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2016-08-08T00:21:34Z leupold: Heuy guys, what does it mean if my REPL stops evaluating code after I hit RET in my SLIME?
2016-08-08T00:21:50Z leupold: And how can I fix it?
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2016-08-08T00:23:07Z cromachina: ctrl + c a bunch of times
2016-08-08T00:23:30Z cromachina: probably stuck in a loop
2016-08-08T00:24:24Z leupold: cromachina: that doesn't seem to have worked - I'm justgetting a "comppilation failed" error now
2016-08-08T00:25:02Z cromachina: paste what you entered into the repl here: http://paste.lisp.org/new
2016-08-08T00:25:30Z leupold: Literally all I entered into the REPL was (hello-world)
2016-08-08T00:25:55Z leupold: Which was from another poece of code I tied to evaluyate - the one of the first examples from Practical Common Lisp
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2016-08-08T00:27:56Z cromachina: does hello-world define a function?
2016-08-08T00:29:01Z cromachina: if not, you probably have an error that says 'no function declared for symbol hello-world'
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2016-08-08T00:29:11Z cromachina: or something similar
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2016-08-08T00:30:57Z leupold: Yes, it does - the function is (defun hello-world () (format t "hello, world"))
2016-08-08T00:31:27Z cromachina: did you evaluate that function?
2016-08-08T00:31:45Z leupold: I have an error from the compilation, not sure if it's related, "READ error during COMPILE-FILE: Comma not inside a backquote.
2016-08-08T00:31:51Z leupold: "
2016-08-08T00:31:59Z leupold: How do you mean?
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2016-08-08T00:32:12Z cromachina: trying to figure out what you did
2016-08-08T00:32:24Z cromachina: did you compile the file, evaluate the buffer, evaluate the function?
2016-08-08T00:32:36Z leupold: I think I did - I compiled the file it came from, then typed (hello-world) into the REPL
2016-08-08T00:32:48Z cromachina: is there anything else in the file?
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2016-08-08T00:33:27Z leupold: No, that's all there is
2016-08-08T00:34:36Z cromachina: did you save the file before compiling?
2016-08-08T00:36:13Z cromachina: are your string quotes actually ", or are they stylized quotes like “
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2016-08-08T00:43:33Z Zhivago: Also ensure that you have balanced quotes.
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2016-08-08T07:00:42Z Guest_93837: Allah is doing
2016-08-08T07:00:49Z Guest_93837: sun is not doing Allah is doing
2016-08-08T07:00:55Z Guest_93837: moon is not doing Allah is doing
2016-08-08T07:01:04Z Guest_93837: stars are not doing Allah is doing
2016-08-08T07:01:15Z Guest_93837: planets are not doing Allah is doing
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2016-08-08T07:06:24Z Bike: damned occasionalist spammers
2016-08-08T07:08:56Z shikhin: Haha.
2016-08-08T07:11:33Z edgar-rft: if nobody kicks Guest_93837 Allah will do it
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2016-08-08T07:14:21Z Petit_Dejeuner: Allah is doing
2016-08-08T07:14:48Z Petit_Dejeuner: mods is not doing
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2016-08-08T09:37:52Z JustinHitla: isn't here too many brackets when writing lisp programms ?
2016-08-08T09:38:10Z jdz: nope, just the right amount (if you mean parethesis)
2016-08-08T09:38:16Z jdz: or parenthesis
2016-08-08T09:38:41Z JustinHitla: yes, parenthesis
2016-08-08T09:39:24Z JustinHitla: can you give some example code with as many parenthesis as possible ?
2016-08-08T09:39:25Z jdz: foo(a, b, c(d, e)) has the same number of parenthesis as (foo a b (c d e))
2016-08-08T09:40:49Z JustinHitla: and you are not lost in all those parenthesis ?
2016-08-08T09:41:42Z antoszka: are you not lost in all those parenthesis here: foo(a, b, c(d, e))?
2016-08-08T09:41:48Z jdz: i love them parenthesis
2016-08-08T09:41:59Z antoszka: I have them for breakfast.
2016-08-08T09:42:00Z jdz: let's me work with my code using meaningful units
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2016-08-08T09:42:35Z gko: Too bad parenthesis need "shift" in US keyboards...
2016-08-08T09:42:53Z JustinHitla: why not: foo(a,b,c(d,e))
2016-08-08T09:42:55Z jdz: you know you can re-map keys, right?
2016-08-08T09:42:57Z JustinHitla: why so many spaces ?
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2016-08-08T09:44:18Z gko: yeah...
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2016-08-08T09:45:51Z JustinHitla: do you think they use any lisp at deep learning ?
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2016-08-08T09:47:37Z flip214: why so many commas? ...
2016-08-08T09:47:38Z m00natic: Yann LeCun is author of a lisp http://yann.lecun.com/ex/research/ especially for NNs
2016-08-08T09:48:00Z flip214: btw, a space is cheaper to print than a comma ;)
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2016-08-08T10:15:19Z JustinHitla: m00natic: what is NNs ?
2016-08-08T10:15:19Z malice`: JustinHitla: the half of the key to not get lost in parenthesis is to know why they are there
2016-08-08T10:15:34Z malice`: second half is having sane code style
2016-08-08T10:15:38Z malice`: and same applies to other languages
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2016-08-08T10:16:01Z malice`: JustinHitla: I believe Neural Networks?
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2016-08-08T10:33:38Z chenyu: flip214: That is quiet reasonable!
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2016-08-08T10:34:07Z edgar-rft got lost in parentheses long time ago but he feels quite comfortable there
2016-08-08T10:36:25Z chenyu thinks edgar-rft's brain got the ability to process parenthese blocks instinctively.
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2016-08-08T15:42:03Z jackdaniel: what parentheses?
2016-08-08T15:42:06Z jackdaniel: :)
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2016-08-08T15:49:39Z b3atr: hey guys, I found a good solution to SBCL not supporting readline:
2016-08-08T15:49:46Z b3atr: https://github.com/hanslub42/rlwrap
2016-08-08T15:49:59Z b3atr: >> rlwrap sbcl
2016-08-08T15:50:04Z b3atr: have fun
2016-08-08T15:51:27Z Xach: I think most people here use sbcl via slime.
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2016-08-08T15:58:35Z foom: I've been using rlwrap sbcl for a decade or so.
2016-08-08T15:58:44Z foom: never got around to slime. :)
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2016-08-08T15:59:19Z Xach: exceptional in the original sense
2016-08-08T15:59:21Z dwchandler: I use slime, but sometimes I plink around in the repl, too. sbcl + linedit works fine for me
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2016-08-08T16:25:24Z morti: hello, i've got a question on variables (maybe special variables). I have a "world" with a var in it. I have a function, that uses that var.  I want to have the function to "see" the var, even when the function isnt defined in the world.. see: this is working http://paste.ofcode.org/39y6c5qcxZzTabKNA9f7tk6
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2016-08-08T16:25:44Z morti: but i want to have the definition outside the "my-world"
2016-08-08T16:25:47Z morti: is that possible?
2016-08-08T16:27:17Z morti: i want to have it like so: http://paste.ofcode.org/CPSxN8yMdTH4bgXHUcyrvx
2016-08-08T16:27:55Z morti: maybe no let, but what else? when I use defparameter, the var gets defined globally, so one can use it without beeing in "world"
2016-08-08T16:27:55Z pierpa: you want a special variable
2016-08-08T16:28:35Z pierpa: (let ((w 4)) (declare (special w)))
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2016-08-08T16:29:16Z morti: pierpa: nice thx. that was easy :-)
2016-08-08T16:29:23Z pierpa: indeed
2016-08-08T16:29:34Z morti: i am going to read of "declare" and "special" a bit. any suggestions?
2016-08-08T16:29:51Z pierpa: hmmm
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2016-08-08T16:30:03Z pierpa: read a CL book from the start?
2016-08-08T16:30:08Z morti: ^^
2016-08-08T16:30:37Z morti: which would you recommend?
2016-08-08T16:30:41Z morti: one of the old ones?
2016-08-08T16:31:02Z pierpa: how much programming do you know?
2016-08-08T16:31:19Z morti: like "paip" or "on lisp"
2016-08-08T16:31:47Z morti: i'm not a newb, if i can say so
2016-08-08T16:31:56Z pierpa: if you already know hoe to program then PAIP is one of the best
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2016-08-08T16:32:43Z Grue``: holy shit, "rlwrap sbcl" is genius
2016-08-08T16:33:00Z morti: ok i've got that already, but went only 50 pages in or so
2016-08-08T16:33:26Z pierpa: for a shorter, lighter introductio then maybe ACL by Graham
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2016-08-08T16:34:27Z morti: ah thx, I'll also look into that.
2016-08-08T16:34:55Z Grue``: morti: make sure to use *earmuffs* to mark your special variables, e.g. (let ((*w* 4)) ...)
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2016-08-08T16:35:50Z pierpa: morti: google finds pdfs for ACL. Not sure if they are legal or bootlegged though
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2016-08-08T16:36:36Z morti: Grue``: yeah thx, I'll do :-)
2016-08-08T16:37:07Z morti: pierpa: yeah found it as a PDF. If I like it, I'll buy it as a real book, though
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2016-08-08T16:44:07Z morti: maybe you can help me further. I want to use this special var, because I am implementing an AI, that operates on the "world". almost every function uses the world, so i found it annoying, to always put "world" in the function declaration (also some functions change the world with a setf). But I dont want it global, so I can start more instances of worlds (necessary for AI)
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2016-08-08T16:44:46Z pierpa: I'd pass the world around
2016-08-08T16:44:54Z morti: my question: Is that a reasonable approach?
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2016-08-08T16:45:14Z pierpa: no, it's not reasonable
2016-08-08T16:45:34Z morti: pierpa: passing around meaning always create a new world with the changed things and return that?
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2016-08-08T16:45:58Z pierpa: yes
2016-08-08T16:46:17Z pierpa: (think about concurrency)
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2016-08-08T16:47:56Z morti: hmm I thought, my approach would allow that. I can, from my "main", invoke "my-world" function many times with different parameters, and in there the functions operate on their own world
2016-08-08T16:48:49Z pierpa: the example that you pasted uses one global variable
2016-08-08T16:49:01Z morti: I paste another one
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2016-08-08T16:51:47Z morti: http://paste.ofcode.org/FNX9SvDhZM3PpbUDdwav8p in "main", two instances of the AI-alg are started, and afterwards compared.
2016-08-08T16:52:08Z morti: couldn't those two instances run in parallel?
2016-08-08T16:55:01Z pierpa: probably yes, even if all this is implementation dependent
2016-08-08T16:56:47Z morti: but you wouldn't recommend it? I mean, if the world is huge, wouldn't it be more efficient to alter the world? or can that purely functional approach be optimised well?
2016-08-08T16:57:58Z pierpa: you can pass the world around and alter it destructively, if that fits your application.
2016-08-08T16:58:34Z pierpa: using specials in the way you propose leads to muddy system, IMHO
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2016-08-08T17:00:04Z Petit_Dejeuner: There's probably a third party library like Racket's paramterize. https://docs.racket-lang.org/reference/parameters.html
2016-08-08T17:00:55Z morti: hm but even if i am altering it destructively, one copy remains, when it gets hand over to the function, that alters the world
2016-08-08T17:02:00Z pierpa: if you mutate things you must take care to avoid the usual problems that mutation brings
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2016-08-08T17:04:54Z pierpa: In the programs stuidied in PAIP this situation occurs constantly. Look at how Norvig handles it.
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2016-08-08T17:07:56Z morti: pierpa: okay thank you very much for your effort. I'll read more :-)
2016-08-08T17:08:33Z morti: btw I like this IRC channel, one gets valuable help !
2016-08-08T17:08:43Z Grue``: what is even the question? in the example code the "world" is a number. it's not even mutable
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2016-08-08T17:17:32Z pierpa: in the example, we don't know how's represented a world. It is what is returned by (MY-WORLD x)
2016-08-08T17:18:35Z pierpa: ah, no wait!  You're right. In the example is a number.
2016-08-08T17:18:48Z pierpa: but that's just an example I guess :)
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2016-08-08T17:23:20Z Grue``: yeah isn't it strange that a function called my-world doesn't even return a world ;)
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2016-08-08T17:24:54Z morti: Grue``: yeah its only a minimal example, were the world is only a number
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2016-08-08T19:32:36Z phoe: Lisp - where, when you need syntactic tools to organize your project, you shrug and write them.
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2016-08-08T19:42:51Z phoe: fourier: I need to split my codebase into two bases. Basically, I'm passing messages that are sexps and that contain objects in their serialized form.
2016-08-08T19:43:32Z phoe: Depending on whether I'm in one object or another, I want the deserializer to only "notice" some objects and actually deserialize them, and ignore the others and leave them in their serialized form.
2016-08-08T19:44:29Z phoe: So I need a way to define these parsers. Let's say, In a sexp in form (a (b c) (d e f) (g h)) I want PARSER-1 to replace (b c) with an instance of object B, and PARSER-2 to replace (g h) with an instance of object G.
2016-08-08T19:45:06Z phoe: Where a, b, ..., h are symbols.
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2016-08-08T19:57:27Z phoe: I want to make an ALEXANDRIA:SWITCH statement of a particular kind.
2016-08-08T19:57:39Z phoe: I have an object, and I want to check whether it's a subclass of a particular class.
2016-08-08T19:58:08Z phoe: So like, (switch (object) (symbol ...) (cons ...) (array ...))
2016-08-08T19:58:36Z phoe: I need to provide some sort of :TEST to it, but I don't yet know a function that would satisfy this. Does Lisp provide something that would work in this case?
2016-08-08T19:59:06Z phoe: TYPECASE!@
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2016-08-08T20:00:19Z Bike: or generic functions, obvs.
2016-08-08T20:00:25Z fourier: +1 to Bike
2016-08-08T20:00:37Z Bike: not that typecase isn't good for plenty of things.
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2016-08-08T20:00:49Z fourier: generic functions in CL or virtual functions in other languages
2016-08-08T20:01:32Z phoe: Generic functions... I think they can do, too.
2016-08-08T20:01:45Z phoe: Well.
2016-08-08T20:01:54Z phoe: They'll make the code go where it belongs to.
2016-08-08T20:01:58Z phoe: Generic functions it is.
2016-08-08T20:02:09Z Bike: the difference, of course, is that you can define more 'cases' for a gf whenever and wherever you want, whereas typecase is pretty static.
2016-08-08T20:02:55Z fourier: Bike: generic functions make code more clean as well since the dispatch is done for you already by the CLOS
2016-08-08T20:03:31Z Bike: oh, i suppose typecase is probably faster too, not that it matters much
2016-08-08T20:04:58Z fourier: Bike: probably depending on CLOS implementation
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2016-08-08T20:09:49Z Petit_Dejeuner: I know I can trace functions, but is there some way I could trace a variable?
2016-08-08T20:09:55Z Petit_Dejeuner: See all changes to it over time?
2016-08-08T20:10:36Z Petit_Dejeuner: Besides print statements.
2016-08-08T20:11:13Z fourier: Petit_Dejeuner: I believe if the variable is the slot in the class, just define custom accessors with necessary logging
2016-08-08T20:11:40Z Petit_Dejeuner: I'm thinking of local variables in a function. Basically a way to avoid having to stick print statements in and out to observe the state of a variable.
2016-08-08T20:11:48Z Bike: tracing a variable would be an implementation extension, and i don't think any of them have it
2016-08-08T20:11:54Z fourier: Petit_Dejeuner: run with the stepper
2016-08-08T20:12:26Z phoe: Petit_Dejeuner: welp. This is a thing many have approached and there's no global solution.
2016-08-08T20:12:45Z phoe: Local variables tend to get optimized away frequently so there's nothing to trace. Even at DEBUG 3 there tends to be nothing to trace.
2016-08-08T20:12:46Z fourier: Petit_Dejeuner: like this: http://www.informatimago.com/develop/lisp/doc/com.informatimago.common-lisp.lisp.stepper.html
2016-08-08T20:13:22Z fourier: I personally develop with LW and use its stepper which helps A LOT
2016-08-08T20:14:34Z Petit_Dejeuner: SBCL seems to have a stepper, so I'll try that. Thanks for the help.
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2016-08-08T20:17:09Z fourier: Petit_Dejeuner: STEP is the part of the standard, every implementation has to provide it. The difference is the how well the particular implementation implements it.
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2016-08-08T20:53:23Z ndo: are there separate channels for CL/Scheme or is this one fine?
2016-08-08T20:53:43Z godaccess: There are separate channels.
2016-08-08T20:53:50Z godaccess: But you can discuss them both here, I guess.
2016-08-08T20:54:07Z Bike: no, scheme is off topic here.
2016-08-08T20:54:58Z ndo: ok i see the header, and/or the topic, what its called :)
2016-08-08T20:55:33Z PuercoPop: for talking about lisp as the family of languages there is ##lisp
2016-08-08T20:57:18Z mordocai: Where no one hangs out...
2016-08-08T20:57:36Z phoe: There's also #lispcafe
2016-08-08T20:57:59Z mordocai: I forgot about that one!
2016-08-08T20:58:05Z ndo: hmm
2016-08-08T20:58:11Z ndo: :)
2016-08-08T20:58:31Z phoe: a pretty peaceful place now that we've got rid of a certain soviet nazi vehicle that used to stay there and fart.
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2016-08-08T20:59:22Z dwchandler: Hmm. I may have to try #lispcafe again. It was either dead of full of that kind of crapola
2016-08-08T20:59:28Z ndo: uh uh, soviet nazi vehicle?
2016-08-08T20:59:35Z phoe: yes, or snv for short.
2016-08-08T20:59:55Z prxq: that was quite a while ago
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2016-08-08T21:00:05Z phoe: prxq: yes, and #lispcafe has been a friendly place since then.
2016-08-08T21:00:10Z phoe: but I still remember.
2016-08-08T21:00:19Z prxq: oh yes
2016-08-08T21:01:07Z dwchandler: just checked logs. that was exactly when I last tried #lispcafe
2016-08-08T21:01:33Z dwchandler: snv complaining about being banned here is within the first few lines
2016-08-08T21:02:06Z prxq: i think a long time passed before he was banned from #lispcafe
2016-08-08T21:02:25Z ndo: i guess im already learning some lisp community history :D
2016-08-08T21:04:04Z ndo: hm interesting roughly the same amount of people on archlinux and here :D
2016-08-08T21:04:14Z PuercoPop: mordocai: there are fewer people there but more than enough. Maybe less people are interested in discussing lisp languages in general?
2016-08-08T21:05:15Z dwchandler: ndo: snv is not important in the history. just an irritating and inflamatory person. most communities suffer from those now and then
2016-08-08T21:05:46Z ndo: i guess right now, i, as a totally new guy, who just discovered lisp, would be ready to fire a first question about namespaces (land of lisp is just so awesome) D
2016-08-08T21:07:22Z ndo: i mean the book
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2016-08-08T21:08:25Z dwchandler: it's a fun book :)
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2016-08-08T21:08:51Z devon: Good afternoon everybody.
2016-08-08T21:09:35Z devon: Know how to get two slime REPLs in one process?
2016-08-08T21:09:39Z ndo: hello (just about to go to sleep) :D
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2016-08-08T21:11:07Z phoe: devon: Well. Umm.
2016-08-08T21:11:19Z phoe: There's this package, slime-mrepl, that does not really work as it should.
2016-08-08T21:11:59Z phoe: But basically, you can runk one more SWANK server in the Lisp, perhaps with a DONT-CLOSE option.
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2016-08-08T21:12:05Z devon: Amazing!  lol, I'll see how well it works.
2016-08-08T21:12:11Z phoe: Or just start SBCL as an alone process.
2016-08-08T21:12:33Z phoe: Inside it, quickload swank and run the server with the DONT-CLOSE option.
2016-08-08T21:12:38Z phoe: And in emacs, slime-connect twice.
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2016-08-08T21:18:54Z devon: I'll have to study the threads docs, what a slog...
2016-08-08T21:22:39Z phoe: devon: um?
2016-08-08T21:22:43Z devon: ;; swank:close-connection: There is no package named "SWANK-MREPL" .
2016-08-08T21:22:43Z phoe: for setting up a double-REPL?
2016-08-08T21:22:51Z phoe: Oh wait.
2016-08-08T21:22:54Z phoe: It's SLIME-MREPL.
2016-08-08T21:23:04Z phoe: The package is just SWANK.
2016-08-08T21:23:43Z phoe: You know what. Open up a terminal, fire up SBCL.
2016-08-08T21:23:47Z phoe: (ql:quickload :swank)
2016-08-08T21:24:07Z phoe: (swank:create-server :port 4006 :dont-close t)
2016-08-08T21:24:20Z phoe: In emacs, M-x slime-connect localhost 4006
2016-08-08T21:24:23Z phoe: Do it twice.
2016-08-08T21:24:28Z phoe: You should have two REPLs now.
2016-08-08T21:24:36Z devon: M-x slime-new-mrepl RET
2016-08-08T21:24:39Z devon: Lisp connection closed unexpectedly: connection broken by remote peer
2016-08-08T21:25:13Z phoe: I'd just ignore MREPL altogether.
2016-08-08T21:25:21Z phoe: I never found it working as it should.
2016-08-08T21:25:40Z devon: lol, I had to try it despite your warning.
2016-08-08T21:27:46Z mordocai: Blu3h4t: Btw, "Common Lisp Recipes" is an excellent book to follow up Practical Common Lisp/Land of Lisp IMO. You just missed a big sale on the ebook, unfortunately.
2016-08-08T21:28:31Z mordocai: Blu3h4t: It also has an excellent section on packages which is what I assume you meant by "namespaces" earlier
2016-08-08T21:29:34Z phoe: mordocai: it's literally the first chapter of the book.
2016-08-08T21:29:44Z mordocai: phoe: yep
2016-08-08T21:29:47Z Blu3h4t: mordocai: thx for suggestion, definately googling cough i mean ddging it :)
2016-08-08T21:29:50Z phoe: Hell, it's perfect when combined with complete idiot's guide to packages in common lisp.
2016-08-08T21:30:19Z devon: phoe: works brilliantly.  Thank you!!
2016-08-08T21:31:36Z Blu3h4t: mordocai: also just ordered eloquent javascript :) (atm somewhere in the middle of land of lisp) :)
2016-08-08T21:32:56Z mordocai: Blu3h4t: You may want to check out Practical Common Lisp http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/ in addition to Land of Lisp. It is free to read online (and you can buy a print version if you want)
2016-08-08T21:32:58Z Blu3h4t: mordocai: is the common lisp recipes something that can be compared to perl cookbook?
2016-08-08T21:33:49Z mordocai: Blu3h4t: I haven't read the perl cookbook but the description seems to match.
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2016-08-08T21:34:41Z Blu3h4t: ah its peters book, very much liked his coders at work
2016-08-08T21:34:47Z Blu3h4t: yep
2016-08-08T21:35:07Z phoe: Behold, the power of double mapcar!
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2016-08-08T21:35:41Z phoe: (mapcar (lambda (x) (mapcar #'kill x))
2016-08-08T21:35:42Z phoe: 	(nconc (n-connections crown) (e-connections crown) (i-connections crown) (gems crown)))
2016-08-08T21:35:55Z phoe: (It's really the first time where I actually did that.)
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2016-08-08T22:05:35Z dwchandler: Blu3h4t: I would say that Practical Common Lisp is a "must read". After Land of Lisp is fine.
2016-08-08T22:06:42Z phoe: ^
2016-08-08T22:07:00Z phoe: I keep on surprising myself over how many use cases for various functions are already there in the Common Lisp standard.
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2016-08-08T22:07:33Z phoe: I ended up thinking of a function that was going to fulfill my needs and, welp, I wanted to check just to be sure if there is such a function. Boom, #'FIND-IF!
2016-08-08T22:07:53Z Bike: if you don't need the results of #'kill, you could do mapc
2016-08-08T22:08:18Z phoe: Bike: yes, thanks, that's correct.
2016-08-08T22:08:23Z phoe: I keep on forgetting about MAPC.
2016-08-08T22:08:37Z phoe: But well, it doesn't cons.
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2016-08-08T22:09:43Z phoe: Okay! Good night, #parens.
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2016-08-08T22:41:33Z kebolio: hello, i am looking for an http library similar to requests in python
2016-08-08T22:42:04Z kebolio: i have found drakma, is this practically the equivalent in terms of popularity/good interface?
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2016-08-08T22:44:55Z mordocai: kebolio: Yeah, drakma is the one i've seen used/recommended.
2016-08-08T22:45:06Z mordocai: It is also what "Common Lisp Recipes" recommends.
2016-08-08T22:47:41Z kebolio: cheers la
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2016-08-08T22:53:57Z Petit_Dejeuner: If I wanted a hash-table with #'string=, I should just use #'equal?
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2016-08-08T22:54:33Z Bike: yeah
2016-08-08T22:54:43Z phoe: ^
2016-08-08T22:55:43Z phoe: There's this package allowing you to declare hashtables that accept an arbitrary function as a test, but I doubt if it has any optimizations.
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2016-08-08T22:56:34Z Petit_Dejeuner: thanks
2016-08-08T22:57:33Z Bike: you can do that in sbcl. you provide a hash function too, of course.
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2016-08-08T23:11:07Z phoe: Bike: yes yes, it's just a compatibility library that works across impls.
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2016-08-08T23:29:47Z Bike: i mean, it "has optimizations" in that it's a normal hash table. iirc sbcl hashtables only special cases eq tests anyway
2016-08-08T23:30:49Z jasom: Bike: no optimizations for eql?
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2016-08-08T23:32:01Z rpg: Bike: I think at least some implementations have optimizations for string tables.
2016-08-08T23:32:04Z Bike: i just know there's a bunch of (if eq-based ...)
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2016-08-08T23:33:09Z jasom: rpg: allegro I believe has string= hash-tables
2016-08-08T23:33:30Z rpg: jasom: that sounds right.
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2016-08-08T23:37:56Z fckfreen1: what's the best lisp flavor to use with sicp?
2016-08-08T23:38:30Z Bike: sicp is scheme, so you might want to ask #scheme. i think racket has a language just to match sicp, though.
2016-08-08T23:38:55Z fckfreen1: thanks
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