09:19 So I can't find the define-condition of package-variance-error 15:09:35 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@189.102.74.140] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:09:55 ikki [~ikki@201.155.92.12] has joined #lisp 15:10:32 -!- xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.156.96] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:11:16 I see update-package-with-variance but maybe I don't actually have the right branch checked out. 15:11:35 I cloned your repo and then did git co wip-defpackage-variance 15:11:41 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:12:58 benkard [~benkard@141.84.69.67] has joined #lisp 15:13:18 fmeyer [~fmeyer@201.87.5.92.user.ajato.com.br] has joined #lisp 15:13:24 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 15:13:38 Zhivago [~zhivago@li49-59.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 15:13:39 *eMBee* converted from using alists to structs, and the code got shorter. and does more. hah 15:14:05 With suitable abstrction there should have been no difference. :) 15:14:27 well, i improved the abstraction along the way i suppose 15:14:39 eMBee: I generally consider reduced lines of code a sign of progress. 15:14:53 -!- saschakb_ is now known as saschakb 15:14:58 like using a print-function for output 15:15:06 ThomasH: same here 15:15:38 *ThomasH* just caught himself trying to use tab-complete to finish a word in the IRC window. 15:15:57 Yes; changing representations can help with abstraction. :) 15:16:29 I've gotten to the point where I try to tab-complete all the time and get frustrated/confused when it doesn't work, like in a word processor. 15:16:41 ThomasH: so use emacs for everything :) 15:16:46 ThomasH: use emacs for word-processing! 15:17:05 and use dabbrev-mode with a preloaded dictionary 15:17:14 I would gladly, but I work with others and they expect something else. 15:17:24 I bet it would be trivial to hook up slime tab completion with erc 15:17:36 ThomasH: M-x save-as-something-else 15:18:02 ThomasH: in this case it's not really less lines though, but shorter lines aparently: http://rosettacode.org/mw/index.php?title=Simple_database&curid=10750&diff=126911&oldid=126887 15:21:55 gigamonkey: just a sec 15:21:56 juniorroy [~dima@212.36.228.103] has joined #lisp 15:24:39 gigamonkey: git checkout -b defpackage-stuff origin/wip-defpackage-variance 15:25:19 BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has joined #lisp 15:27:31 only trouble is, using :print-function causes some warnings: http://paste.lisp.org/display/126134 15:29:00 If you aren't going to use the level argument, ignore it. 15:30:02 (yes, the level arg is a minor thing) i kinda understand that defstruct would cause a warning for referencing an undefined function it's kind of a circular issue) but why does it print function afterwards? 15:30:04 That's not the main problem, I skipped over the top, sorry. 15:30:35 killerboy [~mateusz@users69.kollegienet.dk] has joined #lisp 15:30:43 i alsodon't understandthat last type warning 15:31:42 eMBee: looks like unintended behavior to me. 15:32:39 you mean unintended behaviour by sbcl? or something in my code? 15:33:02 In SBCL. 15:33:53 anything i should worry about? or should i just try to muffle that warning? (can warnings be selectively muffled?) 15:34:17 eMBee: It's good practice to address all warnings. 15:34:38 eMBee: If I were you, I'd look into filing a bug on launchpad. 15:34:45 X-Scale [email@2001:5c0:1400:b::b793] has joined #lisp 15:34:53 xan_ [~xan@155.99.117.91.static.mundo-r.com] has joined #lisp 15:35:18 ThomasH: yes, i agree 15:35:32 kami` [~user@p57A2ECA6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 15:35:35 -!- kami` [~user@p57A2ECA6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Changing host] 15:35:35 kami` [~user@unaffiliated/kami-] has joined #lisp 15:35:42 eMBee: One thing you have to be careful about when working with structures is updating your code when the structure is modified. 15:36:34 xach, ok, hmm, shall i just pose the warnings and the code that produces it? 15:36:37 "Updating your code" is bad verbage. I mean updating all of the references to the structure in your lisp image. 15:37:05 ThomasH: yes, igot what you mean 15:37:43 i already had to write a conversion script to translate the existing data from acons to struct, so i am aware of that issue 15:37:58 eMBee: Good deal. 15:40:29 eMBee: the bug report form has information about what to include to make the report useful. 15:40:45 it is a good basis 15:43:17 ok, i'll see about adding that to my todo list 15:44:45 superflit [~superflit@71-33-155-94.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 15:45:31 -!- lanthan [~ze@dslb-088-075-238-231.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 15:46:42 gigamonkey: just verified, i did push the right branch :) the incantation above gets it checked out for you locally 15:46:56 realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-103-172.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 15:48:52 -!- pnathan [~Adium@98.145.116.190] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:48:52 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@92.40.253.70.threembb.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:50:48 pnathan [~Adium@98.145.116.190] has joined #lisp 15:53:20 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-103-172.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:55:49 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@85-18-55-37.ip.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving]