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Why can't you use quicklisp? 2015-01-26T01:05:23Z nyef: Why can't you use it to at least get a coherent collection of libraries? 2015-01-26T01:06:24Z EvW quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2015-01-26T01:06:41Z echo-are` quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-01-26T01:07:11Z jumblerg joined #lisp 2015-01-26T01:07:37Z rpg: nyef: I have to deliver this to a location that is air-gapped. 2015-01-26T01:07:40Z yaewa quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-01-26T01:08:15Z moei joined #lisp 2015-01-26T01:09:10Z nyef: So? You use a clean quicklisp to get the libraries you need, copy the entire quicklisp directory to your removable media, and done. 2015-01-26T01:10:06Z rpg: nyef: It's going to undergo modification there, so would like to have everything in git. 2015-01-26T01:10:18Z Denommus joined #lisp 2015-01-26T01:10:21Z nyef: Okay, that's a fair point. 2015-01-26T01:10:31Z nyef: Good luck, then. 2015-01-26T01:10:39Z rpg: Computer security software.... 2015-01-26T01:12:54Z rpg: There are hints on google of various people having CFFI problems like this one, but alas, all I have found are the questions, unstuck from the answers. 2015-01-26T01:13:08Z rpg: pjb had the same issue a couple of years ago... 2015-01-26T01:17:23Z k-dawg joined #lisp 2015-01-26T01:18:59Z tsumetai quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-01-26T01:19:19Z jumblerg quit (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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At cl-csv's readme, there is a "multiline quoted data" mentioned... is that what i need here? somebody experienced with cl-csv? 2015-01-26T01:39:38Z enitiz joined #lisp 2015-01-26T01:40:35Z harish joined #lisp 2015-01-26T01:42:46Z Denommus` joined #lisp 2015-01-26T01:44:05Z nyef: daniel__1: You might (or might not) be better off with fare-csv. 2015-01-26T01:44:50Z nyef: I get a LOT of random crap in CSVs, and typically the main issue as far as getting it parsed to rows is figuring out what text encoding is being used. 2015-01-26T01:45:09Z nyef: (Had a cp437 from one source that usually ships cp1252, for example.) 2015-01-26T01:45:14Z Denommus quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-01-26T01:45:37Z daniel__1: nyef: i had the same problem before - i think you helped me there 2 weeks ago =) 2015-01-26T01:46:07Z nyef: I might have. If I did, then you're welcome. 2015-01-26T01:47:03Z daniel__1: nyef: i will take a look at fare-csv then, hopefully there is my problem handled.. 2015-01-26T01:47:28Z tsumetai quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-01-26T01:47:57Z daniel__1: nyef: if not, i will take my first deeper look into cl source code, maybe i find something. will be timeconsuming so. 2015-01-26T01:48:26Z nyef: Shouldn't be too timeconsuming. It's not like you have to write your own buffer handling, for example. 2015-01-26T01:48:53Z gigetoo joined #lisp 2015-01-26T01:50:35Z daniel__1: nyef: well, i hope. i am quite a noob, so it will not be fast. i'll try fare-csv first, so maybe my tax-calculation will still be in time xD 2015-01-26T01:50:55Z nand1 quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-01-26T01:55:54Z Denommus` is now known as Denommus 2015-01-26T01:58:59Z rpg quit (Quit: rpg) 2015-01-26T02:01:53Z nell quit (Quit: WeeChat 1.2-dev) 2015-01-26T02:02:16Z nell joined #lisp 2015-01-26T02:06:43Z daniel__1: nyef: fare-csv gives me an error: "unexpected end of stream in quotes" when evaluating (fare-csv:read-csv-file "paypal-multiline-feed.csv") - i am quite sure it's the #0a-character in the quoted field. 2015-01-26T02:07:18Z Zhivago: If only csv were well specified ... 2015-01-26T02:07:25Z nyef: daniel__1: That doesn't seem right... 2015-01-26T02:07:48Z Zhivago: Perhaps there are some random options to pick some random dialect of csv that will fit? 2015-01-26T02:10:28Z Karl_Dscc quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-01-26T02:10:43Z daniel__1: hmm, not sure with fare-csv -- with cl-csv there were some - also an end of line key-argument, but that'S not the right solution, since the character in the field is the same as at the end of the file (hexcode: #0a) 2015-01-26T02:11:10Z daniel__1: nyef: you mean my analysis of my problem or the usage? 2015-01-26T02:11:29Z nyef: Your analysis of the problem. 2015-01-26T02:11:57Z nyef: Assuming that the csv file is well-formed, there should be some combination of options to fare-csv that will allow it to parse. 2015-01-26T02:14:05Z daniel__1: yes, i think thats true. Okay, then i have to understand how to read in a csv-file, with newlines in some fields. I will check all options of fare-csv properly. 2015-01-26T02:15:01Z Zhivago: Can you easily translate it to tsv? 2015-01-26T02:15:22Z Zhivago: csv is a pit of horror that can be made to usually, mostly work. 2015-01-26T02:16:17Z jbkcc joined #lisp 2015-01-26T02:17:41Z daniel__1: Zhivago: not tried yet,.. i would need to convert it somehow (more pitfalls?) 2015-01-26T02:19:31Z daniel__1: the file is a .csv from paypal - the transaction fields with monetary values contain commas, but every field is properly quoted. So i guess substituting the separator should work. 2015-01-26T02:20:50Z echo-area joined #lisp 2015-01-26T02:22:46Z daniel__1: but until now, i dont think the separator is the problem. At reading in the file with cl-csv, i got the error message right at the point, where a newline-character inside a double-quoted field appears... with fare-csv only the "unexpected quote in middle of field"-error. 2015-01-26T02:24:08Z Jameser` quit (Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)) 2015-01-26T02:24:48Z _1_NewMan left #lisp 2015-01-26T02:25:05Z kriyative joined #lisp 2015-01-26T02:25:18Z gabriel_laddel: http://i.imgur.com/YDS7DZR.png 2015-01-26T02:25:19Z gabriel_laddel: http://i.imgur.com/er5HT6O.png 2015-01-26T02:25:19Z gabriel_laddel: http://i.imgur.com/nsvxhzs.png 2015-01-26T02:30:29Z daniel__1: gabriel_laddel: nice wave visualisations - you are using emacs, stumpwm and opengl to get this? 2015-01-26T02:30:35Z kriyative quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2015-01-26T02:30:38Z gabriel_laddel: daniel__1: yep. 2015-01-26T02:30:45Z Bicyclidine quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2015-01-26T02:31:42Z daniel__1: i would like to play with this too. very beautiful 2015-01-26T02:32:53Z daniel__1: gabriel_laddel: is this "masamune tutorial" public? 2015-01-26T02:33:07Z gabriel_laddel: daniel__1: nope. 2015-01-26T02:33:10Z gabriel_laddel: well, yes 2015-01-26T02:33:16Z gabriel_laddel: but not ready for use yet 2015-01-26T02:33:52Z gabriel_laddel: I'd guess about 1.5 months 2015-01-26T02:34:02Z gabriel_laddel: The tutorials are "dialed-in" 2015-01-26T02:34:48Z daniel__1: okay cool, thanks in advance! dialed-in where? 2015-01-26T02:35:08Z gabriel_laddel: by "dialed-in" I mean everything is connected. Specifically, you can specify something like "I want the user to read this page, then switch to 1/2 emacs, 1/2 browser and open xyz url" 2015-01-26T02:35:44Z gabriel_laddel: the browser has a parenscript repl 2015-01-26T02:35:49Z tsumetai joined #lisp 2015-01-26T02:35:54Z gabriel_laddel: by default, mcclim and stumpwm. 2015-01-26T02:36:03Z gabriel_laddel: and opengl true 3d plotting and maxima 2015-01-26T02:36:27Z daniel__1: gabriel_laddel: wow - nice setup! i visioned to get this for my bookmarks/surfing-experience one day. hmmm, this sounds like i felt asleep already 2015-01-26T02:37:11Z gabriel_laddel: daniel__1: so I broke that functionality, but am fixing it. you can 'bookmark' the state of the entire system 2015-01-26T02:37:46Z protist joined #lisp 2015-01-26T02:38:22Z daniel__1: can one follow somewhere the process of developement soon or do i just have to monitor this channel? 2015-01-26T02:38:27Z protist: froggey: wow I just dowloaded Mezzanine and played with it some, very impressive :D 2015-01-26T02:38:43Z sword quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-01-26T02:38:43Z gabriel_laddel: daniel__1: https://github.com/gabriel-laddel/masamune 2015-01-26T02:39:09Z protist: froggey: if you switch over to clasp and use C to get some other languages going...then it would become a very tempting platform 2015-01-26T02:39:29Z protist: froggey: well that and get the gc more real-time 2015-01-26T02:39:44Z protist: froggey: is it open source yet? 2015-01-26T02:39:44Z daniel__1: gabriel_laddel: kewl! thank you - nice readme :) 2015-01-26T02:40:16Z ruste_ quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-01-26T02:40:24Z gabriel_laddel: daniel__1: see system.org if you want actual details 2015-01-26T02:40:46Z tsumetai quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2015-01-26T02:42:42Z daniel__1: gabriel_laddel: i will - and after solving my csv-problem and bookkeeping stuff, i will start reading your code - you mixed some topics i really like and planned to see in such a way. 2015-01-26T02:43:00Z Bicyclidine joined #lisp 2015-01-26T02:43:31Z gabriel_laddel: daniel__1: feel free to shoot me an email if you want to chat 2015-01-26T02:44:07Z gabriel_laddel: daniel__1: I need to push code to the repo atm. have meetings and such coming up and will probably get around to doing that in the next 3 days. 2015-01-26T02:44:35Z Denommus` joined #lisp 2015-01-26T02:44:57Z daniel__1: gabriel_laddel: thank you - i will as soon as i tried it - will take at least same amount of time for sure 2015-01-26T02:46:13Z Denommus quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-01-26T02:46:45Z Denommus` is now known as Denommus 2015-01-26T02:48:23Z Bicyclidine quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2015-01-26T02:49:11Z intinig joined #lisp 2015-01-26T02:51:14Z innertracks quit (Quit: innertracks) 2015-01-26T02:54:25Z jumblerg quit (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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Pardon me for asking a question that you've probably been asked a dozen times. 2015-01-26T03:10:55Z protist: drmeister: If he doesn't answer...I think this log might http://log.irc.tymoon.eu/freenode/lisp?around=2015-01-25T15:08:33&types=mnaot#1422198513 2015-01-26T03:11:14Z protist: drmeister: think in there somewhere he said it was his own Lisp with parts of SBCL or something 2015-01-26T03:11:30Z protist: drmeister: could be wrong though, too lazy to look :p 2015-01-26T03:11:41Z gabriel_laddel: protist: that is correct. 2015-01-26T03:11:52Z gabriel_laddel: specifically "his own Lisp with parts of SBCL or something" 2015-01-26T03:12:07Z protist: gabriel_laddel: :) 2015-01-26T03:12:21Z nyef: ... Forgot to ask about the host environment. 2015-01-26T03:12:33Z nyef: froggey: What do you use as a host build environment? 2015-01-26T03:12:38Z protist: drmeister: imagine if he hooked it up to clasp, then got a few other C languages running on there :D 2015-01-26T03:13:18Z protist: drmeister: if we could get the gc faster and more real-time...it would be VERY exciting :D 2015-01-26T03:14:10Z j_king_mezza: a GC'd OS. :) 2015-01-26T03:14:19Z protist: I basically want all my other languages and stuff to work on a Lisp OS...maybe I am a dreamer :p 2015-01-26T03:14:48Z protist: j_king_mezza: the little line in the upper left is a status bar 2015-01-26T03:14:59Z protist: j_king_mezza: if it is purple I think it is GCing 2015-01-26T03:16:05Z kapil__ joined #lisp 2015-01-26T03:17:41Z nyef: protist: Bah. Use Zeta-C or similar! 2015-01-26T03:17:47Z Vutral quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-01-26T03:17:58Z nyef: Now, as far as the GC goes, I'm kindof looking forward to taking a look at it. 2015-01-26T03:18:20Z nyef: It'll be a nice change to work on a non-SBCL GC for a bit. 2015-01-26T03:18:23Z j_king_mezza: protist: yes, I read the README. I'm just learning to work on the linux kernel and it's quite funny to be running a GC'd OS. 2015-01-26T03:18:29Z j_king_mezza: well... not that funny I guess 2015-01-26T03:18:47Z nyef: j_king_mezza: What are you doing with the Linux kernel? 2015-01-26T03:18:55Z protist: nyef: that is cool! 2015-01-26T03:19:00Z j_king_mezza: but I'm tired and wanted to try the demo. An x86 Lisp OS has been on the tongue of many for years afaict 2015-01-26T03:19:24Z nyef: Mmm. I tried my hand at an x86 SBCL OS about nine years ago or thereabouts. 2015-01-26T03:20:01Z j_king_mezza: nyef: nothing much yet. running through the eudyptula challenges. i do a lot of work on OpenStack at the dayjob... figure knowing it all the way down to the metal will at least make things interesting. 2015-01-26T03:20:04Z protist: nyef: is zeta-c good enough to handle device drivers and inline assembly? 2015-01-26T03:20:17Z protist: nyef: if so that could be amazing for Mezzanine 2015-01-26T03:20:35Z nyef: protist: Umm... Why would you bother? Writing device drivers in Lisp is fun! 2015-01-26T03:21:04Z protist: nyef: I am sure it is. The problem is I don't want to write drivers for every device in existence 2015-01-26T03:21:21Z protist: nyef: let some nerds handle that....I'll write my APL interpreter ;) 2015-01-26T03:21:27Z |3b| suspects the overlap of "systems zeta-c compiles for" and "systems targetted by inline asm in C code" is fairly small :p 2015-01-26T03:21:28Z nyef: Then don't. Just write the ones that you need. 2015-01-26T03:22:25Z |3b| also expects most device drivers make assumptions about the compiler, host kernel, etc, so wouldn't be working/reliable even if you could make them compile 2015-01-26T03:22:35Z nyef: That too. 2015-01-26T03:23:27Z |3b|: rewriting the entire linux driver API and all the subsystems drivers might depend on probably isn't much better than writing a few drivers 2015-01-26T03:24:09Z vydd joined #lisp 2015-01-26T03:24:34Z nyef: Seriously, though, my main concern is that Linux just doesn't work right with some of the hardware that I have available, making it even less likely that a working driver will be written for a LispOS. 2015-01-26T03:24:47Z nyef: A secondary concern is ACPI. 2015-01-26T03:25:36Z protist: here I am showing off how my APL has separate monadic and dyadic meanings of user defined things...and an example of using a higher order function: http://pastebin.com/wADCH6Yh 2015-01-26T03:25:44Z protist: my interpreter is written in Common Lisp 2015-01-26T03:27:03Z nyef: Hrm. The Eudyptula challenge looks interesting, but at the same time there's not enough information there to let me know if it's worth my time or not. 2015-01-26T03:27:34Z scymtym quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2015-01-26T03:27:52Z nyef: I suspect that the first several exercises will be more basic than I might want to bother with. 2015-01-26T03:28:23Z ebrasca quit (Quit: ebrasca) 2015-01-26T03:28:45Z j_king_mezza: http://dataorienteddesign.com -- wonder why its assumed to be mutually exclusive from GC and why it seems ot assume "code is data too" is a novel idea 2015-01-26T03:28:59Z protist: you can also write Common Lisp functions where the body is an APL string that can refer to Common Lisp variables, like (apl-defun copy-matrix (|m|) "m[⍳⍴m]") 2015-01-26T03:30:24Z Vutral joined #lisp 2015-01-26T03:30:37Z duggiefresh joined #lisp 2015-01-26T03:32:32Z nyef: j_king_mezza: Where does it say anything about GC? 2015-01-26T03:33:23Z nyef: Oh. In the "beta" book, linked from a surprisingly subtle sidebar? 2015-01-26T03:34:24Z hitecnologys quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-01-26T03:35:06Z Vutral quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2015-01-26T03:35:25Z j_king_mezza: nyef: I'm reading into it too much. Half-remembered conversations from jon blow wrt. his 'jai' compiler 2015-01-26T03:35:31Z nyef: Ah. 2015-01-26T03:35:53Z j_king_mezza: iirc, and I may be wrong here, there's a strong belief that you can't have dod/fast-programs in the presence of GC 2015-01-26T03:36:52Z Zhivago: Given data flow, you don't need GC. 2015-01-26T03:37:42Z Zhivago: Or, rather, you don't need intelligent GC -- anything that isn't emitted is garbage when the unit has been processed. 2015-01-26T03:38:03Z Zhivago: Presumably this is the approach they're taking -- where is their manifesto? 2015-01-26T03:38:13Z Adlai: http://dataorienteddesign.com/dodmain/node2.html 2015-01-26T03:38:41Z hitecnologys joined #lisp 2015-01-26T03:40:30Z JohnRimbaud joined #lisp 2015-01-26T03:41:11Z Zhivago: Not seeing anything particularly coherent yet -- is there a clear summary? 2015-01-26T03:43:05Z Zhivago: http://gamesfromwithin.com/data-oriented-design 2015-01-26T03:43:46Z Zhivago: Kind of looks like ad hoc hard-coded data-flow. 2015-01-26T03:46:50Z j_king_mezza: Right... design for the hardware and data. Avoid any abstraction that obscures the data flow, etc. 2015-01-26T03:47:16Z Zhivago: Yeah, ok -- in which case, GC is pretty much irrelevant. 2015-01-26T03:47:45Z Zhivago: GC is mostly useful for getting code to co-operate without knowing how data is organized. 2015-01-26T03:47:53Z Denommus quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-01-26T03:47:58Z Zhivago: In data-flow, your GC is mostly moved to graph planning. 2015-01-26T03:48:12Z Zhivago: And the graph planning in this DOD seems to be manual. 2015-01-26T03:52:55Z bgs100 quit (Quit: bgs100) 2015-01-26T03:53:28Z nand1 joined #lisp 2015-01-26T03:55:50Z theos quit (Disconnected by services) 2015-01-26T03:55:59Z beach joined #lisp 2015-01-26T03:56:06Z beach: Good morning everyone! 2015-01-26T03:56:06Z minion: beach, memo from Shinmera: Well, Clasp didn't make it before midnight, as I expected. Here's what it managed to produce: http://plaster.tymoon.eu/view/8Q# 2015-01-26T03:56:13Z nyef: Hello beach. 2015-01-26T03:56:24Z theos joined #lisp 2015-01-26T03:56:28Z Vutral joined #lisp 2015-01-26T04:00:21Z j_king_mezza: Zhivago: that is certainly one way of looking at it. Defining the access patterns up-front in array-processing pipelines. 2015-01-26T04:00:58Z j_king_mezza: You get a fair bit of duplication/copying in some parts in order to keep "hot paths" loaded 2015-01-26T04:01:44Z nikki93 joined #lisp 2015-01-26T04:01:47Z j_king_mezza: but what was the essential idea of GC? to automate access patterns? skimming old mccarthy papers atm to try and get the gist of it... maybe they're orthogonal 2015-01-26T04:02:08Z j_king_mezza: and that's why the DOD manifesto leaves it out 2015-01-26T04:02:34Z psy joined #lisp 2015-01-26T04:03:18Z beach: j_king_mezza: You want to know about GC? Read the Garbage Collection Handbook by Jones. 2015-01-26T04:03:29Z zacharias quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-01-26T04:03:56Z beach: It is not great writing, but it is a complete collection of the most common algorithms. 2015-01-26T04:04:18Z j_king_mezza: beach: thanks. just trying to better understand "data oriented design" 2015-01-26T04:04:21Z zacharias joined #lisp 2015-01-26T04:05:58Z Denommus joined #lisp 2015-01-26T04:06:26Z beach: I see. 2015-01-26T04:06:41Z j_king_mezza: might just end up being a lot of noise being made by game developers seeing the world through a lense of specialized array processing pipelines. :) 2015-01-26T04:06:55Z scymtym joined #lisp 2015-01-26T04:07:12Z beach: I think it has some value. 2015-01-26T04:07:28Z beach: Maybe not for an entire system, but for "inner loops". 2015-01-26T04:10:17Z j_king_mezza: indeed it does, hence my curiosity. :) 2015-01-26T04:10:46Z j_king_mezza: that's how I came to lisp in the first place... to win an argument that it's not a relevant or particularly useful language. 2015-01-26T04:10:55Z j_king_mezza: i lost. happily. :) 2015-01-26T04:11:34Z j_king_mezza: this mezzanine OS is pretty nifty. :) 2015-01-26T04:12:34Z doesthiswork quit (Quit: Leaving.) 2015-01-26T04:12:49Z beach: Yeah, it's a step up from Movitz 2015-01-26T04:14:18Z nikki93 quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-01-26T04:16:32Z nikki93 joined #lisp 2015-01-26T04:17:08Z jumblerg quit (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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With this, we look at it and it's amazing, and there's a lot that we can do to make it even better. 2015-01-26T04:29:42Z j_king_mezza: with some work 2015-01-26T04:29:53Z j_king_mezza: cool 2015-01-26T04:30:04Z nyef: Supposedly it originally did boot on bare metal, but there was some issue of metal fatigue... 2015-01-26T04:30:06Z j_king_mezza: i look forward to learning more. 2015-01-26T04:31:31Z protist: nyef: is that a nerd-joke...or do you mean something by that? 2015-01-26T04:31:55Z elimik31 quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2015-01-26T04:32:14Z nyef: A bit of both: He said that the computer he was using for bare-metal testing broke. 2015-01-26T04:32:22Z protist: nyef: wow! 2015-01-26T04:32:42Z nyef: Not that uncommon, same thing happened with SBCL-os. 2015-01-26T04:32:54Z protist: nyef: like it fried it? 2015-01-26T04:33:11Z protist: nyef: or just BIOS stuff or some sort of "bricking" (I'm not an OS guy) 2015-01-26T04:33:18Z nyef: In my case, like it was a decade-only piece of junk at the time. 2015-01-26T04:33:26Z nyef: s/only/old/ 2015-01-26T04:34:03Z protist: maybe we should be looking at ARM...just thinking 2015-01-26T04:34:09Z nyef: IIRC, the display panel gave up the bottom two thirds of its ghost. 2015-01-26T04:34:42Z protist: can get ARM machines cheaper 2015-01-26T04:34:55Z protist: or cheaply...idk haven't looked for cheap x86 2015-01-26T04:35:51Z nand1 quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-01-26T04:36:05Z nyef: Cheap x86? Used or new? 2015-01-26T04:36:23Z protist: new...I'm thinking like Raspi type of stuff 2015-01-26T04:36:24Z elimik31 joined #lisp 2015-01-26T04:36:30Z protist: something you could fail on then iterate 2015-01-26T04:36:38Z nikki93 quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-01-26T04:36:50Z nyef: Umm... Didn't Intel just put out some small system for hacking with? 2015-01-26T04:37:03Z nikki93 joined #lisp 2015-01-26T04:37:04Z Evanescence joined #lisp 2015-01-26T04:37:07Z protist: yeah I vaguely remember some exciting new VERY cheap thing 2015-01-26T04:39:01Z nyef: I remember hearing about it and being all "yeah, whatever". 2015-01-26T04:39:07Z beach: I see NUC, but I see nothing cheap. 2015-01-26T04:39:31Z nyef: If you want cheap x86, hit up a flea market. 2015-01-26T04:39:43Z nyef: Get something that's about two generations behind state-of-the-art. 2015-01-26T04:39:46Z nyef: Done. 2015-01-26T04:39:50Z beach: Even 64-bit? 2015-01-26T04:39:56Z protist: but would probably want something modern enough for serious testing 2015-01-26T04:39:57Z nyef: Yes. 2015-01-26T04:40:10Z beach: That's probably the best option, then. 2015-01-26T04:40:48Z harish quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2015-01-26T04:40:53Z nyef: I've got a couple of 64-bit x86 boxes kicking around. One doesn't seem to support wifi in linux, one has a busted cooling fan, one has something wrong with the backlight and a dead battery... 2015-01-26T04:41:19Z drmeister: protist: The only indication that I saw that it was C based was when froggy said: "so I could use clang's C++ API, instead of the C API?" to me. 2015-01-26T04:41:57Z protist: drmeister: ah 2015-01-26T04:42:16Z drmeister: The "instead of the C API" suggested that he's using LLVM? The mind boggles. 2015-01-26T04:42:26Z protist: drmeister: Bjarne would be so happy if our OS used only C++ and no C lol 2015-01-26T04:42:34Z theos: ahoy! 2015-01-26T04:42:35Z Ethan- quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2015-01-26T04:44:22Z j_king_mezza: yikes. 2015-01-26T04:46:12Z j_king_mezza: don't accidentally eval a function that generates a circular list in the main t 2015-01-26T04:46:15Z j_king_mezza: thread 2015-01-26T04:46:35Z j_king_mezza: didn't crash though, which is nice. 2015-01-26T04:47:07Z strat0cat quit (Quit: ERC (IRC client for Emacs 25.0.50.1)) 2015-01-26T04:47:17Z beach: What happened? 2015-01-26T04:47:27Z j_king_mezza: nyef: i keep old laptops around to test code on pathoical hardware. 2015-01-26T04:47:46Z daniel__1 quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2015-01-26T04:47:54Z j_king_mezza: beach: it's just locking up in huge pauses. 2015-01-26T04:48:18Z nikki93 quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-01-26T04:48:52Z beach: j_king_mezza: And you are sure it wasn't just a random GC? 2015-01-26T04:49:37Z nyef: I'm curious... *print-circle* ? (-: 2015-01-26T04:50:48Z j_king_mezza: it's still GC'ing super-frequently. 2015-01-26T04:51:09Z j_king_mezza: barely useable... but I'll see if I can get it to print the list. :) 2015-01-26T04:51:18Z Sgeo joined #lisp 2015-01-26T04:51:48Z nyef: It'll probably break soon, due to running out of memory. Or it'll blow a stack. 2015-01-26T04:53:06Z harish joined #lisp 2015-01-26T04:53:52Z Sgeo_ quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2015-01-26T04:54:24Z protist: Mezzanine excites me irrationally 2015-01-26T04:54:36Z lynx` joined #lisp 2015-01-26T04:54:39Z protist: someone make it fast, then make it run everything I am used to 2015-01-26T04:54:54Z lynx` left #lisp 2015-01-26T04:55:03Z protist: or release some dev notes and the source 2015-01-26T04:55:05Z protist: lol 2015-01-26T04:55:19Z protist: and it needs vim :P 2015-01-26T04:55:29Z j_king_mezza: nyef: no luck. it hates bad code. :) 2015-01-26T04:55:39Z yeticry quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-01-26T04:55:52Z j_king_mezza: but yeah, running out of mem 2015-01-26T04:56:08Z nyef: protist: You up for rewriting vim in Lisp? 2015-01-26T04:56:11Z p_l: beach: I had 64bit hw going back to ~ early 2006 (x86-64) 2015-01-26T04:56:35Z |3b|: 'galileo' is a relatively cheap intel pi-like device, seems pretty weak though 2015-01-26T04:56:41Z protist: nyef: /possibly/ the 20 or so features I use if I have some API info 2015-01-26T04:57:35Z j_king_mezza: pretty cool stuff 2015-01-26T04:57:37Z yeticry joined #lisp 2015-01-26T04:58:14Z j_king_mezza: ttyl... calling it a night. 2015-01-26T04:58:14Z protist: nyef: like start me with a text box and how to sense button presses 2015-01-26T04:58:25Z |3b|: 32 bit, 400Mhz, 256MB :/ 2015-01-26T04:58:29Z protist: nyef: then writing the basics would be fairly straightforward 2015-01-26T04:58:41Z nyef: protist: We should have that once the source is available. 2015-01-26T04:58:50Z protist: nyef: :) 2015-01-26T04:59:02Z protist: nyef: note I am not a vim poweruser 2015-01-26T04:59:11Z protist: nyef: not thinking about plugins etc 2015-01-26T04:59:21Z protist: nyef: maybe make a Lisp plugin util 2015-01-26T04:59:26Z j_king_mezza: ah... doesn't support ACPI :) 2015-01-26T04:59:33Z protist: j_king_mezza: ACPI? 2015-01-26T04:59:46Z nyef: j_king_mezza: Yeah, that's probably going to be a pain and a half. 2015-01-26T05:00:02Z nyef: Maybe we should just port it to PPC and run it on old macs? 2015-01-26T05:01:11Z j_king_mezza quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-01-26T05:01:30Z protist: nyef: how do you do (the-environment) in various non-CLISP Common Lisps? 2015-01-26T05:01:45Z protist: nyef: wanna test some and see if I can take a peek at the REPL on Mezzanine ;P 2015-01-26T05:01:59Z nyef: Not being particularly familiar with CLISP, I have no idea. 2015-01-26T05:02:20Z protist: nyef: in CLISP (the-environment) returns the environment for use with eval-env and such 2015-01-26T05:02:31Z protist: nyef: but I don't know how to do it in other Lisps 2015-01-26T05:02:44Z elimik31 quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-01-26T05:02:53Z nyef: Umm... That sounds spectacularly unportable. 2015-01-26T05:03:02Z protist: nyef: was thinking that would be a way to peek in the env of Mezzanine...because the REPL in Mezzanine doesn't seem terribly meta 2015-01-26T05:04:00Z protist: nyef: it does seem spectacularly unportable, and probably is...I am abusing eval-env a bit in my APL interpreter because I am naughty :p 2015-01-26T05:05:14Z protist: nyef: imagine you have a list of indices for a multidimensional matrix, and you want to setf that spot....(setf (aref matrix indices) newval) doesn't work....thus I have to splice the indices into code and use eval-env : 2015-01-26T05:05:16Z protist: :p 2015-01-26T05:05:17Z protist: * 2015-01-26T05:05:51Z |3b|: (setf (apply #'aref matrix indices) newval)? 2015-01-26T05:05:52Z nyef: You're allowed to (setf (apply #'aref something something) value) 2015-01-26T05:06:00Z LiamH quit (Quit: Leaving.) 2015-01-26T05:06:13Z Denommus quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-01-26T05:06:13Z protist: |3b|: tested IIRC, doesn't work because setf then sees apply 2015-01-26T05:06:16Z nyef: It's explicitly required to be legal in the spec. 2015-01-26T05:06:25Z |3b|: clhs 5.1.2.5 2015-01-26T05:06:25Z specbot: APPLY Forms as Places: http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/05_abe.htm 2015-01-26T05:06:27Z protist: nyef: really? 2015-01-26T05:06:35Z MrWoohoo quit (Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]) 2015-01-26T05:06:36Z |3b|: AREF is required to work there 2015-01-26T05:06:44Z protist: maybe I did it wrong, let me test again 2015-01-26T05:07:06Z nyef: Next thing we know, you'll have run into some issues with VALUES places. 2015-01-26T05:08:16Z protist: wow! it does work 2015-01-26T05:08:26Z protist: I swear I tried that...must have tried it badly hahah 2015-01-26T05:08:36Z protist: that fixes a MAJOR headache for me 2015-01-26T05:09:01Z nyef: Oh, right. I was using SyM 2015-01-26T05:09:05Z protist: nyef: |3b|: thanks :) 2015-01-26T05:09:19Z nyef: SYMBOL-MACROLET to alias VALUES places to single symbols for use with SETF. 2015-01-26T05:13:14Z gingerale joined #lisp 2015-01-26T05:14:35Z Denommus joined #lisp 2015-01-26T05:16:16Z innertracks joined #lisp 2015-01-26T05:16:38Z ivan\ quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-01-26T05:16:46Z ivan\ joined #lisp 2015-01-26T05:20:53Z innertracks quit (Client Quit) 2015-01-26T05:21:38Z shaungilchrist quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-01-26T05:25:09Z ruste_ joined #lisp 2015-01-26T05:26:50Z manuel__ quit (Quit: manuel__) 2015-01-26T05:27:02Z manuel__ joined #lisp 2015-01-26T05:29:40Z nyef: Ugh. Midnight thirty. 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McCLIM does have some issues, but it is quite usable. Some people say it's ugly, so it is a question of how much time you are willing to put into making gadgets that you want, vs the time you want to spend trying to debug the combination of foreign code and Common Lisp. 2015-01-26T06:42:55Z beach: CrazyWoods: The typical strategy seems to be for N people to prefer doing the debugging of foreign code N times, as opposed to N people improving McCLIM so that all N people benefit from a pure Common Lisp solution. Go figure! 2015-01-26T06:44:08Z hvxgr quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-01-26T06:47:27Z doomlord_ joined #lisp 2015-01-26T06:48:52Z mrSpec joined #lisp 2015-01-26T06:49:32Z xificurC joined #lisp 2015-01-26T06:55:03Z jasom: beach: one of these days I'll manage to successfully get a mcclim app working 2015-01-26T06:56:39Z CrazyWoods: beach: McCLIM are still under maintain? 2015-01-26T06:56:46Z CrazyWoods: jasom: what kinds of app? 2015-01-26T06:57:39Z Harag1 quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2015-01-26T06:58:08Z jasom: CrazyWoods: pretty much anything; I must be doing something wrong, since other people use it fine, but I try basic things and clx barfs all over my debugger. I think the bugs are in clx and not mcclim to be fair, but I'm not sure that there is a non clx backend for linux 2015-01-26T06:58:26Z vydd quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-01-26T07:01:06Z vydd joined #lisp 2015-01-26T07:01:06Z vydd quit (Changing host) 2015-01-26T07:01:06Z vydd joined #lisp 2015-01-26T07:01:11Z beach: CrazyWoods: I am the maintainer. You should use my GitHub repository. 2015-01-26T07:01:13Z jasom: CrazyWoods: I use ltk for when I need a gui, but that would be a poor fit for a graphics applciation 2015-01-26T07:01:26Z beach: jasom: Let me know if you need help. 2015-01-26T07:01:56Z jasom: beach: how about which repo on github is yours? slyrus? antifucs? 2015-01-26T07:02:04Z eivarv joined #lisp 2015-01-26T07:02:29Z beach: https://github.com/robert-strandh/McCLIM 2015-01-26T07:02:44Z jasom: hah 3rd match searching google 2015-01-26T07:03:03Z beach: It's an improvement of a merge of several others. 2015-01-26T07:03:56Z jasom: I also seem to recall that about 2 years ago (when I last tried it) I was able to get the demos running without them crashing frequently, which is something I spent about 2 months on-and-off trying to do in 2010 with no luck 2015-01-26T07:05:10Z CrazyWoods: beach: i just use quicklisp to install McCLIM 2015-01-26T07:05:34Z jasom: beach: does mcclim have a windows backend? 2015-01-26T07:07:06Z ggole joined #lisp 2015-01-26T07:09:29Z impulse joined #lisp 2015-01-26T07:10:23Z araujo quit (Quit: Leaving) 2015-01-26T07:12:16Z meihuamath joined #lisp 2015-01-26T07:14:41Z mgjt quit (Quit: leaving) 2015-01-26T07:14:50Z hvxgr joined #lisp 2015-01-26T07:15:50Z Shinmera joined #lisp 2015-01-26T07:18:17Z beach: jasom: It used to. It has not been maintained. It is not directly windows, but goes through another abstraction layer called Graphic Forms. 2015-01-26T07:18:51Z beach: Sorry, got to go. 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Just wanted to let you know I got your email. 2015-01-26T17:46:28Z drmeister: But for you I'll delay. 2015-01-26T17:46:32Z drmeister: Great! 2015-01-26T17:46:40Z beach: No, it's fin. I need to go eat dinner soon. 2015-01-26T17:46:58Z beach: Just one thing. There is another transformation you should do on HIR. 2015-01-26T17:47:12Z drmeister: Ok, respond at your leisure. 2015-01-26T17:47:14Z drmeister: Yes? 2015-01-26T17:47:15Z beach: ... The one that eliminates captured variables. 2015-01-26T17:47:39Z beach: I haven't worked on it for a while so I can't remember the details, but I'll let you know. 2015-01-26T17:47:58Z beach: Next step is to eliminate constants, but I need to think about how to do that. 2015-01-26T17:48:06Z drmeister: Great - thanks. 2015-01-26T17:48:28Z beach: The problem is that I am a bit busy with my papers. I'll try to do as much as I can. 2015-01-26T17:48:50Z drmeister: I still have a little bit of work on my lambda-list processor to get everything into registers the way you specified that Cleavir wants them - any changes there? 2015-01-26T17:48:59Z beach: No. 2015-01-26T17:49:24Z nyef: Hrm... 2015-01-26T17:49:24Z drmeister: The "Enter" HIR instruction lays out what variables are required - yes? 2015-01-26T17:49:33Z beach: Yes. 2015-01-26T17:49:34Z nyef: froggey: You said you wanted a better compiler, didn't you? 2015-01-26T17:49:49Z Denommus quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-01-26T17:49:57Z vanila: is the source code up? 2015-01-26T17:50:38Z drmeister: beach: I'll talk to you later then - have a good dinner. 2015-01-26T17:50:42Z hardenedapple quit (Quit: WeeChat 1.1) 2015-01-26T17:50:42Z beach: drmeister: OK, let's talk more about this when I have had dinner, spent time with my (admittedly small) family, and slept. 2015-01-26T17:50:49Z beach: drmeister: Thanks. 2015-01-26T17:51:52Z shaungilchrist joined #lisp 2015-01-26T17:53:18Z Karl_Dscc quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-01-26T17:53:24Z froggey: nyef: I did. one that can actually do type inference and register allocation would be nice 2015-01-26T17:53:30Z froggey: vanila: not yet 2015-01-26T17:54:05Z elimik31 joined #lisp 2015-01-26T17:54:05Z vanila: a rough bit of register allocation is not hard if you have a graph library 2015-01-26T17:54:42Z beach: SICL has a register allocator based on graph coloring. 2015-01-26T17:54:51Z nand1 joined #lisp 2015-01-26T17:55:14Z nyef: I'm back to the point of thinking about SBCL-os again. 2015-01-26T17:55:21Z froggey: SICL? 2015-01-26T17:55:33Z beach: minion: Please tell froggey about SICL. 2015-01-26T17:55:33Z minion: froggey: SICL: SICL is a (perhaps futile) attempt to re-implement Common Lisp from scratch, hopefully using improved programming and bootstrapping techniques. See https://github.com/robert-strandh/SICL 2015-01-26T17:55:40Z beach: I guess I should have said Cleavir rather than SICL. 2015-01-26T17:55:56Z beach: minion: Please tell froggey about Cleavir. 2015-01-26T17:55:56Z minion: froggey: Cleavir: A project to create an implementation-independent compilation framework for Common Lisp. Currently Cleavir is part of SICL, but that might change in the future 2015-01-26T17:56:19Z beach: nyef: I can see why! :) 2015-01-26T17:57:19Z dagnachew joined #lisp 2015-01-26T17:57:20Z beach: froggey: The register allocator is in SICL/Code/Cleavir/Register-allocation/ 2015-01-26T17:58:03Z bb010g quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) 2015-01-26T17:58:04Z psy quit (Disconnected by services) 2015-01-26T17:58:18Z intinig joined #lisp 2015-01-26T17:58:48Z psy_ joined #lisp 2015-01-26T17:59:02Z beach: Dinner. I might be back later. 2015-01-26T17:59:17Z froggey: how complete is the compiler as a whole? could I easily replace my existing compiler with it? 2015-01-26T17:59:22Z froggey: alright 2015-01-26T17:59:43Z ynniv joined #lisp 2015-01-26T18:00:19Z kcj joined #lisp 2015-01-26T18:00:23Z vanila: froggey, it's not done yet 2015-01-26T18:00:37Z vanila: but I think you could steal just that part 2015-01-26T18:00:40Z vanila: (if you wanted it) 2015-01-26T18:00:51Z froggey: register allocation was just an example 2015-01-26T18:01:49Z nyef: froggey: Oh, right. I wanted to ask what you were using for a build environment. 2015-01-26T18:02:28Z elimik31 quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-01-26T18:02:46Z Odaym joined #lisp 2015-01-26T18:02:51Z MarkusBarthlen quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2015-01-26T18:03:22Z Odaym: do I pick up SICP or ANSI C? 2015-01-26T18:03:35Z vanila: what for 2015-01-26T18:03:50Z froggey: SBCL is used to cross-compile and generate the initial image, everything else is built on mezzanine 2015-01-26T18:03:59Z froggey: er, mezzano 2015-01-26T18:04:01Z vanila: if you want to learn lisp, SICP would be better 2015-01-26T18:04:08Z Hache_ quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-01-26T18:04:08Z Petit_Dejeuner__ quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-01-26T18:04:15Z Odaym: well I've known only C++ and then Java and now work as Android programmer, I want to learn something completely different and ..LARGER 2015-01-26T18:04:37Z Odaym: but I dont want to be bogged down by the "kinds of applications that this language is fit for" 2015-01-26T18:04:38Z vanila: yeah you should learn lisp then 2015-01-26T18:04:40Z bobbysmith0071: Odaym: then SICP, ANSI C is decidedly smaller and "less" 2015-01-26T18:04:48Z nyef: Not much larger than Java. 2015-01-26T18:04:57Z zadock quit (Quit: Leaving) 2015-01-26T18:05:01Z nyef: Err... THERE'S not much larger than Java. 2015-01-26T18:05:14Z Odaym: cause I read Hackers and Painters, and I've tried before to follow along SICP video lectures 2015-01-26T18:05:23Z Odaym: so I've always been so intrigued by lisp and even tried Racket once 2015-01-26T18:05:37Z nyef: If you've read Hackers and Painters, have you also read Dabblers and Blowhards? 2015-01-26T18:05:40Z Odaym: but it always felt like I never understood what I was writing 2015-01-26T18:06:00Z Odaym: Hackers and Painters is a great book. 2015-01-26T18:06:20Z Zhivago: odaym: If you can do one lisp, the others are pretty straight-forward. 2015-01-26T18:06:21Z Denommus joined #lisp 2015-01-26T18:06:29Z joneshf-laptop joined #lisp 2015-01-26T18:06:40Z pt1 joined #lisp 2015-01-26T18:07:23Z Odaym: what have you guys built with lisp lately? 2015-01-26T18:07:50Z vanila: froggey, did you see the first paragraph of the readme fr SICL? 2015-01-26T18:08:06Z BitPuffin quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2015-01-26T18:08:24Z bobbysmith0071: Odaym: Mostly business web apps and libraries, but then thats what I was writing in other languages, so I would guess my history is more relevant than the language there 2015-01-26T18:09:15Z Odaym: I think I've got my answer; I am into mobile because I didn't like developing for the web 2015-01-26T18:10:14Z nyef: Most of my Lisp hacking recently has been web APIs to database stuff, GUI libraries, and compilers. 2015-01-26T18:10:24Z jumblerg joined #lisp 2015-01-26T18:10:24Z bobbysmith0071: Odaym: how do you develop on mobile devices *not* on the web? That seems ... anachronistic 2015-01-26T18:10:49Z Odaym: you just choose what you want to do everyday all day 2015-01-26T18:11:02Z froggey: vanila: so it's designed I could integrate big chunks of it without much trouble? 2015-01-26T18:11:03Z Odaym: and choose something that isn't web, you've successfully become a non-web developer 2015-01-26T18:11:13Z Odaym: so I dont do web at all 2015-01-26T18:11:26Z vanila: froggey, yeah :) and potentially complete and contrib back and partial modules 2015-01-26T18:11:33Z Odaym: I think if I think of the application I want to write, things would be a lot easier 2015-01-26T18:11:34Z innertracks joined #lisp 2015-01-26T18:12:02Z Shinmera: Odaym: If you want to do mobile development with Common Lisp, have a look at MOCL. 2015-01-26T18:12:03Z Odaym: there's no sense in buying the book and beginning to try the exercises if you dont know what you're going to do with this knowledge later 2015-01-26T18:12:09Z ynniv: Odaym: froggey just announced his bare metal OS written in CL 2015-01-26T18:12:30Z Odaym: now that's interesting 2015-01-26T18:12:49Z Odaym: who wrote this 2015-01-26T18:12:58Z ynniv: umm, froggey 2015-01-26T18:13:06Z froggey: it was me, it's all my fault 2015-01-26T18:13:22Z slyrus quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2015-01-26T18:13:24Z Odaym: yea then lisp it is 2015-01-26T18:13:27Z Odaym: no argument 2015-01-26T18:13:27Z waschen joined #lisp 2015-01-26T18:13:32Z Odaym: C is gonna be so far off my game 2015-01-26T18:13:34Z vanila: that is like my dream since I discovered lisp 2015-01-26T18:13:38Z ynniv: but drmeister is writing his own CL from scratch to better implement his own OS 2015-01-26T18:13:38Z cpach joined #lisp 2015-01-26T18:13:42Z tsumetai: Odaym: How can you know the use before you know what the book has taught you? 2015-01-26T18:13:43Z vanila: I should have hurried up a bit :) 2015-01-26T18:13:44Z ynniv: and beach may have written one as well 2015-01-26T18:13:52Z Odaym: exactly tsumetai 2015-01-26T18:13:54Z dlowe: huh. I should step up my game on local-time 2015-01-26T18:13:58Z Odaym: so you dont know which to get.. 2015-01-26T18:14:02Z dlowe: didn't know it was popular 2015-01-26T18:14:12Z Odaym: but this there is mobile with Lisp, instant use-cases popup 2015-01-26T18:14:14Z Shinmera: ynniv: What are you babbling about 2015-01-26T18:14:27Z Shinmera: ynniv: drmeister's clasp is intended for C++ interop, not OS development. 2015-01-26T18:14:29Z jasom: dlowe: it's hands-down the best thought-out time library I've used in any language 2015-01-26T18:14:38Z dlowe: \o/ 2015-01-26T18:14:46Z Odaym: I remember getting lost with SICP's rings problems 2015-01-26T18:14:49Z Odaym: or, Hanoi 2015-01-26T18:14:58Z jasom: not the most feature complete, certainly, but doing all the crazy stuff with time is still an unsolved problem; local-time gets the solved part right, which is more rare than you would think 2015-01-26T18:15:01Z Odaym: I'd never solved that in any other language and I was first introduced to it in the lectures 2015-01-26T18:15:11Z Odaym: so I just thought it was very hard, this was like 3 years ago 2015-01-26T18:15:15Z Odaym: before university 2015-01-26T18:15:26Z Odaym: well thanks, I choose lisp! 2015-01-26T18:15:28Z ynniv: Shinmera: you right, got my wires crossed. https://github.com/robert-strandh/SICL is a clean CL for https://github.com/robert-strandh/LispOS 2015-01-26T18:15:48Z dlowe: jasom: thanks for saying so :) 2015-01-26T18:16:02Z Shinmera: Odaym: Be aware though that SICP is about Scheme, and this channel is about Common Lisp 2015-01-26T18:16:12Z jasom: dlowe: did you write it? 2015-01-26T18:16:13Z Shinmera: Odaym: If you want to learn CL there are other books. 2015-01-26T18:16:51Z jasom thought Erik Naggum did for some reason; probably because he ranted about time and timestamps so often 2015-01-26T18:17:05Z dlowe: jasom: yeah 2015-01-26T18:17:12Z Odaym: ah, Scheme, yea 2015-01-26T18:17:17Z Odaym: I remember that 2015-01-26T18:17:26Z dlowe: it's based off one of his essays. 2015-01-26T18:17:27Z Shinmera: jasom: The article local-time is based on was written by Naggum http://naggum.no/lugm-time.html 2015-01-26T18:17:34Z someone quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in) 2015-01-26T18:17:36Z jasom: dlowe: well my hat's off to you 2015-01-26T18:17:43Z Odaym: so what are some good CL books? 2015-01-26T18:17:50Z Shinmera: minion: tell Odaym about PCL 2015-01-26T18:17:51Z minion: Odaym: please look at PCL: pcl-book: "Practical Common Lisp", an introduction to Common Lisp by Peter Seibel, available at http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/ and in dead-tree form from Apress (as of 11 April 2005). 2015-01-26T18:17:53Z dlowe: though I ignored entirely the main point of his essay 2015-01-26T18:18:01Z dlowe: which was about efficient timestamp decoding 2015-01-26T18:18:02Z Odaym: Practical, I like that word :P 2015-01-26T18:18:12Z jasom: Odaym: if you are experienced with programming, PCL is good, otherwise ... 2015-01-26T18:18:13Z Odaym: I'm giving an Android workshop here in my hometown soon, I've called it Practical Android 2015-01-26T18:18:16Z jasom: minion: tell Odaym about gentle 2015-01-26T18:18:16Z minion: Odaym: please see gentle: "Common Lisp: A Gentle Introduction to Symbolic Computation" is a smoother introduction to lisp programming. http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/LispBook/ 2015-01-26T18:18:43Z dlowe: and he was just wrong about having the timezone be part of a timestamp 2015-01-26T18:18:50Z dlowe: but I needed a place to start with the API 2015-01-26T18:18:54Z ynniv: having breezed through PCL but gotten stuck in LOL, is there a recommendation after PCL? 2015-01-26T18:19:09Z MarkusBarthlen joined #lisp 2015-01-26T18:19:11Z Odaym: well I dont know what you consider to be experienced or not 2015-01-26T18:19:17Z Odaym: I..know programming I guess 2015-01-26T18:19:17Z someon joined #lisp 2015-01-26T18:19:31Z jasom: Odaym: do you have a language for which, given a problem, you feel confident you can solve it? 2015-01-26T18:19:37Z Odaym: does Gentle lack things that PCL has? 2015-01-26T18:19:40Z dlowe: minion: tell ynniv about CLOS 2015-01-26T18:19:41Z minion: CLOS: No definition was found in the first 5 lines of http://www.cliki.net/CLOS 2015-01-26T18:19:47Z Odaym: of course jasom 2015-01-26T18:19:53Z Odaym: any problem 2015-01-26T18:19:54Z jasom: then I would say PCL is fine 2015-01-26T18:20:07Z Shinmera: ynniv: Writing code 2015-01-26T18:20:10Z Odaym: besides it's a book, and you guys are here :D 2015-01-26T18:20:10Z dlowe: ynniv: http://www.amazon.com/Object-Oriented-Programming-COMMON-LISP-Programmers/dp/0201175894 2015-01-26T18:20:13Z jasom: ynniv: write code? 2015-01-26T18:20:17Z Odaym: great then 2015-01-26T18:20:35Z Karl_Dscc joined #lisp 2015-01-26T18:20:37Z dlowe: moar code 2015-01-26T18:20:51Z ynniv: yeah, I’ve been writing code. I feel like I end up asking silly questions here, tho. 2015-01-26T18:21:09Z dlowe: silly questions are awesome. Never stop asking. 2015-01-26T18:21:14Z ynniv: For instance, I came here today to ask if there’s a more elegant way to declare types than a huge declaim before my defun 2015-01-26T18:21:15Z Shinmera: ynniv: Reading code also helps 2015-01-26T18:21:36Z ynniv: Shinmera: I also wanted to ask if there’s a project that uses type declarations well 2015-01-26T18:21:52Z Bicyclidine joined #lisp 2015-01-26T18:21:54Z Shinmera: cl-ppcre does some of that and is generally considered good code, afaik. 2015-01-26T18:21:58Z dlowe: ynniv: sbcl uses type declarations quite a bit 2015-01-26T18:22:00Z theseb quit (Quit: Leaving) 2015-01-26T18:22:04Z shka joined #lisp 2015-01-26T18:22:15Z shka: ave tux 2015-01-26T18:22:21Z jasom: ynniv: "well" is hard to pin down, as all of the Python descended lisps use type declarations differently from their historic use 2015-01-26T18:22:56Z ynniv: “Python descended lisps”? I’m only talking about CL 2015-01-26T18:23:02Z Blaguvest joined #lisp 2015-01-26T18:23:07Z Shinmera: Python is the compiler 2015-01-26T18:23:13Z Shinmera: Which has existed before Python the language 2015-01-26T18:23:20Z ynniv: Oh, that’s confusing 2015-01-26T18:23:29Z jasom: ynniv: cmucl, sbcl, scieneer I think 2015-01-26T18:24:21Z ynniv: It would be awesome if there were a guide to which CL projects to read 2015-01-26T18:24:31Z Odaym: in Hackers and Painters, all websites were slow and Viaweb was the fastest because it was written in CL 2015-01-26T18:24:35Z foom joined #lisp 2015-01-26T18:24:39Z arenz quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2015-01-26T18:24:42Z Shinmera: Python itself is also confusing to the point where it's a practical joke that nobody ever fully understood it ever since a month after its beginning. 2015-01-26T18:24:46Z Odaym: right now all mobile apps are slow 2015-01-26T18:25:57Z Ukari quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2015-01-26T18:26:39Z jasom: well you just can't iterate as fast in mobile as viaweb could as you need to wait for your app-store overlords to approve updates... 2015-01-26T18:27:16Z Odaym: sure you can 2015-01-26T18:27:24Z Odaym: Google Play submission propagates in under 3 hours 2015-01-26T18:27:40Z Odaym: it's the code I'm talking about, the speed that the whole thing runs with 2015-01-26T18:28:13Z ynniv: mobile apps are slow because they’re pooly written, and you can do that in any langauge 2015-01-26T18:28:13Z Odaym: I dont know what Im talking about exactly, but this article seems to know what it's talking about so I'm going to adopt the guy's opinion as my own 2015-01-26T18:28:15Z Odaym: http://sealedabstract.com/rants/why-mobile-web-apps-are-slow/ 2015-01-26T18:28:28Z EvW quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2015-01-26T18:29:56Z oleo is now known as Guest20177 2015-01-26T18:30:18Z moei quit (Quit: Leaving...) 2015-01-26T18:30:20Z shka: Shinmera: interisting bit of history! 2015-01-26T18:30:23Z shka: i like those 2015-01-26T18:31:40Z oleo__ joined #lisp 2015-01-26T18:32:20Z pjb quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-01-26T18:32:22Z Guest20177 quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2015-01-26T18:32:31Z |3b|: Odaym: CL isn't magically 'fast', at best it lest you iterate more quickly 2015-01-26T18:32:47Z Xach: A small part of Viaweb that was used by tens of customers per day was in CL. 2015-01-26T18:32:52Z tokenrove: Odaym: note that he's specifically talking about web apps on mobile, not native mobile apps. also, i have emailed the author in the past because there are some minor factual errors, especially wrt gc, in that article. 2015-01-26T18:32:57Z Xach: The demands were not high. 2015-01-26T18:33:16Z |3b|: particularly on mobile, you aren't likely to be getting much optimization compared to the millions or billions spent on optimizing JS implementations 2015-01-26T18:33:29Z Odaym: I've tried those too 2015-01-26T18:33:40Z Odaym: namely Titanium (which is a great, great effort) 2015-01-26T18:34:26Z MarkusBarthlen quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2015-01-26T18:34:48Z Odaym: in my case, it's like someone worrying about the type of wheels they're going to put on their Ferrari while they still haven't landed a job yet 2015-01-26T18:34:55Z Odaym: I just want something mind-expanding 2015-01-26T18:34:55Z duggiefresh quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-01-26T18:35:07Z duggiefresh joined #lisp 2015-01-26T18:35:12Z xyh joined #lisp 2015-01-26T18:35:15Z |3b|: yeah, CL is good for that 2015-01-26T18:35:16Z Odaym: and if it's something that I can apply (or relate with) the things I do everyday, then that'd be great 2015-01-26T18:35:23Z eivarv joined #lisp 2015-01-26T18:35:24Z Odaym: i.e. mobile dev 2015-01-26T18:35:39Z MoALTz__ quit (Quit: Leaving) 2015-01-26T18:35:58Z dlowe: As much as people don't like to remember, reddit was also first in CL 2015-01-26T18:35:58Z MoALTz joined #lisp 2015-01-26T18:36:18Z Shinmera: Odaym: As I said before, have a look at https://wukix.com/mocl for mobile dev. 2015-01-26T18:36:29Z Odaym: yea, that MOCL is what's encouraging me 2015-01-26T18:36:33Z Odaym: I'm already sold 2015-01-26T18:37:51Z xyh: when (setf *print-pretty* t) in "~/.ccl-init.lisp" 2015-01-26T18:37:51Z xyh: in *inferior-lisp* buffer *print-pretty* is t 2015-01-26T18:37:51Z xyh: but in *slime-repl ccl* buffer *print-pretty* is nil 2015-01-26T18:37:51Z xyh: how to set variables for *slime-repl ccl* ? 2015-01-26T18:38:21Z someon is now known as someone 2015-01-26T18:38:36Z dlowe: I would love to know how the actual mocl experience is 2015-01-26T18:38:43Z xan_ quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-01-26T18:38:57Z innertracks quit (Quit: innertracks) 2015-01-26T18:39:31Z Odaym: that $200 for a standard license, though 2015-01-26T18:39:35Z jasom: dlowe: from what I've heard, it's rough-around-the-edges, but the wukix people do respond to issues people run into 2015-01-26T18:39:56Z ynniv: dlowe: library support can be a problem. cl-protobufs doesn’t run out of the box, but Wes said he would work on it. 2015-01-26T18:40:20Z ynniv: it’s like ecl with someone who answers emails 2015-01-26T18:40:31Z jasom: Odaym: that's dirt cheap IMO, and hopefully doesn't speak to quality of the product; compare to lispworks or allegro 2015-01-26T18:40:40Z ynniv: well that and it currently works out of the box for some things 2015-01-26T18:41:54Z dlowe: ynniv: yeah, that sounds pretty nice 2015-01-26T18:41:59Z Odaym: ah, now I understand 2015-01-26T18:42:10Z Odaym: the logic is in lisp and the UI is in native 2015-01-26T18:42:52Z jasom: In general, non-native UIs on mobile are historically crummy, though progress is being made 2015-01-26T18:43:36Z zacharias joined #lisp 2015-01-26T18:43:51Z zacharias quit (Changing host) 2015-01-26T18:43:51Z zacharias joined #lisp 2015-01-26T18:44:03Z Odaym: yes, that's what I faced, I've built ~ 5 applications cross platform and they all just looked really bad because of the UI limitation 2015-01-26T18:44:15Z Odaym: the code was excellent because well, that's the code 2015-01-26T18:44:31Z Odaym: so yea if UI is left native and the code can run faster, that would be ideal 2015-01-26T18:44:45Z innertracks joined #lisp 2015-01-26T18:44:45Z ynniv: Odaym: if any of this is interesting to you, you won’t miss the $200. 2015-01-26T18:44:50Z nyef: How did that go? "Write once, look ugly everywhere"? 2015-01-26T18:45:07Z Odaym: yea I was forced to write cross platform, I left that company later 2015-01-26T18:45:44Z Odaym: here they are under the impression that write once run everywhere is faster, which is true, but who's going to accept a newsreader that's 50MB? 2015-01-26T18:45:53Z Odaym: or that looks choppy 2015-01-26T18:46:05Z Odaym: here as in Lebanon 2015-01-26T18:47:20Z Odaym: I see that you don't actually write CL in MOCL? 2015-01-26T18:47:25Z beach: froggey: If you plan to use some SICL module, you should talk to me first. The are in varying degree of completeness. 2015-01-26T18:47:27Z Odaym: there are no parens 2015-01-26T18:47:31Z eivarv quit (Quit: Sleep) 2015-01-26T18:48:29Z intinig quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-01-26T18:49:07Z intinig joined #lisp 2015-01-26T18:51:40Z cojy_ joined #lisp 2015-01-26T18:52:02Z jasom: Odaym: 3 minutes into their planet-lisp demo I see lisp code 2015-01-26T18:52:15Z hiyosi quit (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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Has to be seen at usage how it's sorted out I guess 2015-01-26T19:44:42Z Ralt: question: I'm using fiveam, but it seems run-all-tests is undefined... which is kinda true. Found the export but not the function in the source. I guess I just did something wrong tho... 2015-01-26T19:44:44Z Shinmera: Ralt: making it looks lispy is the motivation behind it, yes. 2015-01-26T19:45:34Z Shinmera: Ralt: Usually you'll define a suite, your tests within that suite and then use RUN! on the suite. 2015-01-26T19:45:41Z Ralt: ah. 2015-01-26T19:46:01Z Shinmera: have a look at 5am:def-suite, 5am:in-suite, 5am:run! 2015-01-26T19:46:51Z Ralt: thanks 2015-01-26T19:47:15Z jumblerg quit (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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