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17:20:55 axiom [~axiom@plum.csbnet.se] has joined #lisp 17:20:56 -!- axiom is now known as majoh 17:21:07 gemelen [~shelta@shpd-78-36-167-9.static.vologda.ru] has joined #lisp 17:21:33 slime is kind of a nasty choke-point for politics. :/ 17:22:14 em [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has joined #lisp 17:23:12 jconrad [~jconrad@host109-156-1-248.range109-156.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 17:24:17 borism [~boris@ec2-79-125-58-77.eu-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com] has joined #lisp 17:25:43 Good evening everyone! 17:25:56 beach: good evening! 17:26:08 *stassats* ran into a crazy bug 17:26:35 it's so crazy i can't describe it 17:27:55 -!- pnkfelix [~Adium@c-71-225-45-140.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:28:03 stassats: That must be a *very* crazy bug! 17:29:04 -!- upwardindex1 [~Adium@modemcable004.209-80-70.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:29:16 -!- Amadiro [~whoppix@ti0021a380-dhcp3255.bb.online.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:29:22 well, now I'm seriously curious. 17:29:23 Fade: well, first ask Xach's opinion about including a slime fork into the quicklisp ecosystem... :) I'm sure we can work out the technical details in a fraction of the time of the political discussion... 17:30:22 upwardindex [~Adium@modemcable004.209-80-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 17:30:28 well, it's the political discussion that always causes the most problems. 17:30:41 as always with crazy bugs, they turn out to be not that crazy 17:30:50 I haven't been involved at all in slime dev... i've just generally been happy to have it. 17:31:54 looks like autodoc interns some symbols which it shouldn't intern 17:32:19 jconrad_ [~jconrad@host109-153-59-37.range109-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 17:33:07 -!- jconrad [~jconrad@host109-156-1-248.range109-156.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:33:07 -!- jconrad_ is now known as jconrad 17:34:29 or it doesn't 17:35:44 b-man_ [~b-man@189.34.55.65] has joined #lisp 17:35:47 Fade: same here. but we also have a tendency of looking at the code of anything that doesn't work as good as we would like it to work... and slime fell pray for this tendency of ours, because we work quite a lot with it. 17:36:40 well, after sbcl/ccl/cmucl etc. I guess slime is probably the most important package in the free lisp ecology. 17:36:41 every time there's some recurring annoyance in the tool I'm using, e.g. slime, then I open a varying, but not so long session to fix it. 17:37:18 marco's slime movie was the thing that brought me back to lisp. 17:37:23 that's the same reason i became a slime developer/committer/whatever-it's-called-nowadays 17:37:53 compmstr [~compmstr@adsl-074-185-008-197.sip.clt.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 17:37:53 if I hit a wall, then I put it in the back of my brain and get back to the original issue I've been working on. later on I may come up with a solution, or just learn to live with the annoyance 17:38:17 stassats: yeah, most of the slime comitters think like that. except Helmut... 17:38:36 is the issue that helmut doesn't accept patches? or is it just a style issue? 17:40:26 gonzojive [~red@adsl-75-6-248-33.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 17:40:36 Fade: he uses slme in a simple way, and he cries out regularly for keeping the slime codebase simple to minimalize his maintainership load. (but he fails to see that he's driving away several people who would be happy to help maintaining an evolving slime...) 17:40:55 stuff like the fancy inspector and the repl are very typical examples of this 17:40:56 freiksenet [~freiksene@cs181130165.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 17:41:32 normally i'd say that forking is a sane thing to do, but forking a critical lisp system also forks a fairly small number of eyeballs. 17:41:34 a useful inspector is key in a managed environment like lisp. now it's in a contrib which is not loaded by default... 17:42:19 I've been loading 'slime-fancy for almost as long as I've been using slime. 17:44:02 -!- Torque [~evilbooge@74.40.36.166] has left #lisp 17:45:15 Amadiro [~whoppix@ti0021a380-dhcp3255.bb.online.no] has joined #lisp 17:45:18 having to load slime contribs explicitly isn't exactly much of a headache 17:45:39 if you know that you should load it 17:45:53 Taiyou` [~Taiyou@bas3-toronto47-1242432918.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 17:46:02 not having a slime repl after successfully installing slime is probably the most frequently asked slime question by newbs in this channel. 17:46:29 maybe there needs to be better visibility of the setting up process 17:46:36 jimrthy [~jimrthy@ip68-13-249-220.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #lisp 17:46:42 I've long thought that default was nonsensical. 17:46:43 including the most popular contribs 17:46:47 pnkfelix [~Adium@c-71-225-45-140.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:47:09 i'm not even sure what the rationale could be. 17:47:09 inaccessibly [~watchwise@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has joined #lisp 17:47:13 hehe, to be honest I kind of load everything and haven't even much idea what is what 17:47:36 I guess that's why the 'slime-fancy contrib was defined. 17:48:45 perhaps a formalised plugin architecture for slime would be something that could get plugged in upstream. 17:48:47 mitre__ [~chatzilla@204.51.92.251] has joined #lisp 17:48:55 it sounds like the current situation is somewhat haphazzard. 17:49:32 certainly seems like something that'd cut down the politics for changing the slime core. 17:49:37 you can easily plugin your own contribs 17:49:51 the problems with the contribs distributed with slime 17:50:27 and actually not with them, but whether they're loaded by default 17:50:29 SolarBoom1 [~Nurlan@85.132.44.35] has joined #lisp 17:50:31 -!- mitre [~chatzilla@fl-74-4-76-189.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:50:41 that's one issue, for sure. 17:50:44 -!- mitre__ is now known as mitre 17:51:20 it sounds like contribs for certain features require changes outside the contrib, though. formalising interfaces to things like the inspector might make things more generic. 17:51:29 -!- SolarBoom [~Nurlan@85.132.44.35] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:52:39 formalizing means maintaining a stable API, but slime doesn't even have releases, so that's not an option 17:53:01 it seems to me that quicklisp is likely to change that culture somewhat. 17:53:10 unless somebody is willing to step up and do slime release management 17:54:07 the volunteers don't seem to be falling over themselves to come forward 17:54:08 Bronsa [~bronsa@host241-183-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 17:55:19 well, before quicklisp, I think doing system releases for critical projects was probably a very difficult problem. 17:56:05 -!- mega1 [~quassel@catv4E5CABA2.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:56:07 now that infrastructure is in place, there's at least a reasonable mechanism in place to normalise that operation. 17:57:56 and my crazy bug turned out to be in CCL itself, not in Slime 17:58:25 -!- Khisanth [~Khisanth@pool-96-246-8-177.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:58:34 -!- hargettp [~anonymous@pool-71-184-189-59.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: hargettp] 17:59:04 from where does Quicklisp pull its packages? 17:59:31 Xach builds up tarballs from various repositories 17:59:42 and hosts them on the amazon s3 system. 18:01:23 Yeah, it's the "Xach builds tarballs" part I'm thinking of. 18:01:32 -!- SolarBoom1 [~Nurlan@85.132.44.35] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:02:05 -!- jconrad [~jconrad@host109-153-59-37.range109-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: jconrad] 18:03:05 well, long term I have no idea how Xach scales, but I think the ability to form sub-dists in quicklisp probably means that it won't be a huge issue. 18:03:09 -!- mitre_ [~chatzilla@74.112.63.251] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.12/20101026210630]] 18:03:37 SolarBoom [~Nurlan@85.132.44.35] has joined #lisp 18:06:06 davazp [~user@36.Red-79-153-149.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 18:06:21 -!- leo2007 [~leo@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust596.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: reboot emacs] 18:07:10 sacho [~sacho@79-100-173-234.btc-net.bg] has joined #lisp 18:07:27 leo2007 [~leo@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust596.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 18:10:27 why do i get always failures with flexi-streams external-format thing ? 18:10:41 because you have bad karma 18:11:42 ((labels:sb-c::sub) (iso8859-1 . #hashbla)) 18:12:08 is that it awaits iso8859-1 or that i did compile sbcl in utf-8 enabled konsole ? 18:14:13 you need a better description of your problem 18:16:06 -!- davazp [~user@36.Red-79-153-149.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:16:12 it tells me hash-table:test eql:count 256 is not of type list 18:16:48 what tells you? 18:17:12 the toplevel-debugger ?! 18:18:01 -!- leo2007 [~leo@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust596.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.2.90.2] 18:18:23 what makes the toplevel-debugger say such things? 18:19:24 -!- `Fuco` is now known as Fuco 18:20:58 why do you babble so much ? 18:21:17 leo2007 [~leo@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust596.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 18:21:55 -!- molbdnilo [~Ove@c80-216-195-64.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:22:06 i didn't realize that you weren't asking for help, i am sorry 18:22:45 you realize too much 18:22:55 -!- Bronsa [~bronsa@host241-183-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 18:24:19 dto1 [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 18:24:33 What the. 18:24:35 it checks on ascii, iso8859-1 and koi-8r only, and proceeds with whatever that resulted in, the :utf8 checks won't even get executed 18:25:57 homie: Please go away. Come back again with some politeness and some actual description on your issue. 18:26:51 fya 18:27:32 srolls [~user@c-76-126-221-48.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:31:19 jconrad [~jconrad@host86-163-162-130.range86-163.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 18:35:37 pepone [~pepone@121.246.218.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 18:35:45 molbdnilo [~Ove@c80-216-195-64.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 18:36:13 -!- ASau [~user@95-27-197-147.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:36:55 ASau [~user@95-27-197-147.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 18:37:26 Hi, i new to common lisp, is there something similar to enums? 18:38:32 you can just use symbols 18:39:18 how is that stassats? 18:39:47 i whant to map the states of a connection 18:40:26 symbols have identity, if you're using enums for identity 18:41:39 mm but you can asign any symbol, the point of using enums is that the range of values is limited 18:42:22 then check whether the symbols you get are the symbols you want 18:42:56 molbdnilo_ [~Ove@c80-216-195-64.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 18:43:38 brandonz [~brandon@c-76-102-192-48.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:43:50 andoo [~eric@p4FC5D535.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 18:44:12 -!- fgump [~gump@cpat001.wlan.net.ed.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:44:25 -!- dto1 [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:45:32 -!- molbdnilo [~Ove@c80-216-195-64.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:45:32 -!- molbdnilo_ is now known as molbdnilo 18:46:26 pnq [~nick@AC8175E4.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 18:48:20 -!- andoo [~eric@p4FC5D535.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: b] 18:49:04 SpitfireWP_ [~Spitfire@wikipedia/spitfire] has joined #lisp 18:51:50 -!- SpitfireWP [~Spitfire@wikipedia/spitfire] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:57:01 loxs [~loxs@78.90.124.178] has joined #lisp 19:00:24 -!- gemelen [~shelta@shpd-78-36-167-9.static.vologda.ru] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:03:07 Is there a way to list all symbols in a package? 19:03:10 -!- jconrad [~jconrad@host86-163-162-130.range86-163.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:03:46 necroforest: The way to figure things like that out is to go to the permuted index and look under symbol or package. 19:04:06 (loop for symbol being the symbols in package collect symbol) 19:04:45 necroforest: If you do that, you will find do-symbols, do-external-symbols, etc. 19:05:32 starseek1r, thanks 19:06:00 You mean stassats? 19:06:16 -!- tsuru` [~charlie@adsl-179-29-10.bna.bellsouth.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:07:48 -!- Guthur [~Guthur@host86-133-248-102.range86-133.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:08:56 gemelen [~shelta@shpd-78-36-177-34.static.vologda.ru] has joined #lisp 19:10:26 yes :) 19:12:18 jconrad [~jconrad@host86-164-95-33.range86-164.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 19:12:53 clog [nef@bespin.org] has joined #lisp 19:13:04 SBCL can't find sdl-ttf:initialise-default-font, even though it's specified in the documentation... 19:13:05 hmm 19:13:51 necroforest: What does it say when it can't find it? 19:14:08 Bronsa [~bronsa@host241-183-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 19:14:12 Symbol "INITIALISE-DEFAULT-FONT" not found in the LISPBUILDER-SDL-TTF package. 19:14:36 horze [~kim@c-0b1072d5.24-87-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 19:14:36 necroforest: Perhaps you didn't load the file that defines the package? 19:14:44 i did: 19:14:58 (ql:quickload "lispbuilder-sdl") (ql:quickload "lispbuilder-sdl-ttf") 19:15:01 that should load it correct? 19:15:44 I don't know actually. I don't know what ql:quickload does. 19:16:55 necroforest: It should. 19:17:26 As far as I know, ql:quickload will download the thing and its dependencies, if necessary, and then asdf load the approprate system. 19:20:08 mitre_ [~chatzilla@fl-74-4-76-189.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #lisp 19:22:20 -!- mitre [~chatzilla@204.51.92.251] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:22:20 -!- mitre_ is now known as mitre 19:25:20 -!- SpitfireWP_ [~Spitfire@wikipedia/spitfire] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:25:48 there's a few symbols in sdl-ttf 19:25:58 but nothing that's particularly useful 19:26:02 liek load-default-font 19:26:06 err, intialise 19:26:32 necroforest: I just tried it. I don't see that symbol in that package either. 19:27:01 i just see load-library, init-ttf, and a few other related ones 19:27:54 ttf-font.lisp has an "initialise-font" method, but it doesn't seem to be exported. Not that I know enough about packaging or system definitions to have much of a clue 19:28:08 I'll go back into lurk mode now...sorry for the interruption 19:28:18 guys 19:28:25 -!- chemuduguntar [~ravi@118-92-3-79.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:28:38 as you know, is there a way to know the directory where a loaded file cames from? 19:28:59 seangrove [~user@c-67-188-1-148.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:29:12 jeti [~user@p54B462F4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 19:29:13 (pathname-directory *load-pathname*) 19:29:32 thanks 19:29:54 Bronsa: but it's not a pathname, if that's what you want. 19:30:16 -!- rfg [~rfg@host81-102-106-221.not-set-yet.ntli.net] has quit [Quit: rfg] 19:30:17 pjb: pjb seen 19:30:20 but i can use it 19:30:21 thanks 19:35:07 ak70 [~ak70@46.11.10.227] has joined #lisp 19:35:47 -!- snorble_ [~snorble@s83-179-14-105.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: Lämnar] 19:36:22 jconrad_ [~jconrad@host86-177-65-79.range86-177.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 19:37:18 -!- HET2 [~diman@cpc1-cdif12-2-0-cust125.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 19:38:10 -!- jconrad [~jconrad@host86-164-95-33.range86-164.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:38:10 -!- ziarkaen [~ziarkaen@87.113.184.8] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:38:34 OHH 19:38:51 the LISPBUILDER-SDL-TTF puts all of its symbols in the sdl: package 19:39:08 they also apparently don't update their documentation.... 19:40:20 necroforest: are you using google-code documentation? 19:40:33 there used to be two copies of lispbuilder docs flying around 19:40:40 on of which were more google relevant 19:40:46 but was outdated and useless 19:40:58 jconrad [~jconrad@host109-153-44-31.range109-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 19:41:03 http://lispbuilder.sourceforge.net/lispbuilder-sdl-ttf.html 19:41:07 that's what i'm reading 19:41:08 Hexstream [~hexstream@modemcable075.97-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 19:42:16 "This is an old webpage. As of 2008-12-05 17:45, this project may now be found at: http://code.google.com/p/lispbuilder/' 19:42:21 on top of the page 19:42:35 -!- jconrad_ [~jconrad@host86-177-65-79.range86-177.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:42:46 Hum. Is it okay to give a stupidly long name to a definition macro you know will be used only once in a blue moon or even less?... What about define-multiple-value-rebind-binding-var-finder? 19:42:52 I have no idea why they didn't take down the old site. 19:43:22 -!- katesmith [~katesmith@unaffiliated/costume] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:43:25 probably they are following haskell motto of "never get popular" or promoting myth about unusability of cl libraries :D 19:44:15 katesmith [~katesmith@unaffiliated/costume] has joined #lisp 19:44:16 Khisanth [~Khisanth@pool-96-250-31-162.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 19:44:36 freiksenet, it doesn't say that on the page i'm looking at.... 19:44:39 -!- Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:44:54 http://lispbuilder.sourceforge.net/, ok it does it here 19:45:07 -!- b-man_ [~b-man@189.34.55.65] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:45:10 oh 19:45:17 well, i didn't look at that page ;) 19:45:18 trust me, sourceforge docs are old 19:45:27 as I said - I dunno why they didn't take down old pages. 19:45:40 but the fact is - old pages are still more google relevant than new ones :D 19:47:48 -!- pnkfelix [~Adium@c-71-225-45-140.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:48:47 b-man_ [~b-man@189.34.55.65] has joined #lisp 19:49:25 HET2 [~diman@cpc1-cdif12-2-0-cust125.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 19:50:00 I guess define-mvrebind-finder will be much saner ;P 19:50:07 Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has joined #lisp 19:50:54 varjag [~eugene@4.169.249.62.customer.cdi.no] has joined #lisp 19:52:40 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f755938.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:53:29 Hexstream: how about defmvrf? 19:53:50 Hum, no, that's even stupider than the stupid long name. 19:53:57 stassats: sounds like something from bell labs 19:53:59 -!- freiksenet [~freiksene@cs181130165.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2] 19:54:39 The biggest problem with that name, though, is that you left a vowel. 19:55:29 khisanth_ [~Khisanth@pool-96-250-25-228.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 19:56:45 morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f755938.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 19:56:53 rfg [~rfg@81.102.108.60] has joined #lisp 19:57:18 pnkfelix [~Adium@c-71-225-45-140.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:57:22 -!- Khisanth [~Khisanth@pool-96-250-31-162.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:57:45 -!- khisanth_ is now known as Khisanth 20:00:28 I'm sure PG would be happy with that name, though. 20:00:28 Edward [~ed@AAubervilliers-154-1-35-95.w90-3.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 20:01:50 -!- pnkfelix [~Adium@c-71-225-45-140.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 20:04:53 chemuduguntar [~user@smtp.touchcut.com] has joined #lisp 20:04:56 -!- ASau [~user@95-27-197-147.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:05:31 ASau [~user@95-27-197-147.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 20:06:11 I don't know why autoindent fails so consistently on backquoted forms. That's really annoying. 20:08:20 I can't programmatically add things to the export list of the package I'm currently working in, can I? 20:08:51 Yes, you can. 20:08:52 tgg [~tgg@pool-71-174-251-39.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:08:54 clhs export 20:08:55 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_export.htm 20:09:08 Ah, awesome 20:09:21 alright, a slightly more twisted question then... 20:09:38 -!- bsod1 [~osa1@188.58.252.233] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:09:55 -!- fiveop [~fiveop@178.2.112.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:11:21 If I have a macro in package "vana", and it creates ~3 functions, but I want to use it in another package "lash" so that the 3 functions will be created in (and exported from) the "lash" package - is this the default behavior? 20:11:29 I keep thinking it is, but then packages turn around and bite me 20:11:53 Make the macro take 3 args which will name the functions. 20:12:54 Well, that would be the most conventional and safe way. You could also use INTERN to create the names in the current package. 20:13:30 -!- Bronsa [~bronsa@host241-183-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:13:35 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-109-67-205-172.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:14:01 I believe I do use intern 20:14:12 -!- inaccessibly [~watchwise@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:14:20 -!- brandonz [~brandon@c-76-102-192-48.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:14:37 cmm [~cmm@109.67.205.172] has joined #lisp 20:15:02 Yup, I use intern for 'em 20:15:08 Phoodus [~foo@174-17-245-93.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 20:15:16 Well then, INTERN without a package arg creates symbols in the current package. So if you invoke your macro from the lash package and the macro uses INTERN with 1 argument, then the symbols will be created in the lash package. 20:15:29 very cool, that makes a lot of sense 20:15:30 So what's the question then? 20:15:46 ... or my brain has just been twisted beyond being capable of recognizing sensible things 20:16:00 The question was just where the symbol would end up being interned 20:16:14 Ok, so I guess I answered that. :) 20:17:20 You can verify what package a symbol has been interned in with SYMBOL-PACKAGE. 20:19:23 -!- Ginei_Morioka [~irssi_log@78.115.218.66] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:20:06 Oh, nice 20:20:13 zophy [~sy@host-27-92-2-96.midco.net] has joined #lisp 20:20:44 And what's the best way to look at what symbols a package is exporting? 20:21:00 Ginei_Morioka [~irssi_log@78.114.152.177] has joined #lisp 20:21:11 clhs 11.2 20:21:12 Sorry, I couldn't find anything for 11.2. 20:21:19 clhs section 11.2 20:21:27 What the hell... 20:21:44 SpitfireWP [~Spitfire@wikipedia/spitfire] has joined #lisp 20:21:53 fiveop [~fiveop@178.2.112.11] has joined #lisp 20:21:59 Looking it up manually :) 20:22:00 clhs do-external-symbols 20:22:00 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/m_do_sym.htm 20:23:05 -!- V-ille [~ville@dsl-olubrasgw1-fe4efb00-215.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:23:19 V-ille [~ville@dsl-olubrasgw1-fe4efb00-215.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #lisp 20:24:20 Oh, I just meant from the repl, something like (inspect (find-package :vana)) 20:24:32 -!- Onyxyte [~Onyxyte@r75-110-112-109.rmntcmtc02.rcmtnc.ab.dh.suddenlink.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:24:48 Except just to list the exported symbols from that package 20:24:53 Oh. C-c shift-I. 20:25:10 Then enter the symbol of the package, quoted. 20:25:15 -!- xan_ [~xan@155.99.117.91.static.mundo-r.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:25:28 'cl, say. And you'll be in the slime inspector. 20:26:05 Wow, awesome 20:26:37 Use Q when you're done with the inspector. 20:27:12 jconrad_ [~jconrad@host86-179-139-138.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 20:27:38 C-h m while in the inspector (or any other buffer) will give you a summary of commands available there. 20:27:45 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-210-134-67.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:28:58 *seangrove* feels like a child in a candy store 20:29:07 -!- jconrad [~jconrad@host109-153-44-31.range109-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:29:07 -!- jconrad_ is now known as jconrad 20:31:55 I might be interested in doing some specbot development. Any pointers? Like where the source code is and stuff. 20:32:15 -!- moah [~gnu@dslb-084-061-245-213.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: "Anail nachroc, uthvass bethudd, dochiel dienve."] 20:33:08 and/or minion. 20:34:06 http://www.cliki.net/minion 20:34:06 timor1 [~timor@port-92-195-115-44.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 20:36:29 kleppari [~spa@bitbucket.is] has joined #lisp 20:39:40 I can't seem to find the specbot sources or well, anything about it related to the project's development itself. 20:39:50 scaphe [~soaexpert@201-27-100-98.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #lisp 20:40:43 I want to add support for "some-guy: clhs symbol" 20:43:19 faux [~user@c-219c70d5.035-128-67626713.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 20:44:25 -!- Edward [~ed@AAubervilliers-154-1-35-95.w90-3.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:48:44 Oh, so specbot is part of the emacs project or something, apparently. I thought it was written in CL. 20:49:30 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f755938.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:50:18 morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f755938.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 20:50:45 mejja [~chatzilla@c-b4b5e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 20:53:32 chjames [~cliff@c-69-140-227-64.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:53:43 dfox_ [~dfox@ip-213-220-225-182.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lisp 20:55:11 -!- Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:55:40 -!- scaphe [~soaexpert@201-27-100-98.dsl.telesp.net.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:55:51 scaphe [~soaexpert@201-92-250-157.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #lisp 20:56:02 -!- SolarBoom [~Nurlan@85.132.44.35] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:56:21 sanchaz [sanchaz@gateway/shell/shellium.org/x-jdnmophdlqqmudks] has joined #lisp 20:56:35 Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has joined #lisp 20:56:53 -!- Hexstream [~hexstream@modemcable075.97-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has left #lisp 21:00:34 -!- e-user [~e-user@port-87-234-24-237.static.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:04:22 moxiemk1 [~moxiemk1@ETSY.RES.CMU.EDU] has joined #lisp 21:05:26 Bronsa [~bronsa@host241-183-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 21:05:49 uhm 21:08:51 -!- scaphe [~soaexpert@201-92-250-157.dsl.telesp.net.br] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:08:55 -!- ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:10:23 -!- ak70 [~ak70@46.11.10.227] has left #lisp 21:12:18 Edward [~ed@AAubervilliers-154-1-20-133.w90-3.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 21:12:47 -!- Phoodus [~foo@174-17-245-93.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:13:55 -!- chjames [~cliff@c-69-140-227-64.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:16:18 -!- kmwallio [~kmwallio@host113-70.brownlie.fit.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:18:31 snorble [~snorble@s83-179-14-105.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 21:18:45 Guthur [~Guthur@cpc11-belf9-2-0-cust855.2-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 21:19:46 -!- rff [~rff@ip72-207-243-174.br.br.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:20:12 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@adsl-89-132-7-202.monradsl.monornet.hu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:20:59 kmwallio [~kmwallio@host113-70.brownlie.fit.edu] has joined #lisp 21:21:27 ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has joined #lisp 21:22:32 cls_ [~cs397@raptor.ukc.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 21:24:09 -!- molbdnilo [~Ove@c80-216-195-64.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: tubby bye-bye!] 21:24:17 -!- zophy [~sy@host-27-92-2-96.midco.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:24:44 -!- c|mell [~cmell@88-96-216-86.dsl.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:25:07 zophy [~sy@host-27-92-2-96.midco.net] has joined #lisp 21:26:59 I have a problem. 21:27:11 heh. don't we all. 21:27:46 I want to get the file path of a lisp file loaded with asdf 21:28:02 stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has joined #lisp 21:28:13 and i can't understand how to do this. 21:30:41 Snamich [~Snamich@75-128-11-42.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com] has joined #lisp 21:31:24 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@host133-108-dynamic.54-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:34:20 -!- churib [~tg@dslc-082-082-119-140.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:34:39 hi 21:35:04 if i do a return in a loop thats in a loop where do i end up? 21:35:05 -!- zophy [~sy@host-27-92-2-96.midco.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:38:29 -!- rfg [~rfg@81.102.108.60] has quit [Quit: rfg] 21:39:12 holycow [~new@poco208-2.fredcanhelp.com] has joined #lisp 21:40:43 craiggles [~craig@host81-141-115-9.wlms-broadband.com] has joined #lisp 21:41:43 sanchaz: in the outer loop 21:42:02 humm k thx 21:42:45 gigamonkey: you know how I can get the true pathname of a lispfile loaded with asdf? 21:44:07 rmarianski [~rmariansk@user-387h3rc.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #lisp 21:44:22 Bronsa: you mean while it's being loaded? 21:44:54 *load-truename* in that case. 21:44:59 Otherwise, starting from what? 21:45:20 I mean, the path where the lisp file is when the fasl is created 21:46:39 Okay, that sounds like when it's being loaded. 21:47:12 -!- tgg [~tgg@pool-71-174-251-39.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: tgg] 21:47:14 What are you actually trying to do? 21:48:17 gigamonkey: suppose i have this in ~/lol/lol.asd 21:48:25 (defsystem :lol :components ((:file "lol"))) 21:48:48 and this and this in ~/lol/lol.lisp 21:48:54 (defun lol () (print *load-truename*)) 21:49:02 if I do 21:49:18 (asdf:operate 'asdf:load-op 'lol) (lol) 21:49:20 i get nil 21:50:01 i need to get "/home/[user]/lol/lol.lisp" 21:50:11 and I can't understand how to do this 21:50:28 Ah, never mind, that's not going to be the .lisp file, that'd be the .fasl file. 21:50:42 disumu [~disumu@pD4B9E0C8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 21:51:14 there is no way to do it, maybe using some eval-when dark magic? 21:51:21 There's also *compile-file-truename* 21:52:02 What happens if in your file you do an (eval-when (:compile) (setf cl-user:*my-location* *compile-file-truename*)) 21:53:30 _6502_ [5e24ed3a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.36.237.58] has joined #lisp 21:54:09 I get an ubound marker (?) 21:54:55 Yeah, defvar cl-user:*my-location* before you do it. 21:54:57 Sorry. 21:55:24 You still haven't answered my question though, what are you really trying to do. I.e. why do you need this information? 21:55:26 <_6502_> hello: what's wrong with "(sb-ext:save-lisp-and-die "sbcl-mandelbrot" :executable t :toplevel #'doit)" ? the resulting program keeps starting the standard REPL instead of calling (doit) ... 21:55:55 gigamonkey: I'm trying to make stumpwm ./configure free 21:56:28 and I need to know the source dir to be able to know where the contrib dir is 21:58:14 nothing changed 21:58:33 (defvar *my-location*) (eval-when (:compile-toplevel) (setf *my-location* *compile-file-truename*)) (print *my-location*) => # 21:58:45 -!- b-man_ [~b-man@189.34.55.65] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:00:00 Try this: (eval-when (:compile-toplevel) (defvar *my-location* *compile-file-truename*)) 22:00:46 That may not by 100% right if the compile-time environment is different from the runtime environment. 22:00:55 I get an "Undefined variable: *MY-LOCATION*" 22:01:09 From a DEFVAR?! 22:01:32 seems like the defvar is not executed 22:01:39 What Lisp? 22:01:42 sbcl 22:01:51 And you did a compile-file? 22:02:22 wait. 22:02:34 I do this (asdf:operate 'asdf:load-op 'lol) (lol) 22:02:57 You probably need to do compile-op 22:03:32 Or add :load-toplevel to the eval-when and change *compile-file-truename* to (or *compile-file-truename* *load-truename*) 22:03:41 The latter probably being better. 22:03:58 Though, like I said, this is still not, I don't think, guaranteed to work. 22:04:09 But it may work in practice. 22:04:23 <_6502_> hmmm 22:04:50 -!- Guthur [~Guthur@cpc11-belf9-2-0-cust855.2-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Disconnected by services] 22:04:50 It is not. 22:04:52 lol 22:04:59 Guthur [~Guthur@cpc11-belf9-2-0-cust855.2-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 22:05:14 Does it work when you just do a compile-file? 22:05:17 That works for me. 22:05:47 yes 22:06:10 gigamonkey: doesn't matter 22:06:19 I will find another way to handle this 22:08:34 -!- ASau [~user@95-27-197-147.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:08:53 -!- jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@bl12-86-166.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:09:15 ASau [~user@95-27-197-147.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 22:10:10 fiveop_ [~fiveop@178.2.127.170] has joined #lisp 22:10:19 Bronsa: in general it seems like the right thing is to copy files from the source directory to wherever the fasls end up. Then you can use *load-pathname* at load time to find things. 22:10:27 But maybe that will be just as much of a pain. 22:11:01 hmh, I may try 22:13:00 -!- fiveop [~fiveop@178.2.112.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:13:12 -!- pdo [~pdo@dyn-62-56-50-141.dslaccess.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:13:41 killerboy [~mateusz@smrw-91-193-87-5.smrw.lodz.pl] has joined #lisp 22:13:43 -!- ASau [~user@95-27-197-147.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:13:55 ziga [~user@BSN-142-187-153.dial-up.dsl.siol.net] has joined #lisp 22:14:20 ASau [~user@95-27-197-147.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 22:17:16 rme [~rme@pool-70-106-138-18.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 22:17:46 -!- fiveop_ [~fiveop@178.2.127.170] has quit [Quit: humhum] 22:17:55 -!- mejja [~chatzilla@c-b4b5e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:19:23 pdo [~pdo@dyn-62-56-50-141.dslaccess.co.uk] has joined #lisp 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jesusabdullah rdd starseeker jamief Adrinael cpt_nemo zc00gii jomat mreggen Bucciarati rafl lonstein ddv njan- dcrawford bfein slyrus_ spradnyesh drdo puddingpimp Demosthenes frodef mal__ JuanDaugherty tic pierrep clop2 10:30:10 -!- names: pok_ scode_ SsvRrwQ fe[nl]ix daniel_ djinni` SpitfireWP cYmen V-ille sykopomp sword nuba Modius sellout tvaalen quasisane rabite lispmeister_ Yamazaki-kun guther phadthai elly mornfall antoszka sentry Dodek Tordek pkhuong_ galdor ace4016 kanru mon_key tritchey strlen_ Landr ASau mgr_ ve Khisanth gor[e] tychoish qebab karbak kloeri fmu vsync_ sid3k Buganini krappie_ ozzloy codemonk1yx araujo akkartik Caffeine Krystof spcshpopr8r Posterdati mtd timchen1` 10:30:10 -!- names: nickaugust Quetzalcoatl_ spacebat PissedNumlock dostoyevsky setheus petter` foom blitz_ nullman pr_ Kerrick xyxxyyy superflit incandenza pmd prip reb gz xristos borism ``Erik_ Borbus koning_robot austinh_ eno_ ebzzry ianmcorvidae|alt sacho rtoym_ stepnem em_ defn_ kooll majoh Pepe_ rotty_ bzzbzz legumbre_ timjstewart hugod nowhereman Ginei_Morioka entrosca didi homie sonnym rread c|mell Jasko mitre_ benny eldragon rrice La0fer tsuru katesmith clog guaqua_ 10:30:10 -!- names: quasi_ Euthydemus` snorble p_l|backup hdurer`` dmiles_afk peddie somnium` silentbicycle pdo` lharc pchrist easyE NNshag mitre arbscht housel redline6561 mg4001 delYsid bigjust_` yan_ pjb lichtblau billstclair lolsuper_ xinming Fullma peterhil rahul replete Ralith amaron ramus alexsuraci sigjuice Obfuscate Quadrescence compmstr npoektop schme lnostdal HDurer_home krl johanbev gnooth trigen kae cataska chrnybo OliverUv yahooooo ironChicken ivan4th jayne 10:30:10 -!- names: Draggor adeht [df] dym svk_ abeaumont Intensity unalmsed Tristam cibs PuffTheMagic talyz mindCrime froydnj lusory Fade l_a_m shachaf theBlackDragon derrida albino gju_ @antifuchs fmu__ eli |3b| zbigniew gds deepfire boyscared hohum Tasunteld DrForr cky euphidime ejohnson jrockway _3b lianj kencausey Zahl_ Axioplase_ herbieB 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Convert symbol to string and then split the string. Nice one. Thanks. :) 11:51:45 Was pulling my hair out trying to split the symbol itself. 11:52:30 charliekilo [~charlieki@70-89-224-81-BusName-panjde.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 11:52:32 luis: Yeah sure, it just didn't match my use case 11:53:14 -!- iNtERrUpT [~interrupt@61.43.139.3] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:54:01 iNtERrUpT [~interrupt@61.43.139.3] has joined #lisp 11:54:20 paradoja [~paradoja@211.pool80-103-161.dynamic.orange.es] has joined #lisp 11:55:57 DarthShrine [~angus@60-242-109-62.tpgi.com.au] has joined #lisp 11:55:57 -!- DarthShrine [~angus@60-242-109-62.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Changing host] 11:55:57 DarthShrine [~angus@pdpc/supporter/student/DarthShrine] has joined #lisp 11:56:31 tcr: what's your use case? 11:56:49 astoon [~astoon@213.141.244.246] has joined #lisp 11:56:59 -!- daniel_ is now known as daniel 11:57:18 zeroish [~zeroish@135.207.174.50] has joined #lisp 11:57:45 -!- e-user [~akahl@nat/nokia/x-hxikhseebulvketh] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:57:57 luis: I have liked it to expand to (define-parse-method ,name (&optional (actual-type ,) &rest initargs) (apply #'make-instance :actual-type actual-type initargs) 11:58:00 e-user [~akahl@nat/nokia/x-nwnbffacaxoepuhu] has joined #lisp 12:03:38 -!- Harag [~user@wbs-41-208-211-15.wbs.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:04:07 -!- e-user [~akahl@nat/nokia/x-nwnbffacaxoepuhu] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:05:16 -!- joergen [~joergen@e178068223.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:05:28 homie` [~user@xdsl-78-35-187-231.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 12:06:22 -!- homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-130-48.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:06:51 gemelen [~shelta@shpd-92-101-132-114.vologda.ru] has joined #lisp 12:07:23 -!- Lochy [~lochy@59.94.104.180] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:08:28 -!- edlinde [~edlinde@90-227-7-243-no15.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: edlinde] 12:08:39 _mathrick [~mathrick@users177.kollegienet.dk] has joined #lisp 12:09:05 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@users177.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:10:56 Lochy [~lochy@59.94.106.89] has joined #lisp 12:14:05 -!- mitre [~chatzilla@74.4.76.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:15:17 mitre [~chatzilla@fl-74-4-76-189.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #lisp 12:15:35 billitch [~billitch@rob92-1-82-67-155-88.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 12:15:57 that lambda list doesn't look right 12:16:22 -!- _mathrick is now known as mathrick 12:17:53 How do I create a constant in the loop macro. The form, for x = (length stuff), will be evaluated every iteration. 12:18:08 tcr: doesn't that mean you'd have to pass the actual-type argument if you wanted to pass other initargs? 12:18:34 Kruno: with x = foo will only be evaluated at the beginning 12:18:40 but it's not a constant 12:18:56 ahh, thanks, it will serve its purpose. 12:20:01 luis: It's ok I just did my own define-parser-method; I'm not familiar with cffi, just diving in :-) 12:20:17 -!- plage [~user@113.161.65.230] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:21:46 tcr: yeah, cool. 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What am I missing? 14:02:13 besides using (apply #'recur-func rest-args) 14:02:35 yvdriess: Use a local function which takes the args as a list rather than as a &rest 14:02:38 makao007 [~makao007@61.142.209.146] has joined #lisp 14:02:46 a local iter function? 14:02:51 <_3b> tcr: set in such a way that it is visible to the lisp? also, see cffi:*foreign-library-directories* 14:02:54 Or, perhaps, don't use recursion 14:02:59 oh my, has scheme thought me nothing?! :) 14:03:19 _3b: Yeah but I'd like not to use that one. (In fact its documentation says it should not be used) 14:03:38 <_3b> ah, didn't know that 14:03:41 tcr, I first tried it with loop, but sometimes it's easier to just use recursion 14:04:55 -!- yvdriess [~Beef@soft85.vub.ac.be] has quit [Client Quit] 14:06:04 jweiss [~jweiss@cpe-069-134-009-048.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 14:06:08 _3b: I set it via sb-posix:setenv 14:06:28 yvdriess [~Beef@soft85.vub.ac.be] has joined #lisp 14:08:31 ebzzry_ [~ebzzry@180.193.223.241] has joined #lisp 14:08:56 -!- ebzzry [~ebzzry@203.213.202.186] has quit [Disconnected by services] 14:08:58 -!- ebzzry_ is now known as ebzzry 14:09:13 ebzzry_ [~ebzzry@203.213.202.186] has joined #lisp 14:10:08 -!- billitch [~billitch@rob92-1-82-67-155-88.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:10:59 dlowe [~dlowe@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #lisp 14:11:25 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-158-218.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:11:36 <_3b> tcr: hmm, maybe run file on the .so just to make sure it is right arch and not otherwise strange? 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14:49:53 Posterdati [~tapioca@host127-230-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 14:50:27 i don't know what memoize package you're talking about, but i write my own memoization when i need one 14:50:50 the one that comes in quicklisp 14:51:21 anyway, it seems fundamentally broken for non-unary functions 14:51:27 jmckitrick [~user@adsl-92-243-131.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 14:51:35 there's a memoize project in quicklisp? 14:51:46 *Xach* doesn't see it in apropos or releases.html 14:52:22 e-user [~akahl@nat/nokia/x-ausbquwrkjcyeqtb] has joined #lisp 14:53:08 muhdik [~IceChat7@parkmobile-usa.oneringnetworks.net] has joined #lisp 14:53:09 erm... does quickload check for previously asdf-installed packages first? 14:53:18 maybe I get it from there? 14:53:44 Based on comparing the source code, I believe it's from here: http://www.tfeb.org/lisp/hax.html#MEMOIZE 14:53:49 -!- jmckitrick [~user@adsl-92-243-131.asm.bellsouth.net] has quit [Client Quit] 14:53:58 mason: it will load locally available systems, yes. 14:54:01 stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has joined #lisp 14:54:09 xach: ahh okay, that must be it 14:54:10 -!- benny [~benny@i577A71B9.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:57:25 joeygibson [~joeygibso@208.52.139.50] has joined #lisp 14:59:34 iNtERrUpT [~interrupt@61.43.139.3] has joined #lisp 15:00:06 bleh, apparently it's not broken, it just has a terrible default 15:00:28 -!- sonnym [~evissecer@rrcs-184-74-137-167.nys.biz.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:00:58 everything in Common Lisp has this "terrible" default 15:01:35 stassats: ???, I just meant this memoize package in particular 15:01:37 kanru [~kanru@118-168-238-114.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 15:01:46 it defaults to only memoizing based on the first argument, rather than all of them 15:03:02 ignas [~ignas@78-60-36-123.static.zebra.lt] has joined #lisp 15:03:04 mason: this is often the default choosen for memoizing libraries. 15:03:20 pjb: really? 15:03:49 mason: Yes. Notice that hash-table may behave badly on lists, when the test is not :eql. 15:04:54 pjb: mmmmm 15:04:57 pjb: unfortunate 15:05:01 Now, for 2-element lists we could expect from the implementations to deal with them correctly, but specific time complexity is specified. 15:05:49 mason: i was referring to the default hash-function of hash-table being EQL 15:06:19 zomgbie [~jesus@chello212186106204.11.vie.surfer.at] has joined #lisp 15:07:42 pjb: where can I find more information on how hash-tables perform when using lists as keys 15:08:08 http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/18_.htm 15:09:13 mason: in your implementation documentation or source code 15:09:40 -!- LiamH [~healy@129-2-134-246.wireless.umd.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:09:55 -!- nefo [~nefo@unaffiliated/nefo] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:10:05 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 15:10:21 -!- iNtERrUpT [~interrupt@61.43.139.3] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:10:35 EOF-sensei [EOF-sensei@dsl-173-206-247-60.tor.primus.ca] has joined #lisp 15:10:42 (require :sb-posix) does not emit style-warnings whereas (asdf:load-system :sb-posix) does 15:10:51 milanj [~milanj_@109-92-122-253.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined #lisp 15:10:57 -!- wvdschel [~wim@unaffiliated/yukito] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:10:58 seems like REQUIRE loads contrib/sb-posix/sb-posix.fasl 15:11:16 somebody tell me why preceeding operations with their operators is a good idea... 15:11:20 I'm wondering what it is that creates sb-posix.fasl, though? Might that be what the :pathname option in a defsystem does? 15:11:54 EOF-sensei: i can't make any sense out of your question 15:12:07 EOF-sensei: Because you also write f(x) in maths 15:12:36 but you don't write (+ 1 2) 15:12:42 but i do 15:12:48 i'm sure 15:13:16 EOF-sensei: In Lisp, + is just a function; it's a design decision 15:13:27 because i don't want to write "+" n times, because i don't want to memorize all precedence rules 15:13:55 sabalaba [~sabalaba@221.220.249.53] has joined #lisp 15:14:07 EOF-sensei: if that's a significant issue when you're coding, I'd really like to know what challenges you're solving. 15:14:18 although, in smalltalk you can write 1 + 2, and not memorize different precedence rules 15:14:49 but it becomes confusing 15:15:33 i'll stick with C and Python 15:15:42 EOF-sensei: good stuff. 15:15:46 it's worked 'til now 15:15:46 Then why did you come here? 15:15:55 if that's the reason, it's a stupid reason 15:15:55 to piss you off of course 15:15:58 barandis [~thomas@66.208.14.74] has joined #lisp 15:16:00 tcr: contrib/asdf-stub.lisp 15:16:23 EOF-sensei: Go away. 15:16:35 Xach can't take a joke 15:17:04 i just wanted to see if i was missing the point of the only other official GNU system language 15:17:08 -!- ChanServ has set mode +o Krystof 15:17:17 -!- Krystof has set mode +b *!*@dsl-173-206-247-60.tor.primus.ca 15:17:19 EOF-sensei: You have your answer. 15:17:41 -!- Krystof has set mode -o Krystof 15:18:18 see, even IRC has prefix operations 15:18:40 froydnj: Should I start using froydware from git? 15:18:47 -!- EOF-sensei [EOF-sensei@dsl-173-206-247-60.tor.primus.ca] has left #lisp 15:19:10 -!- jobf [~jfranck@c-9fbde555.03-87-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:19:13 billitch [~billitch@rob92-1-82-67-155-88.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 15:19:25 Xach: sure, why not? you weren't before? 15:19:48 froydnj: I like using real releases if available. 15:19:57 ah, releases 15:20:24 -!- oskar__ [~oskar@c83-250-205-17.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:20:37 s1ugg0 [~user@net-216-37-86-189.in-addr.worldspice.net] has joined #lisp 15:20:40 If they are way out of date I can use something else. 15:22:17 -!- c|mell [~cmell@188-220-238-74.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:23:20 -!- Hun [~Hun@80.81.19.29] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:23:33 umm does Lisp often get recognized as a GNU system language 15:23:52 maybe I'm reading 'system language' wrong 15:24:31 the original gnu manifesto said that the gnu system would be progammable with C and Lisp 15:24:33 I think 15:25:06 "Both C and Lisp will be available as system programming languages." 15:25:27 Xach: there's not much difference between git and releases...maybe a little for ironclad 15:26:26 froydnj: The issue came up yesterday. I'll review and see what project it was for. 15:27:51 Krystof: Yes originally, we had a discussion about it here a few moons ago 15:27:58 *Xach* can't find it 15:28:10 but I think the fact is often overlooked 15:30:09 borkamaniac [~user@S0106001111de1fc8.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp