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It works very nicely for me. 03:32:34 oconnore: Maybe because no one knew about it? 03:33:35 simplechat [~simplecha@unaffiliated/simplechat] has joined #lisp 03:33:59 rtoym: well module-manager is an example of a sane design, but really you get to module-manager by stripping all the insane parts out of asdf, so it's not exactly revolutionary 03:34:45 Jubb [~ghost@129.21.84.61] has joined #lisp 03:35:39 hugod_ [~hugod@bas1-montreal50-1279633438.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 03:36:03 it's a simple list of files/module dependencies, that gets loaded in order of declaration, so you can statically know how the system is built. 03:36:22 that's an oxymoron, module managers can't be nice 03:36:36 stassats: explain? 03:37:01 -!- The_Jon_Smith [~The_Jon_S@ip24-250-13-137.ri.ri.cox.net] has left #lisp 03:37:48 they're either too stupid to be useful beyond simple things, or too complex 03:38:36 stassats: why do you need more complexity? 03:38:51 -!- zc00gii [~zc00gii@thefacepalm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:38:53 because managing files isn't a simple task 03:39:44 zc00gii [~zc00gii@thefacepalm.net] has joined #lisp 03:39:50 well, you say that... i provided a system that i believe to be sufficient. please provide a counter example. 03:39:58 well, i didn't provide it 03:39:59 sure, it may be easy if all you have is a bunch of .lisp files 03:40:01 but it's my example 03:40:42 and if you don't? 03:40:49 oconnore: can your system be extended to do things like cffi-grovel? 03:41:04 Say, doesn't nikodemus maintain a version of screamer? clocc has a version of screamer in it. 03:42:00 pinkwerks [~pinkwerks@cpe-74-68-129-122.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 03:43:15 rtoym: https://github.com/nikodemus/screamer 03:44:13 Can I tell asdf to use some other function besides compile-file to compile the files? If so, can I tell asdf to use the for the system, but for one particular file use the same function, but with different compiler flags? 03:44:28 -!- theBlackDragon [~dragon@83.101.80.71] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:45:13 yes, you can 03:45:51 stassats: sure, you can do arbitrary calculations during a build. you just include a .lisp file that makes the necessary calls with (eval-when ...). from the cffi-grovel example, i would compile ("package" "groveler-file" "example"), where "groveler-file" calls out to the c compiler, and loads the necessary symbols. 03:46:17 theBlackDragon [~dragon@83.101.84.139] has joined #lisp 03:46:22 that is much simpler to me than attempting to integrate with an all knowing build engine. 03:46:31 anyways, it's too late now. asdf is entrenched. 03:46:40 oconnore: so, what's the difference between a file which loads files? 03:46:47 asdf isn't all-knowing, it's extensible 03:47:35 and it's actually pretty simple, once you get the gist 03:47:40 -!- zomgbie [~jesus@85-127-213-226.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:47:50 my way is just extensible through common lisp instead of being extensible through asdf. 03:48:04 and i like common lisp better than asdf. 03:48:40 you still can't do arbitrary introspection of the entire build, but at least you can introspect about lisp files. 03:50:05 -!- _3b [foobar@cpe-72-179-19-4.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:50:19 so, you're saying, no build system, that's exactly what i said in the beginning 03:50:22 Salamander__ [~Salamande@ppp121-45-69-22.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 03:50:51 it is a build system, for lisp files and modules 03:51:06 and instead of whining about ASDF, you could, you know, go help to make it better 03:52:10 -!- clog [nef@bespin.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:52:14 clog [nef@bespin.org] has joined #lisp 03:52:21 well i'm not whining. i just made an initial claim that module-manager allows introspection of lisp files, and since then i have been explaining myself. 03:52:27 -!- drdo [~user@91.205.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 03:52:30 -!- Salamander_ [~Salamande@ppp118-210-112-204.lns20.adl2.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:52:38 asdf allows for introspection of lisp files as well 03:54:32 not statically. you have to evaluate the full .asd file to calculate anything at all. 03:56:19 rtoym: do you just want to pass different flags to compile-file? 03:57:33 enthymeme [~kraken@76.245.60.219] has joined #lisp 03:57:55 stassats: Both, actually. It's for f2cl. To convert from Fortran to Lisp, I want to use f2cl-compile, with a certain set of options. But for certain files, I want to use a different set of options. 03:58:13 (Options being keyword arguments to f2cl-compile.) 03:58:32 Deesl [~bsdboy@unaffiliated/deesl] has joined #lisp 03:59:44 if you define your class for fortran files, you can then define a method (defmethod perform ((op compile-op) (file fortran-source-file)) ...) 04:01:26 Salamander_ [~Salamande@ppp118-210-243-235.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 04:03:28 Thanks. This is probably documented, so I'll look there. 04:03:34 -!- Salamander__ [~Salamande@ppp121-45-69-22.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:04:25 -!- lemoinem [~swoog@216.252.80.153] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:05:15 lemoinem [~swoog@216.252.93.191] has joined #lisp 04:12:36 -!- udzinari [~user@209.158.broadband13.iol.cz] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:13:18 nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181199216.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 04:14:44 -!- Guest13393 is now known as cheez 04:15:51 -!- theBlackDragon [~dragon@83.101.84.139] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:17:51 theBlackDragon [~dragon@83.101.63.145] has joined #lisp 04:18:30 -!- dkasak [~dkasak@93-138-15-82.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:19:45 -!- sbahra [~sbahra@pool-74-106-252-24.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: sbahra] 04:22:50 *p_l|backup* finds it interesting how much public perception changed on Let over Lambda 04:25:23 sellouts! my perception didn't change 04:25:42 haha 04:28:02 Vicfred [~Vicfred@189.228.4.32] has joined #lisp 04:31:22 yay! just finished my tour through the land of lisp. 04:31:42 kanru: was it your first taste of Lisp? :) 04:34:34 -!- askatasuna [~askatasun@190.97.34.146] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:34:45 my first common lisp; I have some experiences in elisp already :) 04:35:07 kanru: now, onto writing a killer-app in Lisp! 04:35:50 stassats: right! 04:35:51 askatasuna [~askatasun@190.97.34.146] has joined #lisp 04:36:02 to make it rich and retire 04:36:07 kanru: you might enjoy PCL as well, though you woulnd't need to read it as thoroughly:) 04:38:49 -!- billitch [~billitch@men75-12-88-183-197-206.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:40:57 kanru: I found PCL and LOL to be complentary. After the basic stuff I've found they fill in different gaps. 04:42:24 p_l|backup: it changed? 04:43:21 let me check.. I also have OnLisp on my list 04:43:24 kanru: reading doesn't make up for the writing part though. ;) 04:44:10 kanru: Still moving through that too... I find the printed copies easier to digest. 04:47:39 two-na [~noname@c-67-171-131-23.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 04:49:59 -!- two-na is now known as two- 04:50:05 spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-jxsgsohozvckjpdd] has joined #lisp 04:51:40 -!- Deesl [~bsdboy@unaffiliated/deesl] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 04:55:55 -!- Jubb [~ghost@129.21.84.61] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:59:19 -!- askatasuna [~askatasun@190.97.34.146] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.4] 05:00:48 vsync [~vsync@24.173.173.82] has joined #lisp 05:03:20 -!- enthymeme [~kraken@76.245.60.219] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.1.1] 05:03:41 Jubb [~ghost@129.21.84.61] has joined #lisp 05:06:18 hmm... "Unhandled memory fault at #x0." 05:06:55 are you playing with FFI? 05:07:05 (print (sb-ext:posix-getenv nil)) 05:07:37 not directly 05:08:31 pattern: sbcl version? 05:08:46 doesn't segfault here 05:09:10 1.0.45 05:09:17 i reproduce, 1.0.45.35 linux-x86 05:09:38 ok, i'm on darwin/x86-64 right now 05:09:47 i'm on gentoo, amd64 here 05:10:12 -!- rasterbar [~rasterbar@unaffiliated/rasterbar] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:10:59 should i put it on launchpad, or is either one of you already on it? 05:11:41 i've never filed a bug report against sbcl, and don't know where to do it 05:12:04 i guess this is the place.. https://bugs.launchpad.net/sbcl 05:12:37 yep 05:13:35 doesn't look like it's been reported yet 05:13:50 i'll do it 05:14:02 -!- ikki [~ikki@201.122.132.181] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:16:15 Deesl [~bsdboy@unaffiliated/deesl] has joined #lisp 05:16:37 -!- Deesl [~bsdboy@unaffiliated/deesl] has quit [Client Quit] 05:16:55 nikodemus: do you get a type error? 05:16:59 -!- Mococa [~Mococa@187.59.205.54] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:17:29 -!- pnq [~nick@172.164.201.153] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:19:24 stassats: just NIL 05:20:24 but filed at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/sbcl/+bug/721087 05:21:01 Spion__ [~spion@77.29.250.12] has joined #lisp 05:21:23 nikodemus: so, is NIL a valid c-string? 05:22:03 billitch [~billitch@men75-12-88-183-197-206.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 05:24:19 -!- Spion_ [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:25:26 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 05:33:02 stassats: ah, i was thinking it took string-designators, actually. obviously it doesn't 05:35:29 pattern: thanks for filing it 05:36:05 no problem 05:36:11 hope i gave enough info 05:37:24 -!- vsync [~vsync@24.173.173.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:38:30 removing NULL from (define-alien-type-method (c-string :lisp-rep) ...) in host-c-call.lisp solves the problem, if NIL is really unwanted 05:40:39 stassats: i *think* it's wanted there 05:41:10 the reason i put in nil was because i wanted to see all the environment variables 05:41:10 vsync [~vsync@24.173.173.82] has joined #lisp 05:41:17 -!- leers [~leers@c-68-40-9-146.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:41:24 leers [~leers@c-68-40-9-146.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 05:41:24 does the same thing happen if you do (posix-getenv "")? 05:41:41 no 05:41:43 pattern: (posix-environ) gives you that 05:41:50 _3b [foobar@cpe-72-179-19-4.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 05:42:06 but both should end up as (int-sap 0), no? 05:43:09 i guess c-string of "" should be a reference to (int-sap 0) 05:43:31 and so should nil as c-string, iirc 05:44:11 but what's the reason for NIL to be treated as such? 05:45:08 HG` [~HG@xdsl-92-252-101-206.dip.osnanet.de] has joined #lisp 05:45:37 slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-99-39-233-50.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 05:46:19 not 100% sure offhand, but i think because false == "" == NULL in C 05:46:56 so we do NIL -> "" on the way in, and sometimes "" -> NIL on the way out, depending on the context 05:46:57 i'd think that "" is {NULL} in C, but i'm no C expert 05:47:42 evening 05:47:47 hello slyrus 05:47:57 I don't think "" should be the same as NULL (int-sap 0). 05:47:58 nikodemus: "" is definitely not NULL in C. 05:48:23 hey beach, did I mention that I tried to read the clim3 spec the other day, switched over to "Preview" where I had the PDF open, and OSX kernel paniced? :) 05:48:46 slyrus: Wow! A sign that I should consider re-writing it? :) 05:49:06 beach: OSX kernel? 05:49:11 or that Apple should rewrite there SMB device drivers 05:49:13 their 05:49:14 in lisp? 05:49:17 stassats: Heh! 05:49:18 you're right. "" is a pointer to (char)NULL, not NULL. i want my brain back 05:49:50 "" could be NUL in C 05:49:52 that is, the ascii NUL character: 0 05:49:59 which is not the same as NULL 05:50:24 NULL isn't necessary 0 either. (I don't know of any machine anymore where that isn't true, though.) 05:50:38 pattern: "" could not be a character. 05:50:40 Er, necessarily. 05:50:51 https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Null_character 05:51:06 "The null character (also null terminator), abbreviated NUL, is a control character with the value zero." 05:51:17 pattern: But "" is not a character. 05:51:27 it's a zero-terminated string, no? 05:51:36 pattern: That's different. 05:51:57 in C, strings are made up of characters 05:52:02 and terminated by zeros 05:52:10 anyway, maybe this should be discussed on #c 05:52:11 pattern: They are, but strings aren't characters. 05:52:15 i'm not a C expert myself 05:52:33 you mean ##c? 05:52:41 -!- kanru [~kanru@kanru-1-pt.tunnel.tserv15.lax1.ipv6.he.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 05:52:46 Gasp! An update to mk:defsystem! 05:53:52 kanru [~kanru@kanru-1-pt.tunnel.tserv15.lax1.ipv6.he.net] has joined #lisp 05:54:05 rtoym: As I recall, there was a case that pretty much forced NULL to be 0. It has to do with global, uninitialized variables. 05:54:52 rtoym: Unless NULL is 0, some such variables must be in the data segment and cannot be initilized by zero-ing out the page. 05:55:06 Really? I vaguely remember some machine I used long ago where NULL was not 0. 05:56:27 Deesl [~bsdboy@unaffiliated/deesl] has joined #lisp 05:56:28 I don't follow what uninitialized variables have to do with zeroing out the page. 05:57:15 rtoym: Tradition says that unitialized globals are not allocated in the executable, but by the loader zero-ing out the page. 05:57:46 rtoym: Used to be the .bss segment, but that was before ELF I guess. 05:57:47 05:58:12 I"ve been bitten by unitialized globals that weren't zero. 05:58:31 rtoym: They should be according to the standard. 05:58:58 Maybe now, but this was decades ago. 05:59:10 [though I agree, this is a discussion for ##c] 06:01:47 Agreed. Plus, it's sleepy time for me. 06:01:52 sbcl inherited (sap-int 0) for NIL from CMUCL 06:02:14 (alien:alien-funcall (alien:extern-alien "getenv" (function (* char) (* char))) nil) => Error in function UNIX::SIGSEGV-HANDLER: Segmentation Violation at #xB7EAD133. 06:02:28 and it's still there, looks like 06:02:31 -!- Vicfred [~Vicfred@189.228.4.32] has quit [Quit: ] 06:03:04 though, that's a strange address 06:03:05 -!- neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:03:14 neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.226] has joined #lisp 06:04:27 rtoym: (that was for you) 06:04:54 Which? The inheritance? The getenv call? 06:05:17 (alien:alien-funcall ...) bit 06:05:39 That's on cmucl? 06:05:42 yep 06:06:15 What platform? That returns # for me on OSX. 06:06:19 M-sprite [~M-sprite@122.237.18.223] has joined #lisp 06:06:34 well, it's Linux too 06:07:08 i understand (intern ..) can intern a symbol by a string into a package, but can it intern function names? 06:07:16 Ah, I see that on Linux, with some weird address. 06:07:58 yan_: function names are symbols 06:08:18 rtoym: sbcl doesn't fault on OSX as well 06:08:56 stassats: so i can do something similar to: (funcall (function (intern "princ")) "foo") ? 06:09:05 i know that won't work but that's in essence what i'm wondering 06:09:21 FUNCTION isn't a function 06:09:47 but yes, you can, it would look (funcall (find-symbol "PRINC" :cl) "foo") 06:10:04 hm i thought i tried find-symbol but it wasn't working 06:10:07 fair enough, thanks 06:10:23 yan_: INTERN should work as well. 06:10:44 ah it worked! i was using lowercase names 06:10:46 and it wasn't working 06:11:08 it should, but you really should use it for existing symbols, especially in system packages 06:11:17 shouldn't 06:12:06 yan_: What stassats suggests works because funcall takes a function designator, and symbols are function designators. 06:13:12 and "PRINC" wouldn't work for modern mode or on setups of non-conformists 06:13:22 if i have "a" and (list 1 2 3), how do i make ("a" . (list 1 2 3)) out of it? (acons "a" (list (list 1 2 3)) nil) gives me (("a" (1 2 3))) 06:14:05 ("a" . (list 1 2 3)) is ("a" list 1 2 3) 06:14:50 and acons is for associated lists 06:15:03 are you trying to things at random? 06:15:08 s/to// 06:15:15 stassats: basically i need to pass ("a" . (list 1 2 3)) through json:encode-json to get {"a": [1, 2, 3]}. currently, i'm getting [["a", 1, 2, 3]] 06:16:06 beach: did you see that I got nearest-neighbor and bilinear interpolation working for the affine xfrm stuff? 06:16:26 I haven't been motivated to go back to try and figure out what's wrong with the quadratic interpolation 06:16:29 slyrus: I did not. Congratulations! 06:16:41 spradnyesh: have you tried passing ("a" (1 2 3))? 06:16:54 -!- pabst_ [~anonymous@70-36-197-236.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 06:17:11 sprayd: That's not an association list. 06:17:29 An alist would be (("a" 1 2 3)) 06:17:42 or (("a" . '(1 2 3))) 06:18:00 stassats: i get an 'illegal function call' if i do what you suggested 06:18:30 i didn't suggest such a thing! 06:18:33 -!- ltriant [~ltriant@lithium.mailguard.com.au] has quit [Quit: Get MacIrssi - http://www.sysctl.co.uk/projects/macirssi/] 06:18:56 stassats: k, i meant what you asked me if i had tried 06:19:08 sprad: It sounds like you are in need of a CL book. 06:19:49 and json doesn't really map to lisp lists well 06:20:10 hmmm 06:20:12 (json:encode-json '(("a" . #(1 2 3)))) => {"a":[1,2,3]} 06:20:14 This problem is simply because he didn't provide an a-list. 06:20:23 beach: I guess the question is: "now what?" 06:20:32 Zhivago: but you can't tell if list is an alist 06:20:42 Well, sometimes you can. :) 06:21:10 in this case (json:encode-json '(("a" . (1 2 3)))) => [["a",1,2,3]] you can't 06:22:15 beach: I guess the composition stuff and seeing what can be taken/applied from vecto, cl-vectors, zpb-ttf, etc. would be logical next steps 06:24:37 -!- ch077179 [~urs@adsl-89-217-213-36.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 06:25:48 slyrus: That sounds reasonable. 06:29:19 -!- s0ber [~s0ber@111-240-164-148.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:30:24 ZabaQ [~Zaba@135.114-84-212.staticip.namesco.net] has joined #lisp 06:30:56 s0ber [~s0ber@111-240-164-148.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 06:32:20 -!- cheez [~Adium@206-248-177-146.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:33:38 -!- spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-jxsgsohozvckjpdd] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:37:32 -!- pinkwerks [~pinkwerks@cpe-74-68-129-122.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 06:39:41 nostoi [~nostoi@117.Red-79-154-22.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 06:41:41 -!- eli [~eli@winooski.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:43:44 dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 06:43:54 it is oddly satisfying to solve performance problems coming from too many layers of indirection by adding *another* layer of indirection 06:46:30 adu [~ajr@softbank220043138128.bbtec.net] has joined #lisp 06:46:49 -!- tronador_ [~guille@190.253.157.83] has quit [Quit: tronador_] 06:46:51 sacho [~sacho@95-42-76-75.btc-net.bg] has joined #lisp 06:51:18 varjag [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has joined #lisp 06:52:37 -!- dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 06:53:05 dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 06:58:02 -!- Landr [~vser@78-22-150-160.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:01:35 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 07:05:54 -!- Jubb [~ghost@129.21.84.61] has quit [Quit: Jubb] 07:07:41 -!- M-sprite [~M-sprite@122.237.18.223] has quit [Quit: I need to code or sleep now .] 07:11:56 jdz [~jdz@193.206.22.97] has joined #lisp 07:12:04 tcr1 [~tcr@86.Red-83-33-177.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 07:12:07 theratking862 [~Charlie_H@pool-173-48-130-251.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 07:13:53 any recommendations for a graphics library or something to use with common lisp? I've been looking online but I can't find anything that stands out. preferably it would be relatively easy to use 07:15:40 theratking862: what are you looking to do? 07:16:14 really basic 2d stuff. drawing circles on a screen sort of thing 07:16:48 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-109-64-211-191.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:17:26 spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-yvjlokphfogfsyie] has joined #lisp 07:17:50 cmm [~cmm@109.64.211.191] has joined #lisp 07:18:22 M-sprite [~M-sprite@122.237.18.223] has joined #lisp 07:19:34 turtle graphics! 07:19:48 little more complex than that :) 07:20:36 don't dis the turle 07:20:44 turtle even 07:23:17 also: i dont even have a lisp implementation yet. I'm on a windows 7 64 bit machine. any recommendations? 07:24:28 I used lispbox a few years ago, but it was just the first thing i could find 07:26:24 mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 07:26:27 -!- nostoi [~nostoi@117.Red-79-154-22.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 07:26:44 good morning 07:27:07 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:27:08 hello mvilleneuve 07:28:01 -!- Younder [~john@224.13.202.84.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:28:15 theratking862: The absolute easiest thing you can do is to download McCLIM, fire up the listener, and just call the drawing primitives. You don't even need to write an application. 07:28:29 -!- rins [~user@173-162-214-174-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:29:36 k04n [~k04n@cpe-76-175-192-194.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 07:29:37 beach: looking at the mcclim website right now thanks 07:29:53 -!- k04n [~k04n@cpe-76-175-192-194.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:29:55 theratking862: You can install it using quicklisp. It's the easiest way. 07:30:00 k04n [~k04n@cpe-76-175-192-194.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 07:31:20 beach: cool. do you have a recommendation for an implementation of CL for windows 7? 07:31:35 theratking862: No, I recommend people don't use Windows. 07:32:11 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:32:20 beach: sadly I can't change my operating system. Once I get a new laptop for college ill make the switch 07:33:17 mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 07:34:32 l0ve [~l0ve@208-58-71-117.c3-0.fch-ubr1.lnh-fch.md.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 07:36:18 egor_tensin [~egor@217.197.5.81] has joined #lisp 07:37:22 z0d [~z0d@artifact.hu] has joined #lisp 07:37:22 -!- z0d [~z0d@artifact.hu] has quit [Changing host] 07:37:22 z0d [~z0d@unaffiliated/z0d] has joined #lisp 07:37:22 -!- egor_tensin [~egor@217.197.5.81] has quit [Client Quit] 07:37:43 egor_tensin [~egor@217.197.5.81] has joined #lisp 07:37:43 ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-yzpjomfuyxxhnzui] has joined #lisp 07:37:43 -!- ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-yzpjomfuyxxhnzui] has quit [Changing host] 07:37:43 ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has joined #lisp 07:37:54 Harag [~Harag@wbs-41-208-211-15.wbs.co.za] has joined #lisp 07:38:07 -!- egor_tensin [~egor@217.197.5.81] has quit [Client Quit] 07:39:02 Dranik [~dim@86.57.253.61] has joined #lisp 07:40:15 mrSpec [~Spec@88.208.105.6] has joined #lisp 07:40:15 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@88.208.105.6] has quit [Changing host] 07:40:15 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 07:40:37 theratking862: you could run *nix under a VM, through dual boot, off a live CD, or even through something like cygwin/cooperative-linux 07:40:40 daniel__ [~daniel@p5082A4BA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 07:41:26 i'd recommend you a good windows-native lisp if i could, but i don't know of any 07:41:40 clisp? 07:41:47 pattern: LispWorks 07:42:20 theratking862: LispWorks 07:42:46 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-77-24.lns20.bne4.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 07:44:17 -!- Deesl [~bsdboy@unaffiliated/deesl] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 07:44:21 lispworks is better than Clisp? 07:44:29 -!- daniel [~daniel@p508297AE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:44:55 I am pretty sure it is, though I have never used either. 07:45:34 ill try it. thanks for the tips guys 07:48:34 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@74.209.54.217] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:49:36 ahh it appears one must purchase a full version of lispworks. the free version limits program size and duration 07:49:55 clisp it is 07:50:01 theratking862: Since you were willing to pay for Windows, I think you should be willing to pay for your Lisp system as well. 07:50:35 i've heard clozure cl also runs well on winblows 07:51:05 the difference is that programming lisp is a luxury 07:51:21 kiuma [~kiuma@85-18-55-37.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 07:51:26 it's just something im going to do for fun. I don't want to invest anything in it 07:51:31 theratking862: and LispWorks personal is good enough for playing, the session time limit is a bit annoying, though 07:51:35 -!- tcr1 [~tcr@86.Red-83-33-177.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:51:57 theratking862: and LispWorks has its own GUI library (cross platform at that) 07:52:23 maybe im just really ocd and don't like getting products with limitations like that 07:52:26 theratking862: creating a window and drawing stuff is really simple there 07:52:44 ill give it a try 07:52:53 morning 07:53:24 -!- adu [~ajr@softbank220043138128.bbtec.net] has quit [Quit: adu] 07:53:24 hello kiuma 07:53:46 one thing that annoys me about commercial lisps is that for some reason they think 64-bits is somehow enterprise 07:53:59 i'm not willing to buy into that 07:54:09 i noticed that too. odd 07:55:11 it's their product, and i respect their choices, and leave it at that 07:56:00 interrupting lisp programming for some monthes is devasting, fortunately I'm getting confidence again and things are proceeding with a different speed :). I really need to create a lisp business by myself 07:56:07 adu [~ajr@softbank220043138128.bbtec.net] has joined #lisp 07:56:10 felipe [~felipe@unaffiliated/felipe] has joined #lisp 07:56:10 -!- leo2007 [~leo@117.28.17.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:56:31 mishoo_ [~mishoo@79.112.237.60] has joined #lisp 07:56:38 e-user [~akahl@nat/nokia/x-pvdscdykovajpwxv] has joined #lisp 07:56:40 kiuma: lisp business? isn't it like usual business where you develop products? 07:56:51 except everyone talks funnily. 07:57:04 no :( I'm a skilled java web dev 07:58:12 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@74.209.54.217] has joined #lisp 07:58:16 -!- adu [~ajr@softbank220043138128.bbtec.net] has quit [Client Quit] 07:58:30 and here in italy is very difficult to purpose something a bit different, We live in a java centric world, but you may already know it 07:58:44 no i don't 07:59:22 well here in milano is like that 07:59:42 i don't understand the business thinking of italians at all, to be honest 08:00:23 shops being closed at random times during the day (and week) is one thing 08:00:28 jdz, aren't you the one from Trento ? 08:00:33 i am 08:00:34 -!- whee [~whee@cpe-69-207-157-162.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:00:44 here for 9 months already :) 08:01:08 ah, you are not italian 08:01:22 that's right 08:01:31 anyway the java centric thing is frustrating 08:01:53 whee [~whee@cpe-69-207-157-162.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 08:02:29 -!- MetalDust [~metaldust@75-32-203-61.lightspeed.ftwotx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:02:49 now I'm on barilla, I'm developing a java/liferay appplication and this technology sucks even on my laptop 08:03:14 sacho: Wow! That is *so* witty!!! Especially since it's your first uttering. How did you come up with that joke? 08:04:10 beach: well, i found it appropriate 08:04:25 beach: really, what is a "lisp business"? 08:04:53 i guess LispWorks and Franz are into that, but not what kiuma had in mind i guess 08:05:02 a lot of guessing on my part 08:06:09 ok, I explain ... :P making money creating applications written in CL 08:06:35 (web applications for my case) 08:06:44 was it so difficult ? 08:07:09 kiuma: from the business point of view -- how is that different from writing [web] applications in non-CL? 08:07:48 tramendously 08:08:37 I think lisp is the only language that has a more or less 1to1 relation to html 08:09:09 slash_ [~unknown@pD955AF97.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 08:09:33 CL unifies the speed of a compiled language and the flexibility of an interpreted one 08:09:54 that translates in a greater development speed 08:10:04 *into a 08:10:08 you don't have to do lisp marketing in here, you know? 08:10:19 yes I know 08:10:56 you asked "how is..." I explained my point of view 08:11:52 in the end, it's the product you create that matters, not the tools you used 08:12:05 of course, the choice of tools is of great importance 08:12:08 explain it to customers 08:12:09 ehu [~ehuels@109.35.69.90] has joined #lisp 08:12:22 customers don't care 08:12:24 that's the point 08:12:34 all they care about are the product and the service you can provide 08:13:06 not true, absolutely not, at least here 08:13:18 jdz: Since you don't seem to think there is a difference between Lisp and other languages, why do you use Lisp? 08:13:40 beach: i did not say there is no difference 08:13:51 I don't sell my solutions to local shops 08:13:57 jdz: What is the difference in your opinion, if it doesn't matter to the products in the end? 08:14:38 beach: well, it allows me to create stuff faster, with greater reliability and confidence than other tools. 08:15:03 jdz: So it *does* matter, because it might influence the *cost* and the *quality* of the products. 08:15:27 jdz: So why did you say that the customers don't care? 08:15:36 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@74.209.54.217] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 08:15:39 beach, "you don't have to do lisp marketing in here, you know?" :P 08:15:55 ahh, that's applies only to me :P 08:15:59 beach: as i said, customers care about the product and the service, and price 08:16:02 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@74.209.54.217] has joined #lisp 08:16:20 jdz: No, you didn't say that. You didn't mention price. 08:16:25 beach: The customers shouldn't care which tool makes you as productive as you are, only about your productivity 08:16:40 I would guess the main reason is maintenance though 08:16:50 beach: well, it was implied. 08:17:07 not true, not true for Barilla, not true for Unicredit, not true for LaFeltrinelli, not true for FedEx 08:17:12 etc 08:17:28 -!- splittist [~splittist@30-245.62-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:17:41 -!- parcs [~patrick@ool-45741d7d.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:18:09 parcs [~patrick@ool-45741d7d.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 08:21:33 it's like calling foresting business a "chainsaw business" because chainsaws are used 08:21:56 s/foresting/wood processing 08:21:58 or whatever 08:23:03 HET2 [~diman@cpc1-cdif12-2-0-cust125.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 08:24:16 Joreji [~thomas@79-125.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 08:25:48 nha [~prefect@imamac13.epfl.ch] has joined #lisp 08:30:32 -!- theratking862 [~Charlie_H@pool-173-48-130-251.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has left #lisp 08:32:39 splittist [~splittist@93.112.202.62.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #lisp 08:32:41 huangho [~vitor@201-66-151-172.paemt700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #lisp 08:33:41 ifaria [~user@2001:250:4001:143:222:68ff:fe76:88e4] has joined #lisp 08:34:50 -!- pkhuong [~pkhuong@gravelga.xen.prgmr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:36:40 -!- splittist [~splittist@93.112.202.62.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:37:38 splittist [~splittist@93.112.202.62.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #lisp 08:39:29 alama [~alama@n138215.science.ru.nl] has joined #lisp 08:40:21 insomniaSalt [~milan@port-92-204-104-54.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 08:40:30 -!- The_Fellow1 [~spider1@62.219.129.123] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:40:48 aerique [euqirea@xs3.xs4all.nl] has joined #lisp 08:42:05 -!- huangho [~vitor@201-66-151-172.paemt700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 08:43:00 xan_ [~xan@167.Red-79-158-92.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 08:43:30 -!- insomnia1alt [~milan@port-92-204-84-29.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:49:01 The_Fellow [~spider1@62.219.129.123] has joined #lisp 08:49:14 -!- ehu [~ehuels@109.35.69.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:49:24 TeMPOraL [~user@213.158.217.223] has joined #lisp 08:50:14 -!- M-sprite [~M-sprite@122.237.18.223] has quit [Quit: I need to code or sleep now .] 08:50:42 M-sprite [~M-sprite@122.237.18.223] has joined #lisp 08:55:34 Hun [~Hun@host-80-81-19-29.customer.m-online.net] has joined #lisp 08:55:40 pkhuong [~pkhuong@gravelga.xen.prgmr.com] has joined #lisp 08:55:57 -!- Joreji [~thomas@79-125.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 08:56:56 -!- ZabaQ [~Zaba@135.114-84-212.staticip.namesco.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:57:45 jso` [~user@wsip-70-164-99-62.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 08:59:22 -!- jso [~user@wsip-70-164-99-62.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:01:04 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-140-65-75.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 09:01:06 Athas [~athas@130.225.165.35] has joined #lisp 09:01:37 -!- gnooth [~gnooth@ip98-176-79-151.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:02:06 gnooth [~gnooth@ip98-176-79-151.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 09:02:57 mcguitan83 [~user@2001:660:330f:a4:219:d1ff:fe7d:3bfe] has joined #lisp 09:04:19 -!- neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.226] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 09:05:20 adu [~ajr@softbank220043138128.bbtec.net] has joined #lisp 09:07:53 -!- ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:09:12 Hello! I'm trying write simply program using CFFI. Could you tell me what I am doing wrong? 09:10:12 http://paste.lisp.org/display/119790 09:10:18 -!- k04n [~k04n@cpe-76-175-192-194.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:12:58 H4ns` [~user@pD4B9E8A4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 09:14:04 trebor_dki [~user@mail.dki.tu-darmstadt.de] has joined #lisp 09:14:39 ZabaQ [~Zaba@135.114-84-212.staticip.namesco.net] has joined #lisp 09:14:51 -!- splittist [~splittist@93.112.202.62.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 09:16:53 -!- H4ns [~user@pD4B9E709.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:17:56 splittist [~splittist@93.112.202.62.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #lisp 09:18:07 -!- jso` [~user@wsip-70-164-99-62.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:18:36 jso` [~user@wsip-70-164-99-62.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 09:20:04 ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-vlniqfgurkzbpyhd] has joined #lisp 09:20:04 -!- ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-vlniqfgurkzbpyhd] has quit [Changing host] 09:20:04 ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has joined #lisp 09:21:46 mrSpec: mem-ref isn't & 09:23:52 fe[nl]ix: could you tell me how should I write this? 09:23:53 Morning 09:24:00 morning splittist 09:24:02 hello splittist 09:26:00 mrSpec: n is already a pointer 09:27:18 fe[nl]ix: so I should use just: (cl-clp::clp_rec "foo" out n) ? 09:27:49 it still kills my lisp :( "Lisp connection closed unexpectedly: connection broken by remote peer" 09:28:56 -!- amb007 [~a_bakic@87.29.195-77.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:30:36 ramkrsna_ [~ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-tigcbkubxsjreogf] has joined #lisp 09:31:06 amb007 [~a_bakic@87.29.195-77.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #lisp 09:31:21 -!- slash_ [~unknown@pD955AF97.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:31:43 slash_ [~unknown@pD955AF97.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 09:32:00 2 x *more* speed, yesterday this was ~5secs: http://paste.lisp.org/display/119794 09:32:06 \o/ 09:32:41 (current HEAD takes ~13secs) 09:33:55 -!- ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:35:41 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-140-65-75.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:37:03 -!- reb```` [~user@nat/google/x-ljxxppxfapfndhgr] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 09:37:07 reb```` [~user@nat/google/x-onsrktswnfjwenxu] has joined #lisp 09:42:27 nikodemus: What does it do? 09:42:58 *alama* blows up his sbcl image using cl-graph, working with a graph of 3.8 million vertices 09:43:01 oops 09:43:22 s/vertices/edges 09:43:31 (there are only 9.5k vertices) 09:44:20 alama: Show me something interesting you've done with this graph 09:44:49 Quadrescence: one question i'm trying to answer is: what is the probability that there is a path between two random vertices? 09:45:14 -!- benny [~benny@i577A319E.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:45:21 alama: Is there a restriction on edge length? 09:45:43 Is it a directed graph? 09:45:52 Quadrescence: in this case, my edges don't have a length, or, i guess what amounts to the same, all edges have the same length 09:45:54 Quadrescence: yeah 09:46:23 beach: optimizing SLOT-VALUE in the presence of SLOT-VALUE-USING-CLASS 09:47:01 alama: What generated this graph? 09:47:02 _danb_ [~user@124-171-12-242.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 09:47:06 Or what does it represent? 09:47:07 Quadrescence: but it seems i can't work with this graph  using cl-graph 09:47:16 I'm planning to start learning and using Hunchentoot - Is it recommended to use SBCL for this on FreeBSD, even though it's supposedly a bit unstable? 09:47:18 -!- TeMPOraL [~user@213.158.217.223] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:47:30 Quadrescence: it represents a fine-grained dependency graph for a corpus of formal mathematical proofs, coming from the mizar library (http://www.mizar.org) 09:47:45 alama: My interest just spiked about 15583% 09:47:54 Quadrescence: :-> 09:49:03 beach: here's that particular benchmark http://paste.lisp.org/display/119763 09:49:13 Quadrescence: tell me more about your interest 09:50:13 alama: Well I'm interested in computer algebra, and right now am doing a great deal of contemplation about using probabilistic and machine learning methods to do proofs. 09:50:56 Quadrescence: wow, sounds awesome; i work some kindred areas 09:51:27 Quadrescence: check out the preprint "Premise selection for mathematics by corpus analysis and kernel methods" on my homepage (http://centria.di.fct.unl.pt/~alama/) 09:51:34 it involves machine learning and formal proofs 09:53:52 alama: what are you, /some kind of expert/? 09:54:22 Quadrescence: well, i do get paid to do this kind of thing :-> 09:54:29 -!- am0c [~am0c@124.49.51.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:55:02 Quadrescence: i use lisp to do a lot of my work 09:55:31 alama: I'm sorry to say but you've set yourself up for a lot of PMs from me. 09:55:43 Quadrescence: be my guest :-> 09:56:10 gaidal: i'd expect sbcl to be fine on freebsd 09:56:56 nikodemus: OK, nice. I read on cyrusharmon.org that SBCL wasn't so well supported there. 09:57:28 gaidal: it certaily isn't a primary platform, but i doubt it is that for _any_ cl 09:57:55 I see. What should I do to expect to run into problems? :) 09:58:04 If any. 09:58:05 report bugs :) 09:59:05 gaidal: there are currently two open freebsd specific bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/sbcl/+bugs?field.searchtext=freebsd&orderby=-importance&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.omit_dupes= 09:59:05 on&field.has_patch=&field.has_no_package= 09:59:26 Nice address 10:00:02 aaargs 10:00:42 https://bugs.launchpad.net/sbcl/+bug/430696 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/sbcl/+bug/666450 10:00:51 leveldoc [~user@cpe-98-155-196-201.hawaii.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 10:02:09 OK, it doesn't seem that bad. I guess I'm asking because I don't have enough CL experience to be able to tell if it didn't treat me well on some platform. 10:02:19 I'll go ahead and use it then. 10:02:22 Thanks :) 10:02:45 Joreji [~thomas@72-053.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 10:03:52 -!- fisxoj [~fisxoj@cpe-24-59-205-231.twcny.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:03:56 one major tip if you're going to be using threads: don't use interrupt-thread or with-timeout except as interactive debugging tools 10:04:29 -!- froydnj [~froydnj@gateway.codesourcery.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:04:55 Alright, will make a note 10:07:25 -!- pankajm [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:09:15 am0c [~am0c@124.49.51.197] has joined #lisp 10:11:18 nefo [~nefo@2001:da8:200:900e:200:5efe:3b42:8f51] has joined #lisp 10:11:18 -!- nefo [~nefo@2001:da8:200:900e:200:5efe:3b42:8f51] has quit [Changing host] 10:11:18 nefo [~nefo@unaffiliated/nefo] has joined #lisp 10:15:16 -!- M-sprite [~M-sprite@122.237.18.223] has quit [Quit: I need to code or sleep now .] 10:22:52 Nshag [user@chl45-1-88-123-84-8.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 10:23:17 M-sprite [~M-sprite@122.237.18.223] has joined #lisp 10:25:14 drdo [~user@91.205.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lisp 10:25:18 mega1 [~user@catv4E5CABA2.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #lisp 10:26:16 arbscht: what happened? 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:) 10:41:34 haha 10:41:53 No.. its like im forgetting i have install this on my mb. 10:42:15 and If I have to be honest..I don't have a lot of time for this (A) 10:42:51 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 10:44:26 -!- ZabaQ [~Zaba@135.114-84-212.staticip.namesco.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:47:21 ignas [~ignas@78-60-36-123.static.zebra.lt] has joined #lisp 10:48:21 so where are u beach (A) 10:49:15 u beach are next to v beach. 10:49:32 ramkrsna__ [~ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-abjapjqbghjzkfva] has joined #lisp 10:49:43 haha 10:51:01 I've made my CFFI example even simplier, and it is still not working :( Could anyone take a look on this 2 lines: http://paste.lisp.org/display/119790#1 ? 10:51:02 rvirding [~chatzilla@c-8b92e255.56-4-64736c14.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 10:52:10 -!- leveldoc [~user@cpe-98-155-196-201.hawaii.res.rr.com] has left #lisp 10:52:43 -!- ramkrsna_ [~ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-tigcbkubxsjreogf] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:53:39 -!- slash_ [~unknown@pD955AF97.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:55:48 flip214 [~marek@2001:858:107:1:baac:6fff:fe6b:9183] has joined #lisp 10:55:48 -!- flip214 [~marek@2001:858:107:1:baac:6fff:fe6b:9183] has quit [Changing host] 10:55:48 flip214 [~marek@unaffiliated/flip214] has joined #lisp 10:57:12 Why is it that if I do M-: (slime-eval-print "t") in a slime buffer it inserts t instantaneously, but the same has considerable delay (less than 1s) when done in a lisp buffer? 10:57:36 (on allegro) 11:04:51 hah, my slot-access improvements even shrink the to core :) 11:05:06 s/to // 11:06:32 oh, wait, i misread that -- no change in core size after all. that would have been too good to be true anywyas 11:08:04 M-sprite [~M-sprite@60.183.247.231] has joined #lisp 11:09:54 slash_ [~unknown@pD955B43F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 11:12:47 Agari [~Agari@180.Red-81-33-92.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 11:18:19 -!- ramkrsna__ [~ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-abjapjqbghjzkfva] has quit [Quit: Quit] 11:18:30 Athas [~athas@shop3.diku.dk] has joined #lisp 11:22:04 yvdriess [~Beef@soft85.vub.ac.be] has joined #lisp 11:27:18 -!- alama [~alama@n138215.science.ru.nl] has quit [Quit: alama] 11:28:40 ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-vikpvrpwdwogdceb] has joined #lisp 11:28:46 -!- ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-vikpvrpwdwogdceb] has quit [Changing host] 11:28:46 ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has joined #lisp 11:32:29 ZabaQ [~Zaba@135.114-84-212.staticip.namesco.net] has joined #lisp 11:32:50 benny [~benny@i577A307C.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 11:34:32 -!- M-sprite [~M-sprite@60.183.247.231] has quit [Quit: I need to code or sleep now .] 11:38:40 jesusito [~user@58.pool85-49-45.dynamic.orange.es] has joined #lisp 11:41:17 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181199216.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 11:41:25 -!- tomaw [tom@freenode/staff/tomaw] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 11:49:21 -!- spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-yvjlokphfogfsyie] has left #lisp 11:51:42 Yuuhi [benni@p5483C3A4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 11:51:52 -!- zomgbie [~jesus@84-119-93-83.static.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:52:09 nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181199216.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 11:53:45 -!- abdel_ [~abdel@86.85.150.158] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:54:12 mega1: what's the difference between a slime buffer and a lisp buffer? repl vs file? 11:58:54 alama [~alama@n138215.science.ru.nl] has joined #lisp 11:59:33 -!- Joreji [~thomas@72-053.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:00:59 zmv [~daniel@c934a93a.virtua.com.br] has joined #lisp 12:01:36 jobf [~jfranck@c-9fbde555.03-87-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 12:05:45 -!- hargettp [~hargettp@dhcp-162.mirrorimage.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:06:02 Hmm, is there support for atomic-incf across most major implementations or am i going to have to choose between only working on sbcl and using locks? 12:06:07 hargettp [~hargettp@pool-71-184-178-117.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 12:06:40 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@116.21.203.115] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:07:02 gaidal [~gaidal@116.21.203.115] has joined #lisp 12:07:31 drdo: i think most supply at least compate-and-swap or equivalent, which you can use to implement an atomic-incf 12:08:01 mrSpec: why do you say it's not working? Also, I'd have to look at the C and CFFI declarations to see if they match. 12:11:34 luis: http://paste.lisp.org/display/119790#2 it's not working cause... "Lisp connection closed unexpectedly: connection broken by remote peer" 12:12:13 hmm, i've got a 2x2 array whose entries are either t or nil; how do i declare that to the lisp compiler? 12:12:25 mrSpec: your *inferior-lisp* buffer should contain some extra information on the crash 12:12:25 (i'm trying to optimize some array processing code using sbcl) 12:12:29 -!- Agari [~Agari@180.Red-81-33-92.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:12:41 gemelen [~shelta@shpd-95-53-165-93.vologda.ru] has joined #lisp 12:12:52 -!- _danb_ [~user@124-171-12-242.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:12:55 -!- antgreen [~user@12.50.75.111] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:12:59 i even know the array dimensions 12:13:03 in advance 12:13:49 luis: ahh ok I'll look into it :) 12:14:31 mrSpec: do you have (setq slime-net-coding-system 'utf-8-unix) in your .emacs? 12:15:02 alama: (simple-array boolean (2 2)) 12:15:24 drdo: thanks 12:15:35 don't do that 12:15:36 nikodemus: I use utf-8, but I'm not sure if I have exacly this line 12:15:55 gko [~gko@122-116-15-138.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 12:15:57 sorry, brb 5min 12:16:10 mrSpec: question is, does slime use utf-8 to talk to the lisp? 12:16:37 Kenjin [~josesanto@83.240.225.146] has joined #lisp 12:16:37 alama/drdo: (simple-array bit ...) is better 12:16:45 -!- 36DAA07FI [~siccegge@faui49p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:16:50 nikodemus: why? 12:16:55 nikodemus: can i treat t and nil as bits? 12:17:43 no, but you do (zerop (aref ...)) and (setf (aref ...) (if bool 1 0)) 12:17:57 nikodemus: why? 12:18:05 tomaw [tom@freenode/staff/tomaw] has joined #lisp 12:18:17 using a bit array is going to save space, memory bandwidth, put less pressure on the gc, etc 12:18:18 (..would you want to do that) 12:18:32 Sounds like a case of the compiler not being SS 12:19:17 drdo: you'd end up paying for it elsewhere 12:19:30 hm.. save space on 4 words? t and nil put pressure on GC? 12:19:54 well, if there are only a few booleans, it doesn't matter obviously 12:20:24 (me reads scrollback... oh, ok) 12:20:30 there are ten of millions of booleans her 12:20:49 (needs to proceess a two-dimensional array about 10k by 10k) 12:20:52 well... i rest my case, then 12:20:54 also, bitfiddling will I suspect use /more/ memory bandwidth because you have to read a word before you can write it..? 12:21:19 frodef: the variable is going to be in register or stack anyways 12:21:35 i've done this, and it pays of when you have lots of booleans 12:21:47 it's just stupid _not_ to represent them with bits 12:21:57 Sure it is 12:22:07 But that should be he compiler's job 12:22:12 *the 12:22:28 drdo: i challenge you to find one that does that today 12:22:29 well.. (10k 10k) is a different beast from (2 2) 12:22:48 alama presumably wants fast code today, not after SSC arrives 12:22:55 heh 12:22:56 yes 12:22:57 m1ngus [~nmajo@mi061032.klientdrift.uib.no] has joined #lisp 12:22:57 nikodemus: I'm not claiming it is easy to do so, i have no clue 12:23:02 waiting for SSC is never a good optimization strategy :) 12:23:07 A Sufficiently Smart Compiler will be cleaning up on Jeopardy!, so the bit-fiddling is always going to have to be done by a human... 12:23:11 cfy [~cfy@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has joined #lisp 12:23:13 not sure how to handle bits -- do i treat t and nil as bits? 12:23:17 i mean: 12:23:21 _funding_ optimizations you need can be, though :) 12:23:37 i make my array, delcaring the type of its elements as bit; then i do (setf (aref ...) t) 12:23:39 is that ok? 12:23:42 no 12:23:58 you just use 1 or 0 12:24:20 ok 12:24:50 you write eg. a bref function and setter that hides that 12:24:56 it should be easy to add single-bit-for-boolean array element-type implementation? More of a run-time than compiler issue. 12:25:24 jesusito` [~user@91.pool85-49-229.dynamic.orange.es] has joined #lisp 12:25:42 frodef: yes, if there are still array widetags free. i'm not sure offhand what the case is for sbcl 12:26:10 sellout [~Adium@pool-71-175-25-141.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 12:26:20 it's not rocket science by any means, but i don't think any implementation currently does it. i could be mistaken, though. 12:27:15 The payoff isn't great I suspect... When you need it (huge tables), it's very easy to write your own accessor to deal with it. 12:27:24 -!- jesusito [~user@58.pool85-49-45.dynamic.orange.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:27:47 alama: also, if you need more speed, use a one-dimensional simple-array and do address computations yourself. using a multidimensional array means an extra indirection on every access 12:28:16 it does? 12:28:21 it does? 12:28:26 on sbcl yes 12:28:28 Not intrisically, but ... 12:28:30 -!- gko [~gko@122-116-15-138.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:28:45 nikodemus: yeah, i might end up doing that 12:28:58 i'm going to try the 2d approach and see what happens 12:29:17 multidimensional arrays are an object that holds dimension information (etc) and a pointer to the actual storage vector 12:29:28 one-dimensional ones are just the storage vector 12:29:38 (Unless they're adjustable) 12:30:01 There's no particular reason that non-adjustable multidimensional arrays could't be as well, but ... 12:30:34 ...it's tricky to implement so that everything stays fast. i have some notes somewhere, but i never tried to change that 12:30:36 Zhivago: they're not gogin to be adjustable in my case 12:31:06 alama: The point here is that sbcl implements them like that, so if you care about that, then that's the way it is. 12:31:09 nikodemus: hok, I've added this line to my .emacs 12:32:11 but I think I've found the problem, this library cant find database file. 12:32:19 Zhivago: ok, thanks 12:33:17 gko [gko@122-116-15-138.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 12:34:55 -!- chiguire|m [~chiguire@gentoo/developer/chiguire] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:35:44 chiguire|m [~chiguire@190.39.219.179] has joined #lisp 12:35:44 -!- chiguire|m [~chiguire@190.39.219.179] has quit [Changing host] 12:35:44 chiguire|m [~chiguire@gentoo/developer/chiguire] has joined #lisp 12:36:16 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:36:54 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 12:37:10 bhyde [~Adium@c-66-30-201-212.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:37:41 -!- slash_ [~unknown@pD955B43F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:37:59 -!- jesusito` is now known as jesusito 12:38:09 pmd: sorry, I wanted to say "elisp buffer" (was slime.el in particular) 12:38:29 Agari [~Agari@180.Red-81-33-92.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 12:41:46 -!- hargettp [~hargettp@pool-71-184-178-117.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 12:44:49 Joreji [~thomas@79-125.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 12:44:54 -!- xinming [~hyy@122.238.74.251] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:45:35 xinming [~hyy@122.238.74.251] has joined #lisp 12:48:44 -!- ignas [~ignas@78-60-36-123.static.zebra.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:50:26 ehu [~ehuels@109.34.24.107] has joined #lisp 12:51:17 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-223-208.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:52:20 Davsebamse [~das@94.127.50.104] has joined #lisp 12:53:06 Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-223-208.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:53:29 -!- gko [gko@122-116-15-138.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:57:15 -!- peterhil` [~peterhil@a91-153-127-82.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Quit: Must not waste too much time here...] 12:58:09 gko [gko@122-116-15-138.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 12:58:47 juniorroy [~juniorroy@212.36.224.57] has joined #lisp 13:01:49 Hmm. Somehow (slime-current-package) is returning a list because slime-buffer-package is a list. 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15:16:15 alama: I use 2-d arrays in SBCL and find them to be reasonably fast 15:17:05 milkpost [~milkpost@dhcpw80ff96c0.dynamic.uiowa.edu] has joined #lisp 15:17:35 sacho [~sacho@90.154.201.194] has joined #lisp 15:19:11 -!- cfy [~cfy@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:22:37 -!- peth [anon@unaffiliated/peth] has left #lisp 15:22:46 leo2007 [~leo@117.28.17.59] has joined #lisp 15:23:02 pers [~user@187.sub-75-198-216.myvzw.com] has joined #lisp 15:24:10 slyrus: actually, because of the time pressure (need to get the data now, and my first attempts at using some lisp code were causing it to die), i bailed on a lisp-based solution and switched to a perl soltion 15:25:33 Haha. Lisp 0, perl 1. 15:25:51 Rearden [~John@rrcs-184-74-157-126.nys.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 15:25:59 Sprayzor [~user@82.159.115.173.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #lisp 15:26:11 things you know: 1, things you don't know: 0 15:27:06 dlowe: heh 15:27:19 i would much rather do this in lisp 15:27:28 but i just haven't done much high-perfomance computation with lisp 15:27:50 cl-ppcre and cl-interpol make a nice combo for stuff you might do in perl 15:28:14 -!- orivej [~orivej@rk4015.ws.pu.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:28:23 dlowe: can it scare children? 15:28:27 -!- bhyde [~Adium@50.10.201.28] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:28:41 we have you for that, stassats :) 15:29:30 My son was delighted by the cover of Land of Lisp, but he complained that there weren't enough cartoons inside. 15:29:48 -!- Rearden [~John@rrcs-184-74-157-126.nys.biz.rr.com] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 15:30:20 Xach: :) 15:30:25 -!- Dranik [~dim@86.57.253.61] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:30:31 Xach: you should give him Goedel, Echer, Bach so he can complain that there aren't enough Achilles and Tortoise stories 15:31:20 actually, I learned a lot from those stories when I was a kid, so I can recommend it 15:32:10 The slime problem mentioned previously is fixed in slime head. Now how do I reload the emacs part of slime without restarting emacs? 15:32:43 dlowe: For me, GEB is the most important book of the XXth century. 15:32:51 dfkjjkfd_ [~paulh@210-11-ftth.onsnetstudenten.nl] has joined #lisp 15:32:51 -!- dfkjjkfd [~paulh@210-11-ftth.onsnetstudenten.nl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:33:48 pjb: maybe so. it certainly builds on the shoulders of giants 15:33:50 dlowe: but then, I read it in French, and it looks like the French translation is even better than the English original. 15:34:28 mega1: http://common-lisp.net/~sboukarev/reload-slime.el 15:34:33 pjb: reminds me of Le Ton beau de Marot 15:36:28 Xach: thanks for the recommendation. I will add it to my reading list. 15:37:29 pjb: I haven't read it and can't recommend it, but I believe it's about translation, so your comment about the French translation being superior reminded me of it. 15:37:43 (since it's by the same author, too) 15:38:48 It also took 11 years to complete :-) 15:39:06 stassats: it works, awesome. Thanks. 15:39:19 -!- kleppari [~spa@bitbucket.is] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:39:31 stassats: A slime question for you: Is it possible for slime-buffer-package to ever be a list? 15:40:17 Xach: unfortunately, I can't just do a diff out my quicklisp-installed directory, but can you change vecto/graphics-state.lisp/defmethod copy ((state graphics-state)) such that it does make-instance (class-of state) instead of make-instance 'graphics-state? 15:42:12 -!- aerique [euqirea@xs3.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: ...] 15:42:28 rtoym: i don't expect it to 15:42:36 kleppari [~spa@bitbucket.is] has joined #lisp 15:42:39 slyrus: Why? 15:42:48 xan_ [~xan@97.60.17.95.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 15:42:51 do you have an example? 15:43:45 Xach: so that with-graphics-state returns a copy of the graphics-state that is of the same type as it was before the with-graphics-state 15:43:58 bhyde [~Adium@c-66-30-115-134.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:44:00 slyrus: I understand that, but why? 15:44:05 -!- dkasak [~dkasak@93-138-15-82.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:44:12 stassats: It happens to me everytime I C-c C-m on any form to macroexpand. (With xemacs.) 15:44:19 Xach: (defclass opticl-graphics-state (vecto::graphics-state) ()) 15:44:30 slyrus: Don't do that? 15:44:58 Xach: (defmethod vecto::image-data ((state opticl-graphics-state)) ...) yields an opticl image as the drawing substrate 15:45:44 with that simple change, everything works fine. I can, of course, use my own copy method, but it seems reasonable that copy should return an object of the same type, rather than the (possibly) supertype. 15:46:28 That's sensible, but vecto isn't designed with that kind of extension in mind. If you want to extend it despite that, use change-class and an :around method on copy or something. 15:46:43 rtoym: i get -Lisp error: (wrong-type-argument stringp ("COMMON-LISP-USER" #)) 15:46:56 does it look similar? 15:46:59 Yes, that's what I see. 15:47:22 ok, i'll see what it's doing 15:47:52 I narrowed it down to slime-buffer-package being a list, but I haven't yet figured out how it gets to be a list. A list with the slime connection object, no less. 15:48:20 orivej [~orivej@rk4015.ws.pu.ru] has joined #lisp 15:49:57 Xach: sure, I could do that, or I could harangue the author of the package to fix his copy method. both paths sound reasonable. 15:50:07 M-sprite [~M-sprite@122.237.2.31] has joined #lisp 15:50:16 slyrus: Now you see how well haranguing works, time for track 2 :) 15:50:29 -!- bhyde [~Adium@c-66-30-115-134.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:50:49 bhyde [~Adium@c-66-30-115-134.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:53:18 *slyrus* has the general feeling that if he's calling change-class he's doing something wrong 15:55:16 *Xach* feels the same way about ::s 15:56:07 My feeling is that :: is just a random thing you have to type sometimes when : gives you an error. :) 15:56:52 oh, sb-c:random-function is an internal symbol, sb-c::random-function it is, then! 15:57:08 -!- pankajm [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 15:57:24 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Do you recall its name or location? 21:03:02 Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-223-208.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:04:58 zfx [~zfx@unaffiliated/zfx] has joined #lisp 21:05:31 francogrex: it was on cll this year. 21:05:35 BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has joined #lisp 21:05:47 jesusito [~user@220.pool85-49-234.dynamic.orange.es] has joined #lisp 21:06:12 ltriant [~ltriant@lithium.mailguard.com.au] has joined #lisp 21:06:57 ok /me goes to search google groups 21:07:29 -!- apox [apox@scorn.csh.rit.edu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:07:34 apox [apox@scorn.csh.rit.edu] has joined #lisp 21:08:40 hober [~ted@unaffiliated/hober] has joined #lisp 21:09:33 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-141-166-110.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:12:08 fsrt [~m@talula.plus.com] has joined #lisp 21:12:23 -!- rootzlevel [~hpd@91-66-218-51-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:13:22 rootzlevel [~hpd@91-66-218-51-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 21:15:20 -!- silenius_ [~silenus@p54947CBC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:15:36 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 21:16:12 -!- z0d [~z0d@unaffiliated/z0d] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:16:23 nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181199216.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 21:18:01 -!- Bronsa [~brace@host158-189-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:19:39 z0d [~z0d@unaffiliated/z0d] has joined #lisp 21:19:53 -!- fsrt [~m@talula.plus.com] has quit [Quit: fsrt] 21:20:47 -!- Khisanth [~Khisanth@pool-96-246-10-165.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:21:31 mrSpec [~Spec@88.208.105.6] has joined #lisp 21:21:31 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@88.208.105.6] has quit [Changing host] 21:21:31 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 21:23:19 s0ber_ [~s0ber@111-240-165-208.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 21:25:24 -!- s0ber [~s0ber@111-240-171-188.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:25:25 Joreji [~thomas@79-125.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 21:25:42 -!- s0ber_ is now known as s0ber 21:27:41 -!- cheezus [~Adium@76-10-163-32.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:28:24 Khisanth [~Khisanth@pool-96-246-10-165.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 21:29:12 -!- beach` is now known as beach 21:29:27 Good morning everyone! 21:29:32 -!- seek2011 [cb81c3a8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.129.195.168] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:29:57 -!- rpg [~rpg@mpls.sift.info] has quit [Quit: rpg] 21:30:18 -!- hober [~ted@unaffiliated/hober] has left #lisp 21:30:44 hello beach :) 21:31:44 -!- bohanlon [~bohanlon@66.170.231.113] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:32:51 -!- Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:34:17 -!- pnq [~nick@host-149.ssu.portsmouth.oh.us] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:34:29 mornin' 21:35:46 kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 21:36:07 Phantom_Hoover [~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486] has joined #lisp 21:36:20 -!- cnl [~cnl@78.31.74.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:37:33 dralston [~dralston@S0106687f74a12729.va.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 21:38:43 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:39:03 -!- dralston [~dralston@S0106687f74a12729.va.shawcable.net] has left #lisp 21:39:21 -!- milanj [~milanj_@109-92-126-160.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:40:39 confounds [~confounds@CPE0013f7f0bd88-CM0013f7f0bd84.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 21:40:51 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 21:41:43 -!- Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:42:18 Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has joined #lisp 21:43:23 bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #lisp 21:43:58 -!- kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:45:20 funny how I missed it, though I try to follow cll regularly. can't find it. I only see the objective-cl lib you wrote. Google groups don't make the search very smooth with all the spamthere! 21:45:46 -!- Phantom_Hoover [~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486] has left #lisp 21:46:05 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181199216.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:46:24 p_l|backup, I've loaded up CCL and tried to run some examples, but no joy. :( I've sent up the script properly and the probe-file test worked... Any suggestions on what could be wrong? 21:46:39 s/sent/set 21:46:53 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:47:15 nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181199216.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 21:47:44 Joreji_ [~thomas@79-125.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 21:48:01 are there new post on lemonodor? 21:48:37 not really, he's on tumblr now, though 21:49:37 updated about as frequently 21:49:44 it's no mublag! 21:49:54 Athas [~athas@130.225.165.35] has joined #lisp 21:51:33 dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 21:52:45 ok thanks 21:54:28 -!- Krystof [~csr21@csrhodes.plus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:55:00 dralston [~dralston@S0106687f74a12729.va.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 21:56:11 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:59:02 -!- Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:00:21 rpg [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has joined #lisp 22:01:04 Xach: haha, I post about as often as I exhale (: 22:01:46 rasterba_ [~rasterbar@50.12.160.139] has joined #lisp 22:02:10 Obfuscate [~keii@ip98-176-17-38.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 22:02:12 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 22:02:35 -!- rasterba_ [~rasterbar@50.12.160.139] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:02:57 rasterba_ [~rasterbar@50.12.160.139] has joined #lisp 22:03:02 -!- dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:03:04 sanooj [jpihlaja@unaffiliated/joonas] has joined #lisp 22:04:24 -!- sellout [~Adium@gw3.tacwap.org] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:05:11 -!- rasterbar [~rasterbar@unaffiliated/rasterbar] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:06:48 -!- francogrex [~user@109.130.134.31] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:06:59 -!- sanooj [jpihlaja@unaffiliated/joonas] has quit [Disconnected by services] 22:07:45 Krystof [~csr21@csrhodes.plus.com] has joined #lisp 22:08:28 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:10:46 Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has joined #lisp 22:11:32 sanooj [jpihlaja@unaffiliated/joonas] has joined #lisp 22:12:14 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 22:12:19 cesarbp [~chatzilla@201.151.79.16] has joined #lisp 22:14:37 jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@bl4-38-201.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 22:14:44 -!- rasterba_ is now known as rasterbar 22:14:45 -!- rasterbar [~rasterbar@50.12.160.139] has quit [Changing host] 22:14:45 rasterbar [~rasterbar@unaffiliated/rasterbar] has joined #lisp 22:15:12 -!- leo2007 [~leo@59.57.99.84] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:16:55 Xach: who's paige saez? 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22:49:05 I think that's a "no". 22:49:10 :| 22:49:27 -!- Khisanth [~Khisanth@pool-96-246-10-165.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:50:01 -!- Krystof [~csr21@csrhodes.plus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:52:09 Krystof [~csr21@csrhodes.plus.com] has joined #lisp 22:52:20 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f7540eb.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:53:30 -!- dralston [~dralston@S0106687f74a12729.va.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:53:31 -!- SpitfireWP_ is now known as SpitfireWP 22:53:36 Khisanth [~Khisanth@pool-96-246-10-165.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 22:56:53 -!- milkpost [~milkpost@dhcpw80ff9775.dynamic.uiowa.edu] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 22:57:28 -!- Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:57:43 fantazo_ [~fantazo@178-191-171-97.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #lisp 22:58:15 Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has joined #lisp 22:58:31 -!- rmarianski [~rmariansk@mail.marianski.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:00:54 boiantz [~boiantz@92-247-214-154.spectrumnet.bg] has joined #lisp 23:00:59 -!- tronador_ [~guille@190.145.89.146] has quit [Quit: tronador_] 23:01:33 -!- fantazo [~fantazo@178-191-161-158.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:01:49 argiopeweb [~elliot@adsl-65-160-94.dab.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 23:03:00 -!- cesarbp [~chatzilla@201.151.79.16] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:03:26 -!- Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:03:42 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 23:04:42 Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has joined #lisp 23:04:50 -!- gemelen [~shelta@shpd-95-53-223-162.vologda.ru] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:06:27 -!- fantazo_ [~fantazo@178-191-171-97.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:11:02 -!- mishoo__ [~mishoo@79.112.237.228] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:12:30 -!- lambda-avenger [~roman@adsl-76-254-26-26.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has left #lisp 23:12:57 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 23:14:12 -!- Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:14:32 Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has joined #lisp 23:16:32 -!- ignas_ [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:17:13 schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #lisp 23:18:51 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@pool-98-109-191-187.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 23:21:23 -!- boiantz [~boiantz@92-247-214-154.spectrumnet.bg] has left #lisp 23:21:46 -!- dlowe [~dlowe@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:22:53 cnl [~cnl@78.31.74.25] has joined #lisp 23:22:55 pjb: any input wrt this: http://paste.lisp.org/+2KKF FWICG having spent portion of afternoon reading c.l.l your prob. the resident expert... 23:24:06 -!- ZabaQ [~Zaba@135.114-84-212.staticip.namesco.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:24:58 sellout [~Adium@c-24-61-13-161.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:25:29 I'm taking this to actually require actual lisp XP. I have none, but am going to answer anyway: don't do that. 23:27:31 mon_key: use with-package-iterator and do the comparison yourself 23:29:08 antifuchs: OK. will take a look at that. Thanks. :) 23:30:13 ignas_ [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has joined #lisp 23:31:02 -!- Krystof [~csr21@csrhodes.plus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:34:48 sabalaba [~sabalaba@c-71-227-118-15.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:35:27 -!- Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:36:29 Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has joined #lisp 23:38:58 cesarbp [~chatzilla@189.247.17.76] has joined #lisp 23:40:17 -!- francogrex [~user@109.130.134.31] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:40:38 -!- Joreji [~thomas@79-125.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:45:04 milkpost [~milkpost@dhcpw81ffe7a1.dynamic.uiowa.edu] has joined #lisp 23:45:10 -!- argiopeweb [~elliot@adsl-65-160-94.dab.bellsouth.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:45:26 -!- sabalaba [~sabalaba@c-71-227-118-15.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:49:24 -!- erk [~MrEd@about/apple/iPod/BeZerk] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:50:22 erk [~MrEd@about/apple/iPod/BeZerk] has joined #lisp 23:53:59 -!- beach [~user@116.118.0.131] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:54:08 -!- Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:54:28 Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has joined #lisp 23:55:11 *Saturnation* is disappointed that the code that worked with sbcl doesn't seem to work with ccl :( 23:55:57 -!- jesusito [~user@220.pool85-49-234.dynamic.orange.es] has left #lisp 23:56:14 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-223-208.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:56:48 -!- Joreji_ [~thomas@79-125.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:57:08 Saturnation: do you have any idea why? 23:57:12 cheezus [~Adium@76-10-163-32.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 23:57:26 -!- rvirding [~chatzilla@h134n5c1o1034.bredband.skanova.com] has left #lisp 23:58:06 Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-223-208.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:58:16 tronador_ [~guille@190.253.157.72] has joined #lisp 23:58:51 cl-gtk2 not happy 23:59:14 "GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_param_spec_pool_lookup: assertion `param_name != NULL' failed" might be a clue? :) 23:59:45 SLIME happily shallowed that, had to go cli to get the detials... 00:00:40 "param_name != NULL"? 00:00:45 yeah 00:00:54 hm, C error... 00:01:21 calling out to foreign code 00:01:29 worked OK from sbcl 00:01:40 *Saturnation* checks again, for sanity's saek 00:01:43 kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 00:01:46 s/seak/sake 00:03:01 maybe a problem with FFI in ccl? 00:03:13 *Saturnation* is just randomly guessing at this point... 00:03:16 probably. 00:04:04 -!- tronador_ [~guille@190.253.157.72] has quit [Quit: tronador_] 00:04:33 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:05:09 yeah... works OK with sbcl, not so much with ccl 00:05:23 should try some other things wit ccl... 00:05:33 -!- Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:05:39 tronador_ [~guille@190.253.157.72] has joined #lisp 00:05:49 -!- rswarbrick [~user@molotov.compsoc.warwick.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 00:06:41 nefo [~nefo@2001:da8:200:900e:200:5efe:3b42:8f51] has joined #lisp 00:06:41 -!- nefo [~nefo@2001:da8:200:900e:200:5efe:3b42:8f51] has quit [Changing host] 00:06:41 nefo [~nefo@unaffiliated/nefo] has joined #lisp 00:07:04 -!- Athas [~athas@130.225.165.35] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:08:51 -!- HG` [~HG@xdslba171.osnanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:09:13 simple just show top level window with gtk2 is dying in ccl 00:09:22 *Saturnation* thinks about re-installing gtk2 00:09:34 maybe its like MS Windows? :) 00:10:05 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-146-78.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:10:57 probably not the best way to do it, but I've just nuked the quicklisp directory... 00:11:50 Krystof [~csr21@csrhodes.plus.com] has joined #lisp 00:13:24 bohanlon [~bohanlon@pool-173-48-104-141.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 00:14:57 mon_key: just use string-equal instead of string= 00:17:05 Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has joined #lisp 00:17:52 tritchey_ [~tritchey@70-35-37-146.static.wiline.com] has joined #lisp 00:17:52 -!- tritchey [~tritchey@70-35-37-146.static.wiline.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:17:52 -!- tritchey_ is now known as tritchey 00:20:28 Hexstream [~hexstream@modemcable075.97-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 00:20:57 -!- gozoner_ [~ebg@ebg-10004083621.jpl.nasa.gov] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:21:08 still no workie. I'm dropping evaluation of ccl for the time being... :( 00:23:58 Hum. For some reason it had never occured to me that I could use gensymed class names for macros expanding to a DEFCLASS that will only be used "internally" thereafter... However that could get me in trouble pretty quickly, right? For one thing, if I'm not careful I'll create a new class each time I execute the DEFINE-FOO macro. Anyone uses gensymed class names sometimes? Any other caveats worth considering? 00:24:39 -!- tronador_ [~guille@190.253.157.72] has quit [Quit: tronador_] 00:27:10 And was there a way to create an "unnamed class" that you just hold in some place like you would a closure? 00:28:24 closures are objects. Why do you need a class? 00:28:26 -!- whee [~whee@cpe-69-207-157-162.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:28:37 pbj: THANKS! That was unbeliveably obvious... 00:29:02 pjb: Because I need a poor man's closure. 00:29:29 rien [~rien@dyn-160-39-34-114.dyn.columbia.edu] has joined #lisp 00:29:38 (progn (read-from-string "|HRH bubba|") 00:29:38 (mapcar #'(lambda (x) (and (string-equal x "HRH bubba") x)) 00:29:38 (find-all-symbols "HRH bubba"))) 00:29:38 00:29:51 Hexstream: ISTM that in a macro, it would be easier to write a closure than a defclass + defmethod + whatever... 00:30:06 Ah, AWESOME, I can use (setf (find-class my-gensym) nil) just after my class creation apparently. Damnit, I love this language! 00:30:29 pjb: A class is what I need in this case, thank you. 00:31:15 Ok. So don't worry. 00:31:53 mon_key: Please avoid multiline pastes in this channel, either collapse the expression on one logical line, or use paste.lisp.org. (If you didn't know already.) 00:32:48 -!- chemuduguntar [~ravic@smtp.touchcut.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:33:06 -!- keyvan1 [~keyvan@ip68-5-13-232.oc.oc.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:33:33 keyvan [~keyvan@ip68-5-13-232.oc.oc.cox.net] has joined #lisp 00:33:38 Hexstream: Sorry got excited. 00:33:39 -!- keyvan [~keyvan@ip68-5-13-232.oc.oc.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:33:45 -!- urandom__ [~user@p548A4B15.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:33:50 mon_key: No prob then. 00:34:22 keyvan [~keyvan@ip68-5-13-232.oc.oc.cox.net] has joined #lisp 00:34:36 -!- milkpost [~milkpost@dhcpw81ffe7a1.dynamic.uiowa.edu] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 00:35:23 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 00:36:03 -!- kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:39:04 what's that video that shows a huge example of using macros in CL? I know Peter Seibel's google video shows an example too but there's another one. 00:39:09 -!- eno [~eno@adsl-70-137-160-105.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 00:39:09 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 00:40:14 kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 00:40:26 tronador_ [~guille@190.253.157.72] has joined #lisp 00:42:12 zomgbie [~jesus@85-127-206-14.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #lisp 00:42:27 -!- LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:43:08 gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-155-192-185.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 00:43:31 -!- yahooooo [~yahooooo@ec2-184-72-7-126.us-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com] has quit [Quit: changing servers] 00:43:38 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:44:48 -!- kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:44:56 yahooooo [~yahooooo@ec2-184-72-7-126.us-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com] has joined #lisp 00:48:11 neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.232] has joined #lisp 00:49:26 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-223-208.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:50:54 Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-223-208.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:51:24 -!- dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-89-201.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:53:54 -!- SpitfireWP [~Spitfire@wikipedia/spitfire] has quit [Quit: I'll see you on the dark side of the moon] 00:55:23 Okay, assembly-hacking Lispers. Can you explain why in the MIX instruction set the multiply operator takes one argument in the accumulator (register rA) and the other from memory and then puts the result in two registers (rA and rX) with the most significant bits in rA. I'd sort of expect it to be the other way around since other ops expect their args in rA. 00:55:54 Seems like in the cases where the product fits in one register you're always going to have to move it from rX to rA to do anything else with it. 00:58:29 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 00:59:06 fisxoj [~fisxoj@cpe-24-59-205-231.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 00:59:09 p_l|back1p [~plasek@pp84.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 00:59:09 -!- p_l|back1p [~plasek@pp84.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Client Quit] 00:59:16 <_3b> might make fixed point easier, not sure if that would be worth making normal use harder though 00:59:32 that's interesting... _3b is right that it helps with fixed point and division, but that's about it. 00:59:53 -!- zomgbie [~jesus@85-127-206-14.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:59:59 p_l|back1p [~plasek@pp84.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 01:00:23 -!- p_l|back1p [~plasek@pp84.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has left #lisp 01:00:43 gigamonkey: can I ask you a question about your book? I'm on chapter 14 01:00:58 rien: shoot. 01:01:13 _3b: can you expand a bit on that? 01:01:35 or pkhuong since you seemed to understand what he meant. ;-) 01:01:52 -!- carlocci [~nes@93.37.200.128] has quit [Quit: eventually IE will rot and die] 01:01:53 gigamonkey: I'm coming from Scheme and I rarely needed macros there. I see that many of your examples of macros from chapters 1-14 could be normal functions. are CLers more liberal with writing macros? 01:02:01 -!- juniorroy [~juniorroy@212.36.224.57] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:02:05 I have trouble understand when I should be using them. 01:02:24 juniorroy [~juniorroy@212.36.224.57] has joined #lisp 01:02:41 rien: we do tend to use macros more often than schemers, sometimes as very thin wrappers around the scheme-style functions. 01:03:11 rien: well, basically you should use macros when you're trying to abstract syntax. 01:03:24 What macros are you thinking of that could be written as functions? 01:03:25 -!- juniorroy [~juniorroy@212.36.224.57] has left #lisp 01:03:27 -!- ignas_ [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:05:42 so that's good style then? or are there different schools of thought regarding macros in CL? Some other books I'm reading on scheme say they should be used sparsely 01:05:54 gigamonkey: I'll give you examples, hold on 01:06:15 the general hand waving rule is "use them when nothing else will do" 01:06:23 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:06:26 which usually means controlling the evaluation of parameters. 01:06:47 gigamonkey: the when macro can be a function, for instance. 01:06:57 Not really. 01:07:01 rien: as much as IF. 01:07:16 Not without wrapping everything in lambdas. 01:07:27 Like I said, syntactic abstraction. 01:07:33 gigamonkey: fair enough. let me find a better example 01:07:34 rien: scheme and CL are different languages. 01:07:42 but I think I get your point of syntax abstraction 01:07:44 rien: What is conventional in one is not conventional in the other. 01:07:46 I don't want to write (when something (lamda () do thing)) 01:07:56 I want to write: (when something do thing) 01:08:01 Xach: I'm just trying to understand when to use them in CL and what's good etiquette 01:08:02 most macros can be written as a tiny macro that simply expands to a function call and a lambda 01:08:18 Doing that has a lot of advantages. 01:08:19 foom: I don't know about "most". 01:08:34 rien: I find it poor etiquette (or at least pointless) to say "Gee, things are so different in scheme." 01:08:35 do-*, with-* 01:08:37 I'd go for many. And when you can, it's a fine idea. 01:08:38 -!- cesarbp [~chatzilla@189.247.17.76] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:09:03 I think that's most of the macros people usually write 01:09:35 (except for ones that really have no excuse at all for not being inline functions) 01:09:56 -!- xan_ [~xan@167.Red-79-158-92.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:10:04 hmm, do-primes can' be a function either... nor can with-gensyms, of course... 01:10:28 Xach: point taken already. 01:10:36 rien: note also that Scheme put off having a standard macro system for a long time. IIUC. 01:10:56 They may have had a defacto one but they spent a long time waiting for The Right Thing(tm) to come along. 01:11:02 yep, syntax-rules and then syntax-case now 01:11:23 Talking of Scheme, I found my previous experience with it somewhat damaging when learning CL. 01:11:37 foom: you may be right in terms of numbers or lines of code (Just like there are many, many insects on Earth.) 01:11:59 heh 01:12:06 But to me it shortchanges macros to imply that all they're really for is scraping off a few lambdas. 01:12:08 wow. I love how github automatically expands/formats .org files. 01:12:16 Big, interesting macros do much more than that. 01:12:17 -!- TeMPOraL is now known as TeMPOraL[t] 01:12:18 Nothing against Scheme, i like the language, but i've found myself more often than not "writing scheme in cl". 01:12:21 I remember macros being mentioned with examples in my first lisp book, which used a R2RS dialect 01:12:35 -!- TeMPOraL[t] is now known as TeMPOraL 01:12:35 gigamonkey: I think I get the point now. your macros could indeed be functions but the syntax wouldn't be as pleasing. thanks. 01:12:51 Agari: you mean writing cl in scheme? 01:13:03 dralston [~dralston@S0106687f74a12729.va.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 01:13:07 rien: cool. And wait until you get to chapter 24. 01:13:30 basho___ [~basho__@dslb-092-076-075-201.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 01:13:31 rien, no, scheme in cl when i was learning the later, because of my previous experience with scheme. 01:13:33 -!- schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:13:42 rien: if you really want to bake your noodle, look at the implementation of loop in one of the free common lisps. 01:13:55 TeMP[lalalala] [~user@188.147.156.148.nat.umts.dynamic.eranet.pl] has joined #lisp 01:14:03 gigamonkey: I actually can't wait to get to 30-31, I'm dying to learn how to do the (html (:body.. thing 01:14:12 Agari: gotcha 01:14:14 -!- setmeaway [jnoos43@119.201.52.225] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:14:19 -!- TeMP[lalalala] [~user@188.147.156.148.nat.umts.dynamic.eranet.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:14:25 Fade: won't that be huge? :) 01:14:32 it's not small. 01:14:35 -!- TeMPOraL [~user@188.147.156.148.nat.umts.dynamic.eranet.pl] has left #lisp 01:15:09 heh. the main uses of macros I ended up writing was when I wanted to encapsulate a function so that I didn't have to quote parameters :D 01:15:48 -!- RaceCondition [~erik@82.131.19.252.cable.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: RaceCondition] 01:15:54 -!- basho__ [~basho__@dslb-092-076-064-108.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:16:33 i remember being surprised that format wasn't a macro 01:17:40 Fade: that's interesting to know 01:17:42 Fade: you know about FORMATTER, right? 01:19:10 nay 01:19:51 SpitfireWP [~Spitfire@wikipedia/spitfire] has joined #lisp 01:19:59 as defined in sbcl in late-format.lisp? 01:20:02 Its existence says something about something, I'm sure. 01:20:13 Fade: as defined in http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/m_format.htm 01:21:00 ahh, interesting. 01:21:08 I love this channel. :) 01:24:03 -!- katesmith [~katesmith@unaffiliated/costume] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:24:30 katesmith [~katesmith@unaffiliated/costume] has joined #lisp 01:26:03 gigamonkey: on a related note, though, I'm enjoying the book and learning a lot from it. I'll buy it to Apress know there's a market for it. ;) 01:26:55 Fade: I think looking at series would just toast your noodle. :-) (Well, not the specific you, the generic you.) 01:27:19 QinGW [~wangqingw@60.247.26.3] has joined #lisp 01:27:58 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 01:28:49 rien: Cool. That's what I like to hear! 01:29:11 :)) 01:29:32 -!- enthymeme [~kraken@cpe-76-90-52-4.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.1.1] 01:29:54 gigamonkey: you don't have a link with your kickback id to PCL though, only to the Coders at Work. 01:30:33 an amazon link I mean. 01:32:39 oh there it is 01:33:09 rien: Yeah, and feel free to buy a big screen TV while you're there at Amazon and I'll get a cut of that too. ;-) 01:33:42 gigamonkey: done! (the book, not the tv ;) ) 01:34:00 -!- Krystof [~csr21@csrhodes.plus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:35:33 -!- chxane [~chxane@c-76-124-17-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:36:16 timack [~tim@hlfx64-1-74.ns.sympatico.ca] has joined #lisp 01:37:34 rien: excellent! thanks. 01:39:26 -!- sglinux [~sglinux@cm79.delta181.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:39:46 There's another way of doing (defun (setf foo) args), right? I can't remember what it is. 01:40:13 defsetf 01:40:16 rtoym: defsetf/define-setf-expander? 01:40:42 Ah, defsetf was the answer. 01:40:48 I just couldn't remember! 01:42:02 -!- Yuuhi [benni@p5483BEC0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 01:45:05 -!- tritchey [~tritchey@70-35-37-146.static.wiline.com] has quit [Quit: tritchey] 01:48:43 kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 01:49:00 cesarbp [~chatzilla@189.247.17.76] has joined #lisp 01:50:10 setmeaway [setmeaway3@119.201.52.225] has joined #lisp 01:51:18 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:54:03 -!- Agari [~Agari@4.Red-95-121-141.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:58:33 -!- dralston [~dralston@S0106687f74a12729.va.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:00:38 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:00:41 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-146-193.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 02:01:57 milkpost [~milkpost@173-30-221-186.client.mchsi.com] has joined #lisp 02:09:08 jleija [~jleija@c-98-199-38-40.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:10:19 There's also DEFINE-MODIFY-MACRO, to define things like INCF. On a mostly unrelated note, I struggled to actually understand how the SETF machinery works for years, and then recently everything just came together when came the need to implement a fairly analogous subsystem. Really, to understand how SETF works the two most important things to analyse is GET-SETF-EXPANSION and DEFINE-SETF-EXPANDER. 02:10:56 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 02:10:58 After that, understanding the point of the simplified interfaces like DEFSETF and DEFINE-MODIFY-MACRO is much, much easier. 02:11:45 -!- jleija [~jleija@c-98-199-38-40.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 02:12:06 jleija [~jleija@c-98-199-38-40.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:12:49 rpg_ [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has joined #lisp 02:13:28 -!- kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:13:37 -!- gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-155-192-185.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:14:42 -!- rpg_ [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has quit [Client Quit] 02:15:27 -!- timack [~tim@hlfx64-1-74.ns.sympatico.ca] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:15:48 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:15:56 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 02:16:16 -!- rpg [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:16:36 rpg [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has joined #lisp 02:18:22 hargettp_ [~hargettp@pool-71-174-131-180.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 02:18:29 -!- pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159852.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:20:49 -!- rpg [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has quit [Client Quit] 02:20:56 kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 02:21:03 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:21:33 -!- Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:21:51 Hexstream: I never understood how that stuff worked until I read On Lisp. Enlightenment! 02:22:19 rtoym: Maybe I should read it again, I only read it when I was a newb so presumably I didn't understand much of it... 02:22:42 Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has joined #lisp 02:26:28 krfs [~jonata@189-16-43-233.cte.net.br] has joined #lisp 02:30:14 -!- Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:30:39 wuj [~wuj@207-172-162-191.c3-0.wsd-ubr1.qens-wsd.ny.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 02:31:16 Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has joined #lisp 02:33:09 Krystof [~csr21@csrhodes.plus.com] has joined #lisp 02:33:30 rpg [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has joined #lisp 02:35:52 -!- Hexstream [~hexstream@modemcable075.97-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has left #lisp 02:37:38 -!- Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:38:42 Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has joined #lisp 02:38:45 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181199216.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:39:09 -!- cesarbp [~chatzilla@189.247.17.76] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:39:30 cesarbp [~chatzilla@189.247.17.76] has joined #lisp 02:41:15 On Lisp is definitely not a noob book. 02:41:38 pevaneyn1 [~pevaneyn@77.109.100.142] has joined #lisp 02:43:02 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.215.146] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 02:43:04 -!- dkasak [~dkasak@93-141-115-127.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:43:51 kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.215.146] has joined #lisp 02:43:57 -!- pevaneyn [~pevaneyn@77.109.103.69] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:45:01 dkasak [~dkasak@93-138-29-106.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 02:45:08 -!- bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:45:36 rtoym: were you the one who mentioned that further work on "standardising" hierarchical packages was stopped by voices wishing to get the Symbolics system? 02:46:00 Not hierarchical, but relative package names. 02:46:14 Or something like that. I can't remember the exact name anymore. 02:47:41 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 02:48:03 evening 02:48:42 p_l|backup: And it wasn't standardising. It was just implementing a version. 02:50:04 -!- myu2 [~myu2@x108121.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:50:04 -!- HET2 [~diman@cpc1-cdif12-2-0-cust125.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 02:50:10 dkasak_ [~dkasak@93-138-43-92.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 02:50:13 -!- kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:51:17 -!- dkasak [~dkasak@93-138-29-106.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:51:20 ah 02:51:36 well, the relative package names are rather simple 02:52:33 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:52:41 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 02:53:31 but I guess what I'd really like would be to push along the line of Quicklisp/ASDF and get a clearly-licensed common pack of such things so that implementations would include it 02:53:33 -!- Krystof [~csr21@csrhodes.plus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:54:27 But relative package names needs to hook into the implementations package system pretty tightly, right? 02:54:44 nO0b [~nO0b@c-68-84-46-237.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:55:02 rtoym: into reader, actually 02:55:33 Right. 02:56:14 ale` [~user@109.255.54.142] has joined #lisp 02:57:00 Hello all. Painful noob alert. Can I ask anyone to help with a simple asdf-install problem? 02:57:24 Don't use asdf-install? 02:57:26 *Saturnation* suspects the answer will be quicklisp :) 02:57:35 having put smarkup on the back burner (and having finished my thesis a few years back), and using markdown lately, I find myself missing my literate-programming-ish stuff from smarkup... any recommendations for other approaches before I dive back in to smarkup? 02:57:39 a fully-qualified lookup with relative packages follows package objects, it's just that package A contains symbol V whose symbol-value is <#PACKAGE "B"> 02:58:12 -!- rasterbar [~rasterbar@unaffiliated/rasterbar] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:58:19 nO0b: I'd recommend you drop ASDF-Install. It was great step, but now... it's dead jim 02:58:38 kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 02:59:04 I would be happy to do it. Any links to a suitable substitute? I'm running sbcl/Linux, anything in that world. 02:59:10 p_l|backup, so quicklisp, it asdf, but not as we know it jim? :) 02:59:25 nO0b, quicklisp 02:59:27 hi, I'm having a problem with clx: this simple program http://pastebin.ch/6401 (found at http://www.cawtech.demon.co.uk/clx/simple/examples.html ) eats my cpu (100% usage). What's wrong with it? 02:59:31 Krystof [~csr21@csrhodes.plus.com] has joined #lisp 02:59:38 nO0b: http://www.quicklisp.org/beta/ <--- here, use this. Don't let the word "beta" scare you, cause if this is beta, ASDF-Install was some point in revision control before alpha 03:00:04 wget http://beta.quicklisp.org/quicklisp.lisp && sbcl --no-userinit --load quicklisp.lisp 03:00:06 Saturnation: ASDF-Install /= ASDF 03:00:12 follow the prompts in the repl. 03:00:27 Fade: hehe, even better 03:00:41 -!- Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:00:46 :) 03:00:47 oh, ok, I'll take a look at Quicklisp. Thanks very much for the help, Sat and p_l 03:00:48 ah, thanks, duly noted 03:01:12 Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has joined #lisp 03:01:17 at least I got the answer right :) 03:01:18 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:01:27 nO0b: see also, #quicklisp 03:01:43 ok. 03:02:02 p_l|backup: I no longer remember the details, but I did do a simple implementation for relative package names for cmucl. I think it worked, but what I implemented was not the whole thing. I never figured out what the whole thing was because I could never find documentation on it beyond the simple thing. 03:03:17 eck, gtk on windows seems a bit scary 03:03:20 (by the way, regarding my question: sbcl on ubuntu 32bit, clx installed via quicklisp) 03:04:05 rtoym: That's why I got the VLM working, to read Concordia documents without writing a parser :D 03:04:43 ale`, tried using cl-gtk2 instead? I never tried clx, but am having some success with cl-gtk2 03:05:15 Liera [~Liera@113.172.42.103] has joined #lisp 03:05:50 ale`, looks so complicated compared to gtk. Not quite so low level (at least not that I've seen yet...) 03:06:04 that is gtk isn't so low level 03:06:29 -!- Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:06:52 Saturnation: I'm implementing the XEMBED protocol, because I want to add a systray to stump.. Don't really want extra dependencies :-) 03:07:14 and stump is already using clx ^^ 03:07:33 Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has joined #lisp 03:09:30 ale`: I'd suspect some bad interaction caused by running inside Stump 03:10:50 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 03:11:08 pnq [~nick@ACA2096F.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 03:11:44 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 03:11:45 ah, damn 03:12:07 late night coding^W movie editing makes my comprehency bad 03:13:07 p_l|backup: I'm not testing it inside stump :-) 03:13:20 I'm not actually running stump at the moment. 03:13:34 yeah, I just noticed 03:13:59 gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-155-192-185.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 03:14:01 *p_l|backup* doesn't even run X11 at the moment, slugging away in Premiere 03:14:22 pers [~user@52.sub-69-99-11.myvzw.com] has joined #lisp 03:14:43 -!- kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:15:01 Xach: you really should check out canv.as 03:15:17 what is it? 03:15:23 Xach: (I hope to get invites soon) 03:15:49 it's a bit as if somebody had put wigflip and soup.io into a blender and turned it on "meme" 03:16:05 lol 03:16:23 basically, post (SFW) pictures and make new image macros using an inline editor 03:16:28 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:16:59 is there a lisp connection? 03:17:02 no 03:17:05 just a wigflip one (: 03:17:06 ale`: btw, please use paste.lisp.org next time - it handles lisp code nicely, making it easier to read 03:17:15 p_l|backup: restarted my lisp and it's not happening anymore @_@ 03:17:32 p_l|backup: any nice emacs plugin for it? 03:18:11 yes, search for lisppaste 03:18:26 slyrus: look up the Scribble syntax used in Racket. 03:18:55 alright, thanks :) 03:19:04 nuntius: +1 03:19:25 -!- zmv [~daniel@c934a93a.virtua.com.br] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 03:20:06 -!- hargettp_ [~hargettp@pool-71-174-131-180.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 03:20:38 -!- jweiss [~jweiss@cpe-069-134-009-048.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:21:26 -!- dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:24:36 -!- Krystof [~csr21@csrhodes.plus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:24:50 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 03:26:02 -!- Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:26:27 spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-eoqnansredosrdfr] has joined #lisp 03:26:28 Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has joined #lisp 03:29:55 kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 03:31:50 -!- parcs [~patrick@ool-45741d7d.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:32:48 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:33:06 parcs [~patrick@ool-45741d7d.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 03:35:45 -!- Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:37:45 -!- dkasak_ [~dkasak@93-138-43-92.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:38:05 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 03:38:30 ashleygreer [~ashleygre@74-131-51-218.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #lisp 03:38:31 sglinux [~sglinux@cm36.sigma110.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #lisp 03:38:44 dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 03:39:40 dkasak [~dkasak@93-141-31-166.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 03:40:58 -!- kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:42:53 simplechat [~simplecha@123-243-79-139.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #lisp 03:42:53 -!- simplechat [~simplecha@123-243-79-139.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Changing host] 03:42:53 simplechat [~simplecha@unaffiliated/simplechat] has joined #lisp 03:43:52 antifuchs: therep? 03:44:01 T 03:44:28 :SUP 03:44:28 -!- theBlackDragon [~dragon@83.101.63.124] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:44:50 kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 03:44:53 Nikodemus told me I should use git format patch to submit launchpad patch. Is it your git repo I should be using? 03:45:11 -!- rien [~rien@dyn-160-39-34-114.dyn.columbia.edu] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 03:45:32 yeah, the one on git.boinkor.net 03:45:50 That's what I thought, but I wasn't sure --- I have been using CVS. 03:45:59 that's cool 03:46:17 theBlackDragon [~dragon@83.101.84.12] has joined #lisp 03:46:18 I have another one on github that's an alternative history timeline where sbcl development has switched to git (; 03:46:22 -!- neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.232] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:46:26 neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.232] has joined #lisp 03:46:26 so don't use that, it's outdated (: 03:46:34 -!- neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.232] has quit [Client Quit] 03:46:48 Thanks! I am glad I asked! 03:47:58 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:48:12 -!- ashleygreer [~ashleygre@74-131-51-218.dhcp.insightbb.com] has left #lisp 03:48:34 I'm glad you're switching to git (-: 03:48:53 Is the http url or the git url preferred? 03:49:16 I did up a patch that I hope some day to see pushed! ;-) 03:50:03 BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has joined #lisp 03:50:32 git is way faster, so I'd recommend that (: 03:52:03 -!- kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:52:23 -!- Saturnation [~dsouth@pool-64-223-105-71.burl.east.myfairpoint.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 03:52:47 vilsonvieira [~vilson@201.47.79.251.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #lisp 03:53:56 Krystof [~csr21@csrhodes.plus.com] has joined #lisp 03:56:08 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:57:03 Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has joined #lisp 03:57:40 -!- pabst [~anonymous@208.74.177.139.static.etheric.net] has quit [Quit: pabst] 03:58:00 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 03:59:58 1.0.7.13: Mistakes should be fun, error messages should be beautiful. 03:59:59 take one ~% down, replace it with ~_, several hundred 03:59:59 vintage error message strings in the repository... -- William Harold Newman 04:01:52 neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.232] has joined #lisp 04:01:57 enthymeme [~kraken@cpe-76-90-52-4.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 04:02:27 -!- Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:03:00 kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 04:03:08 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:03:34 gaidal [~gaidal@116.21.219.106] has joined #lisp 04:10:11 Hmm. I thought (asdf:find-system "foo") was suppose to do the magic thing to reload an asd file correctly. 04:12:24 rtoym: it is. 04:12:46 My mistake. I forgot to add a file. 04:13:41 *rpg* is almost disappointed that this isn't an ASDF bug... 04:13:50 -!- trebor_dki [~user@mail.dki.tu-darmstadt.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:14:05 Well, now it's not working. But maybe because I have 2 defsystems in the file. 04:15:05 But (asdf:clear-system "foo2") (load "foo.asd") works. 04:16:05 -!- wuj [~wuj@207-172-162-191.c3-0.wsd-ubr1.qens-wsd.ny.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:16:10 rtoym: Oh yes, if you have foo-bletch in foo.asd, I don't think that FIND-SYSTEM will Do The Right Thing. I don't believe ASDF caches system definition locations (if we did we'd be have to be careful to do the right thing when a new file shadowed an old one). 04:16:49 It does load something, though. Just not sure what it's doing. 04:16:50 pers: Your printer is on fire. 04:17:15 *rtoym* finds it rather annoying that I can't just reload the asd and have it work. 04:17:36 -!- theBlackDragon [~dragon@83.101.84.12] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:17:36 -!- setheus [~setheus@cpe-70-116-140-134.tx.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:17:51 theBlackDragon [~dragon@83.101.63.11] has joined #lisp 04:18:06 setheus [~setheus@cpe-70-116-140-134.tx.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 04:18:28 *rpg* releases XMLS 1.4.1 04:20:07 ...and then slinks off to bed... 04:21:25 -!- rpg [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has quit [Quit: rpg] 04:23:59 vieq [~vieq@metabug/vieq] has joined #lisp 04:24:22 dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has joined #lisp 04:25:13 dkasak_ [~dkasak@93-138-69-221.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 04:26:00 _danb_ [~user@203.38.189.126] has joined #lisp 04:26:48 dralston [~dralston@S0106687f74a12729.va.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 04:27:48 -!- 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[~sykopomp@crlspr-24.233.190.221.myacc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:44:23 -!- parcs [~patrick@ool-45741d7d.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:44:33 nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181199216.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 07:44:35 Ralith: it's just a shell at that uni, i don't go there 07:44:39 wonder if abuse@ is listening 07:44:43 sykopomp [~sykopomp@crlspr-24.233.190.221.myacc.net] has joined #lisp 07:44:53 -!- Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:44:53 parcs [~patrick@ool-45741d7d.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 07:44:57 -!- daniel__ [~daniel@p5B327B05.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:46:03 "hi, someone in my chat room was sending me invitations to another chat room" 07:46:10 Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has joined #lisp 07:47:03 -!- brennanc [~brennanc@adsl-71-135-163-238.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has left #lisp 07:47:41 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@crlspr-24.233.190.221.myacc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:47:41 -!- parcs [~patrick@ool-45741d7d.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:48:12 parcs [~patrick@ool-45741d7d.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 07:48:13 sykopomp [~sykopomp@crlspr-24.233.190.221.myacc.net] has joined #lisp 07:48:26 sshorm: hey, stop sending me that things please 07:48:30 kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 07:48:39 freiksenet: /ignore sshorm ALL 07:48:54 -!- parcs [~patrick@ool-45741d7d.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:48:55 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@crlspr-24.233.190.221.myacc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:49:01 *Fade* sighs 07:49:08 I'd rather have you banned. 07:49:21 sykopomp [~sykopomp@crlspr-24.233.190.221.myacc.net] has joined #lisp 07:49:23 unfortunately my client doesnt support the /ignore command lol 07:49:24 parcs [~patrick@ool-45741d7d.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 07:49:32 but at least i got an explanation 07:49:59 rofl 07:50:02 nvm found it :D 07:50:02 keyvan: what client? 07:50:07 haha 07:50:11 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-141-166-110.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 07:50:20 i'm surprised channels this large don't have +C 07:51:11 -!- Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:51:13 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:52:27 -!- parcs [~patrick@ool-45741d7d.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:52:27 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@crlspr-24.233.190.221.myacc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:52:32 Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has joined #lisp 07:52:53 ya, he penetrated my client's ignore :( 07:52:55 parcs [~patrick@ool-45741d7d.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 07:53:00 sykopomp [~sykopomp@crlspr-24.233.190.221.myacc.net] has joined #lisp 07:53:18 Anyone else who gets: DCC SEND from sshorm [0.0.0.0 port 0]: irc.tddirc.net#hackerthreads [0B bytes] requested in channel #lisp? 07:53:34 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@li212-47.members.linode.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 241 seconds] 07:53:42 nope 07:53:51 yes. 07:53:53 Joreji: yes, or at least some error messages 07:54:06 Joreji: yes. 07:54:32 Intriguing. Do I have to worry about it? 07:54:51 e-user [~akahl@nat/nokia/x-pnhskekyukmbdblx] has joined #lisp 07:55:25 fsrt [~m@talula.plus.com] has joined #lisp 07:55:40 *Joreji* just scrolled up for the logs 07:55:46 -!- ChanServ has set mode +o nikodemus 07:55:52 fmeyer [~fmeyer@189.100.226.227] has joined #lisp 07:55:53 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 07:56:00 sshorm: please stop that right now 07:56:40 Joreji: it may be malicious, but only indirectly 07:56:56 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@crlspr-24.233.190.221.myacc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:56:56 -!- parcs [~patrick@ool-45741d7d.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:56:58 "may" be malicious? 07:57:03 -!- Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:57:06 well 07:57:10 malware-level malicious 07:57:12 Ralith: What? Because it's annoying to look at? 07:57:21 nikodemus: no u 07:57:21 sykopomp [~sykopomp@crlspr-24.233.190.221.myacc.net] has joined #lisp 07:57:26 parcs [~patrick@ool-45741d7d.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 07:57:26 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@crlspr-24.233.190.221.myacc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:57:26 -!- parcs [~patrick@ool-45741d7d.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:57:27 The whole point of a DCC send to that address & port is to be malicious 07:57:45 sykopomp [~sykopomp@crlspr-24.233.190.221.myacc.net] has joined #lisp 07:57:56 nah he explained it to me, he's exploiting a vuln in some old routers that will disconnect u. if u dont disconnect you're not susceptible... but its fucking annoying thats for sure... espcially given that my client can't ignore the popup 07:58:01 Joreji: yes, I'm getting that 07:58:02 Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has joined #lisp 07:58:03 Adrinael: but this guy doesn't strike me as capable of actually having something listening on the other end 07:58:20 oh that one 07:58:38 oh, that's why sykopomp disconnects, lol 07:58:41 http://nullroute.eu.org/~grawity/startkeylogger.html 07:58:43 nikodemus: he continues to do that.. 07:59:30 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@crlspr-24.233.190.221.myacc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:59:53 parcs [~patrick@ool-45741d7d.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 07:59:54 it may be better to report to an ircop 07:59:57 sykopomp [~sykopomp@crlspr-24.233.190.221.myacc.net] has joined #lisp 08:00:01 Doing that 08:00:03 keyvan: Interesting, thanks for telling us. For me the issue is resolved with a /ignore sshorm ALL 08:00:14 -!- jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@bl4-38-201.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:00:25 I don't think #lisp is a good channel for experimenting with exploits 08:00:28 set your client to ignore everything from the uid. he'll probably just change handles. 08:00:33 -!- parcs [~patrick@ool-45741d7d.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:00:33 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@crlspr-24.233.190.221.myacc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:00:47 Joreji: wouldn't do you any good if you had a vulnerable router 08:00:51 nikodemus: just +C and it goes away 08:00:52 sshorm: If you don't stop that I'll catch a plane and whip your ass, I swear to God I will. 08:00:58 do it 08:01:00 im using Pidgin ...... it cant ignore him 08:01:02 sykopomp [~sykopomp@crlspr-24.233.190.221.myacc.net] has joined #lisp 08:01:03 parcs [~patrick@ool-45741d7d.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 08:01:03 pabst [~anonymous@76.14.65.25] has joined #lisp 08:01:11 sshorm: we want you to go away instead 08:01:12 brill_: if you're motivated, contact his university's tech guys 08:01:14 now that's the wrong tool for irc. 08:01:14 removes focus from my god damn mouse and keyboard too 08:01:19 Ralith: Turns out I don't have one, it seems :-) 08:01:27 that's terrorism! 08:01:30 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 08:01:39 brill_: nothing like having access shut down to shake some sense in 08:01:50 everyone mass-DCC him 08:01:52 :D 08:01:57 lol 08:02:03 take this new text file.txt 08:02:07 man, it's like efnet dejavu 08:02:08 and another! 08:02:09 and another! 08:02:10 -!- parcs [~patrick@ool-45741d7d.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:02:11 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@crlspr-24.233.190.221.myacc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:02:35 sshorm: Some kind of game to you? 08:02:38 parcs [~patrick@ool-45741d7d.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 08:02:40 sykopomp [~sykopomp@crlspr-24.233.190.221.myacc.net] has joined #lisp 08:02:48 -!- Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:02:48 yes 08:03:01 sshorm: well just gtfo please. do that in #clojure or something. 08:03:13 kanru: irssi moves all dcc requests to a different window 08:03:15 sshorm: Nice. Another idiot with a keyboard. 08:03:17 it doesn't bother me 08:03:44 sshorm: Yes, you're invulnerable right? 08:03:59 varjag [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has joined #lisp 08:04:07 brill_: yes 08:04:13 *stassats* suggests to stop discussing this 08:04:21 -!- parcs [~patrick@ool-45741d7d.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:04:21 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@crlspr-24.233.190.221.myacc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:04:33 feeding trolls etc. 08:04:38 -!- kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:04:54 parcs [~patrick@ool-45741d7d.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 08:04:54 sykopomp [~sykopomp@crlspr-24.233.190.221.myacc.net] has joined #lisp 08:04:58 stassats: You're right. 08:05:11 -!- parcs [~patrick@ool-45741d7d.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:05:11 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@crlspr-24.233.190.221.myacc.net] has quit [Read error: 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on it 08:08:57 -!- zomgbie [~jesus@85-127-218-148.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:09:08 http://pastie.org/pastes/1605280 08:09:13 he's been at it awhile. 08:10:28 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:10:46 keyvan: i banned him from #lisp, which of course doesn't quite solve the problem, but #freenode staff is also now aware of him 08:11:30 (well, to be honest, i banned the entire dhcp.muohio.edu, but i didn't want him coming back immediately) 08:11:50 that's almost certainly a hacked shell. 08:11:54 -!- Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:12:06 twunts like that are one of the reasons efnet died. :P 08:12:22 Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has joined #lisp 08:12:30 where 'died' == SVO 'useless' 08:12:51 i dont understand though..... why hed be so kind as to EXPLAIN to me what he was doing? 08:13:14 its pretty incriminating to say the least. we dont really... do that on freenode. 08:13:29 there are trolls in any large irc network. 08:13:36 and i doubt its a shell. he probably goes to that school. 08:13:48 found an "exploit" on milw0rm or something :p 08:15:10 convo in case anyone wants it: http://pastie.org/1605365 08:15:14 there's nothing to be excited about, let's return to Lisp 08:16:36 -!- ChanServ has set mode +o nikodemus 08:16:38 -!- nikodemus has set mode +C 08:16:45 -!- ChanServ has set mode -o nikodemus 08:16:51 -!- eugu [~Miranda@213.141.157.147] has quit [Quit: eugu] 08:17:39 ok, i also set mode +C which blocks channel-wide CTCP 08:18:22 -!- fsrt [~m@talula.plus.com] has left #lisp 08:18:24 -!- Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:18:48 Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has joined #lisp 08:21:05 ...and now they finally k-lined him :) happy ending and all 08:21:21 :) 08:23:14 zomgbie [~jesus@85-127-212-1.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #lisp 08:24:24 awesome 08:28:06 -!- 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[~tjasko@c-174-59-223-208.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:12:27 Agari [~Agari@4.Red-95-121-141.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 13:12:42 If I concatenate "PGK:" and "FOO" then intern it, I just get |"PKG:FOO"| 13:12:56 Bugger bugger bugger. 13:13:07 (intern "FOO" (find-package "PKG")) 13:13:07 Maybe it'll work anyway. 13:13:32 =( 13:13:36 -!- yakov [~yakov@109.188.180.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:13:37 Lol thanks 13:14:11 Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-223-208.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:14:19 kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 13:15:59 babilen [~babilen@unaffiliated/babilen] has joined #lisp 13:16:00 -!- babilen [~babilen@unaffiliated/babilen] has left #lisp 13:16:12 OODavo [~david@ppp121-44-75-129.lns20.syd6.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 13:17:18 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:17:31 DukePatience: try reading a book. 13:17:42 Any advice? 13:17:47 DukePatience: guessing wrong and spewing on #lisp is not a good thing to do. 13:17:55 http://gigamonkeys.com/book/ is very good. 13:18:03 Anyone know how to set up slimv? 13:19:19 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 13:19:35 finally have to beginnings of a cross platform GUI with Lisp and GTK. Sadly, Linux is with sbcl and Windows is with ccl. Would really prefer if on of those worked on BOTH platforms... 13:19:50 -!- lurker-x [~androirc@c-174-53-229-4.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:20:04 It seems to want to spawn an xterm for evaluating code. 13:20:13 -!- kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:20:16 But I haven't got an X session up so naturally that fails. 13:20:37 lurker-x [~androirc@32.144.25.97] has joined #lisp 13:21:33 hargettp_ [~hargettp@pool-71-174-131-180.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 13:21:56 -!- hargettp_ [~hargettp@pool-71-174-131-180.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 13:22:56 -!- carlocci [~nes@93.37.193.240] has quit [Quit: eventually IE will rot and die] 13:24:09 Saturnation: what's wrong with ccl on linux? 13:24:29 -!- adu [~ajr@softbank220043138128.bbtec.net] has quit [Quit: adu] 13:25:15 orivej [~orivej@212.59.114.162] has joined #lisp 13:26:55 http://mindprod.com/jgloss/phantom.html <-- interesting idea, both soft and phantom references 13:27:54 kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 13:27:54 Saturnation: http://clgtk2.wordpress.com/2010/09/16/related-project-sbcl-win32-threads/ ? 13:29:24 mathrick: i don't understand it 13:29:35 stassats`: which part? 13:29:48 -!- Joreji [~thomas@79-125.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:30:06 Phantom Reference part 13:30:08 -!- ace4016 [ace4016@adsl-32-8-91.mia.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:30:30 an example of when it might be useful would help 13:30:58 jweiss [~jweiss@cpe-069-134-009-048.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 13:31:08 yakov [~yakov@109.188.180.227] has joined #lisp 13:31:18 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:32:13 -!- neoesque [~neoesque@220-133-153-203.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 13:32:28 -!- kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:32:44 stassats`, ccl on linux is fine. ccl on linux with gtk barfs 13:32:54 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 13:33:10 well, that's what i asked, what's wrong with ccl on linux with gtk? 13:33:11 -!- yakov__ [~yakov@109.188.180.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:33:11 stassats`: http://kdgregory.com/index.php?page=java.refobj see the section "Phantom References" 13:34:09 stassats`, how much detail are you looking for? 13:34:21 Saturnation: as much as possible 13:34:47 ok, just trying to display a window dies when ccl tries to call out to gtk land 13:34:48 what do you do, what do you expect, and what do you get 13:34:55 specific error message comming 13:35:09 paste the code and the errors to lisppaste 13:35:28 thanks 13:36:40 just checking if the demo causes a spew (would be very surprised if it didn't) 13:37:04 yep, gtk-demo:demo dies as well 13:37:13 just trying to do ANYTHING out to gtk kills it 13:37:41 top of the back trace is # + 503 13:37:43 are you doing this from slime? 13:37:49 nope 13:37:50 cli 13:40:54 hit the submit button and nothing seems to have happened? 13:41:18 go to the main page and see it in the list 13:41:40 stassats`: though I admit I don't fully get how the phantom references work 13:42:24 -!- xan_ [~xan@167.Red-79-158-92.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:42:28 ah, so you can see it then? 13:42:44 *Saturnation* finds the lack of feedback a bit confusing, assuming that how it normally works... 13:43:13 yes, it normally works, and it normally announces it in the channel automatically 13:43:35 *Saturnation* has never seen an announcement 13:44:03 http://paste.lisp.org/display/119989 13:44:08 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:44:39 wow, Windows ccl appears to have just done something similar :( 13:45:00 -!- vieq [~vieq@metabug/vieq] has left #lisp 13:45:15 it crashes for me too 13:45:48 Gmind [~Nevermind@123.16.111.52] has joined #lisp 13:46:09 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 13:46:13 ditch gtk, use commonqt! 13:48:13 stassats`, that's something I should consider, thanks 13:48:41 -!- flip214 [~marek@unaffiliated/flip214] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:48:46 stassats`: doesn't commonqt require kdelibs? 13:48:48 -!- orivej [~orivej@212.59.114.162] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:48:54 no 13:48:55 stassats`: or was it cl-qt (a different beast?) 13:49:15 bhyde [~user@c-66-30-201-212.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:49:20 it requires kdebindings, and only smoke part of it 13:49:22 mathrick, sbcl on windows with gtk doesn't work well with save-lisp-and-die. It dies, but not so much with the saving... 13:49:35 stassats`: which  in my case requires to build the whole kdelibs 13:49:49 stassats`: which isn't something I'd like :( 13:49:51 sbcl and gtk on windows is good, just looking to distribute an app, which I probably can do with slad? 13:50:03 s/with/without 13:50:03 -!- lurker-x [~androirc@32.144.25.97] has quit [Quit: bye...] 13:50:06 you could build only smoke 13:50:07 Saturnation: Using cl-gtk2? 13:50:13 i guess i was able to do that 13:50:19 stassats`: I'll see if that's possible, thanks. 13:50:27 (i mean, doable in my case) 13:50:31 (possible certainly is) 13:50:40 antoszka, affirmative 13:50:59 Saturnation: Good to hear  how's the skinning looking in gtk in windows these days? 13:51:08 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:51:10 Saturnation: looks somewhat native or totally-out-of-place? 13:51:17 good, but I have nothing in the past to compare it too :) 13:51:35 antoszka, somewhere in between, but more native than out of place 13:51:58 looks a bit like a Java app :) 13:52:01 Saturnation: Would you mind posting a screenshot somewhere sometime :)? 13:52:08 'k 13:52:20 where's a good place to post it? 13:55:33 -!- npoektop [~npoektop@85.202.112.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:55:49 suppose I can post it on my blog... 13:58:28 juniorroy [~juniorroy@212.36.224.57] has joined #lisp 13:59:29 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 14:00:04 Ah, I know what it reminds me of... Java 1.4 programs run on Vista with the Classic look and feel. It needs to be updated to the vista lnf (or maybe I need to get the right skin...) 14:00:24 melwin [melwinqq@tmo-058-100.customers.d1-online.com] has joined #lisp 14:01:35 -!- melwin [melwinqq@tmo-058-100.customers.d1-online.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:02:38 yakov__ [~yakov@109.188.180.227] has joined #lisp 14:04:06 -!- mcsontos [~mcsontos@nat/redhat/x-hjtnobibftpkiyeq] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:04:29 kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 14:04:40 Saturnation: imgur 14:04:46 LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #lisp 14:05:08 that is, http://imgur.com/ 14:05:27 -!- yakov [~yakov@109.188.180.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:05:39 homie` [~levgue@xdsl-84-44-152-144.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 14:05:43 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:07:09 eh, /me has to go, will investigate ccl and gtk problem later, it looks interesting 14:07:23 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-146-193.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:07:57 though, i don't use cl-gtk2, but hunting bugs is always fun 14:09:29 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 14:09:48 -!- kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:10:58 Agari_ [~Agari@4.Red-95-121-141.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 14:11:08 mega1 [~user@catv4E5C915D.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #lisp 14:11:38 thanks stassats` 14:11:44 -!- Agari [~Agari@4.Red-95-121-141.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 14:11:48 -!- Agari_ is now known as Agari 14:12:13 http://www.infoq.com/articles/azul_gc_in_detail <-- this is somewhat interesting, especially in the light of the recent GC talk here 14:13:50 http://i.imgur.com/K4AJd.jpg 14:13:53 -!- Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:14:28 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:14:29 kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 14:14:44 Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has joined #lisp 14:15:39 gozoner [~ebg@ip68-6-68-92.sb.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 14:16:29 -!- yakov__ [~yakov@109.188.180.227] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:16:57 yakov [~yakov@109.188.180.227] has joined #lisp 14:18:11 -!- basimple [~basimple@112.154.21.152] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:18:19 -!- myu2 [~myu2@58x5x224x106.ap58.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:18:57 cl-gtk2 in sbcl on windows is very responsive, especially considering that I'm running windows in a VirtualBox :) 14:19:08 -!- Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:20:48 cl-gtk2 in ccl on windows is sluggish out of the box (but then maybe ccl could be optimized a bit???) 14:21:03 Mmm, the topic is getting a bit outdated abcl-wise. 14:21:48 -!- ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Quit: Quit] 14:21:50 lahwran [~lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran] has joined #lisp 14:25:04 Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has joined #lisp 14:25:45 Saturnation: my experience with CCL and SBCL on both Windows and Linux is that without any specific optimization declarations in the code SBCL faster than CCL but CCL compiles much faster. 14:25:47 Saturnation: thx 14:25:56 -!- hargettp [~hargettp@dhcp-162.mirrorimage.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:26:18 hargettp_ [~hargettp_@dhcp-162.mirrorimage.net] has joined #lisp 14:26:18 -!- brill [~brill@0x5da22faa.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1104.hrnqu2.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 14:27:12 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-77-24.lns20.bne4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:29:18 yakov__ [~yakov@109.188.180.227] has joined #lisp 14:30:31 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-223-208.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:30:34 -!- Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:31:26 Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has joined #lisp 14:32:01 -!- yakov [~yakov@109.188.180.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:32:54 dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has joined #lisp 14:33:13 Phantom_Hoover [~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486] has joined #lisp 14:33:16 Quadrescence, there? 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14:51:47 Saturnation: This will probably help: http://ccl.clozure.com/manual/chapter11.html 14:53:31 pferor [~user@unaffiliated/pferor] has joined #lisp 14:55:18 confounds [~confounds@CPE0013f7f0bd88-CM0013f7f0bd84.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 14:56:34 -!- tychoish_ is now known as tychoish 14:57:17 -!- Krystof [~csr21@csrhodes.plus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:58:03 hun [~user@91-65-90-50-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 14:58:18 Krystof [~csr21@csrhodes.plus.com] has joined #lisp 14:58:22 tsuru [~charlie@adsl-179-29-10.bna.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 15:00:43 rmarianski [~rmariansk@mail.marianski.com] has joined #lisp 15:01:31 -!- pferor [~user@unaffiliated/pferor] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:02:36 -!- Davsebamse [~das@office.ipvision.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:03:08 dlowe [~dlowe@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #lisp 15:05:10 rvirding [~chatzilla@c-8b92e255.56-4-64736c14.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 15:05:51 misza222 [~misza@91.125.122.56] has joined #lisp 15:06:28 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@41.56.22.240] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:06:40 sellout, windows 15:06:55 Saturnation: Oh  15:07:16 yeah, just noticed it too :) 15:07:29 probably just need to compile the lisp code? 15:07:45 not hardcore optimizing just yet 15:07:58 Saturnation: CCL already compiles the lisp code. 15:08:05 ouch 15:08:19 then that pretty much rules out ccl on windows for me :( 15:08:37 jtza8 [~jtza8@iburst-41-213-77-14.iburst.co.za] has joined #lisp 15:09:09 Really? What are you running? I haven't used Windows in forever, but I wasn't aware CCL was that bad on it. 15:10:13 just cl-gtk2 is sluggish 15:10:24 there is a perceptual lag 15:10:45 it's in a virtual box on a slow machine, but that's my worst case scenario machine to test things on at the moment 15:11:09 Saturnation: Ok, cl-gtk2 is something I also don't use :) And non-CL gtk2 stuff is fine? 15:11:09 *Saturnation* realizes slow is probably a relative term and not terribly helpful in that statement 15:11:17 -!- fisxoj [~fisxoj@cpe-24-59-205-231.twcny.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:11:23 benny [~benny@i577A1DBA.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 15:11:32 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@116.21.219.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:11:35 sellout, not really paying attention to anything else at the moment, so, yeah sure its fine :) 15:11:50 -!- hun [~user@91-65-90-50-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:12:07 Saturnation: Well, I mean the problem is somewhere on the lisp side of things, and you're sure it's not just GTK that's slow on that machine? 15:12:10 -!- homie` [~levgue@xdsl-84-44-152-144.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 15:12:59 milanj [~milanj_@109-92-126-160.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined #lisp 15:13:03 cesarbp [~chatzilla@189.247.17.76] has joined #lisp 15:14:07 flip214 [~marek@h081217084238.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has joined #lisp 15:14:07 -!- flip214 [~marek@h081217084238.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has quit [Changing host] 15:14:07 flip214 [~marek@unaffiliated/flip214] has joined #lisp 15:14:09 sellout, performance is definitely acceptable in sbcl 15:14:21 Ok, good comparison :) 15:14:39 Now you just need to find a profiler to use on Windows ;) 15:15:33 -!- Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:16:19 Liera__ [~Liera@113.172.69.4] has joined #lisp 15:16:39 Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has joined #lisp 15:16:45 ohih0wru [~andrei@87.226.100.170] has joined #lisp 15:17:12 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@users177.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:18:30 sellout if you run them side by side, its a _very_ noticeable difference 15:18:51 -!- Liera_ [~Liera@123.21.167.167] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:19:03 Any ideas? sb-unix:unix-write gives me *FB-BLUE* fell through ETYPECASE expression. Wanted one of (SYSTEM-AREA-POINTER (SIMPLE-ARRAY * (*))) 15:19:19 But (type-of *fb-blue*) returns (SIMPLE-ARRAY (UNSIGNED-BYTE 8) (4)) 15:19:24 What's wrong here? 15:19:28 *fb-blue* is a symbol 15:19:40 is that the result of macroexpansion? 15:19:47 in that case check a trailing QUOTE 15:20:13 no, there's a (aref #(*fb-black* *fb-blue*) index) 15:20:20 well there you go 15:20:24 does #() quote? 15:20:28 yeah 15:20:32 ok .... 15:20:33 use VECTOR 15:20:44 or `#(,... 15:21:16 corman lisp is looking attractive at the moment 15:21:18 fine, thank you 15:22:05 homie [~levgue@xdsl-84-44-152-144.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 15:23:41 -!- aerique [euqirea@xs3.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: ...] 15:24:06 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:25:05 srolls [~user@c-76-126-212-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:25:13 eli [~eli@winooski.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #lisp 15:25:19 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.215.146] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 15:25:43 kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.215.146] has joined #lisp 15:26:36 Saturnation: I hear LW's GUI/app delivery options are pretty nice on Windows. :) 15:27:14 sykopomp: from what I hear, LW is the king of delivery... 15:27:58 mathrick [~mathrick@users177.kollegienet.dk] has joined #lisp 15:28:11 sykopomp, and probably a bit more expensive? :) 15:28:57 -!- timjstewart [~tims@159.182.183.6] has left #lisp 15:29:38 -!- flip214 [~marek@unaffiliated/flip214] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:29:41 Saturnation: Probably not as expensive as Allegro? 15:29:52 Saturnation: ~116 EUR/month with free upgrade for a year isn't that expensive, and it's royalty-free 15:30:06 -!- bhyde [~user@c-66-30-201-212.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:31:04 p_l|backup: in fact (confirm this with LW) the free upgrade is for ever if you pay for maintenance 15:31:23 *tfb* is saving up but gets distracted by the shiny 15:32:22 -!- lacedaemon [59ca9312@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.202.147.18] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:32:36 -!- xan_ [~xan@47.57.21.95.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:33:16 -!- varjag [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 15:33:33 xan_ [~xan@244.56.21.95.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 15:34:06 Is Allegro really *that* good? 15:34:52 Phantom_Hoover: I suspect it depends on what features you want 15:34:54 Phantom_Hoover: they're both good 15:35:11 Well, LW too. 15:35:34 I mean, the general concept of paying for a language implementation is one entirely foreign to me. 15:35:45 -!- e-user [~akahl@nat/nokia/x-pnhskekyukmbdblx] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:35:48 *sykopomp* just learned that you can use NIL in LOOP's list-destructuring to prevent binding. 15:35:49 also, you spend money, so you're less likely to complain about people not implementing the features you need for free 15:35:51 -!- drdo [~user@91.205.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:36:02 LW IMHO has the best (at a glance) features regarding application delivery and multiprocessing, Allegro seems to have a nice set of libraries and good FFI 15:36:12 (higher-0level FFI that is) 15:36:20 *-level 15:36:44 CFFI FTW BBQ. 15:36:52 Before Leor Zolman's BDS C compiler for the Z80, back in the late seventies, you could expect to pay a RUNTIME license for a development system 15:37:17 Something the database vendors still do, hence their profitability 15:37:44 luis: except that Allegro gives you a very nice set of functionality for interfacing easily with C++ or COM, for example 15:38:41 luis: I started some work towards better, CFFI-enabled C++ bindings but health got priority 15:39:10 -!- tty234 [telex@gateway/shell/anapnea.net/x-jxfnwfphsgfphxmu] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:40:04 morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f7540eb.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 15:40:19 jesusito [~user@220.pool85-49-234.dynamic.orange.es] has joined #lisp 15:40:30 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 15:41:25 Bronsa [~brace@host158-189-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 15:42:46 pers [~user@152.sub-75-198-241.myvzw.com] has joined #lisp 15:45:47 -!- tfb [~tfb@92.41.38.94.sub.mbb.three.co.uk] has quit [Quit: gone] 15:46:12 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 15:46:47 p_l|backup: there are some CFFI-using COM bindings around, IIRC. 15:47:14 -!- Phantom_Hoover [~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486] has left #lisp 15:47:14 billstclair: actually, before MS BASIC, developement tools were considered standard equipement of a computer 15:47:16 p_l|backup: didn't know about C++ interfacing 15:47:28 luis: they are rather low-level afaik 15:47:31 mvillene1ve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 15:47:57 p_l|backup, true, RT-11 came with a nice assembler and a Fortran compiler 15:48:10 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Disconnected by services] 15:48:15 But you had to pay for a C compiler 15:48:17 -!- mvillene1ve is now known as mvilleneuve 15:48:20 flip214 [~marek@h081217084238.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has joined #lisp 15:48:21 -!- flip214 [~marek@h081217084238.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has quit [Changing host] 15:48:21 flip214 [~marek@unaffiliated/flip214] has joined #lisp 15:48:27 in Allegro, 99% of the time you point it at .tlb file and get generated CLOS interface, or so I heard. 15:48:44 -!- stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 15:48:44 Unless you bought Unix for your PDP-11, that is 15:49:03 -!- flip214 [~marek@unaffiliated/flip214] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:49:47 flip214 [~marek@h081217084238.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has joined #lisp 15:49:47 -!- flip214 [~marek@h081217084238.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has quit [Changing host] 15:49:47 flip214 [~marek@unaffiliated/flip214] has joined #lisp 15:50:07 drdo [~user@91.205.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lisp 15:50:15 basimple [~basimple@112.154.21.152] has joined #lisp 15:51:13 *billstclair* 's first home computer was an LSI-11/23 running RT-11. Wrote a scheme interpreter for it 15:51:21 In Macro-11 15:51:44 -!- cfy [~cfy@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:52:02 *dlowe* 's first home computer was a C=64 running MS BASIC 15:52:27 I got a lisp for it but it was terrible and turned me off the language for twenty years :/ 15:52:44 -!- flip214 [~marek@unaffiliated/flip214] has quit [Client Quit] 15:52:55 A nice machine for learning assembler, though 15:54:15 I wrote a 24-bit software virtual memory for it, too. Did about half of a Scheme interpreter on top of that. It turned a 32-bit fetch from 1 microsecond memory into about 10 microseconds. 15:55:17 Mask, read from page table, load, trap if swapped out 15:56:04 Wood was a later implementation of software virtual memory. Nowadays, we have memory-mapped files for that 15:56:05 maybe seeking cross platform GUI is too much of a hurdle at the moment. Perhaps I'll just focus on Windows... 15:56:31 jwise [~user@173-14-157-193-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 15:58:45 Saturnation: cross platform GUIs pretty much always look like crap anyway because of different user interface conventions. 15:58:48 -!- gz` [gz@clozure-93943513.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Ping timeout] 15:59:10 Saturnation: Better to make a separation between backend and interface and then code your interfaces seperately 15:59:13 *tcr* envisions interlisp-style ide where C-k on a defmethod would also remove the accompanying method form the gf 15:59:26 -!- gz` [~gz@209-6-40-245.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:59:30 dlowe, totally agree and was headed in that direction :) 16:00:24 -!- milanj [~milanj_@109-92-126-160.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:00:25 was hoping that GTK would be a good starting point, but need to focus on the one platform to begin with keeping in mind the desire for separation from logic and view 16:01:18 -!- Dranik [~dim@86.57.253.61] has quit [Quit:     (xchat 2.4.5  )] 16:01:31 Saturnation: When I've done cross platform development, I've started with a gui client and a text client 16:02:09 dlowe, when I've done cross platform development, it was in Java 16:02:13 Saturnation: there's enough difference between them to make sure the needed hooks are in the proper place, and a console client is very easy 16:02:23 dlowe, nice point, thnaks 16:02:42 -!- basimple [~basimple@112.154.21.152] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:02:43 heh. Java delivers a lot less than it promises 16:02:46 tcr: Factor does that just with its file-loading mechanism. 16:03:30 s/client/frontend/ 16:03:57 considering that I worked on a cross platform HTML WYSIWYG editor, I'd say it's not _too_ bad 16:04:11 easier than what I've done in Lisp *thus far* :) 16:04:22 adu [~ajr@softbank220043139062.bbtec.net] has joined #lisp 16:04:49 -!- tvaalen_ [~r@67.217.170.35] has quit [Changing host] 16:04:50 tvaalen_ [~r@unaffiliated/tvaal] has joined #lisp 16:04:58 -!- tvaalen_ is now known as tvaalen 16:05:11 milanj [~milanj_@79-101-220-88.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined #lisp 16:05:55 but I wouldn't be putting in as much effort as I have been if I actually thought Java was a good *language* 16:06:40 tritchey [~tritchey@70-35-37-146.static.wiline.com] has joined #lisp 16:07:43 Saturnation: what is your favorite language? 16:07:49 I think it's okay, actually. CL is better, sure, but the language is fairly sleek. 16:07:59 I with CL had checked exceptions 16:08:01 wish 16:08:22 I wish C had parentheses 16:08:24 most people swallow checked exceptions 16:08:38 adu: you can have as many parentheses as you want in C 16:08:43 adu: just stack em on 16:08:43 kushal [~kdas@117.201.105.125] has joined #lisp 16:08:46 -!- kushal [~kdas@117.201.105.125] has quit [Changing host] 16:08:47 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 16:08:48 -!- xan_ [~xan@244.56.21.95.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:08:54 Saturnation: swallow? 16:08:54 dlowe: it's just not the same 16:08:55 adu, don't know that I have a favorite, but I think at this point in time, I'd prefer to code in an expressive language, like CL 16:09:33 the most expressive language I know of is Oz 16:09:45 try{ // do useful stuff } catch(Exception e) { // do absolutely nothing (a.k.a swallowing)} 16:09:59 xan_ [~xan@186.57.21.95.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 16:10:15 well, that's just an abuse of exceptions 16:10:26 worse yet is throwing the exception and then swallowing it later 16:10:38 that's just someone thinking that exceptions are noise 16:10:51 nice: (defdef (def* def) ...) 16:11:05 buffalo. 16:12:10 *Saturnation* considers just giving up for the day and watching some basketball... 16:12:14 dlowe: unfortunately, one essentially encouraged by Java, which requires you to declare any exceptions your method might be throwing 16:12:42 udzinari [~user@nat/ibm/x-btbogttfzfhflirm] has joined #lisp 16:14:08 rsynnott: you can have unchecked exceptions, as well 16:14:21 and there's a subtle flaw in Java's exceptions too 16:14:47 *Saturnation* should probably remember what it is now that he has said it, but he'd have to look at the class hierarchy to say for certain... 16:14:49 but I think all in all, it's incredibly useful to track which exceptions you might have to expect from any given function 16:15:09 I usually put them in docstrings in CL, but it'd be nice to have the compiler help me 16:16:21 -!- mgindulescu [~mircea@nat/nokia/x-egqltbhurqmohnox] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:16:44 dlowe, some of the really smart experienced Java developers I know think that all exceptions in the language should be unchecked :) 16:17:15 and tend two rap up checked exceptions in unchecked exceptions 16:17:19 I think it should be on a per-method basis instead of making it part of the class hierarchy 16:17:45 isn't that they say as throwing or handling? 16:17:57 s/say/same 16:18:03 So a checked method generates a compiler error if it could throw a non-declared exception 16:18:13 an unchecked method makes no guarantees 16:18:58 in CL, you could have a (throws type-error file-error) as part of the definition 16:19:04 er, declaration 16:19:15 tronador_ [~guille@190.145.89.146] has joined #lisp 16:19:15 pevaneyn [~pevaneyn@77.109.100.142] has joined #lisp 16:19:25 sounds right. If your method contains a call to a method that declares the throwing of a checked exception that isn't caught or declared as thrown, then the compiler complains 16:20:03 unchecked exceptions, if not caught, bring the runtime to its knees :) 16:20:16 well, in CL it just throws you into the debugger 16:21:42 which you can recover from, there's nothing to save you if the exception percolates all the way to the top in the JVM 16:22:01 wonder if I should make this a CDR 16:22:07 all languages have their flaws, I just know Java's better than any others :) 16:22:49 tritchey_ [~tritchey@70-35-37-146.static.wiline.com] has joined #lisp 16:22:52 In the end, check exceptions seem like a good idea, but they just add to the noise/boiler plating that the language requires 16:22:54 -!- tritchey [~tritchey@70-35-37-146.static.wiline.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:22:54 -!- tritchey_ is now known as tritchey 16:23:02 at least in a language like Java 16:23:13 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 16:23:15 *Saturnation* is trying to get away from boiler plate code 16:25:42 moah [~gnu@dslb-094-220-126-129.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 16:25:56 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-84-44-152-144.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 16:26:40 Runtime exceptions (unchecked) are a subclass or Exceptions (checked). Somewhere along the line, that causes an issue, from memory 16:26:55 -!- MoALTz [~no@92.9.79.177] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:28:31 -!- gozoner [~ebg@ip68-6-68-92.sb.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 16:29:22 Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-223-208.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:29:22 -!- pers [~user@152.sub-75-198-241.myvzw.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:30:44 corruptmemory [~jim@96.246.167.18] has joined #lisp 16:31:42 pers [~user@152.sub-75-198-241.myvzw.com] has joined #lisp 16:31:45 -!- lurker-x [~androirc@32.144.25.97] has quit [Quit: bye...] 16:32:13 -!- jdz [~jdz@193.206.22.97] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:34:51 wow, 1500USD for LW professional edition 16:36:17 ouch, that's almost three sales of my product! 16:36:30 It's quite cheap. 16:36:43 -!- pevaneyn [~pevaneyn@77.109.100.142] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:36:50 I prefer to calculate it as amortized cost over a period of time 16:36:51 *Xach* uses sbcl to improve margins 16:37:34 *stassats* refuses to use something less than "Elite edition" 16:38:07 jiop [~user@188-22-101-192.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #lisp 16:38:16 jhemono [~jhemono@79.240-225-89.dsl.completel.net] has joined #lisp 16:38:56 cheap is relative, but I'd hope it was valuable 16:39:09 Xach, What is your product? 16:39:15 http://wigflip.com/roflbot/ 16:40:15 roflbot is 500??? 16:40:31 More than that. 16:40:37 crap 16:40:38 -!- Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:40:44 err, cool even :) 16:41:01 business dollars work on a larger scale than individual dollars :) 16:41:12 Xach: just curious, who would buy that? 16:41:15 i'll write my own and will sell it for 400$! 16:41:32 stassats, You probably won't have his goodwill? :) 16:41:36 Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has joined #lisp 16:41:49 easier said than done 16:42:01 -!- drdo [~user@91.205.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:42:05 My pockets are shallow and that looks big at the moment to me... :( 16:42:14 Saturnation: people who want to be the next Cheezburger site 16:42:49 *Xach* narrowly missed providing the software behind the actual Cheezburger site 16:42:59 -!- trebor_dki [~user@mail.dki.tu-darmstadt.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:43:27 Cyrillic support everywhere will be my selling point! 16:43:52 gozoner [~ebg@64.134.236.202] has joined #lisp 16:44:14 it already supports cyrillic, I think. 16:44:25 not in all fonts 16:45:30 or Thai 16:45:30 who speaks cyrillish, anyway? 16:45:59 *p_l|backup* recently read jwz's text about "how will this software get my users laid", and got interested in the idea of calendar/event/invite program there 16:47:52 ok, instead of motivators i'll make it generate valentine cards, that should get someone laid 16:48:00 haha 16:50:25 stassats: recently I found two applications related to something like that - one was a "virtual boyfriend" that would send love notes etc. and another was (more interesting) and app to help one keep track of important dates, events, and influx of new ideas to take care of significant other 16:51:52 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 16:52:13 -!- nha [~prefect@imamac13.epfl.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:52:13 MoALTz [~no@92.9.79.177] has joined #lisp 16:52:32 -!- udzinari [~user@nat/ibm/x-btbogttfzfhflirm] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:53:12 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181199216.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:53:53 -!- jiop [~user@188-22-101-192.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:55:09 nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181199216.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 16:55:28 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@iburst-41-213-77-14.iburst.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:57:41 jtza8 [~jtza8@41.56.50.88] has joined #lisp 16:59:56 holy bitrot batman... 17:00:36 urandom__ [~user@p548A77C4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 17:00:37 Xach: I'm working on an smarkup that isn't such a god-awful mess and has fewer (and less bogus) dependencies 17:00:45 perhaps one day it will be quicklisp-ready 17:01:29 slash_ [~unknown@pD955FC0B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 17:02:04 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 17:02:12 jewel [~jewel@196-215-117-46.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 17:04:16 ehu [~ehuels@194.48.133.8] has joined #lisp 17:04:56 -!- xan_ [~xan@186.57.21.95.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:05:23 -!- kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:05:50 varjag [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has joined #lisp 17:06:59 -!- Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:07:40 Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has joined #lisp 17:08:36 -!- emporas [~emporas@athedsl-169740.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:10:38 -!- simplechat [~simplecha@unaffiliated/simplechat] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:11:48 -!- Odin- [~sbkhh@adsl-2-92.du.snerpa.is] has quit [Quit: Booo.] 17:12:52 p_l|backup: say, that c++ interfacing is something that supports multiple inheritance, casts, exceptions, et al, right? i don't think Allegro has that out of the box, but i may be wrong 17:13:43 -!- slash_ [~unknown@pD955FC0B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:14:25 myu2 [~myu2@x108121.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has joined #lisp 17:18:04 -!- yvdriess [~Beef@soft85.vub.ac.be] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:22:57 Amadiro [~Amadiro@ti0021a380-dhcp2364.bb.online.no] has joined #lisp 17:23:53 -!- gemelen [~shelta@shpd-92-101-143-30.vologda.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:26:12 -!- Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:26:50 Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has joined #lisp 17:28:26 emporas [~emporas@athedsl-173714.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 17:30:53 pmd: not everything, but it has working CLOS interface hat is definitely less brittle than SWIG 17:34:43 -!- tychoish [~tychoish@foucault.cyborginstitute.net] has quit [Quit: Changing server] 17:34:53 -!- rvirding [~chatzilla@c-8b92e255.56-4-64736c14.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.13/20101203074432]] 17:35:04 BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has joined #lisp 17:35:31 tychoish [~tychoish@foucault.cyborginstitute.net] has joined #lisp 17:36:01 p_l|backup: nice. swig always creates a C wrapper, right? 17:36:03 gz [~gz@209-6-40-245.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 17:36:19 p_l|backup: Say, can you produce a pdf file or something of the relative package name documentation from Symbolics? 17:38:12 rtoym: PDF might be problematic till I figure out how to make Document Explorer produce PostScript and save it properly 17:38:30 Hardcopy sounds like it, but I'm not sure if it will do the right thing with my setup 17:38:48 Postscript is ok too. But don't worry if it's a pain to do. 17:38:59 (yeah, it would be easier if I had a real LispM or non-hacky Genera) 17:39:27 rtoym: the system is very simple, though 17:40:59 Oh. Maybe I'm thinking about per-package nicknames or something. Hierarchical packages have relative package names too. 17:41:40 rtoym: the relative package system works fine for per-package nicknames as well 17:42:37 SegFaultAX [~SegFaultA@c-24-4-147-168.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:21:43 ccl-logbot [~ccl-logbo@setf.clozure.com] has joined #lisp 20:21:43 20:21:43 -!- names: ccl-logbot ch077179 hramrach_ cesarbp biely hargettp enthymeme pers Taggnostr2 urandom__ carlocci BrianRice dkasak HET2 rvirding MoALTz xan_ jsn` Yamazaki-kun gravicappa kejsaren HG` stepnem Yuuhi Ragnaroek gz` Wolong amb007 lolsuper_ tronador_ schmrkc SpitfireWP killerboy juniorroy dstatyvka pavelludiq_ Zephyrus jesusito leo2007 EarlGray l4ndfo sabalaba krfs theBlackDragon Odin- Bronsa milkpost varjag insomniaSalt dfox gz nikodemus_ rins lnostdal m1ngus 20:21:43 -!- names: sellout zmv BlankVerse Spion__ homie dto bgs100 eugu setmeaway milanj corruptmemory araujo zakwilson gko pizzledizzle parcs Joreji Khisanth madnificent morphling ltriant nha fantazo_ Xach azaq23 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He does not visit here. 23:21:17 Hi quick question: I'm trying to port some sbcl-specific code to work with ecl too. Is there a portable implementation of posix's "stat" (or at least the file size bit)? Or does anyone know whether you can get this info on ecl? *Surely* it must be somewhere... :-) 23:21:24 nefo [~nefo@unaffiliated/nefo] has joined #lisp 23:21:55 Xach: thanks. can you help me get the sql string from one of the stack frames on the debug window? 23:21:57 rswarbrick: file-length is a standard function. 23:22:05 I'm using emacs+slime+ccl 23:22:16 rien: I don't know. 23:22:37 ok 23:22:41 Xach: Ah! Thanks :-) 23:22:42 rswarbrick: one strange (to me) feature of file-length is that it operates on a stream, not a file. 23:23:53 -!- dstatyvka [ejabberd@pepelaz.jabber.od.ua] has left #lisp 23:23:56 Xach: it counts characters, not bytes. 23:24:12 tcr [~tcr@217-162-131-235.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 23:24:41 "For a binary file, the length is measured in units of the element type of the stream." 23:24:50 pjb: What gnooth said. 23:25:13 For binary files it's even worse, since for most byte size, there may be a header or trailer stored in the file. 23:25:37 Xach: I suppose that the advantage of a stat call (if there is one) is that you don't have to read the file in. Maybe a 1gb file would get striped off the disk on a call to file-length? 23:25:39 yeah, you have to open the file in binary mode. Stat might be faster in certain cases if the underlying code decides that file-length should work by reading and counting the stream element-type sizes 23:25:45 or maybe in some kind of operating system information node or "i-node" 23:25:46 ^^ 23:25:56 rswarbrick: no, it wouldn't. 23:26:18 Oh? I guess an implementation can be clever enough to realize it's got an actual file and just look it up? 23:26:19 rswarbrick: I suspect ecl has an easy way to stat a file, I just don't know what it is. 23:26:43 osicat included CFFI binding, iirc 23:26:44 Meh, I'm talking 1kb text files in my (web) application, so it can wait until the site goes back up... 23:26:51 Thanks for the help! 23:27:43 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-77-24.lns20.bne4.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 23:28:55 -!- HG` [~HG@xdslax058.osnanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:29:37 m_h__ [~m@77-255-246-89.adsl.inetia.pl] has joined #lisp 23:30:49 Good morning/afternoon/evening 23:32:15 -!- urs_ [~urs@adsl-84-227-16-112.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 23:32:25 -!- ch077179 [~urs@adsl-84-227-16-112.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:33:42 -!- huangho [~vitor@201-34-97-20.paemt700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 23:35:20 HG` 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quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:39:50 where did minion go? 01:44:03 WarWeasle [~brad@c-98-253-6-86.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:44:14 -!- ASau [~user@93-80-218-22.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:44:46 Hello, anyone know how I can make swank connect through a socket to a remote server? 01:45:05 (You might save me a ton of time for a prototype) 01:45:16 WarWeasle: you could set up a ssh tunnel 01:45:18 WHy do you want to use swank to do that? 01:45:39 It's slime that connects to swank. Or use iolib to connect to a socket on a remote server. 01:45:45 WarWeasle: I do that all the time, works pretty well. ssh -L 4005:127.0.0.1:4005 remote-server 01:45:45 pjb: I want an application to "phone home" so I can debug it. 01:45:52 -!- dralston [~dralston@S0106687f74a12729.va.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:46:03 ok, I guess I misunderstood 01:46:07 -!- carlocci [~nes@93.37.196.84] has quit [Quit: eventually IE will rot and die] 01:46:15 WarWeasle: you could use drakma to post data somewhere. 01:46:20 dralston [~dralston@S0106687f74a12729.va.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 01:46:40 WarWeasle: I usually run an emacs on the same box, next to the deployed app, so I can debug there (: 01:46:43 WarWeasle: let your application send you an email, and you will connect to it with slime when you are ready to debug it. 01:46:54 Xach: hmmm... That might work but my app may be behind a firewall... 01:47:08 -!- Joreji [~thomas@79-125.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:47:41 I was hoping to wow a customer by having a "connect to tech support option"... 01:48:18 ASau [~user@93-80-218-22.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 01:48:20 I'm sure someone has done this. I'm not that clever. 01:48:48 WarWeasle: I believe segv (marco baringer) did 01:48:54 he was bragging about it a while ago (-: 01:48:55 WarWeasle: provide them an easy way to log faults and actually know how to log them, and respond timely 01:49:11 will be more appreciated than something they might view as attack on their privacy 01:49:19 -!- dralston [~dralston@S0106687f74a12729.va.shawcable.net] has quit [Client Quit] 01:49:49 p_l|backup: That's why I want them to connect to my server, not just run it on their machine... 01:50:09 antifuchs: Where might I find this lisp-master? 01:50:25 kramer3d [~kramer@residents-NATted-129-174-190-101.residents.gmu.edu] has joined #lisp 01:50:25 -!- kramer3d [~kramer@residents-NATted-129-174-190-101.residents.gmu.edu] has quit [Changing host] 01:50:25 kramer3d [~kramer@unaffiliated/kramer3d] has joined #lisp 01:50:33 WarWeasle: http://www.bese.it/ 01:50:34 (-: 01:50:55 WarWeasle: for that, usedrakma 01:51:25 don't make a reverse swank connection, unless you get a permit from the client 01:51:25 -!- milkpost [~milkpost@173-30-221-186.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 01:51:31 slyrus [~chatzilla@198.202.202.21] has joined #lisp 01:51:42 WarWeasle: so if you're not running emacs, these application will launch one on your computer and start slime right? 01:51:48 p_l|backup: Exactly. I want the GUI to give them the option. 01:52:26 pjb: No, I want to use lisp for some consulting. Having built-in real-time tech support would be a huge advantage. 01:52:31 And if your computer is down, they'll do WoL to wake it up. 01:52:47 -!- m1ngus [~nmajo@mi061032.klientdrift.uib.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:52:59 WarWeasle: yes, but you have a silly idea on how it should be done. 01:53:03 pjb: Oh, sorry I misunderstood. 01:53:44 pjb: I was going to have a known server somewhere. 01:54:05 What's wrong with SMTP? 01:54:21 pjb: filtered by damn many places 01:54:46 these days "internet" access from ISP might come with firewall locking out port 25 01:55:13 p_l|backup: I can always make my server port 80. 01:55:14 p_l|backup: All the final customers I worked for the last three years were just not connected to the Internet. 01:55:29 zmv [~daniel@c934a9f5.virtua.com.br] has joined #lisp 01:55:45 CLX doesn't work with SBCL 1.0.46 yet? 01:55:55 They may provide data to the Internet, but the applications are running on private networks that don't even have DNS... 01:56:17 zmv: works for me. what prompts the question? 01:56:41 Xach: I can't use it with quicklis. 01:56:48 s/s/sp/ 01:56:59 zmv: I used it earlier today. 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02:52:49 true 02:52:58 however,setf has its place 02:53:31 something that even haskell has, btw, though they made it clearly encapsulated 02:54:20 any particular benefits of avoiding assignment statements? it would be strictly a style thing right? 02:55:08 as opposed to performance? 02:55:52 There's no performance penalty for using SETF or not using using SETF 02:56:54 i see, thank you 02:57:10 nuty: SETF has many uses beyond setting variables. 02:57:34 housel: debatable. 02:59:31 brodo_ [~brodo@p5B022AB7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 03:01:00 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 03:01:26 -!- brodo [~brodo@p5B0246E2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:01:26 -!- brodo_ is now known as brodo 03:01:39 -!- OODavo [~david@ppp121-44-75-129.lns20.syd6.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Kernel upgrade.] 03:07:50 -!- dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:08:28 enthymeme 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240 seconds] 08:41:43 gemelen [~shelta@shpd-92-101-144-91.vologda.ru] has joined #lisp 08:45:02 Mango-chan [~derp@unaffiliated/mango-chan] has joined #lisp 08:45:04 hello 08:45:07 Say you have a string '(lambda (x) (* x x)), how would you go about converting that into an actual STK lambda expression? 08:45:07 For example '(* x x) will always be a "string," so how would you go about converting that into part of a procedure that one would manually enter into emacs? 08:45:08 A lambda expression can't take a variable as its body, right? For example: (lambda (x) (bodyvar)), with bodyvar = '(* x x) wouldn't work, I presume. 08:47:01 -!- pnq [~nick@ACA2A6D1.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:48:47 NVCM 08:50:33 -!- slash_ [~unknown@pD955D83C.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #lisp 08:51:57 alama [~alama@193.196.30.10] has joined #lisp 08:52:46 -!- Mango-chan [~derp@unaffiliated/mango-chan] has left #lisp 08:54:13 insomnia1alt [~milan@port-92-204-54-243.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 08:54:41 Liera` [~user@123.20.55.19] has joined #lisp 08:55:15 Areil` [~Areil@123.20.55.19] has joined #lisp 08:55:25 morning 08:57:15 -!- insomniaSalt [~milan@port-92-204-82-133.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:57:15 -!- insomnia1alt is now known as insomniaSalt 08:57:23 -!- tronador_ [~guille@190.253.157.72] has quit [Quit: tronador_] 08:57:27 -!- Areil [~Areil@123.20.62.19] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:57:36 -!- alama [~alama@193.196.30.10] has quit [Quit: alama] 08:57:48 -!- Liera [~user@123.20.62.19] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:58:14 -!- Liera` is now known as Liera 08:58:40 alama [~alama@193.196.30.10] has joined #lisp 08:58:47 -!- krfs [~jonata@189-16-43-233.cte.net.br] has quit [Quit: Saindo] 09:03:55 where the hell do these people get the idea that quoted lists are strings anyway 09:04:08 Because of the quote I guess. 09:04:16 there's only one of it! 09:04:57 You'd be amazed. http://xkcd.com/859/ 09:05:52 *Ralith* twitch 09:07:25 -!- alama [~alama@193.196.30.10] has quit [Quit: alama] 09:07:47 -!- Vicfred [~Vicfred@189.228.11.197] has quit [Quit: ] 09:09:20 -!- Areil` is now known as Areil 09:10:52 basho__ [~basho__@dslb-188-108-149-091.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 09:14:12 H4ns`` [~user@p579F87CC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 09:14:15 -!- ZabaQ [~Zaba@135.114-84-212.staticip.namesco.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:14:49 Areil` [~Areil@123.20.28.120] has joined #lisp 09:15:15 alama [~alama@193.196.30.10] has joined #lisp 09:15:21 morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f7575b3.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 09:15:30 Liera` [~user@123.20.28.120] has joined #lisp 09:16:12 ZabaQ [~Zaba@135.114-84-212.staticip.namesco.net] has joined #lisp 09:16:47 -!- Areil [~Areil@123.20.55.19] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:16:57 -!- Liera [~user@123.20.55.19] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:18:09 -!- H4ns` [~user@p579F87F0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:20:25 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181199216.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:23:58 -!- Adlai` is now known as Adlai 09:24:44 DukePatience [~LordPatie@CPE-60-229-7-22.lns3.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #lisp 09:25:36 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-99-183-243-127.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:27:49 -!- Rukowen [~Rukowen@222.253.85.91] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:31:09 plage [~user@123.28.62.25] has joined #lisp 09:31:20 Good afternoon everyone! 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I know I can use (format t "~3d" 1) to print number with spaces at the beginning. Can I use something similar to print strings? I'd like to get: " b" " ab" "abc". 10:19:09 (format t "~3x" #xa) (format t "~3x" #xab) 10:21:09 thanks, but what is #x ? How can I convert "a" into #xa ? 10:21:15 DukePatience [~LordPatie@CPE-121-216-160-184.lnse2.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #lisp 10:21:18 mrSpec: http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/22_cda.htm 10:21:22 that might help you. 10:21:27 that was a joke, sorry 10:21:35 -!- Buganini [~buganini@security-hole.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:21:45 stassats: ah :) 10:22:09 zfx: o, thanks 10:23:00 nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181199216.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 10:23:13 (format t "~3@a" "ab") ; not a joke, i promise 10:23:42 ahh ~3@a, I was trying ~3a. Thanks stassats :) 10:24:06 BTW do you write ~A or ~a ? 10:24:29 _I_ write ~a (as you can see) 10:26:09 mrSpec: the CLHS page mentions the @ modifier! 10:27:50 zfx: now I see this, but then I had missed this :( 10:28:52 jayne [~jayne@freenode/staff/jayne] has joined #lisp 10:31:04 milanj [~milanj_@109-93-62-247.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined #lisp 10:32:56 -!- emporas [~emporas@athedsl-173714.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:33:18 -!- Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:33:24 alama [~alama@193.196.30.10] has joined #lisp 10:33:54 Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has joined #lisp 10:36:41 -!- l4ndfo [~l4ndfo@S0106001cf0520ea3.ed.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:38:50 leo2007 [~leo@59.57.97.48] has joined #lisp 10:40:14 -!- zac314159 [~user@c-68-84-149-234.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has left #lisp 10:42:19 -!- setmeaway [~setmeaway@118.45.149.204] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:42:34 setmeaway [~setmeaway@118.45.149.204] has joined #lisp 10:50:48 -!- drewc [~user@S01060013101b6ddb.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:54:51 adu [~ajr@softbank220043138128.bbtec.net] has joined #lisp 11:01:15 -!- udzinari [~user@209.158.broadband13.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:01:16 BrandLeeJones [~BrandLeeJ@88.116.134.106] has joined #lisp 11:09:46 mrSpec: ~D doesn't mean number; ~A doesn't mean string. ~D means Droite (right), and ~A means gAuche (left). (format t "~3A ~:* ~3D~%" "ab") 11:11:47 Mathieu [~mathieule@cm187.epsilon164.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #lisp 11:14:37 jesusito [~user@163.pool85-49-250.dynamic.orange.es] has joined #lisp 11:26:35 -!- myu2 [~myu2@x108121.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:36:06 Xach [~xach@pdpc/supporter/professional/xach] has joined #lisp 11:36:13 -!- chemuduguntar [~ravi@118-92-4-131.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:37:50 brodo [~brodo@p5B022AB7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 11:42:47 jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@bl14-67-159.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 11:43:35 -!- alama [~alama@193.196.30.10] has quit [Quit: alama] 11:46:30 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-141-166-26.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:47:42 Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has joined #lisp 11:50:08 Is there an ircd implementation in CL that one would recommend? 11:52:26 fantazo_ [~fantazo@178-190-233-144.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #lisp 11:52:27 -!- c|mell [~cmell@188-220-238-74.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:55:47 easyE: I haven't heard of such a thing. 11:56:18 -!- fantazo__ [~fantazo@178-191-170-231.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:56:54 dkasak [~dkasak@78-1-162-71.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 11:57:12 THere's http://lisp-irc-server.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/lisp-irc-server 11:57:27 But it's in the "I really should audit this" class of software. 11:58:12 Does CL have a 'twisted' equivalent? i.e. something "on top of" b-t to quickly create IP servers? 11:58:13 simplechat [~simplecha@unaffiliated/simplechat] has joined #lisp 11:59:29 -!- Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:59:54 clog [nef@bespin.org] has joined #lisp 11:59:59 easyE: I think iolib aims to do that, not sure to what degree it does 12:00:37 It would explain Stellian's interest in b-t. 12:01:37 -!- eugu [~Miranda@213.141.157.147] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:01:55 -!- gemelen [~shelta@shpd-92-101-144-91.vologda.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:01:55 Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has joined #lisp 12:01:58 easyE: http://www.cliki.net/networking 12:03:39 pjb: thanks. 12:03:49 *easyE* digests the links. 12:04:36 I would bet that IOlib would *really* like to be running on a BSD kernel. 12:04:58 Or is kqueue(2) in Linux these days? 12:05:22 Gmind [~Gmind@123.16.96.135] has joined #lisp 12:05:56 easyE: It would like epoll, perhaps. 12:07:27 -!- Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:09:41 hi 12:09:56 gemelen [~shelta@shpd-92-101-144-91.vologda.ru] has joined #lisp 12:10:06 how can I set geiser in emacs for sbcl ? 12:11:17 myu2 [~myu2@x108121.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has joined #lisp 12:11:47 Gmind: by configuring slime and using that instead. 12:12:38 -!- jesusito [~user@163.pool85-49-250.dynamic.orange.es] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:13:19 so geiser is used only for SCheme ? 12:13:26 ifaria [~user@2001:250:4001:143:222:68ff:fe76:88e4] has joined #lisp 12:13:29 pjb 12:13:35 It seems so. 12:13:40 :P thank yo 12:13:46 Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has joined #lisp 12:13:57 it has been a long time I don't jump into all this mess 12:14:46 -!- myu2 [~myu2@x108121.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:15:06 bless this mess 12:15:59 -!- ifaria [~user@2001:250:4001:143:222:68ff:fe76:88e4] has left #lisp 12:16:09 There has been a swank backend for at least one scheme implementation. So slime can be used with scheme too. But the problem is that schemes are less compatible, so each one of them needs a specific interface. 12:16:24 I assume geiser will have the same problem. 12:18:13 good thing swank doesn't need a specific interface for each CL! 12:20:23 pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159852.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has joined #lisp 12:26:28 -!- pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159852.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:27:23 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-141-166-26.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 12:31:31 wow, i'm grumpy today 12:31:37 pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159852.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has joined #lisp 12:33:15 tricus [~tricus@jesus.roamr.utk.edu] has joined #lisp 12:35:30 Sunday is a good day to be grumpy. 12:36:27 -!- pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159852.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:38:27 MoALTz [~no@92.18.25.186] has joined #lisp 12:45:37 -!- adu [~ajr@softbank220043138128.bbtec.net] has quit [Quit: adu] 12:45:51 -!- Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has quit [Quit: ""] 12:46:56 silenius [~silenus@p4FC23493.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 12:53:43 emporas [~emporas@athedsl-173714.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 12:54:09 -!- zomgbie [~jesus@85-127-168-169.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:57:24 -!- Davsebamse [~davse@gate.ipvision.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:59:54 corruptmemory [~jim@ool-18bbd5b2.static.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 13:02:44 -!- derrotebaron [~derroteba@static.7.69.47.78.clients.your-server.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:03:35 -!- dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-89-201.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:05:39 -!- _danb_ [~user@124-168-189-41.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 13:05:54 -!- DukePatience [~LordPatie@CPE-121-216-160-184.lnse2.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:05:57 *Xach* is super-excited because he is ready to roll out some useful quicklisp client updates 13:06:07 dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-89-201.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lisp 13:06:36 antgreen [~user@CPE00222d6c4710-CM00222d6c470d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 13:06:52 hargettp [~hargettp@pool-71-174-131-180.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 13:07:39 *sellout* has been practicing typing "(ql:update-client)", so it sounds like we're _all_ ready. 13:10:38 -!- tricus [~tricus@jesus.roamr.utk.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:11:46 *Xach* hopes to get "install-a-specific-dist-version" stuff going today 13:18:06 -!- zmv_ is now known as zmv 13:18:29 Joreji [~thomas@79-125.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 13:20:17 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-77-24.lns20.bne4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:20:21 Madsy [~madsy@fu/coder/madsy] has joined #lisp 13:25:26 -!- Gmind [~Gmind@123.16.96.135] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:26:31 chxane [~chxane@c-76-124-17-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:28:02 -!- homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-148-193.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 13:28:36 -!- Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:29:26 Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has joined #lisp 13:29:39 derrotebaron [~derroteba@static.7.69.47.78.clients.your-server.de] has joined #lisp 13:30:22 *JuanDaugherty* as Moe slaps the other two Stooges in one swipe. 13:31:25 *zmv* notices that we have used "/me" four times in a row. Wait, that's five. 13:32:07 -!- gemelen [~shelta@shpd-92-101-144-91.vologda.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:34:12 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-148-193.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 13:34:30 chemuduguntar [~ravi@118-92-10-59.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has joined #lisp 13:35:14 -!- derrotebaron [~derroteba@static.7.69.47.78.clients.your-server.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:36:35 *pjb* is wondering what's happening here? 13:36:45 -!- yawniek [~yannick@84-72-19-136.dclient.hispeed.ch] has left #lisp 13:37:21 -!- Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:37:24 ZabaQ [~Zaba@135.114-84-212.staticip.namesco.net] has joined #lisp 13:38:16 Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has joined #lisp 13:39:11 *zmv* is wondering too. 13:40:55 *[df]* isn't joining in this silly game 13:41:07 some kind of off-topic, i reckon 13:41:16 :o 13:41:27 Ouf! What a tension! 13:41:33 lol 13:43:24 -!- Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:43:56 Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has joined #lisp 13:44:20 Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has joined #lisp 13:44:37 -!- ZabaQ [~Zaba@135.114-84-212.staticip.namesco.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:46:16 ZabaQ [~Zaba@135.114-84-212.staticip.namesco.net] has joined #lisp 13:47:22 I'm a bit confused about the inner workings of quote. Why is it undefined behavior to change quoted expressions? 13:47:50 Madsy: because the system is allowed to treat that data as constant. 13:48:00 madsy: in many languages modifying literal data is not allowed 13:48:24 so the compiler / linker is allowed to place such data into a read-only part of the executable 13:50:01 -!- Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:51:04 And what form are quoted expressions in? It's read by the reader, so it can't be just text. Is it just unevaluated S-expressions of symbols? 13:51:05 Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has joined #lisp 13:52:06 koning_robot [~aap@50-208.ftth.onsbrabantnet.nl] has joined #lisp 13:53:36 I wish I had started with Common Lisp instead of Ada influenced languages. This is really confusing. 13:53:56 ada influenced languages? what are those? 13:54:05 vhdl! 13:56:57 stassats: C, C++, Java, C# 13:58:22 uh, ada influenced? 13:58:33 Madsy: did you mean "Algol-influenced"? 13:59:46 Uh, whops. Yep. 14:00:05 CL is very much algolish. 14:00:50 this "influenced by" thing is very vague 14:00:53 -!- Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:01:08 indeed 14:01:17 Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has joined #lisp 14:01:55 *stassats* wants a language influenced by sex, drugs and rock'n'roll 14:02:52 loke [~elias@bb219-75-125-147.singnet.com.sg] has joined #lisp 14:03:13 -!- ZabaQ [~Zaba@135.114-84-212.staticip.namesco.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:04:24 Gmind [~Gmind@113.190.167.200] has joined #lisp 14:04:24 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 14:05:21 MoALTz_ [~no@92.18.91.33] has joined #lisp 14:07:27 -!- MoALTz [~no@92.18.25.186] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:11:16 -!- silenius [~silenus@p4FC23493.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:13:10 derrotebaron [~derroteba@static.7.69.47.78.clients.your-server.de] has joined #lisp 14:16:10 pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159852.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has joined #lisp 14:22:36 ale`` [~user@109.255.54.142] has joined #lisp 14:22:41 -!- derrotebaron [~derroteba@static.7.69.47.78.clients.your-server.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:23:50 -!- ale` [~user@109.255.54.142] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:27:10 -!- MoALTz_ [~no@92.18.91.33] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:27:32 MoALTz [~no@92.18.91.33] has joined #lisp 14:27:40 ZabaQ [~Zaba@135.114-84-212.staticip.namesco.net] has joined #lisp 14:29:46 stassats: try matlab 14:29:51 dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 14:30:27 zmv_ [~daniel@c934a9f5.virtua.com.br] has joined #lisp 14:32:22 hey yo 14:32:37 I set my slime folder already 14:32:54 but Emacs said : Wrong type argument 14:33:03 -!- zmv [~daniel@c934a9f5.virtua.com.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:33:06 symbolp 14:33:25 Often, emacs says that when there's an incompatible version of some software loaded in it. 14:33:41 Try to update slimes/swank. 14:33:50 -!- cfy [~cfy@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:34:10 HG` [~HG@dynj178.osnanet.de] has joined #lisp 14:34:30 Otherwise, you're a lisp programmer, debug the problem! 14:34:42 :( no , I am not 14:34:51 (set the emacs variable debug-on-error to t, and try again to get a backtrace in emacs). 14:35:37 -!- brodo [~brodo@p5B022AB7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: brodo] 14:35:37 hey 14:35:53 I got to my sbcl .46 on Slime in Emacs 14:36:01 but still got that error on the other window 14:37:55 -!- zmv_ is now known as zmv 14:38:22 wubo [~user@c-68-55-91-8.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:38:37 -!- neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.226] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 14:39:09 the canonical term is "Algol-like" 14:39:47 *ZabaQ* always thought it was Forth.. 14:40:35 No QL:UNINSTALL? 14:48:14 Is it only me that gets a restart for a DELETE-DIRECTORY name conflict when using CL-FAD with CCL? 14:50:48 rien [~rien@dyn-160-39-34-114.dyn.columbia.edu] has joined #lisp 14:52:05 -!- metasyntax [~taylor@72.86.89.174] has quit [Quit:  In our sky there is no limits, and masters we have none; heavy metal is the only one! ] 14:53:11 -!- Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:53:45 -!- Gmind [~Gmind@113.190.167.200] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:54:13 Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has joined #lisp 14:54:48 Gmind [~Gmind@113.190.167.200] has joined #lisp 14:54:59 hey 14:55:07 -!- gz [~gz@209-6-40-245.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: gz] 14:55:32 is everyone use Emacs for Lisp ? 14:56:27 Blkt [~user@net-93-151-251-53.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has joined #lisp 14:56:43 I don't. 14:57:14 Gmind: all reasonable people do 14:57:15 ZabaQ: there's also an annoying conflict with alexandria 14:57:44 ZabaQ: I usually :import-from the few symbols I need 14:58:17 cl-fad redefines ccl::delete-directory function, how uncool is that? 14:58:27 want to know your favorite editor for lisp 14:58:30 :P 14:58:49 I'm going to get start on Lisp after sometimes on Scheme 15:00:09 good day everyone 15:00:29 Gmind: emacs and slime seems good enough for me at least. 15:00:56 (as with scheme, I have Emacs + Geiser combo) 15:01:11 Gmind: personnaly, I'd hate having to learn a new IDE each time I switch languages. So I keep using emacs whatever I'm doing. 15:01:14 I'm having some problems with Slime and Emacs 15:01:47 don't know why it keep talking about wrong argument : symbolp 15:02:03 (set the emacs variable debug-on-error to t, and try again to get a backtrace in emacs). 15:03:05 pjb: M-x toggle-debug-on-error? 15:04:19 Liera```` [~user@113.172.34.40] has joined #lisp 15:04:30 When binding a list to a variable, is '(1 2 3) equivalent to (list 1 2 3), except that the quoted list is constant? 15:05:12 stassats: I'm unsophisticated. M-: (setf debug-on-error t) RET is more general :-) 15:05:13 7 15:05:37 Madsy: your question is meaningless. 15:05:57 Madsy: you should define "equivalent". 15:06:21 Madsy: read http://www.nhplace.com/kent/PS/EQUAL.html 15:06:35 adu [~ajr@softbank220043139062.bbtec.net] has joined #lisp 15:06:42 pjb: Thanks. 15:06:53 -!- Liera``` [~user@123.20.50.72] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:06:56 Madsy: in particular, it's not the variable that counts, but the value, and what you do with it: 15:06:57 -!- Areil` [~Areil@123.20.50.72] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:07:26 -!- johanbev [~johanbev@159.80-203-45.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:07:30 oconnore [~eric@ip68-230-164-105.mc.at.cox.net] has joined #lisp 15:07:31 Madsy: (let ((l '(1 2 3))) (delete 2 l)) --> error ; (let ((l (list 1 2 3))) (delete 2 l)) --> (1 3) 15:07:39 But: 15:07:48 Madsy: (let ((l '(1 2 3))) (remove 2 l)) --> (1 3) ; (let ((l (list 1 2 3))) (remove 2 l)) --> (1 3) 15:08:03 that's what Madsy said, isn't it? 15:08:04 -!- BrandLeeJones [~BrandLeeJ@88.116.134.106] has quit [Quit: BrandLeeJones] 15:08:28 stassats: he didn't define "equivalent". 15:08:50 Those two answer imply a definition of "equivalent". 15:14:00 -!- chxane [~chxane@c-76-124-17-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:14:13 metasyntax [~taylor@72.86.89.174] has joined #lisp 15:17:35 -!- billitch [~billitch@men75-12-88-183-197-206.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 15:18:24 jbrokc [~jbrokc@99-149-27-9.lightspeed.bltnin.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 15:18:56 When recursively comparing the (car ls) to the (cadr ls) (while recurring on the cdr), is that a O(n) operation? 15:19:01 zomgbie [~jesus@85-127-168-169.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #lisp 15:20:36 am0c [~am0c@124.49.51.197] has joined #lisp 15:20:38 Areil` [~Areil@113.172.34.40] has joined #lisp 15:20:47 Sure. 15:20:58 O(n)=O(n-1) 15:21:21 -!- juniorroy [~juniorroy@212.36.224.57] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:21:40 juniorroy [~juniorroy@212.36.224.57] has joined #lisp 15:21:42 Notice that the answer is independant on whether you're writing it in Scheme or Lisp, so there's no point in asking the question in both channels. 15:22:10 stassats: It's very annoying. 15:23:56 francogrex [~user@109.130.126.94] has joined #lisp 15:24:21 who has successfully installed a lisp machine emulator on his PC? 15:24:41 why emulator ? 15:24:41 lanthan_afh [~ze@p54B7DD42.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 15:25:42 -!- lanthan_afh [~ze@p54B7DD42.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 15:25:44 homie: you have a lisp machine at home? 15:26:01 homie: because it would be faster and cheaper in electricity than to run an actual lisp machine. 15:26:06 emulators are good. 15:26:31 I was thinking about this: http://www.unlambda.com/l-machine/index.html 15:26:59 lanthan_afh [~ze@p54B7DD42.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 15:28:02 i went to MIT and saw a lisp machine once 15:28:28 A Ti Explorer was present at last ELS. 15:31:16 I talked on IRC to a guy who used one. 15:32:16 pjb: I apologize - but because it was in Scheme format I just wanted to get some response. I didn't think either channel was active = \ But thanks!! 15:33:55 i played with one emulator once. i wonder if it's still in the net.. 15:34:26 pjb: Ok, your objection was if I meant equal under eq, eql, equal, or equalp. Sorry about that. I thought my question was clear given the context. I meant equal under "equal" 15:34:38 The page was very useful. 15:34:39 I guess it's not trivial to get it on the x86... 15:36:04 Spion__ [~spion@77.29.250.12] has joined #lisp 15:36:19 rasterbar [~rasterbar@unaffiliated/rasterbar] has joined #lisp 15:38:11 *francogrex* is trying meroko (need to switch pc) 15:38:16 -!- francogrex [~user@109.130.126.94] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)] 15:39:02 carlocci [~nes@93.37.192.67] has joined #lisp 15:39:22 rpg [~rpg@fw.henn.dunn.pcspeed.com] has joined #lisp 15:39:26 -!- Spion_ [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:40:42 francogrex, ftp://ftp.parc.xerox.com/pub/lfg/ has some kind of interlisp environment 15:44:16 Blkt` [~user@net-93-151-231-56.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has joined #lisp 15:45:08 -!- Blkt [~user@net-93-151-251-53.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:46:11 tronador_ [~guille@190.253.157.72] has joined #lisp 15:47:15 dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has joined #lisp 15:48:17 gz [~gz@209-6-40-245.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 15:48:32 Rukowen [~Rukowen@222.253.108.76] has joined #lisp 15:49:38 fe[nl]ix: therep? 15:49:43 yes 15:49:47 francogrex [~user@109.130.126.94] has joined #lisp 15:49:53 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@catv-80-98-24-21.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #lisp 15:49:53 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@catv-80-98-24-21.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Changing host] 15:49:53 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 15:50:13 fe[nl]ix: I believe I have fixed the xmls tarball. 15:50:42 ok 15:52:33 Not that it really matters for you --- you just got two copies of the sources, but figured I should fix it. 15:53:12 -!- emporas [~emporas@athedsl-173714.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:54:03 Ragnaroek [5b0c3076@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.12.48.118] has joined #lisp 15:54:41 yo 15:54:56 how to call C++ DLL library from SBCL ? 15:55:28 (or is it possible ?) 15:55:51 It's possible with C wrapper code 15:56:28 eg: http://tobias.rautenkranz.ch/lisp/cl-smoke/ 15:58:45 -!- _2x2l [~andrew@209.20.83.196] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:59:33 -!- juniorroy [~juniorroy@212.36.224.57] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:00:31 timack [~tim@hlfx62-2a-220.ns.sympatico.ca] has joined #lisp 16:00:47 -!- cmbntr_ [~cmbntr@slice.loopback.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:01:22 udzinari [~user@209.158.broadband13.iol.cz] has joined #lisp 16:01:37 -!- Harag [~Harag@wbs-41-208-211-15.wbs.co.za] has left #lisp 16:01:53 cmbntr [~cmbntr@slice.loopback.ch] has joined #lisp 16:05:15 _2x2l [~andrew@209.20.83.196] has joined #lisp 16:05:48 -!- Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:06:52 slash_ [~unknown@pD955D7E5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 16:09:27 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 16:09:55 BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has joined #lisp 16:11:03 -!- Liera```` is now known as Liera 16:11:30 homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-155-245.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 16:12:20 -!- Areil` is now known as Areil 16:13:09 -!- timack [~tim@hlfx62-2a-220.ns.sympatico.ca] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:13:18 heck, if I'm used to Vim 16:13:29 is there anything like slime for vim ? 16:13:32 :F 16:13:35 :D 16:13:35 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-148-193.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:13:52 there are attempts 16:16:47 -!- Odin- [~sbkhh@adsl-2-92.du.snerpa.is] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:17:19 borkamaniac [~user@S0106001111de1fc8.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 16:18:07 -!- incandenza [~incandenz@ip68-231-109-244.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:19:47 derrotebaron [~derroteba@static.7.69.47.78.clients.your-server.de] has joined #lisp 16:20:04 Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has joined #lisp 16:20:06 Gmind: it's not worth it, honestly. I was also a vim user and learning emacs wasn't hard at all. 16:20:42 oh thank rien, it's just because I like vim somehow :P 16:21:03 I can use both vim and Emacs 16:21:06 -!- homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-155-245.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 16:21:08 bozolek [~frudgen@212.203.98.114] has joined #lisp 16:21:22 Bronsa [~brace@host158-189-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 16:22:02 -!- simplechat [~simplecha@unaffiliated/simplechat] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:22:41 -!- bozolek [~frudgen@212.203.98.114] has quit [Client Quit] 16:23:09 -!- francogrex [~user@109.130.126.94] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:23:47 incandenza [~incandenz@ip68-231-109-244.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 16:24:01 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-155-245.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 16:24:08 Gmind: there is vimpulse (vim emulation) for emacs :-) 16:24:15 yzabelle [~frudgen@212.203.98.114] has joined #lisp 16:24:18 -!- am0c [~am0c@124.49.51.197] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:24:21 :)) 16:24:25 that's fun 16:24:27 =)) 16:25:12 I was the main developer years ago, now it's in better hands, I don't miss much from vim anymore :-) 16:27:06 ale``: that's a nice story :) 16:27:31 LiamH [~healy@pool-68-239-79-144.res.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 16:28:09 so ale``, u r the author ? 16:28:28 (I 16:28:36 and if you feel stupid when you use emacs, don't worry. I've used it for 22 years and I still feel stupid :-) 16:29:18 ( I have just been learning about Lisp macros to compare with scheme'macros ) 16:29:26 Harag [~Harag@41.56.19.170] has joined #lisp 16:29:37 Gmind: yeah, but I don't know how much of my code is left :-) I'm the original author. 16:29:53 slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-99-183-243-127.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 16:30:05 or better, one of the two original authors ^^ 16:30:16 loke: :P LoL, I'm just having some warning from slime 16:30:28 A completely separate (on-topic though) question: How is the hash value calculated for keys that you put in a hash-table? 16:30:47 loke: implementation dependent. 16:30:58 ale`` :D, it's surprised to see a "vim emu" for emacs :)) 16:31:00 morning 16:31:47 ha ha hash table, this remind me of what I have just passed by the final exam =) 16:32:18 isn't it depend on your division ? 16:32:26 pkhuong: Oh. I wasn't able to find it in the CLHS. I wanted to know what guarantees there are for hash generation. Are objects that compare (equalp) guaranteed to always have the same hash value? What if I pass a sturtuce or a CLOS instance as hash key? 16:32:28 Gmind: no. 16:32:36 Gmind: there was already a vi emulation package, viper, but it lacked many of vim goodies, so we started working on top of that. I don't think it's so strange, vi bindings are addictive, but emacs is a superior framework (imho). 16:32:42 loke: it depends on the test you pass to make-hash-table. 16:33:32 ale`` : ya, I think emacs have an advantage on expanding its features 16:34:15 pkhuong: so basically the hash generation rules follows (and is limited to) the guarantees set out by the :test parameter? That explains why home-made :test functions are not allowed. 16:34:26 (it seem to be a lot of things for me to learn about emacs, vim , lisp...) 16:34:30 urandom__ [~user@p548A2ED4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 16:34:57 loke: but for hash tables you can only pass one of two tests if i'm not mistaken 16:35:16 loke: oh sorry, I just read that you know that :) 16:35:25 eq, eql, equal and equalp according to the CLHS 16:35:36 it makes sense then 16:37:33 loke: many implementations have support for user-defined hash and comparison functions. 16:38:23 yeah, that shouldn't be a problem or obstacle, really. 16:38:41 jesusito [~user@163.pool85-49-250.dynamic.orange.es] has joined #lisp 16:41:40 Dranik [~dim@178.154.95.57] has joined #lisp 16:41:45 -!- Dranik [~dim@178.154.95.57] has left #lisp 16:44:18 krfs [~jonata@189-16-43-233.cte.net.br] has joined #lisp 16:48:28 -!- antgreen [~user@CPE00222d6c4710-CM00222d6c470d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:48:39 HET2 [~diman@cpc1-cdif12-2-0-cust125.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 16:49:37 Davsebamse [~davse@gate.ipvision.dk] has joined #lisp 16:50:28 -!- adu [~ajr@softbank220043139062.bbtec.net] has quit [Quit: adu] 16:51:12 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 16:53:12 -!- yzabelle [~frudgen@212.203.98.114] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:53:23 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 16:54:27 -!- pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159852.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:54:36 -!- Bronsa [~brace@host158-189-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:55:58 -!- kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:56:20 emporas [~emporas@athedsl-173714.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 16:57:43 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:57:58 Bronsa [~brace@host235-175-dynamic.17-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 16:58:23 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 17:00:03 waaaaargh [~waaaaargh@agsb-4d048b77.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 17:02:30 -!- zomgbie [~jesus@85-127-168-169.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:02:48 -!- jbrokc [~jbrokc@99-149-27-9.lightspeed.bltnin.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:03:54 -!- rpg [~rpg@fw.henn.dunn.pcspeed.com] has quit [Quit: rpg] 17:04:57 mcspiff [~user@142.68.77.175] has joined #lisp 17:05:29 any cxml-dom wizards around? 17:06:12 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:06:24 -!- dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:06:58 kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 17:07:19 <_8david`> mcspiff: don't ask to ask, just ask 17:07:31 :) 17:08:57 heh fair enough. Instead of parsing an existing document into a DOM 17:08:57 and manipulating that, I want to create a document from scratch as a DOM 17:08:57 and serialize it when finished. Not seeing anything in the docs for that use case 17:08:57 and the source isn't exactly obvious 17:09:12 ...not sure why my client split that into multiple messages, sorry 17:09:21 rpg [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has joined #lisp 17:09:23 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:09:31 <_8david`> (cxml-dom:create-document) ;? 17:10:03 <_8david`> and then dom:create-element etc, obviously 17:10:11 mcspiff: maybe some plugin you're using. 17:10:41 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-155-245.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 17:11:12 <_8david`> Personally I'm a fan of STP instead of DOM these days. (But I'm biased.) 17:12:09 _8david`: was trying that, without being able to figure out a 17:12:09 proper call to it. Could you give a trivial example of how to 17:12:09 successfully call it? 17:13:20 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-155-245.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 17:14:19 <_8david`> (let ((d (cxml-dom:create-document))) (dom:append-child d (dom:create-element d "test")) (dom:map-document (cxml:make-string-sink) d)) 17:14:37 _8david`: heh, never tried the easiest case of no args 17:14:39 thanks 17:15:23 bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #lisp 17:15:24 -!- leo2007 [~leo@59.57.97.48] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:15:28 oh, I was calling dom:create-document instead of cxml-dom, d'oh 17:16:11 (let ((d (cxml-dom:create-document))) (dom:append-child d 17:16:11 (dom:create-element d "test")) (dom:map-document 17:16:11 (cxml:make-string-sink) d)) [13:14] 17:16:11 17:16:11 -!- mcspiff [~user@142.68.77.175] has left #lisp 17:17:03 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 17:17:05 schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #lisp 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has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:34:09 pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 17:34:15 <_8david`> slyrus: although I haven't tried Qt 4.7 yet, I think it should work. 17:34:25 qsun [~qsun@66.220.3.138] has joined #lisp 17:34:37 <_8david`> I think you need kdebindings from git (last week or so) for the latest MacOS fixes though. 17:35:13 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 17:35:57 phuckpig [~fuckpig@217.171.129.80] has joined #lisp 17:36:18 johnny- [~johnny@2001:470:bab8:1dff::c8] has joined #lisp 17:36:23 -!- zmv [~daniel@c934a9f5.virtua.com.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:36:46 http://hownear.to/ <-- what does this mean? 17:37:53 azaq23 [~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23] has joined #lisp 17:39:11 dabd [~dabd@a85-139-207-88.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #lisp 17:39:30 -!- Harag [~Harag@41.56.19.170] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:39:39 Oby420 [~dix@91.79.159.46] has 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rather, what are you trying to do? 19:43:46 modifying the elements of a list by using a loop (not mapping or hashing) 19:43:52 and vlist is a literal list, you can't modify it! 19:43:57 -!- Edward [ed@AAubervilliers-154-1-56-130.w90-3.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:44:35 (let ((list (list 5 6 4 7 8))) (loop for i on list do (incf (car i))) list) => (6 7 5 8 9) 19:45:32 oudeis [~oudeis@rrcs-184-75-46-6.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 19:45:49 true, my bad about modifying the literal list 19:46:48 lispm [~lispm@f054055239.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 19:47:15 -!- lispm [~lispm@f054055239.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Client Quit] 19:47:21 xan_ [~xan@167.Red-79-158-92.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 19:47:27 lispm [~lispm@f054055239.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 19:53:13 <_death> (map-into list #'1+ list) 19:54:19 -!- _death is now known as adeht 19:54:36 gemelen [~shelta@shpd-92-101-144-91.vologda.ru] has joined #lisp 19:55:02 -!- Spion__ is now known as Spion 19:55:08 -!- Spion [~spion@77.29.250.12] has quit [Changing host] 19:55:08 Spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has joined #lisp 19:56:12 -!- fantazo_ [~fantazo@178-190-233-144.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:00:44 the mess with modifying literals is really one of the biggest serious warts on the CL spec 20:01:00 is it? 20:01:12 IMHO, yes 20:01:35 it's way too easy to do it, and it's extremely counter-intuitive and hard to discover 20:02:15 I'd say it's as close to trashing the memory with random pointers as it gets in CL 20:02:19 mathrick: what would you have instead? 20:02:38 pkhuong: errors 20:02:49 you can do errors 20:03:12 but no implementations do that I know of 20:03:29 -!- moah [~gnu@dslb-094-220-126-129.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #lisp 20:03:30 and it's not mandated by the standard, it's just not incorrect to signal an error 20:03:35 -!- emporas [~emporas@athedsl-173714.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by 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Still I don't understand why you can setf (car i) using the on but can't setf the i using the in... hmmm 20:04:55 emporas [~emporas@athedsl-173714.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 20:05:09 francogrex: that's quite basic 20:05:21 mathrick: sbcl issued a warning about the literal changing 20:06:05 well, it should've been more forceful about it :) 20:06:16 it's a compile-time warning 20:07:44 yes, but it should result in a runtime error, like most compile-time warnings about doing bad things 20:08:08 kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 20:08:43 I know, it should have broken my pc with a hammer after calling me an imbecile for doing that... imagine an implementation that insults the user :" You can't call a destructive function on constant data, you moron!" 20:09:15 that's what haskell does, i believe 20:09:16 -!- Areil [~Areil@113.172.34.40] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:09:32 fantazo_ [~fantazo@178-191-163-19.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #lisp 20:09:38 that explains its popularity among the masochists 20:10:07 well, it uses a fairly obscure syntax to call you a moron (: 20:10:15 MoALTz_ [~no@92.18.80.15] has joined #lisp 20:10:24 more like "if you don't understand the type signature, you aren't worthy of programming me anyway" (; 20:10:35 it goes even further, it prevents morons from using it 20:10:47 Edward [~ed@AAubervilliers-154-1-62-245.w90-3.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 20:11:23 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:11:47 francogrex: it's no different from dividing by zero 20:12:02 and if you do that, SBCL will compile to code that always signals an error 20:12:04 s0ber_ [~s0ber@111-240-167-156.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 20:12:32 ((lambda (x) (/ x 0) 10) 5) => 10 ; no error! 20:12:54 -!- Edward_ [~ed@AAubervilliers-154-1-72-96.w81-249.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:13:08 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 20:13:25 -!- MoALTz [~no@92.18.80.15] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:13:44 stassats: huh, how? 20:14:07 pnkfelix [~Adium@c-68-38-142-34.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:14:14 -!- sonnym [~sonny@rrcs-184-74-137-167.nys.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:14:18 -!- kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:14:19 it's unused, so it's eliminated 20:14:24 (in unsafe code) 20:14:47 what's the default safety level? 20:14:51 -!- s0ber [~s0ber@111-240-165-208.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:14:53 1 20:15:02 and that's enough to elide it? 20:15:07 -!- s0ber_ is now known as s0ber 20:15:08 yes 20:15:18 rather, not enough 20:15:28 hmm 20:15:54 I recall a c.l.l discussion about what the compilers can and cannot elide to that effect 20:16:14 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-215-117-46.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:16:30 nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181199216.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 20:16:33 not in ecl 20:16:37 in unsafe code, you compilers can stand on their ears 20:16:48 s/you// 20:16:49 ((lambda (x) (/ x 0) 10) 5) -> # 20:16:58 sonnym [~sonny@rrcs-184-74-137-167.nys.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 20:17:12 we were talking about sbcl specifically 20:17:26 Blkt``` [~user@net-93-151-231-11.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has joined #lisp 20:18:08 kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 20:18:50 dstatyvka [ejabberd@pepelaz.jabber.od.ua] has joined #lisp 20:19:21 -!- Blkt`` [~user@net-93-151-248-61.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:19:32 -!- Liera [~user@113.172.34.40] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:19:38 however modifying literals in ecl, goes on as if nothing is wrong 20:20:08 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:20:38 -!- Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:21:48 Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has joined #lisp 20:22:03 Hoornet [~Hoornet@93.103.24.156] has joined #lisp 20:22:19 -!- Hoornet [~Hoornet@93.103.24.156] has quit [Client Quit] 20:23:48 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-141-166-26.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:24:32 the same in sbcl: (funcall (compile nil '(lambda (x) (incf (car x)))) '(1 2 3)) 20:24:43 it's only detected lexically at compile time 20:26:15 or rather just (funcall (lambda (x) (incf (car x))) '(1 2 3)) 20:26:17 -!- pnkfelix [~Adium@c-68-38-142-34.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:28:13 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-140-64-14.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 20:29:02 mcspiff [~user@142.68.77.175] has joined #lisp 20:29:11 -!- Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:29:25 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 20:29:38 _8david`: it would be handy if you provided a link to the kdebindings svn repo on the commonqt page 20:30:11 Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has joined #lisp 20:31:13 -!- kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:31:26 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:36:50 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 20:39:23 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:39:23 mcspiff` [~user@142.68.77.175] has joined #lisp 20:39:35 realloc [~realloc@unaffiliated/realloc] has joined #lisp 20:39:55 -!- mcspiff [~user@142.68.77.175] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:41:30 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 20:41:43 -!- Davsebamse [~davse@gate.ipvision.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:42:13 LiamH [~healy@pool-68-239-79-144.res.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:42:20 -!- slash_ [~unknown@pD955D7E5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:42:37 nyef [~nyef@pool-70-109-132-180.cncdnh.east.myfairpoint.net] has joined #lisp 20:43:12 <_8david`> slyrus: kdebindings git repo, you mean? 20:43:43 <_8david`> in any case, you're right -- the homepage/documentation needs work 20:44:52 -!- nha [~prefect@250-194.105-92.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:45:47 lisppaste [~lisppaste@common-lisp.net] has joined #lisp 20:46:11 minion [~minion@common-lisp.net] has joined #lisp 20:46:29 specbot [~specbot@common-lisp.net] has joined #lisp 20:47:42 I rest my case... all I could find was an svn repo 20:48:03 do you have a better URL than svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/KDE/kdebindings ? 20:53:01 ale``: Ping? 20:54:16 -!- mcspiff` [~user@142.68.77.175] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:54:28 mcspiff [~user@142.68.77.175] has joined #lisp 20:57:21 kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 20:57:39 chemuduguntar [~ravic@smtp.touchcut.com] has joined #lisp 21:00:23 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:00:49 has anyone successfully used Plexippus XPath with a cxml-dom returned from chtml:parse? 21:01:37 I've even tried parsing with chtml:parse, dumping the xml back to a string, parsing that with cxml:parse and running xpath on that, without success 21:02:51 mcspiff: it'd help if you described the problems you encounter 21:04:25 mathrick: sure, I can throw some code on paste.lisp.org if thats easiest 21:05:55 ltriant [~ltriant@lithium.mailguard.com.au] has joined #lisp 21:07:11 -!- pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159852.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:07:48 -!- mcspiff [~user@142.68.77.175] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:08:33 mcspiff [~user@142.68.77.175] has joined #lisp 21:08:55 -!- lispm [~lispm@f054055239.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 21:09:33 mcspiff pasted "chtml oddities" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/120036 21:09:53 -!- Athas [~athas@130.225.165.35] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:11:20 -!- Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has quit [Quit: ""] 21:11:39 spilman [~spilman@ARennes-552-1-65-28.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 21:11:58 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 21:12:02 Just showing the three parsing strategies used 21:12:39 pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159852.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has joined #lisp 21:14:09 pnkfelix [~Adium@c-68-38-142-34.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:14:23 -!- kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:14:59 mcspiff annotated #120036 "untitled" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/120036#1 21:15:26 Sorry, in the original paste the 3rd case was wrong. Fixed in the annotation. 21:15:59 -!- spilman [~spilman@ARennes-552-1-65-28.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Emacs > Vim. Let's troll!] 21:16:43 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:16:58 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 21:17:12 anyone have any idea of what chtml is doing to the DOM tree that breaks things? 21:20:37 -!- pnkfelix [~Adium@c-68-38-142-34.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:20:59 eugu [~Miranda@213.141.157.147] has joined #lisp 21:21:40 -!- Ragnaroek [5b0c3076@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.12.48.118] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:22:12 -!- parcs [~patrick@ool-45741d7d.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:23:03 parcs [~patrick@ool-45741d7d.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 21:23:27 Hmmm seems like its the namespace thats breaking it 21:24:32 kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 21:24:35 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:24:45 the last time I tried, I had to define the html namespace and qualify the individual element references in the xpath. 21:25:23 (using XPATH:WITH-NAMESPACES) 21:25:37 zfx: seems like that's exactly whats going on 21:26:10 I've had a few problems with plexippus. trying libxml2 instead, now. 21:26:43 Is it possible to remove the namespace from the html element? 21:26:47 via the dom 21:26:54 I'm not sure. 21:27:13 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:27:51 -!- Bronsa [~brace@host235-175-dynamic.17-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:28:09 to be honest, I gave up on it, particularly after CXML-STP stopped quickloading for some reason. 21:28:33 although I think that was because something on my machine got wonked. :) 21:30:04 konr [~user@xaveco.lab.ic.unicamp.br] has joined #lisp 21:31:05 Bronsa [~brace@host235-175-dynamic.17-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 21:32:07 heh understandable. Seems like it should be a simple fix with the namespaces tho... 21:32:47 yeah. I found that defining a WITH-HTML-NAMESPACE macro was quite helpful. 21:32:49 -!- francogrex [~user@109.130.126.94] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:35:10 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 21:36:00 -!- Bronsa [~brace@host235-175-dynamic.17-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Client Quit] 21:37:10 zfx: works perfect, thank you! 21:37:38 -!- plage [~user@123.28.62.25] has left #lisp 21:37:42 wow, trying to find the git repo for kdebindings is rather annoying 21:37:43 -!- kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:38:14 slyrus: need it for smoke/commonqt? 21:38:19 yeah 21:38:47 -!- dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-89-201.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:40:47 -!- Harag [~Harag@41.56.19.170] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:41:03 Harag [~Harag@41.56.19.170] has joined #lisp 21:41:05 kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 21:41:10 slyrus: it was painful. Never got commonQt working under OS X. 21:41:13 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.237.228] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:42:15 bummer 21:42:31 nyef: pong 21:43:07 I have a small problem. 21:43:21 I'm trying to use Quicklisp to compile StumpWM. 21:44:04 -!- mcspiff [~user@142.68.77.175] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:44:08 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:44:08 mcspiff [~user@142.68.77.175] has joined #lisp 21:44:08 _8david`: the commonqt home page explicitly mentions the SVN repo 21:44:13 But after I use ql:quickload to install both CLX and CL-PPCRE, ASDF won't find it. 21:44:13 -!- Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:44:49 Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has joined #lisp 21:47:19 ale``: Did you leave a memo for me about clx? 21:48:26 nyef: ah, yeah, some time ago, i almost forgot about it :) 21:48:28 -!- Harag [~Harag@41.56.19.170] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:48:43 Harag [~Harag@41.56.19.170] has joined #lisp 21:49:06 Yeah, I disappeared for a bit. The memo was delivered to me about an hour ago now. 21:49:11 hi ppl 21:49:16 people 21:49:54 nyef: do you have any opinions on my clx vs. trivial-features problem? 21:50:13 Hexstream [~hexstream@modemcable075.97-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 21:50:15 hi Posterdati 21:50:32 <_8david`> slyrus: yeah, the homepage is completely out of date. 21:50:32 nyef: by the way, the documentation doesn't mention the :window parameter in send-event... I discovered about it myself, after getting meaningless behavior from my code ^^ 21:50:56 nyef: or maybe I looked at the wrong page :/ 21:51:13 slyrus: My position has always been that trivial-features is in the wrong here, but I'd be willing to alter CLX to suit IIF there's a usable feature to detect that the ANSI-style EVAL-WHEN is supported. 21:51:25 <_8david`> slyrus: Hence the paste with the build instructions I made for you earlier -- that one states all the git repos you need for commonqt including smoke. 21:51:28 ale``: I'm not entirely surprised about anything wrong with the documentation. 21:51:36 _8david`: oh, I missed that! 21:52:15 sorry, got distracted with domestic issues right as I started to look at that :) 21:53:40 -!- milanj [~milanj_@109-93-62-247.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:54:10 ale``: Anyway, going back to the original question, I don't know what the point of define-clx-class is, although it's plausibly a portability layer, given that CLX 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Thanks 22:52:11 Posterdati: H4ns (Hans Hübner) was developing a historical lisp machine cpu on an fpga 22:52:18 you could read about the recent Zurich Lisp & Stuff Meeting 22:52:20 he gave a talk at ZSLUG a few weeks ago 22:52:22 such a project was discussed 22:52:40 also Marc Battyani will be talking at the European Lisp Symposium in Hamburg about compiling to fpgas 22:52:47 I think he also did a forth machine on fpgs 22:52:53 "fpga"s 22:52:57 antifuchs: I was thinking that such a thing could be used in embedded systems 22:53:01 http://www.european-lisp-symposium.org/ 22:53:03 possibly 22:53:07 you could discuss with them (: 22:53:31 seriously, if you're interested, Marc Battyani is the person to talk to. His presentation was awesome 5 years ago, and I'm really excited to see what he's done now. 22:54:24 -!- Khisanth [~Khisanth@pool-96-250-21-168.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:54:30 Edward [~ed@AAubervilliers-154-1-54-47.w90-3.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 22:55:12 <_8david`> slyrus: what's happening? 22:55:21 not so much at lisp cpus, but at writing embedded systems and fpgas. (his stuff pre-fpgas was really cool, too) 22:56:30 Krystof: I'm facing a common problem in embedded systems: cpu code + c + libs + OS = much RAM/mass memory 22:56:44 slyrus pasted "smokeqt build error" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/120040 22:57:06 MoALTz [~no@92.18.80.15] has joined #lisp 22:57:29 \] 22:57:36 -!- zmv is now known as Zvm 22:58:09 -!- MoALTz_ [~no@92.18.80.15] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:58:12 Krystof: lisp machines could achieve better performance with modest hardware (RAM/ROM) requirement 23:00:52 Krystof: is he on irc too? 23:01:22 -!- Zvm is now known as zmv 23:01:33 -!- zmv is now known as Zmv 23:02:42 pavlvs [~pavlvs@231.56.143.24.cm.sunflower.com] has joined #lisp 23:02:45 <_8david`> slyrus: hrm. Can you send the error to the guys at kde-bindings@kde.org? 23:05:06 bombshelter13b [~bombshelt@76-10-149-209.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 23:06:43 arborist [~arborist@g224208075.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 23:07:14 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 23:07:41 -!- Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:08:55 -!- varjag [~eugene@4.169.249.62.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 23:09:19 -!- bombshelter13b [~bombshelt@76-10-149-209.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Client Quit] 23:10:27 -!- enthymeme [~kraken@cpe-76-90-52-4.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.1.1] 23:11:15 -!- Blkt``` [~user@net-93-151-231-11.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:13:27 _8david`: will do. perhaps it's because I'm using the nokia qt installer-version rather than the macports version. 23:13:31 Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has joined #lisp 23:13:51 -!- Zmv is now known as zmv 23:14:00 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occasionally, though mostly for output. 04:10:59 I want to create a new pgm from a nother one by rotating it 04:11:28 Integer multiple of 90 degrees? 04:11:34 -!- pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [] 04:12:20 Actually, my first thought here is RUN-PROGRAM and ImageMagick. 04:12:42 about 5 deg 04:13:25 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:13:41 I'd say imagemagick is probably easiest too. 04:16:42 ... Eesh. Just found a defmacro inst (&body ruction) in some old code of mine. 04:17:18 -!- theBlackDragon [~dragon@83.101.84.138] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:18:26 theBlackDragon [~dragon@83.101.84.25] has joined #lisp 04:19:24 i'm finding what the ImageMagisk is 04:19:54 thank nyef and pkhuong, i'll ask you more 04:20:19 No problem. 04:20:25 -!- rootlocus [~rootlocus@240218000001280102264afffe09eee2.ptr-ipv6.nicta.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:20:26 Good luck! 04:26:12 rpg [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has joined #lisp 04:26:15 -!- rpg [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:27:57 -!- tronador_ [~guille@190.253.157.72] has left #lisp 04:28:15 nyef, when i do this on .Net with bmp bitmap 04:28:58 i usually use GetPixel, SetPixel(x, y) 04:29:39 but now on Lisp and pgm, i dont know how. 04:29:56 it's so defferent 04:30:18 Well, you have to parse the pgm file anyway, so parse it into a 2d array and use aref and (setf aref). 04:31:09 i've done it 04:32:17 I already have 2D array 04:33:06 but I dont know how to create pgm from this array 04:33:12 -!- HET2 [~diman@cpc1-cdif12-2-0-cust125.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 04:33:58 ... One of the PGM formats is a short header followed by one integer per pixel with the gray level, all text. 04:34:11 clhs format 04:34:11 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_format.htm 04:34:58 Actually, give me a sec here. 04:35:00 -!- azaq23 [~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:35:07 adu [~ajr@softbank220043139062.bbtec.net] has joined #lisp 04:35:12 kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 04:35:50 nyef pasted "A PGM writing function" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/120043 04:36:49 ... I seem to have hardcoded the gray levels to run from 0 through 1399, but that's what worked for my application at the time. 04:37:13 Umm... And my array happened to be floating-point data. 04:37:14 ah... i see 04:37:26 But that's the basics, anyway. 04:37:51 PGM is a sweet format in that respect. 04:38:18 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:40:03 -!- kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:40:12 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 04:40:14 -!- fisxoj [~fisxoj@cpe-24-59-205-231.twcny.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:40:28 that's great. I'll try it 04:40:51 -!- jleija [~jleija@c-98-199-38-40.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 04:41:10 nyef, which is difference between P2 and P5? 04:42:30 -!- theBlackDragon [~dragon@83.101.84.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:42:47 ISTR that P5 is binary-encoded somehow. 04:42:53 theBlackDragon [~dragon@83.101.63.252] has joined #lisp 04:43:34 I just needed to get something on the screen, and didn't want to deal with CLX directly, so I was perfectly happy dumping to a "wasteful" image format. 04:45:12 kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 04:46:02 -!- adu [~ajr@softbank220043139062.bbtec.net] has quit [Quit: adu] 04:48:13 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:49:42 -!- panike [~nwp@adsl-99-153-132-101.dsl.mdsnwi.sbcglobal.net] has left #lisp 04:49:53 -!- Phoodus [~foo@68.107.217.139] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:49:58 -!- kejsaren_ 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BMP support to opticl 05:03:32 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 05:03:46 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-155-245.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:04:23 tenawa [~user@adsl-75-53-123-94.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 05:05:07 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-160-126.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 05:05:38 and evening folks 05:06:16 -!- kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:06:50 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-160-126.netcologne.de] has quit [Client Quit] 05:08:30 kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 05:09:11 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:09:26 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-160-126.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 05:09:46 rme_ [~rme@pool-70-105-122-100.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 05:10:36 -!- rme 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I give up, for the moment... 07:10:11 -!- NNshag [user@chl45-1-88-123-84-8.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:10:30 kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 07:11:25 mcsontos [~mcsontos@nat/redhat/x-fymtvgefjifkscgf] has joined #lisp 07:12:17 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 07:12:53 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:12:57 -!- nO0b [~nO0b@c-68-84-46-237.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:15:13 -!- kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:15:31 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 07:16:50 -!- krfs [~jonata@189-16-43-233.cte.net.br] has quit [Quit: Saindo] 07:17:46 flip214 [~marek@2001:858:107:1:baac:6fff:fe6b:9183] has joined #lisp 07:17:46 -!- flip214 [~marek@2001:858:107:1:baac:6fff:fe6b:9183] has quit [Changing host] 07:17:46 flip214 [~marek@unaffiliated/flip214] has joined #lisp 07:20:26 <_8david`> slyrus: give the bindings guys some hours to wake up... :-) 07:20:31 <_8david`> I don't think the "frameworkization" as such should give the error you had previously. It's just an undetected copy constructor during header parsing or so. 07:20:39 jdz [~jdz@193.206.22.97] has joined #lisp 07:21:13 schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-066-008-191.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 07:24:28 ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has joined #lisp 07:25:26 kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 07:26:05 rme_ [~rme@pool-70-104-125-82.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 07:26:22 -!- rme [rme@clozure-AF83E873.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout] 07:26:23 -!- rme_ is now known as rme 07:27:26 -!- rme [~rme@pool-70-105-113-150.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:27:26 -!- rme_ is now known as rme 07:27:44 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-77-24.lns20.bne4.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 07:28:38 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:30:57 mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 07:31:13 good morning 07:31:42 preyalone [81ae6164@gateway/web/freenode/ip.129.174.97.100] has joined #lisp 07:31:46 Davsebamse [~das@94.127.50.104] has joined #lisp 07:32:04 Bordeaux Threads refuses to install in Quicklisp/ABCL: The symbol "THREAD" was not found in package EXT. 07:37:05 madsenz [~madsenz@n11z181l194.static.ctm.net] has joined #lisp 07:37:20 preylanone: it needs to be patched. 07:37:54 HG` [~HG@xdsl-92-252-73-178.dip.osnanet.de] has joined #lisp 07:37:59 http://slack.net/~evenson/abcl/bordeaux-threads-abcl-20110227a.diff 07:38:56 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 07:39:08 -!- madsenz1 [~madsenz@n11z181l194.static.ctm.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:39:28 <_8david`> slyrus: that one seems to be known: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=245371 07:39:50 <_8david`> perhaps you could ping them about it on the list and/or #kde-bindings until they do something about it...? 07:40:06 -!- HG` 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#lisp 09:36:39 hello beach 09:37:26 -!- rme [~rme@pool-70-104-120-70.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:37:26 -!- rme_ is now known as rme 09:37:51 hi sun shine =)) 09:37:58 -!- rme [rme@clozure-1B5C82B6.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout] 09:38:01 beach, good afternoon Thay 09:38:48 -!- Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 09:41:44 Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has joined #lisp 09:42:02 usually i know i've been up too late when beach says good morning. 09:42:18 but good afternoon... 09:42:39 rme_ [~rme@pool-70-106-128-88.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 09:43:00 -!- rme [rme@clozure-203FA863.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout] 09:43:01 -!- rme_ is now known as rme 09:44:37 hermitek [~hermitek@ip-89-102-35-139.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lisp 09:44:38 -!- rme [~rme@pool-70-105-125-58.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:44:38 -!- rme_ is now known as rme 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What's up? 09:51:17 i havent met you for long 09:51:44 rme_ [~rme@pool-70-106-129-169.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 09:51:44 Rukowen_: That's correct. It's about time. When are you available? 09:51:51 because I can not access the internet when I stayed in my hometown 09:52:01 Rukowen_: I see. 09:52:12 oconnore: That sounds bad. 09:52:38 -!- rme [~rme@pool-70-106-128-88.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:52:38 -!- rme_ is now known as rme 09:52:53 Now Khiem anh I are doing the previous task 09:53:03 -!- rme [rme@clozure-41BF2D0F.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout] 09:53:08 Rukowen_: Ah, OK. 09:53:11 -!- hugod_ [~hugod@bas1-montreal50-1279440519.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:53:14 rotate a image to the correct angle 09:53:42 beach, but when i rotate, there is some noise added 09:54:27 beach: midterm papers :) 09:54:39 I know 3 method to rotate, we're trying them all 09:54:43 oconnore: No, exercises to learn Lisp. 09:55:16 Rukowen_: slyrus_ will know everything about that, because he just implemented it in his new library called opticl. 09:55:57 Unfortunately, I don't know of a lisp compiler that targets MLA format. 09:56:20 i've just asked nyef this morning 09:56:38 -!- Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:56:42 Rukowen_: And what did he say? 09:57:40 kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 09:57:53 Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has joined #lisp 09:58:03 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@catv-80-98-24-21.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #lisp 09:58:03 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@catv-80-98-24-21.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Changing host] 09:58:03 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 09:58:09 hugod [~hugod@bas1-montreal50-1279440909.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 09:58:10 he suggested us ImageMagick 09:58:35 OK, that might have been the right answer if the purpose were not for you to learn Lisp :) 09:59:03 Rukowen_: So what method do you use? 09:59:26 -!- hermitek [~hermitek@ip-89-102-35-139.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:00:18 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:01:09 as you said before 10:01:09 (sin cos) 10:01:11 (cos -sin) 10:01:49 rme_ [~rme@pool-70-106-129-2.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 10:01:58 Nearest Neighbor 10:02:12 hermitek [~hermitek@ip-89-102-35-139.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lisp 10:02:15 Rukowen_: do you do antialiasing, or averaging, or something like that? 10:02:35 Bilinear and Bicubic 10:02:45 BrandLeeJones [~BrandLeeJ@84.114.246.246] has joined #lisp 10:03:07 -!- rme [rme@clozure-4C21538.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout] 10:03:08 -!- rme_ is now known as rme 10:03:43 Rukowen_: That should work. If there is a lot of noise, it is probably just a bug in your code. Try lisppasting it. 10:03:50 -!- rme [~rme@pool-70-106-129-169.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:03:50 -!- rme_ is now known as rme 10:04:37 -!- Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:06:12 Rukowen_: perhaps some rounding artifacts in the color computation? Is that part of the code using integers, per chance? 10:06:48 flip214, I calculated with cos and sin, so .... 10:07:02 flip214, you're right 10:09:05 Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has joined #lisp 10:09:31 -!- mc555 [~user@cpe-76-95-194-109.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)] 10:09:43 Harag [~Harag@wbs-41-208-211-15.wbs.co.za] has joined #lisp 10:10:06 -!- QinGW [~wangqingw@60.247.26.3] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:10:59 rme_ [~rme@pool-70-106-130-147.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 10:11:14 -!- rme [rme@clozure-9191E19E.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout] 10:11:15 -!- rme_ is now known as rme 10:11:34 -!- tcr [~tcr@217-162-131-235.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:11:50 -!- rme [~rme@pool-70-106-129-2.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:11:50 -!- rme_ is now known as rme 10:12:58 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 10:14:53 -!- kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:15:01 -!- Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:15:56 Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has joined #lisp 10:17:04 rme_ [~rme@pool-70-106-131-61.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 10:17:06 kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 10:17:36 -!- rme [rme@clozure-5B1145D.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout] 10:17:37 -!- rme_ is now known as rme 10:17:48 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:18:42 beach, I should go to school, goodbye Professeur. See you later 10:19:02 -!- rme [~rme@pool-70-106-130-147.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:19:02 -!- rme_ is now known as rme 10:19:09 Rukowen_: OK, see you later. 10:19:21 flip214, goodbye 10:19:47 Rukowen_: bye 10:21:15 -!- Rukowen_ [~Rukowen@113.162.160.53] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:21:48 lanthan_afh [~ze@p50992b91.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 10:25:10 -!- qsun [~qsun@66.220.3.138] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:26:34 qsun [~qsun@66.220.3.138] has joined #lisp 10:28:09 Areil` [~Areil@123.21.168.165] has joined #lisp 10:29:04 Liera` [~user@123.21.168.165] has joined #lisp 10:30:33 -!- Liera [~user@113.172.36.54] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:30:48 -!- Areil [~Areil@113.172.36.54] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:31:56 -!- nefo [~nefo@unaffiliated/nefo] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:31:59 Liera`` [~user@113.172.37.34] has joined #lisp 10:32:06 Salamander_ [~Salamande@ppp121-45-147-5.lns21.adl6.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 10:32:23 Areil`` [~Areil@113.172.37.34] has joined #lisp 10:34:14 -!- Salamander [~Salamande@ppp121-45-147-5.lns21.adl6.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:34:15 -!- Areil` [~Areil@123.21.168.165] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:34:23 -!- Liera` [~user@123.21.168.165] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:34:32 snearch [~snearch@f053013016.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 10:35:41 -!- Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:36:45 Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has joined #lisp 10:38:22 yvdriess [~Beef@soft85.vub.ac.be] has joined #lisp 10:39:13 am0c [~am0c@180.224.41.34] has joined #lisp 10:42:15 -!- Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:43:23 Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has joined #lisp 10:45:21 -!- snearch [~snearch@f053013016.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 10:48:46 dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-89-201.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lisp 10:49:23 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 10:51:38 -!- kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:53:00 -!- holycow [~new@poco208-2.fredcanhelp.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:54:33 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:01:41 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 11:04:15 tcr [~tcr@217-162-207-164.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 11:04:43 Nshag [user@chl45-1-88-123-84-8.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 11:05:18 -!- Gmind [~Nevermind@113.190.200.147] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:05:24 dumrat [~dumrat@112.135.213.141] has joined #lisp 11:05:32 Athas [~athas@130.225.165.35] has joined #lisp 11:05:55 Hi all, anyone know a good indentation file for vim for lisp? 11:06:13 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:06:38 hargettp [~hargettp@pool-71-174-131-180.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 11:06:41 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 11:08:47 splittist [~splittist@14-134.1-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #lisp 11:09:04 morning 11:09:22 Evening 11:09:24 Hey splittist 11:09:26 :p 11:10:19 -!- Salamander_ [~Salamande@ppp121-45-147-5.lns21.adl6.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:10:38 stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 11:11:08 guys 11:11:44 point me to an indentation file plz 11:11:46 dumrat: The usual answer to your question is: Learn Emacs, then use SLIME. 11:12:09 -!- Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:13:00 uggh 11:13:01 kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 11:13:15 i'll stick with slimv for the moment 11:13:27 your loss 11:13:31 :) 11:13:55 dmurat: what's wrong with the indentation with slimv? (sorry if I've missed all the context) 11:14:16 it doesnt have any as far as I can see 11:14:26 perhaps I missed something 11:14:37 but i can't find out what 11:14:48 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:15:02 dumrat 11:15:10 ye 11:15:33 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:15:55 : are you sure you've got all your set syntax whatsits set appropriately? Does =% do nothing? 11:16:02 -!- SpitfireWP_ is now known as SpitfireWP 11:16:56 == it is 11:17:00 yep nothing 11:17:56 filetype plugin indent on 11:18:40 Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has joined #lisp 11:18:46 *splittist* reaches the end of his meagre vim knowledge 11:22:57 HET2 [~diman@cpc1-cdif12-2-0-cust125.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 11:26:12 -!- Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:27:40 Salamander_ [~Salamande@ppp121-45-147-5.lns21.adl6.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 11:27:48 Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has joined #lisp 11:30:11 -!- echo-area [~user@114.251.86.0] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:31:22 dumrat: what do you mean exactly? does vim do _no_ indentation, or do you expect more than just brace-counting? 11:32:24 afaik the only bit of override is "lispwords" - but that doesn't do sophisticated things, like knowing about functions with &body etc 11:32:47 nO0b [~nO0b@c-68-84-46-237.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 11:33:50 -!- hargettp [~hargettp@pool-71-174-131-180.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 11:35:36 ignas_ [~ignas@78-60-36-123.static.zebra.lt] has joined #lisp 11:35:41 stassats`: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/147220 11:36:06 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 11:36:11 hargettp [~hargettp@pool-71-174-131-180.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 11:36:26 That's what i was planning to do, but i wanted to warn him first 11:36:37 e-user [~akahl@192.100.120.41] has joined #lisp 11:38:23 I think I was quite explicit back then. 11:39:28 Areil` [~Areil@113.172.35.85] has joined #lisp 11:39:28 -!- kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:39:31 Liera``` [~user@113.172.35.85] has joined #lisp 11:41:35 -!- Liera`` [~user@113.172.37.34] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:42:10 -!- Areil`` [~Areil@113.172.37.34] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:44:00 -!- Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:45:02 Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has joined #lisp 11:46:36 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:47:03 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:47:51 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 11:49:00 Areil`` [~Areil@123.21.169.7] has joined #lisp 11:49:56 Liera```` [~user@123.21.169.7] has joined #lisp 11:50:14 -!- hargettp [~hargettp@pool-71-174-131-180.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:50:59 -!- chitech [~xxx@82.143.212.234] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:51:39 -!- Liera``` [~user@113.172.35.85] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:51:48 -!- Areil` [~Areil@113.172.35.85] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:52:01 -!- yakov [~yakov@109.188.176.245] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:52:23 -!- BrandLeeJones [~BrandLeeJ@84.114.246.246] has quit [Quit: BrandLeeJones] 11:54:10 rootlocus [~rootlocus@124-168-161-46.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 11:57:21 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 11:58:14 -!- Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:59:32 Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has joined #lisp 12:01:49 Areil` [~Areil@113.172.73.128] has joined #lisp 12:04:23 -!- Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:04:30 -!- Areil`` [~Areil@123.21.169.7] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:04:38 -!- Liera```` [~user@123.21.169.7] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:05:59 slash_1 [~unknown@pD955DA4D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 12:06:35 dumrat: you could try http://nekthuth.com/ -- i don't know if it's better than slimv or limp 12:07:26 -!- slash_ [~unknown@pD955D7E5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:09:02 -!- adu [~ajr@softbank220043138128.bbtec.net] has quit [Quit: adu] 12:09:09 borkamaniac [~user@S0106001111de1fc8.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 12:10:34 Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has joined #lisp 12:12:05 -!- slash_1 [~unknown@pD955DA4D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:13:14 -!- am0c [~am0c@180.224.41.34] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:15:33 Areil`` [~Areil@113.172.72.38] has joined #lisp 12:17:08 nikodemus: Is it still unclear about declaration processing and define-declaration? 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sudo chgrp -R local-time /project/local-time/public_html/darcs/ 13:21:46 -!- varjag [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:23:55 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181199216.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 13:24:55 billitch [~billitch@men75-12-88-183-197-206.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 13:25:24 -!- leo2007 [~leo@120.37.103.176] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.2.94.1] 13:26:08 leo2007 [~leo@120.37.103.176] has joined #lisp 13:31:50 -!- borkamaniac [~user@S0106001111de1fc8.cg.shawcable.net] has left #lisp 13:32:02 attila_lendvai: done 13:32:14 fe[nl]ix: thanks a whole lot! 13:32:16 -!- rien is now known as rien|home 13:32:23 I'm looking at a fifo implementation which has a pointer to the tail of the list but its dequeue function never touches the tail pointer. So in case the last item is popped the tail pointer still points to stuff 13:33:19 -!- rien|home [~rien@dyn-160-39-34-114.dyn.columbia.edu] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 13:33:24 myu2 [~myu2@58x5x224x106.ap58.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 13:37:09 borkamaniac [~user@S0106001111de1fc8.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 13:37:34 tcr: shouldn't be too hard to make 13:38:55 -!- Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:39:11 Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has joined #lisp 13:40:03 loke: a leaky fifo? Not hard indeed. 13:41:15 tronador_ [~guille@190.253.157.72] has joined #lisp 13:41:23 :-) 13:41:26 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@212-198-118-66.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:41:42 Actually, a leaky one is just as hard to make as a non-leaky one, methinks 13:43:04 the implementation is perfectly fine otherwise 13:43:22 There's no way to initialize a slot inside a defclass based on the value of another slot, right? 13:43:42 Hun [~Hun@host-80-81-19-29.customer.m-online.net] has joined #lisp 13:43:56 tcr: nope. 13:44:11 defstruct! defstruct! defstruct! (: 13:44:14 Bah that scattering of initialization is annoying :-) 13:44:24 initialize-instance! initialize-instance! 13:44:28 can you do there apart from &aux boa? 13:44:38 -!- adu [~ajr@softbank220043138128.bbtec.net] has quit [Quit: adu] 13:45:38 I don't see what's wrong with &aux boas. 13:46:28 I don't see where I said there's something wrong 13:46:48 -!- lemoinem [~swoog@216.252.79.142] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:46:53 -!- Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:47:13 lemoinem [~swoog@216.252.77.203] has joined #lisp 13:47:17 I'm tempted to though. :-) &aux is cumbersome, too. 13:47:33 Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has joined #lisp 13:47:54 So what's the reason for that :initform restriction? 13:48:36 clhs defstruct 13:48:36 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/m_defstr.htm 13:49:20 tcr: the defstruct :constructor even allows an arglist ... so there you are 13:50:12 -!- dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:50:16 I was here all the time. 13:52:47 tcr: here's an egg to suck on ;) 13:53:49 -!- tronador_ [~guille@190.253.157.72] has quit [Quit: tronador_] 13:55:23 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:55:27 benny` [~benny@i577A21DC.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 13:56:27 -!- corruptmemory [~jim@ool-18bbd5b2.static.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:57:07 Hm Slime lacks a "redefine class and get rid of all existing methods" binding, right? 13:57:16 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 13:58:12 right, unless it's hiding somewhere deep 13:59:31 dlowe [~dlowe@c-66-30-116-162.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:01:53 -!- benny` is now known as benny 14:02:59 churib [~churib@95.156.194.105] has joined #lisp 14:03:11 -!- Joreji_ [~thomas@79-125.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:05:50 -!- myu2 [~myu2@58x5x224x106.ap58.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:10:10 hargettp_ [~hargettp_@dhcp-162.mirrorimage.net] has joined #lisp 14:11:43 tronador_ [~guille@190.253.157.72] has joined #lisp 14:12:33 mega1 [~user@catv4E5C915D.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #lisp 14:12:41 myu2 [~myu2@58x5x224x106.ap58.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 14:13:58 confounds [~confounds@CPE0013f7f0bd88-CM0013f7f0bd84.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 14:17:15 -!- myu2 [~myu2@58x5x224x106.ap58.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:17:50 -!- tronador_ [~guille@190.253.157.72] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:18:23 -!- Salamander_ [~Salamande@ppp121-45-147-5.lns21.adl6.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:18:34 milkpost [~milkpost@dhcpw80ff661d.dynamic.uiowa.edu] has joined #lisp 14:20:15 Salamander [~Salamande@ppp121-45-147-5.lns21.adl6.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 14:22:55 rpg [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has joined #lisp 14:23:56 Somewhat random question (I'll try on org-mode, too): has anyone worked up Common Lisp support for org-babel? 14:24:53 Support in what respect? 14:25:16 AIUI, org-babel integrates tolerably well with SLIME. 14:25:53 rpg: What makes you think there is not support? Or perhaps, what support do you think is missing from ob-lisp? 14:26:33 kencausey: I was looking at http://orgmode.org/worg/org-contrib/babel/languages.html and did not read it carefully enough! 14:26:49 kencausey: I looked under "c" for "common lisp," missing "l" for "lisp." d'oh. 14:27:14 Thanks for pointing that out. 14:28:01 TeMPOraL [~user@static-195-114-183-51.devs.futuro.pl] has joined #lisp 14:28:02 :) 14:29:31 gffa [~gffa@unaffiliated/gffa] has joined #lisp 14:30:02 -!- Joreji [~thomas@79-125.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:30:14 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-140-64-14.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:32:33 Liera [~user@113.172.72.38] has joined #lisp 14:33:39 rpg: I'm considering literate programming myself lately, and am looking at org-mode/babel and frankly trying to work out why I would use it. Have you seen Tim Daly's lisp/clojure code for tangle eliminating the need for weave? 14:34:14 -!- cfy [~cfy@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:34:31 kencausey: I was actually thinking of doing something topsy-turvy about this: just writing the code entirely in lisp mode, and then going back and documenting it by embedding it in org-mode. 14:34:36 I have no need though to produce publishable papers/docs so I begin to suspect I should just use straight code with liberal comments and written in literate order 14:34:45 rpg: hmm 14:34:52 adu [~ajr@softbank220043139062.bbtec.net] has joined #lisp 14:35:05 I'm thinking more of "literate rationalization," than literate programming ;-) 14:35:19 for new code or existing? 14:35:26 This would be code intended to show how to manipulate a particular data structure. 14:35:27 rpg: dto did some stuff with org-babel, IIRC. I don't recall if he added anything on top of it, but he was developing a lisp project using it. 14:36:11 kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 14:36:11 My stuff would be like Knuth's original rationale, I believe --- the code would really be more a prop to exposition than something intended for direct use. 14:36:26 -!- ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Quit: Quit] 14:38:33 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:39:56 My one attempt at doing literate programming in org-mode ended badly: The woven output was terrible in several respects. 14:39:57 Liera` [~user@123.21.171.223] has joined #lisp 14:40:01 Areil` [~Areil@123.21.171.223] has joined #lisp 14:41:37 -!- Younder [~john@224.13.202.84.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:42:38 -!- Areil`` [~Areil@113.172.72.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:42:38 -!- Liera [~user@113.172.72.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:42:55 zomgbie [~jesus@85-127-5-211.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #lisp 14:43:05 nyef: well, I'm not sure about org-mode specifically, but classically the output of weave is not meant for us humans. 14:43:12 err wait 14:43:17 maybe I mean tangel 14:43:19 tangel 14:43:23 err tangle 14:43:26 Right, tangle isn't meant for humans. 14:43:36 Weave is the bit that's absolutely meant for humans. 14:44:15 sabalaba [~sabalaba@c-76-101-191-198.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:44:34 And the weave process was doing source-block substitution, which ruins the exposition, and the source code formatting had about four different options for ugly and none for decent. 14:46:34 tronador_ [~guille@190.145.89.146] has joined #lisp 14:49:01 Seems like maybe I will just ignore org-mode babel then and not bother 14:49:23 -!- Adlai [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:50:00 It's one of those things... it was actually a great environment to work in, prior to trying to deal with getting the code into lisp and getting a decent typeset document. 14:50:21 -!- flip214 [~marek@unaffiliated/flip214] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:50:47 Depending on what you're doing, it might work out well for you. 14:51:02 Or you might try clweb, which is kindof cool, but has a couple bugs of its own. 14:53:10 mmmm.. org-babel.. *drool* 14:53:15 -!- Harag [~Harag@wbs-41-208-211-15.wbs.co.za] has left #lisp 14:53:57 the value of a symbol can be another symbol? 14:54:18 and that symbol doesn't even have to be bound. 14:54:19 which value? 14:55:10 ZabaQ: Yes, that is, indeed, the case. 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15:58:32 dumrat: use paste.lisp.org instead. 15:58:33 ---->>>> 15:58:37 ah wait 15:59:12 so, you want to parse it first 15:59:16 -!- dkasak [~dkasak@78-1-151-154.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:59:19 minion: cxml? 15:59:20 cxml: Namespace-aware, validating XML parser with SAX and StAX-like interfaces. http://www.cliki.net/cxml 15:59:59 -!- juniorroy [~juniorroy@212.36.224.57] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:00:28 dumrat pasted "untitled" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/120053 16:00:47 http://paste.lisp.org/display/120053 16:00:53 !! 16:01:25 I want to know 16:01:25 dumrat: What have you tried? 16:01:29 hmm 16:01:42 I can try just string matching and handling each case 16:01:52 myu2 [~myu2@x108121.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has joined #lisp 16:02:46 to start off, I'd like to eliminate some of those strings. 16:02:54 like table and field 16:03:04 that doesn't seem like a hard problem 16:03:10 -!- rme [~rme@pool-70-106-131-61.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net] has left #lisp 16:03:25 once you've parsed xml 16:03:46 err 16:03:50 I used xmls 16:03:53 :p 16:04:27 -!- fisxoj [~fisxoj@cpe-24-59-205-231.twcny.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:04:30 -!- udzinari [~user@nat/ibm/x-kzaupuqfsvutxwzt] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:04:31 dumrat: You just want to do lookups into that data structure and output the syntax you want. 16:04:50 dumrat: And you want the name of the class to be "table"? not "entity_name"? 16:04:58 no no 16:05:04 it has to be entity name 16:05:17 dumrat: I agree, but that's not what you wrote. 16:05:35 :) 16:06:27 dumrat annotated #120053 "untitled" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/120053#1 16:07:00 dumrat: so, what problem do you have with doing it? 16:07:26 mmm 16:07:54 I want to know how to convert parts of definition into symbols 16:08:09 like "table" and "field" and "data_type" and so on 16:08:12 why do you need to convert it to symbols? 16:08:26 wouldn't it make it easier to preocess? 16:08:31 no 16:08:40 why 16:08:51 because i say so! 16:09:04 are u my mother? 16:09:08 :p 16:09:10 nyways 16:09:21 ill check this way then 16:09:35 symbols are string in a package, it wouldn't buy you anything 16:09:45 s/string/strings/ 16:09:52 ??? 16:09:59 s/string/strings? 16:11:20 daniel [~daniel@p5B326BE2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 16:11:31 felideon [~felideon@65.23.61.98.nw.nuvox.net] has joined #lisp 16:12:02 dumrat: It means substitute/thing I typed/thing I meant to type/ 16:12:06 GeneralMaximus [~general@122.173.234.208] has joined #lisp 16:12:11 M-% string RET strings RET 16:12:55 ah 16:13:13 thx 16:13:51 -!- Deesl [~bsdboy@unaffiliated/deesl] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 16:14:15 -!- daniel__ [~daniel@p5082A852.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:14:45 -!- konr [~user@187.106.38.65] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:15:35 -!- mgindulescu [~mircea@nat/nokia/x-yftpxbeprisudtpv] has left #lisp 16:17:35 think of % as swapping one 'o' for the other 'o' 16:17:36 :O 16:17:56 -!- yan_ [~yan@srtd.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:19:44 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 16:27:02 -!- am0c [~am0c@124.49.51.197] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:31:35 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:35:33 l4ndfo [~l4ndfo@S0106001cf0520ea3.ed.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 16:36:34 dkasak [~dkasak@78-1-151-154.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 16:36:53 -!- jdz [~jdz@193.206.22.97] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:38:06 Mekanik [~vov@91.79.113.40] has joined #lisp 16:38:48 -!- Joreji_ [~thomas@79-125.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:39:48 -!- GeneralMaximus [~general@122.173.234.208] has quit [Quit: See you in another life.] 16:40:48 -!- mcsontos [~mcsontos@nat/redhat/x-fymtvgefjifkscgf] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:42:55 dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 16:44:52 eleasah [~eleasah@ip208-103-38-36.dyn.mintel.net] has joined #lisp 16:53:08 aren't functions top-level data types ? 16:53:20 what does that mean? 16:53:58 can't i pass a function like a variable ? 16:54:23 a la Javascript 16:54:41 you can't pass variables 16:54:53 taylanub: Yes, you can pass a function as an argument. 16:55:04 mpereira [~murilo@201.82.50.37] has joined #lisp 16:56:11 *Xach* wonders if the next question will be about funcall 16:56:11 how does this work? i thought i couldn't have a function and variable of the same name. a function is a variable, in JS 16:56:21 taylanub: Think again. CL is not JS. 16:56:37 (i thought JS follows lisp in this) 16:56:45 taylanub: Nope. 16:56:46 Xach: That's what I was expecting, too  but we lost. 16:56:46 that sounds confused 16:56:49 research lisp-1 vs lisp-2 16:57:01 sellout: I feel like an implicit winner. 16:57:14 Xach: sellout: i'm probably even more of a noob than you guys think 16:57:15 *kencausey* mistook the channel 16:57:32 minion: please tell taylanub about PCL 16:57:33 taylanub: look at PCL: pcl-book: "Practical Common Lisp", an introduction to Common Lisp by Peter Seibel, available at http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/ and in dead-tree form from Apress (as of 11 April 2005). 16:57:35 -!- lispm [~lispm@d220164.adsl.hansenet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 16:57:39 unnoob yourself! 16:57:50 taylanub: I recommend reading a nice book about CL and try to avoid thinking "It's just like , right?" 16:57:59 stassats`: do they only count as variables if they're being addressed as such, as opposed to (devfar foo) (frob 'foo)? 16:58:28 sykopomp: that's only for special variables 16:58:47 yes. 16:59:27 and still, it's not passing a variable, it's passing the name of a variable 16:59:52 right, that's what I was wondering. 'name of a variable' it is. :) 17:00:03 Are there any packages to facilitate functional programming? 17:00:30 Alexandria, fset, fare-utils? 17:00:41 *sykopomp* uses Alexandria's function utilities heavily. 17:00:58 rpx__ [~rpx@138-180-109-153-rev.idiap.ch] has joined #lisp 17:01:03 -!- milkpost [~milkpost@dhcpw80ff661d.dynamic.uiowa.edu] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 17:01:07 -!- rins [~user@173-162-214-174-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 17:01:37 Hey guys, I am am totally stuck and need some help. Anyone that is good with flexi-streams or something similar 17:01:55 describe your problem 17:02:08 rpx__: I have done a few things with them. go ahead 17:02:18 Adlai [~Adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has joined #lisp 17:02:45 thanks :) Say you have a file, the first byte is a int that gives a number. Then you have to read the number of chars. 17:03:00 -!- ZabaQ [~Zaba@135.114-84-212.staticip.namesco.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:03:06 I have problems to understand how I can mix (nicely) between reading char and bytes 17:03:08 rpx__: what is the encoding? 17:03:28 flexi-streams has bivalent streams 17:03:33 So the encoding is mixed :( Between int, char and floats. The person who made the format must have been insain 17:03:42 rpx__: I mean, what encoding is used for the character data? 17:04:10 Ah,, so that is just chars (default ones) 17:04:33 rpx__: So funny dusty letters are not allowed? 17:04:34 So I am sure it is easy, but I keep hitting the wall 17:04:45 No mëtäl umlauts? 17:05:02 Xach: Nope,, just the offset is really messed up.. he mixes chars and bytes 17:05:02 (let ((string (make-string (read-byte stream)))) (read-sequence string) ...) 17:05:18 -!- TeMPOraL [~user@static-195-114-183-51.devs.futuro.pl] has quit [Quit: cya] 17:05:36 but you need to know in what units the size is 17:05:49 rpx__: Does it use ASCII as the encoding? 17:05:57 Jepp 17:06:02 (Yes) 17:06:05 or does it use latin-1, which is similar to ascii? 17:06:12 -!- nha [~prefect@imamac13.epfl.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:06:15 or koi8-r? 17:06:20 I think it is simple ascii 17:06:22 or utf-8, which is also similar to ascii (: 17:06:31 seangrove [~user@c-67-188-1-148.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:06:39 rpx__: When I find myself working with data like that, I usually use binary streams and use something like babel to convert vectors of octets into strings. 17:06:51 babel? 17:06:56 minion: babel? 17:06:57 babel: Babel is a character encoding/decoding library, not unlike GNU libiconv, but completely written in Common Lisp. http://www.cliki.net/babel 17:07:08 Ah, thanks,, 17:07:14 Of course, with just ascii, you could take your chances with code-char conversion. 17:07:29 -!- l4ndfo [~l4ndfo@S0106001cf0520ea3.ed.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:07:37 e.g. (map 'string 'code-char octet-vector) 17:07:39 So most of the stuff is just missalignments 17:08:09 The header has some "junk" that you have to get ride of,, but the number of chars is "changing" 17:08:28 So I have to be able to read both char and bytes "nicely" 17:08:53 The main goal is to read up floats later *dunking head in wall* 17:09:22 rpx__: All pretty easy. 17:09:30 -!- adu [~ajr@softbank220043139062.bbtec.net] has quit [Quit: adu] 17:09:58 Xach: If you just give me the frame I can try to work out the details. I don't want to waste your time 17:10:08 rpx__: I just did. 17:10:20 see: "When I find myself..." 17:10:37 Alright,, I will take all your advise and continue ! 17:11:00 I think gigamonkey's binary parsing library (and chapter in PCL) might also be helpful to you. Maybe. 17:11:15 Well I looked at it some 17:12:00 if you don't want to use flexistreams, then (let ((string (make-array (read-byte stream) :element-type '(unsigned-byte 8)))) (read-sequence string) (babel:octets-to-string string)) 17:12:02 But it seems a bit "hacky",, I was hoping to take the opportunity to learn more about streams 17:12:26 stassats`: I would love to use flexistreams but I fail to grasp the fundamental idea 17:13:04 flexistreams provides bivalent streams, streams from which you can read bytes and characters at the same time 17:13:12 dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has joined #lisp 17:14:31 Alright, I think i need to read more. But it should work with flexistreams 17:14:41 ZabaQ [~Zaba@135.114-84-212.staticip.namesco.net] has joined #lisp 17:15:07 adu [~ajr@softbank220043139062.bbtec.net] has joined #lisp 17:15:07 -!- greaver [~greaver@212.88.117.162] has quit [Quit: ~ Trillian Astra - www.trillian.im ~] 17:15:09 stassats`, Xach, antifuchs: Thanks guys ! 17:15:31 I will hit the docs ! Need to pick up the basics ! 17:15:44 -!- Amadiro [~Amadiro@1x-193-157-195-117.uio.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:16:35 Xach: And as always, I would be dead without quicklisp ! Thanks a lot ! 17:18:10 -!- rpx__ [~rpx@138-180-109-153-rev.idiap.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:18:12 -!- theBlackDragon [~dragon@83.101.63.252] has quit [Quit: Boom!] 17:19:04 *Xach* rattles his tip jar too late 17:19:48 -!- ZabaQ [~Zaba@135.114-84-212.staticip.namesco.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:20:56 Bronsa [~brace@host235-175-dynamic.17-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 17:21:46 ZabaQ [~Zaba@135.114-84-212.staticip.namesco.net] has joined #lisp 17:23:10 gozoner_ [~ebg@dhcp-137-79-177-170.jpl.nasa.gov] has joined #lisp 17:23:25 -!- gozoner_ [~ebg@dhcp-137-79-177-170.jpl.nasa.gov] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:23:26 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-99-183-243-127.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:23:48 -!- ignas [~ignas@78-60-36-123.static.zebra.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:24:00 gozoner_ [~ebg@ebg-10004083621.jpl.nasa.gov] has joined #lisp 17:24:10 -!- gozoner [~ebg@ebg-10004083621.jpl.nasa.gov] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:27:03 milkpost [~milkpost@dhcpw80ffc278.dynamic.uiowa.edu] has joined #lisp 17:28:51 -!- qebab [~robb@jaguar.stud.ntnu.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:28:59 qebab [~robb@jaguar.stud.ntnu.no] has joined #lisp 17:29:36 -!- kirkwood [~user@c-24-17-10-251.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:31:38 homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-183-250.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 17:32:04 -!- felideon [~felideon@65.23.61.98.nw.nuvox.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 17:32:33 -!- e-user [~akahl@192.100.120.41] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:32:50 -!- homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-183-250.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:33:26 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-160-126.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:33:39 are you getting any contributions from lw, franz, clozure, ita, etc? 17:34:33 slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-99-183-243-127.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 17:35:08 dralston [~dralston@S0106687f74a12729.va.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 17:35:26 Yes, to varying degrees. Franz have donated licenses and cash. LispWorks are donating licenses. 17:35:39 Individual users have been very generous. 17:36:07 *Xach* just ordered a Windows 7 test workstation funded by user donations 17:36:19 And Clozure added (LOAD "http://") ;) 17:36:43 astoon [~astoon@109.188.236.111] has joined #lisp 17:36:58 aka custom gaming rig? <-; 17:37:18 antifuchs: I'm still not sold on this damn homebrew thing: "Error: No available formula for gimp" 17:37:32 It's an HP with integrated intel graphics, so I don't think it'll be much of a game machine... 17:37:36 and it would have been helpful if they chose a more google-friendly name 17:37:45 slyrus: hm, isn't there a gimp app bundle distribution out there? 17:38:05 maybe, but sudo port install gimp is a lot easier than tracking that down :) 17:38:10 yeah, that's a bit annoying. the whole beer theme makes stuff hard to google 17:38:13 Xach: did Microsoft donate a license? 17:38:22 haha 17:38:30 Xach: too bad! (: 17:38:50 stassats`: I didn't ask. 17:38:52 seriously though, it's pretty amazing what the lisp user base can do to support cool projects 17:39:58 Xach: didn't there used to be a donate button on the ql pages? 17:40:05 antifuchs: Linked from the FAQ 17:40:26 There was a quote floating around a while back about how no matter how much you do, Lisp users won't appreciate it, but that hasn't been my experience. 17:40:58 l4ndfo [~l4ndfo@uwsclient-142-85.uws.ualberta.ca] has joined #lisp 17:41:28 *stassats`* agrees 17:41:31 Xach: you should make it more prominent (: 17:43:21 (also, I've finally donated. maybe that'll get me on the christmas card list this year (-8) 17:43:56 Yay, I get to use cheap American postage for the thank-you card! 17:44:04 tee hee 17:44:18 Oi, you forgot to include an address. Email it to me if you want a card. 17:44:27 cesarbp [~chatzilla@189.247.134.6] has joined #lisp 17:44:32 oh, thought that paypal does that automatically? 17:44:36 I shall email 17:45:52 I think you have to check a box somewhere to have it include your shipping address. 17:45:58 -!- waaaaargh [~waaaaargh@agsb-4d049372.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 17:46:02 ah, I see 17:46:04 yeah, that would be it 17:46:32 waaaaargh [~waaaaargh@agsb-4d049372.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 17:46:38 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-99-183-243-127.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:49:29 -!- astoon [~astoon@109.188.236.111] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:49:34 -!- milkpost [~milkpost@dhcpw80ffc278.dynamic.uiowa.edu] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 17:51:21 -!- em [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:54:16 kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 17:54:36 -!- splittist [~splittist@14-134.1-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 17:55:34 -!- tronador_ [~guille@190.145.89.146] has quit [Quit: tronador_] 17:55:36 em [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has joined #lisp 17:56:53 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:56:53 -!- Bronsa [~brace@host235-175-dynamic.17-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:58:00 Bronsa [~brace@host235-175-dynamic.17-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 17:58:32 ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@122.169.89.93] has joined #lisp 17:58:32 -!- ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@122.169.89.93] has quit [Changing host] 17:58:32 ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has joined #lisp 18:00:23 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 18:00:59 -!- lanthan_afh [~ze@p50992b91.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 18:01:31 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 18:02:14 milkpost [~milkpost@dhcpw80ffc278.dynamic.uiowa.edu] has joined #lisp 18:04:28 -!- em [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:04:28 -!- kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:04:46 em [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has joined #lisp 18:07:23 -!- Ralith [~ralith@S010600221561996a.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:08:13 corruptmemory [~jim@96.246.167.18] has joined #lisp 18:09:03 juniorroy [~juniorroy@212.36.224.57] has joined #lisp 18:09:34 -!- tcr [~tcr@217-162-207-164.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:12:59 Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has joined #lisp 18:13:31 kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 18:13:34 -!- Mekanik [~vov@91.79.113.40] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.4] 18:16:08 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:17:02 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-215-117-46.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:18:28 -!- kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:18:32 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 18:19:04 anyone doing macro assembly through lisp, JPL-style? Got some hints about possible embedded work... 18:20:01 lispm [~lispm@d220164.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #lisp 18:23:39 -!- milkpost [~milkpost@dhcpw80ffc278.dynamic.uiowa.edu] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 18:26:23 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181058025.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:26:38 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-183-250.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 18:29:54 jewel [~jewel@196-215-16-165.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 18:32:15 sbcl? 18:32:22 -!- juniorroy [~juniorroy@212.36.224.57] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:33:38 p_l|backup: What's jpl-style? 18:33:38 eugu_ [~Miranda@213.141.157.147] has joined #lisp 18:34:26 Xach: they used Lisp to prototype and build code to run on machines incapable of supporting a whole Lisp runtime, as well as building ones that had full remote REPL (infamous Deep Space 1) 18:34:31 -!- tfb [~tfb@94.197.49.110.threembb.co.uk] has quit [Quit: sleeping] 18:35:33 basically, writing tools in Lisp, then using DSLs to generate final binary 18:36:26 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-183-250.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 18:38:15 -!- yvdriess [~Beef@soft85.vub.ac.be] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:39:17 -!- seangrove [~user@c-67-188-1-148.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:39:19 -!- Atomsk is now known as ace4016 18:39:49 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-183-250.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 18:42:58 -!- eleasah [~eleasah@ip208-103-38-36.dyn.mintel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:43:58 (Deep Space 1: Eight more to go!) 18:44:08 hello 18:44:12 Ragnaroek [5b0c40ac@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.12.64.172] has joined #lisp 18:44:12 guys 18:44:21 nyef: heh 18:44:38 p_l|backup: what is your target? 18:44:43 jdz [~jdz@host67-104-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 18:45:32 milkpost [~milkpost@dhcpw80ffc278.dynamic.uiowa.edu] has joined #lisp