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2016-09-03T02:17:22Z specbot: http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/m_defpkg.htm
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2016-09-03T07:12:59Z fiddlerwoaroof: My guess is, with a bit of practice and rules about working in other people's practices you could probably be moderately successful
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2016-09-03T07:23:27Z Quadrescence: anyone who tries to convince me that a f**ton of small functions is good lisp practice
2016-09-03T07:23:50Z Quadrescence: is going to be punished
2016-09-03T07:24:27Z fiddlerwoaroof: Would an equivalent number of small macros be good practice?
2016-09-03T07:24:36Z fiddlerwoaroof: :)
2016-09-03T07:25:20Z Quadrescence: no, good abstractions are what you want
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2016-09-03T07:32:20Z zhlyg: (loop for i from 0 below 10 do (sb-thread:make-thread (lambda () (format t "i=~a~%" i))))
2016-09-03T07:32:34Z zhlyg: What makes the above sometimes not print 0 to 9?
2016-09-03T07:32:59Z Bike: uh... threads finishing at different times?
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2016-09-03T07:33:33Z zhlyg: Oh, I meant more that i get 1 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9, ie sometimes missing numbers.
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2016-09-03T07:45:19Z svetlyak40wt: Hello everybody!
2016-09-03T07:46:09Z svetlyak40wt: Does somebody read a Let over Lambda? I have a problem with defmacro/g!, seems it does not work under sbcl.
2016-09-03T07:47:28Z zhlyg: svetlyak40wt: funny, I'm just sitting here trying to wrap my head around corner cases with variable capturing.
2016-09-03T07:49:27Z svetlyak40wt: zerac: my problem is that g!-symbol-p, used in defmacro/g!, checks if give parameter is a symbol, using "symbolp" predicate, but for ,g!-something, type is sb-impl::comma in SBCL.
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2016-09-03T07:49:44Z svetlyak40wt: I have not checked it in other implementations yet
2016-09-03T07:51:04Z svetlyak40wt: Installing CCL right now.
2016-09-03T07:53:06Z pillton: zhlyg: There is only one binding for i. The binding is shared across all threads.
2016-09-03T07:53:41Z pillton: zhlyg: (mapcar #'funcall (loop for i from 0 below 10 collect (lambda () (print i))))
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2016-09-03T07:59:57Z svetlyak40wt: zhlyg: don't know what was the question, but this issue can be solved with yet another closure: (mapcar #'funcall (loop for i from 0 below 10 collect ((lambda (i) (lambda () (print i))) i)))
2016-09-03T08:01:21Z zhlyg: svetlyak40wt: Thanks! Yes wrapping the make-thread inside another binding will solve the problem: (let ((i i)) (make-thread...))
2016-09-03T08:02:29Z zhlyg: pillton: it is presumable shared, becase the closure is setup before the make-thread call. So the former can't know it is supposed to copy the variable value.
2016-09-03T08:03:24Z zhlyg: But why will a temporary variable (let ((i i))) solve it? It is just a temporary variable on the stack that disapears, might even before the thread is run.
2016-09-03T08:06:04Z zhlyg: I'm just trying to get the correct mental picture so I wont run into this corner-case again :)
2016-09-03T08:06:43Z Bike: svetlyak40wt: defmacro/g! assumes that the ` reader macro expands into conses, which is not guaranteed by the spec. it's nonconformant.
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2016-09-03T08:08:28Z Bike: it doesn't work on sbcl because sbcl expands ` into structures as of a few versions ago.
2016-09-03T08:08:32Z clique: if i remember well that book was not suggested
2016-09-03T08:08:54Z Xof: I wrote a blog post about that a while ago
2016-09-03T08:09:33Z Xof: two of them, in fact: http://christophe.rhodes.io/notes/blog/posts/2014/backquote_and_pretty_printing/ and http://christophe.rhodes.io/notes/blog/posts/2014/naive_vs_proper_code-walking/
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2016-09-03T09:22:19Z pillton: zhlyg: I'm really sorry. I got called to dinner. I will be back in an 1.5 hours. If you can't wait, I suggest taking a look at the hyperspec page for LET and the glossary entry for bindings.
2016-09-03T09:22:21Z pillton: clhs let
2016-09-03T09:22:21Z specbot: http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/s_let_l.htm
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2016-09-03T12:49:18Z pillton: Ok. Thank you.
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2016-09-03T16:06:51Z |3b|: zhlyg: the whole point of closures is to not "copy" things. it keeps a reference to the variable binding, which prevents the binding from being "temporary" in that case
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2016-09-03T16:09:04Z |3b|: zhlyg: that is useful when you want a function (or set of functions) to save state between calls (shared state in the case of multiple functions). Sometimes you don't want that, with loop iteration variables being a common case, in which case you need to make a separate binding for each closure
2016-09-03T16:10:15Z |3b|: (also, i'm pretty sure it isn't specified in CL whether loop variables have a single binding for the whole loop, or get a new binding each iteration, so you can't rely on the other behavior either, and the original loop might have behaved as you expected on some implementations)
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2016-09-03T16:26:39Z loke`: That is what the loop spec says
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2016-09-03T18:55:57Z racketschemer: Hi!
2016-09-03T18:56:07Z axion: Hello
2016-09-03T18:56:34Z racketschemer: Does anybody know a sound file manipulation library for common lisp?
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2016-09-03T18:59:02Z axion: Depends what you want to do.
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2016-09-03T19:15:04Z zhlyg: racketschemer: audio+CL is a living nightmare. You can write CFFI binding for ALSA, but for JACK you need a shim-layer in C.
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2016-09-03T19:19:55Z racketschemer: Oh geez.
2016-09-03T19:20:36Z axion: I've had general success with mixalot
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2016-09-03T19:22:56Z zhlyg: racketschemer: yes, you might want to go through some library. I'm not sure whats out there, openal?
2016-09-03T19:24:23Z racketschemer: But if i just want to parse and modify audio files? Is there no library out there? (T_T)
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2016-09-03T19:26:31Z zhlyg: racketschemer: checkout axion's answer, it seem to have bindings to ogg/vorbis. If you just want to modify WAV, it is simply done in one sitting.
2016-09-03T19:26:48Z edgar-rft: racketschemer: Common Lisp Muic was used for that, but the current versions have moved to s7 scheme <https://ccrma.stanford.edu/software/clm/>
2016-09-03T19:27:03Z edgar-rft: * Common Lisp Music
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2016-09-03T19:28:47Z racketschemer: What i want to do is to parse the audio, extract some value and recreate another audio file after applying some transformations. So is that what clm does?
2016-09-03T19:29:02Z racketschemer: To parse a sound?
2016-09-03T19:29:22Z racketschemer: or to create a sound
2016-09-03T19:30:03Z racketschemer: Ogg vorbis parsing would be just *perfect*
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2016-09-03T19:31:36Z edgar-rft: CLM can *all* of that except ogg-vorbis (noone with a sane brain uses lossy audio formats in production software)
2016-09-03T19:32:16Z racketschemer: Does it parse FLAC? :-)
2016-09-03T19:34:45Z racketschemer: Does it rely on C libraries i will have to compile from source here, on mac os X *sigh*?
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2016-09-03T19:58:11Z pjb: If you want to read/write sound file formats, the quick-and-dirty solution would be to fork out sox to do the conversion to the precise file format to some uniform expanded format that you would easily read and write with CL binary streams.  Then you could also write a CL library to read and write various sound file formats, it's usually quite fun to do.
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2016-09-03T20:16:19Z iskander: hi guys, why doesn't it work ? http://paste.lisp.org/display/325024
2016-09-03T20:16:36Z Bike: (funcall (double #'inc) 5)
2016-09-03T20:17:01Z iskander: damn, you are right, LISP is not scheme :) thx
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2016-09-03T22:25:01Z Cthulhux: probably a totally stupid question :-) but: how can i retrieve the "first match" from a cl-ppcre:scan-to-strings result? e.g. i get a #("abc") as the second result - how to get the "abc"?
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2016-09-03T22:25:53Z jasom: clhs elt
2016-09-03T22:25:53Z specbot: http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_elt.htm
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2016-09-03T22:28:52Z Cthulhux: jasom: thanks. :-)
2016-09-03T22:28:58Z jasom: e.g. (elt (nth-value 1 (cl-ppcre:scan-to-strings "([^b])*b" "aaabd")) 0) => "a"
2016-09-03T22:30:29Z Cthulhux: that works :) \o/
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2016-09-03T22:54:13Z Xach: I have found myself making middle-ground functions between scan and scan-to-strings, for when I don't know which thing I want to look at, but I don't want to cons up all the strings only to look at one or two
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2016-09-03T22:55:34Z Xach: i think i called it map-matches or map-match-indexes or something.
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2016-09-03T22:56:04Z Xach: Of course, I have also made up middle-ground functions only to find that a newer release of cl-ppcre added what i needed without me noticing.
2016-09-03T22:56:13Z Cthulhux: :D
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2016-09-03T22:57:34Z Cthulhux: cl-ppcre could need easier direct access to matches (i won't say "like python", just... differently).
2016-09-03T22:58:00Z Cthulhux:  e.g. return all matched strings in a list or something.
2016-09-03T22:59:05Z Xach: Cthulhux: ...like all-matches-as-strings?
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2016-09-03T23:04:21Z ukari: http://paste.lisp.org/+6YSQ
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2016-09-03T23:04:43Z Cthulhux: Xach: that returns the full text, not the grouped parts
2016-09-03T23:05:16Z Cthulhux: i usually use regex to find certain substrings. all-matches-as-strings won't help me with that :)
2016-09-03T23:05:21Z ukari: how it works, why like this
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2016-09-03T23:06:18Z Cthulhux: ukari, why? it's correct.
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2016-09-03T23:08:08Z ukari: the first time run (add-some 2), it just return a ADD-SOME, but next time run (add-some 2), it not return ADD-SOME,instead of it returns 4
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2016-09-03T23:08:58Z Xach: ukari: what did you expect?
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2016-09-03T23:09:49Z ukari: oh, i understand how it works now..
2016-09-03T23:09:56Z Cthulhux: :D
2016-09-03T23:10:07Z Cthulhux: (quick fix: remove the outer add-some).
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