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2016-08-23T00:34:40Z TruePika: meh, one test for clisp failed
2016-08-23T00:35:03Z TruePika: (STRINGP (WITH-OUTPUT-TO-STRING (S) (DESCRIBE NIL S)))
2016-08-23T00:35:29Z TruePika: that was the only failed test
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2016-08-23T00:35:48Z Bike: that is a weird test to fail
2016-08-23T00:36:09Z TruePika: the correct result is T, but it failed with PARSE-INTEGER: substring "" does not have integer syntax at position 0
2016-08-23T00:36:30Z Bike: even weirder
2016-08-23T00:36:58Z TruePika: or hmmm...maybe I need to check my root certificates
2016-08-23T00:37:10Z TruePika: there's an HTTPS request in the output
2016-08-23T00:37:16Z TruePika: crazy idea, but possible
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2016-08-23T00:37:18Z Bike: what.
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2016-08-23T00:37:36Z TruePika: ";; connecting to \"http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/id-href.map\"...connected...HTTP/1.1 302 Found --> \"https://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/id-href.map\"
2016-08-23T00:37:56Z Bike: for (describe nil s)??
2016-08-23T00:38:15Z TruePika: I have no idea what the harness was doing
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2016-08-23T00:39:45Z TruePika: I'll load up the machine and see what happens if I do it manually
2016-08-23T00:39:53Z TruePika: this might just be harness failure
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2016-08-23T00:40:34Z TruePika: ... ... ... ... ...
2016-08-23T00:40:50Z TruePika: or wait, I know what's going on
2016-08-23T00:40:57Z TruePika: DESCRIBE might have an issue
2016-08-23T00:41:19Z TruePika: let me cp this to a file and throw it on my httpd
2016-08-23T00:42:25Z TruePika: it's going to web resources to get info for DESCRIBE
2016-08-23T00:42:37Z TruePika: http://cdusto.selfip.com/clisp-wtf.txt
2016-08-23T00:43:15Z Bike: oh, is it clisp doing it?
2016-08-23T00:43:52Z TruePika: yeah, probably in DESCRIBE
2016-08-23T00:43:58Z TruePika: yup, DESCRIBE
2016-08-23T00:44:50Z TruePika: eh?
2016-08-23T00:44:52Z TruePika: ;; connecting to "http://clisp.cons.orghttps://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/id-href.map"...
2016-08-23T00:45:05Z TruePika: that seems wrong
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2016-08-23T00:48:52Z TruePika: meh, I'll install anyway
2016-08-23T00:49:06Z TruePika: or at least use it to bootstrap SBCL
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2016-08-23T03:09:47Z beach: Good morning everyone!
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2016-08-23T03:16:44Z pillton: G'day beach.
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2016-08-23T04:57:20Z Bike: beach: somewhat asinine semantics question: as far as i can tell, CL semantics mean that an ftype like (function * (values integer cons)) actually means "might return two values, but maybe arbitrarily many more, who knows" which to me seems kind of silly, and inhibits anything but unknown values returns, unless you specify &rest nil. do you have an opinion?
2016-08-23T04:58:34Z beach: Bike: No opinion really.
2016-08-23T04:58:41Z Bike: alright.
2016-08-23T04:58:45Z beach: Function types are somewhat mysterious to me.
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2016-08-23T05:17:03Z pillton: Mysterious?
2016-08-23T05:17:25Z Bike: they are kind of mystery-inducing
2016-08-23T05:19:43Z pillton wants lexical types.
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2016-08-23T07:50:12Z otwieracz: Hello.
2016-08-23T07:51:12Z otwieracz: I am trying to produce binary with (save-lisp-and-die) in SBCL - and it seems like resulting binary is complying about lack of libssl.so.1.0.1 for cl+ssl.
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2016-08-23T07:52:02Z otwieracz: And the problem is that cl+ssl defines CFFI library with number of different :or clauses (libssl.so.1.0.2, 1.0.1, etc) - however, resulting binary is looking only for the file name found on the host I am building on.
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2016-08-23T07:53:05Z otwieracz: I *feel* like it's valid and there's no other way to do this - but one concern I have is that $ ldd does not show any linkage between my binary and libssl.
2016-08-23T07:53:28Z otwieracz: So there's no standard shared library link - this .so must be loaded at the runtime.
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2016-08-23T08:07:21Z easye: fiddlerwoaroof: RE: Swagger contracts from Common Lisp: yeah, writing a macro that allows one to declare the the inputs/outputs is the current strategy.  Thanks for the advice.
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2016-08-23T08:51:33Z TMA: otwieracz: the problem you are facing is that while the cl+ssl is looking for several libraries, the image is not -- because the library was already chosen before (save-lisp-and-die) invocation
2016-08-23T08:51:54Z otwieracz: Is there any workaround possible?
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2016-08-23T08:54:28Z TMA: otwieracz: you need to force the lookup in the resulting binary. either you invoke it in the function you are calling as the entrypoint, or _perhaps_ some trickery with load-time-value might help. however, you need to read on save-lisp-and-die vs. load-time-value interaction, I am not sure it'll work that way
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2016-08-23T13:55:07Z grc: Is there a way of discovering if a file on disk is an executable image?  I've found probe-file to determine existence but would like to go further.  I'm using SBCL if that's relevant.
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2016-08-23T13:56:31Z oGMo: osicat?
2016-08-23T13:57:11Z oGMo: i'm not sure if there's something that checks for "executable on this platform"
2016-08-23T13:58:10Z Xach: grc: there isn't a standard way
2016-08-23T13:58:29Z JuanDaugherty: it is relevant, there is surely a telltale byte sequence in an sbcl image
2016-08-23T13:58:30Z Xach: grc: you could stat the file and check for +x
2016-08-23T13:58:36Z JuanDaugherty: prolly in the first few bytes
2016-08-23T13:59:11Z JuanDaugherty: if you meant a general file in a general OS, it gets complicated
2016-08-23T13:59:29Z Xach: You could combine checking the mode with checking the magic
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2016-08-23T14:06:53Z JuanDaugherty: first four bytes apparently
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2016-08-23T14:11:39Z joshe: you can detect an ELF file by looking at the first four bytes
2016-08-23T14:11:55Z joshe: but not all ELF files are executables and not all executables are ELF files
2016-08-23T14:12:31Z joshe: and then there's Mach-O and ECOFF
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2016-08-23T14:13:31Z JuanDaugherty: well an sbcl only becomes executable by setting os specific attributes, LCBS are the first four bytes
2016-08-23T14:13:46Z JuanDaugherty: *sbcl image
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2016-08-23T16:04:17Z beach: Good evening everyone!
2016-08-23T16:04:54Z JuanDaugherty: yello beach
2016-08-23T16:07:25Z phoe: I always read this as "Good news everyone!".
2016-08-23T16:11:25Z JuanDaugherty: illogical. A report of said news would then be expected.
2016-08-23T16:12:16Z JuanDaugherty: a salutation calls for a counter salution, normally the same one
2016-08-23T16:12:32Z JuanDaugherty: *counter-salutation
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2016-08-23T16:14:14Z jdz: I think that's a reference to Futurama.
2016-08-23T16:14:20Z jdz: (A good one at that.)
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2016-08-23T16:16:18Z JuanDaugherty: ah, I never or forgot
2016-08-23T16:16:32Z JuanDaugherty: something with poorly drawn robots iirc
2016-08-23T16:16:55Z JuanDaugherty: s/poorly/crudely/
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2016-08-23T16:23:36Z fe[nl]ix: hi beach :)
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2016-08-23T17:19:53Z TruePika: meh, I want to build sbcl docs, but I seem to lack TeX <_<
2016-08-23T17:20:04Z TruePika: (meanwhile, build and tests all passed)
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2016-08-23T17:20:55Z TruePika: or hmm
2016-08-23T17:21:02Z TruePika: this appears to _just_ be the SBCL manual
2016-08-23T17:21:12Z TruePika: which I don't need to install
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2016-08-23T17:22:39Z TruePika: time to install quicklisp
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2016-08-23T17:24:18Z TruePika: now to get buildapp
2016-08-23T17:25:40Z TruePika: wow, I never configured PuTTY (on this machine) properly, I'm needing to HJKL in Vim
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2016-08-23T17:37:48Z TruePika: and now I can't get buildapp to work, it appears <_<
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2016-08-23T17:38:09Z fiddlerwoaroof: hjkl is the one true way :)
2016-08-23T17:38:17Z TruePika: $ buildapp --output apps --load root-lisp-source.lisp --dispatched-entry foo/main-foo --dispatched-entry bar/main-bar
2016-08-23T17:38:27Z TruePika: no binary outputted at all
2016-08-23T17:38:34Z fiddlerwoaroof: I've run into some quirks with buildapp before
2016-08-23T17:38:51Z TruePika: well I can't give cron access to Quicklisp
2016-08-23T17:39:10Z fiddlerwoaroof: One thing is that you might have to explicitly load quicklisp's setup.lisp
2016-08-23T17:39:14Z TruePika: I'll check --logfile
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2016-08-23T17:39:31Z fiddlerwoaroof: Hmm, that's a good point
2016-08-23T17:39:32Z TruePika: "explicitly load" via --load or (load (merge-pathnames ...))?
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2016-08-23T17:39:49Z TruePika: ...
2016-08-23T17:39:54Z fiddlerwoaroof: Hmm, I switched the project I was thinking of from buildapp to clon
2016-08-23T17:39:58Z TruePika: it didn't make a log
2016-08-23T17:40:04Z fiddlerwoaroof: yeah with --load on the command line
2016-08-23T17:40:18Z fiddlerwoaroof: But, now that I'm thinking about it, I might be wrong
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2016-08-23T17:40:54Z fiddlerwoaroof: You might try using save-lisp-and-die directly
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2016-08-23T17:41:25Z fiddlerwoaroof: start sbcl, load your system and then do something like (save-lisp-and-die "my-executable" :executable t :toplevel #'my-function)
2016-08-23T17:41:43Z TruePika: that doesn't help much with dispatched entries, though
2016-08-23T17:41:55Z fiddlerwoaroof: Yeah, I was just thinking of it as a sanity check
2016-08-23T17:42:23Z fiddlerwoaroof: Here's a project that uses the dispatching: https://github.com/fiddlerwoaroof/uclip
2016-08-23T17:42:41Z fiddlerwoaroof: The buildapp command in the README was the result of some experimentation
2016-08-23T17:43:02Z fiddlerwoaroof: It _might_ not be optimal
2016-08-23T17:43:12Z TruePika: hmm...I just found an issue...which is odd
2016-08-23T17:43:18Z mordocai has been using roswell script running for cron jobs.
2016-08-23T17:43:26Z TruePika: this should be trying to access a file (accidentially) that doesn't exist
2016-08-23T17:43:49Z TruePika: the default for :if-does-not-exist with :direction :input is :error, right?
2016-08-23T17:44:15Z fiddlerwoaroof: clhs open
2016-08-23T17:44:15Z specbot: http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_open.htm
2016-08-23T17:45:04Z fiddlerwoaroof: I think the default is to return nil
2016-08-23T17:45:12Z fiddlerwoaroof: nevermind
2016-08-23T17:45:16Z fiddlerwoaroof: you're right
2016-08-23T17:45:40Z fiddlerwoaroof: "The default is :error if direction is :input or if-exists is :overwrite or :append; :create if direction is :output or :io, and if-exists is neither :overwrite nor :append; or nil when direction is :probe"
2016-08-23T17:45:41Z TruePika: okay, now I think quicklisp might have an issue, let me go remove my silent load params
2016-08-23T17:46:53Z TruePika: cl-libxml2 is taking a while to load
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2016-08-23T17:47:20Z TruePika: ...I _do_ have libxml2 on this box, right?
2016-08-23T17:47:34Z TruePika: yeah, this is making progress
2016-08-23T17:47:39Z TruePika: probably compiling
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2016-08-23T17:48:06Z TruePika: ah yes, I didn't have any of the packages on here already, so it needs to DL+compile them
2016-08-23T17:48:52Z TruePika: maybe that is related to the buildapp failures, since it quit a lot faster than this compiliation takes
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2016-08-23T17:55:02Z TruePika: save-lisp-and-die worked aside from the whole "invalid number of arguments" when launching the binary
2016-08-23T17:55:28Z TruePika: (since the function expected an argv, which toplevel doesn't pass)
2016-08-23T17:55:46Z fiddlerwoaroof: Yeah, save-lisp-and-die expects that the toplevel function gets command line args from something like sb-ext:argv
2016-08-23T17:56:06Z fiddlerwoaroof: sb-ext:*posix-argv*
2016-08-23T17:56:09Z fiddlerwoaroof: taht is
2016-08-23T17:56:22Z TruePika: buildapp is exiting with 1, just checked and confirmed
2016-08-23T17:56:27Z TruePika: so it knows there's a problem
2016-08-23T17:56:51Z warweasle: Would it be hard to add code pruning to save-lisp-and-die?
2016-08-23T17:57:05Z fiddlerwoaroof: does that mean Treeshaking?
2016-08-23T17:57:15Z fiddlerwoaroof: There are snippets floating around for that
2016-08-23T17:57:33Z fiddlerwoaroof: https://gist.github.com/burtonsamograd/f08f561264ff94391300
2016-08-23T17:58:05Z fiddlerwoaroof: I tried that once on a program I was working on, the output didn't work very well
2016-08-23T17:58:26Z fiddlerwoaroof: I think it was because I was dispatching on symbols that weren't directly referenced anywhere
2016-08-23T17:58:34Z fiddlerwoaroof: so the gc didn't know to hold on to them
2016-08-23T17:58:37Z Xach: TruePika: when i use buildapp with quicklisp, i have my project build itself twice - once to fetch the deps and dump the system manifest, once to use that manifest to build the final executable.
2016-08-23T17:58:51Z Xach: TruePika: not all that efficient, but it gets the right stuff available
2016-08-23T17:58:59Z TruePika: meh, so I guess no multibinary for me for now
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2016-08-23T17:59:17Z fiddlerwoaroof: You could do the multicall stuff manually
2016-08-23T17:59:24Z warweasle: Xach: Ahhh...That's cool. I might can use it for work then.,
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2016-08-23T17:59:41Z TruePika: hm, another reason why I'll be using clisp for REPL on here; I don't have rlwrap
2016-08-23T17:59:41Z Xach: I use multibinary with buildapp from time to time.
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2016-08-23T18:01:16Z fiddlerwoaroof: TruePika: I really like this https://www.lrde.epita.fr/~didier/software/lisp/clon.php
2016-08-23T18:01:43Z fiddlerwoaroof: It generates nicely formattable --help text for you too
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2016-08-23T18:02:13Z fiddlerwoaroof: And you can make a configuration file to give all the --help texts a consistent format
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2016-08-23T18:04:18Z TruePika: wow why the heck are my warning suppressions not working?
2016-08-23T18:05:09Z TruePika: console is full of HTML parser errors, despite ((libxml2.tree:libxml2-warning #'muffle-warning))
2016-08-23T18:05:41Z TruePika: (these aren't actual errors, as in ERROR)
2016-08-23T18:06:17Z TruePika: I've only seen this happen before when libxml is worked with through the non-main thread...but this is a singlethreaded app
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2016-08-23T18:06:25Z TruePika: maybe the saved image broke something
2016-08-23T18:07:26Z TruePika: a good question is why nobody generates nicely-formatted HTML anymore
2016-08-23T18:09:07Z TruePika: uh oh I forgot I'm not en-us.UTF8
2016-08-23T18:13:39Z TruePika: hm, this function isn't working for some odd reason
2016-08-23T18:13:58Z TruePika: time to try at REPL
2016-08-23T18:16:27Z TruePika: Okay, I didn't do something stupid like forget to actually save the datafile, right?
2016-08-23T18:16:43Z pjb: TruePika: because they assume css.
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2016-08-23T18:17:24Z rick-monster: Hi there - I've built a performance-oriented midi sequencer using ccl.  It interfaces to various different USB serial devices, e.g midi-usb dongle, outboard embedded DSP.  Aiming to eventually deploy the sequencer to a screenless embedded device.  I would love to make it so that you can 'hot-plug' USB devices in & out of the sequencer while it runs...
2016-08-23T18:17:41Z TruePika: ...okay, I did something stupid
2016-08-23T18:19:13Z rick-monster: *however* when reading raw-bytes from a device like /dev/midi4, if I yank the usb cable ccl seems to totally die (slime goes unresponsive without dropping into the lisp debugger).  Is there any way to catch this exceptional condition without pulling down the lisp image?
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2016-08-23T18:19:18Z pjb: rick-monster: sounds interesting.  What about network midi?
2016-08-23T18:19:37Z TruePika: rick-monster: that sounds like waiting for data that won't arrive, IMO
2016-08-23T18:19:41Z pjb: rick-monster: you would have to perform non-blocking I/O.
2016-08-23T18:19:53Z pjb: Perhaps there are also specific ioctl on /dev/midi?
2016-08-23T18:19:57Z pjb: rick-monster: consider using iolib.
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2016-08-23T18:24:22Z rick-monster: TruePika - yeah each device gets it's own thread that sits there blocking on read.  When the device 'disappears', lisp explodes...
2016-08-23T18:24:42Z rick-monster: pjb - thanks I will look into iolib
2016-08-23T18:24:59Z pjb: rick-monster: it doesn't explode, there is just no non-blocking binary I/O in the CL package.
2016-08-23T18:25:16Z pjb: You have LISTEN and READ-CHAR-NO-HANG, but they're for text steams, not for binary streams.
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2016-08-23T18:25:39Z TruePika: pjb: can they not be used for (unsigned-byte 8)?
2016-08-23T18:26:01Z pjb: not conformingly at least.
2016-08-23T18:26:20Z pjb: Implementations may provide more I/O primitives, or extensions.
2016-08-23T18:26:24Z TruePika now has the issue of dealing with Unicode when the env doesn't support Unicode
2016-08-23T18:26:26Z pjb: But iolib will be more portablee.
2016-08-23T18:26:36Z pjb: TruePika: babel
2016-08-23T18:26:55Z TruePika: no, not like that
2016-08-23T18:26:59Z TruePika: I need to fix the env
2016-08-23T18:27:11Z TruePika: well, I've needed to fix the env for a long time
2016-08-23T18:27:50Z TruePika: the main issue is that I frequently use the machine itself from the physical terminal, i.e. the builtin 80x25, which ofc doesn't support Unicode
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2016-08-23T18:28:26Z pjb: With emacs, you can still support unicode on an ascii terminal. There are various ways of mapping.
2016-08-23T18:28:56Z TruePika: this has nothing to do with emacs or Lisp or anything except for the character mapping stuff outside Lisp
2016-08-23T18:29:31Z pjb: unix doesn't care. You just have to set the LC_* variables, eg. export LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8, and that's it.
2016-08-23T18:29:32Z TruePika: (also Vim somewhat supports unicode on non-unicode terms)
2016-08-23T18:30:04Z TruePika: LC_ALL, not LANG?
2016-08-23T18:30:13Z TruePika: I've always used LANG
2016-08-23T18:30:21Z TruePika: what's the main difference?
2016-08-23T18:30:51Z pjb: priority.
2016-08-23T18:31:11Z pjb: LC_ALL is most prioritary. If set, the others are not looked.
2016-08-23T18:31:22Z pjb: then the various LC_* vars.  Then LANG, as a default.
2016-08-23T18:31:39Z TruePika: that might explain why I can't always use LANG
2016-08-23T18:31:47Z pjb: Indeed.
2016-08-23T18:31:51Z TruePika: til
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2016-08-23T18:32:51Z TruePika: meanwhile, I have a feeling I shouldn't tell my Lisp-phobic friend (who I wrote this code for >:D) about these issues I had getting it to build to a binary
2016-08-23T18:33:44Z TruePika: I mean, it took three hours to get it to work in my dev environment a couple days ago; it would have taken much longer in C++
2016-08-23T18:33:45Z fiddlerwoaroof: :)
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2016-08-23T18:34:13Z TruePika: it helps that I already have experience with scraping info from HTML (other projects)
2016-08-23T18:34:42Z TruePika: I'd guess about 60% of this is recycled code
2016-08-23T18:34:47Z fiddlerwoaroof: BTW, https://github.com/Shinmera/lquery is really useful for HTML scraping
2016-08-23T18:35:09Z fiddlerwoaroof: And there's no C dependency which makes things smoother
2016-08-23T18:35:17Z TruePika: lol I had a feeling this would happen
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2016-08-23T18:35:32Z TruePika: terminal doesn't actually support Unicode
2016-08-23T18:35:39Z TruePika: (unconfigured PuTTY)
2016-08-23T18:35:48Z TruePika: so now everything looks borked
2016-08-23T18:36:01Z TruePika: nothing a `reset` can't fix, though
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2016-08-23T19:01:26Z Cthulhux: what's the currently working version of libuv for sbcl x64 on windows?
2016-08-23T19:01:41Z Cthulhux: i installed this one: http://dist.libuv.org/dist/v1.9.1/ but it's not found by cl-async
2016-08-23T19:02:19Z fiddlerwoaroof: That works for me on debian
2016-08-23T19:02:31Z Cthulhux: congratulations.
2016-08-23T19:02:40Z fiddlerwoaroof: You might try moving the DLL to the current working directory
2016-08-23T19:02:54Z fiddlerwoaroof: Just to make sure that it's not a configuration error
2016-08-23T19:03:38Z Cthulhux: ah, that works
2016-08-23T19:03:50Z Cthulhux: also, i seem to have to unpack everything including the headers
2016-08-23T19:03:52Z Cthulhux sighs 
2016-08-23T19:03:53Z Cthulhux: thanks
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2016-08-23T19:26:56Z knobo: I have a question about the type system, and how it should be used.
2016-08-23T19:26:59Z knobo: https://gist.github.com/knobo/d42e4528ebf267f69ef59cb419a15a29
2016-08-23T19:27:15Z knobo: Like in my gist here.
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2016-08-23T19:27:33Z knobo: I'm not sure if the typesystem should be used like that.
2016-08-23T19:28:29Z rpg: are you just trying to do that to avoid using CASE because your extensions are strings?
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2016-08-23T19:30:23Z phoe: knobo: ALEXANDRIA:SWITCH
2016-08-23T19:30:31Z phoe: you can supply :TEST #'STRING=
2016-08-23T19:30:34Z phoe: and voilla.
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2016-08-23T19:30:36Z fiddlerwoaroof: or string-case:string-case
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2016-08-23T19:31:19Z phoe: ^
2016-08-23T19:31:21Z fiddlerwoaroof: I think that does some nice optimization for string matching
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2016-08-23T19:31:48Z knobo: It's more about the type-system.
2016-08-23T19:32:36Z fiddlerwoaroof: http://www.discontinuity.info/~pkhuong/string-case.pdf
2016-08-23T19:32:46Z phoe: knobo: what's the question?
2016-08-23T19:32:47Z knobo: for example the predicate function. If I test for "mp3" two different places in my sourcecode, are two tests for "mp3" generated then
2016-08-23T19:33:02Z phoe: generate them once only then
2016-08-23T19:33:23Z phoe: if you need to be able to generate new tests on the fly, make a hashtable check.
2016-08-23T19:33:38Z phoe: if the entry exists, use it; if it doesn't, create it, SETF GETHASH and use it.
2016-08-23T19:34:08Z Bike: knobo: probably twice, but i think it's technically implementation dependent how and when type expansions are done.
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2016-08-23T19:34:44Z Bike: knobo: as others said, this is not a good use of the type system.
2016-08-23T19:35:34Z knobo: right. I had a strange fealing about it.
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2016-08-23T19:38:04Z phoe: knobo: why don't you simply make a more universal predicate?
2016-08-23T19:38:33Z phoe: Basically (defun extension-p (object extension) (search object extension :test #'string-equal)) or something.
2016-08-23T19:39:49Z knobo: phoe: yes, but the question was about the type-system.
2016-08-23T19:40:17Z knobo: I have not explored types that much in lisp.
2016-08-23T19:40:19Z phoe: knobo: well - technically, it works, right?
2016-08-23T19:40:34Z knobo: it works.
2016-08-23T19:40:35Z phoe: Though it's definitely not the intended use for types.
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2016-08-23T19:41:12Z phoe: It'll certainly quirk a few brows and elicit a few wtfs if you decide to use it.
2016-08-23T19:43:22Z Bike: easy to define your own case macro that expands into a cond with search/extension-p calls
2016-08-23T19:44:24Z Bike: the :test is wrong, by the way, and you shouldn't need it, eql is fine
2016-08-23T19:44:42Z Bike: and it'll rate "ogg.mp3" as ogg, but you know that
2016-08-23T19:45:51Z rick-monster: pjb - I'm struggling to see how iolib can be best applied to my problem. Would the general gist be to totally bypass lisp streams, instead using the bare ffi in iolib.syscalls to open, close, read & write bytes to /dev/midi4 (or whatever)?
2016-08-23T19:45:57Z knobo: I'd use alexandria:ends-with-subseq
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2016-08-23T20:12:35Z axion: Xach: Only 2 more failures huh?
2016-08-23T20:12:57Z Xach: axion: things are looking good
2016-08-23T20:14:07Z axion: Great. Actually 1 of them doesn't seem to be any errors, just compiler notes.
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2016-08-23T20:45:55Z phoe: Oh look!
2016-08-23T20:46:02Z phoe: Username phoe on GitHub just freed itself up.
2016-08-23T20:46:07Z phoe grabs
2016-08-23T20:46:45Z mordocai: noice phoe
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2016-08-23T20:47:07Z phoe: :D
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2016-08-23T20:49:22Z Bike: freed itself up by force
2016-08-23T20:51:42Z mordocai: phoe: I just checked twitter's policy because I have to be _mordocai thanks to someone who just sits there not using mordocai. They only remove accounts due to trademark infringement. Now i'm wondering if I can trademark my username.
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2016-08-23T20:53:01Z mordocai: Looks like if I did it through legalzoom it'd cost me roughly $500 to trademark something.
2016-08-23T20:53:16Z mordocai: Though I wonder what I could put my username under that would count as relevant
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2016-08-23T21:05:34Z phoe: Bike: git gc
2016-08-23T21:07:20Z Xach: github gc
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2016-08-23T21:13:25Z sjl: mordocai: I hear the best way to get a squatted twitter username is to go work for twitter
2016-08-23T21:16:09Z Xach: didn't work for gigamonkey
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2016-08-23T21:32:49Z rick-monster: right so thanks pjb for pointing out the image shouldn't explode when /dev/midiX disappears...  In fact I think what was happening was that yanking a USB cable raises some unix signal (possibly hangup), which is somehow getting caught by emacs and handled by killing the inferior lisp
2016-08-23T21:34:07Z rick-monster: if I fire up ccl from a terminal then manually start swank & slime-connect then my problem is solved - hurrah!
2016-08-23T21:40:09Z rick-monster: in fact, my problem seems unique to lisps kicked off with M-x slime.  Can start the lisp manually in a shell buffer without seeing this.  Guess this should qualify as a bug in slime, then...
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2016-08-23T21:55:07Z PuercoPop: rick-monster: consider opening the issue
2016-08-23T21:55:23Z PuercoPop: btw nice work with alsa-seq
2016-08-23T21:59:27Z rick-monster: ha - I've dumped alsa-seq and rewritten the whole thing...
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2016-08-23T22:05:33Z rick-monster: decided it was a lot better to just roll my own midi packetiser by reading bytes off the raw device.  In fact that was absolutely necessary to interface with a looping device called the boomerang pedal, which communicates with the outside world via non-conformist sysex messages.
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2016-08-23T22:30:09Z pjb: rick-monster: you might have to handle unix signals related to I/O with /dev/midi too then.
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2016-08-23T22:32:19Z pjb: mordocai: perhaps @official_mordocai?
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2016-08-23T22:34:00Z PuercoPop: rick-monster: nice
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2016-08-23T22:49:52Z rick-monster: puercopop - actually what would be nice would be to strip back cl-alsaseq to raw-midi, present alsa-midi as a regular lisp binary stream, then provide my midi packetiser/parser as a separate library which reads midi-message objects from any binary stream...
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2016-08-23T22:58:12Z PuercoPop: rick-monster: so a grey-streamfor alsa-midi? That sounds like a good idea
2016-08-23T22:59:56Z rick-monster: yeah - some of the mighty wizards in here walked me through the process when I was writing ceph bindings (cl-rados), so I can look back over that code to remember how it all goes...
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2016-08-23T23:06:48Z rick-monster: I work for Martin, so I was trying to get all his code running portably
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2016-08-23T23:08:24Z rick-monster: another lispy guy we know is actually having a go now and sounds like he's having more luck.  I was getting a bit mangled with my attempts...
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2016-08-23T23:12:34Z PuercoPop: rick-monster: designing sound filters? That seems fun. When I looked to it, it seemed like a good minimal approach to CLIM-like presentations. Seemed useful for Graphs and other UI's
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2016-08-23T23:22:34Z rick-monster: PuercoPop yea - that kind of stuff!  the graphing capabilities of Martin's stack are truly impressive.  I have a bunch of cool realtime audio stuff cooking in here built on jack audio connection kit, and really would love to see martin's graphing stuff integrate into the ccl/sbcl linux stack
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