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I'll talk to you about it some time when it is more appropriate. 18:20:36 But social economics is interesting! 18:20:48 schme: Can't OCaml support polymorphic functions? 18:21:14 social economics is very interesting, and indeed partly relevant to why lispers are not kings of the world 18:21:19 *gwynddyllyd* nods. 18:21:26 and so arguably more on-topic than OCaml ;-) 18:21:36 gwynddyllyd: you mean ad-hoc polymorphism? Its object system does a lot less inference than Haskell's. 18:22:01 -!- setheus [~setheus@cpe-70-116-140-134.tx.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 18:22:14 however, here's something that's more on-topic 18:22:16 Krystof: well, there's no need to be king of the world, is it? 18:22:44 ELS 2010 registration is open: please go to http://www.european-lisp-symposium.org/ and say that you're going to come! 18:23:06 Yay! 18:23:10 -!- Krystof changed the topic of #lisp to: Common Lisp, the #1=(programmable . #1#) programming language . New: ELS2010 registration open, ECL 10.4.1 18:23:19 tcr: re unique tokens in sb-thread, I don't see why we shouldn't use machine integers instead of consing. 18:23:20 also, if you notice problems in the registration process, please e-mail me 18:23:26 or let me know in some other way 18:24:04 tompa_ [~thomas@h59ec27fb.sehjjak.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #lisp 18:24:28 nyef: regarding CLIM - it would fit *very* nicely into HTML5 world... 18:24:29 -!- tompa_ [~thomas@h59ec27fb.sehjjak.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Client Quit] 18:24:35 tompa [~tompa@h59ec27fb.sehjjak.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #lisp 18:24:54 -!- bigjust [~user@adsl-074-232-230-165.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:25:06 -!- timor1 [~timor@port-87-234-97-138.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:25:19 p_l: Quick summation of that point? 18:25:20 gwynddyllyd: Have you read Typoclassopedia? 18:25:34 pkhuong: There's an sbcl thread in which nikodemus proposed that: "Condition-Wait, Deadline handler, waking up itself", ~March 05 18:25:46 Oh, I'd really enjoy attending. Lisbon is beautiful. 18:25:56 sure, it's lossy in theory, but in practice? 18:26:06 (especially on x86-64 :) 18:26:33 pkhuong: I tried to read pthread implementation but it's in asm. Still there's a design document which didn't much make sense to me though 18:26:33 p_l: no, i haven't. Let me check Amazon. 18:26:40 they use two word-sized seq numbers 18:26:43 iirc 18:27:03 gwynddyllyd: it was in Monad Reader. 18:27:14 -!- amaron [~amaron@cable-188-2-212-176.dynamic.sbb.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:27:35 Good enough on 32 bit platforms them. We can even use DCAS on x86 to simplify the code. 18:27:42 pkhuong: At the moment, we do not actually cons. 18:27:56 pkhuong: The problem is that concurrent waiters cause spurious wakeups to each other 18:28:15 Guthur: pane =>
layout elements. Output recording partially done by the DOM engine itself in the browser. 18:28:16 pretty sucky for performance as that will make them reacquire the lock etc 18:28:19 amaron [~amaron@cable-188-2-212-176.dynamic.sbb.rs] has joined #lisp 18:28:19 condition-wait wakes others up? That'd be a issue :\ 18:28:50 setheus [~setheus@cpe-70-116-140-134.tx.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 18:29:03 timor [~timor@port-87-234-97-138.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 18:31:20 that -is- status quo again since 1.0.37.x for some x 18:31:46 (I don't actually use these primitives much) 18:31:55 ace4016 [~jmarcelin@adsl-144-13-93.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 18:32:06 christoph_debian [~christoph@cl-1281.dus-01.de.sixxs.net] has joined #lisp 18:33:26 -!- Kyril [~RogerBaco@bas3-sherbrooke40-1242416304.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:33:34 woodworks [woodworks@94.st.louis-141-143rs.mo.dial-access.att.net] has joined #lisp 18:33:34 bremner [~bremner@pivot.cs.unb.ca] has joined #lisp 18:33:38 ams [~ams@m83-188-219-59.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 18:33:54 jordanb [~jordanb@adsl-99-31-155-78.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 18:33:56 why not this work/ (car (lambda (x) x)? 18:34:10 In #emacs we're discussing why lisp failed. 18:34:23 And I said all you have to do is come in here and see allthe fuckwads in the language. 18:34:23 It failed? 18:34:28 ams: functions are not lists in Common Lisp 18:34:29 So let's put on a show. ^_^ 18:34:35 tcr: why not? 18:34:41 Hi, ams. 18:34:54 -!- ams [~ams@m83-188-219-59.cust.tele2.se] has left #lisp 18:34:54 hi jordanb 18:35:20 I guess the only people here right now are #emacs people. 18:35:28 All the lispers are working on their ham radios today. 18:35:35 -!- bremner [~bremner@pivot.cs.unb.ca] has left #lisp 18:36:04 jordanb: Not sure what you are talking about. I am guessing most people in #lisp use Emacs. 18:36:09 so is lisp all about emacs or valid on its own? 18:36:09 ... bacon radio? 18:36:18 sav [~xor@189001136140.usr.predialnet.com.br] has joined #lisp 18:36:24 -!- christoph_debian [~christoph@cl-1281.dus-01.de.sixxs.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:36:28 -!- jordanb [~jordanb@adsl-99-31-155-78.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has left #lisp 18:36:37 christoph_debian [~christoph@cl-1281.dus-01.de.sixxs.net] has joined #lisp 18:36:41 what is the strength of lisp? 18:36:46 woodworks: Emacs is a great tool for Lisp. 18:37:05 nyef: for sending beacons? 18:37:08 woodworks: http://dept-info.labri.fr/~strandh/features.text 18:37:31 beach: actually, lisp is a great tool for Emacs. 18:37:44 That too. 18:38:07 minion: features of common lisp? 18:38:07 features of common lisp: Features of Common Lisp, a one-page summary of what makes Common Lisp unique: http://abhishek.geek.nz/docs/features-of-common-lisp 18:38:30 stassats`: Ah, nice! Didn't know minion knew about that. 18:42:22 saikat_ [~saikat@128.12.248.104] has joined #lisp 18:42:28 stassats`: As navigation aids for porcine aviators? 18:42:31 woodworks: I use lisp integrated with Java; Java does my UI and deployment. Lisp does the application logic. 18:43:01 -!- amaron [~amaron@cable-188-2-212-176.dynamic.sbb.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:43:04 ehu: "Java provides the caffine, lisp provides the programming language"? 18:43:16 nyef: yeah, like in that movie 18:43:26 *beach* goes to spend time with his family. 18:43:28 oh, i've heard that lisp is good for thinking of the solution not the implementation 18:44:03 amaron [~amaron@cable-188-2-212-176.dynamic.sbb.rs] has joined #lisp 18:44:07 Java provides the caffine? man to work with java you'd need pain killers 18:45:30 -!- Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has quit [] 18:45:38 woodworks: If your language of choice is sufficiently expressive, you should be able to create an environment where that is the case. Lisp is sufficiently expressive. :-) 18:45:39 *stassats`* drinks tea from a cup with Java logo, it didn't say anything about type mismatch 18:45:57 attila_lendvai [~ati@catv-89-132-189-83.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #lisp 18:46:48 I implement things fine in CL too. 18:47:24 stassats`: This is because cups are made in foundries by casting. ;-) 18:47:40 alley_cat [~AlleyCat@sourcemage/elder/alleycat] has joined #lisp 18:47:46 -!- woodworks [woodworks@94.st.louis-141-143rs.mo.dial-access.att.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:49:07 gwynddyllyd: Does that include hand-made cups? 18:49:27 -!- sav [~xor@189001136140.usr.predialnet.com.br] has left #lisp 18:50:35 gwynddyllyd: Because you're just starting out, I suggest you use clbuild to create your local CL set up. Perhaps it was mentioned to you already. 18:51:26 tcr: No, it hasn't! I was using sbcl from aptitude and slime from cvs. 18:51:46 tcr: I'll try that now. 18:52:04 -!- airolson [~airolson@CPE00222d557540-CM00222d55753d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has left #lisp 18:52:25 -!- timor [~timor@port-87-234-97-138.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:52:34 oh that's ok actually 18:54:10 nyef: Are there any hand-made cups in Java-land? 18:55:19 in Indonesia? i believe there are some 18:55:26 pkhuong: What I'd -really- like to do is to use atomic-incf on closed over variables 18:55:51 You'd already be pointing to a value cell. 18:56:04 Point to a struct instead. 18:56:32 The difference is extra words of allocation. 18:56:32 the value cell is generic? 18:56:40 Yes, unfortunately. 18:56:46 huh 18:57:35 I wouldn't have expected that, how comes? 18:57:51 Historical reason? 18:58:15 Well there must be technical obstacles otherwise I believe someone would have changed it 18:58:32 gwynddyllyd: And the question of if they are cast or not depends on if they were formed by pinching the clay into shape or if they were done on a wheel (you cast a lump of clay onto the wheel and then shape it while the wheel spins). 18:58:34 I don't think so. Looks like ~1-2 day's worth of work. 18:58:51 so does this mean that closed over floats are boxed?? 18:58:51 It's not like perf sensitive code use value cells. 18:58:56 exactly. 18:59:03 -!- amaron [~amaron@cable-188-2-212-176.dynamic.sbb.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:59:51 amaron [~amaron@cable-188-2-212-176.dynamic.sbb.rs] has joined #lisp 18:59:59 Is the box the value-cell, though, or is there a further box for the float? 19:00:18 nyef: it's closure vector -> value-cell -> boxed double float 19:02:07 maden [~maden@modemcable068.120-20-96.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 19:02:21 We don't have unboxed storage within value-cells? 19:02:57 (define-vop (value-cell-ref cell-ref) ...) Nope. 19:03:28 That sounds like an optimization waiting to happen. 19:03:34 right. 19:04:10 Is it one value-cell per value, or is it one value-cell per distinct closure-environment segment? 19:04:21 -!- Stattrav [~Stattrav@202.3.77.233] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:04:21 one value-cell per binding. 19:04:37 That sounds like an optimization waiting to happen, too. 19:05:03 that would be harder. 19:05:18 Yes. Yes, it would. 19:05:48 nyef: This is rarely the case for industrial cup production. Most industrial designers would send designs for cups to manufacturers that use plaster molds - assuming it's a clay cup. Metal and glass cups use other processes. 19:06:03 -!- abugosh [~Adium@216-164-114-53.c3-0.tlg-ubr3.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:06:16 gwynddyllyd: Right, which is why I specified hand-made. 19:07:34 *gwynddyllyd* goes back to slime. 19:11:11 isomer`` [~isomer@CPE00226b8ab7f9-CM0011aec5e684.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 19:12:58 -!- amaron [~amaron@cable-188-2-212-176.dynamic.sbb.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:13:36 amaron [~amaron@cable-188-2-212-176.dynamic.sbb.rs] has joined #lisp 19:13:41 -!- JuanDaugherty [~Ren@cpe-72-228-177-92.buffalo.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Exeunt IRC] 19:14:06 Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has joined #lisp 19:14:41 HG` [~HG@xdslex219.osnanet.de] has joined #lisp 13:36:34 ccl-logbot [~ccl-logbo@setf.clozure.com] has joined #lisp 13:36:34 13:36:34 -!- names: ccl-logbot ski LiamH BrianRice rread_ cYmen2_ glogic_ z0d qebab_ skeledrew m4dnificent jsoft__ beach` _3b`` huangjs` fgtech^ morphling dcibiel lnostdal_ felideon mal__ billstclair davertron kpreid merl15__ Odin- Adlai debiandebian adamvh jtza8 mattrepl coyo stassats kejsaren_ randa lichtblau nha HET2 Samuel9999 Nshag Harag kwinz3 Guthur fisxoj brandelune Tordek udzinari mbohun ichernetsky ignas levente_meszaros ejs1 arbscht utoku Yuuhi aerique tcr spoofy 13:36:34 -!- names: hlavaty bozhidar jdz mcsontos mle REPLeffect SandGorgon grouzen fiveop ASau` mvilleneuve Kolyan vu3rdd lhz htk_ setheus spradnyesh phadthai palter OmniMancer pookleblinky dys simplechat deepfire cmm scode sellout benny sohum Ralith mjonsson bytecolor djinni` rapacity bfein wolgo nixeagle zorn Kustnamenkloate Jasko joga xinming dstatyvka Draggor srcerer trsh daniel bzzbzz dcrawford dmiles_afk ikki Ginei_Morioka stettberger hohum kuwabara dto rootzlevel 13:36:34 -!- names: koollman Dodek stepnem tltstc christoph_debian Stattrav blast_hardcheese synthasee Madsy AntiSpamMeta ve m4thrick Pepe_ hypno nowhere_man jrockway_ rlpowell wgl felipe mooglenorph adeht herbieB fatblueduck hugod xavieran OsamaBinWOG Yamazaki-kun CrazyEddy drewc anekos_ Guest76266 Xantoz Oddity TDT straszhm lisppaste ryepup shadowspar vext01 schme araujo cmatei prip UnderTaLker retupmoca Demosthenes Anarch c|mell dostoyevsky kleppari wasabi fihi09``` 13:36:34 -!- names: Taggnostr pchrist varjagg krappie pok ironChicken rikjasnon dejones spiaggia hsaliak nasloc__ tic rsynnott nullman Buganini djm hc_e Helheim slather froydnj ennen df_aldur tomaw slyrus jyujin rahul kencausey clog sepisultrum hdurer_ cpt_nemo hicx174 frontiers bdowning jroes mgr_ dmelani p_l rotty franki^ johs nicolai guaqua borism lharc Riqpe kajic emma Khisanth blitz_ mathrick gz boyscared koning_r1bot nipra porcelina Aisling JuanDaugherty Amadiro 13:36:34 -!- names: billitch Guest34418 tychoish ianmcorvidae Patzy gigamonkey acieroid joast frodef cataska pkhuong gonzojive Axioplase_ ramus lukjad86 nyef qsun sykopomp Xach sid3k lonstein nuba yahooooo ``Erik ecraven derefed Tabmow codemonkeyx goosemo thijso eno drforr dalkvist zbigniew Fade PuffTheMagic lemoinem Intensity Borbus Arelius eldragon l_a_m yacin fda314925 BeZerk gl bakkdoor clop egn Zhivago luis specbot minion mikezor pr jsnell aCiD2 [df] antifuchs ineiros 13:36:34 -!- names: p8m kom_ tmitt Raptelan tvaalen bgs000 andreer dym foom cYmen Xof adlai_ cods Reinout_Stevens vsync sytse mornfall Adrinael Trystam 13:36:57 skeledrew1 [~skeledrew@0177-82-27-72-DYNAMIC-dsl.cwjamaica.com] has joined #lisp 13:38:21 rrice [~rrice@76.211.14.95] has joined #lisp 13:39:13 -!- adamvh [~adamvh@c-69-136-131-100.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: adamvh] 13:39:33 -!- skeledrew [~skeledrew@0177-82-27-72-DYNAMIC-dsl.cwjamaica.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:39:48 francogrex [~francogre@19.124-65-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #lisp 13:40:00 housel [~user@mccarthy.opendylan.org] has joined #lisp 13:40:22 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@41.56.13.76] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:40:39 -!- jdz [~jdz@85.254.211.133] has quit [Quit: Boot me gently] 13:40:50 mik8y [~user@112.154.21.142] has joined #lisp 13:41:25 Lis [~Lis@dialbs-092-079-130-087.static.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 13:41:44 adamvh [~adamvh@c-69-136-131-100.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:41:52 -!- francogrex [~francogre@19.124-65-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Client Quit] 13:42:18 francogrex [~francogre@19.124-65-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #lisp 13:42:32 Hi all. How do I bind functions to ecl within c/c++? 13:44:14 bojovs [~bojovs@p3111-ipad49hodogaya.kanagawa.ocn.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 13:44:23 -!- bojovs [~bojovs@p3111-ipad49hodogaya.kanagawa.ocn.ne.jp] has quit [Client Quit] 13:44:30 bojovs [~bojovs@p3111-ipad49hodogaya.kanagawa.ocn.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 13:44:57 write your lisp code and load it inside your c program 13:46:06 cl_load ... would be the c function 13:46:32 freiksenet [~freiksene@hoasnet-fe29dd00-202.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #lisp 13:48:19 -!- francogrex [~francogre@19.124-65-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [] 13:48:32 Sergio` [~positron@unaffiliated/sergio/x-8197433] has joined #lisp 13:49:05 -!- adamvh [~adamvh@c-69-136-131-100.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: adamvh] 13:49:44 viric [~viric@142.234.221.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 13:49:46 slyrus_ [~slyrus@adsl-75-36-214-244.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 13:49:49 Hello 13:50:09 I tried to build clisp in armv5tel-unknown-linux without success 13:50:10 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@users177.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:50:21 anyone here using clisp on arm? 13:50:24 -!- bojovs [~bojovs@p3111-ipad49hodogaya.kanagawa.ocn.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: bye-bye] 13:51:07 -!- ejs1 [~eugen@nat.ironport.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:51:23 mstevens [~mstevens@pdpc/supporter/active/mstevens] has joined #lisp 13:52:02 mathrick [~mathrick@users177.kollegienet.dk] has joined #lisp 13:53:23 viric, i remember someone here bringing up a limited version of clisp up on arm 13:53:53 awesome, thanks is there a reference documentation for ecl? 13:54:12 -!- bozhidar [~user@212.50.14.187] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:54:25 udzinari` [~user@nat/ibm/x-yzlgerexeayyiebg] has joined #lisp 13:55:05 bozhidar [~user@212.50.14.187] has joined #lisp 13:55:08 ah ok 13:55:16 myself, i tried cross-compiling ecl to arm last year and got half-way there 13:55:19 varjagg: so it may not be trivial 13:55:26 (i.e. to runtime error on target platform) 13:55:28 what can I run on arm? 13:55:31 guile? 13:55:50 no idea 13:56:06 as guile isn't cl, i didn't look there 13:56:09 is it reasonable to rebuild sbcl using sbcl after you build it with other lisp? or it is already built by itself during that process? 13:56:16 ok 13:56:27 udzinari`: yes, it's reasonable 13:56:28 udzinari`: it is already built by itself 13:56:53 :( 13:57:55 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@rrcs-208-125-58-214.nys.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: kpreid] 13:58:15 Lis, of course there is 13:58:40 http://ecls.sourceforge.net/new-manual/index.html 13:58:43 but where... I searched google, it's wiki pages, and on the "new-documentation" but latter is incomplete 13:58:46 hm 13:59:03 where is cl_princ_to_string?? 13:59:21 -!- viric [~viric@142.234.221.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has left #lisp 14:00:16 so it is built in itself, but it is still reasonable?.. 14:00:38 kpreid [~kpreid@rrcs-208-125-58-214.nys.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 14:01:35 -!- skeledrew1 [~skeledrew@0177-82-27-72-DYNAMIC-dsl.cwjamaica.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:03:55 does someone here use gcl? 14:04:11 -!- Harag [~Harag@iburst-41-213-48-251.iburst.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 14:04:33 Lis: I don't think so, except maybe when it was used by distro to build Maxima :-) 14:04:42 Lis, http://ecls.sourceforge.net/new-manual/ch18.html 14:04:51 it's not there? 14:05:15 also, chapter 8 14:06:45 varjagg i mirrored the site and seared the whole source: Search "cl_princ_to_string" (0 hits in 0 files) 14:07:05 maybe there is something written in the ecl sourcecode 14:07:26 skeledrew [~skeledrew@0177-82-27-72-DYNAMIC-dsl.cwjamaica.com] has joined #lisp 14:07:53 it sounds like an internal to ecl function 14:08:08 i thought you were asking about c/c++ integration 14:08:20 hm, it can convert cl_objects back to string... but I need an array of doubles 14:09:44 ecl-10.4.1\msvc\lsp\iolib.c (1 hits) -> Line 365: cl_object cl_princ_to_string(cl_object V1) 14:09:54 bojovs [~bojovs@p3111-ipad49hodogaya.kanagawa.ocn.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 14:11:21 -!- bojovs [~bojovs@p3111-ipad49hodogaya.kanagawa.ocn.ne.jp] has quit [Client Quit] 14:11:25 Lis: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=g2xc159f9ab1004121338o70f4c650j2326a877fcd294b%40mail.gmail.com&forum_name=ecls-list 14:14:48 wow interresting http://common-lisp.net/~dlw/LispSurvey.html 14:19:08 -!- udzinari` [~user@nat/ibm/x-yzlgerexeayyiebg] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 14:19:45 -!- vu3rdd [~vu3rdd@164.164.250.10] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 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Madsy herbieB dostoyevsky kleppari rsynnott nullman zeroish Lars`` Khisanth nasloc__ Patzy lukjad86 jsnell kvsari mikezor_ bobbysmith007 ivan4th mgr rlpowell drhodes Ginei_Morioka tcr sykopomp kelsin setheus joga Phoodus mornfall Yamazaki-kun arbscht Buganini mle _3b`` xavieran minion specbot dalkvist rahul prip frontiers kloeri coyo m4thrick spoofy madnificent Ralith cmeow toxygen hicx174 lnostdal phadthai eno 20:17:23 -!- names: cataska BrianRice mizai amaron mathrick phryk koning_robot rapacity franki^ kajic Amadiro sellout Aisling Guest29494 blitz_ martin` bzzbzz Suczker sytse yahooooo clog lonstein z0d johs 20:18:02 -!- sepeth` [~user@78.180.94.125] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20:19:38 shouldn't the inherit-stdin bug actually be nicely bisectable? 20:22:43 Holcxjo [~holly@home.sinclair-durer.net] has joined #lisp 20:22:45 hdurer__ [~holly@home.sinclair-durer.net] has joined #lisp 20:23:13 Devon [~devon@c-98-216-157-52.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:24:10 is there an easy way to generate a numberlist, with range, like (range 3 90) that would create a list (3 4 5 ... 89 90) 20:24:24 (loop for i from 3 to 90 collect i) 20:24:35 -!- freiksenet [~freiksene@hoasnet-fe29dd00-202.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:25:00 drewc [~user@S01060013101b6ddb.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 20:25:07 ah, nice 20:25:11 thanks :) 20:25:18 hefner [~root@ppp-58-9-117-124.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 20:25:35 -!- lhz [~shrekz@c-b9aa72d5.021-158-73746f34.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:25:51 -!- rread [~rread@c-98-234-219-222.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:25:59 rread [~rread@nat/sun/x-awvkaictlgwwrulb] has joined #lisp 20:27:42 Aperculum: also look at alexandria:iota 20:28:12 (iota :start :step ) 20:28:51 -!- attila_lendvai_ [~ati@catv-89-133-171-82.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:29:56 -!- ichernetsky [~ichernets@195.222.77.237] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:31:39 thanks, I'll take a look 20:33:58 So cpu time does not include the time a process is waiting; but I do want to know the additional time the process is waiting on i/o (or in syscalls, sleep, etc)... wall clock isn't cutting it either because that also includes the time the process is unscheduled, yet not waiting 20:34:35 I do not exclude the possibility that I'm confused :-) 20:34:52 tcr: what's the difference between waiting on IO and being unscheduled? 20:35:12 segmond [~seg@adsl-99-29-144-168.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 20:35:33 the process itself decided to do so 20:35:46 getrusage includes voluntary and involuntary ctx switches 20:36:04 but I haven't grown the clue what those number represent exactly 20:36:15 tcr: involuntary probably doesn't count syscalls. 20:36:28 sepeth [~user@78.180.94.125] has joined #lisp 20:36:55 unless your machine is running other programs at the same time, basically all waiting is either in a syscall or page-in iowait. 20:37:30 so just don't run anything else on the machine and you're set. 20:38:28 holycow [~new@poco208-2.fredcanhelp.com] has joined #lisp 20:38:55 "just" 20:39:09 and if there _is_ something else running, you might be waiting longer on that I/O than you would otherwise, because although you might have started waiting volutarily on I/O initially, now someone else is keeping the disk busy. 20:39:14 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-153-248.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:39:36 -!- codeassembly [~givan@188.25.56.255] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:40:27 -!- lvillani [~lvillani@fedora/lvillani] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:42:44 timor [~timor@port-87-234-97-27.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 20:46:03 -!- Devon [~devon@c-98-216-157-52.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.1.90.1] 20:47:43 astoon [~astoon@213.141.244.246] has joined #lisp 20:48:08 bombshelter13b [~bombshelt@76-10-149-209.dsl.teksavvy.com] has 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asymmetric 21:13:11 specbot: clhs #' 21:13:11 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/02_dhb.htm 21:13:16 -!- davertron [~Dave@vt-sb-1.logicsupply.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:13:49 It's a pointless anachronism. Think of lambda as naming an anonymous function rather than producing a value, so you need the #' in front in the same way you would with a symbol. Except in modern CL, lambda is defined as a macro to expand into (function (lambda ...)), making the explicit #' as pointless as it is unsightly. 21:13:50 <_6502_> i know what #' does... i wonder why it's needed before (lambda ...) 21:14:10 that's been a long debate 21:14:35 <_6502_> oh.. ok 21:16:12 -!- john_rambo [~hellkrel@2001:718:802:c0d2:21e:37ff:fecb:baa0] has quit [Quit: john_rambo] 21:16:30 _6502_: it's not needed. 21:17:46 Geany [Emily@94.55.128.237] has joined #lisp 21:18:08 hey guys, I'm trying to do a tetrinet client, using usocket, but I've some encoding issues: tetrinet's protocol use (code-char 255) as eol character, but it's not detected as 0xFF by the C tetrinet server 21:18:47 Fruktsoda [~EchoB@unaffiliated/fruktsoda] has joined #lisp 21:19:30 and when I give characters like « é », it gets read like when you read iso-8859-1 if you're on UTF-8 21:19:52 -!- timor [~timor@port-87-234-97-27.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:20:19 redline6561 [~redline@c-66-56-16-250.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:20:58 acieroid: Are you using binary, character, or bivalent streams? If character or bivalent, are you setting the external-format correctly? If binary, are you doing your character conversion correctly? 21:21:18 acieroid: make sure your data is encoded in iso-8859-1. I'd also work with an octet (binary) stream and explicitly encode string data. 21:21:26 ow 21:21:51 I just uses the sockets that usockets gives me and print in it with format 21:21:59 Phoodus [foo@174-22-192-228.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 21:22:10 i'll look at binary stream 21:23:08 enthymeme [~kraken@130.166.209.8] has joined #lisp 21:24:04 -!- Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:24:21 it's still a binary protocol even if the format is mnemonic. 21:25:42 (code-char 255) actually seems to give the "right" character back for me in sbcl, I'd have expected that to work upto 127 only. What am I missing? 21:26:19 don't jinx it! 21:26:23 tcr: it gives the right character in sbcl, but not on the tetrinet server 21:27:03 tcr: You're probably missing an external-format mismatch. 21:27:15 acieroid: yes that depends on the external-format of the stream 21:27:16 licoresse [~user@cm-84.209.103.64.getinternet.no] has joined #lisp