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Is it better to constuct a relationship functionally via lambda expressions '#'is-parent', or store a discreet list of related objects? The later seems to involve more bookeeping. 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pinkwerks [~pinkwerks@cpe-74-68-129-122.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:09:24 dolovor [~dolovor@94.55.217.211] has joined #lisp 07:11:03 kae [~dsa@ext02.gsp.se] has joined #lisp 07:13:40 trebor_dki [~user@mail.dki.tu-darmstadt.de] has joined #lisp 07:14:49 -!- dolovor [~dolovor@94.55.217.211] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:15:37 Liera [~user@113.172.33.211] has joined #lisp 07:17:45 -!- Liera [~user@113.172.33.211] has quit [Client Quit] 07:18:20 flip214 [~marek@2001:858:107:1:baac:6fff:fe6b:9183] has joined #lisp 07:19:15 -!- sbahra [~sbahra@pool-74-106-252-24.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: sbahra] 07:20:09 Is there a way to get a unique value for a CONS cell (eg. the address), like it's done for structs ? I'm aware that it could change because of gc, just need that for debugging. SBCL only would be ok. 07:34:41 Genieliu [~genie@59.78.62.120] has joined #lisp 07:36:40 mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 07:37:00 good morning 07:37:16 RaceCondition [~RaceCondi@82.131.61.203.cable.starman.ee] has joined #lisp 07:47:57 -!- Sluggo [~user@c-75-64-77-87.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:51:10 rien [~unkanon@dyn-160-39-34-114.dyn.columbia.edu] has joined #lisp 08:01:10 Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has joined #lisp 08:17:14 mahata [~mahata@e0109-49-132-2-86.uqwimax.jp] has joined #lisp 08:17:14 beach` [~user@116.118.8.178] has joined #lisp 08:18:40 -!- beach [~user@116.118.72.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:19:31 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-143-239.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 08:20:59 loxs [~loxs@213.169.45.106] has joined #lisp 08:22:51 -!- loxs [~loxs@213.169.45.106] has quit [Client Quit] 08:24:16 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@85-18-55-37.ip.fastwebnet.it] has 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Try #scheme. 08:28:44 xvilka: What did you think you were doing when you typed that? 08:29:37 -!- pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 08:29:37 looks like i'm not enabled some modules, but dont know which 08:29:37 -!- dolovor [~dolovor@94.55.217.211] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:29:40 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has joined #lisp 08:29:46 drl [~lat@125.167.140.159] has joined #lisp 08:30:02 xvilka: Again, what result did you expect? 08:30:19 imv [~imv@94.231.123.31] has joined #lisp 08:30:52 -!- imv is now known as ymv 08:31:19 -!- srcerer [~chatzilla@dns2.klsairexpress.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:31:29 hello spiaggia 08:31:37 Hey mvilleneuve. 08:35:45 dolovor [~dolovor@94.55.217.211] has joined #lisp 08:36:10 -!- ch077179 [~urs@adsl-84-227-113-22.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 08:36:13 morphling [~stefan@gssn-4d00242f.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 08:36:17 ch077179 [~urs@adsl-84-227-113-22.adslplus.ch] has joined #lisp 08:37:12 *spiaggia* is always baffled by "black-hole" askers for help. 08:37:15 -!- ymv [~imv@94.231.123.31] has quit [Quit: Changing server] 08:37:41 spiaggia: i'm already asked on #scheme - no any activity 08:39:02 ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@nat/redhat-us/x-ukmmzdggwkmjnxfn] has joined #lisp 08:39:02 -!- ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@nat/redhat-us/x-ukmmzdggwkmjnxfn] has quit [Changing host] 08:39:02 ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has joined #lisp 08:39:13 spiaggia: this is from not my code - i'm compiling tiny scheme implementation. and i think that this is only define ~ as operator, but dont know what is it 08:39:57 -!- dolovor [~dolovor@94.55.217.211] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:42:10 imv [~imv@94.231.123.31] has joined #lisp 08:42:39 -!- imv is now known as ymv 08:42:45 -!- xyxxyyy [~xyxu@58.41.3.207] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:43:50 -!- drl [~lat@125.167.140.159] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:44:33 Demosthenes [~demo@12.155.211.107] has joined #lisp 08:44:39 ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has joined #lisp 08:45:20 i'm only know that ~ used only in format expressions. but not find any other value 08:45:43 -!- silentbicycle [~scott@99-55-246-143.lightspeed.gdrpmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:45:48 insomnia1alt [~milan@port-92-204-28-104.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 08:47:18 The IRC log at ccl.clozure.com has stopped a few hours ago ... can anyone help? 08:47:28 -!- pavelludiq [57f63ac1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.246.58.193] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:48:08 spiaggia: btw just checked in sbcl - `(define ~ ,~) give the same result - undefined variable... 08:49:03 -!- insomniaSalt [~milan@port-92-204-36-190.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:49:12 xvilka: Right, you are building a list of three elements, the symbol define, the symbol ~ and the value of the variable ~, but since you haven't given ~ any value, it is undefined. 08:51:18 ramkrsna_ [~ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-zombcxvkmfavhyrq] has joined #lisp 08:51:40 pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has joined #lisp 08:52:09 -!- ramkrsna_ [~ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-zombcxvkmfavhyrq] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:54:19 yes, i'm understand that, but author dont write about any special needs for compiling - so i think may be i'm dont load one of standard modules, which already define ~ 08:55:04 -!- ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:56:22 -!- Krystof [~csr21@csrhodes.plus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:01:11 splittist [~John@19-63.203-62.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #lisp 09:01:14 morning 09:03:30 HET2 [~diman@cpc1-cdif12-2-0-cust125.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 09:03:44 oh, found - he is declared "~" in it's source code. so it can compile itself... but i'm already seen in some gentoo ebuild that it can be compiled with guile... 09:04:34 Is there a way to get a unique value for a CONS cell (eg. the address), like it's done for structs ? I'm aware that it could change because of gc, just need that for debugging. SBCL only would be ok. 09:04:42 this is bitwise procedure like an & and | 09:05:15 carlocci [~nes@93.37.216.117] has joined #lisp 09:08:24 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-152-89.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:09:54 chrnybo [~user@148.122.202.244] has joined #lisp 09:10:21 varjag [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has joined #lisp 09:11:44 drl [~lat@125.167.140.159] has joined #lisp 09:13:15 longshot [~longshot@174.36.149.237-static.reverse.softlayer.com] has joined #lisp 09:14:27 Hun [~Hun@host-80-81-19-29.customer.m-online.net] has joined #lisp 09:14:41 Phoodus [~foo@ip68-231-47-70.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 09:16:18 -!- ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:17:25 -!- thmzlt [~thomaz@24-217-48-63.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:19:24 loxs [~loxs@213.169.45.106] has joined #lisp 09:20:31 -!- ianmcorvidae|alt is now known as ianmcorvidae 09:21:15 flip214: what are you trying to do? 09:21:19 -!- drl [~lat@125.167.140.159] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:24:30 This was for debugging purposes... I've got a circular list, and wanted to find an element in there. During debugging I wanted to see on which CONS I'm at, so I'd like to print an ID or address of it ... 09:24:53 I solved that via printing (eq item expected), but I'm still curious whethere there's some way 09:25:06 structures and classes get printed with their address too. 09:27:55 ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-ynbqtyctkgkrkqdd] has joined #lisp 09:27:55 -!- ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-ynbqtyctkgkrkqdd] has quit [Changing host] 09:27:55 ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has joined #lisp 09:28:05 flip214: I don't know the answer, but the way I'd try to find out is by repeatedly C-.ing, starting on print-object, until you find the code that finds the address of a class/struct. 09:28:16 it will be impl-dependent, of course, but it sounds like that doesn't matter here 09:29:40 Ralith, thank 09:29:45 *you 09:30:04 -!- mega1 [~quassel@catv4E5CABA2.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:30:46 -!- myu2 [~myu2@58x5x224x106.ap58.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:32:07 mega1 [~quassel@catv4E5CABA2.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #lisp 09:33:14 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.181] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:33:55 -!- rien [~unkanon@dyn-160-39-34-114.dyn.columbia.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:34:25 rien [~unkanon@dyn-160-39-34-114.dyn.columbia.edu] has joined #lisp 09:34:36 -!- Genieliu [~genie@59.78.62.120] has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:35:55 drl [~lat@125.167.140.159] has joined #lisp 09:36:05 -!- Vicfred [~Vicfred@189.143.234.31] has quit [Quit: ] 09:41:52 longshot_ [~longshot@180.184.10.141] has joined #lisp 09:43:19 -!- longshot [~longshot@174.36.149.237-static.reverse.softlayer.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:43:19 -!- longshot_ is now known as longshot 09:44:25 flip214: do you really need to see the address, or you just want to check whether some cons cell is the same as the one you have seen previously? 09:44:54 flip214: if the latter, you can just store the cons cell somewhere, and later check with EQ to the other cell in question 09:44:57 well, the same I could check with eq ... 09:45:26 i just can't see the point of wanting the address, because it _will_ change 09:45:44 there's a function that will print the address... 09:45:48 (at least in SBCL) 09:46:10 poke around the options to print-unreadable-object 09:46:26 jdz: I think he wants to do eq-comparison by eye. 09:46:29 which is reasonable. 09:46:41 yeah, the :identity keyword param 09:47:27 so printing the :identity t along with the car might be what you're looking for 09:48:50 I've used that when I basically have placeholder objects with no state, but want to see which particular object is being held, in comparison to others 09:49:26 -!- __hramrach [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/hramrach] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:49:30 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-152-89.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 09:50:12 -!- beach` is now known as beach 09:50:57 __hramrach [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/hramrach] has joined #lisp 09:52:14 -!- xvilka [~xvilka@109.170.106.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:54:14 flip214: http://paste.lisp.org/display/118789 09:55:23 Krystof [~csr21@158.223.51.76] has joined #lisp 09:55:42 Phoodus, thank you very much! I'll add that to my snippets list. 09:55:45 -!- Ralith [~ralith@S010600221561996a.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:56:06 Ralith [~ralith@S010600221561996a.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 09:56:06 ymmv between different lisp implementations, but the general idea of identity should still apply 09:56:17 dstatyvka [ejabberd@pepelaz.jabber.od.ua] has joined #lisp 09:57:07 -!- dto1 [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:59:03 xvilka [~xvilka@109.170.106.227] has joined #lisp 09:59:19 angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.181] has joined #lisp 09:59:58 -!- Demosthenes [~demo@12.155.211.107] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:00:41 xan_ [~xan@129.131.117.91.dynamic.mundo-r.com] has joined #lisp 10:01:42 -!- Krystof [~csr21@158.223.51.76] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:07:44 H4ns` [~user@pD4B9E61D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 10:08:15 -!- freiksenet [~freiksene@hy-ovpn2-6.vpn.helsinki.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:09:17 hello lispers :) 10:11:18 -!- H4ns [~user@pD4B9EB94.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:14:45 hello fe[nl]ix 10:15:38 hi beach 10:17:19 -!- H4ns` is now known as H4ns 10:20:17 kenjin2201 [~kenjin@218.235.8.175] has joined #lisp 10:22:56 pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159852.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has joined #lisp 10:23:23 -!- SpitfireWP [~Spitfire@wikipedia/spitfire] has quit [Quit: It's getting dark, too dark to see] 10:23:40 I think I might have asked this before, but given the branching in special variable dereferences to see if it hits TLS vs global, there's sb-ext:defglobal, but is there any sort of thread-local variable declaration? 10:27:02 -!- HG` [~HG@xdsl-92-252-108-141.dip.osnanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:28:45 Athas [~athas@130.225.165.35] has joined #lisp 10:29:17 -!- Ralith [~ralith@S010600221561996a.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:29:43 Ralith [~ralith@S010600221561996a.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 10:32:13 -!- kanru [~kanru@kanru-1-pt.tunnel.tserv15.lax1.ipv6.he.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2] 10:32:16 HG` [~HG@xdsl-92-252-81-150.dip.osnanet.de] has joined #lisp 10:33:00 Yuuhi [benni@p5483A270.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 10:34:10 -!- xan_ [~xan@129.131.117.91.dynamic.mundo-r.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:36:04 SpitfireWP [~Spitfire@wikipedia/spitfire] has joined #lisp 10:41:02 ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has joined #lisp 10:42:27 freiksenet [~freiksene@hy-ovpn2-6.vpn.helsinki.fi] has joined #lisp 10:44:24 ZabaQ [~john.conn@213.246.126.172] has joined #lisp 10:44:59 mrSpec [~Spec@89-75-35-251.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #lisp 10:44:59 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@89-75-35-251.dynamic.chello.pl] has quit [Changing host] 10:44:59 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 10:47:59 schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #lisp 10:48:39 leo2007 [~leo@121.207.108.24] has joined #lisp 10:50:21 -!- leo2007 [~leo@121.207.108.24] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:50:59 -!- drl [~lat@125.167.140.159] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:51:55 Phoodus: what would that do on unbound values? 10:53:17 Odin- [~sbkhh@s121-302.gardur.hi.is] has joined #lisp 10:58:51 jtza8 [~jtza8@iburst-41-213-65-178.iburst.co.za] has joined #lisp 11:00:00 tcr1 [~tcr@213.55.131.17] has joined #lisp 11:00:29 H4ns: Hi! Are you here? 11:00:38 tcr1: ack 11:02:13 hargettp [~hargettp@pool-71-184-177-218.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 11:05:41 kanru [~kanru@kanru-1-pt.tunnel.tserv15.lax1.ipv6.he.net] has joined #lisp 11:11:19 billitch [~billitch@men75-12-88-183-197-206.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 11:14:00 valium97582 [~daniel@187.35.233.181] has joined #lisp 11:15:50 zomgbie [~jesus@h081217131002.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has joined #lisp 11:21:34 brodo [~brodo@p5B02317C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 11:21:50 -!- ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:22:11 mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.236.252] has joined #lisp 11:22:48 -!- pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159852.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:22:57 -!- kencausey2 is now known as kencausey 11:23:40 leo2007 [~leo@121.207.108.24] has joined #lisp 11:24:41 -!- mahata [~mahata@e0109-49-132-2-86.uqwimax.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:28:15 lonesomerider [~lonesomer@188.123.252.26] has joined #lisp 11:31:38 -!- spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-qmxvupltvegzykzb] has left #lisp 11:34:09 -!- echo-area [~user@114.251.86.0] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:38:45 statonjr [~statonjr@cpe-071-075-085-085.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 11:41:04 pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159852.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has joined #lisp 11:41:58 -!- phadthai [mmondor@ginseng.pulsar-zone.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:42:51 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@iburst-41-213-65-178.iburst.co.za] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 11:42:58 dfkjjkfd [~paulh@210-11-ftth.onsnetstudenten.nl] has joined #lisp 11:44:43 -!- tcr1 [~tcr@213.55.131.17] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:49:41 lrh9 [~Larry_Ray@1Cust3785.an2.rdu6.da.uu.net] has joined #lisp 11:50:04 -!- lrh9 [~Larry_Ray@1Cust3785.an2.rdu6.da.uu.net] has left #lisp 11:55:44 gemelen [~shelta@shpd-95-53-183-205.vologda.ru] has joined #lisp 11:57:52 -!- leo2007 [~leo@121.207.108.24] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:00:06 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 12:01:27 Krystof [~csr21@158.223.51.76] has joined #lisp 12:01:35 jao [~user@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has joined #lisp 12:05:53 EarlGray [~dmytrish@193.84.77.22] has joined #lisp 12:09:14 leo2007 [~leo@121.207.108.24] has joined #lisp 12:10:43 -!- freiksenet [~freiksene@hy-ovpn2-6.vpn.helsinki.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:13:44 sykopomp [~sykopomp@crlspr-24.233.190.221.myacc.net] has joined #lisp 12:15:33 ramkrsna_ [~ramkrsna@nat/redhat-us/x-aicflswwzddoawpj] has joined #lisp 12:15:50 -!- sellout [~greg@c-24-61-13-161.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:17:28 prljavi_hari [~h@dh207-34-237.xnet.hr] has joined #lisp 12:19:10 -!- ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:19:44 How to download cl-mysql from git ? I have a link: https://github.com/hackinghat/cl-mysql.git but I don't know how 12:19:53 -!- longshot [~longshot@180.184.10.141] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:20:03 prljavi_hari: git clone https://github.com/hackinghat/cl-mysql.git 12:20:12 ok 12:21:05 Joreji [~thomas@75-186.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 12:21:07 freiksenet [~freiksene@hy-ovpn2-6.vpn.helsinki.fi] has joined #lisp 12:22:28 -!- brodo [~brodo@p5B02317C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: brodo] 12:23:13 -!- prljavi_hari [~h@dh207-34-237.xnet.hr] has left #lisp 12:24:40 ramkrsna__ [~ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-foyvhawdcjdmfnel] has joined #lisp 12:25:25 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 12:26:14 longshot [~longshot@174.36.149.237-static.reverse.softlayer.com] has joined #lisp 12:28:40 -!- ramkrsna_ [~ramkrsna@nat/redhat-us/x-aicflswwzddoawpj] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:30:27 tritchey [~tritchey@c-68-51-118-114.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:30:29 -!- tritchey [~tritchey@c-68-51-118-114.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:30:35 brickhazel [~brickhaze@63-144-132-78.dia.static.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 12:30:37 tritchey [~tritchey@c-68-51-118-114.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:31:19 mstevens [~mstevens@89.145.84.152] has joined #lisp 12:31:19 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@89.145.84.152] has quit [Changing host] 12:31:19 mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #lisp 12:32:59 -!- sabalaba [~sabalaba@c-71-227-118-15.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:37:43 -!- hargettp [~hargettp@pool-71-184-177-218.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 12:38:41 ignas [~ignas@78-60-36-123.static.zebra.lt] has joined #lisp 12:38:52 -!- ramkrsna__ [~ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-foyvhawdcjdmfnel] has quit [Quit: Quit] 12:39:57 ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has joined #lisp 12:40:53 felipe [~felipe@unaffiliated/felipe] has joined #lisp 12:42:27 -!- ZabaQ [~john.conn@213.246.126.172] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:51:05 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:55:48 Good morning 12:55:52 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-143-239.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:57:14 -!- Odin- [~sbkhh@s121-302.gardur.hi.is] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:01:19 misterncw [~misterncw@82.71.241.25] has joined #lisp 13:02:25 drdo: morning 13:02:33 -!- zomgbie [~jesus@h081217131002.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:03:11 adamvh [~adamvh@adsl-99-103-186-186.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 13:05:04 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-223-208.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:05:48 -!- __hramrach [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/hramrach] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:06:09 -!- loxs [~loxs@213.169.45.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:06:15 Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-223-208.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:06:44 ramkrsna_ [~ramkrsna@nat/redhat-us/x-xjnqevsagtgczbpi] has joined #lisp 13:06:54 sellout [~greg@gw3.tacwap.org] has joined #lisp 13:07:06 __hramrach [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/hramrach] has joined #lisp 13:07:10 urandom__ [~user@p548A6CDC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 13:07:29 mahata [~mahata@e0109-49-132-2-86.uqwimax.jp] has joined #lisp 13:08:31 jweiss_ [~jweiss@cpe-069-134-009-048.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 13:10:17 -!- ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:10:33 ramkrsna__ [~ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-kzpwyfnopzxzulha] has joined #lisp 13:12:04 myu2 [~myu2@v077103.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has joined #lisp 13:13:57 -!- ramkrsna_ [~ramkrsna@nat/redhat-us/x-xjnqevsagtgczbpi] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:14:59 juniorroy [~juniorroy@212.36.224.57] has joined #lisp 13:15:23 sabalaba [~sabalaba@67-194-23-156.wireless.umnet.umich.edu] has joined #lisp 13:19:18 -!- carlocci [~nes@93.37.216.117] has quit [Quit: eventually IE will rot and die] 13:21:11 dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-89-201.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lisp 13:21:21 kiuma [~kiuma@85-18-55-37.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 13:24:02 xan_ [~xan@129.131.117.91.dynamic.mundo-r.com] has joined #lisp 13:35:55 -!- leo2007 [~leo@121.207.108.24] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.2.91.1] 13:36:58 -!- krl [~krl@rymdkoloni.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:37:05 krl [~krl@rymdkoloni.se] has joined #lisp 13:37:20 ZabaQ [~john.conn@18.83-246-213.ippool.namesco.net] has joined #lisp 13:39:16 -!- Joreji [~thomas@75-186.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:40:40 -!- statonjr [~statonjr@cpe-071-075-085-085.carolina.res.rr.com] has left #lisp 13:46:44 twem2 [~twem2@puma-mxisp.mxtelecom.com] has joined #lisp 13:48:25 What's the name of the channel for the common-lisp.net admins? 13:48:59 -!- neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.232] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 13:49:15 rtoym: #tech.coop 13:49:47 fe[nl]ix: Thanks. 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[df] ocharles metasyntax timchen1` ineiros Patzy dcrawford The_Fellow zc00gii Khisanth ramus ecraven bfein njan karbak v0|d mal__ peddie stepnem Bucciarati 36DAA07FI lorenz NNshag adeht 11:21:43 -!- names: baggles derrotebaron seejay jsnell tomaw 11:21:56 -!- apox [apox@scorn.csh.rit.edu] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 11:22:28 apox_ [apox@scorn.csh.rit.edu] has joined #lisp 11:22:59 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has quit [Excess Flood] 11:23:51 -!- lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:25:02 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has joined #lisp 11:26:53 but I have no idea how to go about doing that, very much a lisp novice 11:27:05 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:30:17 -!- hargettp [~hargettp@96.237.127.144] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 11:30:22 -!- spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-kjldypzobphgzggp] has left #lisp 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(not that these are mutually exclusive) 11:57:47 there is a cl one, I'm not quite sure what I want exactly :-) 11:58:11 -!- varjag [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 11:58:46 pato [~quack@bl15-159-185.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 12:00:42 Wraithan [~wraithan@206.125.170.2] has joined #lisp 12:01:14 Krystof [~csr21@csrhodes.plus.com] has joined #lisp 12:02:04 -!- quack [~quack@2.82.30.158] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:06:59 -!- RaceCondition [~RaceCondi@82.131.61.203.cable.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 12:07:38 -!- freiksenet [~freiksene@hy-ovpn2-97.vpn.helsinki.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:10:11 Liera` [~user@123.21.164.173] has joined #lisp 12:11:20 -!- Liera [~user@113.172.54.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:12:23 carlocci [~nes@93.37.195.155] has joined #lisp 12:13:45 Liera`` [~user@113.172.54.31] has joined #lisp 12:15:03 tcr1: where is the cl one? 12:16:17 -!- Liera` [~user@123.21.164.173] has 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I don't think it was very good. 13:34:31 I actually gave to live audience a couple of times before that and it went much better. 13:34:35 *gave it 13:39:53 blinda [~blinda@77.43.6.114] has joined #lisp 13:40:01 hi 13:40:12 mega1: I'm just finishing listening to it. I enjoyed it. (There were a couple of places you were pausing for the audience laugh... (: ) 13:40:52 I'm not a gifted presenter and being cut off from any feedback is terrible. 13:41:05 -!- zickzackv [~zickzackv@port-92-198-30-130.static.qsc.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:41:33 hi 13:42:41 ferada [~user@g224098081.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 13:43:00 please help! I'm trying to get binary messages with variable length from a serial port, how can I loop to get those characters? Tx 13:43:20 like read() from c/c++ 13:43:31 LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #lisp 13:43:37 -!- Gobbo2 [~Gobbo@202.0.57.154] has quit [] 13:45:07 blinda: you could use loop and read-byte. 13:45:12 blinda: or read-sequence. 13:45:16 mega1: it wasn't a criticism. You talked engagingly about a topic you know and like. It doesn't get better than that. (For those who might be tempted to skip it because of mega1's modesty.) 13:45:28 Xach: yes, but how, I'm going to show my read-function, please help :) 13:45:52 blinda: open the device, (loop for byte = (read-byte stream nil) while byte do ) 13:45:53 splittist: I'm not modest :-) 13:46:17 ... just spoke my mind on this. 13:46:22 -!- amb007 [~a_bakic@68.17.97-84.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:46:33 Xach: http://paste.lisp.org/display/118959 13:46:50 Xach: input is non-blocking 13:47:22 Xach: because I don't know when characters would be sent back to PC 13:47:27 blinda: if fd is a stream, you can use (read-sequence message fd) 13:47:41 Xach: fd is a stream 13:47:52 Well, there you go. 13:48:14 amb007 [~a_bakic@68.17.97-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #lisp 13:48:23 Xach: then I'm trying to store data in an array, but I need to use a struct-like form to extract data 13:48:33 Xach: so I defined a class 13:48:39 blinda: Ok, well, there you go. 13:49:03 how can I fill a class-defied var using read? 13:49:34 blinda: You don't need to. You can fill an array and then look at the items in the array to initialize slots in your instance. 13:49:46 Xach: like in c/c++ 13:50:03 Xach: a hand made serialization? 13:50:16 blinda: Sure. 13:50:33 Xach: so, message dimension is the third byte... 13:50:49 I've to loop for this value to read all data 13:51:15 -!- ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Quit: Quit] 13:51:48 There's nothing magical. Just do that, then. 13:51:53 ok 13:51:57 let's try it 13:52:27 -!- blinda [~blinda@77.43.6.114] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:52:37 blinda: You can see examples of reading structured binary data in a lot of projects, e.g. postmodern or png-read or skippy. 13:52:56 blinda [~blinda@77.43.6.114] has joined #lisp 13:53:03 Xach: ok 13:53:22 -!- nha [~prefect@imamac13.epfl.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:00:02 -!- astoon [~astoon@109.188.251.9] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:00:08 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@wbs-41-208-220-181.wbs.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:00:20 mega1: yes 14:00:20 -!- tcr1 [~tcr@217-162-131-235.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 14:00:24 tcr2 [~tcr@217-162-131-235.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 14:00:28 -!- kencausey2 is now known as kencausey 14:01:04 cool, I'm wondering if you can do 'tail -f' with epoll or similar (can't find it in the docs) or you need inotify? 14:02:19 jtza8 [~jtza8@wbs-196-2-119-12.wbs.co.za] has joined #lisp 14:02:58 just look with ftell or fstat 14:03:06 and delays ... that's how tail -f works, too 14:03:28 <_8david> inotify is needed 14:03:36 <_8david> see inotail, which implements that 14:03:36 mega1: I have no idea whether epoll should work, but inotify seems the best option here 14:03:38 -!- tcr2 [~tcr@217-162-131-235.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:03:53 tcr1 [~tcr@217-162-131-235.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 14:05:18 _8david: thanks, that confirms it 14:05:31 fe[nl]ix: now you only need to implement it in iolib 14:05:34 portably :-) 14:05:44 Demosthenes [~demo@206.180.155.43.adsl.hal-pc.org] has joined #lisp 14:06:20 -!- flip214 [~marek@unaffiliated/flip214] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:08:49 mega1: it's on the TODO, but not very high 14:10:19 the portability part would be a pain though, wouldn't it? 14:11:04 depends what you mean by "portable" in this context 14:11:46 using inotify across FFIs, or implementing a file-monitor API on top of inotify and kqueue and /dev/poll, etc... 14:11:46 well, provide a portable api for watching files for changes 14:13:13 I've investigated those APIs superficially in the past, and it seems quite complicated to come up with something portable *and* useful 14:13:14 Xach: please is there any bit shifting instruction? :) 14:13:34 blinda: ldb 14:13:39 fe[nl]ix: ok, thank you 14:13:45 dlowe: tx 14:14:14 blinda: ash too 14:15:52 blinda: ash 14:16:02 Xach: tx 14:16:07 Good evening everyone! 14:16:20 *Xach* does not think of ldb as a bit shifting operation, but maybe that's just point of view 14:16:47 *dlowe* wasn't being intelligent. 14:17:22 hi beach 14:17:48 freiksenet [~freiksene@cs181130165.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 14:18:17 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 14:18:49 nha [~prefect@imamac13.epfl.ch] has joined #lisp 14:19:50 Xach: will read-sequence wait for the serial to receve all characters of the sequence itself? 14:20:07 blinda: usually, yes. 14:20:07 Xach: or will it fill only the received characters? 14:20:20 flip214 [~marek@2001:858:107:1:baac:6fff:fe6b:9183] has joined #lisp 14:20:20 -!- flip214 [~marek@2001:858:107:1:baac:6fff:fe6b:9183] has quit [Changing host] 14:20:20 flip214 [~marek@unaffiliated/flip214] has joined #lisp 14:20:23 Xach: my sequence has got variable length 14:20:25 blinda: there is no standard provision for reading less. 14:20:31 blinda: then read one byte at a time. 14:20:44 blinda: or use extra-standard features. 14:21:01 Xach: extra-standard? 14:21:18 corruptmemory [~jim@ool-18bbd5b2.static.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 14:21:20 You can use the :end keyword with read-sequence if you want to limit the number of bytes read 14:21:41 blinda: something implementation-specific. 14:22:14 http://clhs.lisp.se/Body/f_rd_seq.htm 14:22:37 Xach: seems that the sequence may not be filled 14:22:48 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-78-231-109.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 14:23:17 I mean this: there isn't a way, with read-sequence, to ask for however many bytes are immediately available and return. 14:23:29 You must know in advance how many to expect, or use something that isn't standardized. 14:23:57 Xach: I only have a field in the message to know the overall message length 14:24:13 Perhaps you can use that to inform read-sequence, then. 14:24:26 Xach: good, but how? 14:24:54 blinda: Does the structure have a fixed-size header? You mentioned it was in byte 3? 14:25:10 Xach: I'll paste you the class definition 14:25:36 One option is to read the header one way, and the rest of the message another way. 14:25:37 Xach: http://paste.lisp.org/display/118959#1 14:25:37 serichsen [~user@switch1.elmi.uni-bonn.de] has joined #lisp 14:25:39 Hello! 14:26:20 blinda: Well, there you go. You can read three bytes, then make a vector based on the information in those bytes to read the rest. 14:26:38 jweiss_ [~jweiss@cpe-069-134-009-048.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 14:26:46 Xach: looping until I reached the length or timeout 14:27:51 ASau [~user@89-178-242-224.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 14:27:56 ok tx 14:28:08 -!- ubunturocks [~ubunturoc@c-24-125-178-151.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:29:52 has anyone read this : http://www.amazon.com/Code-Language-Computer-Hardware-Software/dp/0735611319/ 14:30:16 mosva: Does it talk about lisp? 14:30:28 no 14:30:54 jkantz [~jkantz@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #lisp 14:31:18 It does, apparently, on page 363: "One such non-von Neumann language is LISP...useful for work in Artificial Intelligence." 14:34:00 I've never heard of it referred to as a non-von Neumann language 14:34:13 -!- Athas [~athas@shop3.diku.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:34:16 mosva: so at least me and dlowe have not read it. 14:35:36 ;) 14:35:45 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@catv-80-98-24-21.catv.broadband.hu] has left #lisp 14:35:52 mosva: I think Xach's point is that you shouldn't post unrelated URLs, at least not without explaining why you posted them so that we don't have to click on them. 14:36:14 benny` [~benny@i577A3303.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 14:36:17 sorry, I apologize to everyone offended 14:36:23 -!- benny [~benny@i577A2951.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:38:13 -!- billstclair_ is now known as billstclair 14:38:21 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@gw3.tacwap.org] has quit [Changing host] 14:38:21 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 14:38:48 -!- dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-89-201.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:39:09 beach: I am usually optimistic that there is some obscure relationship to the topic that I don't immediately see. 14:39:36 Xach: I am not surprised! :) 14:41:54 rme: does ccl's http load support support https? 14:42:24 -!- ferada [~user@g224098081.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 14:42:36 hargettp [~hargettp@dhcp-162.mirrorimage.net] has joined #lisp 14:43:41 -!- benny` is now known as benny 14:44:34 Xach: http://paste.lisp.org/display/118959#2 14:46:36 green` [~user@CPE00222d6c4710-CM00222d6c470d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 14:46:44 blinda: That is not a very good idea. 14:46:57 Xach: why not? 14:47:08 blinda: Because it does much unnecessary work. 14:47:25 Xach: ? 14:47:31 vilsonvieira [~vilson@187.58.255.185] has joined #lisp 14:47:58 Xach: do you mean read only the first three and then use read-sequence? 14:48:11 blinda: that is one option. 14:48:28 Xach: so read two sequences then 14:48:34 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@wbs-196-2-119-12.wbs.co.za] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:48:48 yes, or three read-bytes and a read-sequence. 14:48:52 Xach: but I've always to fill the message structure 14:49:43 adamvh [~adamvh@adsl-99-103-186-186.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 14:49:49 So fill it. 14:49:58 Xach: the way I did? 14:50:04 rmarianski [~rmariansk@mail.marianski.com] has joined #lisp 14:50:35 Why don't you try again from scratch and append to the paste? 14:50:42 Xach: ok 14:50:50 I also recommend defining accessors in defclass so you don't have to use slot-value. 14:51:40 -!- lnostdal [~Lars@218.80-202-49.nextgentel.com] has quit [Quit: reboot] 14:53:02 -!- rien [~rien@dyn-160-39-34-114.dyn.columbia.edu] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 14:53:07 lnostdal [~Lars@218.80-202-49.nextgentel.com] has joined #lisp 14:57:50 Hello, I am attempting to debug cxml-rpc after trying to use it with my bug tracker (Jira) I've found that if you have html entities (haven't tried all, but at least to ( cause problems) I have been successful in getting it down to reproducable without having to reach out on the net, but I am having a hard time figuring out how to proceed. 14:58:20 one second for paste 14:58:57 gozoner [~ebg@ebg-10004083621.jpl.nasa.gov] has joined #lisp 14:58:57 -!- csamuelson [~user@adsl-240-246-114.bna.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:00:30 after adding #:decode-response to the package.lisp for cxml-rpc: http://paste.lisp.org/display/118960 will redily demonstrate the problem and you can alter the string between to test other values 15:01:32 Wraithan: you could also use two colons. 15:02:06 Xach: Oh, thanks 15:04:14 added the traceback to the paste 15:06:30 When i inspect the traceback detail I see it is getting NIL for the type but I can't figure out why the type is getting set to NIL instead of the default :string 15:09:19 Wraithan: it's type-tag-for which returns NIL instead of not erroring out on unknown type tags. 15:09:50 -!- mega1 [~quassel@adsl-63-195-37-158.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:10:38 pkhuong: decode-value looks like it should be setting the default type to :string 15:11:11 trace type-tag-for to make sure. 15:12:42 -!- mcsontos [~mcsontos@nat/redhat/x-hntjdmchujvdcmvr] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:14:00 felideon [~felideon@65.23.61.98.nw.nuvox.net] has joined #lisp 15:14:57 pkhuong: my lisp skills are pretty weak, by trace do you mean put (break) at the top of that function or ? 15:15:47 Wraithan: (trace xrpc::type-tag-for) 15:16:10 It looks to me like the library does not expect the value to be returned as multiple consecutive :characters things, but I'm not fully sure.