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2014-12-31T16:08:17Z wilhelm.freenode.net:#lisp- [freenode-info] why register and identify? your IRC nick is how people know you. http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup
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2014-12-31T16:09:32Z stassats: rme: and you had no issues with GS?
2014-12-31T16:09:56Z hzp: Is only OpenGL with Nvidia drivers using GS like that?
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2014-12-31T16:11:47Z rme: stassats: Using %gs has been fine, as far as I know.  We've certainly done it for a long time now.
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2014-12-31T16:15:14Z hzp: Here's an old-ish reference on a FreeBSD mailing list: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.os.freebsd.devel.threading/503
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2014-12-31T16:46:00Z beach: Good evening everyone!
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2014-12-31T16:47:07Z nyef: Hello beach.
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2014-12-31T17:00:44Z Adlai: hm. a while back stassats suggested (setf (slime-connection-name) "foo"), although doing this makes subsequent invocations of slime-connect act like slime-repl
2014-12-31T17:01:18Z beach: nyef: I spent all afternoon thinking about the control structure between the event loop and the command loop.  It is slowly getting clearer.  I really need to make sure I understand it fully.  I probably already did when I implemented CLIM3/CLIMatis, but I have forgotten it since.
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2014-12-31T17:02:22Z Adlai: hm, it's worse than that... it connects, but half-forgets the previous connection
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2014-12-31T17:02:38Z Adlai now has two buffers named *slime-repl sbcl*
2014-12-31T17:03:02Z nyef: Adlai: ... how? I thought that buffer names were required to be unique?
2014-12-31T17:03:35Z nyef: beach: I'm still on the whole frame-manager thing, myself.
2014-12-31T17:03:38Z Adlai: then maybe I have two connections and it switched the buffer to using the second one?
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2014-12-31T17:04:13Z Adlai: and I can't disconnect from it
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2014-12-31T17:05:09Z Adlai: and now I can! this looks like a fun bug to hunt, but like all such bugs, it rears its head when I least have time to hunt it
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2014-12-31T17:06:30Z beach: nyef: "Frame manager" is a confusing name because it suggests a single top-level window.  That made it hard for me to understand for a while when I read the specification.
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2014-12-31T17:07:06Z nyef: Now, to me, it suggests top-level windows generally.
2014-12-31T17:07:07Z Adlai: ... wonderful, this didn't disconnect, I accidentally killed the process on the server >_<
2014-12-31T17:07:16Z Adlai: "YGWYD"
2014-12-31T17:08:20Z nyef: An "account manager" typically deals with more than one account, right?
2014-12-31T17:08:25Z beach: nyef: What I meant to say was that the entire thing of "application frame" and "frame manager" suggests that an application can only have one top-level window (but many child windows of course).
2014-12-31T17:09:18Z nyef: Pretty much, yes. If you need more than one top-level window, either they need to be transient or they need their own application-frame.
2014-12-31T17:09:40Z beach: I thought so in the beginning, but I no longer do.
2014-12-31T17:10:19Z nyef: Oh?
2014-12-31T17:10:49Z nyef: ... Not seeing it.
2014-12-31T17:11:08Z beach: Well, I don't see any explicit restriction either.
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2014-12-31T17:11:42Z nyef: Frame managers are the interface to the host windowing system. Frame managers operate in terms of frames. Frames have a single top-level sheet. Therefore, to have multiple top-level host windows, you need multiple frames.
2014-12-31T17:11:59Z nyef: Anything else amounts to a vendor extension.
2014-12-31T17:12:20Z nyef: Now, this doesn't mean that you need to RUN-FRAME-TOP-LEVEL the additional frames.
2014-12-31T17:12:34Z beach: Confusing.
2014-12-31T17:13:11Z nyef: You can also have frame classes with no defined panes, but attempting to create instances of them doesn't work well.
2014-12-31T17:13:32Z nyef: (They're basically abstract classes onto which you can hang command tables and such.)
2014-12-31T17:14:44Z beach: I guess I need to re-read the CLIM II spec.
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2014-12-31T17:15:05Z nyef: ... Clearly, I should work up a demo application that does this once I have nq-clim in usable shape.
2014-12-31T17:15:20Z beach: Yeah.
2014-12-31T17:17:06Z beach: In CLIM3/CLIMatis, an application can connect any pane hierarchy to the display server.  I made an abstraction called "application" but it does not have any connection with the top-level window(s).
2014-12-31T17:17:15Z nyef: Basically, the application-frame IS a top-level window.
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2014-12-31T17:17:42Z beach: I see that, reading it now.  I don't know why I was under the opposite impression.
2014-12-31T17:18:28Z beach: But then the application-frame is the wrong abstraction because it has all kinds of crap in it that is not related to the top-level window or the pane hierarchy.
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2014-12-31T17:18:44Z nyef: Yes, there is that.
2014-12-31T17:19:01Z beach: I think it comes from a basic idea that an application has a single top-level window.
2014-12-31T17:19:20Z nyef: One of the reasons that I'm writing nq-clim is to find all of the various bits of crap, so that we can re-draw the abstractions differently.
2014-12-31T17:19:43Z beach: Sure.  Same reason I am writing CLIM3/CLIMatis.
2014-12-31T17:20:12Z nyef: Is that usable yet, btw?
2014-12-31T17:20:21Z beach: Almost.
2014-12-31T17:20:39Z beach: I can use it for simple applications that have push buttons and scroll bars and such.
2014-12-31T17:21:11Z beach: In fact, I wrote an inspector in it called the "Clueless" inspector.
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2014-12-31T17:21:22Z beach: It is similar to the inspector in SLIME.
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2014-12-31T17:21:55Z beach: It is very easy to add a command that starts up the inspector on the hierarchy of "zones" (= sheets, etc) and browse it that way.
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2014-12-31T17:22:49Z beach: What is missing is a simplified implementation of presentation types.
2014-12-31T17:22:50Z nyef: Hrm. If you unify sheets and output-records, you almost have designs as well.
2014-12-31T17:22:57Z beach: Yes.
2014-12-31T17:23:07Z beach: The entire output part is done.
2014-12-31T17:23:12Z beach: I even have a few gadgets.
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2014-12-31T17:24:17Z nyef: Hmm.
2014-12-31T17:24:38Z nyef: Do you have an input editor yet?
2014-12-31T17:24:45Z beach: Second Climacs uses it, but since I don't have all the input stuff, I can't prompt for a file name :(
2014-12-31T17:25:16Z beach: No, not yet.  I am thinking of extracting the part of Second Climacs that is needed for the input editor.
2014-12-31T17:25:34Z beach: I told you the other day I think I know how to do that.
2014-12-31T17:25:51Z nyef: Yes, okay.
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2014-12-31T17:26:51Z beach: Furthermore, Second Climacs has some very nice abstractions for updating views from buffers.
2014-12-31T17:26:53Z nyef: I think that once I get the frame / frame-manager / pane / event-handling bits all sorted, I might try focusing on getting basic text output working and then the input editor.
2014-12-31T17:27:18Z beach: Sounds like a good plan.
2014-12-31T17:28:37Z nyef: In fact, an output-recording pane plus an input editor means a stream pane, which means being able to write simple apps.
2014-12-31T17:28:43Z beach: For the past few days I have been working on SICL in the morning and I have been doing some serious thinking about CLIM3/CLIMatis in the afternoon.
2014-12-31T17:29:04Z beach: True.
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2014-12-31T17:33:01Z oleo: does it work independent of what the backend is ?
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2014-12-31T17:33:23Z beach: oleo: "it"?
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2014-12-31T17:34:06Z ahungry: eitaro has some awesome code (caveman2, cl-emb, sxql etc.) but boy, what a pain to debug (no comments in docstrings or ;; style comments at all)
2014-12-31T17:34:07Z oleo: climacs
2014-12-31T17:34:12Z oleo: mcclim etc...
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2014-12-31T17:34:53Z oleo: well, i saw stuff in mcclim which depends on how clx works etc....
2014-12-31T17:34:59Z oleo: for other backends too.....
2014-12-31T17:35:02Z beach: oleo: McCLIM is fairly complete, but I am guessing only the X11 backend works.
2014-12-31T17:35:12Z oleo: well, not really.....
2014-12-31T17:35:21Z oleo: x11 backends works almost complete
2014-12-31T17:35:26Z oleo: not the other ones....
2014-12-31T17:35:48Z beach: Right.
2014-12-31T17:35:52Z beach: Climacs (v 1) works with McCLIM.
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2014-12-31T17:35:59Z oleo: when interfacing it shouldn't matter what version of X is installed etc.....
2014-12-31T17:36:09Z beach: I can't guarantee that.
2014-12-31T17:36:17Z oleo: i think that's not done there ......
2014-12-31T17:36:20Z oleo: ya
2014-12-31T17:36:28Z beach: But I tried it recently, and the demos seem to work fine.
2014-12-31T17:36:33Z oleo: clean API
2014-12-31T17:36:41Z oleo: not so clean i mean
2014-12-31T17:36:53Z beach: I didn't say that.
2014-12-31T17:37:11Z oleo: and the same for the other backends too.....
2014-12-31T17:37:40Z beach: The CLX backend for McCLIM uses only basic X11 stuff, so as long as the X11 server respects the protocol and CLX is not broken, things should work.
2014-12-31T17:38:11Z beach: The PostScript backend should work too because the PostScript specification hasn't changed.
2014-12-31T17:38:26Z oleo: ya but X changes over time.....
2014-12-31T17:38:32Z oleo: and so CLX
2014-12-31T17:38:47Z beach: Things are added but old stuff should still work.
2014-12-31T17:39:03Z oleo: hmmm ok
2014-12-31T17:39:26Z beach: Other backends depend on software that evolves and/or has no specification at all.  There is no guarantee that old code will work for such software.
2014-12-31T17:39:51Z oleo: ok
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2014-12-31T17:42:27Z beach: ahungry: I wouldn't call such code "awesome" then.
2014-12-31T17:43:14Z ahungry: Hah, I guess you're right, I mean the end result is nice, and maybe he keeps it all in his head, but the code itself isn't quite awesome
2014-12-31T17:45:09Z beach: I am reminded of the quotation from Charles Simonyi in the LUV slides (page 9)
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2014-12-31T17:48:03Z mrkkrp: is there libs for natural language parsing?
2014-12-31T17:49:13Z nyef: mrkkrp: You mean ones that would flag that "is" is singular while "libs" is plural, but that they should agree in terms of number?
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2014-12-31T17:51:34Z mrkkrp: I want a lib to label every word in a sentence like: This is a cat -> adjective verb article noun
2014-12-31T17:52:02Z mrkkrp: + parse numerals
2014-12-31T17:52:14Z mrkkrp: well, I can write missing things myself
2014-12-31T17:52:29Z mrkkrp: just want to know if there is something like this in cl
2014-12-31T17:52:29Z Bicyclidine: 'this' isn't an adjective, and 'is' is the copula... anyway i don't know any lisp libraries like that.
2014-12-31T17:52:50Z Bicyclidine: http://www.cliki.net/natural%20language%20processing
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2014-12-31T17:59:15Z mrkkrp: Bicyclidine, it seems like 'ce' is adjective in French, so I thought that there may be some analogy. English is not my native lanugage (as well as French).
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2014-12-31T18:00:11Z Bicyclidine: it's probably a pronoun in french too. well, that's why you'll have this library, anyway!
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2014-12-31T18:01:33Z Bicyclidine: http://www.academia.edu/6543262/1._The_main_approaches_to_the_part_of_speech_classification perhaps this is nontrivial
2014-12-31T18:01:58Z nyef: Heh. An awful lot of things to do with natural language are nontrivial.
2014-12-31T18:02:10Z Hexstream: mrkkrp: "ce" is not an adjective in French... You need better sources.
2014-12-31T18:02:16Z Bicyclidine: go figure!
2014-12-31T18:05:53Z mrkkrp: Hexstream, do you mean as in 'n'est-ce pas?' or 'cette façon'?
2014-12-31T18:06:28Z Hexstream: mrkkrp: In every way.
2014-12-31T18:06:43Z oleo: c'est la vie
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2014-12-31T18:07:16Z mrkkrp: http://www.wordreference.com/fren/cette
2014-12-31T18:07:41Z oleo: kes köse
2014-12-31T18:07:43Z oleo: lol
2014-12-31T18:08:06Z mrkkrp: adj means adjectif
2014-12-31T18:08:13Z mrkkrp: ok, it's offtopic
2014-12-31T18:08:25Z oleo: adverb maybe ?
2014-12-31T18:08:28Z beach: Time to go celebrate.  Happy New Year everyone.
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2014-12-31T18:08:44Z oleo: adv
2014-12-31T18:08:48Z mrkkrp: yes
2014-12-31T18:09:32Z mrkkrp: ce is adjectif démonstratif
2014-12-31T18:09:49Z mrkkrp: what's 'this' in English.. don't now
2014-12-31T18:10:09Z rme: ok, ça suffit.
2014-12-31T18:10:20Z mrkkrp: )
2014-12-31T18:11:45Z nyef: mrkkrp: 'this' can be a noun, or it can be adjectival, IIRC.
2014-12-31T18:12:23Z nyef: ... or do I mean determinant?
2014-12-31T18:13:01Z Hexstream: It can also be off-topic. ;P
2014-12-31T18:17:00Z nyef: Or, occasionally, on-topic. d-:
2014-12-31T18:17:16Z nyef: Anyway, I have stuff to hack on.
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2014-12-31T18:17:39Z Adlai: ok, I have reproduced (by accident) this SBCL weirdness where suddenly the internet doesn't exist
2014-12-31T18:18:05Z Adlai: I'm leaving the lisp image open, whenever an SBCL hacker wants to investigate vicariously, please speak up!
2014-12-31T18:19:02Z Bicyclidine: sounds like something for #sbcl. with a paste/steps to reproduce and all
2014-12-31T18:19:25Z Grue``: mrkkrp: http://www.abisource.com/projects/link-grammar/ has bindings for Common Lisp
2014-12-31T18:19:31Z Adlai: 1) run scalpl for two months until it randomly stops scalping :P
2014-12-31T18:19:40Z Grue``: mrkkrp: not sure how well it works though
2014-12-31T18:20:06Z Grue`` is now known as Grue`
2014-12-31T18:20:32Z Adlai: (having three threads calling drakma:http-request in parallel is probably the culprit)
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2014-12-31T18:39:09Z ahungry: Is there a way to detect if a symbol (keyword?) has the pipes?
2014-12-31T18:39:18Z oGMo: heh
2014-12-31T18:39:23Z ahungry: Like, to know that :blub and :|blub| were passed in differently?
2014-12-31T18:40:03Z Bicyclidine: (symbol-name :blub) => "BLUB", (symbol-name :|blub|) => "blub" (bla bla readtable-case bla)
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2014-12-31T18:42:37Z nyef: ... but what about :\b\l\u\b ?
2014-12-31T18:42:51Z _death: the escaping is just for the reader, has nothing to do with symbols
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2014-12-31T18:45:42Z ahungry: In the use case of sxql, it always passes the symbol like :dog to string-downcase, resulting in "dog" instead of "DOG" when it gets translated
2014-12-31T18:46:01Z ahungry: which is good, because for querying databases, most tables are lowercase, so (from :something) -> "FROM `something`" works well
2014-12-31T18:46:02Z Adlai: fe[nl]ix: aroundp
2014-12-31T18:46:14Z Bicyclidine: then the escaped symbol is exactly the same as the nonescaped one as far as sxql is concerned.
2014-12-31T18:46:17Z ahungry: But I need to have it *not* do downcase if the symbol is like :|Dog|
2014-12-31T18:46:43Z ahungry: I think i'll just convert it to a string and check if it has any lower case letters in it, since a :something never will
2014-12-31T18:46:46Z oGMo: ahungry: then the real question isn't "the pipes", it's "don't downcase mixed-case names", which is easy
2014-12-31T18:46:58Z ahungry: It would miss use cases like :DOG, but I think that is acceptable
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2014-12-31T18:53:56Z ahungry: Ok that works, checking symbol-name and then collecting the string as individual chars in a list and using #'remove-if upper-case-p - if anything remains in the list, it has lower cases
2014-12-31T18:55:00Z Bicyclidine: if you're doing that, (some #'upper-case-p string) would be easier
2014-12-31T18:55:16Z Bicyclidine: or every. whatever.
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2014-12-31T18:58:49Z ahungry: ah good idea
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2014-12-31T18:59:19Z stassats: what about #\-?
2014-12-31T18:59:21Z _death: I'd also consider using strings or another reader macro instead of magical case translation (and then -/_ translation, etc.)
2014-12-31T18:59:29Z Bicyclidine: remove-if and all them work on sequences, not just lists.
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2014-12-31T19:02:41Z nyef: Hrm. Should FRAME-PANES et al. be considered part of the layout protocol, part of the normal frame protocol, or a separate frame-layout protocol?
2014-12-31T19:04:30Z _death: but then, all the sql-generation macros I used were pretty bad and limited, and resulted in verbose code.. nowadays I'd just use a string (with ? placeholders of course)
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2014-12-31T19:04:30Z ahungry: Yea, I just encountered faililng unit tests as a result of my change due to #\_ screwing it up
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2014-12-31T19:05:36Z ahungry: Still, since this is someone else's codebase, I'm happy with getting it at least halfway there so table names like theTable work - if the_Table fails (the_table will still be fine) I can live with that
2014-12-31T19:06:23Z ahungry: people shouldn't mix underscores + camel case :)
2014-12-31T19:06:43Z _death: What_About_Ada_Case?
2014-12-31T19:07:51Z ahungry: haha
2014-12-31T19:08:11Z stassats: siWhat_About-notation_Anarchists?
2014-12-31T19:08:59Z nyef: stassats: I can think of a very simple reason why that sort of mess might happen in otherwise-sane code.
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2014-12-31T19:20:03Z nyef: Separate frame-layout-protocol and pane-layout-protocol it is!
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2014-12-31T20:03:46Z nyef: Ugh. Yet more under-described mechanism: There's a :geometry option to define-application-frame, a bunch of geometry-related options to make-application-frame, and almost no information as to how they work aside from a little hint on reset-frame...
2014-12-31T20:05:18Z nyef: ... which says that resetting width and height can force the window to resize, which is somewhat at odds with the ideas of layout-frame taking width and height parameters or just resizing the top-level sheet...
2014-12-31T20:06:11Z nyef: Oh, and client-setting is a setf function without a reader.
2014-12-31T20:09:18Z rpg: I can't believe the darcs folks even decided to make up a new way of marking diffs.
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2014-12-31T20:43:24Z fe[nl]ix: Adlai: pong
2014-12-31T20:44:29Z fe[nl]ix: rpg: ping
2014-12-31T20:44:35Z rpg: ack
2014-12-31T20:45:42Z fe[nl]ix: let's start again
2014-12-31T20:46:03Z fe[nl]ix: create the socket
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2014-12-31T20:46:57Z fe[nl]ix: then (setf (iolib/syscalls:fd-nonblock-p (iolib/sockets:socket-os-fd socket)) t)
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2014-12-31T20:47:11Z fe[nl]ix: actually, set it to NIL
2014-12-31T20:47:30Z fe[nl]ix: after that, you should not see an EWOULDBLOCK any more
2014-12-31T20:47:42Z rpg: ah. I see that I was already doing something wrong. I was setting it to 0....
2014-12-31T20:48:39Z fe[nl]ix: was it all clear in my last email ?
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2014-12-31T23:19:24Z fe[nl]ix: rpg: glad to serve
2014-12-31T23:20:23Z rpg: any idea why the socket didn't simply default to blocking?
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2014-12-31T23:22:04Z fe[nl]ix: you can't set timeouts on blocking sockets
2014-12-31T23:22:14Z fe[nl]ix: or, you can, but you have to use signals
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2014-12-31T23:23:06Z ack006: (happy '(new year)) everyone! http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/ElPicu#mediaviewer/File:ElPicu_Cura%C3%A7ao.jpg
2014-12-31T23:24:38Z ack006: i've got a bottle of this next to my repl :-)
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2014-12-31T23:44:55Z fe[nl]ix: rpg: are you using IOlib on Allegro by chance ?
2014-12-31T23:45:23Z rpg: No, I have an existing server that was written using Allegro's own sockets, and am #-allegro'ing it with iolib.
2014-12-31T23:45:44Z fe[nl]ix: aah
2014-12-31T23:46:30Z fe[nl]ix: because IOlib is mostly compatible with Allegro, with a few exceptions
2014-12-31T23:46:44Z fe[nl]ix: like the API for socket options
2014-12-31T23:47:59Z tadni: Is there something like "Chisel" (https://chisel.eecs.berkeley.edu/) for a Lisp yet?
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2014-12-31T23:48:09Z tadni: Movtiz is kinda, sorta, on this level.
2014-12-31T23:48:33Z fe[nl]ix: nope
2014-12-31T23:48:38Z fe[nl]ix: Movits is an OS
2014-12-31T23:48:52Z tadni: fe[nl]ix: That's not how it describes itself.
2014-12-31T23:48:56Z fe[nl]ix: nothing to do with Verilog
2014-12-31T23:49:38Z tadni: fe[nl]ix: I'm not saying they are the same, I'm saying they both interface with the underlying arch.
2014-12-31T23:50:54Z nyef: This looks vaguely familiar... As though one of the big-name lisp hackers had a company doing this sort of thing, with their own rack-mount hardware.
2014-12-31T23:51:11Z nyef: ... Marc Battyani or something like that? Not sure if it was him, or the spelling of his name.
2014-12-31T23:51:32Z tadni: nyef: What looks familiar? Movtiz?
2014-12-31T23:51:40Z |3b|: yeah, sounds like what i was thinking of too, some loww-latency financial stuff or something?
2014-12-31T23:51:51Z |3b|: the compiling-to-hardware part
2014-12-31T23:52:10Z |3b|: movitz is also familiar, but completely unrelated
2014-12-31T23:52:49Z nyef: Movitz is familiar for other reasons.
2014-12-31T23:53:23Z |3b| thought the lisp thing was compiling direct to FPGA not going through verilog though, for faster updates
2014-12-31T23:53:45Z |3b| may be confusing that with something else though
2014-12-31T23:53:56Z nyef: |3b|: The FPGA companies don't release specs, or suffer reverse engineers gladly.
2014-12-31T23:54:07Z tadni: [|3b|: So an actual FPGA that runs natively on Lisp...?
2014-12-31T23:54:23Z |3b|: tadni: no, a lisp program that generates fpga bitcode
2014-12-31T23:54:29Z tadni: Ah.
2014-12-31T23:54:31Z nyef: There's one person around here who is working on that sort of thing, though.
2014-12-31T23:54:46Z tadni: nyef: On what?
2014-12-31T23:55:09Z nyef: Don't know the details.
2014-12-31T23:55:12Z |3b|: nyef: i've seen at least one description of someone reversing a bitcode format (possily also involving some lispy language?)
2014-12-31T23:55:20Z tadni is interested in playing with such a system for CL or Scheme, that interfaces with Verilog or VHDL ...but actually designing a FPGA board and toolchain is way, way out of my current skillset.
2014-12-31T23:55:29Z tadni: Like 3-5 years away of hard study.
2014-12-31T23:56:36Z nyef: ... You don't need to design the board, you can get boards for various FPGAs easily enough.
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2014-12-31T23:57:03Z tadni: nyef: The rub is, I want an all FOSH board... and an all FOSS toolchain.
2014-12-31T23:57:13Z tadni: Which, doesn't really exist in the Land of Lisp or otherwise.
2014-12-31T23:57:38Z nyef: The FOSS toolchain certainly doesn't, but the boards should still be findable.
2014-12-31T23:58:12Z tadni: nyef: I would be able to find completely FOSH Boards?
2014-12-31T23:58:21Z tadni: I've not seen any to market this.
2014-12-31T23:59:00Z tadni: The only one I know that markets somethign similar to this, is http://papilio.cc/
2014-12-31T23:59:07Z tadni: Which happens to of coures be down.