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Do I still have S-O-P return true for CL:MULTIPLE-VALUE-CALL? 2015-03-11T02:10:15Z Bike: yes 2015-03-11T02:10:36Z froggey joined #lisp 2015-03-11T02:10:42Z drmeister: And that's because the standard says CL:M-V-C is a special operator even if I don't make it one? 2015-03-11T02:10:58Z Bike: s-o-p is just defined to return true on any of the particular symbols, yeah 2015-03-11T02:11:24Z alvis` joined #lisp 2015-03-11T02:11:33Z drmeister: even - whatever. 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At first I'll declare unused varaibles as unused, but also make issues for v 1.1 to implement missing features 2015-03-11T03:49:10Z taylanub quit (Disconnected by services) 2015-03-11T03:49:36Z taylanub joined #lisp 2015-03-11T03:51:43Z nell quit (Quit: WeeChat 1.2-dev) 2015-03-11T03:54:11Z nell joined #lisp 2015-03-11T03:56:11Z BlueRavenGT quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-03-11T03:57:23Z pillton: Good morning beach. 2015-03-11T03:58:22Z manuel__ quit (Quit: manuel__) 2015-03-11T04:04:07Z dagnachewa joined #lisp 2015-03-11T04:04:54Z beach: Coming soon to Cleavir, Multics-style meters: http://metamodular.com/meters.text 2015-03-11T04:06:10Z scottj joined #lisp 2015-03-11T04:07:42Z k-dawg joined #lisp 2015-03-11T04:07:51Z drmeister: Hey beach 2015-03-11T04:08:35Z drmeister: I discovered I hadn't fully implemented the new special operator core:multiple-value-one-form-call - so of course nothing could work properly. 2015-03-11T04:08:51Z dagnachewa quit (Client Quit) 2015-03-11T04:08:54Z drmeister: Can I have a macro and a special operator with the same name? 2015-03-11T04:09:02Z beach: Yes. 2015-03-11T04:09:49Z drmeister: But how can that work? If the macro is expanded to the special operator - don't you get an infinite recursive loop of macro expansions? 2015-03-11T04:10:05Z beach: clhs macro-function 2015-03-11T04:10:05Z specbot: http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_macro_.htm 2015-03-11T04:10:06Z Vutral joined #lisp 2015-03-11T04:10:25Z beach: "It is possible for both macro-function and special-operator-p to return true of symbol. The macro definition must be available for use by programs that understand only the standard Common Lisp special forms." 2015-03-11T04:10:56Z beach: You can't expand the macro to a form with the same name. 2015-03-11T04:10:58Z mj-0 joined #lisp 2015-03-11T04:11:56Z beach: Let's say this properly: You can't expand the macro to a form using an operator with the same name. 2015-03-11T04:12:31Z drmeister: Right - so I have a macro CL:MULTIPLE-VALUE-CALL and (special-operator-p 'CL:MULTIPLE-VALUE-CALL) --> T but I had to create a new special operator CORE:MULTIPLE-VALUE-ONE-FORM-CALL (that's a version of M-V-C that allows only one form). 2015-03-11T04:12:41Z pillton: clhs 3.1.2.1.2 2015-03-11T04:12:41Z specbot: Conses as Forms: http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/03_abab.htm 2015-03-11T04:13:41Z beach: drmeister: Sounds right. 2015-03-11T04:13:56Z beach: pillton: Did I not say it right? 2015-03-11T04:15:25Z pillton: beach: You did. 3.1.2.1.2 (perhaps implicitly) shows that there is an order in deciding how to evaluate a cons form. 2015-03-11T04:15:43Z drmeister: To save myself a huge hassle I did the following. 2015-03-11T04:15:43Z drmeister: http://paste.lisp.org/display/146194 2015-03-11T04:16:19Z drmeister: I reused your multiple-value-call-ast, multiple-value-call-instruction etc. 2015-03-11T04:16:21Z beach: pillton: I see. 2015-03-11T04:17:29Z beach: drmeister: That's what you are supposed to do. 2015-03-11T04:18:38Z drmeister: Oh good. I started implementing multiple-value-call-one-form-ast and multiple-value-one-form-call-instruction but it seemed pointless since you had perfectly good multiple-value-call-XXX classes sitting there that I was no longer using because multiple-value-call (the general case is now a macro). 2015-03-11T04:18:55Z beach: drmeister: Welcome to CLOS, the most powerful, and the most under-appreciated object system around. 2015-03-11T04:19:24Z beach: drmeister: ... and the only one that gives the right answer, as shown by one of my colleagues. 2015-03-11T04:19:46Z edgar-rft joined #lisp 2015-03-11T04:19:46Z MoALTz__ joined #lisp 2015-03-11T04:19:51Z drmeister: Nice place youze got's here - shame if someone were to mess it up. 2015-03-11T04:20:10Z drmeister: What's the right answer? 2015-03-11T04:21:10Z pillton thinks it is 42. 2015-03-11T04:21:30Z beach: Oh, he was doing things like o.m(x, y) in some other languages, showing that the type of x is resolved at compile time. So all of my students were surprised that their favorite language didn't give the "right" answer in that case. 2015-03-11T04:21:33Z drmeister: Ok, I have it working now. The general case: (cleavir-compile 'foo '(lambda () (core::multiple-value-call #'list (values 1 2) (values 3 4))) :debug t) 2015-03-11T04:21:36Z drmeister: Generates: 2015-03-11T04:22:22Z drmeister: http://imgur.com/LULl5JA 2015-03-11T04:22:36Z drmeister: Only one multiple-values object is active at a time. 2015-03-11T04:22:46Z MoALTz_ quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2015-03-11T04:22:47Z beach: Excellent. 2015-03-11T04:23:15Z mbuf joined #lisp 2015-03-11T04:23:30Z mbuf: is there a lisp implementation that supports types? 2015-03-11T04:23:34Z drmeister: The specific case of one form: (cleavir-compile 'foo '(lambda () (core::multiple-value-call #'list (values 1 2))) :debug t) is optimized to use the special operator core::multiple-values-one-form-call 2015-03-11T04:23:48Z beach: mbuf: Common Lisp has a very very powerful type system. 2015-03-11T04:23:59Z beach: mbuf: You can express things that you can't express in other languages. 2015-03-11T04:24:15Z mbuf: beach, which compiler do you recommend when using Fedora? 2015-03-11T04:24:38Z drmeister: http://imgur.com/0lrvpC3 2015-03-11T04:24:54Z beach: mbuf: Is Fedora a Linux distribution? 2015-03-11T04:24:55Z mbuf: beach, I though I will start reading "Practical Common Lisp" by Peter Siebel or "ANSI Common Lisp" by Paul Graham 2015-03-11T04:25:06Z mbuf: beach, yes, sorry; or Ubuntu works too 2015-03-11T04:25:12Z beach: mbuf: Most people here would recommend SBCL. 2015-03-11T04:25:49Z drmeister: Note the use of the MVC instruction at the bottom - it takes "V" as input and generates "V" as output. Only one "V" is active at a time so only one thread local "V" is necessary. 2015-03-11T04:26:03Z beach: drmeister: Good. 2015-03-11T04:26:17Z drmeister: Back to compiling Clasp. 2015-03-11T04:26:17Z mbuf: beach, will try it; are there any existing web servers and applications that I can see written and use CL? 2015-03-11T04:26:20Z alvis` quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-03-11T04:26:38Z loke: mbuf: Yes 2015-03-11T04:26:41Z beach: mbuf: You might get more answers to your questions if you don't address them to me personally. 2015-03-11T04:26:46Z mbuf: beach, sorry! 2015-03-11T04:26:59Z mbuf: are there any existing web servers and applications that I can see written and use CL? 2015-03-11T04:27:09Z beach: mbuf: I happen to know virtually nothing about web applications nor Fedora. 2015-03-11T04:28:25Z beach: mbuf: I know there are several, but I don't keep track of them. 2015-03-11T04:28:29Z mbuf: beach, no problem 2015-03-11T04:29:01Z mbuf: between the two books, which one would people recommend to read? 2015-03-11T04:29:16Z beach: I think this site is entirely Common Lisp based: http://log.irc.tymoon.eu/freenode/clasp 2015-03-11T04:29:57Z beach: mbuf: Do you already know some other languages? 2015-03-11T04:30:22Z mbuf: beach, done some Emacs Lisp, Ruby, C, Haskell 2015-03-11T04:30:38Z beach: mbuf: Most people here would then recommend "Practical Common Lisp" 2015-03-11T04:30:45Z mbuf: beach, thanks! 2015-03-11T04:31:34Z beach: mbuf: After that, I suggest you move on to "Paradigms of Artificial Intelligence Programming" by Peter Norvig. It is not about AI at all, but about advanced programming in Common Lisp. 2015-03-11T04:32:26Z mbuf: beach, will read; thanks again 2015-03-11T04:32:51Z pillton: mbuf: That is a good book. 2015-03-11T04:33:36Z k-dawg quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep) 2015-03-11T04:33:53Z mbuf: okay 2015-03-11T04:34:34Z beach: mbuf: One more thing... 2015-03-11T04:34:42Z mbuf: beach, sure 2015-03-11T04:35:08Z beach: mbuf: You want to use Quicklisp to install libraries and applications. 2015-03-11T04:35:28Z beach: mbuf: And you want to install SBCL from the binary distribution on sourceforge. 2015-03-11T04:35:44Z gklimowicz quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-03-11T04:35:59Z mbuf: beach, sbcl is available on Fedora; will check version is available in sourceforge; which *nix distributions do people use here? 2015-03-11T04:36:04Z beach: mbuf: The first thing you should install (using Quicklisp) after SBCL is SLIME which transforms Emacs into an IDE for Common Lisp. 2015-03-11T04:36:24Z mbuf: beach, will do 2015-03-11T04:37:05Z beach: mbuf: I am telling you this, because otherwise you will use the package system of your OS, and then you will get all the versions wrong, you will come back here and ask for help, and we will tell you to uninstall everything and start over according to my advice. 2015-03-11T04:37:27Z beach: ... might as well save you the first two steps. 2015-03-11T04:37:58Z mbuf: beach, got it 2015-03-11T04:38:19Z mbuf: beach, quicklisp is GPL? 2015-03-11T04:38:23Z mbuf: sorry 2015-03-11T04:38:26Z mbuf: quicklisp is GPL? 2015-03-11T04:38:53Z beach: No idea. http://www.quicklisp.org/beta/ 2015-03-11T04:39:15Z beach: You have to ask Xach. 2015-03-11T04:41:05Z beach: That URL has a section on how to install SLIME. 2015-03-11T04:42:24Z cluck quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-03-11T04:43:07Z ajtulloch joined #lisp 2015-03-11T04:46:19Z resttime_ joined #lisp 2015-03-11T04:47:29Z badkins quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-03-11T04:47:54Z resttime_ quit (Client Quit) 2015-03-11T04:49:25Z resttime quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2015-03-11T04:51:21Z loke: H4ns: I have submitted a merge request for the ABCL Drakma problem: https://github.com/edicl/drakma/pull/52 2015-03-11T04:56:52Z a2015: drmeister: question, what are those state diagrams you so frequently share. looks like a bunch of gensyms/etc but mean little to me 2015-03-11T04:57:28Z beach: a2015: Those are diagrams of the intermediate code used in Cleavir. 2015-03-11T04:57:41Z beach: minion: Please tell a2015 about Cleavir. 2015-03-11T04:57:41Z minion: a2015: Cleavir: A project to create an implementation-independent compilation framework for Common Lisp. Currently Cleavir is part of SICL, but that might change in the future 2015-03-11T04:57:52Z beach: minion: Please tell a2015 about SICL. 2015-03-11T04:57:53Z minion: a2015: SICL: SICL is a (perhaps futile) attempt to re-implement Common Lisp from scratch, hopefully using improved programming and bootstrapping techniques. See https://github.com/robert-strandh/SICL 2015-03-11T04:58:12Z keno quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-03-11T04:58:32Z a2015: found this http://metamodular.com/cleavir.pdf 2015-03-11T04:58:37Z a2015: now I have lots to read 2015-03-11T04:58:54Z a2015: would this an llvm equivalent ? 2015-03-11T04:58:56Z beach: It's not quite up to date. 2015-03-11T04:59:18Z beach: a2015: The goal for Cleavir is to be such a library for and in Common Lisp. 2015-03-11T04:59:22Z a2015: but for CL ? 2015-03-11T04:59:25Z beach: yes. 2015-03-11T04:59:38Z a2015: wow, nice to know 2015-03-11T04:59:44Z beach: a2015: drmeister is using Cleavir to create a faster compiler for Clasp. 2015-03-11T05:00:02Z beach: But he is only using the first few steps of it, then he uses LLVM to generate code. 2015-03-11T05:00:09Z a2015: let me read the pdf and then I will (I hope) a better idea as to what is going on 2015-03-11T05:00:41Z beach: OK, let me just check what parts you can skip. Certainly, you can skip the detailed description of ASTs and instructions. 2015-03-11T05:01:05Z ajtulloch quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-03-11T05:01:31Z ajtulloch joined #lisp 2015-03-11T05:01:39Z beach: Basically everything is slightly out of date, so just read it for the basic idea. 2015-03-11T05:02:15Z a2015: ok, will do. I am not much of a compiler person, but I like reading about it. Hopefully soon I will be able to add somethin 2015-03-11T05:02:16Z a2015: Thanks 2015-03-11T05:02:21Z a2015: for the information 2015-03-11T05:02:27Z beach: Anytime. 2015-03-11T05:02:31Z fxer joined #lisp 2015-03-11T05:02:56Z a2015 quit (Quit: Page closed) 2015-03-11T05:03:37Z slyrus quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-03-11T05:06:57Z Xaving joined #lisp 2015-03-11T05:07:30Z kobain joined #lisp 2015-03-11T05:09:19Z ajtulloc_ joined #lisp 2015-03-11T05:12:15Z ajtullo__ joined #lisp 2015-03-11T05:12:36Z ajtulloc_ quit (Read error: No route to host) 2015-03-11T05:12:51Z ajtulloch quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2015-03-11T05:13:59Z angavrilov quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2015-03-11T05:14:45Z angavrilov joined #lisp 2015-03-11T05:15:25Z larion quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2015-03-11T05:19:19Z ajtulloch joined #lisp 2015-03-11T05:20:29Z Xaving quit (Quit: Page closed) 2015-03-11T05:20:41Z ajtullo__ quit (Read error: No route to host) 2015-03-11T05:20:49Z ajtulloc_ joined #lisp 2015-03-11T05:24:35Z ajtulloch quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2015-03-11T05:26:40Z selat joined #lisp 2015-03-11T05:27:53Z alvin` quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2015-03-11T05:27:58Z selat quit (Client Quit) 2015-03-11T05:28:18Z selat joined #lisp 2015-03-11T05:33:30Z {0}grant- joined #lisp 2015-03-11T05:33:39Z clintm joined #lisp 2015-03-11T05:34:25Z {0}grant- quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-03-11T05:34:43Z {0}grant joined #lisp 2015-03-11T05:35:00Z {0}grant quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-03-11T05:35:56Z {0}grant joined #lisp 2015-03-11T05:37:36Z ajtulloch joined #lisp 2015-03-11T05:37:44Z jlongster quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-03-11T05:41:05Z ajtulloc_ quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2015-03-11T05:42:44Z Bahman joined #lisp 2015-03-11T05:44:54Z theseb quit (Quit: Leaving) 2015-03-11T05:45:36Z Bahman: Hi all!~ 2015-03-11T05:45:44Z vdamewood quit (Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]) 2015-03-11T05:46:33Z munksgaard joined #lisp 2015-03-11T05:47:35Z beach: Hello Bahman. 2015-03-11T05:47:49Z Bahman: Hi beach! 2015-03-11T05:49:02Z H4ns changed the topic of #lisp to: Common Lisp, the #1=(programmable . #1#) programming language logs:|contact op if muted|Drakma 1.3.13, Hunchentoot 1.2.31, SBCL 1.2.7 2015-03-11T05:51:01Z clintm: hello, Bahman 2015-03-11T05:51:25Z angavrilov quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2015-03-11T05:51:31Z Bahman: G'day clintm! 2015-03-11T05:51:53Z beach: I seem to recall that SBCL has some implementation-specific stuff for CPU time that is higher resolution than the default. Does anyone remember what it is? 2015-03-11T05:54:13Z Bike: like, rtdsc? 2015-03-11T05:54:21Z Bike: rdtsc* 2015-03-11T05:54:46Z beach: Whatever gives higher resolution than GET-INTERNAL-RUN-TIME. 2015-03-11T05:55:28Z a2015 joined #lisp 2015-03-11T05:56:04Z angavrilov joined #lisp 2015-03-11T05:57:13Z scottj: beach: get-internal-real-time? 2015-03-11T05:57:23Z beach: Hmm. 2015-03-11T05:57:47Z beach: Doesn't that measure clock time as opposed to CPU time? 2015-03-11T05:57:59Z Bike: yes. internal-time-units-per-second is 1000 on my sbcl. 2015-03-11T05:58:29Z H4ns: (sb-impl::read-cycle-counter) 2015-03-11T05:58:39Z H4ns: beach: http://john.freml.in/sbcl-optimise-plan has more info 2015-03-11T05:58:48Z beach: H4ns: Thanks! 2015-03-11T05:58:54Z larion joined #lisp 2015-03-11T05:59:07Z beach: scottj: And get-internal-real time uses the same units as get-internal-run-time I think. 2015-03-11T05:59:58Z Bike: cl:time seems to use getrusage for wall time, so that's microseconds 2015-03-11T06:00:07Z Bike: on unix, anyway 2015-03-11T06:00:19Z beach: Aha, that would be good. 2015-03-11T06:02:00Z Bike: for cycles it has sb-vm::%read-cycle-counter which is rdtsc. 2015-03-11T06:02:06Z Bike: on x86, anyway. 2015-03-11T06:02:21Z Bike: getrusage also seems to cover how much was consed and such... how convenient. 2015-03-11T06:02:32Z beach: Indeed. 2015-03-11T06:03:09Z beach: I have to figure out what the argument means. 2015-03-11T06:03:19Z Bike: argument to getrusage? 2015-03-11T06:03:24Z beach: Yeah. 2015-03-11T06:05:07Z Bike: 's in the manpage, isn't it? 0 means the calling process? 2015-03-11T06:05:12Z gingerale joined #lisp 2015-03-11T06:05:20Z alvin` joined #lisp 2015-03-11T06:06:26Z beach: Maybe so. 2015-03-11T06:06:37Z beach: The manpage isn't valid for SBCL though. 2015-03-11T06:06:57Z beach: And the SBCL function doesn't mention the nature of the WHO parameter. 2015-03-11T06:07:06Z beach: I guess I'll just try it. 2015-03-11T06:07:51Z beach: I also see sb!usage:rusage_self passed to unix-getrusage. 2015-03-11T06:08:06Z Bike: i don't understand. sb-unix:unix-getrusage is just a wrapper around getrusage, and rusage_self equals zero? 2015-03-11T06:08:32Z beach: Bike: You are almost certainly right. 2015-03-11T06:08:39Z munksgaard quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2015-03-11T06:09:22Z gravicappa joined #lisp 2015-03-11T06:10:00Z Bike: RUSAGE_SELF is defined in for me 2015-03-11T06:10:42Z beach: Thanks. 2015-03-11T06:13:55Z selat quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2015-03-11T06:14:04Z drmeister: beach: Have you tried viewing any really large HIR graphs? 2015-03-11T06:14:56Z beach: No, not really. I have viewed a few medium-sized LIR (low-level...) when registers are involved, and it is impossible to see what is going on. 2015-03-11T06:16:04Z drmeister: Hmm. 2015-03-11T06:16:43Z pranavrc joined #lisp 2015-03-11T06:16:48Z drmeister: I'm debugging code generated by the compiler - it's tricky because it's the 48th form that's compiled - something is messed up with the enclosed environment. The HIR is huge. 2015-03-11T06:17:25Z slyrus joined #lisp 2015-03-11T06:17:41Z beach: I think you need to find a simpler case that exhibits the problem. 2015-03-11T06:18:12Z drmeister: That would be nice. 2015-03-11T06:18:34Z drmeister: Generating the graph as EPS and loading it into Adobe Illustrator works nicely. 2015-03-11T06:18:49Z drmeister: I scaled it down to 10% of its original size and now I can pan around and look at stuff 2015-03-11T06:18:52Z beach: Oh, really? I am surprised. 2015-03-11T06:19:47Z drmeister: I wish I could figure out graphviz aspect ratio stuff. It's really tall and thin. 2015-03-11T06:20:07Z drmeister: I have to scroll around a lot to find the numbers associated with the input/output lines. 2015-03-11T06:20:49Z beach: Yes, I remember that from looking at LIR graphs. I don't have the patience for it. 2015-03-11T06:21:04Z drmeister: Wow - another pro-tip. You can select the lines with the "Direct Selection Tool" and highlight them - it makes it easier to follow. 2015-03-11T06:21:50Z beach: In Adobe Illustrator? 2015-03-11T06:22:11Z quazimod1 quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-03-11T06:22:11Z quazimodo quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-03-11T06:23:15Z fxer quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2015-03-11T06:23:22Z mrSpec joined #lisp 2015-03-11T06:23:27Z drmeister: Yes 2015-03-11T06:25:13Z pt1 joined #lisp 2015-03-11T06:27:18Z quazimodo joined #lisp 2015-03-11T06:30:10Z slyrus quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2015-03-11T06:30:17Z mj-0 quit (Read error: No route to host) 2015-03-11T06:30:30Z mj-0 joined #lisp 2015-03-11T06:30:56Z mearnsh quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2015-03-11T06:32:00Z My_Hearing is now known as Mon_Ouie 2015-03-11T06:33:04Z mearnsh joined #lisp 2015-03-11T06:33:16Z clintm quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-03-11T06:33:20Z clintm` joined #lisp 2015-03-11T06:33:23Z clintm` is now known as clintm 2015-03-11T06:33:34Z clintm quit (Changing host) 2015-03-11T06:33:34Z clintm joined #lisp 2015-03-11T06:34:18Z drmeister: I have an environment being closed with one bad pointer that should point to a cell. 2015-03-11T06:34:23Z drmeister: closed over 2015-03-11T06:34:56Z drmeister: https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/71cU2ZJU 2015-03-11T06:35:12Z drmeister: Cell #4 has the value 0x18 - that's not a CONS 2015-03-11T06:35:58Z badkins joined #lisp 2015-03-11T06:36:37Z easye quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-03-11T06:38:07Z oldk joined #lisp 2015-03-11T06:38:21Z ajtulloc_ joined #lisp 2015-03-11T06:38:33Z easye joined #lisp 2015-03-11T06:38:52Z theos quit (Disconnected by services) 2015-03-11T06:39:09Z Harag joined #lisp 2015-03-11T06:39:21Z theos joined #lisp 2015-03-11T06:39:45Z ajtulloch quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2015-03-11T06:41:13Z badkins quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2015-03-11T06:41:31Z pt1 quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-03-11T06:42:54Z oleo quit (Quit: Leaving) 2015-03-11T06:43:22Z pjb: drmeister: if your CL special operator is not implemented as a special operator, but uniquely as a macro, as allowed by 3.1.2.1.2.2, then IMO, special-operator-p should return NIL for it. But I guess this should be discussed on cll, since it seems it's a matter of interpretation of the sentence "The set of special operator names is fixed in Common Lisp" in 3.1.2.1.2.1. 2015-03-11T06:43:54Z ajtulloc_ quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-03-11T06:43:56Z easye quit (Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)) 2015-03-11T06:44:02Z hvxgr quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-03-11T06:44:07Z easye joined #lisp 2015-03-11T06:44:09Z fantazo joined #lisp 2015-03-11T06:44:33Z pjb: drmeister: notice that you can have both (macro-function op) and (special-operator-p op) and in some cases, you MUST have both. 2015-03-11T06:45:35Z drmeister: I understand - thanks. 2015-03-11T06:46:30Z slyrus joined #lisp 2015-03-11T06:46:40Z pjb: Notice that there's no gain in creating a new special operator like: CORE:MULTIPLE-VALUE-ONE-FORM-CALL, since you will have to provide an equivalent macro. 2015-03-11T06:46:47Z drmeister: I think I need to put some tracing instructions into the MIR that generate tracing instructions in the LLVM-IR. I can't see the correspondence between MIR and LLVM-IR. 2015-03-11T06:46:58Z pjb: And you cannot have circular macro expansions. 2015-03-11T06:47:58Z ajtulloch joined #lisp 2015-03-11T06:48:51Z drmeister: pjb: That's a problem now that I think about it. If I have to provide a macro for every special operator I define then the special operators will never be used. 2015-03-11T06:49:09Z pjb: Yes, they will be "used" by your compiler. 2015-03-11T06:49:23Z drmeister: The compiler would expand them as macros would it not? 2015-03-11T06:49:28Z Shinmera joined #lisp 2015-03-11T06:49:37Z pjb: When there's a macro definition, a compiler doesn't have to macroexpand it, if it also is a special operator that this compiler understands. 2015-03-11T06:50:21Z pjb: Remember the definition for eval: we start to test for special operators, such as quote, if, etc. Only if it's no special operator, do we test for macro-function to expand, or else apply it as a function call. 2015-03-11T06:50:24Z drmeister: Well then it does provide a benefit to have CORE:MULTIPLE-VALUE-ONE-FORM-CALL - it is handled by the compiler as a special operator 2015-03-11T06:50:38Z pjb: But you MUST provide a macro for it! 2015-03-11T06:50:46Z pjb: And a macro that can be expanded and used. 2015-03-11T06:51:03Z drmeister: Sure but I won't use the macro in the compiler 2015-03-11T06:51:23Z pjb: Yes, but how will you expand? What's the semantics of this special operator? 2015-03-11T06:52:35Z ajtulloch quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2015-03-11T06:52:54Z drmeister: Its like M-V-C but only accepts one form. 2015-03-11T06:53:12Z alvin`` joined #lisp 2015-03-11T06:54:22Z xificurC joined #lisp 2015-03-11T06:54:52Z alvin` quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-03-11T06:55:44Z kami: Good morning #lisp 2015-03-11T06:56:00Z beach: Hello kami. 2015-03-11T06:56:13Z pjb: drmeister: and m-v-c can be implemented trivially as a macro: (defmacro multiple-value-call (function-form &rest forms) `(apply ,function-form (mapcan (function funcall) (list ,@(mapcar (lambda (form) `(lambda () ,form)) forms))))) 2015-03-11T06:56:34Z kami: Can somebody recommend a system which makes use of cffi-grovel and is simple enough for a first-time user? 2015-03-11T06:56:53Z pjb: drmeister: the specification of it as a special operator is only to let the compiler optimize that, but you could as well optimize it with a compiler macro on apply. 2015-03-11T06:57:24Z vdamewood joined #lisp 2015-03-11T06:57:45Z meiji11 quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-03-11T06:57:51Z kami: I'm looking at iolib but it's way too complicated to understand it. 2015-03-11T06:59:34Z beach: pjb: Are you going to ELS? 2015-03-11T06:59:40Z scottj quit (Quit: leaving) 2015-03-11T06:59:43Z pjb: drmeister: but in any case, if you have only one set of multiple value registers, there's little you can do in terms of optimization (but perhaps inlining the function calls in the forms, so that you would return their multiple values directly in the destination mv registers, sounds improbable). Without multiple sets of mv registers, you will have to save the values produced by the first form before calling the second one. Ie. this 2015-03-11T06:59:44Z pjb: macro is as good as you can do it.. 2015-03-11T07:00:00Z drmeister: pjb: I've implemented it as a special operator so that I don't have to have a closure for every multiple-value-bind. 2015-03-11T07:00:01Z pjb: beach: unfortunately, I won't have the means (time.money) to go this years 2015-03-11T07:00:10Z beach: pjb: :( 2015-03-11T07:00:39Z ajtulloch joined #lisp 2015-03-11T07:01:00Z drmeister: So I can do better than that macro. I use a macro like that for every multiple-value-call that needs more than one form. 2015-03-11T07:01:10Z pjb: kami: I use swig, which generates the cffi definitions. I never had to use "grovel" myself, and only have bad impressions of it when I had to use it. Perhaps it was an early form? 2015-03-11T07:01:15Z beach: Time to get to work! 2015-03-11T07:01:18Z beach left #lisp 2015-03-11T07:01:44Z |3b|: swig and grovel do different things, unless you intend to rerun swig for every install 2015-03-11T07:01:54Z gingerale quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-03-11T07:02:05Z pjb: drmeister: oh, so you're optimizing only the case of a single form. 2015-03-11T07:02:11Z kami: I used to use verrazano, but it seems to be bitrotten. 2015-03-11T07:02:13Z |3b|: though what swig does is what you usually want for most sane libs 2015-03-11T07:02:17Z drmeister: Yes 2015-03-11T07:02:32Z |3b|: verrazano is more like swig than grovel 2015-03-11T07:03:17Z kami: |3b|: do you know of a system which you would recommend to look at, if I wanted to wrap my head around grovel? 2015-03-11T07:03:40Z |3b|: not really, but it might not be what you want anyway 2015-03-11T07:03:58Z pjb: drmeister: the point of special operators is that you can do that in the compiler without having to introduce another special operator. The compiler can do whatever it wants for the special operator, so you can optimize one case, and compile the other by expanding internally some internal "macro". 2015-03-11T07:04:42Z |3b|: cffi-grovel is for when you know about specific structure slots or whatever, but can't predict where they will be in the structure in advance 2015-03-11T07:04:56Z kami: |3b|: I see. 2015-03-11T07:05:01Z |3b|: it doesn't look at a header and generate an FFI for you 2015-03-11T07:05:38Z drmeister: pjb: That would be a slightly less complicated way to do it relative to what I'm doing now. 2015-03-11T07:05:43Z kami: |3b|: Yes, that's what I understood from the docs. 2015-03-11T07:06:19Z kami: |3b|: I don't need a lot of functions/structs from the shared lib which I'd like to use. So, it could be an option to not generate wrappers for everything. 2015-03-11T07:07:13Z kami: |3b|: but if I understand correctly, I would have to check my grovel code against new versions of the lib, right? 2015-03-11T07:07:31Z sunwukong joined #lisp 2015-03-11T07:07:31Z |3b|: if the structure layouts don't change on different platforms, probably easiest to just write the cffi definitions directly 2015-03-11T07:08:41Z |3b|: or don't change frequently with library version 2015-03-11T07:09:36Z kami: |3b|: I have to support only one platform x86_64 and the library is mature. Thanks for the hint. I'll look into that. 2015-03-11T07:10:19Z |3b|: swig and c2ffi/autowrap are options if you want to just generate bindings directly, but i haven't used either of those yet 2015-03-11T07:11:32Z pjb: drmeister: I thought that the macro definition of mvc-one-form would have to use mvc, but you can do this: http://paste.lisp.org/+34T0 and therefore have a special operator for mvc-one-form. 2015-03-11T07:12:25Z drmeister: Thanks - I'll check it out tomorrow - it's after 3:00am here - I'm exhausted. 2015-03-11T07:13:03Z Cymew joined #lisp 2015-03-11T07:14:28Z pillton: kami: basic-binary-ipc uses cffi-grovel heavily. 2015-03-11T07:14:59Z hvxgr joined #lisp 2015-03-11T07:15:01Z kami: pillton: thanks. Will look at it. 2015-03-11T07:16:52Z theBlackDragon quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2015-03-11T07:17:07Z zadock quit (Quit: Leaving) 2015-03-11T07:18:36Z drmeister: beach: One last question before I go to bed - does the enclose-instruction count the enter-instruction it encloses as one of its inputs? 2015-03-11T07:19:18Z drmeister: Or rather - if you get a chance to answer this I'll pick it up tomorrow from the log. 2015-03-11T07:20:39Z Mon_Ouie quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2015-03-11T07:23:45Z easye: Hmmm. 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This convention is one of the few instances of a 'good' bug. The early LISP papers required full use of commas, but due to a programming error in the LISP output routine, lists were printed without commas. It looked so much better that the bug became institutionalized." 2015-03-11T07:40:45Z Shinmera: easye: I can still load http://www.european-lisp-symposium.org/editions/2014/ELS2014.pdf fine 2015-03-11T07:42:37Z pocket joined #lisp 2015-03-11T07:44:11Z mishoo joined #lisp 2015-03-11T07:44:43Z stepnem joined #lisp 2015-03-11T07:45:20Z ajtulloc_ joined #lisp 2015-03-11T07:47:04Z fxer joined #lisp 2015-03-11T07:49:03Z ajtulloch quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2015-03-11T07:51:07Z ajtulloc_ quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-03-11T07:52:04Z ajtulloch joined #lisp 2015-03-11T07:53:48Z huza joined #lisp 2015-03-11T07:56:45Z ajtulloch quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2015-03-11T08:03:02Z pocket quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-03-11T08:04:25Z zadock joined #lisp 2015-03-11T08:04:27Z mj-0 quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-03-11T08:06:33Z ajtulloch joined #lisp 2015-03-11T08:06:59Z rszeno joined #lisp 2015-03-11T08:08:02Z burtons quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2015-03-11T08:09:29Z Longlius quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-03-11T08:10:55Z larion quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2015-03-11T08:13:35Z Longlius joined #lisp 2015-03-11T08:15:47Z mj-0 joined #lisp 2015-03-11T08:16:00Z mj-0 quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-03-11T08:16:11Z kushal joined #lisp 2015-03-11T08:18:23Z Vutral quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-03-11T08:21:13Z admg joined #lisp 2015-03-11T08:21:46Z munksgaard joined #lisp 2015-03-11T08:22:11Z rszeno quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-03-11T08:23:22Z defaultxr quit (Quit: gnight) 2015-03-11T08:27:11Z lphaf joined #lisp 2015-03-11T08:27:58Z Shinmera quit (Quit: しつれいしなければならないんです。) 2015-03-11T08:27:59Z Harag quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-03-11T08:28:16Z Harag joined #lisp 2015-03-11T08:34:26Z alvin`` quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2015-03-11T08:34:36Z rszeno joined #lisp 2015-03-11T08:36:33Z huza quit (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8) 2015-03-11T08:37:58Z mj-0 joined #lisp 2015-03-11T08:40:46Z fantazo quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2015-03-11T08:40:57Z mvilleneuve joined #lisp 2015-03-11T08:43:59Z ajtulloc_ joined #lisp 2015-03-11T08:45:48Z harish joined #lisp 2015-03-11T08:47:43Z ajtulloch quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2015-03-11T08:48:16Z przl joined #lisp 2015-03-11T08:51:22Z psy_ quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2015-03-11T08:52:12Z fantazo joined #lisp 2015-03-11T08:53:20Z Shinmera joined #lisp 2015-03-11T08:55:26Z arenz joined #lisp 2015-03-11T09:00:52Z przl quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2015-03-11T09:01:53Z przl joined #lisp 2015-03-11T09:04:57Z kushal quit (Quit: Leaving) 2015-03-11T09:05:14Z kushal joined #lisp 2015-03-11T09:06:36Z devll joined #lisp 2015-03-11T09:09:07Z stardiviner quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2015-03-11T09:10:17Z kami quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2015-03-11T09:11:37Z ajtulloc_ quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-03-11T09:11:49Z easye quit (Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)) 2015-03-11T09:12:00Z easye joined #lisp 2015-03-11T09:16:39Z xan_ joined #lisp 2015-03-11T09:21:59Z oldk quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2015-03-11T09:22:45Z stardiviner joined #lisp 2015-03-11T09:24:09Z redeemed joined #lisp 2015-03-11T09:24:54Z qubitnerd quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-03-11T09:29:02Z jtza8 joined #lisp 2015-03-11T09:29:47Z przl quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-03-11T09:30:27Z frkout_ joined #lisp 2015-03-11T09:30:42Z rszeno quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-03-11T09:31:50Z rszeno joined #lisp 2015-03-11T09:32:10Z kcj quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-03-11T09:32:12Z Ralt: Shinmera: wait, is it in Paris or in London? 2015-03-11T09:32:32Z larion joined #lisp 2015-03-11T09:32:41Z Shinmera: Just read the website. http://www.european-lisp-symposium.org/ 2015-03-11T09:33:03Z fxer quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2015-03-11T09:33:23Z Ralt: on the website, it says London 2015-03-11T09:33:26Z Ralt: on the pdf, it says Paris 2015-03-11T09:33:39Z Ralt: which is why I'm asking... 2015-03-11T09:33:53Z Shinmera: You might want to check the year. 2015-03-11T09:33:57Z quazimodo quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-03-11T09:34:01Z frkout quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2015-03-11T09:34:06Z Ralt: oh, duh. 2015-03-11T09:36:18Z robot-be` quit (Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)) 2015-03-11T09:37:15Z kapil___ joined #lisp 2015-03-11T09:38:06Z radioninja quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2015-03-11T09:39:37Z lphaf quit 2015-03-11T09:44:59Z mj-0 quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-03-11T09:45:39Z GuilOooo quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2015-03-11T09:45:52Z GuilOooo joined #lisp 2015-03-11T09:47:09Z stardiviner quit (Quit: Weird in coding now, or make love, only two things push me away from IRC.) 2015-03-11T09:47:22Z larion quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2015-03-11T09:48:20Z larion joined #lisp 2015-03-11T09:50:58Z stardiviner joined #lisp 2015-03-11T09:57:10Z munksgaard: Are a lot of you guys coming to the ELS? 2015-03-11T09:58:26Z clintm: I'm hoping to be able to next year. 2015-03-11T09:59:06Z Shinmera: I am attending. 2015-03-11T09:59:23Z Mon_Ouie joined #lisp 2015-03-11T09:59:56Z Shinmera: I also know of beach, drmeister, splittist, and Xach. 2015-03-11T10:00:13Z munksgaard: I've been considering going, but I don't really know what to expect or if it's even relevant for me (soon-to-graduate masters student) 2015-03-11T10:01:33Z Shinmera: I'm a first-year bachelor. I'm mostly going to meet the people I know from here. 2015-03-11T10:02:07Z Shinmera: Otherwise I'm sure there's going to be at least some talks that will be relevant to my interests. 2015-03-11T10:04:29Z munksgaard: I guess you have a good point 2015-03-11T10:04:38Z Shinmera: Xach's and beach's being some of them. 2015-03-11T10:04:52Z jtza8 quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-03-11T10:05:10Z k-dawg joined #lisp 2015-03-11T10:07:20Z Shinmera: I mean, it of course depends on how much money and time you have available to spend. Neither of those are really a hindrance to me, so 2015-03-11T10:07:32Z jdz: that's the spirit! 2015-03-11T10:07:50Z jdz: last year i travelled to Paris and had a great time 2015-03-11T10:08:12Z ovenpasta joined #lisp 2015-03-11T10:08:17Z jdz: this year i live a walking distance from Goldsmiths, even closer than the hotels are :) 2015-03-11T10:08:24Z wz1000 quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-03-11T10:08:24Z jdz: a lucky coincidence that 2015-03-11T10:08:45Z Shinmera: Here's a fun idea: For those who want, I can take some swiss chocolate with me to the conference. Drop me a mail if you have a specific request and I'll see about it. 2015-03-11T10:09:10Z jdz: how about Swiss Army Knives? 2015-03-11T10:09:34Z Shinmera: Those are a bit problematic regarding Toll and costs, but I could try too. 2015-03-11T10:09:52Z Shinmera: Airplane security and all that. 2015-03-11T10:11:18Z Shinmera: I should probably note my e-mail address too so you don't have to go dig for it: shinmera@tymoon.eu 2015-03-11T10:12:58Z Shinmera: Yeah, I don't think knives will be possible since I won't be taking anything but hand-luggage with me. 2015-03-11T10:13:20Z przl joined #lisp 2015-03-11T10:15:22Z mj-0 joined #lisp 2015-03-11T10:15:33Z mj-0 quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-03-11T10:16:15Z mj-0 joined #lisp 2015-03-11T10:16:31Z mj-0 quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-03-11T10:16:44Z munksgaard: Yeah, then it's probably a bad idea :P 2015-03-11T10:16:52Z mj-0 joined #lisp 2015-03-11T10:16:53Z jdz: ok then, we'll have to do with chocolate only 2015-03-11T10:17:13Z mj-0 quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-03-11T10:20:23Z frkout_ quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-03-11T10:20:50Z frkout joined #lisp 2015-03-11T10:21:07Z Adlai` is now known as adlai 2015-03-11T10:22:58Z kami joined #lisp 2015-03-11T10:23:41Z echo-area quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-03-11T10:24:02Z Shinmera quit (Quit: Battery out. 失礼しなければならないんです。) 2015-03-11T10:24:09Z fragamus quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2015-03-11T10:24:23Z mj-0 joined #lisp 2015-03-11T10:25:18Z mj-0 quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-03-11T10:25:48Z theBlackDragon joined #lisp 2015-03-11T10:27:54Z mj-0 joined #lisp 2015-03-11T10:28:13Z mj-0 quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-03-11T10:28:14Z Ethan- joined #lisp 2015-03-11T10:29:06Z devll quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-03-11T10:29:24Z kushal quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-03-11T10:30:03Z radioninja joined #lisp 2015-03-11T10:31:00Z mj-0 joined #lisp 2015-03-11T10:31:21Z mj-0 quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-03-11T10:32:23Z Vutral joined #lisp 2015-03-11T10:33:26Z quazimodo joined #lisp 2015-03-11T10:33:51Z ebrasca joined #lisp 2015-03-11T10:34:42Z mj-0 joined #lisp 2015-03-11T10:35:00Z mj-0 quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-03-11T10:35:52Z harish quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2015-03-11T10:36:13Z attila_lendvai joined #lisp 2015-03-11T10:36:41Z svetlyak40wt joined #lisp 2015-03-11T10:36:49Z EvW joined #lisp 2015-03-11T10:38:12Z mj-0 joined #lisp 2015-03-11T10:38:57Z Ven joined #lisp 2015-03-11T10:39:00Z mj-0 quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-03-11T10:41:44Z mj-0 joined #lisp 2015-03-11T10:42:02Z mj-0 quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-03-11T10:42:06Z Ven_ joined #lisp 2015-03-11T10:44:00Z Karl_Dscc joined #lisp 2015-03-11T10:44:30Z svetlyak40wt quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-03-11T10:44:52Z mj-0 joined #lisp 2015-03-11T10:45:05Z svetlyak40wt joined #lisp 2015-03-11T10:45:11Z mj-0 quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-03-11T10:45:35Z Ven quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2015-03-11T10:47:35Z baotiao joined #lisp 2015-03-11T10:49:28Z svetlyak40wt quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2015-03-11T10:49:32Z mj-0 joined #lisp 2015-03-11T10:49:56Z mj-0 quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-03-11T10:50:18Z mishoo_ joined #lisp 2015-03-11T10:51:48Z mishoo quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2015-03-11T10:52:16Z mj-0 joined #lisp 2015-03-11T10:52:18Z arnaudga joined #lisp 2015-03-11T10:52:35Z mj-0 quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-03-11T10:53:45Z splittist: You can get chocolate swiss army knives 2015-03-11T10:54:37Z mj-0 joined #lisp 2015-03-11T10:55:24Z mj-0 quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-03-11T10:57:03Z k-dawg quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep) 2015-03-11T10:57:19Z mj-0 joined #lisp 2015-03-11T10:57:55Z ebrasca quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-03-11T10:58:00Z mj-0 quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-03-11T10:58:05Z ebrasca joined #lisp 2015-03-11T10:59:52Z splittist: beach: how about adding Minimum and Maximum to the (cool) metering/output? 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However, some implementations support it under certain circumstances. See http://0branch.com/notes/tco-cl.html for an extensive survey. 2015-03-11T14:13:11Z rpg joined #lisp 2015-03-11T14:13:47Z jackdaniel: brkpnt: ECL is tail recursive, if gcc has correct flags 2015-03-11T14:13:57Z jackdaniel: it's off by default though 2015-03-11T14:14:05Z rpg: Can anyone recommend a library for some quick and dirty image drawing? Just need to put some lines and points into a coordinate frame... 2015-03-11T14:14:41Z rpg: [if I knew it, I'd probably just use R or octave, but I don't] 2015-03-11T14:14:51Z Xach: rpg: for gui, or for file output? 2015-03-11T14:14:59Z rpg: Xach: File output. 2015-03-11T14:15:07Z jlongster joined #lisp 2015-03-11T14:15:09Z Xach: rpg: i use Vecto for that. 2015-03-11T14:15:18Z rpg: Xach: Thanks! 2015-03-11T14:15:18Z Xach: it writes png files and has a PDF-like command set 2015-03-11T14:15:42Z Xach: move-to, line-to, curve-to, etc 2015-03-11T14:15:54Z cross joined #lisp 2015-03-11T14:15:55Z jackdaniel: brkpnt: it should rise an exception, and it does on linux. You could file a bug report on sourceforge sourceforge.net/p/ecls, or if you have gitlab account, at gitlab.com/embbeddable-common-lisp 2015-03-11T14:16:02Z Xach: i use it to draw http://xach.com/moviecharts/2015.html each week 2015-03-11T14:16:30Z jackdaniel: s/could/can/ 2015-03-11T14:17:38Z cross quit (Client Quit) 2015-03-11T14:18:22Z cross joined #lisp 2015-03-11T14:18:48Z froggey_ joined #lisp 2015-03-11T14:18:54Z ruste joined #lisp 2015-03-11T14:18:58Z froggey quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2015-03-11T14:19:42Z Xach: rpg: if you need any help with it, i'll be back in a bit. 2015-03-11T14:19:59Z rpg: thanks; I really appreciate it. 2015-03-11T14:20:49Z zadock joined #lisp 2015-03-11T14:21:19Z k-dawg joined #lisp 2015-03-11T14:22:20Z Shinmera: Even fancier benchmarking. https://filebox.tymoon.eu/file/TkRRMQ== 2015-03-11T14:23:58Z resttime joined #lisp 2015-03-11T14:25:28Z Ven quit (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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I've set up my environment so that when I COMPILE-FILE files, I generate a log file of every form compiled, every function name created and a bunch of other diagnostic info as well as graphs of the AST, HIR and MIR so that I can compare the generated code to every stage of the compilation. 2015-03-11T14:46:16Z mj-0 joined #lisp 2015-03-11T14:46:16Z mj-0 quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-03-11T14:46:38Z mj-0 joined #lisp 2015-03-11T14:46:41Z nell quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2015-03-11T14:47:54Z pt1 quit (Read error: No route to host) 2015-03-11T14:48:19Z pt1 joined #lisp 2015-03-11T14:48:29Z drmeister: http://i.imgur.com/pomazuQ.png 2015-03-11T14:48:54Z drmeister: Note the "enclose" instruction just to the left of the center. 2015-03-11T14:49:40Z drmeister: It encloses a bunch of CONS cells (inputs - red arrows pointing in to it) into an environment and creates a closure with a function (the "enter" instruction) 2015-03-11T14:51:03Z drmeister: I think the problem here is that one of the cells that is coming into the "enclose" is created after the "enclose" instruction executes - which means when the "enclose" instruction executes it encloses uninitialized memory. 2015-03-11T14:52:10Z drmeister: I'm not completely certain my analysis is correct. What I do know is that when the enclosed function runs - it crashes because of an uninitialized pointer. I've traced it to here. 2015-03-11T14:52:26Z drmeister: If anyone has a moment to look at this - I'd very much appreciate it. 2015-03-11T14:52:43Z raymondillo joined #lisp 2015-03-11T14:53:35Z Ven joined #lisp 2015-03-11T14:53:36Z drmeister: beach: If you see this - ping! I'll email you. 2015-03-11T14:55:01Z mvilleneuve joined #lisp 2015-03-11T14:57:10Z fantazo quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2015-03-11T14:58:01Z rpg quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2015-03-11T14:59:23Z qubitnerd joined #lisp 2015-03-11T15:00:02Z oleo joined #lisp 2015-03-11T15:00:46Z Joreji quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2015-03-11T15:01:09Z raymondillo quit (Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)) 2015-03-11T15:01:15Z Ven quit (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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With beach's very generous help I've been incorporating Cleavir into Clasp and joining the Cleavir front end to the LLVM backend. 2015-03-11T21:36:36Z francogrex: drmeister: can one test sicl now or not yet? 2015-03-11T21:37:41Z francogrex: drmeister: i'm interested. can you link the github address please? 2015-03-11T21:40:12Z francogrex: is it SICL/Code/Cleavir/ ? 2015-03-11T21:40:59Z futpib quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 2015-03-11T21:44:18Z PaulCapestany joined #lisp 2015-03-11T21:44:31Z quazimodo quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2015-03-11T21:44:39Z oleo: is there a way to not collect nils when collecting matching strings via cl-ppcre:collect-to-strings ? 2015-03-11T21:44:41Z hiroaki joined #lisp 2015-03-11T21:44:43Z drmeister: francogrex: Do you want to test SICL/Cleavir (beach's project) or Clasp+Cleavir (my project) I can't speak for beach - you can ask him the state of it tonight when he comes on. 2015-03-11T21:45:05Z hiroakip joined #lisp 2015-03-11T21:45:07Z rszeno 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