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(3469131413 :privmsg "nyef" "Optimization policy, perhaps?" nil)
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(3469131478 :privmsg "stassats" "i don't think so, for example having or not having &key parameters affect it" nil)
(3469131507 :privmsg "nyef" "How odd." nil)
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(3469132997 :privmsg "nyef" "How odd. Maybe it's due to the special tracking for source forms introduced via macros?" nil)
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(3469137984 :privmsg "bfein_" "anyone know how I can get SBCL to dump a core image? I am trying to run save-lisp-and-die, but am told that I cannot because more than 1 thread is currently running" nil)
(3469138003 :privmsg "bfein_" "do I need to start slime in some special way to get just 1 thread?" nil)
(3469138052 :privmsg "stassats" "don't start slime at all?" nil)
(3469138076 :privmsg "nyef" "If you want SWANK in your image, load it manually." nil)
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(3469138078 :privmsg "stassats" "start it in the saved image" nil)
(3469138192 :privmsg "bfein_" "I want an executable to start a swank server" nil)
(3469138192 :privmsg "bfein_" "I'm trying to use ncurses" nil)
(3469138192 :privmsg "bfein_" "and apparently it doesn't like emacs very much" nil)
(3469138192 :privmsg "bfein_" "I read that if you dump an executable image and connect to it, that that works much better" nil)
(3469138193 :privmsg "bfein_" "stassats: I'm not sure what you mean by \"start it in the saved image\"... also, if I don't start slime, how would I call save-lisp-and-die?" nil)
(3469138194 :privmsg "stassats" "nyef: i figured that's because of let-conversion, but i'm not sure anymore if this is a bug or a feature" nil)
(3469138197 :privmsg "nyef" "Right, so what you do is write a file that compiles and loads all the bits you want and then does a save-lisp-and-die." nil)
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(3469138295 :privmsg "stassats" "or from a file, or from --eval" nil)
(3469138295 :privmsg "lisppaste" "nyef pasted \"for bfein_: part of my current build-system.sh\" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/91704" nil)
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(3469138471 :privmsg "bfein_" "nice, thanks" nil)
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(3469138541 :privmsg "nyef" "My full build script first builds SBCL, then makes separate invocations of the fresh SBCL to compile the various libraries, then does a final run to build the new core. Along the way it builds documentation as provided and copies the pdfs to a common directory." nil)
(3469138743 :action "Xach" "is by coincidence working on something similar this evening" nil)
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(3469140811 :privmsg "pkhuong" "nyef: any progress on 63 bit fixnums?" nil)
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(3469140864 :privmsg "nyef" "Haven't messed with them today, so no." nil)
(3469140865 :privmsg "nyef" "You?" nil)
(3469140927 :privmsg "pkhuong" "same. I'm building on linux; debugging on darwin is too painful." nil)
(3469140947 :privmsg "nyef" "Debugging at all is painful." nil)
(3469141052 :privmsg "nyef" "When I realized that the assembler-routine for tail-call-variable was hosed I had actually broken out the sequence that looked broken to an xc test case that I could see fail as soon as it started and I could look over the assembly in the trace file." nil)
(3469141077 :privmsg "nyef" "That, /show0 and slam.sh are about the extent of usable debug I have." nil)
(3469141115 :privmsg "nyef" "If the system calls %primitive halt, there's no interrupt context and no backtrace." nil)
(3469141132 :privmsg "pkhuong" "I get a really weird failure in your xc test, so I'm hoping it's platform-related somehow" nil)
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(3469141141 :privmsg "nyef" "\"weird failure\"?" nil)
(3469141156 :privmsg "bfein_" "anyone recall what I need to set to get slime to display function signatures while I'm editing lisp files? It displays the signature when I'm messing around at the REPL, but not while editing files..." nil)
(3469141157 :privmsg "nyef" "Hey, does slam work on darwin?" nil)
(3469141163 :privmsg "nyef" "Might be related if it doesn't." nil)
(3469141181 :privmsg "pkhuong" "it does, sometimes." nil)
(3469141184 :privmsg "nyef" "bfein_: I find that the signatures show up after I hit the space bar." nil)
(3469141194 :privmsg "nyef" "pkhuong: But less reliably than on linux?" nil)
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(3469141215 :privmsg "bfein_" "not for me... they do on my work machine, but I can't seem to find the setting... IIRC, they didn't always show up on my work machine, I had to set something..." nil)
(3469141229 :privmsg "nyef" "Maybe slime-fancy or something?" nil)
(3469141253 :privmsg "stoop" "pkhuong, did you see the other link? \"Concurrent Programming Without Locks\"" nil)
(3469141270 :privmsg "stoop" "pkhuong, it is also involving Tim Harris, the main contribution being mcas." nil)
(3469141271 :privmsg "pkhuong" "stoop: yes." nil)
(3469141280 :privmsg "stoop" "Ok." nil)
(3469141280 :privmsg "bfein_" "I'm pretty sure sbcl is loading with that, as I have a *slime-repl sbcl* buffer... I'm not sure where the magic init files are for sbcl (installed with ubuntu package manager...)" nil)
(3469141288 :privmsg "pkhuong" "That's what prompted me to submit that paper." nil)
(3469141297 :privmsg "stoop" "Thanks, please share away. :-)" nil)
(3469141305 :privmsg "pkhuong" "stoop: reddit thinks I'm a spammer ;)" nil)
(3469141309 :privmsg "stoop" "pkhuong, I'll make you moderator." nil)
(3469141341 :privmsg "stoop" "pkhuong, I'll unban what you posted." nil)
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(3469141364 :privmsg "pkhuong" "nyef: wtf? SP is corrupted?" nil)
(3469141395 :privmsg "nyef" "pkhuong: Heh. Even value not a multiple of the word size?" nil)
(3469141419 :privmsg "pkhuong" "it's even, but gdb can't access the address." nil)
(3469141452 :privmsg "nyef" "Is it a multiple of 8, though?" nil)
(3469141456 :privmsg "pkhuong" "yes." nil)
(3469141465 :privmsg "nyef" "Wow." nil)
(3469141467 :privmsg "pkhuong" "erh, wait," nil)
(3469141483 :privmsg "pkhuong" "no, 0x...64" nil)
(3469141494 :privmsg "stassats" "bfein_: if you have recent slime and have slime-fancy contrib loaded, then it should work" nil)
(3469141495 :privmsg "bfein_" "ah, its because I was connecting to a swank instead of starting slime locally... hmm" nil)
(3469141503 :privmsg "nyef" "Can you pull the current stack limits from the thread structure?" nil)
(3469141505 :privmsg "bfein_" "I get them when I start slime normally" nil)
(3469141512 :privmsg "stassats" "bfein_: this shouldn't matter" nil)
(3469141518 :privmsg "nyef" "Or from wherever it's hiding on a singlethread system?" nil)
(3469141520 :privmsg "pkhuong" "stoop: I would have asked edwardk, but he's rarely on these days." nil)
(3469141642 :privmsg "bfein_" "I also keep getting \"Invalid Protocol Message\" when I'm connected to swank... hung my emacs after the 3rd one" nil)
(3469141643 :privmsg "stoop" "http://www.research.ibm.com/people/m/michael/podc-2002.pdf looks interesting." nil)
(3469141643 :privmsg "nyef" "bfein_: Are the slime and swank versions the same?" nil)
(3469141643 :privmsg "pkhuong" "stoop: hazard pointers? There's also a joint article with alexandrulescu (? or that other C++ dude)." nil)
(3469141643 :privmsg "stoop" "Is that paper using same approach he used for his older Hazard Pointers paper? (a list)" nil)
(3469141649 :privmsg "stoop" "That does not scale well enough for production use, really." nil)
(3469141676 :privmsg "stoop" "pkhuong, that is \"Safe Memory Reclamation for Dynamic Lock-Free Objects Using Atomic Reads and Writes\"" nil)
(3469141683 :privmsg "bfein_" "I'd expect so... I installed one version of sbcl (via the ubuntu package manager, so who knows what crazyness it did), and am dumping the image with \"sbcl --load <file-with-image-dumping-commands>\", then running the resulting executable, then starting my emacs and connecting to the server" nil)
(3469141711 :privmsg "nyef" "... You lost me at \"ubuntu package manager\", I'm afraid." nil)
(3469141739 :privmsg "bfein_" "I'll check my swank version" nil)
(3469141782 :privmsg "pkhuong" "stoop: eh? The important idea with HPs is the correctness. Improving the internal data structures isn't really the hard part." nil)
(3469141798 :privmsg "pkhuong" "meh. ldb should be 64ified better." nil)
(3469141828 :privmsg "nyef" "Hell, ldb can't even dump a 64-bit interrupt context properly on mainline." nil)
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(3469141862 :action "nyef" "checks." nil)
(3469141869 :privmsg "nyef" "Nope, haven't checked that into mainline yet." nil)
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(3469141922 :privmsg "bfein_" "nyef: yup, slime and swank versions are the same" nil)
(3469141945 :privmsg "nyef" "bfein_: My next thought would be coding systems if you're using non-ascii characters anywhere." nil)
(3469141955 :privmsg "nyef" "bfein_: Beyond that, no clue." nil)
(3469141959 :privmsg "stoop" "pkhuong, I am not disputing this." nil)
(3469141963 :privmsg "bfein_" "I'm not... :-/" nil)
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(3469142010 :privmsg "pkhuong" "nyef: I get the same error wrt (SB!C:SOURCE-LOCATION), \"The value (STRING-EQUAL (CAR (LAST SB!C::DIR)) \"output\") is not of type NUMBER\"." nil)
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(3469142053 :privmsg "nyef" "I think the thing that irritates me the most about LDB is that the backtraces don't show interrupted frames on x86oids and the context display doesn't look up the EIP value to display it either." nil)
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(3469142078 :privmsg "nyef" "pkhuong: That's odd. How do you get that?" nil)
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(3469142151 :privmsg "pkhuong" "nyef: simply running your tests." nil)
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(3469142240 :privmsg "stoop" "pkhuong, in fact, it seems I was confused. :-)" nil)
(3469142260 :privmsg "stoop" "pkhuong, http://www.research.ibm.com/people/m/michael/ieeetpds-2004.pdf" nil)
(3469142276 :privmsg "stoop" "Anyways, I'm back to work." nil)
(3469142281 :privmsg "pkhuong" "nyef: that's in (aver (string-equal (car (last dir)) \"output\")) :|" nil)
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(3469142363 :privmsg "nyef" "How utterly bizarre." nil)
(3469142373 :privmsg "nyef" "Oh, wait." nil)
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(3469142385 :privmsg "nyef" "That's in %failed-aver, isn't it?" nil)
(3469142387 :privmsg "pkhuong" "right" nil)
(3469142398 :privmsg "nyef" "You have a blown aver before the package system has been initialized, maybe?" nil)
(3469142402 :privmsg "pkhuong" "oh." nil)
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(3469142422 :privmsg "pkhuong" "It's your test framework (:" nil)
(3469142433 :privmsg "nyef" "Not my test framework." nil)
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(3469142442 :privmsg "nyef" "Independent change." nil)
(3469142485 :privmsg "pkhuong" "That's from run-xc-tests.sh" nil)
(3469142487 :privmsg "nyef" "That was because I was getting a blown aver before the package system was initialized, so the \"too early in cold init\" -test- failed, and when I faked that out it turned out that the -streams- hadn't been set up either." nil)
(3469142503 :privmsg "nyef" "Umm... wow." nil)
(3469142556 :privmsg "pkhuong" "oh dammit. shl instead of shr." nil)
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(3469142706 :privmsg "nyef" "Oh, I know why this works for me and not for you." nil)
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(3469142750 :privmsg "nyef" "And I'm sorely tempted to use git blame to find out who set this disaster up." nil)
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(3469142774 :privmsg "pkhuong" "nyef: is there a quick fix?" nil)
(3469142795 :privmsg "nyef" "Yeah. Have your sbcl build directory -inside- a directory called \"src\"." nil)
(3469142807 :privmsg "nyef" "It's that stupid." nil)
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(3469142815 :privmsg "pkhuong" "nope, not even!" nil)
(3469142827 :privmsg "pkhuong" "I'm tempted to just kill source locations in the xc for now" nil)
(3469142852 :privmsg "pkhuong" "I'll blame the shl for now." nil)
(3469142857 :privmsg "nyef" "And I'm patching the %failed-aver thing a bit." nil)
(3469142921 :privmsg "nyef" "Putting a #-sb-xc-host before the boundp test." nil)
(3469142941 :privmsg "pkhuong" "63 bit fixnums are a really interesting proposition for the rest of the system. You can still index even in vectors of complex doubles directly, and overflow tests are fairly simpler." nil)
(3469143001 :privmsg "nyef" "Seriously, though. make-file-info-namestring does a position test on a pathname-directory for \"src\", then if it doesn't find it as a directory name it asserts that it's output/stuff-groveled-from-headers.lisp." nil)
(3469143022 :privmsg "nyef" "Since the xc tests aren't under src/, it chokes unless the entire SBCL tree is under src/." nil)
(3469143049 :privmsg "pkhuong" "nyef: oh.. So putting everything under src/ would be good?" nil)
(3469143060 :privmsg "nyef" "Well, it'd get further, at least." nil)
(3469143118 :privmsg "pkhuong" "I'll just kill source locations for now." nil)
(3469143169 :privmsg "nyef" "I don't know how to make this not suck without pushing the xc tests into src/ or hot-patching it at xc-test-build time." nil)
(3469143169 :privmsg "pkhuong" "interesting, failure in make-core-component; potentially the first foreign call." nil)
(3469143184 :privmsg "nyef" "make-core-component? That sounds familiar..." nil)
(3469143195 :privmsg "nyef" "Oh, right." nil)
(3469143216 :privmsg "nyef" "(common-lisp::flet without-gcing-body-[make-core-component]30)." nil)
(3469143235 :privmsg "nyef" "Then about five foreign frames, then an sb!kernel:internal-error." nil)
(3469143246 :privmsg "pkhuong" "right. more /show0, to make sure the backtrace isn't misleading." nil)
(3469143280 :privmsg "nyef" "This is actually getting fairly late in cold-init, isn't it?" nil)
(3469143305 :privmsg "pkhuong" "pprint-cold-init." nil)
(3469143323 :privmsg "pkhuong" "We're close." nil)
(3469143369 :privmsg "nyef" "Now, the issue is that we have two interrupt contexts and no actual error description." nil)
(3469143456 :privmsg "pkhuong" "I have a decent idea of what goes in that part of the code. printf debugging (:" nil)
(3469143507 :privmsg "nyef" "Hrm." nil)
(3469143539 :action "nyef" "adds :trace-file for target-core and slams." nil)
(3469143554 :privmsg "nyef" "There are only so many possible errors, after all." nil)
(3469143702 :privmsg "brutus" "why does slime complain that function while is undefined, whereas gcl doesn't?" nil)
(3469143734 :privmsg "pkhuong" "brutus: maybe GCL's default package includes a WHILE macro." nil)
(3469143770 :privmsg "brutus" "pkhuong, can I make slime use gcl? I think it uses sbcl right now..." nil)
(3469143842 :privmsg "pkhuong" "I'm not sure how useful SLIME/GCL is." nil)
(3469143877 :privmsg "nyef" "Looks like the options are one of seven type-check-errors or one layout-invalid." nil)
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(3469144035 :quit "davazp`" "Remote closed the connection" "n=user@146.Red-79-154-153.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net")
(3469144067 :privmsg "nyef" "How odd... it's not matching up with any of the type-check-error vops in this component." nil)
(3469144075 :privmsg "nyef" "Oh. Silly me. Check the map first." nil)
(3469144098 :privmsg "nyef" "It's in make-fun-entry." nil)
(3469144187 :privmsg "nyef" "VOP TYPE-CHECK-ERROR CODE-OBJ!24[R9] 'CODE-COMPONENT!82[Const12]>t83[RAX]" nil)
(3469144187 :privmsg "nyef" "        MOV     #<TN t83[RAX]>, #<TN 'CODE-COMPONENT!82[Const12]>" nil)
(3469144213 :privmsg "nyef" "Oops. Only meant to get the first line of that." nil)
(3469144319 :privmsg "nyef" "... That's not right... It's an o-p, but the header is #x631: simple fun header." nil)
(3469144472 :privmsg "bfein_" "hmm, pasted something but pastebot doesn't seem to want to display it... http://paste.lisp.org/display/91708 is a paste with the oddness I'm seeing from swank. If I start slime normally first, then connect to the swank (without disconnecting my local slime), everything seems to work fine" nil)
(3469144484 :privmsg "nyef" "Heh. I just thought of another way to fake out the xc-test build thing. If I have a src/ directory under xc-tests/." nil)
(3469144486 :privmsg "pkhuong" "compute-fun is suspect then." nil)
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(3469144581 :privmsg "nyef" "How so?" nil)
(3469144590 :privmsg "nyef" "I'd have thought allocate-code-object." nil)
(3469144597 :privmsg "nyef" "Oh, I see." nil)
(3469144605 :privmsg "nyef" "The -second- entry." nil)
(3469144772 :privmsg "TDT" "When using sbcl to generate an executable (save image and die), is that executable able to be executed on any unix/linux system?" nil)
(3469144783 :privmsg "pkhuong" "fuck. \"Converting it to a fixnum makes it measure in bytes\"" nil)
(3469144798 :privmsg "nyef" "Where?" nil)
(3469144804 :privmsg "pkhuong" "alloc_code_object, actually (:" nil)
(3469144810 :privmsg "nyef" "Heh." nil)
(3469144810 :privmsg "Xach" "TDT: no." nil)
(3469144814 :privmsg "nyef" "Typical." nil)
(3469144837 :privmsg "pkhuong" "And I went there last month too." nil)
(3469144844 :privmsg "TDT" "Xach: Ah, unfortunate.  Was hoping to generate the iamge on gentoo and run it on osx command line." nil)
(3469144881 :privmsg "nyef" "Unbelievable what people will do to avoid an explicit shift or multiplu." nil)
(3469144885 :privmsg "nyef" "s/plu/ply/." nil)
(3469144934 :privmsg "Xach" "TDT: i think it will be easiest to generate the image on osx command line." nil)
(3469145005 :action "nyef" "is grateful for slam.sh." nil)
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(3469145443 :privmsg "nyef" "Okay, running that with --core output/cold-sbcl.core was bad." nil)
(3469145465 :privmsg "nyef" "Thought I was going to have to just hit the big red switch for a minute there." nil)
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(3469145650 :privmsg "bfein_" "that function isn't defined for me" nil)
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(3469145676 :privmsg "stassats" "M-: slime-protocol-version" nil)
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(3469145699 :privmsg "stassats" "well, anyway, update your slime" nil)
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(3469145725 :privmsg "stassats" "yeah, i fixed recently a similar problem you're describing" nil)
(3469145789 :privmsg "nyef" "pkhuong: I think I'm done for today. Good catch on alloc_code_object." nil)
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(3469146109 :privmsg "bfein_" "stassats: thanks, i'll try updating" nil)
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(3469147742 :privmsg "mcspiff" "for lisp" nil)
(3469147770 :privmsg "stassats" "no, unless you define \"smarter\"" nil)
(3469147854 :privmsg "mcspiff" "well, double click on a symbol written in lisp-case. If I double click once on \"lisp\" it selects the word \"lisp\". Double click again, it selects the entire line. Would be more useful to me if it selected \"lisp-case\", followed by the sexp instead of the line" nil)
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(3469152405 :action "p_l" "gets sudden ideas about porting SBCL to Cray and decides he needs a break" nil)
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(3469152460 :privmsg "Adlai" "ok, I need to have Windows set up for use at work, and even though I don't (yet!) use CL at work, I want to have a CL environment available in my WinXP setup" nil)
(3469152479 :privmsg "Adlai" "do people recommend Cygwin, some other posix environment, or something else?" nil)
(3469152480 :privmsg "Ralith" "Adlai: emacs+slime+CCL works fine." nil)
(3469152486 :privmsg "Ralith" "no special environments needed." nil)
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(3469153119 :privmsg "p_l" "Adlai: I personally used Emacs-W32 + copied systems from my linux clbuild install" nil)
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(3469153190 :privmsg "Adlai" "p_l, is that a special emacs or just whatever was available at the FSF site?" nil)
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(3469153239 :privmsg "adeht" "I used clisp but that was before ccl was available for Windows.. but clisp was ok for what I did anyway." nil)
(3469153616 :privmsg "Adlai" "I'll be using CCL anyways." nil)
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(3469153635 :privmsg "p_l" "and yes, I used CCL for that" nil)
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(3469154267 :privmsg "rukubites" "I want to do threadsafe memoization on function foo.  If I (declare (not-inline foo)) in functions where it is used, will overloading foo using flet in the calling function work to change which function is invoked down the execution path?" nil)
(3469154274 :privmsg "rukubites" "And hi. :-)" nil)
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(3469154342 :privmsg "stassats" "flet is lexical" nil)
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(3469154364 :privmsg "rukubites" "Good point, it is a special operator." nil)
(3469154391 :privmsg "stassats" "that doesn't matter" nil)
(3469154453 :privmsg "stassats" "function names introduced with flet have lexical scope withing flet's body" nil)
(3469154532 :privmsg "stassats" "so shadowing (the correct term) with flet won't affect code outside of this scope" nil)
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(3469154561 :privmsg "rukubites" "Yes, alas." nil)
(3469154590 :privmsg "stassats" "but what that has to do with memoization?" nil)
(3469154616 :privmsg "rukubites" "Am I mistaken in thinking that memoize (which IIRC manipulates the function table) is thread-unsafe?" nil)
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(3469154643 :privmsg "Adlai" "rukubites, you could make sure that writes to the memoize table are atomic" nil)
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(3469154668 :privmsg "Adlai" "on some lisps (eg CCL), they are, because hashtables are thread-safe by default" nil)
(3469154674 :privmsg "adeht" "rukubites: what function table?" nil)
(3469154680 :privmsg "stassats" "rukubites: that depends on what data structure you use for storing information and how you use it" nil)
(3469154691 :privmsg "Adlai" "adeht, I think he's talking about the collective \"function table\" of all symbol-functions" nil)
(3469154708 :privmsg "adeht" "Adlai: there's no such thing" nil)
(3469154718 :privmsg "Adlai" "adeht, I know. Tell him." nil)
(3469154759 :privmsg "rukubites" "Okay it sets the symbol-function, I don't normally dig this deep, and my practical abstractions work well enough from a lisp user's perspective." nil)
(3469154760 :privmsg "Adlai" "or I can. rukubites, the symbol->function mapping is maintained directly in symbols, using a cell called the \"function cell\"" nil)
(3469154769 :privmsg "Adlai" "clhs symbol-function" nil)
(3469154769 :privmsg "specbot" "http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_symb_1.htm" nil)
(3469154809 :privmsg "rukubites" "You are right, I wasn't correct at the hard implementation level." nil)
(3469154848 :privmsg "Adlai" "flet, on the other hand, is translated by the compiler into code that stores those functions lexically, so they never enter the function cell of symbols." nil)
(3469154851 :privmsg "adeht" "rukubites: I also wonder what you consider thread-safe and what you consider thread-unsafe in this context" nil)
(3469154873 :privmsg "rukubites" "adeht: fair question, I am not sure myself." nil)
(3469154890 :privmsg "Adlai" "rukubites, do you want memoized values to \"bleed\" between threads?" nil)
(3469154904 :privmsg "rukubites" "Adlai: that's a good way to put it... that is what I want to prevent." nil)
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(3469154911 :privmsg "Adlai" "could be good or bad depending on the exact functions" nil)
(3469154923 :privmsg "Adlai" "ok, so you'll need a separate memo table per thread" nil)
(3469154971 :privmsg "rukubites" "I guess I can just bind the memo-table and that might have the effect I was looking for.  For some reason I was thinking of flet in the same terms as binding special variables, which is just not right." nil)
(3469155006 :privmsg "stassats" "rukubites: why do you want to prevent it? results of your functions depend on a thread they are running?" nil)
(3469155009 :privmsg "rukubites" "I will dig into the code and check though." nil)
(3469155039 :privmsg "rukubites" "stassats: Well I am anticipating a possible problem and want to get things right the first time with my framework." nil)
(3469155041 :privmsg "adeht" "rukubites: that reminded me of a cute Siskind paper" nil)
(3469155063 :privmsg "Adlai" "stassats, I can imagine a situation where the results of functions depend on thread-local state" nil)
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(3469155091 :privmsg "stassats" "Adlai: i can too, so what?" nil)
(3469155116 :privmsg "stassats" "rukubites: then why are you doing memoization in the first place?" nil)
(3469155121 :privmsg "rukubites" "Actually I think I am being a bit over-worried about it.  The objects in the function are supposed to be immutable." nil)
(3469155129 :privmsg "rukubites" "And that holds across threads." nil)
(3469155136 :action "Adlai" "assumes that people asking questions understand their problems... maybe it's a bad assumption for most questioners in #lisp?" nil)
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(3469155165 :privmsg "adeht" "Adlai: I think many questions are like that in general" nil)
(3469155166 :privmsg "Adlai" "rukubites, ok, so you only need to worry about atomic access to the hashtables" nil)
(3469155169 :privmsg "rukubites" "Adlai: if I understood enough of the question, I wouldn't be here, I'd just look it up in the spec, etc." nil)
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(3469155206 :privmsg "stassats" "Adlai: they say lisp is good for problems you don't know answers for" nil)
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(3469155298 :privmsg "rukubites" "Adlai: I wrote a macro \"with-caching\" which I am happy enough protects the memo table from nastiness.  I think it is foolproof but not evilproof... not too concerned about people programming actively harmfully." nil)
(3469155323 :privmsg "Adlai" "lisppaste, url?" nil)
(3469155332 :privmsg "lisppaste" "To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/lisp and enter your paste." nil)
(3469155376 :privmsg "Adlai" "rukubites, you can put code (or stream your consciousness, but we might not be so happy) into the pastebin, and it'll be announced and linked in the channel" nil)
(3469155385 :privmsg "rukubites" "Adlai, thanks. :-)" nil)
(3469155393 :privmsg "rukubites" "I used to frequent this channel much more two years ago." nil)
(3469155407 :privmsg "rukubites" "But then I got a lisp job and have been hacking last two years." nil)
(3469155413 :privmsg "adeht" "rukubites: what is the memoization table for?" nil)
(3469155454 :privmsg "rukubites" "adeht: Well you memoize so you don't repeat expensive computations?" nil)
(3469155506 :privmsg "rukubites" "Adlai: Is there a reason you want to see the macro?  If it breaks somehow it is a bug I can fix.  I wrote it a year+ ago and it seems stable." nil)
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(3469155525 :privmsg "adeht" "ah, _that_ table.  you could have a per-thread table if it really matters" nil)
(3469155539 :privmsg "Adlai" "rukubites, I thought you wanted people to critique it." nil)
(3469155590 :privmsg "rukubites" "Adlai: no it is pretty mature. It basically just memoizes and then unmemoizes in an unwind-protect, but leaves functions already in the memoization table alone." nil)
(3469155621 :privmsg "Adlai" "ok" nil)
(3469155630 :privmsg "rukubites" "I can't remember why, but I think the memoize library's local-memos were the wrong fit." nil)
(3469155729 :privmsg "rukubites" "Thanks for your help people, you quickly dug to the core and clarified what I needed rather than what I was asking." nil)
(3469155729 :privmsg "adeht" "rukubites: see, that statement doesn't make sense to me.. \"functions already in the memoization table\".." nil)
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(3469155752 :privmsg "rukubites" "adeht: those that satisfy: memoize:function-memoized-p" nil)
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(3469155806 :privmsg "rukubites" "thanks again. :-)" nil)
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(3469155845 :privmsg "adeht" "is his \"memoization table\" structure like this: function -> inputs -> outputs ?.. weird decision" nil)
(3469155873 :privmsg "adeht" "I assumed each function has its own table." nil)
(3469155897 :privmsg "stassats" "in a closure, that's what i usually do" nil)
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(3469159825 :privmsg "beach" "maus: Fine thank you.  What about yourself?" nil)
(3469159882 :privmsg "maus" "beach: Thank you, I'm fine, too. :)" nil)
(3469159929 :privmsg "beach" "How is the project going?  Is there something you want me to do?" nil)
(3469159952 :privmsg "maus" "beach: vng has been being busy with moving his house, so he can not join in the channel frequently." nil)
(3469159968 :privmsg "beach" "I see." nil)
(3469160048 :privmsg "maus" "beach: it's okie sir. And we are trying fulfill the last requirement, that is creating the inputting bar." nil)
(3469160126 :privmsg "beach" "Great!  Send the code when you have something to show." nil)
(3469160168 :privmsg "maus" "beach: yes sir!" nil)
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(3469160721 :privmsg "maus" "beach: How is the weather there? Is it cold now? In HCM, it is not cooler as usual, It's still hot. When will be the winter vacation in France?" nil)
(3469160830 :privmsg "beach" "Right now (at 8:45) it is 12°C which is pretty warm for the season.  And it's raining.   I suspect most people at the university will take time off from December 19th to January 3rd." nil)
(3469160892 :privmsg "beach" "maus: But the worst part is the darkness.  We now have less than 9 hours of sunlight per day. :(" nil)
(3469161019 :privmsg "beach" "So the good thing about spending 1 month in Vietnam is that when I get back, there will already be more than 9h of sunlight per day." nil)
(3469161106 :privmsg "maus" "beach: :)" nil)
(3469161135 :privmsg "beach" "But I hope the temperature drops in T.P. HCM before I get there beginning of January." nil)
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(3469161359 :privmsg "maus" "beach: I think at that time, in January, the weather here is better! :)" nil)
(3469161376 :privmsg "beach" "Yeah, it should be." nil)
(3469161402 :privmsg "maus" "beach: I think it's a little bit bore with raining in winter.. :( it's the same here, sometimes, we have heavy rain in December. :(" nil)
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(3469161561 :privmsg "maus" "beach: ah, I have just updated Emacs to version 23, and the text-size is a little bit large for me to read by default. Can you show me how to adjust the text-size?" nil)
(3469161596 :privmsg "beach" "maus: When you start Emacs, you can give it a font name: -fn 7x13 or something like that." nil)
(3469161612 :privmsg "beach" "maus: You find the available fonts by doing xlsfonts." nil)
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(3469161926 :privmsg "beach" "Sure, no problem." nil)
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(3469163244 :privmsg "beach" "OK, so who would be interested in helping me put some order in the McCLIM demos; remove old ones, fix up the ones that don't work, improve some of them?" nil)
(3469163357 :privmsg "lhz" "beach: what is the difficulty level?" nil)
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(3469163384 :privmsg "beach" "lhz: Hard to say.  Some CLIM knowledge could be useful of course." nil)
(3469163399 :privmsg "beach" "lhz: But they are simple applications of at most a few hundred lines of code." nil)
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(3469163648 :privmsg "beach" "The biggest one is hefner's logic cube (and it doesn't work) with 472 lines." nil)
(3469163663 :privmsg "beach" "Then clim-fig has 404 lines, but it works, so nothing to do there." nil)
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(3469163745 :privmsg "lhz" "beach: what clx is recommended with mcclim?" nil)
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(3469163804 :privmsg "beach" "lhz: The best thing is to install both with clbuild.  Then you get the cvs McCLIM and Krystof's darcs CLX." nil)
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(3469163946 :privmsg "lhz" "beach: great, lets try it!" nil)
(3469163958 :privmsg "beach" "lhz: Good!" nil)
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(3469164551 :privmsg "beach" "minion: memo for hefner: Your logic-cube McCLIM demo doesn't seem to work.  Do you have any idea what needs to be done to fix it?" nil)
(3469164551 :privmsg "minion" "Remembered. I'll tell hefner when he/she/it next speaks." nil)
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(3469164874 :privmsg "beach" "Will anyone be very sad if I remove the traffic-lights demo?  I don't think it illustrates anything useful that is not already illustrated by other examples." nil)
(3469164968 :privmsg "maus" "beach: we are interested. Can we try? But we will spend much time doing that with our current knowledge. Can we?" nil)
(3469164997 :privmsg "beach" "maus: That might be possible.  You can always try." nil)
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(3469165061 :privmsg "beach" "Krystof: Any suggestions?" nil)
(3469165090 :privmsg "Krystof" "trac on cl.net or launchpad" nil)
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(3469165118 :privmsg "beach" "Krystof: OK, I'll have a look." nil)
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(3469165299 :privmsg "tcr" "I'd suggest launchpad now that clx is on launchpad, too.  I think that could possibly help crosslinking purposes although I do not actually know if LP has such facilities" nil)
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(3469165454 :privmsg "maus" "beach: can you suggest us detailed works?" nil)
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(3469165583 :privmsg "beach" "maus: Start by running the demodemo program, click on each button and see what demos fail." nil)
(3469165708 :privmsg "beach" "tcr: OK, so lauchpad it is.  Now I just have to figure out how it works." nil)
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(3469165763 :privmsg "p_l" "beach: maybe split the demos into individual files and from that make them into tests?" nil)
(3469165780 :privmsg "beach" "p_l: Each demo is already in a different file." nil)
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(3469165864 :privmsg "Jafet" "Er, s/^.*$//" nil)
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(3469165983 :privmsg "beach" "OK, for starters, I understand virtually nothing from the Launchpad \"tour\"." nil)
(3469165995 :action "beach" "reads the guide instead." nil)
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(3469168258 :privmsg "beach" "nyef: What is considered to be the most up-to-date version of the CLX manual?" nil)
(3469168280 :privmsg "ngirard_" "Hi all. I'm new to this channel ; hoo-hah told me about it on #emacs. I'm mainly interested in emacs-lisp and still learning it" nil)
(3469168302 :privmsg "ngirard_" "Here's my first dumb question:" nil)
(3469168307 :privmsg "ngirard_" "What's the usual way of testing if s is a non-nil string ?" nil)
(3469168334 :privmsg "beach" "ngirard_: You are out of luck because this channel is mainly about Common Lisp." nil)
(3469168347 :privmsg "beach" "ngirard_: A string is never nil." nil)
(3469168367 :privmsg "ngirard_" "beach: Hi. So would you advice me to stay on #emacs ?" nil)
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(3469168386 :privmsg "ngirard_" "I tried (if s xxx yyy) and emacs complained" nil)
(3469168392 :privmsg "beach" "ngirard_: Probably yes.  There might be some people here who know Emacs Lisp." nil)
(3469168406 :privmsg "ngirard_" "oh wait" nil)
(3469168429 :privmsg "ngirard_" "if: Wrong type argument: arrayp, (\"joe\")" nil)
(3469168430 :privmsg "beach" "ngirard_: If s is a string, then that test is always true." nil)
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(3469168446 :privmsg "beach" "ngirard_: At least in CL." nil)
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(3469168454 :privmsg "ngirard_" "sorry, my question would be, how to test whether an arrayp is empty" nil)
(3469168480 :privmsg "beach" "ngirard_: In CL, you would check the length for 0: (zerop (length s))" nil)
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(3469168514 :privmsg "ngirard_" "Aha, ok, thanks beach. Indeed i've seen zerop in elisp code" nil)
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(3469168548 :privmsg "lhz" "beach: what is the \"entry\" function to start puzzle.lisp?" nil)
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(3469168609 :privmsg "maus" "beach: I ran the demos, all demos start and work with me. I have errors while using \"Font selector\" and \" D&D Translator\"." nil)
(3469168609 :privmsg "attila_lendvai" "lhz, it's a puzzle, right? :)" nil)
(3469168616 :privmsg "fusss" "I can't see it in the slime manual, how can I set the encoding type for i/o? I see in *inferior-lisp* a progn form is used to funcall a few functions read from streams and one of them takes a :coding-system argument. Not what's emacs lisp and what's CL." nil)
(3469168627 :privmsg "lhz" "attila_lendvai: :)" nil)
(3469168637 :privmsg "beach" "maus: Yes, the font selector generates errors." nil)
(3469168658 :privmsg "beach" "maus:" nil)
(3469168664 :privmsg "beach" "maus: And the D&D demo does as well." nil)
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(3469168676 :privmsg "beach" "maus: The first thing to do would be to check why they break." nil)
(3469168681 :privmsg "fusss" "cheers _3b!" nil)
(3469168693 :privmsg "_3b" "fusss: or (swank:create-server :coding-system \"utf-8\")  from lisp side" nil)
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(3469168732 :privmsg "beach" "lhz: There isn't one it seems." nil)
(3469168759 :privmsg "maus" "beach: \"D&D Translator\" will has error if we drag the rectangle out of its window?!.." nil)
(3469168778 :privmsg "beach" "lhz: the demodemo code does (run-frame-top-level (make-application-frame 'puzzle :calling-frame *application-frame*))" nil)
(3469168802 :privmsg "beach" "maus: I don't know.  I haven't looked into it." nil)
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(3469168989 :action "beach" "now has a launchpad account" nil)
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(3469169462 :privmsg "tic" "modal-mode.el wasn't half-bad, and it works in lisp-mode. Hmm..." nil)
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(3469169673 :privmsg "H4ns" "tic: is that some form of declaration of surrender? :)" nil)
(3469169695 :privmsg "tic" "H4ns, hehe. maybe!" nil)
(3469169719 :privmsg "H4ns" "tic: congratulations and welcome!" nil)
(3469169791 :privmsg "tic" "H4ns, haha, thanks! I'll have to continue my evaluation, but yeah, it's getting closer. Feels like there's less work to tweak Emacs to behave properly than to work around Vim's main loop and lack of a decent programming language." nil)
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(3469169806 :privmsg "H4ns" "*gg*" nil)
(3469169832 :privmsg "herbieB" "NOoooooooooo" nil)
(3469169870 :privmsg "beach" "tic: Have you started using Emacs?" nil)
(3469169903 :privmsg "tic" "beach, not for daily work, but I just looked at modal-mode.el which looks very promising." nil)
(3469169949 :privmsg "herbieB" "Another one is seduced!  Alas." nil)
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(3469170033 :privmsg "beach" "OK, there is now a McCLIM launchpad project." nil)
(3469170199 :privmsg "maus" "beach: I'm sorry, I have to go to the central city with my sister now. See you soon. :)" nil)
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(3469170630 :privmsg "tic" "herbieB, don't worry - I won't switch to Emacs until it emulates Vim. :-)" nil)
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(3469171019 :privmsg "_3b" "hmm, did sb-sys:serve-all-events stop working to let slime evaluate stuff while the lisp is busy at some point?" nil)
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(3469171671 :privmsg "beach" "maus: Sure, see you later." nil)
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(3469172215 :privmsg "beach" "Hmm, how do I specify a bug tracker in Launchpad.  I probably should have done that when I created the project, but I didn't see it then." nil)
(3469172318 :privmsg "beach" "Ah, found it." nil)
(3469172336 :privmsg "tic" "Where is the bug tracker?" nil)
(3469172356 :privmsg "beach" "You need to click on \"change details\" in the project overview page." nil)
(3469172552 :privmsg "tic" "are you going to use bugs.launchpad.net/mcclim or an external?" nil)
(3469172569 :privmsg "beach" "lunchpad I assume.  I think that was the point." nil)
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(3469172600 :privmsg "tic" "Aha. It soudned like you wanted to point to an external." nil)
(3469172617 :privmsg "beach" "No, I don't think so." nil)
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(3469172814 :privmsg "beach" "OK, go ahead and report your McCLIM bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/mcclim/+bugs" nil)
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(3469173081 :privmsg "lhz" "beach: I got stuck trying to solve puzzle.. atleast it seems to work :)  .. do you have a list of what demos doesn't work?" nil)
(3469173194 :privmsg "beach" "lhz: Of the ones in demodemo, the drag&drop and font selector don't work.  But there are other demos in the Examples directory that should either be removed or improved and included in demodemo.  I haven't tested those yet." nil)
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(3469173513 :privmsg "kiuma" "for integers there is parse-integer. but for ratio do I only have read-from-string ?" nil)
(3469173558 :privmsg "_3b" "minion: tell kiuma about parse-number" nil)
(3469173559 :privmsg "minion" "kiuma: direct your attention towards parse-number: parse-number is a Library of functions which accept an arbitrary string and attempt to parse it into one of the standard Common Lisp number types, if possible, or else it signals an error of type invalid-number. http://www.cliki.net/parse-number" nil)
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(3469178375 :privmsg "lhz" "beach: sliderdemo seems broken: http://paste.lisp.org/display/91716#1  ..  is it a candidate for polishment?" nil)
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(3469178461 :privmsg "beach" "lhz: Looks that way, yes." nil)
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(3469179271 :privmsg "nyef" "G'morning all." nil)
(3469179293 :privmsg "nyef" "beach: I'd consider whichever version you can build from the source tree to be most-likely up-to-date, but don't know for sure." nil)
(3469179336 :privmsg "nyef" "I've been thinking about splitting up the monolithic texinfo source into smaller files that are individually easier to navigate for editing, yet still produce the same output." nil)
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(3469180023 :privmsg "beach" "nyef: That sounds like a good idea." nil)
(3469180067 :privmsg "beach" "nyef: I am asking because the documentation on the render extension is very skimpy and requires knowledge about the protocol or of the C implementation." nil)
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(3469180132 :privmsg "nyef" "Yeah, auditing the documentation for the extensions was on Xof's todo list." nil)
(3469180253 :privmsg "nyef" "So, it finally became unavoidable to me today: Anywhere the CLIM spec says a class \"is mixed into\" some other set of classes means that it's expected to happen at runtime." nil)
(3469180286 :privmsg "lhz" "beach: annotated that patch with a possible fix (dont know what I'm doing type of) :)" nil)
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(3469180319 :privmsg "beach" "lhz: Thanks!" nil)
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(3469180544 :privmsg "brutus" "I want to write 2 statements in the body of a 'cond'....one 'setf' and another which I want to return....how do I combine them?" nil)
(3469180572 :privmsg "beach" "brutus: Just put one after the other.  Cond has an implicit progn." nil)
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(3469180596 :privmsg "beach" "brutus: Which is not the case for IF for instance, so in that case you will have to use an explicit progn." nil)
(3469180631 :privmsg "brutus" "beach, oh...I'll have to look up what progn means :)" nil)
(3469180656 :privmsg "beach" "clhs progn" nil)
(3469180656 :privmsg "specbot" "http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/s_progn.htm" nil)
(3469180717 :privmsg "brutus" "thanks" nil)
(3469180827 :privmsg "beach" "no problem" nil)
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(3469181188 :privmsg "beach" "lhz: Yes, that was definitely a bug.  Frame-panes (despite its name) returns the top-level pane only." nil)
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(3469181346 :privmsg "nyef" "... Okay, the graphics model -starts- to make sense, in a \"what the heck were they thinking?!?\" kind of way." nil)
(3469181361 :privmsg "beach" "nyef: Which one?" nil)
(3469181381 :privmsg "nyef" "CLIM II." nil)
(3469181381 :privmsg "specbot" "Sorry, I couldn't find anything for II.." nil)
(3469181388 :privmsg "nyef" "Heh." nil)
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(3469181503 :privmsg "nyef" "The obvious damage is that, while you can compose a diagram of arbitrary points, lines, and arcs, under whatever mismatched set of transforms you want, line -thickness- isn't set until you hit draw-design, which means that you get a uniform line thickness." nil)
(3469181598 :privmsg "nyef" "... Nope, no obvious way to convert a pixmap to a pattern that can then be expressly translated..." nil)
(3469181668 :privmsg "lhz" "beach: I'm looking at Examples/logic-cube.lisp, it works here" nil)
(3469181689 :privmsg "beach" "lhz: It doesn't crash here, but it doesn't do anything either." nil)
(3469181733 :privmsg "lhz" "beach: ok, I'm loading it using a similar loader as the one in my paste. I can rotate the cube and change colors when clicking." nil)
(3469181791 :privmsg "nyef" "And then you could want to distinguish between lines that merely have their endpoints translated and lines for which you want the width to be translated as well, so if you have a non-rotational, non-rectilinear transform (a 3-point transform or the result of composing a translation and the output of make-transform, which is rather broken-seeming) you can get a line that seems to narrow as it moves off into the \"distance\"." nil)
(3469181820 :privmsg "nyef" "So, as a drawing model, it's cute, but broken." nil)
(3469181845 :privmsg "beach" "lhz: hmm." nil)
(3469181872 :privmsg "nyef" "And, really, -texture mapping-?" nil)
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(3469182043 :privmsg "akamaus" "hi all, in which package slime compiles a form then I press C-c C-c ?" nil)
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(3469182073 :privmsg "Xach" "akamaus: it will check for an in-package form in the buffer and use that" nil)
(3469182091 :privmsg "Xach" "akamaus: if there is no in-package form, i'm not sure...maybe whatever the repl package is" nil)
(3469182207 :privmsg "akamaus" "Xach, thanks, and what if buffer contains several in-package forms? I remember I saw such things somewhere" nil)
(3469182280 :privmsg "lnostdal" "if you put #.(pprint *package*) inside the form (somewhere where it won't \"disturb\" the form), you can check" nil)
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(3469182358 :privmsg "brutus" "I want to write a function that uses a fixed initial value whenever it is called...i'm doing this by enclosing it in a let block which sets the initial value......but everytime I call this function it remembers the modified value instead of using the initial value...how do i fix this?" nil)
(3469182363 :privmsg "Xach" "akamaus: i don't know. i don't think that situation is advisable." nil)
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(3469182382 :privmsg "Xach" "brutus: what kind of value is it?" nil)
(3469182391 :privmsg "Xach" "brutus: is it...a list? like '(1 2 3)?" nil)
(3469182406 :privmsg "brutus" "Xach, it is a list...i want to use a default list everytime I call the function" nil)
(3469182414 :privmsg "nyef" "akamaus: If memory serves, slime will compile a single form in the package of the -most recent- in-package form, textually." nil)
(3469182417 :privmsg "Xach" "brutus: don't" nil)
(3469182421 :privmsg "Xach" "brutus: don't modify a quoted list." nil)
(3469182425 :privmsg "nyef" "Though the modeline is updated rather lazily." nil)
(3469182427 :privmsg "Xach" "brutus: use (list 1 2 3)" nil)
(3469182446 :privmsg "nyef" "brutus: Or (copy-list '(1 2 3))." nil)
(3469182463 :privmsg "schme" "brutus: Why are you modifying it if you want it to be tha same?" nil)
(3469182479 :privmsg "brutus" "Xach, i'm not modifying a quoted list...it is a variable like (let ((my-list ())...." nil)
(3469182501 :privmsg "nyef" "McCLIM doesn't do composition?" nil)
(3469182513 :privmsg "Xach" "brutus: oh. in that case i'd be very curious to see the code. can you paste it to paste.lisp.org/new/lisp?" nil)
(3469182528 :privmsg "brutus" "schme, the list is like an accumulator for every call of the function..." nil)
(3469182558 :privmsg "schme" "brutus: Yet you want it to be the same default every time you call the function?  seems not to accumulate much then :)" nil)
(3469182561 :privmsg "beach" "nyef: What kind of composition?" nil)
(3469182581 :privmsg "nyef" "compose-over ?" nil)
(3469182585 :privmsg "schme" "brutus: but maybe  (let ((var ..)) (defun .... (let ((foo var)) ....))) ?" nil)
(3469182621 :privmsg "jdz" "Xach: btw, i published the blog entry (finally)." nil)
(3469182661 :privmsg "Xach" "jdz: i posted it to reddit 30 minutes ago :)" nil)
(3469182684 :privmsg "jdz" "Xach: oh, can't surprise you with anything :)" nil)
(3469182716 :privmsg "lhz" "does anyone know why clisp barks when used in a makefile? Only way to exit-0 is to bind i/o to /dev/null." nil)
(3469182722 :privmsg "brutus" "schme, Xach, http://paste.lisp.org/display/91718 ... pardon me if I don't follow functional prog paradigms too stringently :-)" nil)
(3469182728 :privmsg "Guthur" "schme i never thought of enclosing a function in a let binding before, thanks for the inspiration hehe" nil)
(3469182763 :privmsg "Guthur" "brutus no one here will force you to follow functional programming paradigms" nil)
(3469182821 :privmsg "tic" "brutus, move the let to inside the function." nil)
(3469182823 :action "nyef" "still says that \"functional\" means \"gets the job done\"." nil)
(3469182824 :privmsg "Xach" "brutus: instead of binding your accumulator, pass it as an argument." nil)
(3469182832 :privmsg "Xach" "tic: that won't work for the recursive accumulation idea." nil)
(3469182846 :privmsg "tic" "Xach, and again, I missed context." nil)
(3469182854 :action "tic" "goes back to debugging odd SH4 devices instead." nil)
(3469182863 :privmsg "Xach" "nyef: i heard the term \"creeping elegance\" for the first time recently, in the context of not getting the job done..." nil)
(3469182864 :privmsg "brutus" "tic, would it reset it to null for every recursive call?" nil)
(3469182868 :privmsg "jdz" "\"functional programming\" is one of my upcoming blog entries' topic" nil)
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(3469182902 :privmsg "brutus" "Xach, would moving the let inside defun work?" nil)
(3469182917 :privmsg "Xach" "brutus: No. Then your recursive calls would not accumulate." nil)
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(3469183038 :privmsg "nyef" "Xach: You mean it slowly gets more and more \"elegant\" with respect to some aesthetic, but never actually does what it's supposed to?" nil)
(3469183070 :privmsg "beach" "nyef: It does compose-over, but that's the only one." nil)
(3469183081 :privmsg "nyef" "Ah." nil)
(3469183087 :privmsg "lhz" "I think I've reach my mcclim quota for today, anyone free to grab the bag at: http://paste.lisp.org/+1YRO/5" nil)
(3469183164 :privmsg "beach" "lhz: Thanks.  I am working on the slider demo, cleaning it up a bit." nil)
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(3469183233 :privmsg "beach" "lhz: What is your real name so that I can give you credit in the commit?" nil)
(3469183308 :privmsg "lhz" "beach: thank you, but I cant take credit for a 4-liner :).. btw that colorslide.lisp looks really wierd, looks unfinished.. I marked it Work-In-Progress" nil)
(3469183330 :privmsg "beach" "OK." nil)
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(3469183375 :privmsg "brutus" "Xach, is there a way other than to add an accumulator argument? can't I somehow reset the list to null whenever the function exits?" nil)
(3469183430 :privmsg "jdz" "brutus: another possibility is to have an inner function which accepts the extra parameter" nil)
(3469183439 :privmsg "tic" "or a global variable..." nil)
(3469183449 :privmsg "jdz" "global variables are eeeeeevil" nil)
(3469183455 :privmsg "tic" "depends on what you use them for." nil)
(3469183458 :privmsg "jdz" "especially the unnecessary ones" nil)
(3469183471 :privmsg "tic" "No, only the uneccessary ones. The others are very much not evil." nil)
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(3469183481 :privmsg "brutus" "but they're not as evil as gotos." nil)
(3469183484 :action "tic" "throws *package* away. and *s-o*, etc." nil)
(3469183499 :privmsg "jdz" "brutus: what's wrong with goto's? really?" nil)
(3469183511 :privmsg "brutus" "jdz, \"spaghetti programming\"" nil)
(3469183535 :privmsg "jdz" "brutus: spaghetti is not the result of goto's, but of the programmers." nil)
(3469183558 :privmsg "tic" "cf. meatball programming w/ objects." nil)
(3469183562 :privmsg "tic" "not a whole lot better." nil)
(3469183567 :privmsg "cmm" "tastlessness is evil, tastefullness is good" nil)
(3469183571 :privmsg "brutus" "jdz, but the tendency to spaghettization increases with an increase in the number of gotos" nil)
(3469183573 :privmsg "cmm" "there you go" nil)
(3469183601 :privmsg "nyef" "\"The tendency to have automobile accidents increases with an increase in automobiles.\"" nil)
(3469183613 :privmsg "jdz" "brutus: not really, look at PHP code without goto's (and don't be scared of the BIG SPAGHETTI MONSTERS living there)" nil)
(3469183624 :privmsg "cmm" "brutus: tendency to sgaghettize lives in the brain and can only be controlled externally, by using proper development processes" nil)
(3469183639 :privmsg "p_l" "brutus: there's stuff that causes more spaghettization the less gotos you have" nil)
(3469183672 :privmsg "schme" "brutus: Seems the prettiest way is to make a function with an extra argument, and a function with no argument that calls the other function with the init-arg there." nil)
(3469183676 :privmsg "jdz" "and on this same note, global variables fosters the spaghettization" nil)
(3469183730 :privmsg "brutus" "the only place I've seen gotos anyhow is intermediate code generated by compilers, other than that gotos often cause velociraptor fatalities" nil)
(3469183743 :privmsg "p_l" "brutus: state machines" nil)
(3469183746 :privmsg "schme" "brutus: I see you have not done much assembly coding :)" nil)
(3469183769 :privmsg "nyef" "Or looked at the linux kernel." nil)
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(3469183777 :privmsg "tcr" "heh" nil)
(3469183788 :privmsg "brutus" "schme, I was talking about C :-)" nil)
(3469183788 :privmsg "nyef" "There are gotos all over the place there, typically for error-handling." nil)
(3469183817 :privmsg "tcr" "yeah seems like a not-that-bad idiom for teardown" nil)
(3469183819 :privmsg "schme" "brutus: Ok. I must have missed the part where this got C specific." nil)
(3469183828 :privmsg "serichsen" "brutus: http://paste.lisp.org/display/91718#1" nil)
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(3469183894 :privmsg "wadner" "hi - is there a lisp that can run in the browser? like an interactive shell?" nil)
(3469183932 :privmsg "brutus" "serichsen, is-not-atom is not (not (atom...))....it means something else in my context :-)" nil)
(3469183945 :privmsg "serichsen" "wadner: http://www.lispforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=173" nil)
(3469183959 :privmsg "serichsen" "brutus: then it is badly named" nil)
(3469183990 :privmsg "schme" "Or very well named and everyone using teh code knows what an atom and not-an-atom is :)" nil)
(3469184022 :privmsg "schme" "Maybe it's particle physics or somesuch ;)" nil)
(3469184029 :privmsg "wadner" "thank you" nil)
(3469184030 :privmsg "serichsen" "yeah, ok" nil)
(3469184041 :privmsg "brutus" "serichsen, what i wanted was boolean atoms....like a,b,c, and (not a), (not b) etc....any symbol of the form (not a), (not b) etc. satisfies is-not-atom...bad naming, i know" nil)
(3469184078 :privmsg "serichsen" "(not a) is an atom?" nil)
(3469184100 :privmsg "brutus" "serichsen, in boolean logic, it can't be simplified further, that's why" nil)
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(3469184128 :privmsg "schme" "maybe BOOLEAN-ATOM-P" nil)
(3469184143 :privmsg "schme" "and wrap it in a NOT (:" nil)
(3469184160 :privmsg "brutus" ":p" nil)
(3469184198 :privmsg "Guthur" "or use when and unless" nil)
(3469184208 :privmsg "serichsen" "brutus: \"can't be simplified further\" is not what I would call \"atom\"" nil)
(3469184227 :privmsg "Guthur" "not any use as part of a combination i suppose" nil)
(3469184311 :privmsg "brutus" "serichsen, what would you call a, a', b, b' then? primes stand for negations" nil)
(3469184354 :privmsg "jdz" "brutus: what are those called in the domain you are programming?" nil)
(3469184362 :privmsg "serichsen" "I know negation as ¬a" nil)
(3469184371 :privmsg "jdz" "brutus: elements? gates?" nil)
(3469184379 :privmsg "nyef" "terms?" nil)
(3469184414 :privmsg "p_l" "wadner: http://joeganley.com/code/jslisp.html <--- definitely not CL, though" nil)
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(3469184548 :privmsg "brutus" "hmm.,,,they're the simplest minterms possible, aside from T/F, in boolean parlance" nil)
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(3469184612 :privmsg "nyef" "Okay, so they're a subtype of terms?" nil)
(3469184634 :privmsg "brutus" "yes" nil)
(3469184645 :privmsg "serichsen" "do you mean that \"a and b\" is also an \"atom\"?" nil)
(3469184671 :quit "Guthur" "\"Computer says no\"" "n=Michael@host81-156-232-46.range81-156.btcentralplus.com")
(3469184679 :privmsg "brutus" "not according to my definition" nil)
(3469184700 :privmsg "serichsen" "so, what is the difference between \"and\" and \"not\"?" nil)
(3469184706 :privmsg "nyef" "I'm unfamiliar with the term (if you'll excuse the phrase) \"minterm\". Would you accept \"primitive-term\", \"simple-term\", or \"basic-term\"?" nil)
(3469184727 :privmsg "nyef" "serichsen: AND is a binary function, not a unary function?" nil)
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(3469184764 :privmsg "serichsen" "nyef: and being unary lets it bind so tightly that you call the resulting expression an atom?" nil)
(3469184897 :privmsg "brutus" "serichsen, like a b c d.. are letters of the english alphabet, a, ~a, b, ~b are letters of my boolean language, whereas 'and' and 'or' are operators...i'm not using 'not' as an operator here" nil)
(3469184930 :privmsg "serichsen" "brutus: do I see that right that you intend to simplify boolean expressions?" nil)
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(3469184985 :privmsg "brutus" "serichsen, yes, I'm I have a function that applies Demorgan's laws too :-)...so i can't have a negation on a huge boolean expression, only 'atoms'" nil)
(3469184997 :privmsg "brutus" "*also having" nil)
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(3469185201 :privmsg "serichsen" "De Morgan's laws state that for example (boole-equal (not (or a b)) (and (not a) (not b))), right?" nil)
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(3469185266 :privmsg "nyef" "Maybe \"atomic terms\"?" nil)
(3469185283 :privmsg "serichsen" "how do you express that if you can't negate \"bigger\" boolean expressions?" nil)
(3469185311 :privmsg "nyef" "It's a definition for a \"normal form\" and the methods to transform a denormal form into it." nil)
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(3469186120 :privmsg "wadner" "thanks p_l!" nil)
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(3469186922 :privmsg "akamaus" "can someone advise a logging library? I constantly use print forms while debugging and quite often want to report some suspicious situations" nil)
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(3469187009 :privmsg "nyef" "akamaus: I've never needed/used a logging library, but the name that comes to mind is \"log4cl\"." nil)
(3469187018 :privmsg "fe[nl]ix" "hi beach" nil)
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(3469187071 :privmsg "nyef" "akamaus: At the same time, if you have simple needs, you might be able to just throw something together with a macro and a special variable or something." nil)
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(3469187171 :privmsg "fe[nl]ix" "hi froydnj" nil)
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(3469187211 :privmsg "akamaus" "nyef, Ideally I just want to see output in a separate emacs buffer" nil)
(3469187265 :privmsg "akamaus" "so it isn't mixed with repl" nil)
(3469187277 :privmsg "nyef" "Like... the *inferior-lisp* buffer?" nil)
(3469187339 :privmsg "akamaus" "nyef, so my *slime-repl sbcl* remains clean" nil)
(3469187355 :privmsg "akamaus" "what *inferior-lisp* is for?" nil)
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(3469187438 :privmsg "akamaus" "is there a way to bind debugging stream to separate buffer in slime?" nil)
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(3469187523 :privmsg "nyef" "I'm... not sure." nil)
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(3469187573 :privmsg "pkhuong" "C-c C-p maybe be what you want, if by output you mean the return value." nil)
(3469187588 :privmsg "nyef" "No, no... logging output." nil)
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(3469187623 :privmsg "pkhuong" "If you want a separate output log, write to a dedicated logging stream. I don't understand the problem." nil)
(3469187686 :privmsg "nyef" "pkhuong: Where does the logging stream output to, though?" nil)
(3469187692 :privmsg "pkhuong" "a random file." nil)
(3469187703 :privmsg "nyef" "Yeah, that's what I figured." nil)
(3469187719 :privmsg "akamaus" "pkhuong, can I redirect output to one of slime buffers?" nil)
(3469187722 :privmsg "nyef" "Although, maybe something with an emacs socket?" nil)
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(3469187777 :privmsg "pkhuong" "akamaus: revert-buffer." nil)
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(3469187828 :privmsg "nyef" "Use a shell buffer and tail -f?" nil)
(3469187952 :privmsg "tcr" "I'd like if output to *trace-output* went to a *Slime Trace* buffer" nil)
(3469187956 :privmsg "Xach" "M-x auto-revert-tail-mode" nil)
(3469187991 :privmsg "tcr" "it's not even difficult to hack that in, perhaps stassats will do it if someone asks him nicely" nil)
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(3469188185 :privmsg "tcr" "beach: I think you should post the mcclim list about the new bug tracker." nil)
(3469188227 :privmsg "Krystof" "oo, yes, particularly since I couldn't find today's IRC logs" nil)
(3469188239 :privmsg "beach" "OK. Will do." nil)
(3469188300 :privmsg "tcr" "beach: you should ask people to submit their old bug reports there" nil)
(3469188361 :privmsg "Krystof" "some manual triage of the bugs that Paolo listed on mccliki should be done too, if mccliki still exists" nil)
(3469188401 :privmsg "tcr" "what does he do nowadays?" nil)
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(3469188840 :privmsg "beach" "Done!" nil)
(3469188842 :privmsg "wadner" "say, if i have a server - how do i allow lisp to run via a browser?" nil)
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(3469188959 :privmsg "schme" "wadner: What you mean run it via the browser?" nil)
(3469189017 :privmsg "TDT" "I think he means web server." nil)
(3469189033 :privmsg "TDT" "not 100% sure though if that's what he means..but it's my best guess." nil)
(3469189041 :action "schme" "got the \"I want a repl in my browser window\" vibe." nil)
(3469189058 :privmsg "schme" "(in which case I'd.. run a web ssh client)" nil)
(3469189099 :privmsg "TDT" "yeah, I can see it going both ways....if you mean web server, wadner, then look up Hunchentoot." nil)
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(3469189242 :privmsg "schme" "I suppose it shouldn't be too much work to have huchentoot or some such output a box for entering sexps, and displaying the output from it :)" nil)
(3469189276 :privmsg "TDT" "heh, that's one way of doing it :)" nil)
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(3469189299 :privmsg "schme" "I can't imagine that blowing up in ones face." nil)
(3469189305 :privmsg "schme" "best run the lisp as root too :D" nil)
(3469189338 :privmsg "TDT" "of course, you don't want the page to require authentication if you're going to run it as root...and having it the index page of one's server is also a good idea." nil)
(3469189357 :privmsg "wadner" "well, best would be via the browser" nil)
(3469189375 :privmsg "schme" "wadner: We're not quite understanding what you mean \"via the browser\"." nil)
(3469189414 :privmsg "nyef" "Maybe via the smalltalk class browser?" nil)
(3469189424 :privmsg "wadner" "schme - something like this - http://joeganley.com/code/jslisp.html but common lisp :)" nil)
(3469189432 :privmsg "wadner" "weblisp.net seems to be down though" nil)
(3469189474 :quit "teur1" "Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)" "n=golovnev@212.98.161.178")
(3469189477 :privmsg "schme" "wadner: ok yeah.. right. You can write that yourself. Have some lisp webserver output a box, and an eval button... etc." nil)
(3469189486 :privmsg "schme" "wadner: I just think it's a Really Bad Idea." nil)
(3469189545 :privmsg "schme" "wadner: How will you prevent anyone browsing the site from doing anything evil?" nil)
(3469189554 :privmsg "TDT" "that's because it is...you have direct access to whatever that user has access to on the filesystem." nil)
(3469189555 :quit "yahooooo" "Connection timed out" "n=yahooooo@c-67-170-39-104.hsd1.wa.comcast.net")
(3469189561 :privmsg "Krystof" "clim with-presentation-type-parameters" nil)
(3469189561 :privmsg "specbot" "http://bauhh.dyndns.org:8000/clim-spec/23-3.html#_1179" nil)
(3469189563 :privmsg "wadner" "i'm just using it to learn lisp" nil)
(3469189583 :privmsg "wadner" "i'm at home on weekends and have no pc access" nil)
(3469189584 :privmsg "TDT" "wadner: If you're just beginning to learn lisp, this sorta project is a bad way to start out." nil)
(3469189597 :privmsg "schme" "wadner: If you're hell bent on doing this in a browser then I'd go with a java app ssh client thingie and ssh to wherever." nil)
(3469189615 :privmsg "wadner" "ok, i understand on the security side - just that when i read the examples and there are some tutorials - so thinking of running it to see how it works out" nil)
(3469189621 :privmsg "attila_lendvai" "tcr, i personally like seeing the log and the trace output mixed as extra timing information..." nil)
(3469189631 :privmsg "wadner" "probably go get a netbook then." nil)
(3469189638 :privmsg "schme" "wadner: I'm curious as to how you do your browsing without pc access :D" nil)
(3469189646 :privmsg "wadner" "on my phone" nil)
(3469189648 :privmsg "wadner" ":)" nil)
(3469189651 :privmsg "schme" "oho" nil)
(3469189652 :privmsg "attila_lendvai" "...although *trace-output* can be *standard-output*, so..." nil)
(3469189656 :privmsg "schme" "now it makes sense." nil)
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(3469189692 :action "schme" "mutters about back in the days when phones didn't have crazy shit and you had to run a mile every morning barefoot to collect firewood to fuel the car." nil)
(3469189700 :privmsg "Guthur" "compiling sbcl is it possible to explicitly set the location of the lisp to use" nil)
(3469189716 :privmsg "Krystof" "the first argument to make.sh" nil)
(3469189731 :privmsg "schme" "wadner: You can't run dem java web apps on the phone?" nil)
(3469189739 :privmsg "Guthur" "krystof thanks" nil)
(3469189794 :privmsg "TDT" "wadner: I'd get a netbook or something to bring with you.  Those are painfully cheap now, and well worth it. Plus, programming lisp on one works pretty well (I have one)." nil)
(3469189796 :privmsg "wadner" "schme: crashes sometimes - but that's an idea! thanks - will go search for it" nil)
(3469189817 :privmsg "wadner" "TDT - cool, okay." nil)
(3469189853 :privmsg "schme" "wadner: There are some ajaxy ssh clients. maybe they work better. but ya. netbook is better.  What kind of crazyness is that to spend a whole weekend without a computer anyway :D" nil)
(3469189912 :privmsg "schme" "wadner: alternatively set up your own lisp based webserver and have it require some authentication to eval. (:" nil)
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(3469189990 :privmsg "schme" "though it all gets odd if your lisp gets stuck in an infinite loop." nil)
(3469190004 :privmsg "wadner" "schme: i actually read more without a pc around :D" nil)
(3469190020 :privmsg "wadner" "lol" nil)
(3469190024 :privmsg "schme" "reading is for smart people. :(" nil)
(3469190043 :privmsg "schme" "Ya it's quite nice to not have IRC access atleast. But netbook is the way to go :)" nil)
(3469190096 :action "p_l" "reads 95% on his computer" nil)
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(3469190320 :privmsg "nyef" "pkhuong: I've updated my git tree with what I've got so far, which actually survives to a cold repl but dies after you do anything more complicated than passing in a string." nil)
(3469190334 :privmsg "schme" "p_l: I never manage to find the books for computer reading .)" nil)
(3469190359 :privmsg "nyef" "And when it dies, it sends my CPU load to hell and I have to killall sbcl to get it back." nil)
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(3469190491 :privmsg "nyef" "I'm clearly going to have to spend some time cleaning up this patch series before it ends up anywhere near mainline." nil)
(3469190504 :privmsg "nyef" "(There's a trace file, of all things, in one of the commits.)" nil)
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(3469191493 :privmsg "pkhuong" "nyef: I'm fixing the GC. fixnum_value galore." nil)
(3469191505 :privmsg "nyef" "Ah, I was afraid of that." nil)
(3469191522 :privmsg "nyef" "I was hoping that the places where it was used were actually fixnum_value." nil)
(3469191593 :privmsg "pkhuong" "Actually, so far, only the code object allocator had to be fixed." nil)
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(3469191657 :privmsg "TDT" "I know some people here use livejournal...for blogging about lisp and all, is it fairly adequate?" nil)
(3469191685 :privmsg "nyef" "There was something else that worried me in the allocator..." nil)
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(3469191714 :privmsg "nyef" "Oh, right. The literal 31 and 32 in alloc_vector." nil)
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(3469191768 :privmsg "nyef" "And the literal constants in alloc_number for consing a bignum vs. a fixnum." nil)
(3469191849 :privmsg "pkhuong" "and scavtab." nil)
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(3469191960 :privmsg "nyef" "Oops. Must have missed that." nil)
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(3469192045 :privmsg "nyef" "At the same time, not having added the extra fixnum tags to the scavtab would cause actual lossage when it goes wrong, and I'm pulling a memory fault instead." nil)
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(3469192715 :privmsg "nyef" "...  numbers die. () dies. - dies, strings live. WTF?" nil)
(3469192716 :privmsg "schme" "TDT: I found it hard to get lisp code indented anything nice on livejournal." nil)
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(3469192931 :privmsg "dlowe" "nyef: what about #(#\\a #\\b #\\c)?" nil)
(3469192950 :privmsg "nyef" "Let me try #\\a first." nil)
(3469192984 :privmsg "dlowe" "tagging problem, maybe?" nil)
(3469193004 :privmsg "nyef" "#\\a doesn't work..." nil)
(3469193048 :privmsg "nyef" "Of course it's a tagging problem, this entire thing is about changing the width of fixnums." nil)
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(3469283884 :privmsg "tcr" "are there stuff that depend on hyperdoc?" nil)
(3469283944 :privmsg "luis" "no" nil)
(3469283954 :privmsg "luis" "not in clbuild's projects anyway" nil)
(3469283960 :privmsg "tcr" "luis: hyperdoc depends on hyperspec-lookup for the moment, I actually want to slurp clhs-lookup into hyperdoc itself" nil)
(3469283985 :privmsg "tcr" "and remove that dependency. Adding hyperdoc to clbuild means that hyperspec-lookup would have to incorporated, too" nil)
(3469283989 :privmsg "tcr" "(which I think it isn't?)" nil)
(3469284004 :privmsg "luis" "it is there already" nil)
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(3469284010 :privmsg "tcr" "ok then" nil)
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(3469284222 :privmsg "luis" "Let's see if I can do this without breaking clbuild" nil)
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(3469284362 :action "luis" "types 'clb update hyperdoc'" nil)
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(3469284839 :privmsg "luis" "meh. \"error opening #P\"/usr/share/doc/hyperspec/Data/Map_Sym.txt\" is there a good way to make hyperspec-lookup point at my copy? (other than changing the appropriate parameter in variable.lisp which I just did)" nil)
(3469284849 :privmsg "luis" "And I definitely don't have a #P\"/home/eenge/dev/net-nittin-hyperspec/Mop_Sym.txt\". Bah." nil)
(3469284885 :privmsg "luis" "any reason why it doesn't include that .txt in the source code?" nil)
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(3469285120 :privmsg "luis" "Where can I get this Mop_Sym.txt?" nil)
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(3469285160 :privmsg "Xach" "http://xach.com/tmp/Mop_Sym.txt is a copy of it" nil)
(3469285188 :privmsg "tcr" "luis: Mop_sym.txt is in the hyperspec-lookup checkout" nil)
(3469285208 :privmsg "tcr" "the default value of one of its exported variables just sucks" nil)
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(3469286408 :privmsg "luis" "(asdf:system-relative-pathname :hyperspec-lookup \"Mop_Sym.txt\") sounds like a better default. Will send a patch." nil)
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(3469549693 :privmsg "Xach" "porcelina: so you could, for example, loop until the return value is nil." nil)
(3469549694 :privmsg "Xach" "same with read-line." nil)
(3469549721 :privmsg "TDT" "porcelina: http://cl-cookbook.sourceforge.net/files.html <-- this may also help a bit to see the options available for that kinda stream." nil)
(3469549741 :privmsg "tcr" "lichtblau: http://gitorious.org/cl-yacc-ebnf/cl-yacc-ebnf/blobs/master/src/ebnf-example.lisp" nil)
(3469549763 :privmsg "porcelina" "i think it's closing the stream as soon as the sb-ext:run-program finishes is the problem." nil)
(3469549783 :privmsg "porcelina" "because i shouldn't have a new-line on the first character to begin with." nil)
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(3469549847 :privmsg "Fare" "porcelina, you may give a look at xcvb-master::run-program/get-string and its friends." nil)
(3469549849 :privmsg "tcr" "lichtblau: I haven't had time to comment on what they did, and I won't until next week. But perhaps you have comments." nil)
(3469549887 :privmsg "tcr" "lichtblau: These two guys really seem to want to do stuff, so drop your wishes :-)" nil)
(3469549906 :privmsg "TDT" "porcelina: In some code I'v edone, I've also had something like (with-open-stream (s (sb-ext:process-output (sb-ext:run-program ... :output :stream :search t))) ...)" nil)
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(3469549994 :privmsg "TDT" "porcelina: Yeah, then you can pull it into whatever var you want  through read-* then do with it as you will." nil)
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(3469550240 :privmsg "hefner" "I bet it isn't running at all, unless someone already mentioned :search t" nil)
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(3469550286 :privmsg "porcelina_" "it doesn't check the path automatically?" nil)
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(3469550395 :privmsg "porcelina_" "so does search make it check the system path?" nil)
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(3469550395 :privmsg "porcelina_" "or does it actually search for the file?" nil)
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(3469550403 :privmsg "nyef" "I bet the documentation would tell you." nil)
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(3469550456 :privmsg "nyef" "(ISTR it searches for the file in the locations mentioned in the path.)" nil)
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(3469550957 :privmsg "Adlai" "Guthur, portably? not without calling EVAL" nil)
(3469550974 :privmsg "foom" "...not that there's anything wrong with calling eval..." nil)
(3469550993 :privmsg "nyef" "Sure there's something wrong with calling eval." nil)
(3469551006 :privmsg "nyef" "It's just that sometimes it's the lesser eval... err... evil." nil)
(3469551024 :privmsg "Guthur" "but sure it couldn't hurt just this once, hehe..." nil)
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(3469551046 :privmsg "tcr" "Why would you want to do that?" nil)
(3469551046 :privmsg "hefner" "does a macro that expands to defstruct count as programmatically?" nil)
(3469551067 :privmsg "nyef" "Expand to a defstruct? I can think of a few possibilities..." nil)
(3469551083 :privmsg "tcr" "Well I read he wants to define one at runtime" nil)
(3469551103 :privmsg "nyef" "Well, why would you want to define a class at runtime?" nil)
(3469551107 :privmsg "Guthur" "hefner i was thinking of macro initially but then i thought it wouldn't work, how can i destruct the arguments to use as struct slots" nil)
(3469551129 :privmsg "Guthur" "sorry i doesn't have to be runtime" nil)
(3469551129 :privmsg "hefner" "don't know, it's never come up." nil)
(3469551138 :privmsg "nyef" "Guthur: In a macro? How do you think defstruct itself works?" nil)
(3469551139 :privmsg "Guthur" "i/it" nil)
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(3469551170 :privmsg "tcr" "nyef: How often did you need to _define_ a class at runtime?" nil)
(3469551179 :privmsg "TDT`" "is eval-when discouraged from being used for the most part?" nil)
(3469551191 :privmsg "Adlai" "TDT`, are you on SBCL? M-. defmethod" nil)
(3469551196 :privmsg "Adlai" "eval-when is everywhere" nil)
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(3469551254 :privmsg "nyef" "tcr: Not being a heavy user of CLOS... I haven't, yet. That said, my current interpretation of the CLIM specification suggests that sheet instances have their classes changed at runtime to accommodate different mixins." nil)
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(3469551294 :privmsg "TDT`" "Adlai: Yeah, I'm on sbcl.  I wasn't sure if it was a discouraged practice in using it heavily.  I use it to load libraries I need before defpackage." nil)
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(3469551371 :privmsg "Guthur" "nyef so would it be possible to pass an arbitrary length list of slot names and types to a macro and create the struct without eval" nil)
(3469551388 :privmsg "Adlai" "Guthur, no. You can't create a struct at runtime without eval." nil)
(3469551407 :privmsg "Adlai" "if you want a macro that expands to defstruct, that's a different thing." nil)
(3469551420 :privmsg "nyef" "At the same time, toplevel defstruct occurs at load and compile-time, and progn preserves toplevelness." nil)
(3469551421 :privmsg "Guthur" "ya it doesn't have to be runtime" nil)
(3469551433 :privmsg "Guthur" "indeed most definitely not runtime" nil)
(3469551435 :privmsg "nyef" "So, it would work." nil)
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(3469551491 :privmsg "nyef" "Structure your macro lambda list to involve an &rest slots-and-options or something, then you can loop over that with destructuring-bind if you need something more involved." nil)
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(3469551499 :privmsg "Guthur" "ok i'll do a few wee tests to see if i can figure it out" nil)
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(3469551609 :privmsg "Guthur" "nyef, ok thanks" nil)
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(3469552245 :privmsg "Adlai" "tcr, I can bisect, the question is what needs bisecting (I don't know SBCL internals well)" nil)
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(3469552272 :privmsg "tcr" "I have a pprin issue iwhich works in 1.0.11 but doesn't in 1.0.33.2" nil)
(3469552275 :privmsg "tcr" "pprint" nil)
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(3469552340 :privmsg "Adlai" "is there a simple test case? sounds like it may be possible to script the bisection." nil)
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(3469552387 :privmsg "tcr" "Yes, there is, wait a moment" nil)
(3469552491 :privmsg "_deepfire" "man git-bisect has really simple examples, btw" nil)
(3469552492 :privmsg "nyef" "If it's in pprint.lisp, there are only 8 revisions." nil)
(3469552527 :privmsg "nyef" "It might be possible to work it out just from the logs and the problem description." nil)
(3469552591 :privmsg "nyef" "This \"problem\" doesn't involve with-standard-io-syntax, does it?" nil)
(3469552601 :privmsg "froydnj" "or just LOAD" nil)
(3469552637 :privmsg "tcr" "The revision were probably all due to me :-) Perhaps I should weep the issue under the carpet" nil)
(3469552674 :privmsg "Adlai" "interesting mixed metaphor" nil)
(3469552676 :privmsg "nyef" "froydnj: LOAD? Really?" nil)
(3469552701 :privmsg "nyef" "Adlai: \"Caution: Wet floor\"?" nil)
(3469552701 :privmsg "lisppaste" "tcr pasted \"test case for adlai\" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/91962" nil)
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(3469833679 :privmsg "Guest8915" "kpreid: Is it conservative?" nil)
(3469833683 :privmsg "Guest8915" "Gah" nil)
(3469833685 :privmsg "kpreid" "no, it's optimistic" nil)
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(3469833697 :privmsg "sellout" "Ah, well that's no good." nil)
(3469833717 :privmsg "kpreid" "Xach may I suggest comparing (new Date().valueOf()) against a timestamp produced by the server? or, less accurately, a timestamp saved at page load?" nil)
(3469833759 :privmsg "kpreid" "As it is, if the browser isn't executing JS promptly the timer lags behind, and doesn't catch up." nil)
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(3469833864 :privmsg "kpreid" "ah." nil)
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(3469833912 :privmsg "kpreid" "Anyway, as a professional in the field of funny images, please tell me whether this qualifies: http://attach.roflbot.wigflip.com/8/l/OoVmhFWyc6inilhG/roflbot-t5Hg.jpg" nil)
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(3469969674 :privmsg "rahul" "Harag: the amount of storage taken is a very complex discussion" nil)
(3469969688 :privmsg "rahul" "Harag: in fact, it's equally complicated in C, but everyone ignores that fact" nil)
(3469969723 :privmsg "rahul" "ok, not equally complicated, but the same surprise costs are there" nil)
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(3469969730 :privmsg "froydnj" "but, but, sizeof makes everything so simple!" nil)
(3469969731 :privmsg "tcr" "Hm for example?" nil)
(3469969752 :privmsg "rahul" "tcr: wasted space due to heap fragmentation and heap tracking storage" nil)
(3469969768 :privmsg "rahul" "and alignment" nil)
(3469969794 :privmsg "tcr" "What is sizeof specified to return?" nil)
(3469969795 :privmsg "rahul" "malloc(1) takes a lot more than 1 byte of storage" nil)
(3469969814 :privmsg "rahul" "tcr: something unrelated to the amount of space used by the C library to store your data" nil)
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(3469969823 :privmsg "tcr" "malloc() is not the storage size of a variable, rahul" nil)
(3469969825 :privmsg "rahul" "it's the size of usable storage needed" nil)
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(3469969857 :privmsg "rahul" "tcr: you pass it the amount of storage you want" nil)
(3469969876 :privmsg "rahul" "it uses a bit more than that, for various reasons" nil)
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(3469969888 :privmsg "tcr" "so sizeof does not cater for alignment?" nil)
(3469969889 :privmsg "rahul" "malloc(1) is more likely to allocate 8 bytes than 1." nil)
(3469969894 :privmsg "rahul" "tcr: it better not" nil)
(3469969907 :privmsg "Harag" "lol I will take it as a no and do some hand calcs for what I need.." nil)
(3469969913 :privmsg "Harag" "thanx" nil)
(3469969926 :privmsg "rahul" "in fact, I would expect malloc(1) to allocate something more like 16 bytes at times" nil)
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(3469969971 :privmsg "rahul" "Harag: what kind of object are you dealing with?" nil)
(3469969973 :privmsg "tcr" "Harag: You request was somewhat bogus, variables in most cases only contain pointers. You're probably looking for something which returns the size of an object. It's often asked for. There's an open bug tracker ticket for SBCL about it." nil)
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(3469970003 :privmsg "reb" "Harag: If you can be more specific, people here may be able to assist.  Asking for the size of a \"variable\" doesn't give us enough info." nil)
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(3469970050 :privmsg "rahul" "Harag: a structure with 3 slots probably takes 32 bytes" nil)
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(3469970120 :privmsg "rahul" "tcr: the alignmnent can happen outside of the type being sizeof'd" nil)
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(3469970226 :privmsg "reb" "... or it may be." nil)
(3469970241 :privmsg "rahul" "Harag: a simple-vector with 3 elements probably takes 32, and a specialized vector of 2 unsigned-byte 64 also probably takes 32 bytes" nil)
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(3470031591 :privmsg "nicklevine" "you don't need full CLOS to allow defmethod dispatch (particularly if you restrict the method-combination to something dumbed down). IIRC from times long past, the Liquid CL build loaded something called \"not-really-clos\" which did just this and allowed (eg) describe-object to work even if you hadn't gone (require \"clos\") yet." nil)
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(3470031727 :privmsg "nicklevine" "of course, it might not run very fast. but it gets you over some bootstrap hurdles..." nil)
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(3470037311 :privmsg "nikodemus" "hoy! thanks again for an excellent workshop" nil)
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(3470037599 :privmsg "fe[nl]ix" "nikodemus: thanks, I pushed a fix" nil)
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(3470038376 :privmsg "nikodemus" "i'm trying to get hemlock.tty to run. it uses osicat-posix::winsize as a CFFI type, which doesn't exist. do you have a patched version of osicat?" nil)
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(3470038423 :privmsg "Adlai" "nicklevine, I read the latest chapters. Things look good overall, although I think you should at least mention SB-SPROF as a high-quality and free profiler." nil)
(3470038468 :privmsg "nicklevine" "that's sbcl specific, no?" nil)
(3470038475 :privmsg "nikodemus" "very much so" nil)
(3470038478 :privmsg "Adlai" "yes" nil)
(3470038504 :privmsg "Adlai" "also, CCL has an advice-based deterministic profiler in #P\"ccl:contrib;tools;advice-profiler\"" nil)
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(3470038528 :privmsg "nicklevine" "yeah, which doesn't run on all platforms?" nil)
(3470038572 :privmsg "nikodemus" "(i haven't read the chapter in question, but...) I would suggest that in profiling chapter you make STRONG recommendation to use implementation specific tools" nil)
(3470038574 :privmsg "Adlai" "it runs on Linux and Darwin, at least" nil)
(3470038594 :privmsg "huangjs" "A little bit OT (But no one replied to me in #linux and #networking). Hi, I'm wondering if I can do this: create a UDP socket, fork several child processes, all of them do select() on the socketFD, to achieve a sort of load-balancing. Is that feasible?" nil)
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(3470038607 :privmsg "nikodemus" "eg. SB-PROFILE and SB-SPROF should both be thread-safe, which METERING most certainly is not" nil)
(3470038634 :privmsg "nicklevine" "I do make that recommendation. Them, for the purposes of exposition, I ignore it :)" nil)
(3470038642 :privmsg "nikodemus" "ok :)" nil)
(3470038673 :privmsg "nikodemus" "lichtblau: similarly for OSICAT-POSIX::TERMIOS" nil)
(3470038704 :privmsg "nicklevine" "(annotates his hard copy, goes back to hacking out redundant classes)" nil)
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(3470038806 :privmsg "fe[nl]ix" "huangjs: afaik select will wake up all listeners, not just one" nil)
(3470038824 :privmsg "huangjs" "fe[nl]ix: all, right." nil)
(3470038838 :privmsg "Zhivago" "The key to select is that it is level, not edge triggered." nil)
(3470038845 :privmsg "huangjs" "fe[nl]ix: thanks. I was confused" nil)
(3470038908 :privmsg "huangjs" "Zhivago: if it's level triggered, does that mean only the waiting processes will be awaken?" nil)
(3470038931 :privmsg "lichtblau" "nikodemus: right -- unfortunately I haven't sorted out my osicat and iolib changes.  The plan is to move all osicat stuff into iolib in the first place, and then submit those patches to fe[nl]ix." nil)
(3470038934 :privmsg "Zhivago" "No. It means that anything waiting for that level to be reached at that point will notice." nil)
(3470038944 :privmsg "huangjs" "Zhivago: I see." nil)
(3470038956 :privmsg "lichtblau" "Would it help you if I just tarred up my osicat and iolib repos for now?" nil)
(3470038975 :privmsg "nikodemus" "lichtblau: sure -- then i can play with hemlock.tty :)" nil)
(3470039007 :privmsg "nikodemus" "(i'm sort of shopping for a new spare-time project run by someone other than me...)" nil)
(3470039013 :privmsg "Adlai" "nicklevine, I just tried running CCL's advice-profiler on a Windows XP (SP 3) running in virtualbox, and it didn't work. I guess it's only Mac and Linux, then." nil)
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(3470039094 :privmsg "nicklevine" "adlai: I can't remember the details right now (there's something in the ccl doc): I think they support one profiler on mac and another on linux. I wanted to be a bit more general, in particuclar because this landed up in a freebsd chapter..." nil)
(3470039108 :privmsg "huangjs" "fe[nl]ix: Zhivago: If one process obtained a packet (e.g. by recv), what will happen to others? I suppose it will return an error. So if the data processing takes quite some amount of time, then it will eventually get balanced to each processes, right? I hope the overhead of error path isn't too large." nil)
(3470039130 :privmsg "nicklevine" "anyway, the recommendation (more than once, I hope) to use implementation-specific if at all possible silil stands" nil)
(3470039139 :privmsg "huangjs" "assume all processes will do the samething (recv a packet)" nil)
(3470039185 :privmsg "huangjs" "I meant (recv a packet and do some processing)" nil)
(3470039195 :privmsg "lichtblau" "nikodemus: http://lichteblau.com/tmp/git.tar.bz2" nil)
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(3470039358 :privmsg "nikodemus" "thanks! (apropos: needed to add www. in front -- lichteblau.com doesn't resolve for me)" nil)
(3470039515 :privmsg "lichtblau" "nikodemus: I've also pushed some commits to Hemlock right now, so you'd probably have to pull again." nil)
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(3470039535 :privmsg "lichtblau" "easiest build procedure is probably ./build.tty" nil)
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(3470039621 :privmsg "Adlai" "Harag, are you still confused about the defclass options?" nil)
(3470039630 :privmsg "lichtblau" "(The alternative is, of course, to load manually, but then M-x Start Slave Process would try to run the slave using a clbuild command that I haven't pushed yet.)" nil)
(3470039763 :privmsg "Xof" "nicklevine: thinking on the way in, the idea about doing character->character CR-LF handling doesn't work after all :-/" nil)
(3470039779 :privmsg "Xof" "or at least not conveniently, because we don't have a hook at the right place to do that for READ-SEQUENCE" nil)
(3470039801 :privmsg "Xof" "it would probably work if we weren't cursed with this horrible crock of a streams implementation" nil)
(3470039812 :privmsg "nicklevine" "remind me:  does that leave you?" nil)
(3470039820 :privmsg "nicklevine" "Where does..." nil)
(3470039842 :privmsg "Xof" "\"too hard, someone else's problem\"" nil)
(3470039849 :privmsg "nicklevine" "btw xof: how did day 2 go?" nil)
(3470039867 :privmsg "Xof" "well, I think.  lichtblau dazzled us all with a rapid succession of lightning talks" nil)
(3470039887 :privmsg "Xof" "the hungarians demoed some neat stuff (a partial evaluator, a persistence metaclass)" nil)
(3470039890 :privmsg "Xof" "the food was better" nil)
(3470039924 :privmsg "nicklevine" "my loss" nil)
(3470040096 :privmsg "pkhuong" "nikodemus: SSE and allocator fixes are up on repo. Not sure if I want to introduce misalignment for small vectors too; it would cost up to 48 byte/vector." nil)
(3470040136 :privmsg "Xof" "nikodemus: was it you who recorded the talks?" nil)
(3470040140 :privmsg "nikodemus" "small vectors are aligned pretty randomly anyways, aren't they? (in relation to page-start)" nil)
(3470040151 :privmsg "nikodemus" "yes, i'll put up the files in a moment" nil)
(3470040223 :privmsg "pkhuong" "nikodemus: right. their data vector could be consistently aligned to cache lines, but meh." nil)
(3470040294 :privmsg "Xof" "does anyone have experience with working with git in the model that we discussed on Tuesday afternoon?" nil)
(3470040301 :privmsg "Adlai" "Xof, what's the model?" nil)
(3470040336 :privmsg "Xof" "public tree, multiple visible topic branches, master is fast-forward-only, other stuff that I don't have experience of" nil)
(3470040352 :privmsg "Xof" "trying to optimize discovery of what's going on" nil)
(3470040401 :privmsg "Adlai" "it's pretty easy to configure git repos with different settings on each branch" nil)
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(3470040417 :privmsg "Adlai" "one of the most basic configurable settings is whether to always reject non-fast-forward" nil)
(3470040470 :privmsg "Adlai" "devs can rebase unpushed work or topic branches onto master" nil)
(3470040492 :privmsg "Adlai" "(or merge them, but a rebase is better if everybody is on the same page)" nil)
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(3470040585 :privmsg "Xof" "the followup is whether someone with experience can write up a set of simple \"best practice\" instructions for those without" nil)
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(3470040756 :privmsg "nikodemus" "naming convention for topic branches (eg wip-<topic>)" nil)
(3470040778 :privmsg "lichtblau" "When working with multiple vaguely related branches, I'm a huge fan of git-new-workdir, which I think has the advantages of the darcs-like \"one repo per branch\" workflow without the associated inconvenience." nil)
(3470040937 :privmsg "luis`" "Ah, yes. I want something like that!" nil)
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(3470041444 :privmsg "Harag" "Adlai: thanx I understand now, dont know if you saw my previous reply because my irc client crashed as I sent it...empathy...piece of crap" nil)
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(3470041615 :privmsg "Adlai" "Xof, http://sitaramc.github.com/ has some good guides, as does the manpage for gitworkflows(7)." nil)
(3470041653 :privmsg "Adlai" "the git-rebase(1) manpage has a few diagrams of how to use rebase to manipulate topic branches, too." nil)
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(3470041798 :privmsg "Adlai" "Harag, you're welcome. I didn't see a previous reply." nil)
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(3470041937 :privmsg "Xof" "ok, but that's not useful" nil)
(3470041956 :privmsg "Xof" "all of that stuff is in the plural, and the point about people with no experience is that if they're given a choice of ways to work some will get it wrong" nil)
(3470041987 :privmsg "Xof" "(sorry, it is of course more useful that no information at all)" nil)
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(3470042178 :privmsg "Adlai" "Xof, how many SBCL devs typically collaborate on a topic branch?" nil)
(3470042254 :privmsg "Xof" "well, at the moment, 1" nil)
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(3470042265 :privmsg "Xof" "but that's what we decided it would be nice to change" nil)
(3470042329 :privmsg "Xof" "well, I decided that" nil)
(3470042370 :privmsg "Xof" "mostly because I was bored of working all on my own, and I need minions to finish off my hacks for me" nil)
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(3470043359 :privmsg "nikodemus" "whee! 11% faster (defmethod get-it ((instance foo)) (slot-value instance 'x))" nil)
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(3470043433 :privmsg "nikodemus" "yes" nil)
(3470043456 :privmsg "nikodemus" "i suspect this affects most methods, not just ones like that" nil)
(3470043465 :privmsg "nikodemus" "(most fast methods)" nil)
(3470043495 :privmsg "nicklevine" "how?" nil)
(3470043534 :privmsg "nikodemus" "letting the compiler trust types of arguments to fast methods" nil)
(3470043548 :privmsg "Xof" "nikodemus: your commit log message was amusingly wrong" nil)
(3470043556 :privmsg "Xof" "\"1.0.33.11\"" nil)
(3470043558 :privmsg "Xof" "get with the times!" nil)
(3470043559 :privmsg "nikodemus" "oops" nil)
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(3470043578 :privmsg "Xof" "I have to get these cracks in before we switch to automated version numbering" nil)
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(3470043820 :privmsg "nikodemus" "lisppaste seems to lag: http://paste.lisp.org/display/92253" nil)
(3470043991 :privmsg "Xof" "huh" nil)
(3470044026 :privmsg "Xof" "nikodemus: um, your latest sbcl-commit message is even more wrong" nil)
(3470044036 :privmsg "Xof" "maybe that's what you thought I was referring to" nil)
(3470044052 :privmsg "nikodemus" "oh crap" nil)
(3470044066 :privmsg "Adlai" "Xof, I've got half a \"best practice\" guide together, but I have to go for a bit. I'll finish it in about an hour." nil)
(3470044173 :privmsg "Xof" "cool" nil)
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(3470049484 :privmsg "nicklevine" "wonders why a google search in the group for \"Christophe Rhodes\" doesn't find it. Call themselves a search engine?" nil)
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(3470049524 :privmsg "nicklevine" "bring back deja news" nil)
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(3470050320 :privmsg "TDT" "Kinda asking the same thing I did yesterday, heh.  In CL-SQL, I'm trying to query records from one database, and inserting them to another.  I've used update-records-from-instance, which..well updates.  Is there a better option" nil)
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(3470050453 :privmsg "rsynnott" "if you have a message ID you're usually okay, otherwise your chances of finding a post are slim" nil)
(3470050461 :privmsg "TDT" "Xach: yeah, I was hoping to not have to do that if possible." nil)
(3470050500 :privmsg "nicklevine" "yeah, as I keep finding out" nil)
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(3470050586 :privmsg "froydnj" "nikodemus: wow, that's way better" nil)
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(3470050882 :privmsg "nikodemus" "that patch breaks a lot of tests :)" nil)
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(3470051542 :privmsg "nikodemus" "looks very much so" nil)
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(3470051863 :privmsg "dl" "Is anyone \"driving\" gnuplot from Lisp?  Is anyone using clnuplot?" nil)
(3470051945 :privmsg "Xach" "dl: I've done a very small amount of it." nil)
(3470051963 :privmsg "Xach" "dl: mostly by writing out script files from CL and then loading them batchfully in gnuplot." nil)
(3470051990 :privmsg "froydnj" "also the test before L1 should be improved =/" nil)
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(3470052030 :privmsg "Xach" "dl: no, i am having CL do it." nil)
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(3470052188 :privmsg "nikodemus" "froydnj: i also can't seem to figure out where the OBJECT-NOT-FUN-ERROR comes from" nil)
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(3470052437 :privmsg "froydnj" "I was hoping for whatever gets installed as the method-function, actually... :)  pcl is a twisty maze to me" nil)
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(3470052931 :privmsg "j0be" ".. numbers are 0 1 2 3 12 14 14.5 15.5 etc" nil)
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(3470053004 :privmsg "j0be" "Xach stassats` : ah ok. there is another 'eql' named = then... let me see." nil)
(3470053023 :privmsg "stassats`" "it's not 'eql'" nil)
(3470053047 :privmsg "Xof" "don't forget the method function's method fast function" nil)
(3470053066 :privmsg "j0be" "stassats`: its when the difference between the numbers is zerop" nil)
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(3470053077 :privmsg "Xach" "hefner: your ship wireframe/blueprint views look really cool." nil)
(3470053102 :privmsg "Xach" "j0be: see http://l1sp.org/cl/= for details" nil)
(3470053104 :privmsg "stassats`" "j0be: (eql nil 0) works, while = not" nil)
(3470053109 :privmsg "stassats`" "eq*s are general, =, string=, char=, etc. are not" nil)
(3470053175 :privmsg "hefner" "Xach: thanks. I threw those together in inkscape. I'm not sure if they're placeholder art or not." nil)
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(3470053514 :privmsg "Xach" "reminded me a little of http://traipse.com/space_ship/index.html" nil)
(3470053586 :privmsg "hefner" "oh, excellent. I've been wasting time all over the internet looking for scifi blueprintish things. I need to do much higher resolution versions for choosing what equipment to put on the ships." nil)
(3470053594 :privmsg "nicklevine" "xach: the link to l1sp.org doesn't work (for me, at least) - takes me to front page of hyperspec" nil)
(3470053647 :privmsg "Xach" "nicklevine: What link are you visiting? Does your client make it clicky for you and omit the trailing =?" nil)
(3470053751 :privmsg "nicklevine" "xach: ah, clickable  link is http://l1sp.org/cl/ (chatzilla)" nil)
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(3470054159 :privmsg "Xach" "the url scheme doesn't work so well with things like / or /= and sharpsign is a problem too" nil)
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(3470054471 :privmsg "Xach" "adeht: it was really easy to run :)" nil)
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(3470054605 :privmsg "gigamonkey" "Xach: herep" nil)
(3470054625 :privmsg "Xach" "hi gigamonkey" nil)
(3470054638 :privmsg "gigamonkey" "So that Lisp job JP posted is on a project I've been working on." nil)
(3470054658 :privmsg "gigamonkey" "The same one I tweeted about the other day." nil)
(3470054699 :privmsg "Xach" "i see" nil)
(3470054763 :privmsg "gigamonkey" "So if anyone has questions about it, they can ask me." nil)
(3470054790 :privmsg "gigamonkey" "I was going to suggest you could add a note to that effect to your blog post. Or I could just blog it myself." nil)
(3470054816 :privmsg "Xach" "the latter is a great idea!" nil)
(3470054846 :privmsg "gigamonkey" "Yeah. I'll try to do it sometime today." nil)
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(3470054935 :privmsg "gigamonkey" "Though they're really looking, for a Javascript hacker more than a Lisp hacker. The lisp experience is useful because the server side of the system is in CL." nil)
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(3470059139 :privmsg "nikodemus" "Xof: another use case for subclassable structures: removing one of the KLUDGEs in parameter-specializer-declaration-in-defmethod" nil)
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(3470059236 :privmsg "Xof" "I'm not sure about that" nil)
(3470059262 :privmsg "Xof" "I don't really understand what slot-object is doing anywhere anyway" nil)
(3470059271 :privmsg "Xof" "assuming that's the one you're talking about" nil)
(3470059318 :privmsg "Xof" "I think the cleaner solution is to remove slot-object; I think I tried doing that once and got an incomprehensible bootstrap error" nil)
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(3470059690 :privmsg "froydnj" "nikodemus: it's not obvious to me where the double-check for instance-ness is coming from, either." nil)
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(3470059998 :privmsg "nikodemus" "hm" nil)
(3470060001 :privmsg "nikodemus" "you couldn't figure the object-not-fun either, i take it?" nil)
(3470060017 :privmsg "nikodemus" "on good news, i think this tree is starting to look right" nil)
(3470060059 :privmsg "nikodemus" "Xof: yes, that's the one i'm talking about" nil)
(3470060102 :privmsg "nikodemus" "i *think* slot-object's job is to provide a common base-class for all things that support slot-value &co" nil)
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(3470462099 :privmsg "minion" "OK, I threw it out." nil)
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(3470462144 :privmsg "Krystof" "minion: are you a bot?" nil)
(3470462145 :privmsg "minion" "i'm not a bot. i prefer the term ``electronically composed''." nil)
(3470462189 :privmsg "Krystof" "froydnj: that is, there are some cases that are no longer applicable, but the cleverness is still clever, and might become applicable one day later if it's sufficiently generally written" nil)
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(3470462195 :privmsg "minion" "watch out, you'll make krystof angry" nil)
(3470462196 :privmsg "Adamant" "minion: who put the bot in the bot she bomp" nil)
(3470462197 :privmsg "minion" "Would you /please/ stop playing with me? 3 messages in 53 seconds is too many." nil)
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(3470462215 :privmsg "Krystof" "with attitude" nil)
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(3470465752 :privmsg "jbjohns" "Younder: fantastic!  Thanks!  I had no idea the global settings wouldn't work" nil)
(3470465777 :privmsg "jbjohns" "I was getting that impression but I didn't want to put those declarations everywhere" nil)
(3470465795 :privmsg "jbjohns" "now it seems to work perfectly" nil)
(3470465824 :privmsg "nikodemus" "you can also do (sb-ext:restrict-compiler-policy 'debug 3) and recompile everything" nil)
(3470465837 :privmsg "jbjohns" "ah ok" nil)
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(3470465872 :privmsg "jbjohns" "it's in my package.lisp file which is set up in asd so that all files depend on it" nil)
(3470465906 :privmsg "jbjohns" "that's great.  I was in the middle of trying out cusp, but I'd prefer to stay in emacs" nil)
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(3470465955 :privmsg "jdz" "hmm, the wording in the spec is tricky" nil)
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(3470479903 :privmsg "froydnj" "because we're...bad?" nil)
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(3470479981 :privmsg "nyef" "It actually calls the MSVCRT version of stat(), which isn't doing what we need for network shares." nil)
(3470480008 :privmsg "froydnj" "oh, do the _stat* family only work on local drives?" nil)
(3470480027 :privmsg "nyef" "They're fine for -mapped- drives." nil)
(3470480042 :privmsg "nyef" "But they don't deal with UNC filespecs very well." nil)
(3470480063 :privmsg "froydnj" "ah" nil)
(3470480067 :privmsg "nyef" "Or, again, they're not doing what we need with UNC filespecs." nil)
(3470480108 :privmsg "froydnj" "I just fixed an issue with ARCHIVE + win32 + stat" nil)
(3470480123 :privmsg "froydnj" "so I'm interested in hearing that I did it totally wrong" nil)
(3470480143 :privmsg "nyef" "I'm testing on 1.0.32.28... I think." nil)
(3470480155 :privmsg "nyef" "Might be 1.0.32.28 + a local fix." nil)
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(3470481119 :privmsg "_deepfire" "Grrr.  I _want_ a version of CLOS where \"local precedence loops\", or whatever these are called, are impossible." nil)
(3470481143 :privmsg "fe[nl]ix" "how can I find out if there are undefined alien functions in my SBCL image ?" nil)
(3470481178 :privmsg "_deepfire" "I realise that this means non-automatically-computable precedence lists." nil)
(3470481208 :privmsg "_deepfire" "The heck with that -- I would specify the specificity in tiers, manually." nil)
(3470481240 :privmsg "_deepfire" "Arguably the status quo prevents creative use of mixinry." nil)
(3470481348 :privmsg "_deepfire" "Because at some point you explode trying to keep the fine-grained precedence nuancery compileable." nil)
(3470481369 :privmsg "_deepfire" "And most of the time you don't actually care about nuancery." nil)
(3470481399 :privmsg "_deepfire" "You have some tiers of classes, and you care about precedence relationships between these tiers." nil)
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(3470481603 :privmsg "_deepfire" "Maybe I'm simplifying the reasons why I have the problem in the first place.." nil)
(3470481642 :quit "Raptelan_" "\"leaving\"" "n=Raptelan@209.40.204.178")
(3470481668 :privmsg "_deepfire" "The point about the programmer having to invest superlinearly growing amounts of time into preventing local precedence conflicts remains, though." nil)
(3470481750 :action "froydnj" "wonders if C3 would solve _deepfire's problems" nil)
(3470481842 :privmsg "_deepfire" "froydnj, perl stuff?" nil)
(3470481882 :privmsg "_deepfire" "\"C3 works by always preserving local precendence ordering\", sounds like precisely the burden I want to relieve myself from.." nil)
(3470481917 :privmsg "froydnj" "_deepfire: no, the precedence algorithm for dylan" nil)
(3470481988 :privmsg "_deepfire" "froydnj, I asked because it appears like there is a perl implementation" nil)
(3470482005 :privmsg "froydnj" "_deepfire: not too surprising" nil)
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(3470482100 :action "_deepfire" "discovers http://www.cliki.net/C3%20superclass%20linearization%20MRO" nil)
(3470482135 :privmsg "malsyned" "Does anybody know what the criteria is for SBCL to stop being \"experimental\" on w32?" nil)
(3470482162 :quit "drewc" "Remote closed the connection" "n=drewc@89.16.166.162")
(3470482185 :privmsg "jtza8_" "I suppose threads?" nil)
(3470482226 :privmsg "nyef" "malsyned: The primary criteria as far as I'm concerned are external format line endings, relocatable cores, C-c handling at the console or through SLIME, and a dedicated windows person with commit access." nil)
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(3470482354 :nick "madsy" "Madsy" "n=madsy@78-26-25-57.network.trollfjord.no")
(3470482360 :action "jtza8_" "wonders were one would find the latter." nil)
(3470482381 :privmsg "malsyned" "nyef: then shouldn't bug 310185 have a higher importance?" nil)
(3470482441 :privmsg "nyef" "No, for reasons going back to the \"dedicated windows person with commit access\"." nil)
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(3470482581 :privmsg "nyef" "We have a few people who work on various bits of windows support, but nobody truly being the windows advocate." nil)
(3470482613 :privmsg "malsyned" "nyef: is that need publicized anywhere?  A quick google search doesn't turn up any sort of appeal for help" nil)
(3470482733 :privmsg "nyef" "It typically gets mentioned when someone asks here, but I'm not sure there's anything explicit on the web." nil)
(3470482748 :privmsg "nyef" "(Please don't take that out of context.)" nil)
(3470482768 :privmsg "malsyned" "hah" nil)
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(3470482891 :privmsg "malsyned" "Would it be helpful if I posted about the need for a maintainer on reddit or someplace like that?  or would that just flood the project with offers from random weirdos?" nil)
(3470482901 :quit "Modius" "Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)" "n=Modius@cpe-70-123-130-159.austin.res.rr.com")
(3470482916 :privmsg "nyef" "We'd probably get random weirdos." nil)
(3470482922 :privmsg "nikodemus" "exactly" nil)
(3470482934 :privmsg "nikodemus" "and drama queens" nil)
(3470482974 :privmsg "malsyned" "OK, I'll refrain then." nil)
(3470482989 :privmsg "nikodemus" "passing the word quietly to smart people who might be interested is much preferable" nil)
(3470483088 :privmsg "Guthur" "the thing is if they are windows users they probably aren't using SBCL" nil)
(3470483098 :privmsg "Guthur" "let bit of a catch 22 going on me thinks" nil)
(3470483119 :privmsg "nyef" "Yes, but it's not as bad of a catch-22 as it was before the port was even started." nil)
(3470483142 :privmsg "malsyned" "I can't find the relocatable core problem or the C-c problem in the bug database either.  Also because of no maintainer?" nil)
(3470483148 :privmsg "nikodemus" "and there are surprisingly enough people happily and quietly using the windows port within its limitations" nil)
(3470483173 :privmsg "nikodemus" "not to excuse those limitations, but they aren't show-stoppers for all applications" nil)
(3470483187 :privmsg "nyef" "malsyned: relocatable cores is a known problem across the board, actually, it's not windows-specific. There's also some proof-of-concept code for making it happen, it just hasn't been cleaned up for mainline yet." nil)
(3470483202 :privmsg "froydnj" "antifuchs: that's what I get for du'ing in a sbcl.git with build fasls in it =/" nil)
(3470483203 :privmsg "nyef" "Mmm... I occasionally use the windows port myself." nil)
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(3470483387 :quit "ikki" "Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)" "n=ikki@200.95.162.52")
(3470483442 :privmsg "nyef" "Of the six bugs tagged os-windows, one had a proof-of-concept fix posted (by me) long before anyone else even noticed the problem, one is fixable in two ways and I don't know how to fix it the possibly-less-invasive of the two, one has to do with the installer which I really don't care about, one is newline policies which I wasn't about to look at until Xof's external-format stuff landed (is that all merged now?), and two have had" nil)
(3470483442 :privmsg "nyef" " initial diagnosis done over the past couple days." nil)
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(3470483536 :privmsg "pkhuong" "minion: memo for froydnj: I think so. That's a weird code sequence though. Was that SUB an AND? (:" nil)
(3470483537 :privmsg "minion" "Remembered. I'll tell froydnj when he/she/it next speaks." nil)
(3470483537 :privmsg "minion" "pkhuong, memo from froydnj: IIUC, intel's documentation on partial register stalls means that if you do a 'sub al, X / cmp al, Y', you do not incur a partial register stall..is that your reading as well?" nil)
(3470483553 :privmsg "nyef" "Core relocation \"just\" needs someone to sit down, disentangle the patches, and rebase to HEAD for testing and committage." nil)
(3470483583 :privmsg "froydnj" "pkhuong: great, thanks.  nope, the code sequence is right.  it's for widetag testing." nil)
(3470483584 :privmsg "minion" "froydnj, memo from pkhuong: I think so. That's a weird code sequence though. Was that SUB an AND? (:" nil)
(3470483587 :privmsg "malsyned" "nyef: so it sounds like the only really hard part of Windows really is finding a maintainer." nil)
(3470483649 :privmsg "nyef" "And the C-c situation is at least improved now (it acts as EOF instead of just killing the process outright), but truly fixing it requires some rather intricate/invasive work." nil)
(3470483760 :privmsg "pkhuong" "froydnj: what are your feelings on yanking out all uses of high byte registers?" nil)
(3470483797 :privmsg "pkhuong" "Does anyone really have a need for more character registers on #!-sb-unicode builds?" nil)
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(3470483853 :privmsg "_deepfire" "nyef, sorry, what does it mean that it acts as EOF?" nil)
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(3470483863 :privmsg "froydnj" "pkhuong: I like the idea in principle.  why?" nil)
(3470483892 :privmsg "nyef" "_deepfire: You have a current windows SBCL right now? Open it up in a console window and hit C-c. Then open it up again, (break), and hit C-c." nil)
(3470483945 :privmsg "lichtblau" "nyef: I've done the disentangling and rebase at SBCL10, but failed at the testing step." nil)
(3470483946 :privmsg "pkhuong" "It makes regalloc more complicated (in general, across pretty much all algorithms). Also, we had to disable CMOVcc conversion for characters on non-unicode builds." nil)
(3470483955 :privmsg "nyef" "The debugger treats EOF as \"leave the debugger\", C-c and the method we use to read from the console interact in such a way as to appear as an EOF." nil)
(3470483957 :privmsg "nyef" "lichtblau: Oh, cool." nil)
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(3470483975 :privmsg "lichtblau" "It compiles, it starts (and it relocates), but somewhere in test.sh it failed.  Something threading-related." nil)
(3470483976 :privmsg "nyef" "Is the rebased tree available in git somewhere?" nil)
(3470483985 :privmsg "Fury_" "Hello" nil)
(3470483985 :privmsg "nyef" "Does it work single-threaded?" nil)
(3470484004 :privmsg "nyef" "(At least it shouldn't have a problem with relocating a cold-core anymore.)" nil)
(3470484104 :privmsg "Fury_" "How can i create a variable, that is static in a funktion? For example a Variable that is incremented every time the funktion is called. This variable should not be global." nil)
(3470484136 :action "lichtblau" "pushes" nil)
(3470484137 :privmsg "malsyned" "Fury_: wrap the defun in a let form declaring the variable." nil)
(3470484144 :privmsg "lichtblau" "http://repo.or.cz/w/sbcl/lichteblau.git/shortlog/refs/heads/just-relocation-forward-port" nil)
(3470484161 :privmsg "pkhuong" "Fury_: you can make the function close around the variable, use a global (what's wrong with a global?) or use load-time-value and some mutable box." nil)
(3470484166 :privmsg "nyef" "Fury_: (let ((x 0)) (defun foo (y) (incf x y))) ?" nil)
(3470484171 :privmsg "lichtblau" "nyef: didn't try single-threaded.  I ran out of time." nil)
(3470484189 :privmsg "Fury_" "Thank you very much!" nil)
(3470484198 :privmsg "pkhuong" "lichtblau: mother of all commits (:" nil)
(3470484203 :privmsg "nyef" "lichtblau: Fair enough. Just the single patch for all this?" nil)
(3470484212 :part "alinp" nil "n=alinp@89.137.98.94")
(3470484213 :privmsg "Fury_" "it should not be global, because there could be some instances of the same funktion" nil)
(3470484230 :privmsg "malsyned" "Fury_: you can put the let form around multiple defuns to share the variable between them." nil)
(3470484248 :privmsg "Fury_" "this is gread thanks :)" nil)
(3470484251 :privmsg "Fury_" "great" nil)
(3470484265 :privmsg "malsyned" "Fury_: how can there be multiple instances of the same function coexisting?  Are they in different packages?" nil)
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(3470484323 :privmsg "Fury_" "no. this funktions should be generated by an other function" nil)
(3470484340 :privmsg "Fury_" "I try to make something like a continuation" nil)
(3470484347 :privmsg "Fury_" "im very new to lisp... sry" nil)
(3470484402 :privmsg "malsyned" "Fury_: ah, yeah, in that case wrapping your defuns in a let is the strategy I'd use." nil)
(3470484423 :privmsg "lichtblau" "yes, only one commit" nil)
(3470484498 :privmsg "Fury_" "ok thaks. But i dont know how to store a growing funktin in this f : (let ((x f)) . I want to build f(f(f(f(...f(x)..." nil)
(3470484501 :privmsg "pkhuong" "Fury_: then you want (let (...) (lambda ...))." nil)
(3470484504 :privmsg "froydnj" "pkhuong: whacking {a,b,c,d}h seems reasonable enough and if it makes the allocator simpler and/or enables other optimizations, I'm all for it." nil)
(3470484557 :privmsg "froydnj" "pkhuong: it'd be nice if the assembler still understood it (somehow), just in case somebody wanted to port high-speed aes assembly to sbcl...but that's pretty minor" nil)
(3470484561 :privmsg "froydnj" ";)" nil)
(3470484580 :privmsg "pkhuong" "froydnj: right, my thoughts too." nil)
(3470484596 :privmsg "pkhuong" "but if you wrote in SSE it'd be even faster ;)" nil)
(3470484628 :action "froydnj" "hasn't seen one of those yet" nil)
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(3470485050 :privmsg "Fury_" "can i change a let-variables value with setq without making it global?" nil)
(3470485056 :privmsg "nikodemus" "yes" nil)
(3470485059 :privmsg "Fury_" "thanks" nil)
(3470485085 :privmsg "Fury_" "ok now i try to solve my problem :)" nil)
(3470485085 :privmsg "nyef" "That said, use of setq is generally discouraged by some people." nil)
(3470485101 :privmsg "Fury_" "is setf better?" nil)
(3470485106 :privmsg "malsyned" "Fury_: setf is just as good and more flexible." nil)
(3470485106 :privmsg "nyef" "setf is more general." nil)
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(3470485113 :privmsg "Fury_" "ok" nil)
(3470485132 :privmsg "Fury_" "i thought maybe setq is faster..." nil)
(3470485160 :privmsg "nyef" "setq must use a symbol as its place (though it may be a symbol-macro, and in such case will end up devolving to setf), while setf can take any \"place\", and will typically devolve to setq for bare symbols." nil)
(3470485163 :privmsg "malsyned" "Fury_: setf typically macroexpands to setq when used on simple variables." nil)
(3470485178 :privmsg "nyef" "(Do I mean devolve? Maybe.)" nil)
(3470485183 :quit "ruediger" "\"This computer has gone to sleep\"" "n=the-rued@p508B23AA.dip.t-dialin.net")
(3470485187 :privmsg "Fury_" "ok thanks" nil)
(3470485202 :privmsg "Fury_" "do you use lisp at work in a company?" nil)
(3470485232 :action "nyef" "occasionally gets to use lisp in the line of duty, as it were, but not often." nil)
(3470485243 :privmsg "hypno" "same here." nil)
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(3470485278 :privmsg "nyef" "Typically, I get to use lisp when I'm doing some ad-hoc analysis that nobody will need the code for, just the results." nil)
(3470485290 :privmsg "Fury_" "I have to use it in a lecture in university... because of that i have no practise" nil)
(3470485293 :privmsg "malsyned" "I use lisp to prototype algorithms and debug them interactively before porting them to C for deployment." nil)
(3470485307 :quit "ignas" "Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)" "n=ignas@78-60-73-85.static.zebra.lt")
(3470485324 :action "Xach" "does that, except without the porting" nil)
(3470485332 :privmsg "Fury_" "ok" nil)
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(3470485393 :privmsg "nyef" "My current gig is unlikely to involve actual code, it's all configuration of this ugly framwork thing, and if it does end up involving code it will almost certainly be server-side javascript." nil)
(3470485406 :privmsg "nyef" "(Because that's all that the framework supports.)" nil)
(3470485450 :privmsg "nyef" "Okay, running genesis on a dangerous build. I may lag for a bit soon, or even have to reboot. :-/" nil)
(3470485476 :privmsg "Fury_" "I do have to do homework for university at home... this is very boring..... :(" nil)
(3470485480 :privmsg "nyef" "Ooh. No damage this time." nil)
(3470485512 :privmsg "nyef" "Great, I'm dumped to LDB with no backtrace and no interrupt contexts." nil)
(3470485515 :privmsg "nyef" "WTF?" nil)
(3470485609 :privmsg "nikodemus" "it's sb-show time!" nil)
(3470485611 :privmsg "nyef" "Usual two REPL catchers." nil)
(3470485615 :privmsg "nyef" "I'm running sb-show." nil)
(3470485627 :quit "ASau`" "\"off\"" "n=user@77.246.231.86")
(3470485657 :privmsg "lisppaste" "nyef pasted \"The tail end of my session thus far\" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/92479" nil)
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(3470485691 :part "rares" nil "n=rares@174-22-228-98.phnx.qwest.net")
(3470485699 :quit "legumbre" "Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)" "n=leo@r190-135-2-36.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy")
(3470485721 :privmsg "nyef" "I also enabled QSHOW, but not QSHOW_SIGNALS." nil)
(3470485752 :privmsg "Fury_" ":( i dont know how to let a function return an other function..." nil)
(3470485784 :privmsg "nyef" "Fury_: (defun foo (x) (lambda () x))" nil)
(3470485802 :privmsg "nikodemus" "minion: tell Fury_ about pcl-book" nil)
(3470485809 :privmsg "minion" "Fury_: please see pcl-book: \"Practical Common Lisp\", an introduction to Common Lisp by Peter Seibel, available at http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/ and in dead-tree form from Apress (as of 11 April 2005)." nil)
(3470485814 :privmsg "Fury_" "ok thanks" nil)
(3470485818 :privmsg "nyef" "Fury_: And you'll want either FUNCALL or APPLY if you haven't run into them yet." nil)
(3470485845 :quit "OmniMancer" "Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)" "n=OmniManc@219-89-108-146.jetstart.xtra.co.nz")
(3470485863 :privmsg "nyef" "nikodemus: So, do you have any ideas for how to get more information out of this thing, or should I just try desk-checking stuff?" nil)
(3470485897 :privmsg "nikodemus" "nyef: i'd go with gdb and trying to catch the fault in situ" nil)
(3470485922 :privmsg "nikodemus" "but debugging cold init is definitely not my strong suit" nil)
(3470485958 :privmsg "nyef" "Mmm. I could argue that this isn't actually cold init anymore, as it survives to the REPL, but that's sophistry at this point." nil)
(3470485993 :quit "mvilleneuve" "\"Lost terminal\"" "n=mvillene@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr")
(3470485998 :quit "malsyned" "\"Leaving\"" "n=malsyned@24-151-81-214.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com")
(3470486033 :action "nyef" "enables QSHOW_SIGNALS and slams." nil)
(3470486108 :privmsg "nyef" "Hrm... \"heap WP violation? fault_addr=779d836, page_index=-1\"" nil)
(3470486144 :privmsg "nyef" "Odd that the address isn't octaword-aligned." nil)
(3470486240 :quit "Demosthenes" "Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)" "n=demo@206.180.154.148.adsl.hal-pc.org")
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(3470486516 :privmsg "nyef" "Oh, I know why I'm not getting a backtrace. This is x86-64, and the frame pointers are being omitted." nil)
(3470486541 :privmsg "nyef" "Hrm. No, that doesn't fly..." nil)
(3470486784 :part "ilowry" nil "n=user@80.73.201.65")
(3470486865 :quit "grouzen" "Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)" "n=grouzen@91.214.124.2")
(3470486942 :quit "Phoodus" "Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)" "i=foo@ip68-231-37-148.ph.ph.cox.net")
(3470487043 :privmsg "nikodemus" "nyef: sanity check that you can get a backtrace from an un-hacked complete build from a memory fault?" nil)
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(3470487193 :privmsg "nyef" "Well, from code inspection, there are only two ways to fail to obtain a backtrace in the fashion that I am, and they both involve stack_pointer_p returning false." nil)
(3470487209 :privmsg "nyef" "So I'm thinking that my thread struct might be corrupt or something like that." nil)
(3470487232 :privmsg "nyef" "But yeah, backing out to an unhacked copy might help here. Thanks." nil)
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(3470487357 :join "Demosthenes" nil "n=demo@206.180.155.43.adsl.hal-pc.org")
(3470487361 :privmsg "nyef" "Ugh. And I have whitespace damage at some point. Have to track -that- down, too." nil)
(3470487379 :privmsg "nyef" "(At least it's not an accidentally-committed trace file. The diffs from that were horrendous.)" nil)
(3470487714 :nick "legumbre_" "legumbre" "n=leo@r190-135-79-185.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy")
(3470487850 :privmsg "Fury_" "Why does this not work: (setf func (lambda () (funcall f func)))" nil)
(3470487855 :privmsg "pkhuong" "I wonder if it would have been easier to *add* fixnum tag bits." nil)
(3470487869 :privmsg "pkhuong" "Fury_: you'll have to define \"not working\" in this context." nil)
(3470487904 :privmsg "_deepfire" "clhs fdefinition" nil)
(3470487905 :privmsg "specbot" "http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_fdefin.htm" nil)
(3470487929 :privmsg "Fury_" "it says \"LAMBDA NIL (FUNCALL F FUNC)> is not a number\"" nil)
(3470487936 :privmsg "nyef" "pkhuong: I'd go with yes-and-no, because there are parts of the system that presently assume that an untagged aligned machine word pointer can be type-punned as a fixnum." nil)
(3470487978 :privmsg "nyef" "Okay, while that builds, I have a situation with two stack TNs. They both have the same SC, and the lifetime of one is contained entirely within the lifetime of the other." nil)
(3470488025 :privmsg "nyef" "There is an undeclared ordering dependency between the two TNs, and the compiler is reliably packing them in the \"wrong\" order." nil)
(3470488029 :privmsg "Demosthenes" "ry and Use of Previous Passwords - Iry and Use of Previous Passwords - I" nil)
(3470488030 :privmsg "Demosthenes" "ry and Use of Previous Passwords - Iry and Use of Previous Passwords - I" nil)
(3470488031 :privmsg "Demosthenes" "ry and Use of Previous Passwords - Iry and Use of Previous Passwords - I" nil)
(3470488038 :privmsg "Demosthenes" "ry and Use of Previous Passwords - Iry and Use of Previous Passwords - I" nil)
(3470488115 :privmsg "Xach" "Demosthenes: ok" nil)
(3470488156 :quit "gz" "Quit: gz" "Clozure@clozure-93943513.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com")
(3470488172 :privmsg "nyef" "Is it even possible to make the compiler pack them in the \"right\" order, or should I start looking at other solutions?" nil)
(3470488210 :privmsg "Fury_" "my function looks like this : http://pastebin.de/2747" nil)
(3470488251 :quit "pkhuong" "Remote closed the connection" "n=pkhuong@modemcable238.100-176-173.mc.videotron.ca")
(3470488253 :join "pkhuong" nil "n=pkhuong@modemcable238.100-176-173.mc.videotron.ca")
(3470488265 :privmsg "Xach" "the parentheses are revolting" nil)
(3470488281 :privmsg "Fury_" "in my code?" nil)
(3470488282 :nick "pkhuong" "Guest84775" "n=pkhuong@modemcable238.100-176-173.mc.videotron.ca")
(3470488334 :privmsg "Xach" "Fury_: if you want help, it will help to format it conventionally. but it will also help to say what you expected to happen and what actually happened instead." nil)
(3470488392 :privmsg "Fury_" "Sorry :( i dont know how to format it properly" nil)
(3470488459 :privmsg "_deepfire" "Fury_, seems like you do not use emacs, which would have helped formatting/indenting it properly" nil)
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(3470488507 :privmsg "_deepfire" "minion, tell Fury_ about style" nil)
(3470488508 :privmsg "minion" "Fury_: have a look at style: http://mumble.net/~campbell/scheme/style.txt" nil)
(3470488642 :quit "sellout" nil "n=greg@c-24-128-48-180.hsd1.ma.comcast.net")
(3470488726 :nick "Guest84775" "pkhuong" "n=pkhuong@modemcable238.100-176-173.mc.videotron.ca")
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(3470489201 :nick "nicklevinehome_" "nicklevinehome" "n=chatzill@cpc1-cmbg14-2-0-cust14.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com")
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(3470489795 :privmsg "froydnj" "nyef: could the problem be with your code somehow?" nil)
(3470489806 :privmsg "pkhuong" "froydnj: probably is (:" nil)
(3470489808 :privmsg "nyef" "Which problem?" nil)
(3470489816 :privmsg "froydnj" "the stack TN packing problem" nil)
(3470489850 :privmsg "pkhuong" "ooh, interesting. Let me get the logs." nil)
(3470489853 :privmsg "nyef" "Oh, definately is with my code. But there are good reasons for why it needs to be this way." nil)
(3470489895 :privmsg "froydnj" "what are you trying to do?" nil)
(3470489922 :privmsg "nyef" "Bug 379472." nil)
(3470489968 :quit "dto1" "Read error: 113 (No route to host)" "n=dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net")
(3470490052 :privmsg "nyef" "Aha! Found the backtrace problem." nil)
(3470490190 :privmsg "pkhuong" "nyef: so, some sort of partial order on stack tns from their live ranges?" nil)
(3470490432 :quit "mstevens" "\"leaving\"" "n=mstevens@zazen.etla.org")
(3470490498 :privmsg "nyef" "pkhuong: Yes." nil)
(3470490518 :privmsg "nyef" "And since they're dynamic-extent, their live ranges are properly nested." nil)
(3470490533 :privmsg "pkhuong" "do you see a situation where we'd need to specify an ordering between stack tns that have the same live ranges at the bblock level?" nil)
(3470490598 :privmsg "nyef" "I wouldn't discount such a thing, but I don't believe it applies here." nil)
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