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2015-12-26T01:23:43Z phoe_krk: (just so everyone knows, it's more or less safe to come back to #lispcafe now, it seems we've scared snv off for the time being.)
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2015-12-26T01:34:28Z yvm: How can I convert string to symbol (for example "foo" to foo) without interning it?
2015-12-26T01:34:35Z Bicyclid1ne: find-symbol.
2015-12-26T01:34:51Z Bicyclid1ne: Or do you mean you want a symbol that's not in any package?
2015-12-26T01:35:09Z Bicyclid1ne: if so, use make-symbol.
2015-12-26T01:35:43Z phoe_krk: Bicyclid1ne: it will make me a #:symbol?
2015-12-26T01:36:03Z Bicyclid1ne: that is what make-symbol does, yes.
2015-12-26T01:36:06Z yvm: Yes, make-symbol does what I want. Thank you.
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2015-12-26T01:36:09Z phoe_krk: got it.
2015-12-26T01:36:41Z Bicyclidine: which of course means that (eq (make-symbol "foo") (make-symbol "foo")) => NIL.
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2015-12-26T01:53:45Z muyinliu: How to wrap output type LPTSTR(from Windows API) in cffi? `DWORD WINAPI GetLogicalDriveStrings( _In_  DWORD  nBufferLength, _Out_ LPTSTR lpBuffer);`
2015-12-26T01:55:36Z Bicyclidine: muyinliu: LPTSTR is defined on this page https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa383751%28v=vs.85%29.aspx depending on whether UNICODE is defined.
2015-12-26T01:56:08Z Bicyclidine: so a char* or a wchar_t*, depending.
2015-12-26T01:56:20Z Bicyclidine: either way a pointer. so you could just use cffi :pointer i suppose.
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2015-12-26T01:57:44Z muyinliu: Bicyclidine: Bicyclidine: Yes. I have seen that page. I writed some code but it seems that now paste.lisp.org is 503 so it's there other paste website that I can paste my code?
2015-12-26T01:58:07Z Bicyclidine: Um. How about lpaste.net?
2015-12-26T01:58:29Z muyinliu: iPaste.net is fine. wait a second.
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2015-12-26T02:01:00Z muyinliu: Here is my code:  http://lpaste.net/147849
2015-12-26T02:02:29Z Bicyclidine: Hm... the windows function returns a bunch of null terminated strings in one buffer. foreign-string-to-lisp might stop at the first.
2015-12-26T02:03:31Z muyinliu: OK, how to get the correct string?
2015-12-26T02:04:22Z Bicyclidine: yeah. looks like i was right.
2015-12-26T02:05:19Z Bicyclidine: I think you'll have to write your own parser (in lisp). I'm not sure of the best way to do it.
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2015-12-26T02:06:05Z Bicyclidine: First you'll have to decide if it's utf-16 or some 8 bit encoding. then you can run through the bytes looking for nulls, and call foreign-string-to-lisp on the correct sections.
2015-12-26T02:06:54Z muyinliu: Looks difficult...
2015-12-26T02:07:40Z Bicyclidine: a pain in the ass, for sure
2015-12-26T02:08:04Z Bicyclidine: but not so hard.
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2015-12-26T02:11:52Z muyinliu: I'm not sure whether this is helpful: http://lpaste.net/147850
2015-12-26T02:12:37Z Bicyclidine: that's an array of strings. different.
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2015-12-26T02:26:49Z muyinliu: http://lpaste.net/147851
2015-12-26T02:27:04Z muyinliu: How to get data as vector with pointer here?
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2015-12-26T02:37:38Z ryan1: Is there anyway to pipe the output from a shell command (ext:shell "myscript") into a stream? I've had luck redirecting print into a string stream, but not when an external script calls echo it seems
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2015-12-26T02:49:59Z Bicyclidine: ryan1: should be, which ext: is this? clisp?
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2015-12-26T02:55:15Z ryan1: Yup
2015-12-26T02:55:41Z ryan1: I'm trying to write a custom script for i3blocks
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2015-12-26T02:56:57Z ryan1: What's not working is "pulseaudio-ctl full-status | volume.lisp" Whenever I try to print *args*, I just get NIL
2015-12-26T02:57:40Z Bicyclidine: from the docs, it looks like you'd use ext:run-shell-command with :output :stream.
2015-12-26T03:00:34Z ryan1: Ah, so I can just have :output set to a string stream then all should be good
2015-12-26T03:00:38Z ryan1: Thanks a lot!
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2015-12-26T03:11:27Z Fare: ryan1: use uiop:run-program
2015-12-26T03:11:43Z muyinliu: Bicyclidine: I write a trick to solve the problem that null-terminated in C string buffer can NOT parse to lisp string correctly, here is the code: http://lpaste.net/147852. Thanks a lot!
2015-12-26T03:11:48Z Fare: it's portable, and it will do what you want.
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2015-12-26T03:12:35Z Fare: and if you want a stream, use :output #'some-function-that-processes-the-stream
2015-12-26T03:13:22Z Bicyclidine: muyinliu: won't work for wstrings, just so you know.
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2015-12-26T03:14:34Z Bicyclidine: muyinliu: actually, since the buffer past the null termination is garbage, you might run into problems if you do that
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2015-12-26T03:15:07Z Bicyclidine: unless with-foreign-string clears memory...
2015-12-26T03:15:29Z Fare: ryan1, if you want to do scripting in CL, try cl-launch, and use it to dump multicall binary images http://fare.livejournal.com/184127.html
2015-12-26T03:17:04Z muyinliu: Bicyclidine: Yes. I know it's just a trick fit GetLogicalDriveStrings. This trick will NOT be used in other situations. Thanks.
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2015-12-26T03:18:04Z Bicyclidine: muyinliu: it wouldn't take much more adjustment to check for two null bytes in a row and just stop there
2015-12-26T03:20:16Z muyinliu: Bicyclidine: yes.
2015-12-26T03:20:32Z Bicyclidine: (loop with last-null = nil for i from 0 below buffer-size do (when (zerop (mem-ref buffer i)) (if last-null (return i) (setf (mem-ref buf i) #x20 last-null t))) i think would do it
2015-12-26T03:21:09Z muyinliu: Bicyclidine: Thanks
2015-12-26T03:21:26Z Bicyclidine: my concern is that if with-foreign-string doesn't actually zero the whole buffer before you start, your solution could get you trash in the string
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2015-12-26T03:27:45Z muyinliu: Bicyclidine: code here: http://lpaste.net/147853.
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2015-12-26T03:29:30Z Bicyclidine: yeah, i think that works for single-byte characters, coolio
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2015-12-26T03:39:26Z beach: Good morning everyone!
2015-12-26T03:39:37Z blub: hi beach
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2015-12-26T07:10:08Z moore33: beach: I managed to tag version 0.0.0 of https://github.com/timoore/lpsg last night...
2015-12-26T07:11:11Z beach: Great!
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2015-12-26T07:12:27Z beach: Not huge.
2015-12-26T07:13:35Z moore33: It doesn't do much yet, but I wanted to get my ideas out there at least. I need to do a couple of more days hacking so that I can 1) create multiple shapes and 2) delete them from the renderer.
2015-12-26T07:14:17Z beach: Sounds good.  I will definitely have a look at the code and try the example.
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2015-12-26T07:17:09Z beach: Where does one get "mathkit"?
2015-12-26T07:17:35Z beach: The other dependencies are available in Quicklisp.
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2015-12-26T07:18:29Z moore33: I thought I got it from Quicklisp, but otherwise https://github.com/lispgames/mathkit
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2015-12-26T07:19:38Z moore33: Yeah, quicklisp.
2015-12-26T07:19:47Z beach: Hmm.
2015-12-26T07:20:16Z beach: OK, worked.  :mathkit didn't work, but "mathkit" did.
2015-12-26T07:21:28Z beach: In lpsg.asd, you should put something like (cl:in-package #:asdf-user)
2015-12-26T07:21:51Z moore33: I need to get used to Xach's wonderful invention. Whoops, you are correct.
2015-12-26T07:22:42Z beach: I get some warnings that you might want to fix: undefined function lpsg::ensure-description.
2015-12-26T07:22:51Z beach: And a bunch of style warnings.
2015-12-26T07:22:58Z moore33: "In my day, we didn't have no Quicklisp..."
2015-12-26T07:23:13Z moore33: beach: Yeah, WIP :)
2015-12-26T07:23:40Z beach: Manly unused variables.  You may want to stick a (declare (ignore ...)) for those.
2015-12-26T07:24:35Z beach: Same in-package for lpsg-examples.asd
2015-12-26T07:25:57Z moore33: One thing I need to fix is that the declaration of usets, which is the means by which one sets variables in OpenGL shader programs, are done at compile/load time via forms that are similar to DEFCLASS, but that's not helpful if one creates a shader program at runtime (loads an example from the Internet :), which is a reasonable thing to want  to do.
2015-12-26T07:27:08Z beach: Definitely.
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2015-12-26T07:28:27Z beach: HEY IT WORKS!!!!
2015-12-26T07:28:46Z moore33: beach: But I do want usets to be CLOS objects, so I think I will need to depend on Closer-to-Mop or something to define new classes at runtime.
2015-12-26T07:28:54Z moore33: Congrats! My first user :)
2015-12-26T07:29:02Z beach: Thanks! :)
2015-12-26T07:29:07Z moore33: What hardware, by the way?
2015-12-26T07:29:17Z beach: I have no idea.
2015-12-26T07:29:20Z beach: How do I find out?
2015-12-26T07:29:29Z moore33: glxinfo
2015-12-26T07:29:51Z moore33: grep for "renderer string"
2015-12-26T07:30:10Z beach: Hold on, I need to install mesa-utils first.
2015-12-26T07:30:18Z moore33: Also "core profile version" would be good to know.
2015-12-26T07:30:25Z moore33: Yeah, you do :)
2015-12-26T07:30:41Z beach: OpenGL renderer string: GeForce GTS 450/PCIe/SSE2
2015-12-26T07:31:18Z beach: OpenGL core profile version string: 4.3.0 NVIDIA 340.96
2015-12-26T07:31:23Z moore33: Ah, ok, not to surprising that it works.
2015-12-26T07:31:27Z moore33: s/to/too
2015-12-26T07:31:35Z beach: How so?
2015-12-26T07:31:40Z beach: Is this good or bad?
2015-12-26T07:31:59Z beach: My hardware, that is.
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2015-12-26T07:32:18Z moore33: beach: Good from your point of view :) The hardware is more than capable, and I'm using the same driver, more or less.
2015-12-26T07:32:34Z moore33: You used to have some funky matrox thing :)
2015-12-26T07:32:35Z beach: OK, great.
2015-12-26T07:33:00Z beach: I guess I don't keep track. :(
2015-12-26T07:33:26Z moore33: Also, I could imagine that  you would use the open-source driver, which is coming along but...
2015-12-26T07:34:11Z moore33: At one time I had this code working  with CCL on Windows; need to check that again at some point.
2015-12-26T07:35:46Z beach: I want a PC with two 4K monitors, but nobody wants to build one for me.
2015-12-26T07:35:55Z beach: They say it can't be done.
2015-12-26T07:36:58Z moore33: That's odd.
2015-12-26T07:37:37Z beach: Well, that was a year or so ago.  Maybe now it is possible.
2015-12-26T07:37:45Z moore33: beach: At all, or working with Linux?
2015-12-26T07:37:55Z beach: At all apparently.
2015-12-26T07:38:06Z moore33: I will need to ask Isaac about that :)
2015-12-26T07:38:11Z beach: Heh!
2015-12-26T07:38:21Z beach: They said no graphics card was able to do it.
2015-12-26T07:38:27Z beach: ... again at the time.
2015-12-26T07:38:35Z beach: But yes, please try to find out.
2015-12-26T07:39:01Z moore33: I can believe that, but you can put 2 cards in a machine.
2015-12-26T07:39:13Z beach: Do you want help setting up a Makefile etc, for LaTeX? It looked like you were planning to use it for the documentation.
2015-12-26T07:39:19Z moore33: But you might need to run them as two X screens.
2015-12-26T07:39:26Z beach: Yes, I don't want that.
2015-12-26T07:39:37Z beach: But I guess it would not be too bad.
2015-12-26T07:40:03Z beach: I rarely move a window from one monitor to another.  Even less so with 2 4K monitors. :)
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2015-12-26T07:40:20Z moore33: beach: That is very much in flux. I am still undecided about whether to put all the docs in a README.md, generate docs from markdown, do the same thing from latex, or what.
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2015-12-26T07:40:57Z beach: OK.  I have a pretty good pdflatex setup in case you decide on that.
2015-12-26T07:41:24Z beach: You will probably need something where you can include pictures etc.
2015-12-26T07:41:25Z moore33: I have really found it useful to be able to quickly google around for the docs of all the packages I'm using -- says the caveman as he emerges frozen from the glacier...
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2015-12-26T07:43:48Z moore33: For example, Shinmera wrote the whole manual for qtools in the README: https://github.com/Shinmera/qtools. And that seems convenient for users.
2015-12-26T07:44:06Z beach: Sure, I see what you mean.
2015-12-26T07:44:52Z beach: moore33: I don't think it is useful for me to explore lpsg further at this point, right?  But I will definitely follow what happens and give you feedback.
2015-12-26T07:45:30Z beach: Oh, and you should probably include installation instructions, like what Quicklisp stuff needs to be installed, and how to run the example.
2015-12-26T07:45:31Z moore33: beach: Probably not, unless you want to write the manual :) Just kidding, I will be improving the docs.
2015-12-26T07:46:05Z moore33: beach: Yes, will do.
2015-12-26T07:46:07Z beach: OK.  This is very exciting!  I am looking forward to improvements in code and documentation.
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2015-12-26T07:47:41Z beach: That sounds great to me.
2015-12-26T07:49:52Z beach: Maybe even do the same thing for McCLIM one day.
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2015-12-26T07:57:28Z moore33: Sorry, was getting dressed :)
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2015-12-26T07:57:52Z moore33: Do you think there's a point to that?
2015-12-26T07:58:10Z beach: Maybe.  You don't?
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2015-12-26T08:00:05Z beach: Anyway, maybe not important at this point in time.
2015-12-26T08:00:39Z moore33: First, I think it would be a lot more work, though it has been a while since I looked at McClim and Climatis.
2015-12-26T08:01:38Z beach: Maybe so.  Though I am planning to modify McCLIM so that it uses a single top-level window.
2015-12-26T08:01:57Z beach: That way, it will be easier to port to backends other than X11.
2015-12-26T08:03:08Z moore33: Second, I think it's more interesting to bring the good parts of McClim into Climatis. As far as compatibility with CLIM2 goes, in practice it's hard to achieve that compatibility with real applications; too many dependencies on stuff that's not well documented in the "standard."
2015-12-26T08:03:46Z beach: Yeah, you are probably right.
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2015-12-26T10:57:47Z phoe_krk: morning
2015-12-26T10:58:15Z lurker: morning
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2015-12-26T11:00:46Z beach: Hello phoe_krk.
2015-12-26T11:00:47Z beach: Hello lurker.
2015-12-26T11:01:07Z lurker: Hie beach.
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2015-12-26T11:02:27Z beach: I wrote the following CLIM demo just for kicks: https://github.com/robert-strandh/CLIM-demo-adventure
2015-12-26T11:02:53Z beach: I will add more GUIs to it, each one with more CLIM features being used.
2015-12-26T11:03:11Z beach: With version 1 of the GUI, the entire application is 170 lines long.
2015-12-26T11:03:18Z vydd: hello
2015-12-26T11:03:27Z beach: Hello vydd.
2015-12-26T11:05:13Z beach: I also intend to write full documentation, and lots of comments, explaining exactly what features of CLIM are used and what the effect is.
2015-12-26T11:05:28Z vydd: beach: neat! I keep postponing studying CLIM, short examples like that are welcome
2015-12-26T11:06:25Z beach: Thanks.  Yes, they can't hurt.
2015-12-26T11:09:12Z beach: I picked an application that I hope most people will recognize as an ancient computer game.  That way, I don't need to explain what the application does.
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2015-12-26T11:10:14Z beach: I am wiped out and I need a break.  I'll be back later.
2015-12-26T11:10:29Z vydd: later!
2015-12-26T11:14:56Z sid_cypher: ooh, more OpenGL stuff.
2015-12-26T11:16:00Z sid_cypher: moore33: i've tried "lpsg", had to pull in "glop" dependency manually for the cube.lisp example :)
2015-12-26T11:16:45Z sid_cypher: unfortunally, windows contents were not drawn, got #<LPSG::RENDER-ERROR {1006BE62E3}>
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2015-12-26T11:25:43Z sid_cypher: oh, shader compile errors, i'm using Mesa's "OpenGL ES GLSL ES 3.00" and thats probably different from nVidia's
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2015-12-26T11:51:24Z synchromesh: moore33: Have you seen Chris Bagley's Varjo (https://github.com/cbaggers/varjo)?
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2015-12-26T12:37:47Z Trioxin: is LispWorks a competently managed and useful up to date product?
2015-12-26T12:40:46Z synchromesh: Trioxin: Yes.
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2015-12-26T12:41:30Z synchromesh: Trioxin: And I say that as someone who pays for an annual maintenance contract with LispWorks.
2015-12-26T12:41:38Z Tyrius: hi
2015-12-26T12:42:00Z Tyrius: how can I input something into a list
2015-12-26T12:42:17Z phoe_krk: Tyrius: define input.
2015-12-26T12:42:33Z phoe_krk: What does your list look like before you input, and after you input?
2015-12-26T12:42:35Z Tyrius: (push bf (read)) doesn't work and I don't want text so I can't use read-line
2015-12-26T12:43:16Z Tyrius: bf is nil -> (defvar bf ())
2015-12-26T12:43:45Z Tyrius: i'm just beginning with lisp sorry if this sounds stupid
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2015-12-26T12:44:39Z Tyrius: or is there a function to convert a string to a name ?
2015-12-26T12:45:11Z phoe_krk: Tyrius: don't worry about being a beginner, everyone was there at some point.
2015-12-26T12:45:34Z phoe_krk: there are, but I don't have the time to answer you right now; I need to pay some attention to real life.
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2015-12-26T12:47:06Z synchromesh: Tyrius: If you haven't yet, you should check out Peter Siebel's book (http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/). It explains the basics pretty well.
2015-12-26T12:47:17Z phoe_krk: oh yes! Practical Common Lisp.
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2015-12-26T12:50:40Z synchromesh: "Every #lisp answer to a newbie question contains an ad-hoc, incomplete, bug-ridden account of material from PCL" - me paraphrasing Greenspun's 10th Rule (http://philip.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=000tgU)
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2015-12-26T12:56:37Z p_l: Tyrius: also, when it comes to symbolic manipulation, I really recommend Simple Introduction to Symbolic Computation, purely because of the informative illustrations
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2015-12-26T12:57:51Z p_l: slightly related: https://twitter.com/RainerJoswig/status/680697735272611840
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2015-12-26T12:58:28Z p_l: I bet source of that Hypadapter is lost, but a new application like that would be awesome
2015-12-26T12:59:36Z synchromesh: Yes, internalising those cons cell diagrams is an important milestone in the path to grokking Lisp.
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2015-12-26T13:26:33Z beach: Tyrius: Try (push (read) bf)
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2015-12-26T13:26:39Z beach: clhs push
2015-12-26T13:26:39Z specbot: http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/m_push.htm
2015-12-26T13:27:16Z beach: Tyrius: As you can see on that ↑ page, the item to push is the first argument.
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2015-12-26T14:24:21Z Tyrius: beach: thanks it worked, so it was just a stupid mistake from me :p
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2015-12-26T14:27:01Z rememberYou: Hello, I don't really understand this command in LISP, maybe someone can exlain me it ? https://bpaste.net/show/c0ce24ea7d4a
2015-12-26T14:29:04Z beach: Is it Emacs Lisp?
2015-12-26T14:29:11Z beach: This channel is dedicated to Common Lisp.
2015-12-26T14:29:30Z beach: You are better off asking in a channel for Emacs.
2015-12-26T14:30:22Z rememberYou: Thank you for the advice and sorry for the disturb then. Merry Christmas.
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2015-12-26T14:56:06Z moore33: sid_cypher: OpenGL ES is definitely not supported, though I am interested in that in the future. What platform are you running on?
2015-12-26T14:57:16Z moore33: Also, apologies for not managing all the quicklisp stuff better.
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2015-12-26T15:02:27Z nyef: G'morning all.
2015-12-26T15:03:57Z nyef: beach: You're doing a text adventure game in CLIM?
2015-12-26T15:04:03Z beach: Hello nyef.
2015-12-26T15:04:20Z beach: nyef: Yes, but not for the game itself.  As a demo of CLIM features.
2015-12-26T15:04:36Z nyef: Neat.
2015-12-26T15:04:53Z beach: I was looking for some application that most people would understand so that I didn't have to explain it.
2015-12-26T15:05:01Z nyef: I'm reminded of http://lisphacker.com/projects/pretzil/ (which is almost ten years old now, how time flies!)
2015-12-26T15:05:34Z nyef: I think I ended up finding an McCLIM bug with PRETZIL.
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2015-12-26T15:05:50Z beach: Interesting.
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2015-12-26T15:07:34Z beach: nyef: Yes, I am very well aware of how time flies, and that is part of the reason I am trying to turn whatever code I have into usable chunks with tests and documentation.
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2015-12-26T15:17:06Z sid_cypher: moore33: I ran your code on linux 4.3.0, x86_64, free "radeon" drivers with Gallium Mesa
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2015-12-26T15:19:43Z moore33: sid_cypher: Good data point. Did you get that string out of glxinfo? I would be interested to see if you are really getting an ES context; in any event, the demo shaders require OpenGL 3.3. You might get it to work by bumping the version numbers down.
2015-12-26T15:20:06Z moore33: synchromesh: Thanks for the pointer. I've seen 3b's efforts in the same direction.
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2015-12-26T15:20:50Z sid_cypher: moore33: glxinfo says "OpenGL renderer string: Gallium 0.4 on AMD CEDAR (DRM 2.43.0, LLVM 3.7.0)", more info in PM :)
2015-12-26T15:22:56Z synchromesh: moore33: No problem. I don't know how much Chris's CEPL overlaps with your intentions (https://github.com/cbaggers/cepl).
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2015-12-26T15:28:37Z moore33: synchromesh: I have seen videos of that, I think; lpsg has a somewhat different emphasis.
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2015-12-26T15:37:33Z lurker: Can you share videos of the last ELS? i don't find them on youtube; maybe are they shared on the more free platform...
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2015-12-26T15:38:24Z beach: They may not be out there yet.
2015-12-26T15:38:35Z lurker: ok thanks.
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2015-12-26T16:53:38Z attila_lendvai: LiamH: hi! is it ok for this to return nil? (libffi-type-pointer (parse-type return-type))
2015-12-26T16:54:11Z LiamH: attila_lendvai: Hi. Not sure, let me look
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2015-12-26T16:54:16Z attila_lendvai: LiamH: if it is, then the nil needs to be translated to NULL. if not, then I'm lost
2015-12-26T16:54:50Z attila_lendvai: LiamH: this is the type, which parses properly: (cffi::parse-type '(:POINTER HU.DWIM.SDL.FFI::|SDL_Surface|))
2015-12-26T16:55:03Z attila_lendvai: i.e. it's a pointer type already
2015-12-26T16:55:38Z attila_lendvai tries to reproduce it in the cffi tests
2015-12-26T16:55:42Z LiamH: I think probably not
2015-12-26T16:55:44Z Meek: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/1KGvjfGC/IMG_0061.JPG
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2015-12-26T16:56:16Z LiamH: It is a pointer that points to a libffi type.
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2015-12-26T16:58:54Z LiamH: attila_lendvai: So maybe the (T) method of libffi-type-pointer should check the return from gethash and signal an error if it's nil.
2015-12-26T17:00:09Z LiamH: In some cases, like the foreign-struct-type method, it will call set-libffi-type-pointer if it isn't in the hash table, so you shouldn't get a nil return from that.
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2015-12-26T17:04:08Z LiamH: The libffi library has a bunch of defined symbols for e.g. int, float, etc. The libffi-type-pointer gets the pointer into that library for all those types, or for those of the user-defined structures. So nil doesn't make any sense as a return value.
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2015-12-26T17:04:09Z attila_lendvai: LiamH: I have a test in cffi, will look into a fix now. probably the type needs to be simplified somewhere to a simple :pointer
2015-12-26T17:04:44Z LiamH: Yeah, the return value should be identical to what :pointer returns. The type of pointer doesn't matter.
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2015-12-26T17:05:47Z LiamH: I should say, the thing type of the thing the pointer points to doesn't matter.
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2015-12-26T17:20:23Z attila_lendvai: LiamH: using pointers in that hashtable only works because of ";; A bit of premature optimization here." applied to void* :)
2015-12-26T17:20:40Z attila_lendvai: LiamH: I'll push the fix in a moment, just record some comments
2015-12-26T17:21:53Z attila_lendvai: I think I'll actually skip parse-type there and just put :pointer into the cache
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2015-12-26T17:29:33Z LiamH: attila_lendvai: Oh phew, I didn't write those words :-)
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2015-12-26T17:30:10Z attila_lendvai: LiamH: I know :) I'll just use :pointer as key in the cache to be on the safe side
2015-12-26T17:30:41Z LiamH: I was worried it was a hack I had put in.
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2015-12-26T17:40:13Z attila_lendvai: LiamH: you mean the whole fsvb? nah! at least you did it while everyone else didn't do it... :)
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2015-12-26T17:40:49Z attila_lendvai: and if I had to so this from zero, I'd... probably just not do it.
2015-12-26T17:42:59Z attila_lendvai: LiamH: isn't that whole cache non-threadsafe? those are malloc'd libffi struct's used for talking to libffi, right?
2015-12-26T17:45:52Z attila_lendvai: LiamH: ah, nm, I guess those are constants and as such doesn't matter
2015-12-26T17:46:16Z attila_lendvai: the only issue left then is that hashtable's are not threadsafe as-is
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2015-12-26T17:50:23Z LiamH: No, I mean the specific comment you cited.
2015-12-26T17:51:34Z LiamH: There was some concern about threadsafety a while ago.
2015-12-26T17:51:54Z attila_lendvai: I hope you don't mind I'm messing around in it. I'm also recording comments at these places...
2015-12-26T17:51:58Z LiamH: I think 3b might have mentioned it, maybe even made an issue.
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2015-12-26T17:53:03Z LiamH: My view is that it's not really important, the hash table is just used to cache definitions and if one is not there, it makes it and inserts it. So competing threads might end up trying to insert identical entries in the hash table, but so what?
2015-12-26T17:53:22Z LiamH: And keep in mind this is at compile time.
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2015-12-26T18:02:06Z attila_lendvai: LiamH: concurrent access can corrupt the hashtable. but the fact that it's at compile time is a reasonable argument
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2015-12-26T18:08:37Z LiamH: There was some discussion about how to work around the problem, but I didn't find any convincing.
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2015-12-26T18:40:22Z jasom: MikeSeth: it's complicated
2015-12-26T18:40:44Z jasom: MikeSeth: people are using it still, but the documentation is hopelessly out-of-date
2015-12-26T18:41:00Z varjagg: probably not the best choice for a new project these days
2015-12-26T18:42:08Z jasom: varjagg: it depends on what you want.  IMO it is still really good for doing simple CRUD apps, particularly if you want graceful fallback
2015-12-26T18:42:28Z jasom: it's very web 1.5 though
2015-12-26T18:44:19Z varjagg: well, i mean it has substantial learning curve, with dated docs and yes dated looks
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2015-12-26T18:45:02Z jasom: indeed.  I like the concept of it, but ended up switching to a fairly simple clack-based backend and a react frontend
2015-12-26T18:45:32Z jasom: the sheer number of people using react means there's a lot more stuff available for it, and it's easy to use from parenscript
2015-12-26T18:46:46Z attila_lendvai: LiamH: pushed two fixes
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2015-12-26T18:53:10Z attila_lendvai of course notices a small aesthetic after pushing...
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2015-12-26T19:01:53Z MikeSeth: yeah I am going to have trouble with weblocks
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2015-12-26T21:08:38Z LiamH: |3b| did you have a launchpad issue with threadsafety in cffi-libffi?
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2015-12-26T21:09:49Z |3b|: hmm, don't remember one
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2015-12-26T21:10:51Z LiamH: OK whoops, not you
2015-12-26T21:11:16Z LiamH: attila_lendvai: https://bugs.launchpad.net/cffi/+bug/1474211
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2015-12-26T21:20:09Z attila_lendvai: LiamH: I knew that it must be somewhere, but I looked at the wrong place... :) thanks, I'll keep that in mind. some of this should be moved to compile time.
2015-12-26T21:22:35Z moore33: |3b|: hey there. You might be interested in https://github.com/timoore/lpsg. It makes heavy use of cl-opengl.
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2015-12-26T21:26:27Z |3b|: moore33: yeah, saw that, will have to look into it more at some point
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2015-12-26T21:27:25Z |3b|: from a quick look earlier, it looks like it is still using a bit older GL than i'm currently targetting though :)
2015-12-26T21:27:46Z |3b|: or at least than i would be if i was doing any coding at the moment :/
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2015-12-26T21:36:06Z moore33: |3b|: Hmmm, core profile only. It does uniforms instead of ubos or something more exotic, but that's cuz they are the easiest to get working... and quite fast too.
2015-12-26T21:36:17Z moore33: does use uniforms, that is.
2015-12-26T21:37:28Z |3b|: yeah, i'd be using persistent mapped UBOs or something, along with the nvidia command list extension, stfuf like that in preparation for vulkan
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2015-12-26T23:11:31Z phoe_krk: hey, what's a list of bigger Lisp (Lisp as in a language family) projects that I can show someone?
2015-12-26T23:17:18Z pjb: http://franz.com/success/
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