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2016-03-02T00:01:59Z dreamaddict: does anyone know why .wav files made by mpg321 won't play right?  it appears to use an "Unsupported mode in an otherwise usable filetype" according to OpenAL bindings
2016-03-02T00:02:15Z dreamaddict: (I'm using the CL-openal bindings)
2016-03-02T00:04:05Z dreamaddict: or...does anyone know the right chat channel to ask that question in?
2016-03-02T00:04:20Z Bike: that sounds like an openal problem, not lisp, yes.
2016-03-02T00:04:40Z Bike: ALUT_ERROR_UNSUPPORTED_FILE_SUBTYPE, apparently.
2016-03-02T00:05:07Z Bike: "For example, an implementation may advertise that audio/x-wav is supported when in fact it only supports uncompressed (i.e. PCM) WAV files and not any of the compressed subformats. In this event, the various ALUT loaders may return an error and set ALUT_ERROR_UNSUPPORTED_FILE_SUBTYPE rather than ALUT_ERROR_UNSUPPORTED_FILE_TYPE which would indicate that no files of this type are allowed."
2016-03-02T00:05:39Z dreamaddict: gotcha
2016-03-02T00:05:45Z dreamaddict: so mpg321 is getting fancy
2016-03-02T00:06:20Z dreamaddict: I guess I'd, uh, like it to not be fancy :P
2016-03-02T00:06:43Z Bike: "Fixed wav file creation. The question isn't why didn't it work now, butwhy did it ever work... Closes: #107014" the changelog speaks of hidden terrors
2016-03-02T00:07:18Z dreamaddict: wow, coding sound is just full of bs
2016-03-02T00:08:25Z Bike: the mpg321 docs online are pretty cursory, so i can't tell you what kind of wav it's outputting or whatever.
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2016-03-02T00:08:40Z dreamaddict: nah that helps enough I think
2016-03-02T00:09:04Z dreamaddict: mpg321 is probably using a more advanced WAV file type, and OpenAL is the culprit here, for being lazy
2016-03-02T00:09:22Z dreamaddict: and now I'm going to have to code some silly little loader to stick it together
2016-03-02T00:10:02Z dreamaddict: only that will require learning a lot about how Lisp handles this sort of data
2016-03-02T00:10:31Z dreamaddict: REPL returns a symbol that looks like a reader macro for...some other kind of data structure that I don't know...sigh...
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2016-03-02T00:12:32Z dreamaddict: #.(SB-SYS:INT-SAP #X7FFFEC071370)
2016-03-02T00:12:36Z dreamaddict: no idea what that is :P
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2016-03-02T00:13:10Z Bike: that is an sbcl pointer to memory. SAP = "system area pointer".
2016-03-02T00:13:55Z Bike: clhs #.
2016-03-02T00:13:55Z specbot: http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/02_dhf.htm
2016-03-02T00:13:57Z Bike: if you don't know that bit.
2016-03-02T00:14:28Z dreamaddict: ok so...let's say that I get some code to properly read the advanced WAV file and then process it into a memory block of readable WAV data
2016-03-02T00:15:29Z dreamaddict: there is nothing fancy about that SAP...as long as the data in the memory is right I could code that to make a data block that could be used by the load-from-memory type functions
2016-03-02T00:15:57Z Bike: shur.
2016-03-02T00:16:10Z dreamaddict: as long as it is a valid pointer to a place in memory...?  or are there even more malloc-type shenanigans to be done before it will work properly with a C codebase?
2016-03-02T00:17:02Z dreamaddict: like, should I use C memory allocation to make the block, and then fill it with another function?  this is the shit where I get fuzzy because I haven't learned in depth, yet
2016-03-02T00:17:19Z Bike: uh, well i think you'd want to be sure that lisp wouldn't try to move the memory around.
2016-03-02T00:17:40Z Bike: so allocating in C might help yeah.
2016-03-02T00:17:44Z dreamaddict: ok
2016-03-02T00:18:50Z dreamaddict: so if possible, 1) get the size of the processed data 2) use C to allocate the memory 3) use any code to fill the block with the processed data 4) play it
2016-03-02T00:19:24Z dreamaddict: this really makes me want to make a much, much better sound library for Lisp
2016-03-02T00:19:34Z dreamaddict: later :P
2016-03-02T00:20:24Z Bike: i vaguely remember mentioning mixalot to you, and you said you didn't want to use it because you wanted to operate on audio rather than just play it. but maybe it would help now?
2016-03-02T00:21:48Z dreamaddict: the thing is...openAL has a LOT of nice audio manipulation functions (some that don't even seem to be included in the CL bindings) that I'd like to use...it has more included as-is than Mixalot, for my purposes
2016-03-02T00:22:10Z dreamaddict: if Mixalot has only one piece that can handle this situation then I guess I want it
2016-03-02T00:22:38Z dreamaddict: ideally...the lib I'd want is a full-fledged butt-kicking OpenAL
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2016-03-02T00:25:28Z dreamaddict: looks like the next step is to see if Mixalot's mp3/wav decoder can work with OpenAL
2016-03-02T00:26:41Z mood: I believe Mixalot doesn't actually support reading wav files
2016-03-02T00:26:56Z mood: Though I can be wrong on that, not sure
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2016-03-02T00:32:42Z dreamaddict: mood:  Mixalot can read mp3s, which is actually more what I need than wavs...the wav thing was just to work around that OpenAL (or the bindings) don't seem to know a lot about audio file types
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2016-03-02T00:34:32Z dreamaddict: hmmm I wonder if there is a CL lib that can work directly with codecs on the machine...
2016-03-02T00:34:54Z alandipert: jackdaniel, so, i have yet to be successful compiling a static ecl :.-( i tried building with -disable-shared, but then compile-file stopped emitting .o files and started emitting .fasc instead
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2016-03-02T04:49:38Z beach: Good morning everyone!
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2016-03-02T05:26:38Z jasom: beach: I wish.
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2016-03-02T05:27:56Z beach: :(  What's the matter?
2016-03-02T05:28:03Z beach: Oh, not morning anymore?
2016-03-02T05:28:15Z drmeister: Hi beach
2016-03-02T05:28:34Z beach: Hello drmeister.  Making progress on the GC issue?
2016-03-02T05:28:47Z jasom: if it were morning and things were good, then I would have solved my build issue
2016-03-02T05:28:57Z drmeister: Yeah - we are starting to think it's a hash-table issue but still not sure.
2016-03-02T05:28:59Z jasom: as it is, it's night and things are not good and I will likely be up late
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2016-03-02T05:29:56Z beach: jasom: I see.  Sorry to hear that.  Nothing truly serious though, which is a relief.
2016-03-02T05:30:04Z jasom: true, nothing serious
2016-03-02T05:30:23Z jasom: I probably wouldn't be paying attention to this terminal if it were
2016-03-02T05:30:46Z beach: Good point.
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2016-03-02T05:37:41Z beach: I am considering two minor McCLIM improvements:
2016-03-02T05:37:45Z beach: 1. Make mcclim-truetype the default.  It makes the fonts much nicer, and I have tried it sufficiently that I think it works fine.  It uses the XRender extension, so it is entirely CLX based.  I would then make a system called (say) mcclim-clx-core for the core protocol only.
2016-03-02T05:37:46Z beach: 2. Remove mcclim-freetype which is like mcclim-truetype except it uses FFI.
2016-03-02T05:38:06Z beach: I guess I'll make an "issue" on GitHub and wait for reactions.
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2016-03-02T06:19:49Z theos: has anyone worked on an ebook reader in CL?
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2016-03-02T06:35:28Z jackdaniel: alandipert: could you describe in detail what is the end effect you want to achieve?
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2016-03-02T06:39:07Z fiddlerwoaroof: I'm trying to figure out what to expect from MAPCAN.
2016-03-02T06:39:57Z Bike: (apply #'nconc (mapcar ...)), no?
2016-03-02T06:39:58Z fiddlerwoaroof: clhs section 3.6 seems to ensure that the list being iterated over won't be modified, unless I'm reading it wrong.
2016-03-02T06:40:27Z Bike: the list you're iterating over shouldn't be, no.
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2016-03-02T06:40:47Z fiddlerwoaroof: Ok, I always worry a bit when I see nconc or another destructive operation.
2016-03-02T06:41:09Z fiddlerwoaroof: And, in the case of sort, I've been unpleasantly surprised.
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2016-03-02T06:45:25Z beach: theos: Sounds like a nice project.
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2016-03-02T06:46:08Z theos: hey beach! yes its a nice project who can actually code perfectly in CL. unlike me :/
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2016-03-02T06:46:44Z beach: It doesn't have to be you alone.  You make the source available and you will get comments on it.
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2016-03-02T06:47:50Z theos: thats a wonderful idea
2016-03-02T06:48:10Z beach: ... and in the process, you will learn a lot.
2016-03-02T06:48:16Z shka_: beach: good morning
2016-03-02T06:48:37Z beach: Hey shka.  Haven't seen you for a while.
2016-03-02T06:48:43Z shka_: been busy
2016-03-02T06:48:53Z shka_: programming in cl right now though
2016-03-02T06:49:05Z theos: i am sure it will be a great experience
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2016-03-02T06:52:22Z theos: I need to start making time for CL.
2016-03-02T06:52:31Z beach: I agree.
2016-03-02T06:52:52Z pillton: CL might make time for you!
2016-03-02T06:53:18Z fiddlerwoaroof: What prefix do people use for stumpwm?
2016-03-02T06:55:50Z beach: "prefix"?
2016-03-02T06:56:13Z fiddlerwoaroof: i.e. by default you type Control+t and then hit the action key.
2016-03-02T06:56:28Z fiddlerwoaroof: Control+t Left -> go to the frame to the left.
2016-03-02T06:56:35Z beach: Ah, OK.
2016-03-02T06:56:42Z shka_: fiddlerwoaroof: i usually map it to meta+z
2016-03-02T06:57:05Z jackdaniel: I use notion (non-CL, but also static tiling), and I have set Super-L+k
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2016-03-02T06:57:41Z fiddlerwoaroof: shka_: hmm, I like that, because I can hit both keys with my thumb easily.
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2016-03-02T06:58:16Z theos: you got a weird thumb :D
2016-03-02T06:58:38Z fiddlerwoaroof: theos: I set the switches on the back of my keyboard to swap super/alt
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2016-03-02T06:58:53Z fiddlerwoaroof: (my other computer's a Mac)
2016-03-02T06:58:53Z theos: oh
2016-03-02T06:59:01Z jackdaniel: definetely less exciting in that case ;)
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2016-03-02T07:00:42Z fiddlerwoaroof: Incidentally, I switched to stumpwm, because it was a lot easier to hack it to support my broken X server than Xmonad was.
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2016-03-02T07:39:48Z dreamaddict: how much spec for the .mp3 format is publicly available?
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2016-03-02T07:44:46Z Bike: it's still patented in the US
2016-03-02T07:44:47Z fiddlerwoaroof: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MP3#Licensing.2C_ownership_and_legislation
2016-03-02T07:44:47Z fiddlerwoaroof: Looks like it's nearly completely patent-free
2016-03-02T07:44:48Z Bike: nearly
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2016-03-02T07:44:48Z dreamaddict: ^
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2016-03-02T07:45:00Z dreamaddict: nice to know the patent is almost up
2016-03-02T07:47:12Z dreamaddict: eh well screw trying to get mp3 to work with openAL, I think I'll just use OGG instead for this purpose
2016-03-02T07:47:17Z dreamaddict: it even sounds better than MP3
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2016-03-02T07:47:32Z dreamaddict: plus I think OpenAL can handle it :P
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2016-03-02T08:03:13Z dreamaddict: is there another chatroom that might be able to answer more specific questions I'd have about OpenAL (how do codecs work, what does OpenAL know about file formats, how do I teach it (nonspecific to language), etc.)...?
2016-03-02T08:03:24Z dreamaddict: (it's a sound lib)
2016-03-02T08:03:46Z theos: there is #openal
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2016-03-02T08:03:51Z dreamaddict: thank you!
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2016-03-02T08:18:26Z jackdaniel: which arglist is better as a hint from slime: (defmacro foo ((&rest fib) (&rest fact) &body body) …) , or (defmacro foo (fib fact &body body) …) ; ?
2016-03-02T08:19:51Z shka_: both ways are fine i think
2016-03-02T08:20:36Z Shinmera: I prefer the latter as it's less noisy.
2016-03-02T08:20:52Z jackdaniel: OK, thanks
2016-03-02T08:21:38Z Shinmera: I can't tell how much sense that makes in this case, but the latter also opens the possibility of allowing the user to omit the list in the one element case.
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2016-03-02T09:35:28Z JuanDaugherty: anybody know if beach's mcclim compares function/completion wise to the original?
2016-03-02T09:35:44Z JuanDaugherty: s/if/how/
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2016-03-02T09:37:45Z igam: Original McCLIM or original CLIM?
2016-03-02T09:38:19Z igam: (Not that I know in either case, but I had the impression that McCLIM was alreadly simplified compared to CLIM).
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2016-03-02T09:39:22Z JuanDaugherty: yeah I never used either, so referring to best past functional level of the thing I guess, which I guess would be CLIM
2016-03-02T09:39:38Z JuanDaugherty: iirc mcclim never matched clim
2016-03-02T09:39:43Z JuanDaugherty: now that you mention it
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2016-03-02T09:40:28Z JuanDaugherty: so given that assume beach's version is past the last best of mcclim
2016-03-02T09:41:16Z JuanDaugherty: s/last best/better than the prior last best/
2016-03-02T09:41:38Z JuanDaugherty: but query is about the usability of the overall thing
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2016-03-02T10:15:31Z Heranort: is there any tutorials for building static library embedded to C using ecl? i went through the manual and only found how to build the stand-alone program.
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2016-03-02T10:18:49Z flip214: varjag: re "The Grand SYMBOL-PLIST Treatise"...
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2016-03-02T10:22:04Z jackdaniel: Heranort: --disable-shared should build libecl.a
2016-03-02T10:22:46Z DeadTrickster: hmm looks like sbcl --script ignores sbclrc
2016-03-02T10:22:48Z jackdaniel: Heranort: using libecl.so is a better solution though (better supported and has dlopen)
2016-03-02T10:23:16Z Heranort: jackdaniel: thanks and i wonder wether i have to write the Makefile myself? could any IDE help me to do so?
2016-03-02T10:23:18Z jackdaniel: Heranort: standard builds libecl.so, check build/lib directory
2016-03-02T10:23:27Z Shinmera: DeadTrickster: As the man says.
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2016-03-02T10:23:37Z jackdaniel: Heranort: makefile? for what?
2016-03-02T10:23:49Z Heranort: for embedding lisp into C program
2016-03-02T10:23:50Z DeadTrickster: what can I do then?
2016-03-02T10:23:58Z DeadTrickster: load manually?
2016-03-02T10:24:09Z DeadTrickster: I want to use ql from my script
2016-03-02T10:24:25Z jackdaniel: Heranort: you may want to check the examples/embed directory
2016-03-02T10:25:03Z Heranort: jackdaniel: yeah there is a Makefile in it, but have that been written by hand?
2016-03-02T10:25:12Z Shinmera: DeadTrickster: Use the options that --script implies minus --no-userinit and use --load.
2016-03-02T10:25:54Z DeadTrickster: will --load work with hashbang?
2016-03-02T10:25:54Z Heranort: jackdaniel: i do not understand much Makefile syntax
2016-03-02T10:26:08Z jackdaniel: ECL can't possible know apriori with what you'll link the object
2016-03-02T10:26:51Z Heranort: jackdaniel: so there is no solution for automatic generation....
2016-03-02T10:27:00Z jackdaniel: generally you may just do "gcc `ecl-config --cflags` -o my-app file1.c file2.c built-lisp-library.a `ecl-config --ldflags` -lecl
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2016-03-02T10:27:21Z Shinmera: DeadTrickster: I don't know-- try it
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2016-03-02T10:27:55Z jackdaniel: Heranort: essentially if you have a C application you have some kind of a build system. If you want to built with it some ECL library you have to integrate it
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2016-03-02T10:29:21Z Heranort: jackdaniel: yep, I want to build my lisp code into one of the Qt applications. so i should modify the makefile to integrate the ECL in it, is that what you mean?
2016-03-02T10:29:50Z jackdaniel: Heranort: yes. You may want to check out the project EQL
2016-03-02T10:30:08Z jackdaniel: https://gitlab.com/eql/eql (Polos Ruetz wrote it)
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2016-03-02T10:38:48Z Heranort: jackdaniel: many thanks :)
2016-03-02T10:39:06Z jackdaniel: sure, good luck
2016-03-02T10:39:17Z jackdaniel: :)
2016-03-02T10:41:29Z DeadTrickster: my sbcl even ignores --noinform
2016-03-02T10:41:30Z scymtym: DeadTrickster: note that --script can be a "runtime option" or a "toplevel option" depending on its position relative to other commandline arguments. also note that --script will be interpreted as a "user option" if preceded by user options or --end-toplevel-options. the manual page explains this in the COMMAND LINE SYNTAX section
2016-03-02T10:41:50Z scymtym: this confuses everybody
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2016-03-02T10:42:39Z flip214: yeah, order is _very_ important here
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2016-03-02T10:43:00Z scymtym: i.e. sbcl --foo --script FILE will be interpreted as three user options but no runtime or toplevel options
2016-03-02T10:43:07Z DeadTrickster: ok so --noinform BEFORE --noprint works
2016-03-02T10:43:09Z DeadTrickster: good
2016-03-02T10:43:27Z DeadTrickster: now I just have wire up with hash bang
2016-03-02T10:44:08Z DeadTrickster: ha, #!/usr/local/bin/sbcl --noinform --noprint  here --noinform just ignored too
2016-03-02T10:44:40Z DeadTrickster: as well as no print btw
2016-03-02T10:44:43Z DeadTrickster: yay
2016-03-02T10:45:29Z DeadTrickster: sbcl --noinform --noprint <<EOF ,,, EOF this works
2016-03-02T10:45:45Z DeadTrickster: now I have to silence QL
2016-03-02T10:46:33Z attila_lendvai: DeadTrickster: fare has all kinds of lisp scripting stuff, I'm sure he solved it already somewhere... https://github.com/fare/cl-scripting
2016-03-02T10:46:48Z DeadTrickster: thx!
2016-03-02T10:46:59Z attila_lendvai: or in cl-launch
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2016-03-02T10:48:24Z DeadTrickster: wow quickload has :silent option
2016-03-02T10:48:33Z DeadTrickster: coooool. I'm good now
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2016-03-02T11:33:05Z dreamaddict: last time I tried SBCL (most recent Thanksgiving) for Windows, it had some noticeable bugs
2016-03-02T11:33:30Z dreamaddict: is it any better in that regard now?  or should I probably try a different implementation for work in Windows?
2016-03-02T11:34:10Z oleo: bugs of which kind ?
2016-03-02T11:34:59Z dreamaddict: IIRC, I was working along with the database example from PCL, and the part that took keyboard input was glitched
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2016-03-02T11:36:13Z pareidolia: I imagine the windows terminal kinda sucks
2016-03-02T11:36:17Z dreamaddict: doesn't sound like much, but the amount of fails that I've had on OSX/Linux with SBCL is: 0.
2016-03-02T11:36:19Z dreamaddict: that's probably it
2016-03-02T11:36:27Z dreamaddict: or, I would believe that that was the answer
2016-03-02T11:36:42Z oleo: you configured your locales and stuff ?
2016-03-02T11:37:00Z dreamaddict: you mean my geographic location?
2016-03-02T11:37:14Z oleo: the format of the db, the format of the repl and files
2016-03-02T11:37:19Z oleo: utf8 etc
2016-03-02T11:37:31Z dreamaddict: I don't believe I did
2016-03-02T11:37:38Z oleo: hmm, i'd check that.....
2016-03-02T11:37:44Z dreamaddict: probably just assumed it would do what it does on OSX/Linux and work perfectly :P
2016-03-02T11:38:00Z dreamaddict: other than something like that, are there any big issues then?
2016-03-02T11:38:24Z oleo: dunno, i don't have windows......
2016-03-02T11:38:46Z dreamaddict: eh just thought I'd ask before I started building something with it
2016-03-02T11:38:46Z oleo: but the sbcl side has bugs mentioned
2016-03-02T11:38:49Z oleo: site*
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2016-03-02T11:40:46Z oleo: so you'll get the release with those bugs mentioned......
2016-03-02T11:41:02Z oleo: and everything else may go unnoticed until someone mentions it and they can try to reproduce it.....
2016-03-02T11:41:36Z oleo: if they agree they'll add it to the bug list and try to fix it for the next release if possible....
2016-03-02T11:42:15Z oleo: if you input scheme works within windows but not across sbcl down to your db, you have to check several stuff......
2016-03-02T11:44:01Z oleo: you can try running a db natively (not from within sbcl) with your db manager
2016-03-02T11:44:08Z attila_lendvai: no free hacker wants to work on windoze on his own time. but recently there was a call for someone who is willing to improve sbcl on windows in return for some money
2016-03-02T11:46:17Z oleo: wide-char to utf-8 conversion (fonts are encoded in utf-16 in windows ?)
2016-03-02T11:46:34Z oleo: check consistency of encodings (external-format, db format)
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2016-03-02T14:42:42Z pareidolia: I'm having trouble with cl-annot's @route macro. Is it supposed to be easy to macroexpand such an expression?
2016-03-02T14:43:51Z DeadTrickster: I hate cl-annot with passion )
2016-03-02T14:43:56Z fe[nl]ix: pareidolia: don't use cl-annot
2016-03-02T14:44:22Z pareidolia: Just toying around with Lucerne
2016-03-02T14:44:33Z pareidolia: Please don't say "don't use Lucerne" :P
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2016-03-02T14:44:54Z DeadTrickster: sure
2016-03-02T14:45:12Z DeadTrickster: try to manage cl-annot based routes if you have a few hundreds of them
2016-03-02T14:45:26Z pareidolia: Indeed yes
2016-03-02T14:46:03Z pareidolia: Is there some document you can point me to?
2016-03-02T14:46:16Z DeadTrickster: document for what?
2016-03-02T14:46:23Z pareidolia: Alternative approaches to cl-annot
2016-03-02T14:46:38Z pareidolia: Lucerne's a bit sparse on that
2016-03-02T14:46:44Z DeadTrickster: if you what it for routes try my http-routes
2016-03-02T14:46:59Z DeadTrickster: currently it handles 5000+ routes on one project
2016-03-02T14:47:21Z DeadTrickster: with like 300+ manually entered and rest is auto-generated
2016-03-02T14:47:45Z mood: If you want to use lucerne, you can also (:import-from :lucerne.views #:define-route)
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2016-03-02T14:48:43Z pareidolia: Ok I read how cl-annot works
2016-03-02T14:48:44Z mood: It's not exported though
2016-03-02T14:48:52Z pareidolia: "route" is exported though
2016-03-02T14:51:44Z pareidolia: Lucerne's source is actually quite light reading
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2016-03-02T15:03:55Z pareidolia: It seems clack.request:raw-body is the way to go to get at posted JSON
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2016-03-02T16:20:36Z pareidolia: Anyone here who successfully uses cl-annot with SLIME ?
2016-03-02T16:20:46Z emaczen: Which blog software is recommended?
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2016-03-02T16:22:40Z pareidolia: emaczen: http://www.cliki.net/blog%20software
2016-03-02T16:23:03Z emaczen: Yes, I am looking there
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2016-03-02T16:23:47Z jackdaniel: I had most luck with nuclblog
2016-03-02T16:23:55Z emaczen: I was looking at nuclblog since I use hunchentoot, but it was like 8 years old...
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2016-03-02T16:24:12Z emaczen: I'm not sure if that is bad or not, but I wanted to hear some common recommendations
2016-03-02T16:24:14Z jackdaniel: http://hellsgate.pl/blog <- this stays on nuclblog
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2016-03-02T16:24:44Z ferada_: coleslaw is nice
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2016-03-02T16:24:50Z jackdaniel: I'm going soon to take a deeper look at the cl-blog-generator
2016-03-02T16:25:12Z jackdaniel: and coleslaw
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2016-03-02T16:26:04Z Shinmera: I'm using Reader.
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2016-03-02T16:26:29Z Shinmera: But eh, no advised for anyone else yet really since it's Radiance stuff.
2016-03-02T16:26:32Z Shinmera: *not
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2016-03-02T16:32:02Z pareidolia: Gah. Am I even supposed to be able to hit C-c C-c on a @route annotation with a defview ?
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2016-03-02T16:36:10Z MrTrump: good question
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2016-03-02T16:37:12Z pareidolia: The "smooth simple" webdev isn't going well for me
2016-03-02T16:37:26Z pareidolia: clack-error documentation being out of sync with the code...
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2016-03-02T16:43:56Z pareidolia: I'd *really* like to talk with someone who uses Lucerne concerning workflow
2016-03-02T16:44:07Z pareidolia: Every time I get an error it kills my server
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2016-03-02T16:49:06Z fiddlerwoaroof: pareidolia: you might consider using ningle
2016-03-02T16:49:34Z fiddlerwoaroof: It's not exactly well documented, but I've never had that kind of problem.
2016-03-02T16:49:50Z jasom: cl-annot is a pain in the rear
2016-03-02T16:50:15Z fiddlerwoaroof: pareidolia: Also, if it's using clack, you might see if clack-errors helps with the stability issues.
2016-03-02T16:50:22Z jasom: pareidolia: you can try #lispweb, but I don't know anybody using lucerne
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2016-03-02T16:51:58Z jasom: emaczen: coleslaw is the one I hear the most about
2016-03-02T16:52:00Z JuanDaugherty will do the paid work on sbcl on dos that attilla-lendai mentioned: juan@acm.org, in this case can do net billing without an advancement, payment when done.
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2016-03-02T16:53:10Z pareidolia: fiddlerwoaroof: I'm going to try ningle since I only want to take some simple json
2016-03-02T16:53:40Z pareidolia: The problem is that Lucerne apparently wants a class instance while clack-errors doesn't even define a class
2016-03-02T16:54:22Z pareidolia: I got the impression that Lucerne was the "new hot thing" though
2016-03-02T16:54:36Z fiddlerwoaroof: pareidolia: Yeah, there's some kind of transition in progress between clack and lack that causes problems like that
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2016-03-02T16:54:58Z JuanDaugherty: *advance
2016-03-02T16:55:29Z fiddlerwoaroof: JuanDaugherty: you misspelled attila_lendvai
2016-03-02T16:55:38Z JuanDaugherty: well he's not here
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2016-03-02T16:56:20Z JuanDaugherty: oh but yeah, so must be pronounced diff than I thought
2016-03-02T16:56:42Z fiddlerwoaroof: Just mentioning, in case he's in the habit of reviewing logs or otherwise gets notifications.
2016-03-02T16:57:07Z JuanDaugherty: right, that will have corrected
2016-03-02T16:58:29Z fiddlerwoaroof: pareidolia: http://paste.lisp.org/+6M9P
2016-03-02T16:58:50Z fiddlerwoaroof: You can get clack-errors to work correctly like this.
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2016-03-02T17:01:30Z pareidolia: fiddlerwoaroof: You program straight to clack?
2016-03-02T17:01:59Z fiddlerwoaroof: I use ningle, so you have to use clack manually to start the server
2016-03-02T17:02:24Z pareidolia: I'll take a look in that direction, thanks
2016-03-02T17:02:41Z fiddlerwoaroof: But, I generally just do a let like this at the end of my main file
2016-03-02T17:03:00Z fiddlerwoaroof: and then do everything via (start) (stop) and (restart)
2016-03-02T17:03:43Z fiddlerwoaroof: s/restart)/restart-clack)/
2016-03-02T17:04:20Z pareidolia: And no @route annotations I presume :)
2016-03-02T17:04:35Z fiddlerwoaroof: No, I have my own macros for doing routing :)
2016-03-02T17:05:08Z pareidolia: Lo and behold I found this https://github.com/eudoxia0/lucerne/blob/e7c3e74fb189b9793fba3847793b37e567fff2b3/src/control.lisp#L30
2016-03-02T17:05:56Z pareidolia: Conclusions drawn: I need to be very intimate with the clack api and take Lucerne sourcecode to be the documentation
2016-03-02T17:06:16Z fiddlerwoaroof: https://github.com/fiddlerwoaroof/alimenta/blob/master/server-test.lisp
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2016-03-02T17:11:27Z fiddlerwoaroof: The library I use is fairly simple: https://github.com/fiddlerwoaroof/araneus/blob/master/araneus.lisp
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2016-03-02T17:13:25Z fiddlerwoaroof: Hmm, maybe it isn't as simple as I think it is :)
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2016-03-02T17:14:12Z jasom: I also program straight to clack
2016-03-02T17:14:35Z pareidolia: It would be nice to see a simple JSON example GET / POST / PUT
2016-03-02T17:15:07Z jasom: I also wrote my own routing library
2016-03-02T17:15:12Z jasom: (by accident)
2016-03-02T17:15:26Z jasom: https://github.com/jasom/cl-fccs/blob/master/src/route.lisp#L83
2016-03-02T17:15:49Z Shinmera: Whenever I hear people talking about Clack stuff in here I get really sad because it seems to be so full of issues and people writing the same thing a billion times over.
2016-03-02T17:15:50Z pareidolia: Routing is not really my problem
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2016-03-02T17:16:09Z pareidolia: Well to be honest this is a newbie-killer
2016-03-02T17:16:22Z pareidolia: Not that i'd call myself a total newbie
2016-03-02T17:16:46Z jasom: Shinmera: I haven't had any issues with clack, other than a couple of bumps when I switched way from clack-v1-compat to clack-v2
2016-03-02T17:17:10Z pareidolia: Can I please just copypaste someones JSON api :P
2016-03-02T17:17:22Z pareidolia needs a sandwich
2016-03-02T17:17:24Z jasom: pareidolia: what do you mean by JSON api?
2016-03-02T17:18:02Z DeadTrickster never used clack :(
2016-03-02T17:18:35Z jasom: pareidolia: here's where I extract the body from a request: https://github.com/jasom/cl-fccs/blob/master/src/clackup.lisp#L66
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2016-03-02T17:19:05Z pareidolia: jasom: Just some routes that serve JSON, and take JSON upon PUT POST
2016-03-02T17:19:43Z pareidolia: I'm almost done with Lucerne
2016-03-02T17:19:59Z pareidolia: Here's a joke. So I do (lucerne:start app :server :woo :port 8005 :debug t)
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2016-03-02T17:20:09Z pareidolia: And it turns out the debug flag doesn't even do anything
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2016-03-02T17:20:30Z jasom: I had a poor experience with lucerne as well
2016-03-02T17:21:38Z pareidolia: It's a shame. I would like to do something about it instead of complaining, but I can't afford to branch out now
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2016-03-02T17:25:29Z fiddlerwoaroof: https://gist.github.com/fiddlerwoaroof/4c07d90b774bdd88aeac
2016-03-02T17:26:20Z fiddlerwoaroof: (That only responds to GET... and doesn't actually do any JSON parsing/dumping)
2016-03-02T17:26:40Z pareidolia: ♥ Love ♥
2016-03-02T17:26:56Z pareidolia: Yeah but I like Jonathan
2016-03-02T17:27:15Z pareidolia: And I can call raw-body on the request object
2016-03-02T17:27:46Z jasom: pareidolia: yes, but if you use woo, you must call raw-body exactly once IIRC (this was true for clack v1, hopefully fixed for v2 it was stupid)
2016-03-02T17:27:54Z fiddlerwoaroof: ningle stores the current request in *request* ...
2016-03-02T17:28:48Z fiddlerwoaroof: Hmm, it also has a context that might automatically contain the request body as well...
2016-03-02T17:32:30Z fiddlerwoaroof goes back to PHP-land
2016-03-02T17:36:04Z jasom: I just got the pun: Eitarō => 8 arrow.  I'm really slow since I've been to his homepage dozens of times
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2016-03-02T17:36:42Z fiddlerwoaroof: Ha! Never noticed that either.
2016-03-02T17:37:01Z fiddlerwoaroof: And, I've wondered several times what the significance of 8arrow was...
2016-03-02T17:37:55Z fiddlerwoaroof: (Not knowing Japanese at all, I mentally pronounce his name something like eye-TAH-roe)
2016-03-02T17:38:50Z pareidolia: I've seen to much anime, got the pun quick enough
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2016-03-02T17:39:01Z jasom: ay-ta-roh (with the "oh" sound at the end slightly longer than normal)
2016-03-02T17:39:02Z eudoxia: pareidolia: so you're having trouble with Lucerne
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2016-03-02T17:39:43Z eudoxia: for context re:that piece of source code, clack-errors was basically my first CL library, and was written before the great Clack rewrite, where it switched from classes to functions or something
2016-03-02T17:39:44Z pareidolia: I'd say it's been rough
2016-03-02T17:39:53Z eudoxia: so it uses a compatibility layer that Clack ships with
2016-03-02T17:39:56Z eudoxia: and its kinda fuckity
2016-03-02T17:40:23Z eudoxia: though I'm surprised that clack-errors doesn't work
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2016-03-02T17:40:53Z pareidolia: Errors blow up in Emacs even when the :debug t is passed to start
2016-03-02T17:41:20Z eudoxia: let me create a tiny test
2016-03-02T17:41:30Z fiddlerwoaroof thinks it might be a problem with woo
2016-03-02T17:41:45Z pareidolia: Ooh I didn't check with anything else
2016-03-02T17:41:46Z fiddlerwoaroof: I've only tried it once or twice, but never really liked it.
2016-03-02T17:42:04Z fiddlerwoaroof: Try using hunchentoot since that is, I think, pure common lisp.
2016-03-02T17:42:26Z fiddlerwoaroof: IIRC, woo uses libuv or something.
2016-03-02T17:42:57Z pareidolia: The errors were me passing the wrong list as a response
2016-03-02T17:43:57Z fiddlerwoaroof: My point was just that FFI libraries are often more brittle.
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2016-03-02T17:44:05Z eudoxia: pareidolia: http://i.imgur.com/WgkTw9z.png
2016-03-02T17:44:17Z pareidolia: eudoxia: It'd be nice if there is a note at clack-errors for Lucerne users not to try to include the middleware directly
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2016-03-02T17:44:36Z eudoxia: yes
2016-03-02T17:44:45Z eudoxia: i should write about that in the documentation
2016-03-02T17:45:02Z eudoxia: also i think fiddlerwoaroof is right that this is a woo problem though i'm not sure why that would be the case
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2016-03-02T17:45:53Z fiddlerwoaroof: My one experience with woo was that I loaded a simple "hello world" app that worked with wookie and hunchentoot and it died.
2016-03-02T17:46:26Z Shinmera: I've gotten woo to run fine in Radiance, though that driver might have bitrotted again already until now :/
2016-03-02T17:46:31Z fiddlerwoaroof: I could have been doing something wrong, but I've never really needed anything that only woo provides.
2016-03-02T17:46:31Z eudoxia: huh
2016-03-02T17:46:35Z eudoxia: woo works
2016-03-02T17:46:58Z pareidolia: Can it be something in my emacs?
2016-03-02T17:47:08Z pareidolia: It's just slime
2016-03-02T17:47:26Z eudoxia: http://i.imgur.com/iHUiVUB.png
2016-03-02T17:47:33Z eudoxia: it might be a problem with versions
2016-03-02T17:47:47Z eudoxia: or the implementation: i'm on SBCL 1.3.2
2016-03-02T17:48:04Z pareidolia: 1.3.1 here
2016-03-02T17:48:13Z pareidolia: eudoxia: I see you don't use slime?
2016-03-02T17:48:33Z eudoxia: sly is a clone that has other things
2016-03-02T17:48:45Z eudoxia: such as control+r search like in the terminal and cat-themed ASCII art
2016-03-02T17:48:51Z eudoxia: brb meeting
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2016-03-02T20:02:22Z kenanb: spec doesn't state a standard procedure for user to expand a type, but it states the necessity of expansion is implied, so I am thinking at least some implementations make the type expansion procedure available to user as well, any ideas?
2016-03-02T20:03:44Z kenanb: ah, I think I found some stuff
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2016-03-02T20:06:09Z |3b|: sb-ext:typexpand ?
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2016-03-02T20:11:25Z kenanb: |3b|: ah, so cool, thank you
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2016-03-02T20:12:23Z |3b|: seems to be a more portable (or at least ported) version in introspect-environments
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2016-03-02T20:22:23Z kenanb: |3b|: hmm, yes, great! thank you. support in three implementations is cool.
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2016-03-02T21:23:03Z dfg_: how do you eval &rest of a function or do you need a macro?
2016-03-02T21:24:08Z dfg_: like i want to create a function that creates custom functions. not just a function, but the type of function
2016-03-02T21:24:42Z Bicyclidine: i have no idea what you mean by "eval &rest". Could you try to explain in more detail? Maybe examples?
2016-03-02T21:25:04Z dfg_: like the arguments passed into a function
2016-03-02T21:25:43Z Bicyclidine: Yes. What do you mean by "eval". What does &rest in particular have to do with it. That is the sort of question I'm asking.
2016-03-02T21:25:55Z dfg_: you know how you (defun name (whatever) (do_something))
2016-03-02T21:26:02Z dfg_: then you call it (name watwat)
2016-03-02T21:26:14Z Bicyclidine: sure.
2016-03-02T21:26:36Z dfg_: how can i for instance, create a custom function. that says like (template (whatever) (do_something))
2016-03-02T21:26:43Z dfg_: where template has a hook to the parameters
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2016-03-02T21:26:54Z dfg_: so i can call (template "whatever")
2016-03-02T21:26:57Z moore33: dfg_:The argument you declare with &rest is just a list of the rest of the arguments. You access it with car, cdr, etc.
2016-03-02T21:27:04Z Bicyclidine: you've lost me.
2016-03-02T21:27:16Z Bicyclidine: In (defun name (whatever) (do-something)), is name a "custom function"?
2016-03-02T21:27:39Z moore33: dfg_:I think you want to define a macro. Is there anything in Common Lisp that is similar to the thing you want to define?
2016-03-02T21:27:39Z dfg_: no  its just a function, its body is defined right there
2016-03-02T21:27:56Z dfg_: idk how to explain
2016-03-02T21:27:58Z Bicyclidine: What makes a function "custom"?
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2016-03-02T21:29:09Z |3b|: function arguments are evaluated before the function is called, whether it uses &rest or not
2016-03-02T21:29:12Z dfg_: im not really working in common lisp atm, im working in Hy. which is a lisp dialect that creates python ast but
2016-03-02T21:29:16Z |3b|: if you want something else, you use a macro
2016-03-02T21:29:17Z dfg_: lisp is lisp rite
2016-03-02T21:29:21Z |3b|: not really
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2016-03-02T21:29:44Z dfg_: inside a macro
2016-03-02T21:29:52Z |3b|: some lisps have the concept of fexpr, which might be what you want?
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2016-03-02T21:34:36Z dfg_: the words that i think best describe what im trying to do is mutating functions. instead of defining function(input, body). define a function that creates a function from other functions
2016-03-02T21:34:38Z dfg_: idk
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2016-03-02T21:35:20Z dfg_: but that still can be called like a normal function (mutated "hello")
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2016-03-02T21:36:02Z Bicyclidine: you can define functions that return other functions. for example, (defun compose2 (f1 f2) (lambda (arg) (funcall f1 (funcall f2 arg)))). then you can do (funcall (compose2 (lambda (x) (* 2 x)) #'1+) 5) => 12
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2016-03-02T21:37:16Z Bicyclidine: and if you want you can assign a name to a function returned like that. in CL it's (setf (fdefinition 'coolio) (compose2 (lambda (x) (* 2 x)) #'1+)), then you can do (coolio 5) => 12
2016-03-02T21:37:59Z aeth: If your lisp is a lisp-1 and not a lisp-2 like CL, you don't do (funcall foo x y z) and instead just do (foo x y z)
2016-03-02T21:38:03Z aeth: iirc
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2016-03-02T21:38:12Z dfg_: its a lisp-1
2016-03-02T21:38:51Z aeth: Generally, we use ##lisp for generic lisp and #lisp for Common Lisp to avoid confusion. Although that probably causes its own kind of confusion.
2016-03-02T21:39:10Z Bicyclidine: don't worry, i was confused way before "Hy" came up
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2016-03-02T22:37:56Z jasom: dfg_: Hy is Lisp about as much as C is Algol
2016-03-02T22:38:43Z dfg_: oh yea.. i dont care
2016-03-02T22:42:36Z jasom: dfg_: that's pretty rude
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2016-03-02T22:43:17Z dfg_: im sorry, your remark was totally edgy. i apoligize for not sucking you off on the spot
2016-03-02T22:43:18Z dfg_: like wtf
2016-03-02T22:43:29Z _z: lol
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2016-03-02T22:45:59Z _z: 'Hy (alternately, Hylang) is a dialect of the Lisp programming language[...]' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hy
2016-03-02T22:47:03Z _z: it probably makes more sense to call it lisp-flavored
2016-03-02T22:47:35Z jasom: _z: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Algol_programming_language_family
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2016-03-02T22:48:58Z _z: i dont get why you linked that to me
2016-03-02T22:49:05Z jasom: _z: C is listed there
2016-03-02T22:49:06Z _z: since i just said it's lisp-flavored
2016-03-02T22:49:13Z _z: not a dialect
2016-03-02T22:50:04Z _death: seems to have a form of conses and symbols.. so I'd consider it a lisp.. may be a shitty lisp
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2016-03-02T22:55:35Z dfg_: its better then clojure, which doesnt mean alot, but hey atleast you get readable stacktraces
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2016-03-02T23:04:43Z aeth: People who don't actually program in Lisp seem to like calling everything with parens Lisp.
2016-03-02T23:04:54Z aeth: Let's start calling every language with significant whitespace Python.
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2016-03-02T23:05:29Z dfg_: whats your definition of lisp
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2016-03-02T23:06:44Z |3b|: in this channel, "common lisp"
2016-03-02T23:06:50Z aeth: Lisp definitely needs to include macros and lambas, and be represented with s-expressions.
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2016-03-02T23:07:12Z aeth: One thing that I think is overlooked in modern "Lisps" is the way Common Lisp and Scheme represent numbers. Does Clojure handle things similarly or does it just use Java data types there?
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2016-03-02T23:07:56Z p_l: aeth: I think it maps subtypes of number to Java datatypes, but does implement classic lisp "numeric tower"
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2016-03-02T23:08:16Z dreamaddict: how does CMUCL compare to SBCL on Windows?
2016-03-02T23:08:20Z aeth: Well, that's good. Maybe Clojure is a Lisp after all, if it has the numeric tower.
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2016-03-02T23:08:43Z Bicyclidine: dreamaddict: does cmucl even run on windows
2016-03-02T23:08:47Z aeth: A lot of tiny Lisp-like languages probably overlook the numeric tower.
2016-03-02T23:08:48Z dreamaddict: I don't know :P
2016-03-02T23:08:56Z pillton: dreamaddict: What axis?
2016-03-02T23:09:03Z Bicyclidine: it does not. Well, there's your answer
2016-03-02T23:09:09Z dreamaddict: reliability mostly
2016-03-02T23:09:56Z pillton ponders a graphic with an axis labelled "reliability mostly".
2016-03-02T23:10:06Z dreamaddict: just need a reliable Lisp to do some prototype work on Windows, that is reliable
2016-03-02T23:10:14Z dreamaddict: I'm considering trying the free LispWorks
2016-03-02T23:10:14Z p_l: dreamaddict: CCL?
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2016-03-02T23:10:25Z Bicyclidine: lispworks is probably fine, ccl too
2016-03-02T23:10:28Z pillton: CCL works on Windows.
2016-03-02T23:10:29Z dreamaddict: if it plays it plays, I don't know what is good on windows is all
2016-03-02T23:10:41Z aeth: SBCL doesn't work well on Windows?
2016-03-02T23:10:46Z dreamaddict: if ccl makes passable distributions then that's good too
2016-03-02T23:10:52Z dreamaddict: I heard it was a bit buggy
2016-03-02T23:11:03Z Bicyclidine: it probably works fine, but it's newer, and some things are still kind of fucked i believe, like threads
2016-03-02T23:11:20Z dreamaddict: I'll use it, but if there is a Lisp implementation that is flat not buggy, even better
2016-03-02T23:11:20Z pillton: Working on windows is a pain.
2016-03-02T23:11:55Z dreamaddict: this is more .net
2016-03-02T23:12:03Z dreamaddict: I just don't want to use C#
2016-03-02T23:12:13Z pillton: What is a flat implementation? What is a passable distribution?
2016-03-02T23:12:16Z dreamaddict: also I want to see how well Lisp handles this
2016-03-02T23:12:53Z dreamaddict: passable distribution=decent size (not super bloated), doesn't run slowly
2016-03-02T23:12:54Z _z: 'Operationally, null and not compute the same result; which to use is a matter of style. ' -- Which is a 'better' style and why?
2016-03-02T23:13:43Z Bicyclidine: usually NOT is for booleans and NULL for lists
2016-03-02T23:13:43Z dreamaddict: flat was the descriptor for buggy, meaning no bugs
2016-03-02T23:13:43Z _z: Bicyclidine: yes, clhs says that but they do the same thing essentially
2016-03-02T23:13:47Z Bicyclidine: right. so the style is to use NOT for booleans and NULL for lists.
2016-03-02T23:13:57Z _z: alright
2016-03-02T23:14:20Z Bicyclidine: you could semantically consider NULL to check for empty lists, and NOT to check for false. different things, even though it so happens that empty lists are false and vice versa.
2016-03-02T23:14:45Z aeth: Btw, thinking about it: I guess I'd say macros, lambdas, s-expressions (built on cons cells with car/cdr), and the numerical tower are required for a Lisp. For Common Lisp, it should follow the Hyperspec reasonably well and for Scheme, it should follow r5rs or r7rs-small, including having hygienic macros, continuations, and tail recursion (borrowing this definition from the Scheme wiki).
2016-03-02T23:14:48Z dreamaddict: ah, ccl has no 64-bit version
2016-03-02T23:14:58Z jasom: recently I've been getting lot's of "form ... is not a lisp" (where form is clearly a list) when slime is trying to locate compiler warnings.  Anyone else seeing this?
2016-03-02T23:15:04Z _z: thanks Bicyclidine
2016-03-02T23:15:05Z dreamaddict: guess I'll try free LIspWorks
2016-03-02T23:15:25Z Bicyclidine: dreamaddict: it seems to http://trac.clozure.com/ccl/wiki/WindowsNotes
2016-03-02T23:15:40Z jasom: they seem to all be centered around quasiquotation
2016-03-02T23:15:55Z Bicyclidine: or, as it says on the front page, "Microsoft Windows XP and later (x86, x86-64)"
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2016-03-02T23:16:20Z p_l: yes, CCL requires certain features that were added in Windows NT 5.1 (namely VEH)
2016-03-02T23:16:27Z jasom: http://paste.lisp.org/+6MA6 <-- here's an example
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2016-03-02T23:17:02Z Bicyclidine: are you sure you pasted the right thing?
2016-03-02T23:17:29Z jasom: oh wow, that's totally the wrong thing
2016-03-02T23:18:02Z |3b|: jasom: try slime from git or older sbcl
2016-03-02T23:18:26Z jasom: http://paste.lisp.org/display/308815 <-- there we go
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2016-03-02T23:19:07Z Bicyclidine: if it's sbcl, the comma means it's actually a struct instance
2016-03-02T23:19:10Z |3b|: , reads as a struct in sbcl now, so it can print as ,
2016-03-02T23:19:34Z jasom: ah
2016-03-02T23:19:57Z |3b|: or if you are lazy, actual error is probably printed to repl or in one of the lower frames
2016-03-02T23:20:39Z jasom: |3b|: well I'm lazy so I'm going to fix it; looking in the lower frames 10 times is a lot more work than upgrading slime
2016-03-02T23:21:00Z aeth: I will have to revise my Lisp definition one more time to include a REPL. It's not really optional in a language that claims to be a Lisp imo.
2016-03-02T23:22:52Z dreamaddict: god damn, LispWorks costs money
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2016-03-02T23:26:07Z PuercoPop: I prefer endp for checking for empty lists, not when 'operating' (ie negate a result).
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2016-03-02T23:26:54Z pseudo_sue: hey, quick little slime question: suppose I've got two different inferior lisps running. how do I select the instance I want C-c C-c to send its compilation to?
2016-03-02T23:27:12Z Bicyclidine: M-x slime-next-connection, i think it's called now
2016-03-02T23:27:18Z pseudo_sue: ah, thanks!
2016-03-02T23:27:35Z Bicyclidine: the lisp that's connected should be on the... buffer... line... thing... you know, next to the mode
2016-03-02T23:27:41Z pseudo_sue: hm.... no dice.
2016-03-02T23:27:51Z pseudo_sue: yeah, I see it there. <1> or <2>, I think.
2016-03-02T23:29:01Z pseudo_sue: I'm running a pair of instances for a presentation, and want to be able to tweak special variables at runtime from the slime-scratch buffer (or from two separate slime scratch buffers, if that turns out to be easier)
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2016-03-02T23:29:10Z Bicyclidine: something like "Lisp adoc [COMMON-LISP-USER sbcl]"
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2016-03-02T23:30:00Z pseudo_sue: hey, this might be it: M-x slime-cycle-connections
2016-03-02T23:30:08Z Bicyclidine: that's the old one.
2016-03-02T23:30:31Z Bicyclidine: but yeah, same deal.
2016-03-02T23:30:37Z pseudo_sue: seems to work, though... maybe my installation is behind by a bit :)
2016-03-02T23:30:49Z pseudo_sue: thanks for the pointer, though. got me googling the right phrases.
2016-03-02T23:31:00Z Bicyclidine: there's a selector gizmo and stuff also.
2016-03-02T23:32:46Z pseudo_sue: nice. got the cycle function saved as a key chord now, and I'm ready to roll.
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