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2016-08-04T02:35:46Z akkad: https://gist.github.com/8a37c0612fb8b4a3ea00cca39e83a776 is this the proper format to return the string created?
2016-08-04T02:36:05Z jason_m: yesterday I asked if anybody has deployed a clack application using fastcgi. i have a simple test application working. the test application uses the same basic setup as noted in this article: jany.st/post/2015-12-17-thoughts-on-clack-apache-fastcgi-and-lisp.html
2016-08-04T02:36:46Z jason_m: my real application is having some issues, but once i work through them, i might do a little write-up on what i've learned
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2016-08-04T02:40:02Z jason_m: akkad: it looks like s is a stream, not a string? http://clhs.lisp.se/Body/m_w_in_f.htm
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2016-08-04T02:40:40Z akkad: yeah..
2016-08-04T02:40:59Z akkad: https://gist.github.com/8e8f62e8e63bf30328c52b5bbaee9fec
2016-08-04T02:41:40Z Bike: why are you doing with input from string at all if run-program can already output a string?
2016-08-04T02:41:42Z cromachina: why not just get a stream back from the program and turn off blocking
2016-08-04T02:41:42Z akkad: still no go
2016-08-04T02:42:05Z akkad: using a method I had previously used but was in json
2016-08-04T02:42:14Z Petit_Dejeuner: akkad: The body should be outside of where the stream var 's' is declared, shouldn't it?
2016-08-04T02:42:20Z akkad: good point
2016-08-04T02:42:39Z akkad: outside the wifs block?
2016-08-04T02:43:20Z Petit_Dejeuner: (with-stream-blah-blah (stream-name :keywordoption blah :notherkweyword bloo) (do-stuff) (do-more-stuff s))
2016-08-04T02:43:23Z Petit_Dejeuner: akkad: ^
2016-08-04T02:43:39Z Bike: why is there a with-input-from-string to begin with?
2016-08-04T02:43:49Z jason_m: akkad: what do you want the output to be?  as Bike mentioned, doesn't run-program return a string?
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2016-08-04T02:45:22Z akkad: yeah I'm testing. thanks for the feedback. I need to better understand the code before I can ask questions
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2016-08-04T02:49:32Z akkad: abruptly uiop:run-program is not even working for me
2016-08-04T02:51:03Z cromachina: you could do (uiop:run-program "zcat ..." :output (lambda (stream) read-from-stream-here))
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2016-08-04T02:51:31Z cromachina: https://common-lisp.net/project/asdf/asdf/Some-Utility-Functions.html
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2016-08-04T02:52:47Z akkad: thanks. not sure why (uiop:run-program "/bin/ls") returns nil abruptly
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2016-08-04T02:55:37Z akkad: yeah..
2016-08-04T02:55:48Z akkad: bad indentation had me missing the rest of the clause
2016-08-04T02:56:03Z Bike: with no output it discards the output, it says.
2016-08-04T02:56:06Z akkad: yeah it does a string which is fine
2016-08-04T02:56:19Z akkad: parsing aws vpc logs
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2016-08-04T03:00:02Z cromachina: there are existing compression libraries which will probably make that easier
2016-08-04T03:00:08Z cromachina: http://www.cliki.net/compression
2016-08-04T03:01:54Z akkad: (car (split-sequence:split-sequence #\linefeed (uiop:run-program (format nil "zcat somefile"))))
2016-08-04T03:02:03Z akkad: hehe I moved off those as they were too slow
2016-08-04T03:02:21Z akkad: sbcl was not as bad, but zcat cut the time down significantly
2016-08-04T03:02:37Z akkad: cloudwatch generates thousands of compressed json files
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2016-08-04T03:07:14Z akkad: yeah I'm looking at that too.
2016-08-04T03:07:16Z akkad: thanks
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2016-08-04T04:02:46Z H4ns: sorry
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2016-08-04T06:38:10Z chenghui: exit
2016-08-04T06:38:12Z chenghui: exit
2016-08-04T06:38:13Z chenghui: eixt
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2016-08-04T06:47:11Z ben_vulpes: ah, it figured it out.
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2016-08-04T06:49:48Z mrSpec: Hi! In my system I keep some data in ./data/ directory. I recall some way of informing ASDF(or rather user) about this, from inside .asd file. Do I recall this correctly, or I should simple use comment in my .asd file?
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2016-08-04T06:56:55Z PuercoPop: static-file?
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2016-08-04T06:58:02Z PuercoPop: some people add stuff like the readme and license file to the file description using (:static-file "README.md") in the components. Is that what you want?
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2016-08-04T07:05:54Z mrSpec: PuercoPop: I'll check this out, thanks!
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2016-08-04T10:45:57Z pipping: I wonder if anyone has experience with getting mkcl to work with a version of ASDF that is more recent than the bundled one (reported as 3.0.3.0.2)
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2016-08-04T10:47:46Z pipping: It looks like it must've been quite a task to get ASDF 3.0.3 to work with mkcl, leading to a considerable diff. But maybe that's better these days? I have trouble getting the asdf-tools to work which are supposed to provide the one true upgrade path, yes?
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2016-08-04T11:13:39Z Xach: pipping: I don't know anyone who uses mkcl at all, mostly because they don't seem to chat here or on twitter or elsewhere that I follow
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2016-08-04T11:18:20Z pipping: Xach: Hm. Good point. A look at twitter reveals that it hasn't made it to the list of hot topics in a long time. (I count 3 English mentions of 'mkcl' and 'lisp' by actual people). So it's probably even more of a one-man project than I had already feared.
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2016-08-04T11:20:35Z Xach: What prompted your interest in it?
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2016-08-04T11:22:07Z flip214: mrSpec: http://xach.livejournal.com/294639.html
2016-08-04T11:22:36Z flip214: or https://www.reddit.com/r/lisp/comments/2yo0e7/file_data_loading_and_paths/
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2016-08-04T11:27:08Z pipping: Xach: I've recently started working on testing/improving/extending uiop/run-program. Since mkcl is currently supported (in the sense that the package is riddled with #+mkcl), I'd like to continue that tradition. mkcl lacks a few functions here and there but then sports a few others that ecl doesn't have. But I'm only using it as a testbed. My interest is "the more supported implementations the better"
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2016-08-04T11:34:31Z jackdaniel: pipping: ah, you're Elias, we're chatting on gitlab right now :-)
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2016-08-04T11:34:56Z pipping: jackdaniel: oh, hello :)
2016-08-04T11:35:00Z jackdaniel: Xach: thanks for the invitation! (I may have missed your response on query due to my server fault)
2016-08-04T11:35:43Z jackdaniel: (ext:file-stream-fd stream) is the function to get the file description. It has a serious issue though (as mentioned on gitlab already)
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2016-08-04T11:37:53Z jackdaniel: s/description/descriptor/
2016-08-04T11:39:36Z pipping: jackdaniel: Yes, the complete-meltdown-causing behaviour on streams without file handles is a bit of a problem. I was hoping to be able to check its return value for non-nullness and thus get a "has-fd" predicate. It's good to know anyway that there is such a function. I hadn't managed to find it on my own in the source or through google.
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2016-08-04T11:46:33Z pipping: Xach: Can you comment on whether the clasp community/project is in a better state?
2016-08-04T11:47:06Z jackdaniel: pipping: you may join #clasp
2016-08-04T11:47:09Z jackdaniel: it's active
2016-08-04T11:48:42Z pipping: Great!
2016-08-04T11:49:35Z jackdaniel: mkcl is also developed, you may check on its gitlab
2016-08-04T11:49:44Z jackdaniel: you have best chance to get some info by writing to its mailing list
2016-08-04T11:52:56Z jackdaniel: I'm afk
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2016-08-04T13:55:33Z sjl: is there a function that does the inverse of array-row-major-index?  that takes the row-major index and returns a list of the subscripts you'd use with aref to get that spot
2016-08-04T13:56:01Z sjl: I wrote something to do it but it'd be nice if there were something built-in...
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2016-08-04T14:01:28Z pipping: jackdaniel: thanks for the quick fix!
2016-08-04T14:01:35Z jackdaniel: pipping: sure
2016-08-04T14:01:50Z chenyu: Hello everyone, I'm a beginner. How would you define a function which converts a list to bit vector? (defun list-to-bit-vector (my-list) <TODO>) ?
2016-08-04T14:02:08Z Xach: chenyu: what is in the list? 0 and 1?
2016-08-04T14:02:18Z jackdaniel: chenyu: (coerce '(1 0 1 0 1 1) 'bit-vector)
2016-08-04T14:02:23Z chenyu: Xach: yes
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2016-08-04T14:02:55Z Xach: chenyu: (make-array (length list) :element-type 'bit :initial-contents list) is one way. jackdaniel's way works too.
2016-08-04T14:03:59Z chenyu: Xach, jackdaniel: Thank you a lot! It helps me continue my lisp-koans
2016-08-04T14:04:24Z pipping: jackdaniel: by now I've found that ccl has ccl::stream-device (which unlike ecl's requires a direction to be given as its second argument). it handles streams that aren't backed by files by returning -1.
2016-08-04T14:05:28Z jackdaniel: is there some particular use case you need the stream descriptors for?
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2016-08-04T14:13:54Z pipping: Nope. Sorry, I'm just trying out all the knobs, wheels, and buttons that the lisps I can get to work come with.
2016-08-04T14:16:26Z pipping: jackdaniel: So far ecl is doing pretty well as for the number of skips (=missing features) and errors here: https://gitlab.common-lisp.net/epipping/asdf/commit/04074b583fc06ec57d5643eca9e58be0f194b654
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2016-08-04T14:16:54Z jackdaniel: glad to hear that :)
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2016-08-04T14:20:34Z pipping: The one thing that has me completely puzzled (which is why the corresponding test isn't even included there yet) is how the reported process status changes throughout a simple run-stop-continue sequence. Because either I'm misunderstanding something or not a single lisp that I tried behaves properly.
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2016-08-04T14:23:52Z jackdaniel: if you are referring to your question to ecl-devel
2016-08-04T14:24:01Z jackdaniel: then I may answer your right away
2016-08-04T14:25:38Z pipping: I am. I'm a bit afraid of the answer to be honest because I've already spammed three mailing lists about this (with no reply) and I'm wondering if I'm making a complete fool out of myself. Be gentle ;)
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2016-08-04T14:27:33Z jackdaniel: sorry, I can't (I've checked my assumption regarding the ECL and it's wrong)
2016-08-04T14:28:40Z jackdaniel: if you know C a little you may check how it's implemented in src/c/unixsys.d:242
2016-08-04T14:28:45Z jackdaniel: "ecl_waitpid"
2016-08-04T14:29:30Z jackdaniel: basically on Unix it calls waitpid and checks the filled structure with macros like WIFSTOPPED
2016-08-04T14:29:49Z jackdaniel: so I don't know why it doesn't work for you
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2016-08-04T14:31:45Z pipping: jackdaniel: actually, at a first glance, it makes sense that ECL would never report the process as sleeping, right? Because you'd need to pass WUNTRACED to waitpid for that, no?
2016-08-04T14:33:09Z jackdaniel: I would have to read the manual to agree/disagree with that :)
2016-08-04T14:33:11Z pipping: jackdaniel: if that sentence doesn't make any sense then I'm just misunderstanding the sentence "If the WUNTRACED option is set, children of the current process that are stopped due to a SIGTTIN, SIGTTOU, SIGTSTP, or SIGSTOP signal also have their status reported" from the manpage which I'm now reading for the first time.
2016-08-04T14:33:33Z jackdaniel: sounds correct
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2016-08-04T14:35:33Z pipping: mkcl e.g. uses waitpid(child_pid, &status, WNOHANG|WUNTRACED) in mk_mkcl_process_status()
2016-08-04T14:36:23Z jackdaniel: ecl's call: waitpid(ecl_to_fix(pid), &code_int, Null(wait)? WNOHANG : 0)
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2016-08-04T15:20:22Z pipping: Replacing WNOHANG with WNOHANG|WUNTRACED turns running/running/running/exited into running/stopped/stopped/stopped. better but not correct as far as I can tell. Well, I guess if this was trivial I guess all the implementations would've gotten it right on the first try.
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2016-08-04T15:24:48Z jackdaniel: needless to say, ECL is fully capable to accept the code donations ;-)
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2016-08-04T17:01:44Z Baggers: I feel Im back in newbie teritory with this issue. I have the classic 'can't find core file at /usr//lib/sbcl/sbcl.core' issue. I can export SBCL_HOME and 'fix' the issue, but I'm confused as to why it my SBCL_HOME is set to '/usr//lib/sbcl' when I have left all the install locations as default (and it successfully installed in the default locations). It *could* be stumpwm messing something up though
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2016-08-04T17:11:17Z scymtym: Baggers: (assuming you built from sources) did you do sh make.sh ... --prefix PREFIX or only INSTALL_ROOT=PREFIX sh install.sh?
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2016-08-04T17:14:08Z Baggers: I ran 'sh make.sh --fancy' and then 'sudo sh install.sh'
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2016-08-04T17:15:12Z Baggers: I first installed from binary, but then saw the issue so built and installed from source
2016-08-04T17:15:25Z Baggers: (and obviously got the same again)
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2016-08-04T17:15:54Z scymtym: yeah, binary distribution, afaik, needs SBCL_HOME for non-default install locations
2016-08-04T17:16:18Z Baggers: aye, but this was the default install location. Which is why I got confused
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2016-08-04T17:16:41Z scymtym: into which location did the from-source installation go?
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2016-08-04T17:18:03Z scymtym: related question: did you check for remnants of the previous (from binary distribution) installation?
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2016-08-04T17:19:41Z Baggers: no, but using locate the doesnt seem to be any other versions anywhere else
2016-08-04T17:20:29Z scymtym: btw. if you are not super-interested in getting to the bottom of this, maybe try sh make.sh --fancy --prefix=PREFIX && sh install.sh if you haven't tried that variation already
2016-08-04T17:21:11Z Baggers: thanks, I havent tried that actually, I'll give it a go now
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2016-08-04T17:29:40Z Baggers: scymtym: sadly the same issue remains
2016-08-04T17:29:41Z Baggers: the more I think about it the more I think Im better of having a version I develop with (installed under ~/) and a version for stumpwm to use
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2016-08-04T17:33:33Z Baggers: am I right in thinking sbcl install from source doesnt have a dedicated means for uninstalling?
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2016-08-04T17:46:21Z scymtym: Baggers: sorry that didn't work (which is irritating). i'm out of ideas as well (maybe check "which sbcl" again, just to make sure that doesn't pick up your host compiler, assuming the host was sbcl). afaik, uninstalling is not supported.
2016-08-04T17:50:31Z Baggers: scymtym: no worries, thanks for all the help, I can definitely bodge around this so I'll be back in business in a few minutes :)
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2016-08-04T19:26:23Z akkad: trying to quickload :bt-semaphore and  #<SB-SYS:FD-STREAM for "file /home/user/quicklisp/dists/quicklisp/software/bt-semaphore-20131003-git/README.md" {5259C559}>: the octet sequence #(195) cannot be decoded.
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2016-08-04T19:27:12Z Xach: akkad: i suspect your sbcl is using the ascii encoding. might help to start up in a locale that uses utf-8 instead.
2016-08-04T19:27:23Z Xach: for me, that's LANG="en_US.UTF-8"
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2016-08-04T19:27:38Z akkad: k. thanks
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2016-08-04T19:30:25Z akkad: think I was missing a "/usr/sbin/locale-gen --no-archive en_US.UTF-8"
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2016-08-04T20:21:17Z andylisp:  /j #lisp
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2016-08-04T20:25:01Z andylisp: hi - I've done some googling and have a quick question on lisp structure: does the order of function definitions matter?  It seems to me it does, because I naturally write higher level functions at the top and when I try to compile I get errors
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2016-08-04T20:25:34Z andylisp: is there are way around this without reversing my file?
2016-08-04T20:25:58Z Bike: if you're actually compiling the file, it doesn't, generally
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2016-08-04T20:26:12Z Bike: if you're loading it, the forms in it are executed one at a time
2016-08-04T20:26:18Z Bike: though you should only be getting warnings and not errors that way
2016-08-04T20:26:28Z Bike: perhaps you have a macro definition that uses one of the functions?
2016-08-04T20:26:51Z jasom: andylisp: can you give us an example file that doesn't compile?
2016-08-04T20:27:01Z jasom: andylisp: (to http://paste.lisp.org)
2016-08-04T20:27:50Z andylisp: ill try that
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2016-08-04T20:31:41Z andylisp: http://pastebin.com/LBqSk65Q
2016-08-04T20:32:30Z andylisp: im obviously new to programming and please excuse any silliness that may appear in comments
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2016-08-04T20:34:27Z jasom: andylisp: so, macros that call functions need the function definition to be present at the time they are expanded
2016-08-04T20:35:07Z phoe: Yes.
2016-08-04T20:35:27Z phoe: Generally: (eval-when (:load-toplevel :compile-toplevel :execute) ...)
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2016-08-04T20:35:34Z phoe: All such defuns go in the ...
2016-08-04T20:35:37Z Grue`: it doesn't seem like the macro actually calls the function
2016-08-04T20:35:47Z jasom: Grue`: it does
2016-08-04T20:35:58Z jasom: Grue`: it's improperly indented
2016-08-04T20:36:06Z Grue`: ah
2016-08-04T20:37:12Z andylisp: I tried to fill all my comments without screwing up the inentation, obviously that didn't go to plan
2016-08-04T20:37:33Z jasom: andylisp: so you can either move the triplet-form definition to be a labels inside with-multiple-units, or you can wrap it with an eval-when to force it to compile before the macro is expanded
2016-08-04T20:37:45Z jasom: andylisp: which editor are you using?
2016-08-04T20:37:53Z andylisp: emacs
2016-08-04T20:38:48Z jasom: andylisp: if you go to the opening paren of a function and do C-M-q it will reindent the whole function for you
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2016-08-04T20:39:30Z andylisp: looking at it now it seems I messed it up somewhere during the pasting to pastebin
2016-08-04T20:39:38Z andylisp: it looks good in emacs
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2016-08-04T20:41:41Z andylisp: Anyway - thanks for the help, I understand now.
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2016-08-04T21:56:24Z xificurC: when does sbcl start to get slow? `sbcl --non-interactive --eval '(format nil "Hello")'` runs 0.007 seconds here. Even python runs longer.
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2016-08-04T21:58:18Z jasom: xificurC it's not slow
2016-08-04T21:58:22Z Bike: start to get slow as what changes
2016-08-04T21:58:37Z jasom: xificurC: if you load a bunch of libraries, then it is slow.  The solution to this is to save an image
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2016-08-04T21:59:37Z xificurC: jasom: how slow? I'm working on a python project right now and after importing a few libs I cannot run it for less than .2 seconds and the machine is like 3x faster than the one I'm on here.
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2016-08-04T22:00:39Z xificurC: Bike: well I've seen a few projects trying to make CL good for small scripts
2016-08-04T22:01:02Z jasom: xificurC: several seconds or so, but saving an image with the libraries already loaded eliminates that overhead
2016-08-04T22:01:41Z xificurC: jasom: in seconds? Interesting
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2016-08-04T22:02:15Z xificurC: jasom: but saving an image means having an at least 20MB binary dump instead of a 10kB text file
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2016-08-04T22:04:00Z jasom: xificurC: which means like .001 cents instead of .000001 cents or something of disk space
2016-08-04T22:05:18Z jasom: xificurC: also some people make one image that can launch many utilities, so it's 1 60MB executable instead of 20 10kb text files
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2016-08-04T22:07:21Z jasom: xificurC: for really simple scripts, you won't need more than uiop which puts you at about 50ms or so on my machine time sbcl --no-sysinit --no-userinit --eval '(require :uiop)' --eval '(uiop:quit)'
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2016-08-04T22:08:23Z jasom: someone in here was talking about subsetting the features of FASLs so that they could be loaded faster; I'm not sure who
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2016-08-04T22:11:13Z xificurC: jasom: well of course you are right, but this doesn't look nice or scale well. Imagine if all the sh/bash scripts on your linux machine were 50MB. I have 1300 of them here which would account to almost 70GB...
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2016-08-04T22:11:57Z xificurC: if python did the same there's another 8k
2016-08-04T22:12:02Z xificurC: (of files)
2016-08-04T22:12:47Z jasom: xificurC: then you can make tradeoffs; ecl generates much smaller executables at the cost of a much slower startup time; you can bundle related scripts into a single executable (the way busybox works)
2016-08-04T22:14:04Z jasom: /bin/true is 27K; the equivalent bash script is 7 bytes
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2016-08-04T22:17:10Z xificurC: jasom: ecl has slow startup? I thought it should be faster at startup but worse in long term speed
2016-08-04T22:17:39Z jasom: xificurC: sbcl is an image dump of a running image; ecl is a bunch of C and lisp code that runs to create the running image
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2016-08-04T22:23:46Z xificurC: jasom: I see. Thank you for your input :), I'm gonna hit the bed now.
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2016-08-04T22:24:51Z jasom: xificurC: no worries; lisp can make small scripts, or large executables with very fast startup time; inbetween becomes a bit harder.  It's slower than importing a roughly equivalent amount of python code, but faster than compiling a C++ tree...
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2016-08-04T22:26:42Z xificurC: makes sense, thanks!
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