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(nth-value 1 (floor i 10)) gets you the type you probably expected. you could put in a specific deriver, but those seem pretty complicated. 2016-06-12T06:24:39Z minion: what other reasons might there be? 2016-06-12T06:24:46Z Bike: stupid computers. 2016-06-12T06:24:50Z Bike: minion: help? 2016-06-12T06:24:50Z minion: There are multiple help modules. Try ``/msg minion help kind'', where kind is one of: "lookups", "helping others", "adding terms", "aliasing terms", "forgetting", "memos", "avoiding memos", "nicknames", "goodies", "eliza", "advice", "apropos", "acronyms". 2016-06-12T06:25:05Z Bike: minion: memo for ejbs: the type's kind of shoddy because mod is defined as a confusing form using rem. (nth-value 1 (floor i 10)) gets you the type you probably expected. you could put in a specific deriver, but those seem pretty complicated. 2016-06-12T06:25:06Z minion: Remembered. 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What is it that you need to know? 2016-06-12T08:42:04Z phoe_krk: beach: I want to do my project the way you said - a single package that exports the symbols of the protocols and many subsystems that actually contain code for these symbols. 2016-06-12T08:42:38Z jackdaniel: it has nothing to do to asdf 2016-06-12T08:42:41Z phoe_krk: And I need my ASD file to support that structure. More - I want my ASD-GENERATOR to be able to pick it up and regenerate the ASD file with that structure. 2016-06-12T08:42:44Z jackdaniel: s/to/with/ 2016-06-12T08:43:01Z phoe_krk: jackdaniel: it has, when I want to do it within a single ASDF file. I've seen such a thing before. 2016-06-12T08:43:13Z phoe_krk: I just don't know where it was or how to execute it. 2016-06-12T08:43:34Z jackdaniel: it's a matter of packages, one pacakge is lets say foo 2016-06-12T08:43:39Z jackdaniel: and it has all protocol exported 2016-06-12T08:43:47Z quazimodo joined #lisp 2016-06-12T08:43:55Z jackdaniel: the second package is foo.impl , it uses foo and implements everything 2016-06-12T08:44:09Z jackdaniel: you may load it by hand – first the protocol, second the implementation 2016-06-12T08:44:18Z jackdaniel: voila, it has nothing to do with asdf, only that you may put it in asdf 2016-06-12T08:44:38Z phoe_krk: hm. I see. 2016-06-12T08:44:43Z jackdaniel: (:file "foo-package") (:file "foo") (:file "foo-impl-package") (:file "foo-impl") 2016-06-12T08:45:31Z jackdaniel: if it's one-file, then I'd rather put the package declaration in the same file, but it's a matter of taste 2016-06-12T08:51:43Z quazimodo quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2016-06-12T08:52:37Z quazimodo joined #lisp 2016-06-12T08:56:51Z fluter quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2016-06-12T09:02:15Z Grue`: one asd file can contain multiple asdf systems e.g. https://github.com/tshatrov/webgunk/blob/master/webgunk.asd 2016-06-12T09:03:57Z beach: But there is no particular reason to have a single ASDF file. 2016-06-12T09:04:13Z beach: Recently, I have started making one ASDF file per "module". 2016-06-12T09:04:35Z beach: That way, a module can be depended on by several different other systems. 2016-06-12T09:05:13Z jackdaniel: I take a rule that if systems are separate, then they should have a separate file 2016-06-12T09:05:38Z fluter joined #lisp 2016-06-12T09:05:44Z jackdaniel: if they are essentially one system, like 'foo', 'foo/test', 'foo/bench', 'foo/extra', then it belongs to the same file 2016-06-12T09:05:45Z beach: That is certainly more convenient if you need to build each system separately. 2016-06-12T09:06:04Z jackdaniel: I'll be back later :) o/ 2016-06-12T09:10:10Z bgs101 quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2016-06-12T09:11:00Z zRecursive quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-06-12T09:22:39Z bgs101 joined #lisp 2016-06-12T09:30:25Z schjetne: beach: I've found the one ASDF per module extremely useful. 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I see. 2016-06-12T10:35:21Z qrf: I generate bytecode using Microsoft's Expression API 2016-06-12T10:35:41Z qrf: And I can't make up my mind as to how big I want to go 2016-06-12T10:35:59Z qrf: Or even static vs. dynamic typing 2016-06-12T10:36:15Z qrf: Originally, I wanted to go all static but now it seems like more work 2016-06-12T10:36:52Z reepca: you could always go with no typing. I mean, it's not a dichotomy, static vs dynamic... >_> 2016-06-12T10:36:53Z qrf: And I wanted to check out some basic REPL implementations for inspiration 2016-06-12T10:37:58Z FreeBirdLjj quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-06-12T10:38:28Z IPmonger joined #lisp 2016-06-12T10:38:36Z FreeBirdLjj joined #lisp 2016-06-12T10:39:35Z qrf: That sounds questionable 2016-06-12T10:42:00Z reepca: I'm sure I can find propaganda/reasoning to support it once my copy of Let over Lambda arrives and I can get to the Forth chapter 2016-06-12T10:42:39Z IPmonger quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2016-06-12T10:43:00Z qrf: That approach is unnatural for this bytecode API, too, I think 2016-06-12T10:43:19Z beach: qrf: Instead of writing your own, you could use an existing implementation that was written with that kind of application in mind, such as ECL. 2016-06-12T10:43:29Z qrf: You'd first have to introduce a type that doesn't represent any type :D 2016-06-12T10:43:53Z reepca: so I suppose in that case "untyped" becomes "dynamically typed without any type checks", huh? 2016-06-12T10:44:23Z qrf: I used to use an open source implementation of Microsoft's Razor engine but it was painfully slow, especially on Linux 2016-06-12T10:44:58Z qrf: It pretty much just generates source code from the template files and compiles them using the C# compiler API 2016-06-12T10:45:21Z reepca: what's the difference between an uninterned symbol and a string? 2016-06-12T10:45:24Z qrf: On my low end Linux boxes compiling even one template often took 2-4 seconds, haha 2016-06-12T10:45:38Z beach: reepca: They are of different classes. 2016-06-12T10:46:22Z beach: qrf: Better yet, instead of mixing a static and a dynamic language with all the problems that organization creates, why not write your entire code in Common Lisp? 2016-06-12T10:46:39Z qrf: Eek. 2016-06-12T10:47:20Z beach: reepca: A string can't be the name of a function, for instance. Nor does a string have a property list. 2016-06-12T10:47:56Z beach: qrf: I take it you are not ready for that radical a move yet. 2016-06-12T10:48:01Z Arathnim: reepca: Just getting Let over Lambda? It's amazing. 2016-06-12T10:48:24Z qrf: I've explored many languages, I've also had Lisp and Haskell periods 2016-06-12T10:48:35Z IPmonger joined #lisp 2016-06-12T10:48:42Z kolko joined #lisp 2016-06-12T10:48:44Z reepca: Arathnim: yeah, getting it for my birthday :D wish there was an ebook version though - I already read the first 6 chapters and just wanna get through the last two. They actually sound like the most interesting to me 2016-06-12T10:48:54Z attila_lendvai quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2016-06-12T10:49:00Z qrf: But none of them lasted for more than a year 2016-06-12T10:49:02Z beach: qrf: So then you know that CLOS is a superior object-oriented system compared to that of C# or Java. 2016-06-12T10:49:11Z Arathnim: Like, a legal ebook? Or just in general? 2016-06-12T10:49:26Z StephanLahl joined #lisp 2016-06-12T10:49:32Z reepca: a zero-shipping-time version 2016-06-12T10:49:33Z qrf: I barely scratched CLOS 2016-06-12T10:49:35Z beach: qrf: And you probably also know that a good Common Lisp implementation generates code that is comparable in speed to that of a typical C compiler. 2016-06-12T10:49:40Z qrf: I mostly wrote elisp back then :D 2016-06-12T10:49:53Z beach: qrf: Wow, you have everything to learn then. 2016-06-12T10:50:52Z phoe_krk: qrf: elisp is a language designing for programming the vim text editor, CL is an actual programming language 2016-06-12T10:51:04Z beach: phoe_krk: what? 2016-06-12T10:51:08Z phoe_krk: the syntax might be fairly similar, but usage and internals differ greatly. 2016-06-12T10:51:10Z reepca: wow elisp must really be failing then 2016-06-12T10:51:10Z phoe_krk: s/vim/emacs/ 2016-06-12T10:51:25Z StephanLahl: Gotta memorize that one. :) 2016-06-12T10:51:26Z phoe_krk: i keep on making that mistake all the time, sorry 2016-06-12T10:52:16Z reepca: "s/vim/emacs/" - phoe_krk, 2016. Next time the flames die low I'll throw that one on the fire. 2016-06-12T10:52:38Z beach: qrf: Having the same (dynamic) language for implementing the core of an application and for implementing extensions has so many advantages over the more traditional way of doing it. 2016-06-12T10:52:38Z phoe_krk: reepca: xD 2016-06-12T10:53:00Z edgar-rft joined #lisp 2016-06-12T10:53:09Z IPmonger quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2016-06-12T10:53:56Z beach: qrf: For one thing, the traditional way is bound to result in the combined code being much slower, simply because users are going to actually use the extension language for serious extensions, and since that language is typically supplied as an interpreter, the result is going to be slow. 2016-06-12T10:53:57Z phoe_krk: reepca: you might want to utilize s/vim/emacs/g for maximum flamewar. 2016-06-12T10:53:58Z reepca: beach: I cringe every time I think of the big game engines that have embedded javascript / python / lua / whatever interpreters. 2016-06-12T10:54:13Z beach: reepca: Yes, I can see that. 2016-06-12T10:54:28Z Arathnim: qrf: Dynamic typing is a part of lisp. Without it, macros become quite difficult to implement. 2016-06-12T10:54:46Z beach: qrf: Whereas with a good Common Lisp implementation, extension code gets compiled to native machine code just like the code of the core application. 2016-06-12T10:55:12Z beach: qrf: Also, things are much easier to debug if you have a single environment for the core and the extensions. 2016-06-12T10:56:27Z FreeBirdLjj quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-06-12T10:56:44Z FreeBirdLjj joined #lisp 2016-06-12T10:58:38Z qrf: Well, the templates are rather simple, most exceptions will be easy to grasp 2016-06-12T10:58:50Z IPmonger joined #lisp 2016-06-12T11:00:40Z reepca: phoe_krk: where can I find the full documentation for IRC typo-correction syntax? 2016-06-12T11:02:10Z phoe_krk: reepca: I think there's none. 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Lisp there often are several ways to reach the same goal 2016-06-12T15:03:01Z shka: yeah 2016-06-12T15:03:07Z shka: certainly true 2016-06-12T15:06:26Z guna joined #lisp 2016-06-12T15:07:18Z Mon_Ouie quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2016-06-12T15:09:32Z eudoxia joined #lisp 2016-06-12T15:20:11Z ekinmur quit (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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If the format is known, it should be possible. 2016-06-12T15:30:46Z isoraqathedh: In particular, I have the format (:year "-" (:month 2) " (" :short-month ")") and the timestring "2016-03 (Mar)", and I'd like it to return @2016-03-01T00:00:00.000000Z. 2016-06-12T15:31:02Z isoraqathedh: (Or at least something like (:year 2016 :month 3) 2016-06-12T15:31:04Z isoraqathedh: ) 2016-06-12T15:32:30Z isoraqathedh: Not sure how to approach this. 2016-06-12T15:32:44Z Ven_ joined #lisp 2016-06-12T15:32:57Z shka: so, do you want to extend reader? 2016-06-12T15:33:22Z isoraqathedh: No, I just want to extract the timestamp values out of the timestring. 2016-06-12T15:33:42Z shka: timestring with your format? 2016-06-12T15:33:44Z isoraqathedh: Think parse-timestring, only you get to write in your own format instead of using the ISO format. 2016-06-12T15:34:17Z isoraqathedh: Yeah. 2016-06-12T15:35:07Z shka: i guess you will have to parse it yourself and use encode-universal-time 2016-06-12T15:35:41Z shka: or perhaps there is a lib for that 2016-06-12T15:35:44Z shka: not really sure 2016-06-12T15:36:47Z eudoxia: isoraqathedh: IIRC there's no library for doing something like strptime :C 2016-06-12T15:37:03Z shka: but perhaps you can write one 2016-06-12T15:37:14Z papachan` quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2016-06-12T15:37:19Z ekinmur joined #lisp 2016-06-12T15:37:35Z eudoxia: I won't because it's 2much work 4me 2016-06-12T15:37:42Z eudoxia: but if you do it would be a neat subject for a blogpost 2016-06-12T15:37:51Z shka: i was addressing isoraqathedh 2016-06-12T15:37:58Z eudoxia: i know 2016-06-12T15:38:02Z shka: heh 2016-06-12T15:38:04Z shka: ok 2016-06-12T15:38:06Z isoraqathedh: Hm. 2016-06-12T15:38:08Z isoraqathedh: That can do… 2016-06-12T15:38:21Z shka: it shouldn't be that hard 2016-06-12T15:38:47Z eudoxia: I would humbly suggest, because strptime format strings are hard and a holdover from the C era, that you have an API where you supply it local-time-style formatting lists 2016-06-12T15:39:00Z shka: probabbly: parse into tokens, do some kind of destructuring bind, match token values 2016-06-12T15:39:14Z eudoxia: e.g. (:year "/" :month-name "/" :day-name) 2016-06-12T15:39:21Z isoraqathedh: Yeah, it'd be great. 2016-06-12T15:39:21Z eudoxia: maybe Optima can help here 2016-06-12T15:39:34Z isoraqathedh: Because you can format a timestring and then parse it back using the same cons. 2016-06-12T15:39:43Z isoraqathedh: (And also this is relevant to my current use-case.) 2016-06-12T15:39:56Z shka: certainly 2016-06-12T15:39:59Z eudoxia: jesus christ dates and times fucking suck 2016-06-12T15:40:28Z shka: well it is certainly boring 2016-06-12T15:40:47Z isoraqathedh: s/fucking suck/are strongly affected by thousands of years of human meddling and therefore now exceeds as a whole the capaacity for any one human to learn it all/ 2016-06-12T15:41:00Z eudoxia: yes 2016-06-12T15:41:00Z zacts joined #lisp 2016-06-12T15:41:01Z adolf_stalin joined #lisp 2016-06-12T15:41:04Z eudoxia: this is why math notation is bad as well 2016-06-12T15:41:16Z isoraqathedh: Concatenation for everything! 2016-06-12T15:42:15Z isoraqathedh: My current attack plan is to transform the timestring-format-list into a cl-ppcre parse-tree, which should not be too hard… 2016-06-12T15:42:48Z isoraqathedh: But I would have to learn the timestring-format language. 2016-06-12T15:43:04Z shka: sadly, i don't have enough expirence with cl-ppcre to really give a valuable input 2016-06-12T15:43:16Z shka: i don't even know whap parse-tree does 2016-06-12T15:44:38Z varjag joined #lisp 2016-06-12T15:44:42Z isoraqathedh: It's just reformatting a regexp so that it uses conses instead of characters. 2016-06-12T15:44:59Z shka: hmmm, that sounds convinient 2016-06-12T15:45:14Z shka: thanks, i will keep this in mind 2016-06-12T15:45:22Z shka: can get in handy 2016-06-12T15:45:28Z adolf_stalin quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2016-06-12T15:45:41Z shka: *come in handy 2016-06-12T15:47:06Z DavidGuru joined #lisp 2016-06-12T15:47:35Z ekinmur quit (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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I started thinking about this when I saw some schemes like guile or gauche, that seem to be pretty fast booting and featureful interpreters 2016-06-12T20:09:37Z phoe_krk: Oh snap, it ended up abandoned. 2016-06-12T20:09:45Z phoe_krk: xificurC: Common Lisp is *huge* compared to Scheme. 2016-06-12T20:09:51Z phoe_krk: It will not boot up quickly because of that. 2016-06-12T20:10:03Z phoe_krk: At least, not quickly enough if you want it to boot up every time you run a script. 2016-06-12T20:10:25Z phoe_krk: You might want to run it as a service/daemon and call it from your *nix every time you might want to evaluate something. 2016-06-12T20:11:03Z ekinmur quit (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) 2016-06-12T20:12:29Z xificurC: phoe_krk: I see, thanks for the explanation 2016-06-12T20:13:21Z madmalik_ joined #lisp 2016-06-12T20:13:56Z xificurC: the avesh project looked interesting. 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It's sad to see it ended up dead. 2016-06-12T20:15:47Z phoe_krk: But maybe someone can learn from that mistake and try to make it happen without ending up in a debug hell. 2016-06-12T20:16:08Z vlatkoB_ quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-06-12T20:16:58Z xificurC: phoe_krk: yeah, one still has hope, since lisp is hard to kill 2016-06-12T20:17:50Z phoe_krk: :P 2016-06-12T20:18:32Z phoe_krk: that face when humans are easier to kill than Lisp 2016-06-12T20:19:44Z SpikeMaster joined #lisp 2016-06-12T20:20:32Z phoe_krk: Oh goodness. 2016-06-12T20:20:37Z phoe_krk: It's *so* convenient. 2016-06-12T20:20:45Z attila_lendvai joined #lisp 2016-06-12T20:20:45Z attila_lendvai quit (Changing host) 2016-06-12T20:20:45Z attila_lendvai joined #lisp 2016-06-12T20:20:53Z phoe_krk: I actually move folders around, move files around, move everything around in my project... 2016-06-12T20:21:12Z phoe_krk: ...and then (asd-generator:write-asd :projectname). 2016-06-12T20:23:09Z SpikeMaster quit (Client Quit) 2016-06-12T20:24:20Z fleaswallow joined #lisp 2016-06-12T20:25:18Z kaleun quit (Quit: Leaving) 2016-06-12T20:26:25Z diverdude joined #lisp 2016-06-12T20:28:44Z fleaswallow quit (Quit: Leaving) 2016-06-12T20:29:11Z fleaswallow joined #lisp 2016-06-12T20:34:43Z lemoinem joined #lisp 2016-06-12T20:39:20Z grouzen quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2016-06-12T20:43:04Z xificurC quit (Quit: WeeChat 1.5) 2016-06-12T20:43:35Z j-r joined #lisp 2016-06-12T20:45:20Z gravicappa quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-06-12T20:46:25Z j-r quit (Client Quit) 2016-06-12T20:46:34Z mood: phoe_krk: If you create an executable for your shell scripts, SBCL can actually boot up very quickly 2016-06-12T20:46:43Z shikhin is now known as idraumr 2016-06-12T20:46:50Z tmtwd joined #lisp 2016-06-12T20:47:19Z idraumr is now known as shikhin 2016-06-12T20:50:39Z phoe_krk: opengenera question: Can't TUNSETIFF for VLM network interface, Invalid argument 2016-06-12T20:51:21Z phoe_krk: I'm following the http://www.loomcom.com/genera/genera-install.html steps and I'm stuck at step 8 2016-06-12T20:53:09Z gabriel_laddel joined #lisp 2016-06-12T20:58:14Z antonv joined #lisp 2016-06-12T20:59:00Z benwbooth joined #lisp 2016-06-12T21:00:34Z impulse quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2016-06-12T21:00:44Z IPmonger joined #lisp 2016-06-12T21:02:23Z impulse joined #lisp 2016-06-12T21:03:23Z gabriel_laddel quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) 2016-06-12T21:04:11Z scottj joined #lisp 2016-06-12T21:08:27Z lieven: are you running it as root? 2016-06-12T21:08:30Z IPmonger quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2016-06-12T21:10:23Z edgar-rft quit (Quit: edgar-rft) 2016-06-12T21:11:34Z isoraqathedh: I'm raking my head over how to parse the date without using ppcre, but eh, whatever, let's do that instead. 2016-06-12T21:12:44Z nell joined #lisp 2016-06-12T21:15:01Z mejja joined #lisp 2016-06-12T21:15:04Z phoe_krk: ...ooooh. 2016-06-12T21:15:09Z phoe_krk: It conflicts with OpenVPN!! 2016-06-12T21:15:17Z phoe_krk: OpenVPN has already created a tun0 device. 2016-06-12T21:15:26Z phoe_krk: So genera cannot create another tun0 device. 2016-06-12T21:16:09Z lieven: openvpn probably will be more configurable to tell it to take tun1 2016-06-12T21:16:33Z grimsley joined #lisp 2016-06-12T21:16:44Z phoe_krk: Ayup. 2016-06-12T21:17:04Z phoe_krk: Also, Genera hangs when saving world. Does it mean my X is too new? 2016-06-12T21:18:26Z Jonsky joined #lisp 2016-06-12T21:18:38Z prion_ quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-06-12T21:22:40Z shka quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2016-06-12T21:22:51Z gingerale quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-06-12T21:29:37Z diverdude quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2016-06-12T21:29:48Z _paul0 joined #lisp 2016-06-12T21:30:03Z jleija joined #lisp 2016-06-12T21:32:39Z paul0 quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2016-06-12T21:32:59Z fisxoj joined #lisp 2016-06-12T21:33:15Z zdm joined #lisp 2016-06-12T21:33:26Z phoe_krk: ...ooooohhhhh. 2016-06-12T21:33:30Z phoe_krk: I got it. 2016-06-12T21:35:55Z adolf_stalin quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-06-12T21:35:56Z Patzy quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2016-06-12T21:37:18Z tmtwd quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2016-06-12T21:40:21Z knobo1 quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2016-06-12T21:46:24Z yeticry quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2016-06-12T21:46:40Z yeticry joined #lisp 2016-06-12T21:55:16Z helio joined #lisp 2016-06-12T21:58:16Z fisxoj quit (Quit: fisxoj) 2016-06-12T21:59:46Z ASau joined #lisp 2016-06-12T22:01:53Z wccoder joined #lisp 2016-06-12T22:02:44Z Jonsky quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-06-12T22:05:35Z leo_song quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2016-06-12T22:06:15Z wccoder quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2016-06-12T22:06:49Z leo_song joined #lisp 2016-06-12T22:07:04Z diverdude joined #lisp 2016-06-12T22:07:58Z porky11 joined #lisp 2016-06-12T22:08:51Z peey joined #lisp 2016-06-12T22:08:53Z peey quit (Changing host) 2016-06-12T22:08:53Z peey joined #lisp 2016-06-12T22:08:53Z peey quit (Changing host) 2016-06-12T22:08:53Z peey joined #lisp 2016-06-12T22:11:34Z isoraqathedh: Progress. http://i.imgur.com/Os9JK2m.png 2016-06-12T22:12:01Z mishoo quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2016-06-12T22:19:25Z cmos quit (Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]) 2016-06-12T22:22:32Z jellyfish_scion joined #lisp 2016-06-12T22:23:21Z madmalik_ quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) 2016-06-12T22:25:24Z attila_lendvai quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2016-06-12T22:25:30Z jellyfish_scion quit (Client Quit) 2016-06-12T22:26:04Z fridim_ quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2016-06-12T22:26:04Z papachan` joined #lisp 2016-06-12T22:30:50Z adolf_stalin joined #lisp 2016-06-12T22:35:16Z DeadTrickster quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2016-06-12T22:35:28Z DeadTrickster_ quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2016-06-12T22:40:32Z grublet quit (Quit: Leaving) 2016-06-12T22:42:48Z strykerkkd quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-06-12T22:42:53Z rtoym quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2016-06-12T22:43:07Z varjag quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2016-06-12T22:47:05Z Xal quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2016-06-12T22:51:16Z Xal joined #lisp 2016-06-12T22:51:48Z IPmonger joined #lisp 2016-06-12T22:54:46Z Karl_Dscc quit (Quit: Leaving) 2016-06-12T22:54:57Z Karl_Dscc joined #lisp 2016-06-12T22:55:42Z adolf_stalin quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-06-12T22:55:52Z peey: Does double or triple forward slash mean anything special to common lisp? 2016-06-12T22:55:58Z IPmonger quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2016-06-12T22:56:57Z peey: If I do (defun // () '()) or (defun /// () '()) the compiler (sbcl) greets me with the error "Lock on package COMMON-LISP violated when setting fdefinition of // while in package COMMON-LISP-USER." 2016-06-12T22:57:11Z peey: No error for four forward slashes though 2016-06-12T22:57:33Z peey: I went through the linked documentation at http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/lw50/CLHS/Body/11_abab.htm 2016-06-12T22:58:23Z peey: Can't make out which clause would say that it's illegal to use those as symbols 2016-06-12T22:59:22Z peey: Full error message is : Lock on package COMMON-LISP violated when setting fdefinition of // while in package COMMON-LISP-USER. [Condition of type SYMBOL-PACKAGE-LOCKED-ERROR] See also: SBCL Manual, Package Locks [:node] Common Lisp Hyperspec, 11.1.2.1.2 [:section] 2016-06-12T23:03:21Z porky11 quit (Quit: Leaving) 2016-06-12T23:04:02Z luis: peey: "2. Defining, undefining, or binding it as a function." 2016-06-12T23:04:19Z peey: What's it? 2016-06-12T23:04:29Z luis: peey: you're trying to bind the symbol CL:// to a function. 2016-06-12T23:05:04Z peey: Shouldn't it be bound to common-lisp-user::// though? 2016-06-12T23:05:48Z luis: CL-USER uses the CL package, so CL-USER::// and CL:// are the same symbol. 2016-06-12T23:06:07Z peey: If I do (defun //// () '()) then that executes successfully 2016-06-12T23:06:14Z phoe_krk: peey: / // /// 2016-06-12T23:06:20Z phoe_krk: These three are REPL utility variables. 2016-06-12T23:06:29Z phoe_krk: So are * ** *** + ++ +++ - 2016-06-12T23:06:30Z luis: peey: that's because the symbol //// is not exported from the CL package. 2016-06-12T23:06:36Z peey: Oh 2016-06-12T23:06:45Z phoe_krk: clhs + 2016-06-12T23:06:45Z specbot: http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/a_pl.htm 2016-06-12T23:06:46Z peey: That's what I wanted to know. What do these represent? 2016-06-12T23:06:57Z phoe_krk: http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/25_aa.htm 2016-06-12T23:07:33Z jellyfish_scion joined #lisp 2016-06-12T23:07:35Z phoe_krk: * represents the last returned value, + represents the last evaluated form, / represents the list of all last returned values, - represents the currently evaulated expression. 2016-06-12T23:07:49Z phoe_krk: ** means 2nd last, *** means 3rd last, same for + and / quantity. 2016-06-12T23:08:02Z peey: Makes sense :) 2016-06-12T23:08:17Z phoe_krk: go and play around in REPL. 2016-06-12T23:08:22Z peey: Can these be used in a package that does not use the cl package? 2016-06-12T23:08:32Z phoe_krk: peey: sure why not. 2016-06-12T23:08:51Z peey: I get it now. Thanks! 2016-06-12T23:08:55Z phoe_krk: But don't expect anyone to be able to easily read your code later on. 2016-06-12T23:09:09Z peey: True, just asking for the purpose of understanding :) 2016-06-12T23:09:17Z phoe_krk: Oh - in this case, ayup. 2016-06-12T23:09:21Z phoe_krk: They're symbols like everything else. 2016-06-12T23:09:26Z phoe_krk: And they can be bound like anything else. 2016-06-12T23:09:40Z Zotan quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2016-06-12T23:10:01Z Jonsky joined #lisp 2016-06-12T23:10:13Z phoe_krk: Actually, the REPL just rebinds them on every form that it evaluates. 2016-06-12T23:11:40Z jellyfish_scion quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2016-06-12T23:11:45Z phoe_krk: Night! 2016-06-12T23:11:57Z peey: Yeah. Google isn't actually helpful about this stuff. You search "lisp double forward slash" and you get plenty of results but not the one you're looking for 2016-06-12T23:12:04Z peey: Have a good night! 2016-06-12T23:17:54Z stepnem quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2016-06-12T23:24:51Z isoraqathedh: https://github.com/isoraqathedh/timeparse A few functions are up, and it can now parse the dates, but it still isn't able to assemble the timestamp yet. 2016-06-12T23:25:45Z bullets joined #lisp 2016-06-12T23:31:44Z bigfondue quit (Quit: WeeChat 1.5) 2016-06-12T23:32:14Z bigfondue joined #lisp 2016-06-12T23:33:33Z EvW quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2016-06-12T23:36:04Z unbalancedparen quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2016-06-12T23:36:06Z scottj left #lisp 2016-06-12T23:37:14Z unbalancedparen joined #lisp 2016-06-12T23:37:36Z mejja quit (Quit: What Is a Type, that a Man May Know It, and a Man, that He May Know a Type?) 2016-06-12T23:40:04Z diverdude quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2016-06-12T23:41:56Z zdm_ joined #lisp 2016-06-12T23:42:25Z zdm_ quit (Client Quit) 2016-06-12T23:43:02Z zdm- joined #lisp 2016-06-12T23:43:40Z unbalancedparen quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2016-06-12T23:44:20Z zdm quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2016-06-12T23:44:44Z wildlander quit (Quit: Saliendo) 2016-06-12T23:47:49Z space_otter joined #lisp 2016-06-12T23:50:31Z bullets quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-06-12T23:50:53Z Beetny joined #lisp 2016-06-12T23:52:18Z zdm- is now known as zdm 2016-06-12T23:53:13Z agidyne joined #lisp 2016-06-12T23:56:45Z unbalancedparen joined #lisp 2016-06-12T23:58:26Z scymtym quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2016-06-12T23:58:40Z didi joined #lisp 2016-06-12T23:59:22Z grimsley quit (Quit: Leaving) 2016-06-12T23:59:47Z agidyne quit (Remote host closed the connection)