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Android does not have the JVM. 2015-04-10T19:11:40Z jackdaniel: emaczen: there is also ECL port for android (on experimental branch on git for now), which works pretty well 2015-04-10T19:11:56Z jackdaniel: for example maxima-on-android works with it 2015-04-10T19:12:35Z emaczen: jackdaniel: Are there other examples that I can look at? 2015-04-10T19:12:41Z zadock joined #lisp 2015-04-10T19:13:12Z ehu: jasom: ABCL goes where the JVM goes. 2015-04-10T19:13:29Z ehu: jasom: it's cross OS, not cross platform, if you will. 2015-04-10T19:13:44Z Shinmera: It's not cross-VM would be the right expression. 2015-04-10T19:13:54Z jackdaniel: hmm, there is also sample app in contrib directory, but didn't checked it 2015-04-10T19:14:02Z jackdaniel: didn't check it° 2015-04-10T19:14:09Z jasom: I haven't used ABCL much, but many JVM apps break as soon as you run them on a JVM that it was never tested on 2015-04-10T19:14:11Z ndrei quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2015-04-10T19:16:00Z ehu: jasom: is that a problem of the underlying VMs not being compatible with the standard? 2015-04-10T19:16:18Z Bicyclidine quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2015-04-10T19:16:27Z jasom: ehu: I have no clue why, just that e.g. many old java programs won't run on newer VMs 2015-04-10T19:17:04Z slimetree quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2015-04-10T19:17:55Z ehu: ABCL ran fine on java 1.3 in the old days. The compiler has targetted java 1.5+ since forever. There was one particular code pattern which oracle's JRockit didn't grok, but that was us being too smart for our own good (saving 1 instruction). 2015-04-10T19:18:05Z Bicyclidine joined #lisp 2015-04-10T19:18:17Z ehu: there were no adaptations required to go from 1.5->1.6->1.7 or 1.8 2015-04-10T19:18:34Z munksgaard joined #lisp 2015-04-10T19:21:31Z ggole quit 2015-04-10T19:21:45Z emaczen: So maxima-android was made with ECL, are there any production SBCL apps I can look at? 2015-04-10T19:22:54Z gravicappa joined #lisp 2015-04-10T19:23:17Z s1n4 joined #lisp 2015-04-10T19:23:59Z x1n4u quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-04-10T19:24:03Z koz_ quit (Quit: Leaving) 2015-04-10T19:24:18Z koz_ joined #lisp 2015-04-10T19:24:27Z JJaskologist joined #lisp 2015-04-10T19:25:33Z ziocroc joined #lisp 2015-04-10T19:25:55Z slimetree joined #lisp 2015-04-10T19:26:38Z JJJJJJJJJJ joined #lisp 2015-04-10T19:27:13Z cadadar joined #lisp 2015-04-10T19:27:49Z Jaskologist quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 2015-04-10T19:30:23Z JJaskologist quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-04-10T19:31:36Z Bicyclidine quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2015-04-10T19:33:25Z slimetree quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2015-04-10T19:36:27Z ndrei joined #lisp 2015-04-10T19:40:06Z harish_ quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2015-04-10T19:41:09Z harish_ joined #lisp 2015-04-10T19:43:33Z Bicyclidine joined #lisp 2015-04-10T19:45:36Z Mon_Ouie quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2015-04-10T19:46:42Z ehaliewicz joined #lisp 2015-04-10T19:46:42Z jasom: Anytime I find code with K&R style function definitions, I get very slightly scared 2015-04-10T19:47:05Z slimetree joined #lisp 2015-04-10T19:47:16Z joneshf-laptop quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2015-04-10T19:48:05Z dlowe: I have that reaction to C code in general 2015-04-10T19:48:17Z jasom: dlowe: well it means it's *really* old 2015-04-10T19:48:20Z dlowe: at least you know they read the book 2015-04-10T19:48:32Z jasom: dlowe: no, in this case the code predates C89 2015-04-10T19:48:57Z jasom: hmm, that can't be right, since c89 predates ANSI CL 2015-04-10T19:49:10Z dlowe: hm? so does the book 2015-04-10T19:49:13Z jackdaniel: jasom: mindset of programmer predates c89 ;] 2015-04-10T19:49:19Z jasom: jackdaniel: heh 2015-04-10T19:49:34Z dlowe: The K&R book was 1978 2015-04-10T19:49:50Z jackdaniel: dlowe: I think jason refers to some CL interacting code 2015-04-10T19:49:55Z jasom: dlowe: I know; but K&R style declarations were deprecated in 89 2015-04-10T19:49:56Z jackdaniel: from context 2015-04-10T19:49:58Z vaporatorius quit (Quit: Leaving) 2015-04-10T19:50:09Z dlowe: ohhh. 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I know there is `rename-file'. 2015-04-10T21:53:11Z vr-rm_ joined #lisp 2015-04-10T21:54:45Z Puncher222 quit (Quit: Page closed) 2015-04-10T21:56:18Z manuel__ quit (Quit: manuel__) 2015-04-10T21:57:35Z monod joined #lisp 2015-04-10T21:58:24Z monod quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-04-10T21:58:43Z x1n4u quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-04-10T21:59:45Z didi quit (Quit: you can't /fire me, I /quit) 2015-04-10T22:00:21Z vap1 quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-04-10T22:01:04Z ndrei quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-04-10T22:02:46Z ziocroc quit (Quit: ziocroc) 2015-04-10T22:06:03Z Jaskologist joined #lisp 2015-04-10T22:06:59Z JJJJJJJJJJ quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-04-10T22:09:40Z Sgeo joined #lisp 2015-04-10T22:12:07Z stepnem quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2015-04-10T22:14:55Z innertracks quit (Quit: innertracks) 2015-04-10T22:17:08Z stepnem joined #lisp 2015-04-10T22:17:35Z pjb: didi: yes, there's com.informatimago.common-lisp.cesarum.file:copy-file. 2015-04-10T22:18:14Z HDurer: He's gone. I was going to suggest http://weitz.de/cl-fad/#copy-file 2015-04-10T22:18:20Z pjb: Public announcement: the Common Lisp standard contains this nice function: APROPOS (apropos "COPY-FILE") will give you nice results! 2015-04-10T22:18:31Z pjb: HDurer: there's also one in alexandria. 2015-04-10T22:18:44Z Bicyclidine: and uiop 2015-04-10T22:18:56Z chu quit (Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)) 2015-04-10T22:18:57Z Bicyclidine: and quicklisp, oh boy 2015-04-10T22:19:33Z pjb: :-) 2015-04-10T22:21:04Z HDurer: http://lispblog.xach.com/post/115671110838/go-to-libraries suggests uiop (or cl-fad) 2015-04-10T22:22:36Z emaczen: I was under the impression that giving a nickname to a package would allow you to refer to that package by the nickname i.e. instead of my-package:some-symbol you could write mp:some-symbol. This works in the REPL but not amongst my individual packages. 2015-04-10T22:28:53Z HDurer: emaczen: me too. It's not working? 2015-04-10T22:28:55Z mrSpec quit (Quit: mrSpec) 2015-04-10T22:28:56Z dkcl: emaczen: You were under the right impression 2015-04-10T22:29:31Z slimetree joined #lisp 2015-04-10T22:29:52Z emaczen: I named one of my packages utils and gave it a nickname ut 2015-04-10T22:30:09Z flash- quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-04-10T22:31:03Z emaczen: When I use symbols interned in the utils package, I have to prefix them with "utils" if I try "ut" it tells me that there is no package named "ut" 2015-04-10T22:31:20Z dkcl: (defpackage #:utils (:nicknames :ut) ...) should work 2015-04-10T22:32:21Z radioninja quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2015-04-10T22:32:26Z emaczen: dkcl: That's what I have 2015-04-10T22:35:30Z emaczen: dkcl: Ok, now it just works? Not sure if restarting helped or not. 2015-04-10T22:36:42Z Posterdati joined #lisp 2015-04-10T22:36:46Z jtza8 quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-04-10T22:37:00Z Posterdati: hi 2015-04-10T22:37:22Z Posterdati: please help, I've got this error quickloading antik: Symbol "NUMBER-EQUAL" not found in the LISP-UNIT package. 2015-04-10T22:37:48Z Posterdati: I'm using sbcl 1.2.10, slime 2.13 and latest quicklisp 2015-04-10T22:38:42Z a2015 quit (Quit: Page closed) 2015-04-10T22:38:49Z ehu quit (Quit: Leaving.) 2015-04-10T22:39:57Z ndrei joined #lisp 2015-04-10T22:40:56Z Longlius joined #lisp 2015-04-10T22:42:56Z Grue`: check your version of lisp-unit? 2015-04-10T22:43:16Z Grue`: the one I have installed does have number-equal 2015-04-10T22:43:56Z Bicyclidine quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2015-04-10T22:45:30Z keen____ quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-04-10T22:45:38Z Bicyclidine joined #lisp 2015-04-10T22:45:40Z C6248 joined #lisp 2015-04-10T22:46:31Z manuel__ joined #lisp 2015-04-10T22:47:04Z keen____ joined #lisp 2015-04-10T22:48:02Z jasom: emaczen: you probably hadn't re-loaded the file with defpackage in it 2015-04-10T22:49:52Z novemberist joined #lisp 2015-04-10T22:50:39Z jasom: so; more progress on getting eclipse-cl to run under emscripten; now a (function-symbol #'<) returns a lambda that is used in part of the CLOS initialization... 2015-04-10T22:51:07Z jasom: s/function-symbol #'