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The reasons it has been stalled are ultimately quite trivial. 2015-02-16T23:10:11Z ehu: faheem_: being? 2015-02-16T23:10:28Z faheem_: The method CCL uses to build its interface headers uses an old version of the GCC (4.9?) frontend. This could be done various different ways, but that it what it does. 2015-02-16T23:11:00Z ehu: and debian doesn't allow that? 2015-02-16T23:11:26Z faheem_: The gatekeeper who came across this (now over two years) talked some nonsense about not wanting to have an old version of GCC in the distribution, and suggested I upgrade to the current version. 2015-02-16T23:11:29Z faheem_: Ha ha ha 2015-02-16T23:11:49Z faheem_: He was apparently under the impression that the thing was a compiler. Which it isn't. 2015-02-16T23:12:15Z ehu: explaining didn't help? 2015-02-16T23:12:16Z JuanDaugherty: ha 2015-02-16T23:12:24Z faheem_: I tried to explain, but was completely ignored. That is how Debian is sometimes. In some ways it isn't different from other orgs. 2015-02-16T23:12:43Z faheem_: ehu: Apparently not. Nobody got back to me, so I have no idea what they thought if anything. 2015-02-16T23:12:56Z faheem_: FWIW, the packaging I produces works. 2015-02-16T23:13:24Z faheem_: Though CCLs insane choice to be only compilable by the same version didn't help matters. 2015-02-16T23:13:28Z ehu: faheem_: so maybe produce independent-but-compliant packages? 2015-02-16T23:13:46Z faheem_: ehu: i don't follow 2015-02-16T23:14:05Z ehu: well, people can download packages from other sources and install them on their system, right? 2015-02-16T23:14:09Z ehu: so, my point is: 2015-02-16T23:14:19Z psilord1 left #lisp 2015-02-16T23:14:25Z ehu: if people can download and run yours, 2015-02-16T23:14:41Z faheem_: ehu: you mean put the Debian sources in some third party location? 2015-02-16T23:14:41Z ehu: then it may be easier for Debian to accept them? 2015-02-16T23:14:45Z ehu: yes. 2015-02-16T23:15:07Z Ralt_ quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-02-16T23:15:09Z faheem_: Sure, I could do that. So could anyone else. I've documented the procedure. But I didn't get the impression there was much interest. 2015-02-16T23:15:32Z Ralt_ joined #lisp 2015-02-16T23:17:33Z Shinmera: A general lisp debian repository with implementation packages would be nice. 2015-02-16T23:17:59Z faheem_: Shinmera: some of the other ones are in Debian 2015-02-16T23:18:06Z Shinmera: I know 2015-02-16T23:18:30Z Shinmera: But that repo could offer more up-to-date packages as well as impls that aren't in Debian proper. 2015-02-16T23:18:35Z faheem_: ccl and abcl are the obvious exceptions. probably clasp will be in Debian before ccl is 2015-02-16T23:18:40Z munksgaard joined #lisp 2015-02-16T23:19:05Z Ralt_: just showing off: http://i.imgur.com/lvFlXew.png 2015-02-16T23:20:01Z Ralt_: Shinmera: do you mean something like a ppa? 2015-02-16T23:20:32Z Shinmera: Probably. Whatever the thing is called that you can add to include different source servers for packages, I can't recall. 2015-02-16T23:21:50Z faheem_: Shinmera: well i could do that for CCL I guess. But I'd like to see some actual evidence of interest. There is a outstanding bug open. but I think only one person has pinged me on it in the last few years. 2015-02-16T23:22:30Z Shinmera: I'd be interested for one, so that I could get CCL running and updated comfortably on my servers. 2015-02-16T23:22:46Z clintm: Is there a way to tell slime that I would like to inspect the contents of everything in a backtrace? I'm debugging hunchentoot handlers, and I'll like to view as much as I can. I've got (declare (optimize (debug 3))) at the top of the handlers I'm trying to debug, but I wonder if there's more I can do 2015-02-16T23:22:57Z zolk3ri quit (Quit: Lost terminal) 2015-02-16T23:23:33Z faheem_: Shinmera: well, maybe you could ping the bug report 2015-02-16T23:23:38Z clintm: The values in the top level of the hander are expandable, but the values in deeper functions aren't inspectable. 2015-02-16T23:23:59Z mishoo quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-02-16T23:24:04Z faheem_: The more people that are interested, the more of an incentive I have to do something about it 2015-02-16T23:24:12Z Shinmera: faheem_: Do you have a link to that handy? 2015-02-16T23:24:31Z Shinmera: I can't do it right now as I should've been in bed an hour ago, but I'll get to it tomorrow most likely. 2015-02-16T23:24:38Z clintm: Ralt_: ooo, that's cool. 2015-02-16T23:24:46Z faheem_: Shinmera: yes, but try googling ccl debian and see if you get it. as an exercise. 2015-02-16T23:25:18Z faheem_: hmm, it's hit number 2 here 2015-02-16T23:25:34Z Shinmera: faheem_: Ah, whadda ya know. I had my browser closed and was lazy. Apologies :) 2015-02-16T23:25:54Z Shinmera: Anyway, good night #lispers 2015-02-16T23:26:20Z faheem_: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=609047 2015-02-16T23:26:21Z Shinmera quit (Quit: しつれいしなければならないんです。) 2015-02-16T23:26:24Z faheem_: Shinmera: ^^ 2015-02-16T23:26:30Z ehu quit (Quit: Leaving.) 2015-02-16T23:29:52Z paroneayea quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-02-16T23:30:19Z paroneayea joined #lisp 2015-02-16T23:31:12Z dafunkti_ quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-02-16T23:31:49Z dafunktion joined #lisp 2015-02-16T23:33:05Z antonv joined #lisp 2015-02-16T23:36:25Z dafunktion quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2015-02-16T23:36:51Z Patzy quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2015-02-16T23:37:30Z Patzy joined #lisp 2015-02-16T23:38:12Z joast quit (Quit: Leaving.) 2015-02-16T23:39:42Z dafunktion joined #lisp 2015-02-16T23:41:32Z hiyosi quit (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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