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I've not used travis' markdown flavour before. 2016-08-29T02:45:40Z adolf_stalin joined #lisp 2016-08-29T02:48:24Z jasom: PuercoPop: did you mean jekyll rather than travis? 2016-08-29T02:50:14Z loke__: Dr Hyde 2016-08-29T02:50:33Z mastokley quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2016-08-29T02:52:07Z keramida quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2016-08-29T02:54:15Z adolf_stalin quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-08-29T03:00:10Z sai_rongzhj quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2016-08-29T03:00:28Z sai_rongzhj joined #lisp 2016-08-29T03:02:07Z sai_rongzhj quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-08-29T03:02:50Z pillton uses *-if-not more than complement. 2016-08-29T03:02:56Z jasom: There's a million ways to turn markdown into a webpage, but I don't believe travis contains one of them 2016-08-29T03:07:49Z PuercoPop: jasom: no, I meant travis. 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I, in general, abhor the rst syntax 2016-08-29T03:54:26Z PuercoPop: It is extensible in theory, and there is a cl-plugin (which has some ugly looking python). Should I work with the adoc or the md file? (I have only done this process for texinfo) 2016-08-29T03:55:18Z thortron quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2016-08-29T03:57:10Z jasom: PuercoPop: pick whichever. I've only played around with adoc, but like it so far. 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All a system needs to supply is a *library-pathname* variable and a load-library function. 2016-08-29T05:18:00Z jasom: pillton: I'm not sure I follow 2016-08-29T05:18:23Z jasom: How does one know which libraries to load? 2016-08-29T05:18:40Z pillton: The application knows this information. 2016-08-29T05:22:43Z froggey quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2016-08-29T05:24:51Z froggey joined #lisp 2016-08-29T05:25:31Z flamebeard joined #lisp 2016-08-29T05:31:20Z mastokley quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2016-08-29T05:31:47Z mathi_aihtam quit (Quit: mathi_aihtam) 2016-08-29T05:31:58Z tmtwd quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2016-08-29T05:32:32Z robotoad quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2016-08-29T05:32:33Z DeadTrickster quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2016-08-29T05:33:26Z mathi_aihtam joined #lisp 2016-08-29T05:34:05Z araujo__ quit (Quit: Leaving) 2016-08-29T05:36:14Z robotoad joined #lisp 2016-08-29T05:37:45Z shifty joined #lisp 2016-08-29T05:38:43Z shka_ quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2016-08-29T05:43:39Z slyrus quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2016-08-29T05:49:27Z ramky joined #lisp 2016-08-29T05:53:16Z chr15m quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2016-08-29T05:53:42Z jlarocco quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-08-29T05:57:01Z mishoo joined #lisp 2016-08-29T05:57:42Z kobain quit (Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/) 2016-08-29T06:03:05Z mathi_aihtam quit (Quit: mathi_aihtam) 2016-08-29T06:04:02Z PuercoPop: minion: memo for jasom: Apparently the new update to gh was to render html directly from the repo. Just going to settings and configuration master /docs directoy would render the HTML from the REPO https://puercopop.github.io/Parenscript/reference.html, do you still think it is still worth it to migrate to a markdown? 2016-08-29T06:04:03Z minion: Remembered. 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I'm updating it now. 2016-08-29T14:25:40Z kokonaisluku quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-08-29T14:26:04Z marco__ joined #lisp 2016-08-29T14:26:14Z Anselmo quit (Quit: WeeChat 1.5) 2016-08-29T14:26:31Z Anselmo joined #lisp 2016-08-29T14:27:22Z quazimodo quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2016-08-29T14:28:05Z Xach: sbcl!!! 2016-08-29T14:28:07Z Xach: so old 2016-08-29T14:28:24Z warweasle: Xach: I like to think of is as "classic". 2016-08-29T14:28:35Z warweasle: is->it 2016-08-29T14:29:48Z knobo1 is now known as knobo 2016-08-29T14:29:48Z warweasle: Xach: :) 2016-08-29T14:30:09Z Josh2 joined #lisp 2016-08-29T14:30:17Z warweasle: Xach: Also, who is sponsoring quicklisp? 2016-08-29T14:31:10Z TDT: I miss doing CL, been like 3 years since I touched it last :( 2016-08-29T14:31:25Z Grue``: nobody stops you 2016-08-29T14:31:53Z warweasle: TDT: Once you start, you can't stop. It's like a bag of chips. 2016-08-29T14:31:57Z TDT: Yeah, was able to do it in my full time employment before, now kinda stuck with C#, which I like...but not as much 2016-08-29T14:32:04Z Th30n joined #lisp 2016-08-29T14:32:05Z quazimodo joined #lisp 2016-08-29T14:32:08Z warweasle: TDT: Or crisps depending where you are. 2016-08-29T14:32:46Z TDT: warweasle, Yeah, I started something like 10 years ago, then stopped 3...it's a nice language. Spent a few minutes this morning looking at the libraries in the MOTD. 2016-08-29T14:33:28Z dyelar joined #lisp 2016-08-29T14:34:27Z rszeno: is hard to make a team from independt peoples 2016-08-29T14:34:31Z warweasle: TDT...I like C# better than Java. 2016-08-29T14:34:56Z warweasle: rszeno: Tell me about it! Lispgames has a bad case of the lisp curse. 2016-08-29T14:36:39Z rszeno: probable this or a similar channel are only places where somebody can make a lisper team 2016-08-29T14:37:43Z warweasle: rszeno: Well, there's #lispgames. 2016-08-29T14:38:06Z rszeno: but is a big difference between a contribution to something and being all the time active 2016-08-29T14:38:42Z rszeno: warweasle, thank you, good to know,:) 2016-08-29T14:39:25Z quazimodo quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2016-08-29T14:40:16Z rszeno: what about a kind of lisp android, similar functionality,:) 2016-08-29T14:40:37Z pareidolia: Can emacs macroexpand expressions using macrolet ? 2016-08-29T14:41:02Z warweasle: rszeno: ECL and SBCL will work on android (IIRC) 2016-08-29T14:42:18Z rszeno: i'm talking about the android its self, working is good but... 2016-08-29T14:43:09Z rszeno: imagine you can use lisp on mobile in a lisp way 2016-08-29T14:43:20Z Xach: warweasle: there are a number of people who give $5-$20 per month in the "supporter club" 2016-08-29T14:43:43Z Xach: warweasle: the roadblocks to the "big" fundraiser are clearing away slowly. hope to do that very soon. 2016-08-29T14:44:07Z harish quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2016-08-29T14:45:19Z Karl_Dscc joined #lisp 2016-08-29T14:45:46Z k3rn31 joined #lisp 2016-08-29T14:46:01Z Xach: It's not something I'm doing directly - working with another group to do it and collect the funds. Hope that doesn't freak anyone out. 2016-08-29T14:46:32Z jerme joined #lisp 2016-08-29T14:46:34Z k3rn31 quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 2016-08-29T14:47:12Z k3rn31 joined #lisp 2016-08-29T14:48:46Z Mon_Ouie joined #lisp 2016-08-29T14:49:07Z krasnal quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2016-08-29T14:49:56Z harish joined #lisp 2016-08-29T14:51:16Z eivarv joined #lisp 2016-08-29T14:52:06Z robotoad joined #lisp 2016-08-29T14:52:37Z krasnal joined #lisp 2016-08-29T14:54:35Z harish quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 2016-08-29T14:55:58Z wildlander joined #lisp 2016-08-29T14:57:12Z Grue``: the macroexpansion of macrolets seems to be kinda weird 2016-08-29T14:57:25Z Grue``: (macrolet ((babbit (z) `(+ ,z ,z))) (macroexpand '(babbit 5))) doesn't work 2016-08-29T14:57:30Z jackdaniel: rszeno: ECL may be built into your application (it compiles to so) 2016-08-29T14:57:34Z jackdaniel: check out ecl-android 2016-08-29T14:57:44Z Grue``: however if you do (defmacro mexp (form &environment env) `(macroexpand-1 ,form ,env)) 2016-08-29T14:57:51Z Grue``: then (macrolet ((babbit (z) `(+ ,z ,z))) (mexp '(babbit 5))) works 2016-08-29T14:57:56Z pareidolia: I can expand the entire defun containing a macrolet 2016-08-29T14:57:59Z pareidolia: But it's cumbersome 2016-08-29T14:58:34Z jackdaniel: rszeno: so it's not running lisp from a terminal but using it as part of your application (like any other library written in C) 2016-08-29T14:59:05Z Grue``: i wouldn't use macrolet in the first place unless the macro is trivially expandable in your head 2016-08-29T14:59:12Z jerme quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) 2016-08-29T14:59:36Z pareidolia: Mmm it is 2016-08-29T14:59:43Z jerme joined #lisp 2016-08-29T14:59:54Z warweasle quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-08-29T15:00:01Z pareidolia: Anyone know of a package that does Google TOTP ? 2016-08-29T15:00:39Z ferada: pareidolia: https://github.com/bhyde/cl-one-time-passwords e.g. 2016-08-29T15:01:14Z pareidolia: Great, I was aproposing for "otp" :) 2016-08-29T15:02:50Z rszeno: jackdaniel, one of the best part of lisp is you can use lisp to recover something what fail in someway. Embeding is something usefull but.. 2016-08-29T15:03:43Z jackdaniel: you've asked if you could lisp to write applications for android. imo lisp isn't a sliver bullet for programming failsafe programs 2016-08-29T15:04:15Z raydeejay: Grue``: I figured it out... the tutorial is wrong in that it uses ACCEPTOR instead of EASY-ACCEPTOR 2016-08-29T15:04:16Z sellout- joined #lisp 2016-08-29T15:04:29Z jackdaniel: you may also give a try to use mocl or lispworks (one doesn't have complete ansi standard yet, but the other is very good from what I've heard) 2016-08-29T15:05:34Z DavidGu quit (Quit: DavidGu) 2016-08-29T15:05:36Z rszeno: yes, nearly, :) i found a #lispmob for mobile with android (few minutes ago) 2016-08-29T15:05:54Z jackdaniel: o, never head about this channel 2016-08-29T15:06:31Z rszeno: are few others i found 2016-08-29T15:06:44Z krasnal quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2016-08-29T15:07:34Z jackdaniel: ah, it's not CL? 2016-08-29T15:07:54Z rszeno: seems lisp, probably cl 2016-08-29T15:08:32Z jackdaniel: uhm 2016-08-29T15:08:36Z shka quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 2016-08-29T15:08:42Z rszeno: see http://mail.lispmob.org/pipermail/announce/2014-January/000010.html 2016-08-29T15:09:15Z jackdaniel: I'll check it out later, thanks 2016-08-29T15:09:44Z rszeno: ok, :) 2016-08-29T15:10:32Z jackdaniel: it doesn't seem to be common lisp 2016-08-29T15:11:10Z rszeno: i have no idea, ii just found it,:) 2016-08-29T15:11:14Z harish joined #lisp 2016-08-29T15:11:15Z skeledrew joined #lisp 2016-08-29T15:11:32Z jackdaniel: uhm 2016-08-29T15:12:56Z rszeno: maybe is just an failed attempt, peoples try to do something sometimes 2016-08-29T15:13:16Z karswell quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2016-08-29T15:13:21Z jackdaniel: it's not even lisp 2016-08-29T15:13:24Z krasnal joined #lisp 2016-08-29T15:13:27Z kini quit (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.) 2016-08-29T15:13:34Z rszeno: not maintained, no interest, wrong direction 2016-08-29T15:13:39Z jackdaniel: it's locator/id separation protocol 2016-08-29T15:14:14Z jackdaniel: well, technically it is lisp, but not lisp as in lisp programming language 2016-08-29T15:15:14Z warweasle joined #lisp 2016-08-29T15:15:23Z rszeno: yes, locator identifier 2016-08-29T15:15:49Z warweasle: Looks like I needed to reboot...weird. 2016-08-29T15:16:13Z rszeno: hmm, lisp = locator identifier separation protocol, :) 2016-08-29T15:16:34Z mastokley joined #lisp 2016-08-29T15:17:52Z rszeno: with all it's stuff, is not lisp what we expect, clearly 2016-08-29T15:21:40Z knicklux quit (Quit: Leaving) 2016-08-29T15:22:55Z DeadTrickster quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2016-08-29T15:23:19Z kini joined #lisp 2016-08-29T15:23:33Z EvW quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2016-08-29T15:23:43Z ksool quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-08-29T15:24:29Z dyelar quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-08-29T15:27:33Z ksool joined #lisp 2016-08-29T15:27:50Z M-Illandan joined #lisp 2016-08-29T15:29:47Z Th30n_ joined #lisp 2016-08-29T15:31:53Z BusFactor1 joined #lisp 2016-08-29T15:32:54Z Th30n quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2016-08-29T15:33:36Z kobain joined #lisp 2016-08-29T15:35:37Z mrcom quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep) 2016-08-29T15:37:35Z Th30n_ is now known as Th30n 2016-08-29T15:40:22Z yrk quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2016-08-29T15:43:27Z warweasle quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-08-29T15:43:54Z flamebeard quit (Quit: Leaving) 2016-08-29T15:46:45Z pareidolia: It seems I cannot have multiple :before methods with the same (most generic) specializer 2016-08-29T15:47:00Z Josh3 joined #lisp 2016-08-29T15:47:33Z Josh2 quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2016-08-29T15:47:34Z Josh3 is now known as Josh2 2016-08-29T15:48:27Z slyrus joined #lisp 2016-08-29T15:48:46Z Munksgaard quit (Quit: Leaving.) 2016-08-29T15:49:33Z varjag quit (Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)) 2016-08-29T15:51:37Z groovy2shoes quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2016-08-29T15:51:47Z DeadTrickster joined #lisp 2016-08-29T15:52:07Z warweasle joined #lisp 2016-08-29T15:52:29Z Mon_Ouie quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2016-08-29T15:53:05Z fitzsim quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-08-29T15:53:11Z Bike joined #lisp 2016-08-29T15:55:28Z thortron joined #lisp 2016-08-29T15:56:22Z k3rn31 quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2016-08-29T15:56:23Z stardiviner quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2016-08-29T15:56:23Z quazimodo joined #lisp 2016-08-29T15:56:27Z k3rn31_ joined #lisp 2016-08-29T15:59:01Z pareidolia: Is there some sort of Swank connection hook? I want to (setf vom:*log-stream* swank::*standard-output*) 2016-08-29T16:00:13Z phoe: I don't think you want to print non-Swank sexpressions to Swank output. 2016-08-29T16:00:27Z phoe: In the best case, they won't get interpreted; in the worst case, undefined behaviour. 2016-08-29T16:00:47Z pareidolia: It's the stream that gets dumped to Emacs 2016-08-29T16:01:01Z phoe: Is it in the format that's digestible by Slime? 2016-08-29T16:01:11Z phoe: Because that's where the stream goes. 2016-08-29T16:01:27Z pareidolia: It gets dumped in the repl output 2016-08-29T16:01:34Z phoe: Then I'm misinformed. 2016-08-29T16:01:43Z pareidolia: In the slime repl *standard-output* is a # 2016-08-29T16:01:57Z pareidolia: It's handy to have VOM dump there too 2016-08-29T16:02:09Z kmb joined #lisp 2016-08-29T16:02:18Z mathrick quit (Quit: Leaving) 2016-08-29T16:02:30Z phoe: Again - Swank connection hook? 2016-08-29T16:02:31Z mathrick joined #lisp 2016-08-29T16:02:36Z pareidolia: Somethign like that 2016-08-29T16:02:39Z phoe: You want to set something on serverside? 2016-08-29T16:02:48Z pareidolia: (setf 2016-08-29T16:02:48Z pareidolia: vom:*log-stream* swank::*standard-output*) 2016-08-29T16:02:52Z pareidolia: Yep 2016-08-29T16:03:17Z phoe: *standard-output* is a dynamic variable though. I don't know how it behaves with multiple connections. 2016-08-29T16:03:26Z phoe: Unless swank::*standard-output* is some sort of multicast stream. 2016-08-29T16:03:33Z pareidolia: I can live with "last connection only" 2016-08-29T16:03:42Z pareidolia: It's for development 2016-08-29T16:05:35Z Trystam joined #lisp 2016-08-29T16:05:35Z Trystam quit (Changing host) 2016-08-29T16:05:35Z Trystam joined #lisp 2016-08-29T16:05:40Z malice`: pareidolia: i completely idk but you can take a look here: https://github.com/7max/log4cl/blob/master/src/log4slime.lisp 2016-08-29T16:05:48Z malice`: just some package that came to my mind, maybe you can find something in there that will hlep you 2016-08-29T16:06:14Z pareidolia: Thanks. 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Just going to settings and configuration master /docs directoy would render the HTML from the REPO https://puercopop.github.io/Parenscript/reference.html, do you still think it is still worth it to migrate to a markdown? 2016-08-29T16:51:54Z jasom: minion: memo for PuercoPop: I'm fine editing html; honestly whomever is going to do the work can pick any format they choose, from my point of view. 2016-08-29T16:51:54Z minion: Remembered. 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Reading the documentation for blackbird makes me happy and giddy 2016-08-29T18:11:57Z phoe quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2016-08-29T18:17:16Z MoALTz joined #lisp 2016-08-29T18:25:11Z bocaneri quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-08-29T18:25:38Z sellout- quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2016-08-29T18:25:48Z mastokley joined #lisp 2016-08-29T18:26:00Z pipping: Xach: so is the expected timeframe for the matched-one-time donation event more like 2 weeks or 2 months? 2016-08-29T18:26:12Z Th30n quit (Quit: leaving) 2016-08-29T18:26:35Z pipping: Xach: (also, who'd be to thank for that?) 2016-08-29T18:27:53Z marsjaninzmarsa quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2016-08-29T18:28:02Z KaliLinuxGR quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-08-29T18:28:31Z marsjaninzmarsa joined #lisp 2016-08-29T18:30:03Z sellout- joined #lisp 2016-08-29T18:30:45Z cyberlard quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2016-08-29T18:30:58Z ekinmur joined #lisp 2016-08-29T18:31:04Z marsjaninzmarsa quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 2016-08-29T18:31:29Z marsjaninzmarsa joined #lisp 2016-08-29T18:34:37Z marsjaninzmarsa quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 2016-08-29T18:36:07Z fiddlerwoaroof: pareidolia: does the url http://api.ipify.org work for you with carrier? 2016-08-29T18:36:25Z phoe joined #lisp 2016-08-29T18:36:26Z fiddlerwoaroof: It's returning nil for me, when it should be returning my ip 2016-08-29T18:36:41Z marsjaninzmarsa joined #lisp 2016-08-29T18:37:15Z fiddlerwoaroof: ngrep shows that I'm receiving the write idea, but it looks like carrier isn't handling the body correctly 2016-08-29T18:38:16Z cyberlard joined #lisp 2016-08-29T18:38:39Z marsjaninzmarsa quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 2016-08-29T18:42:23Z jasom: that's really odd as that site returns almost nothing. The Via: header is the only not completely minimal thing in there 2016-08-29T18:43:21Z marsjaninzmarsa joined #lisp 2016-08-29T18:44:27Z marsjaninzmarsa quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 2016-08-29T18:46:48Z fiddlerwoaroof: jasom: Yeah, that's the strange thing, I'm filing a bug report 2016-08-29T18:48:04Z marsjaninzmarsa joined #lisp 2016-08-29T18:53:31Z marsjaninzmarsa quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2016-08-29T18:54:09Z marsjaninzmarsa joined #lisp 2016-08-29T18:55:18Z fiddlerwoaroof: I wonder if it's because there's no content-type? 2016-08-29T18:56:13Z k3rn31 quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.) 2016-08-29T18:58:48Z xaotuk quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2016-08-29T19:02:23Z want-to-create-P joined #lisp 2016-08-29T19:02:30Z holly2 quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2016-08-29T19:03:42Z want-to-create-P: Hello, i wrote some functions in Common Lisp with Emacs, and I know, that one can export this to a PDF-file as documentation. But I dont remember the Elisp-function for that ,and googling brings me to Elisp documentation, but not CREATING documentation 2016-08-29T19:03:51Z want-to-create-P: can anyone help? thanks :-) 2016-08-29T19:04:19Z want-to-create-P: I think maybe it is done with org-mode, but i am not sure 2016-08-29T19:05:34Z fiddlerwoaroof: Are you talking about the cl or cl-lib modules for emacs? 2016-08-29T19:06:06Z fiddlerwoaroof: it sounds like a question for #emacs 2016-08-29T19:06:30Z want-to-create-P: yeah, you're right, i switch channel, ty 2016-08-29T19:08:22Z holly2 joined #lisp 2016-08-29T19:08:58Z mathi_aihtam quit (Quit: mathi_aihtam) 2016-08-29T19:09:01Z rszeno: not a lisp topic but there a documentation for elisp 2016-08-29T19:10:21Z eschatologist quit (Quit: ZNC 1.6.3+deb1 - http://znc.in) 2016-08-29T19:10:59Z eschatologist joined #lisp 2016-08-29T19:11:01Z rszeno: i mean: 'there is a' 2016-08-29T19:11:42Z eschatologist quit (Client Quit) 2016-08-29T19:12:21Z eschatologist joined #lisp 2016-08-29T19:12:41Z sellout- quit (Quit: Leaving.) 2016-08-29T19:14:18Z kushal quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2016-08-29T19:17:07Z mvilleneuve joined #lisp 2016-08-29T19:17:58Z grimsley joined #lisp 2016-08-29T19:21:28Z zygentoma quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2016-08-29T19:27:54Z Xach: pipping: Not sure - it's typical to do a month, I think. 2016-08-29T19:29:46Z pareidolia: want-to-create-P: org-latex-export-to-pdf ? 2016-08-29T19:30:48Z want-to-create-P: yeah thx, i am reading about it, found this site http://orgmode.org/worg/org-tutorials/org-latex-export.html , it's helpful, but, it doesnt work til now 2016-08-29T19:32:05Z al-damiri joined #lisp 2016-08-29T19:33:50Z zygentoma joined #lisp 2016-08-29T19:40:40Z scymtym quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2016-08-29T19:41:12Z vlatkoB quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-08-29T19:45:36Z Guest57972 is now known as sword 2016-08-29T19:45:55Z EvW joined #lisp 2016-08-29T19:47:40Z dim: Xach: # but https://github.com/dimitri/cl-ixf/commits/master --- latest commit is from Sep 24, 2015 2016-08-29T19:48:15Z dim: Xach: should I do something special to have ixf updated in Quicklisp? I seem to remember that baring releases/tags it's all automatic 2016-08-29T19:48:42Z Xach: dim: it takes v0.9 2016-08-29T19:48:51Z Xach: dim: would you prefer master? 2016-08-29T19:48:53Z Xach: or something else? 2016-08-29T19:48:57Z dim: yes please, master is fine 2016-08-29T19:48:59Z Karl_Dscc joined #lisp 2016-08-29T19:49:29Z dim: there was a time where pgloader required v0.9 but nowadays it's the other way round, we might have installed a temp hack for QL dist to build 2016-08-29T19:50:04Z Xach: The next update will have the latest from master 2016-08-29T19:50:07Z dim: I'm releasing pgloader v3.3.1 now, it requires ixf master's branch, and your next QL update won't build otherwise as the pgloader-latest.tgz has been updated already 2016-08-29T19:50:12Z dim: thx! 2016-08-29T19:51:11Z dim: sorry about what's coming now... I use QL as a source for packaging in debian, including packaging pgloader, so I'm now blocked behind that to release pgloader in debian, is there a way we don't wait for a month on those 2 systems/releases? 2016-08-29T19:52:01Z dim: (if the answer is “not possible without spending more time than expected” (which might well be 0), just tell me, no pb of course) 2016-08-29T19:52:21Z jasom: In general it seems that for projects with release tags, quicklisp defaults to the latest release, and for project without releases it just uses master. 2016-08-29T19:52:34Z madbub quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-08-29T19:52:43Z dim: maybe I should tag ixf at 0.10 then 2016-08-29T19:53:03Z dim: won't fix how to package pgloader for debian tonight tho ;-) 2016-08-29T19:53:18Z jasom: dim: you could always pull ixf and pgloader into local-projects as part of the build process 2016-08-29T19:53:24Z dim: nope 2016-08-29T19:53:25Z Xach: Using the latest release tag is a new feature that has only been in Quicklisp a few months, and only a few projects use it. 2016-08-29T19:53:39Z Xach: dim: It isn't likely that there will be a quick release, sorry. 2016-08-29T19:53:45Z dim: makes sense that I don't remember about that rule/feature then 2016-08-29T19:54:00Z Xach: Would you like to use the latest release tag for cl-ixf, instead of master? 2016-08-29T19:54:25Z dim: well currently I am making no release to it ever 2016-08-29T19:54:31Z dim: master is my preference really 2016-08-29T19:54:38Z Xach: Ok 2016-08-29T19:55:07Z m00natic joined #lisp 2016-08-29T19:55:07Z dim: if it makes your life easier, I will switch to using a tag each time I want QL to be updated, tho, which mean I will do releases 2016-08-29T19:55:18Z tfb joined #lisp 2016-08-29T19:55:27Z dim: I have no pb making your life easier given how QL is useful to me ;-) 2016-08-29T19:56:35Z puchacz quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 2016-08-29T19:57:49Z Xach: If master works for you, it works for me 2016-08-29T19:57:52Z dim: good 2016-08-29T19:59:10Z raydeejay: you're making me very envious... at the last place I worked, trying to make out stuff work with other people's stuff was pretty much the opposite: "I won't change it because I don't feel like it" :D 2016-08-29T20:00:11Z dim: that's one of the nice things of Open Source done on each one's free time, we don't want to be an overhead to those who are providing us with solutions we depend on 2016-08-29T20:00:36Z eivarv quit (Quit: Sleep) 2016-08-29T20:01:46Z Xach: i can make an early update 2016-08-29T20:01:50Z Xach: for one MILLION dollars 2016-08-29T20:02:54Z arrsim quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2016-08-29T20:03:06Z dim: do you mean US dollars or should I spend time finding the lowest value dollar around? ;-) 2016-08-29T20:03:17Z shka_ quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2016-08-29T20:03:41Z phoe: time to make a Zimbabwe trip 2016-08-29T20:03:57Z phoe: http://thefinanser.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/6a01053620481c970b019104649841970c-500wi.jpg 2016-08-29T20:04:00Z Xach laid low by underspecification 2016-08-29T20:04:09Z quazimodo quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2016-08-29T20:05:05Z edgar-rft: Maybe we could make a compromise: Xach will make an early update right NOW and we'll give him the million as soon as we have it? 2016-08-29T20:05:06Z dim: http://www.xe.com/currencyconverter/convert/?Amount=1000000&From=ZWD&To=USD 2016-08-29T20:05:18Z dim: a million ZWD still is 2,763.194 USD 2016-08-29T20:05:36Z Xach: that's not too shabby 2016-08-29T20:05:55Z sellout- joined #lisp 2016-08-29T20:05:58Z edgar-rft: we could try to pay with chocolate dollars 2016-08-29T20:06:07Z madbub joined #lisp 2016-08-29T20:06:08Z raydeejay: monopoly money? 2016-08-29T20:06:10Z dim: at least I tried 2016-08-29T20:06:19Z dim: it needs to be some kind of dollars 2016-08-29T20:07:35Z dim: Xach: can you tell me which version string will have the next dist of ixf already? so that I pick something lower now and make a package from github rather than from QL 2016-08-29T20:07:53Z dim: (and then update easily whenever you release) 2016-08-29T20:08:52Z Xach: dim: i'm afraid i can't parse that question. which version string will have the next dist of ixf?? 2016-08-29T20:09:05Z dim: # 2016-08-29T20:09:17Z Xach: Which part do you consider the version string? 2016-08-29T20:09:25Z dim: ahah 2016-08-29T20:09:54Z sellout-1 joined #lisp 2016-08-29T20:09:56Z Xach: the words look like english but are arranged in an ... unfamiliar pattern 2016-08-29T20:11:15Z dim: 6th field in the release string as in drakma http://beta.quicklisp.org/archive/drakma/2014-04-25/drakma-1.3.8.tgz 70983 4e80f021b6e21c8db9d5dd6246602d53 d18893ba81569d40e7a25591094aeb976ba67437 drakma-1.3.8 drakma-test.asd drakma.asd 2016-08-29T20:11:40Z JuanDaugherty joined #lisp 2016-08-29T20:11:58Z dim: well yeah that would be 20140826 if I read my code correctly 2016-08-29T20:12:22Z Xach: Oh, I think I can check that! 2016-08-29T20:12:37Z dim: is that the latest git repository commit or the date of when the release script run or something else entirely? 2016-08-29T20:12:37Z Xach: It will be a timestamp of the last git commit before the dist release 2016-08-29T20:12:43Z dim: awesome, thanks 2016-08-29T20:12:56Z Xach: or rather, hmm 2016-08-29T20:13:11Z Xach double-checks 2016-08-29T20:13:16Z sellout- quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2016-08-29T20:13:16Z dim: 20150924 then 2016-08-29T20:13:51Z Xach: I was wrong, sorry. 2016-08-29T20:14:12Z Xach: It generally corresponds to the date of the dist in which it first appears 2016-08-29T20:14:28Z dim: ok so I can take today as the version string 2016-08-29T20:14:39Z dim: which is even better than the first idea 2016-08-29T20:14:41Z Xach: And it is updated for each dist, if it is updated 2016-08-29T20:15:01Z Xach: Yes, if you use today, or 2015????, the next version in quicklisp will have a higher number. 2016-08-29T20:15:28Z Xach: Those are not designed rigorously, but more to tell from a glance the rough era of the software 2016-08-29T20:16:02Z jerme quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) 2016-08-29T20:16:54Z dim: which is perfect, thanks 2016-08-29T20:19:45Z zacharias joined #lisp 2016-08-29T20:20:50Z knicklux quit (Quit: Leaving) 2016-08-29T20:22:07Z k3rn31 joined #lisp 2016-08-29T20:29:01Z PuercoPop: jasom: PR sent. TIL about the >>> JS operator, couldn't find a CL counter part 2016-08-29T20:29:01Z minion: PuercoPop, memo from jasom: I'm fine editing html; honestly whomever is going to do the work can pick any format they choose, from my point of view. 2016-08-29T20:29:40Z jasom: PuercoPop: thanks 2016-08-29T20:30:07Z loke`` joined #lisp 2016-08-29T20:30:42Z arrsim joined #lisp 2016-08-29T20:31:25Z loke` quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2016-08-29T20:32:29Z Davidbrcz quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2016-08-29T20:32:53Z dim: Uploading pgloader_3.3.1+dfsg-1.dsc: done. 2016-08-29T20:33:17Z AlphaAtom quit (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) 2016-08-29T20:33:52Z mathi_aihtam joined #lisp 2016-08-29T20:34:00Z jasom: PuercoPop: unsigned right-shift doesn't have an equivalent because lisp can represent unboundedly large unsigned values; the equivalent would be something like (ash (lognot x) ...) 2016-08-29T20:34:20Z jasom: or rather (ash (lognot x) ...) 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PS generates the << or >> appropriately from ash for example 2016-08-29T20:36:11Z jasom: right, ps needs an >>> 2016-08-29T20:36:23Z jasom: or uash (unsigned ashift) 2016-08-29T20:36:59Z dim: https://github.com/dimitri/ql-to-deb/commit/c3e0c56ee8e46c188ea80d9df1c1ae20f840c0f9 2016-08-29T20:39:21Z PuercoPop: jasom: it doesn't *need* it, it just happned that the documentation I updated mentioned it but I couldn't find a current equivalent for it 2016-08-29T20:40:04Z grimsley quit (Quit: Leaving) 2016-08-29T20:40:27Z jasom: I think if PS is going to have numbers be javascript numbers a >>> should be available 2016-08-29T20:40:34Z jasom: perhaps I'll add it this weekend. 2016-08-29T20:40:37Z rszeno left #lisp 2016-08-29T20:41:35Z benny joined #lisp 2016-08-29T20:41:59Z benny is now known as Guest33183 2016-08-29T20:43:15Z PuercoPop: jasom: there is some code in non-cl.lisp and special-operators.lisp that deal with >>> but I haven't read in detail to see what they is the purpose 2016-08-29T20:43:16Z sellout-1 quit (Quit: Leaving.) 2016-08-29T20:46:15Z Guest33183 is now known as benny 2016-08-29T20:47:10Z xaotuk joined #lisp 2016-08-29T20:53:45Z sellout- joined #lisp 2016-08-29T20:53:57Z tax quit (Quit: Leaving) 2016-08-29T20:54:14Z scymtym joined #lisp 2016-08-29T20:55:52Z SumoSudo quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2016-08-29T20:57:28Z White_Flame: I would think the CL equivalent of JS >>> would be (ash (longand num #xffffffff) -1). 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The file just contains one line (but I want to pretend I don't know that). I can read that line using `read-line`, which gives me a string that looks right and has the right length. If instead I call `file-length` on the stream (which I'd then like to feed into `make-string`, for use with `read-sequence`), I get a larger number that I don't 2016-08-29T22:45:17Z pipping: expect. Do I need to set :element-type for `open` to something non-default? 2016-08-29T22:45:42Z DavidGu joined #lisp 2016-08-29T22:47:49Z Xach: pipping: file-length generally returns the number of octets, not the number of characters that would result from decoding the octets. 2016-08-29T22:47:59Z jleija joined #lisp 2016-08-29T22:48:26Z Xach: pipping: I'm not sure offhand how precisely it's specified. 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(of a stream) being a stream that has an element type that is a subtype of type integer" 2016-08-29T23:00:37Z pillton: Someone should insert the hyperlink. 2016-08-29T23:00:49Z pillton: Thanks. 2016-08-29T23:01:18Z Bike: external formats are kind of weird... i don't think integer is itself a valid element type, either 2016-08-29T23:01:41Z pillton: So that example on rosettacode is really wrong then. 2016-08-29T23:02:07Z pillton: An implementation is allowed to implement file-length as (constantly nil). 2016-08-29T23:02:22Z pillton: ...for non binary files. 2016-08-29T23:03:28Z Bike: alexandria's read-stream-content-into-string just read-sequences repeatedly. not unexpected 2016-08-29T23:06:54Z BusFactor1 quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2016-08-29T23:07:43Z jasom: Bike: but any valid element type that is a subtype of integer would be binary. 2016-08-29T23:07:54Z Bike: yes? 2016-08-29T23:08:23Z wildlander quit (Quit: Saliendo) 2016-08-29T23:08:56Z jasom: and any finite recognizable subtype of integer is allowed 2016-08-29T23:09:10Z Bike: are they? 2016-08-29T23:09:28Z jasom: "element-type---a type specifier for recognizable subtype of character; or a type specifier for a finite recognizable subtype of integer; or one of the symbols signed-byte, unsigned-byte, or :default. 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