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2016-02-21T02:15:01Z aap quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2016-02-21T02:15:33Z askatasuna quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2016-02-21T02:18:01Z |3b| thinks around the function makes it not toplevel, which has some effects on the compile-time side effects of defun 2016-02-21T02:18:23Z |3b| always puts flet/macrolet inside the function 2016-02-21T02:18:42Z mejja left #lisp 2016-02-21T02:19:15Z |3b|: i guess macrolet doesn't make things not top level 2016-02-21T02:19:23Z |3b| would still put it inside the function though 2016-02-21T02:20:48Z |3b|: hmm, and defun doesn't have any compile-time side effects, so i guess i don't know what i'm talking about anyway :p 2016-02-21T02:21:06Z fiddlerwoaroof: clhs defun 2016-02-21T02:21:07Z specbot: http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/m_defun.htm 2016-02-21T02:21:10Z smokeink joined #lisp 2016-02-21T02:21:39Z Wizek quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2016-02-21T02:27:11Z cmoneylulz joined #lisp 2016-02-21T02:27:18Z cmoneylulz quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-02-21T02:31:46Z zRecursive joined #lisp 2016-02-21T02:35:59Z k-stz quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-02-21T02:45:18Z EvW quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2016-02-21T02:47:52Z fewdea quit (Quit: Leaving) 2016-02-21T02:47:58Z quasus quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2016-02-21T02:49:45Z sweater joined #lisp 2016-02-21T03:07:49Z bolichep quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2016-02-21T03:07:59Z sweater quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2016-02-21T03:12:13Z karswell quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2016-02-21T03:13:02Z karswell joined #lisp 2016-02-21T03:19:33Z bolichep joined #lisp 2016-02-21T03:20:50Z Karl_Dscc quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-02-21T03:26:21Z Kazlock quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2016-02-21T03:36:51Z nowolfer joined #lisp 2016-02-21T03:38:03Z AJavaIdiot quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 44.0.2/20160210153822]) 2016-02-21T03:40:28Z Don_John joined #lisp 2016-02-21T03:40:47Z Don_John quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2016-02-21T03:59:43Z zamro joined #lisp 2016-02-21T04:03:54Z badkins quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-02-21T04:04:29Z sjl quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2016-02-21T04:08:37Z askatasuna joined #lisp 2016-02-21T04:10:11Z stepnem quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 2016-02-21T04:14:20Z BlueRavenGT joined #lisp 2016-02-21T04:15:42Z nikki93 joined #lisp 2016-02-21T04:17:42Z nowolfer quit (Quit: leaving) 2016-02-21T04:18:09Z spyrosoft left #lisp 2016-02-21T04:18:54Z d3lf0 quit 2016-02-21T04:19:06Z EvW joined #lisp 2016-02-21T04:19:27Z spyrosoft joined #lisp 2016-02-21T04:20:16Z nikki93 quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2016-02-21T04:21:54Z xrash quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2016-02-21T04:30:10Z spyrosoft left #lisp 2016-02-21T04:31:24Z spyrosoft joined #lisp 2016-02-21T04:31:36Z spyrosoft left #lisp 2016-02-21T04:31:58Z bolichep quit (Quit: Saliendo) 2016-02-21T04:32:42Z Oddity quit 2016-02-21T04:34:49Z varjag_ quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) 2016-02-21T04:35:15Z zRecursive quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2016-02-21T04:37:42Z lisse joined #lisp 2016-02-21T04:40:36Z Oddity joined #lisp 2016-02-21T04:42:24Z jason_m quit (Quit: Leaving) 2016-02-21T04:43:32Z loke`` joined #lisp 2016-02-21T04:43:44Z loke` quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-02-21T04:46:17Z Nikotiini quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2016-02-21T04:49:59Z jasom quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2016-02-21T04:50:04Z defaultxr quit (Quit: gnight) 2016-02-21T04:50:59Z Sucks quit (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.) 2016-02-21T04:51:00Z |3b| quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2016-02-21T04:53:59Z schoppenhauer quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2016-02-21T04:54:04Z loke`` quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2016-02-21T04:54:06Z _z joined #lisp 2016-02-21T04:54:08Z vlatkoB joined #lisp 2016-02-21T04:54:37Z Sucks joined #lisp 2016-02-21T04:55:13Z j_king quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2016-02-21T04:55:13Z tippenein quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2016-02-21T04:55:32Z jasom joined #lisp 2016-02-21T04:56:06Z tippenein joined #lisp 2016-02-21T04:56:08Z loke`` joined #lisp 2016-02-21T04:56:10Z schoppenhauer joined #lisp 2016-02-21T04:56:14Z j_king joined #lisp 2016-02-21T04:57:13Z zamro quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-02-21T04:57:23Z |3b| joined #lisp 2016-02-21T04:57:46Z TDT quit (Quit: TDT) 2016-02-21T05:00:11Z arescorpio quit (Quit: Leaving.) 2016-02-21T05:01:34Z phoe_krk quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2016-02-21T05:01:42Z OrangeShark quit (Quit: Leaving) 2016-02-21T05:04:12Z ChibaPet joined #lisp 2016-02-21T05:04:50Z nullman quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-02-21T05:11:37Z lerax joined #lisp 2016-02-21T05:13:58Z lerax: Hey guys, I have some doubt with do statement and setq, my code don't runs: http://ideone.com/0Pr77v. I try run with clisp and give me back the variable TR is not defined, but I defined earlier... T_T 2016-02-21T05:14:17Z lerax: I'm really glad if someone can explain the reason for that... I don't understand. 2016-02-21T05:14:20Z lerax: Thanks for attention. 2016-02-21T05:14:33Z |3b|: where did you define it? 2016-02-21T05:14:42Z |3b|: SETQ doesn't define variables in CL 2016-02-21T05:14:53Z lerax: I use earlier SETF 2016-02-21T05:15:01Z |3b|: SETF doesn't define variables either 2016-02-21T05:15:06Z lerax: I defined inside the do macro 2016-02-21T05:15:11Z lerax: Serious? 2016-02-21T05:15:12Z lerax: D: 2016-02-21T05:16:05Z lerax: What is used to define variables in CL? 2016-02-21T05:16:07Z |3b|: use DEFVAR or DEFPARAMETER to define global special variables, preferably names like *foo* rather than just foo, since the 'special' declaration affects every use of that name and can be confusing if you didn't expect it 2016-02-21T05:16:32Z phoe_krk joined #lisp 2016-02-21T05:16:36Z |3b|: mostly we try to just use local lexical variables, defined as function parameters, or with LET 2016-02-21T05:16:36Z lerax: Ouch, thanks module3b, I'll try that. 2016-02-21T05:17:16Z |3b|: we also don't put ) on lines by themselves 2016-02-21T05:17:55Z Opodeldoc: ) 2016-02-21T05:17:56Z |3b| wouldn't end the line after (do or (if 2016-02-21T05:18:03Z Opodeldoc: )'s get cold when they're lonely 2016-02-21T05:18:11Z |3b|: or (and 2016-02-21T05:18:37Z _z: i like to see my )'s cold >;) 2016-02-21T05:19:10Z lerax: Thanks by the advice. 2016-02-21T05:20:07Z mbuf joined #lisp 2016-02-21T05:20:29Z EvW quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2016-02-21T05:22:25Z Xal: a few more stylistic things: instead of using the is prefix we add the 'p' suffix to tests that return a boolean 2016-02-21T05:22:38Z Xal: to be consistent with things like evenp and zerop 2016-02-21T05:22:52Z lerax: HMMM! This is nice. 2016-02-21T05:24:54Z ChibaPet: [) 2016-02-21T05:25:14Z lerax: T_T I use defvar and doesn't works yet... I think I make some mistake with do macro http://ideone.com/0Pr77v... 2016-02-21T05:25:29Z lerax: made* 2016-02-21T05:26:40Z beach: Good morning everyone! 2016-02-21T05:27:30Z beach: lerax: Please remove the newlines and other whitespace before the closing parentheses as you were advised to do. 2016-02-21T05:29:19Z beach: lerax: One would typically not define special variables inside functions. One would use local variables that are introduced by LET or LET*. 2016-02-21T05:30:08Z beach: lerax: And, while you don't CREATE variables using SETF and SETQ, you do ASSIGN TO them using those operators. 2016-02-21T05:30:38Z sjl joined #lisp 2016-02-21T05:31:39Z beach: lerax: Also, I don't know what tool you use for indentation, but you should indent the body of a DEFUN or a DO by 2 positions. 2016-02-21T05:32:39Z Xal: I'm being a little picky here but we often don't want to assign to variables at all 2016-02-21T05:32:49Z Xal: recursion can solve many problems 2016-02-21T05:34:08Z smokeink: lerax: http://ideone.com/TXT4qG 2016-02-21T05:34:14Z beach: Xal: I was thinking of looking at the technique after doing away with the language problems and the stylistic problems. 2016-02-21T05:35:33Z sjl quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2016-02-21T05:36:03Z lerax: Thanks for the informations, beach. I was using sublime, because my emacs was with some problems. 2016-02-21T05:36:13Z lerax: Thanks for example fixed smokeink! 2016-02-21T05:37:10Z beach: smokeink: That indentation looks even worse. 2016-02-21T05:40:03Z lerax: beach: LOL 2016-02-21T05:40:58Z smokeink: haha 2016-02-21T05:41:03Z smokeink: how is it now? 2016-02-21T05:41:48Z _z quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-02-21T05:42:08Z cmoneylulz joined #lisp 2016-02-21T05:43:01Z tessier joined #lisp 2016-02-21T05:43:01Z tessier quit (Changing host) 2016-02-21T05:43:01Z tessier joined #lisp 2016-02-21T05:43:36Z beach: Better. 2016-02-21T05:48:48Z beach: lerax: Lisp programmers analyze code based on indentation and not by counting parentheses. For that to work, they have to be able to trust the indentation. In order to trust the indentation, it has to be done by a computer tool that is able to do it right. 2016-02-21T05:48:50Z beach: So when someone like me detects ONE SINGLE LINE with the wrong indentation, it becomes clear that the indentation wasn't done by such a tool, so then the code can not be trusted. I would have to count parentheses to convince myself of what the code is doing, which I am not willing to do, simply because it is too hard and error prone. 2016-02-21T05:49:03Z lisse quit (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) 2016-02-21T05:49:34Z beach seems to be fighting a losing battle. 2016-02-21T05:51:29Z lerax: Thanks for all do tips and advices beach, I'll remember that. 2016-02-21T05:52:17Z lerax: *: is a bot? I really laugh with this... 2016-02-21T05:52:19Z beach: Anytime. 2016-02-21T05:54:37Z beach: lerax: The `*' thingy is done with /me 2016-02-21T05:55:11Z beach: Is that what you are asking? 2016-02-21T05:56:24Z lerax beach was this 2016-02-21T05:56:33Z reepca quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-02-21T05:57:06Z beach: And, yes, it can "sound" pretty funny if done right. 2016-02-21T06:01:15Z pullmeunder joined #lisp 2016-02-21T06:03:42Z UtkarshRay quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-02-21T06:06:51Z Xal quit (Quit: bye) 2016-02-21T06:07:34Z _z joined #lisp 2016-02-21T06:10:48Z UtkarshRay joined #lisp 2016-02-21T06:13:43Z FreeBirdLjj joined #lisp 2016-02-21T06:16:01Z loke`` prefers to use first person when I use /me. 2016-02-21T06:21:06Z beach emphasizes "if done right". 2016-02-21T06:22:00Z loke``: beach: "right" is in the eye of the beholder. To me, it's right when someone gets annoyed :-) 2016-02-21T06:22:14Z beach: I have noticed that, yes. 2016-02-21T06:24:11Z cmoneylulz quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-02-21T06:24:21Z loke``: I was joking, I only ever perform very mild trolling. Such as using first person in /me 2016-02-21T06:25:40Z beach: I was joking as well. 2016-02-21T06:25:55Z phoe_krk quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2016-02-21T06:25:55Z BlueRavenGT quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2016-02-21T06:27:03Z beach goes to empty the dishwasher that ran overnight at low-tariff time. 2016-02-21T06:29:02Z lerax quit (Quit: I'll gonna win.) 2016-02-21T06:31:32Z sjl joined #lisp 2016-02-21T06:32:20Z Warlock_29A joined #lisp 2016-02-21T06:34:26Z DeadTrickster_ joined #lisp 2016-02-21T06:37:04Z sjl quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2016-02-21T06:37:49Z gingerale joined #lisp 2016-02-21T06:42:14Z d4ryus quit (Killed (wolfe.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))) 2016-02-21T06:42:15Z d4ryus joined #lisp 2016-02-21T06:48:56Z angavrilov joined #lisp 2016-02-21T06:49:25Z pullmeunder is now known as snaktheripper 2016-02-21T06:54:55Z snaktheripper quit (Quit: Page closed) 2016-02-21T06:58:59Z _z quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2016-02-21T07:02:14Z vlatkoB_ joined #lisp 2016-02-21T07:06:13Z vlatkoB quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2016-02-21T07:07:47Z Valjan quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 2016-02-21T07:17:12Z jasom: I still have fixed rate electricity since the person who was supposed to upgrade my metre apparently thought we owned a dog so refused to enter our back yard to change it. 2016-02-21T07:17:39Z beach: Heh! What country? 2016-02-21T07:18:52Z Passer joined #lisp 2016-02-21T07:22:50Z moore33: Morning 2016-02-21T07:23:14Z beach: Hello moore33. 2016-02-21T07:24:40Z cxpp quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-02-21T07:27:23Z beach: moore33: Still in the south? 2016-02-21T07:27:49Z moore33: beach: Yeah, we just arrived yesterday. 2016-02-21T07:28:25Z beach: For one week, I guess? 2016-02-21T07:28:37Z moore33: I need to get my various projects done, even though we are having guests! 2016-02-21T07:28:46Z moore33: beach: Yeah, just one week. 2016-02-21T07:28:51Z moore33: Can't stay away. 2016-02-21T07:29:33Z beach: That's a tough one. 2016-02-21T07:31:17Z moore33: beach: It means late nights and regulating my alcohol consumption somewhat 2016-02-21T07:32:47Z beach: When we have guests, to me it means early mornings. :) 2016-02-21T07:33:13Z beach: I work when everyone else is asleep. Just at a different time from you. 2016-02-21T07:33:45Z sjl joined #lisp 2016-02-21T07:36:34Z Passer quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2016-02-21T07:38:30Z Passer joined #lisp 2016-02-21T07:38:44Z sjl quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2016-02-21T07:40:53Z Sucks quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2016-02-21T07:41:04Z BitPuffin|osx quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2016-02-21T07:45:13Z Passer_ joined #lisp 2016-02-21T07:45:14Z Passer quit (Disconnected by services) 2016-02-21T07:45:24Z Passer_ is now known as Passer 2016-02-21T07:45:39Z mbuf quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) 2016-02-21T07:51:22Z jasom: beach: usa 2016-02-21T07:59:11Z beach: jasom: Reminds me of this song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFvtoJrK1Zg 2016-02-21T07:59:40Z jasom: beach: not availabe in my country 2016-02-21T07:59:57Z beach: It's "Flakes" by Frank Zappa. 2016-02-21T08:00:52Z jasom: yeah, and I do live in California 2016-02-21T08:00:58Z beach: :) 2016-02-21T08:02:02Z DeadTrickster quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-02-21T08:03:03Z DeadTrickster joined #lisp 2016-02-21T08:03:36Z JitanRo joined #lisp 2016-02-21T08:11:31Z Passer quit 2016-02-21T08:11:56Z shlomo joined #lisp 2016-02-21T08:15:42Z scymtym_ joined #lisp 2016-02-21T08:17:25Z ggole joined #lisp 2016-02-21T08:18:21Z Passer joined #lisp 2016-02-21T08:19:00Z FreeBirdLjj quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-02-21T08:28:46Z DeadTrickster_ quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2016-02-21T08:34:46Z sjl joined #lisp 2016-02-21T08:38:32Z quazimodo quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2016-02-21T08:39:58Z futpib joined #lisp 2016-02-21T08:40:36Z sjl quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2016-02-21T08:41:45Z attila_lendvai joined #lisp 2016-02-21T08:41:45Z attila_lendvai quit (Changing host) 2016-02-21T08:41:45Z attila_lendvai joined #lisp 2016-02-21T08:42:27Z cmpitg is now known as cmpitg|zZzZz 2016-02-21T08:42:29Z cmpitg|zZzZz is now known as cmpitg 2016-02-21T08:43:24Z Th30n joined #lisp 2016-02-21T08:43:24Z m_zr0 quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2016-02-21T08:44:10Z m_zr0 joined #lisp 2016-02-21T08:46:42Z stepnem joined #lisp 2016-02-21T08:46:58Z AntiSpamMeta quit (Excess Flood) 2016-02-21T08:47:20Z AntiSpamMeta joined #lisp 2016-02-21T08:49:04Z gingerale quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-02-21T08:59:04Z spyrosoft joined #lisp 2016-02-21T08:59:26Z Passer_ joined #lisp 2016-02-21T08:59:27Z Passer quit (Disconnected by services) 2016-02-21T08:59:34Z Passer_ is now known as Passer 2016-02-21T09:00:22Z _sjs quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2016-02-21T09:00:51Z Shinmera joined #lisp 2016-02-21T09:02:11Z Passer quit (Client Quit) 2016-02-21T09:04:52Z JitanRo quit (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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someone please explain how it interacts with ASDF / Quicklisp? 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Do I have to create an ASD file for every individual script? 2016-02-21T14:58:01Z fe[nl]ix: it's probably better 2016-02-21T14:58:13Z wildlander joined #lisp 2016-02-21T14:58:14Z wildlander quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 2016-02-21T14:58:28Z pareidolia: Fare's examples are not working for me 2016-02-21T14:58:40Z pareidolia: Parameter "-sm" does not exist for cl-launch 4.1.2 2016-02-21T14:58:53Z asdfa joined #lisp 2016-02-21T14:58:58Z wildlander joined #lisp 2016-02-21T14:59:01Z asdfa quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2016-02-21T14:59:54Z pareidolia: I take it that the new form is "-sp" ? 2016-02-21T15:00:21Z grublet quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2016-02-21T15:00:34Z hiroakip joined #lisp 2016-02-21T15:01:46Z pareidolia: Hmm. 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You'd normally put the start of the argument on the same line as symbol-macrolet itself, but if you don't you should indent it four spaces, to make clear that it's not part of the body. 2016-02-21T16:37:00Z josteink joined #lisp 2016-02-21T16:37:08Z _sjs quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2016-02-21T16:37:36Z axion: i see, thanks 2016-02-21T16:38:37Z jtza8 joined #lisp 2016-02-21T16:38:55Z asdfa joined #lisp 2016-02-21T16:39:02Z asdfa quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2016-02-21T16:41:53Z harish quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-02-21T16:43:20Z JitanRo quit (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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It hasn't been starting the repl for me 2016-02-21T19:25:09Z pareidolia quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-02-21T19:26:24Z pjb joined #lisp 2016-02-21T19:29:16Z lisp066 quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2016-02-21T19:30:00Z william3 quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-02-21T19:30:18Z william3 joined #lisp 2016-02-21T19:31:05Z william3 quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-02-21T19:32:00Z Th30n quit (Quit: leaving) 2016-02-21T19:34:30Z vlatkoB_ quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-02-21T19:34:59Z gravicappa quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2016-02-21T19:35:03Z hnagamin quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2016-02-21T19:35:43Z hnagamin joined #lisp 2016-02-21T19:36:03Z heurist quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 2016-02-21T19:36:57Z watersoul quit (Quit: leaving) 2016-02-21T19:37:53Z watersoul joined #lisp 2016-02-21T19:38:55Z asdfa joined #lisp 2016-02-21T19:39:02Z asdfa quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2016-02-21T19:39:40Z william3 joined #lisp 2016-02-21T19:40:04Z Passer joined #lisp 2016-02-21T19:40:12Z watersoul quit (Client Quit) 2016-02-21T19:42:44Z moore33 quit (Quit: Leaving) 2016-02-21T19:43:08Z brh quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2016-02-21T19:49:27Z kamog joined #lisp 2016-02-21T19:50:31Z mastokley quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2016-02-21T19:55:21Z watersoul joined #lisp 2016-02-21T19:55:29Z PlasmaStar quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2016-02-21T19:55:52Z kenanb joined #lisp 2016-02-21T19:56:25Z kenanb: should I expect cmucl to do slot type checks while making instance when safety 3? 2016-02-21T19:56:48Z kenanb: because it somehow doesn't. and AFAIK cmucl is really strict about that stuff 2016-02-21T19:57:07Z kenanb: tested on 20d btw, maybe there was a bug with specific version 2016-02-21T19:57:25Z briantrice quit (Quit: briantrice) 2016-02-21T19:57:32Z EvW joined #lisp 2016-02-21T19:57:37Z jtza8 joined #lisp 2016-02-21T19:58:01Z ACE_Recliner joined #lisp 2016-02-21T19:58:15Z d3lf0 quit 2016-02-21T19:58:52Z asdfa joined #lisp 2016-02-21T19:59:03Z asdfa quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2016-02-21T20:01:05Z defaultxr joined #lisp 2016-02-21T20:01:06Z Bike: there's no requirement in the standard to do that 2016-02-21T20:03:14Z kenanb: Bike: yeah I know but I wasn't asking because of some standard compliancy expectations, I am more curious of what I should expect from cmucl about that 2016-02-21T20:03:21Z heurist joined #lisp 2016-02-21T20:04:48Z Bike: i see the manual saying it does check for CLOS, though not specifically for structs 2016-02-21T20:05:23Z clintm joined #lisp 2016-02-21T20:05:32Z kenanb: this is for standard classes 2016-02-21T20:06:03Z kenanb: so that part should apply 2016-02-21T20:06:16Z kenanb: probably I am testing in a stupid way 2016-02-21T20:06:18Z Warlock_29A quit (Quit: out) 2016-02-21T20:07:27Z PlasmaStar joined #lisp 2016-02-21T20:09:17Z lisse quit (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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of ContextL layered classes by different implementations, I was trying to make sure I know how they normally behave as a frame of reference 2016-02-21T20:17:40Z ieure quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 2016-02-21T20:18:15Z PlasmaStar joined #lisp 2016-02-21T20:18:59Z asdfa joined #lisp 2016-02-21T20:19:02Z asdfa quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2016-02-21T20:20:39Z Don_John quit (Client Quit) 2016-02-21T20:21:30Z _z joined #lisp 2016-02-21T20:21:56Z kdp joined #lisp 2016-02-21T20:22:04Z hiroakip quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2016-02-21T20:22:42Z kdp left #lisp 2016-02-21T20:23:38Z pjb is now known as bar` 2016-02-21T20:24:20Z bar` is now known as pjb 2016-02-21T20:24:40Z quazimodo joined #lisp 2016-02-21T20:25:13Z quasus joined #lisp 2016-02-21T20:31:14Z mtl_ quit (Quit: gotta reboot) 2016-02-21T20:35:19Z Opodeldoc_ joined #lisp 2016-02-21T20:35:29Z pjb: - 2016-02-21T20:35:49Z _z: are there any active mailing lists for lisp programming in general? 2016-02-21T20:37:31Z ieure 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