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This is exacerbated by the fact that most non-emacs editors have particularly poor support for editing lisp 2014-12-16T00:16:22Z jasom: CrazyM4n: you should be able to get enough to have a good REPL in emacs with just menu commands and M-x slime to startup slime 2014-12-16T00:17:48Z attila_lendvai quit (Quit: Leaving.) 2014-12-16T00:18:22Z peterhil joined #lisp 2014-12-16T00:19:34Z CrazyM4n: What exactly is slime? 2014-12-16T00:20:29Z zRecursive: CrazyM4n: google is your friend 2014-12-16T00:20:45Z CrazyM4n: Oh. I see 2014-12-16T00:21:41Z zRecursive: SLIME: The Superior Lisp Interaction Mode for Emacs 2014-12-16T00:21:53Z nydel: zRecursive: is the goggle my friend as well? 2014-12-16T00:22:10Z nyef: minion: What does SLIME stand for? 2014-12-16T00:22:10Z minion: Signation Labba Indiscriminatory Maturate Enameling 2014-12-16T00:22:34Z zRecursive: :) 2014-12-16T00:22:51Z CrazyM4n: :P 2014-12-16T00:23:20Z __main__ joined #lisp 2014-12-16T00:23:49Z srcerer_ is now known as srcerer 2014-12-16T00:27:52Z genii quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-12-16T00:30:26Z jasom: CrazyM4n: short version is slime turns emacs into a lisp ide 2014-12-16T00:31:45Z CrazyM4n: Sounds good 2014-12-16T00:31:55Z nydel: are there any projects going that essentially act to register shared REPL spaces, with or without use of slime/swank? something including chat communication, user identities, project management version control etc but straight from the REPL? 2014-12-16T00:32:02Z CrazyM4n: I'm going through the emacs tutorial right now to use it 2014-12-16T00:32:12Z EvW1 quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2014-12-16T00:34:01Z Adlai joined #lisp 2014-12-16T00:38:20Z harish quit (Quit: Leaving) 2014-12-16T00:39:09Z nydel: i'd like to load up a package like "multi-user-repl" and call (murepl:list) to format all the current registered multi-user spaces & their descriptions then (murepl:connect :byid 1001) which would connect me to a session and throw me back to my repl. then at CL-USER> i can call (murepl:/1001/who) and connected users are listed. and (murepl:/1001/chat t) or *standard-output* instead of t would allow for messages 2014-12-16T00:39:11Z nydel: sent to this session object's chat buffer to just format to my REPL above the CL-USER> prompt. ... does anything like this exist? 2014-12-16T00:40:00Z Bicyclidine: that's pretty specific, are you already thinking of building it yourself? 2014-12-16T00:40:06Z Bicyclidine: that symbol-ing probably won't work, though 2014-12-16T00:40:30Z nydel: i am, Bicyclidine, it's one of those things i had to kind of think about before being able to even ask if it exists 2014-12-16T00:40:37Z kami quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2014-12-16T00:40:43Z nydel: yeah that formatting would require really odd macro charactering but you get the idea 2014-12-16T00:41:53Z nydel: (murepl:/ 1001 chat t) would be an easy special form to implement but that's tangential 2014-12-16T00:42:13Z nydel: before i start trying to organize a group and build it myself i need to check what exists already in the area of a social REPL 2014-12-16T00:42:15Z Bicyclidine: why not just (murepl:chat 1000 t) 2014-12-16T00:42:22Z Bicyclidine: well, i've never herad of anything like that 2014-12-16T00:43:18Z stepnem quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net) 2014-12-16T00:43:36Z nydel: oh, yeah that's better. in my mind the session was specified before command (so you can have commands specific to different sessions as users develop and customize and expand them) 2014-12-16T00:44:13Z Bicyclidine: http://quickdocs.org/search?q=repl not a whole lot going on here 2014-12-16T00:44:13Z brent80_plow quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2014-12-16T00:44:40Z nydel: do you think it's an interesting idea? i can't imagine that people wouldn't want to use something like that. imagine you could open your REPL and just check a registrar for what's currently goin' on in shared lisp spaces! i think that'd be amazing. 2014-12-16T00:45:15Z Bicyclidine: it's interesting. i can't say if i'd use it, though. 2014-12-16T00:45:34Z Ethan- joined #lisp 2014-12-16T00:46:14Z nydel: not a lot going on with q=multiuser or q=shared ... similar queries also nothing 2014-12-16T00:46:40Z hiroakip quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2014-12-16T00:47:34Z nydel: would you not necessarily use it on account of general disinterest, or do you already do the things features like these would accomplish and prefer your ways, or another reason? 2014-12-16T00:48:28Z Bicyclidine: Oh, just because I personally am not very social, is all. 2014-12-16T00:49:57Z CrazyM4n: So, I can't get the version that I installed from the webpage to work with slime for whatever reason 2014-12-16T00:50:02Z CrazyM4n: So I tried to install it from the repos 2014-12-16T00:50:02Z nydel: none of us are. there's something about social interaction and ther inernet that really turns lisp hackers and hacker of other types off. and i undertand that completely. it might be a pipe dream, but if IRC is still going strong, then i think the desire for a more socially interactive REPL experience might be real. 2014-12-16T00:50:22Z echo-area joined #lisp 2014-12-16T00:50:27Z CrazyM4n: But I can't uninstall the previous SBCL... (yeah I'm not too good with linux :P) 2014-12-16T00:50:35Z CrazyM4n: It's not listed in aptitude 2014-12-16T00:50:38Z Bicyclidine: CrazyM4n: How did you install Slime? 2014-12-16T00:50:42Z nydel: CrazyM4n: are you setting up slime for the first time? 2014-12-16T00:50:57Z CrazyM4n: It worked when I installed both slime and sbcl from the repos 2014-12-16T00:51:01Z nydel: CrazyM4n: also which linux are you using 2014-12-16T00:51:12Z nyef: A debianoid, at least. 2014-12-16T00:51:15Z Bicyclidine: oh, slime from repo might have been a bad idea. 2014-12-16T00:51:31Z Bicyclidine: well, check your .emacs, hopefully there's something like "setq inferior-lisp-program" in there. 2014-12-16T00:52:05Z nyef: And that typically means Debian itself or Ubuntu, or possibly LMDE... 2014-12-16T00:52:18Z Bicyclidine: I think Crazy specified Ubuntu earlier. 2014-12-16T00:52:52Z CrazyM4n: I am just going to use the built in REPL 2014-12-16T00:52:55Z CrazyM4n: I want to jump in already 2014-12-16T00:53:21Z Bicyclidine: beware backspacing 2014-12-16T00:53:23Z nydel: (setq inferior-lisp-program "/path/to/sbcl") (add-to-list 'load-path "/path/to/slime/directory/") (require 'slime) 2014-12-16T00:53:28Z nydel: should go in your .emacs 2014-12-16T00:53:38Z nydel: then launch emacs an see if there are any errors and if so what 2014-12-16T00:53:40Z nyef: You might want to use rlwrap if you're using a bare REPL in some implementations. 2014-12-16T00:53:51Z Bicyclidine: CrazyM4n: http://common-lisp.net/project/linedit/ should help 2014-12-16T00:54:04Z CrazyM4n: Wait, does emacs use lisp for configuration? 2014-12-16T00:54:17Z Bicyclidine: it uses emacs lisp, which is different from common lisp 2014-12-16T00:54:20Z jasom: CrazyM4n: it uses elisp for almost all of its functionality 2014-12-16T00:54:38Z nyef: "Emacs: A decent operating system with a lousy text editor." 2014-12-16T00:54:40Z jasom: they share common heritage though (RMS just wasn't sure about newfangled features like "lexical binding" when he wrote it) 2014-12-16T00:54:51Z jasom: nyef: evil fixes that problem ;) 2014-12-16T00:55:11Z nyef: Ouch! 2014-12-16T00:55:12Z nydel: CrazyM4n: do you have quicklisp? it can be easier to set up slime with quicklisp ... guys hep me out here, what are the relevant packages? the one makes a good config file, the one does something else... slime-helper is it? 2014-12-16T00:55:21Z Bicyclidine: quicklisp-slime-helper. 2014-12-16T00:55:28Z Bicyclidine: i think that does pretty much everything. 2014-12-16T00:55:30Z nyef: ... And is there some equivalent to VIgor for emacs? 2014-12-16T00:55:32Z nydel: that's the one. 2014-12-16T00:55:50Z nydel: http://quicklisp.org 2014-12-16T00:56:12Z nydel: you can set that up so your sbcl loads up quicklisp and all from a sbcl (outside emacs) repl 2014-12-16T00:57:00Z nydel: someone with more credibility than me should mention how integral quicklisp is 2014-12-16T00:57:21Z k-dawg joined #lisp 2014-12-16T00:57:35Z nyef: ... And here I thought it was rational, not integral? 2014-12-16T00:57:57Z nyef: ... Or maybe it's real complex? (-: 2014-12-16T00:58:17Z nydel: nyef: ha, i was doing thesaurus somersaults in my head while chosing that poorly-chosen word 2014-12-16T00:58:25Z nydel: yeah, it's very rational to have quicklisp installed. 2014-12-16T00:58:50Z nydel: probably most lisp hackers use it regularly 2014-12-16T00:59:23Z nyef: Mmm. I don't UPDATE it much, and I use it more at work than for my own stuff, but I use it. 2014-12-16T01:00:00Z nydel: nyef: in context of someone trying to set up slime to learn emacs, i'd recommend ql 100% 2014-12-16T01:00:39Z nydel: Bicyclidine: i'm going to write my multi-user repl thing up. any package name suggestions? 2014-12-16T01:00:55Z nyef: Mmm. And I'd recommend that one usenet post by... was it Norvig? Xach would know, he put together the archive, the one about not using editor integration at all. 2014-12-16T01:01:22Z Bicyclidine: murepl seems fine. either that or lispspace, like hackerspace or whatever the kids are calling them these days 2014-12-16T01:01:57Z nydel: ha https://github.com/nathanielksmith/murepl 2014-12-16T01:02:33Z Bicyclidine: oops. 2014-12-16T01:02:41Z Bicyclidine: i guess on the note of games the croquet project was barely like that. 2014-12-16T01:02:46Z Bicyclidine: kind of getting abstract there though. 2014-12-16T01:02:49Z nydel: not the same as my project but some of the people might be interested 2014-12-16T01:03:09Z nydel: mulisp? 2014-12-16T01:03:22Z Bicyclidine: multilisp dungeon 2014-12-16T01:03:22Z junxit`` quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2014-12-16T01:03:37Z nyef: Collaborative Lisp Over Network? 2014-12-16T01:03:52Z nyef: Hrm. As an acronym it needs work. 2014-12-16T01:04:06Z nydel: oo nyef i like including "CL" without it meaning common lisp 2014-12-16T01:04:21Z nydel: because i think we're all tired of packages that begin with "cl" when they dont' have to 2014-12-16T01:04:26Z nyef: And I was just trying to get yet ANOTHER project named CLON out there. (-: 2014-12-16T01:04:56Z nydel: yes yes clap clap lol but it's actually not a bad direction 2014-12-16T01:05:25Z CrazyM4n: My .emacs is empty, that explains a lot 2014-12-16T01:08:12Z gabriel_laddel quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2014-12-16T01:09:02Z nydel: protocol for shared arbitrary repl activity? (i really like the name psara) dammit why is murepl taken. 2014-12-16T01:11:34Z davazp` joined #lisp 2014-12-16T01:11:51Z unoyunodos joined #lisp 2014-12-16T01:11:55Z nydel: muclr multi-user common lisp repl, or need i specify common? mulr? 2014-12-16T01:13:04Z davazp quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2014-12-16T01:14:27Z nyef: Collaborative Lisp Interactive Multiuser Environment? Hrm... 2014-12-16T01:15:25Z nyef: COLlaborative Lisp IDE? COLLIDE? 2014-12-16T01:15:25Z gabriel_laddel joined #lisp 2014-12-16T01:15:40Z gabriel_laddel quit (Changing host) 2014-12-16T01:15:40Z gabriel_laddel joined #lisp 2014-12-16T01:15:53Z nyef: ... And our spambot for the day is unoyunodos. 2014-12-16T01:16:12Z CrazyM4n: Woo, slime works :D 2014-12-16T01:16:55Z towodo joined #lisp 2014-12-16T01:18:15Z nyef: Congratulations. 2014-12-16T01:18:29Z urandom__ quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 2014-12-16T01:18:50Z Bicyclidine quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2014-12-16T01:20:44Z thawes quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-12-16T01:25:01Z unoyunodos quit (K-Lined) 2014-12-16T01:25:40Z davazp` quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2014-12-16T01:26:46Z Denommus joined #lisp 2014-12-16T01:29:44Z honestemu joined #lisp 2014-12-16T01:30:07Z honestemu: Do any of you have any experience making music with lisp? 2014-12-16T01:30:13Z Bicyclidine joined #lisp 2014-12-16T01:30:59Z Bicyclidine quit (Client Quit) 2014-12-16T01:31:17Z Bike: nope, but i like emily howell 2014-12-16T01:32:29Z nydel: nyef: i really like COLLIDE 2014-12-16T01:33:12Z nyef: Yeah, it's a good name, but a lousy acronym. 2014-12-16T01:34:41Z nyef: honestemu: I seem to recall having written an sn76489 simulator in Lisp. Does that count? 2014-12-16T01:35:07Z honestemu: I was looking at something like: https://ccrma.stanford.edu/software/clm/ 2014-12-16T01:35:18Z honestemu: And was wondering if any of you had any experience using it. 2014-12-16T01:35:18Z nyef: On the other hand, I could be mis-remembering... 2014-12-16T01:35:32Z nyef: Ah, that, whatever it is, I'm unfamiliar with. 2014-12-16T01:36:18Z Denommus quit (Quit: going home) 2014-12-16T01:36:27Z normanrichards joined #lisp 2014-12-16T01:44:50Z nyef: ... Did I write an sn76489 in Lisp, or am I mis-remembering my motivation for creating FFI bindings for my C version? 2014-12-16T01:45:17Z ASau` joined #lisp 2014-12-16T01:46:10Z CrazyM4n quit (Quit: internet lag) 2014-12-16T01:46:20Z malice quit (Quit: Leaving) 2014-12-16T01:47:15Z harish joined #lisp 2014-12-16T01:48:08Z manuel__ quit (Quit: manuel__) 2014-12-16T01:48:40Z ASau quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2014-12-16T01:49:34Z looking_glass joined #lisp 2014-12-16T01:53:49Z junxit`` joined #lisp 2014-12-16T01:55:23Z nyef: (For the record, I did write an sn76489 simulator. As expected, it was in the same directory as the FFI bindings. 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I tried a, b, c” always results in “What are you seeing?” “Did you try a? How about trying b? Try c and get back to us…” lol 2014-12-16T03:11:12Z julianb is now known as tesia_JULIANB 2014-12-16T03:11:14Z cstacy: So now I’m in the let-you-walk-me-through-it mode 2014-12-16T03:11:56Z hugod quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2014-12-16T03:17:24Z cstacy left #lisp 2014-12-16T03:17:38Z MrWoohoo quit (Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]) 2014-12-16T03:21:13Z johs quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2014-12-16T03:22:21Z frkout_ quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-12-16T03:22:44Z Khisanth joined #lisp 2014-12-16T03:22:48Z frkout joined #lisp 2014-12-16T03:25:54Z Zhivago: cstacy: Your question is vague. Consider the actual error message. 2014-12-16T03:26:22Z johs joined #lisp 2014-12-16T03:26:31Z nyef: Heh. How many of the entries in minion's advice file are basically "the error message is important"? 2014-12-16T03:26:55Z CrazyEddy quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2014-12-16T03:30:05Z akkad: cstacy they like to deconstruct here. Never ask a question. 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Not any more. 2014-12-16T04:57:06Z Zhivago: There's always mechanical turk. 2014-12-16T04:58:12Z Zhivago: Or you could just build a bayesian filter based on the things you say in order to find the most agreeable things to read. 2014-12-16T04:58:24Z beach: That's a nice idea. 2014-12-16T05:03:22Z beach: drmeister: My advice is that you learn to deal with people telling you that you should have done things differently, or that you should have done something different altogether. Otherwise, you will get angry, discouraged, or depressed. Nowadays, when that happens to me, I tell my wife about it, and we have a good laugh about it while having dinner. 2014-12-16T05:06:42Z |3b| just assumes i should have done things differently in general :p 2014-12-16T05:07:44Z Vutral quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2014-12-16T05:08:33Z goglosh left #lisp 2014-12-16T05:09:29Z beach: This being an international crowd, we also have to recognize cultural differences. North America is a can-do place where praise is given out a lot. Other places are more like this article describes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Jante 2014-12-16T05:11:54Z Longlius joined #lisp 2014-12-16T05:13:19Z akkad ponders why :clack would break delivery on lispworks 2014-12-16T05:15:06Z jussss` joined #lisp 2014-12-16T05:15:12Z |3b|: does it initialize any foreign resources on load or start threads? 2014-12-16T05:15:27Z |3b|: that's a common problem on other lisps at least 2014-12-16T05:15:36Z akkad: cannot create processes before multiprocessing is initialized 2014-12-16T05:15:55Z |3b|: thats on the final result? 2014-12-16T05:15:58Z akkad: so if I take a helloworld.lisp example and just add (ql:quickload :clack) it will bomb 2014-12-16T05:16:17Z akkad: and a helloworld.build that just delivers that, it repros the case easily, 2014-12-16T05:16:25Z pjb: CrazyM4n: Have a look at (intersection common-lisp emacs-lisp scheme) http://www.informatimago.com/develop/lisp/com/informatimago/small-cl-pgms/intersection-r5rs-common-lisp-emacs-lisp/ 2014-12-16T05:16:33Z manuel__ joined #lisp 2014-12-16T05:16:47Z manuel__ quit (Client Quit) 2014-12-16T05:17:13Z jussss quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2014-12-16T05:17:17Z |3b|: akkad: how about just bordeaux-threads instead of all of clack? 2014-12-16T05:17:24Z CrazyM4n: pjb: What is it? 2014-12-16T05:17:29Z akkad: |3b| let me try 2014-12-16T05:17:49Z pjb: CrazyM4n: what word you don't understand? 2014-12-16T05:18:00Z pjb: intersection? common-lisp? emacs-lisp? scheme? 2014-12-16T05:18:37Z CrazyM4n: Intersection 2014-12-16T05:18:40Z beach 's hard disk sounds like it has a sore throat. 2014-12-16T05:18:46Z CrazyM4n: What do they mean by that. 2014-12-16T05:18:58Z Zhivago: He's probably using one of those old-time rotational models. 2014-12-16T05:18:59Z pjb: CrazyM4n: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersection_%28set_theory%29 2014-12-16T05:19:21Z beach: pjb: Heh! 2014-12-16T05:19:35Z |3b|: CrazyM4n: "they" is pjb, and it is an example of code that runs on all 3 of those lisp dialects 2014-12-16T05:19:35Z CrazyM4n: Oh, I get it 2014-12-16T05:19:37Z beach: CrazyM4n: Things they have in common, I would presume. 2014-12-16T05:19:37Z echo-area quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-12-16T05:20:03Z pjb: beach: perhaps now would be a good time to update your backups? 2014-12-16T05:20:09Z CrazyM4n: I'll bookmark it to read through the source tomorrow 2014-12-16T05:20:13Z echo-area joined #lisp 2014-12-16T05:20:28Z manuel__ joined #lisp 2014-12-16T05:20:31Z beach: pjb: It's been like this for months. My "backups" are all on GitHub. 2014-12-16T05:20:39Z |3b| would say "good time to /verify/ backups, since the good time to /make/ them was long ago :p" 2014-12-16T05:20:50Z beach: pjb: But yeah, thanks for the reminder. 2014-12-16T05:22:04Z beach: pjb: By the way, thanks for the comments about the article. 2014-12-16T05:22:10Z pjb: You're welcome. 2014-12-16T05:22:42Z akkad: |3b| bordeaux-threads work fine 2014-12-16T05:23:13Z akkad: just clack 2014-12-16T05:23:33Z |3b|: akkad: are you building an executable that tries to quickload clack? (ass opposed to building one that already contains clack) 2014-12-16T05:23:53Z jussss` quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-12-16T05:24:07Z |3b|: *as 2014-12-16T05:24:43Z mearnsh quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2014-12-16T05:24:50Z pjb: CrazyM4n: try: telnet voyager.informatimago.com 8101 2014-12-16T05:25:07Z |3b|: akkad: also, do you get any sort of backtrace or idea what it was doing when it gets the error? 2014-12-16T05:25:12Z pjb: CrazyM4n: or have a look at http://www.cliki.net/Common%20Lisp%20implementation 2014-12-16T05:25:21Z k-dawg quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2014-12-16T05:25:50Z akkad: |3b| pastebin.com/qvf4GrQp 2014-12-16T05:25:54Z akkad: let me do the same with error 2014-12-16T05:25:59Z White_Flame quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2014-12-16T05:26:00Z k-dawg joined #lisp 2014-12-16T05:26:04Z CrazyM4n: Bookmarking everything, don't worry :) 2014-12-16T05:26:13Z mearnsh joined #lisp 2014-12-16T05:26:34Z |3b|: 'this paste has been removed!' 2014-12-16T05:27:00Z akkad: clos maybe 2014-12-16T05:27:14Z White_Flame joined #lisp 2014-12-16T05:31:51Z CrazyM4n quit (Quit: "sleep") 2014-12-16T05:33:05Z ryankarason quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2014-12-16T05:33:11Z gingerale joined #lisp 2014-12-16T05:34:43Z akkad: |3b| is the full error http://pastebin.com/yuqv6s68 2014-12-16T05:36:22Z akkad: sbcl/ccl have no problem generating bins. 2014-12-16T05:36:58Z Bike: what's -block-multiprocessing, and have you asked lw support 2014-12-16T05:37:16Z akkad: for the src code? 2014-12-16T05:37:25Z akkad: still waiting, their support is sort of um... 2014-12-16T05:37:38Z Bike: for debugging help. you paid a shitload of money for this, that includes support 2014-12-16T05:37:59Z akkad: their support for evaluation is meh 2014-12-16T05:37:59Z akkad: ;P 2014-12-16T05:38:33Z akkad: $$ better donated to ccl/sbcl imho 2014-12-16T05:39:14Z CrazyEddy joined #lisp 2014-12-16T05:39:40Z akkad: really highlights the support system for open vs closed systems 2014-12-16T05:40:18Z Bike: how about the mailing lists? 2014-12-16T05:40:34Z akkad: will try it thanks 2014-12-16T05:40:44Z Vutral joined #lisp 2014-12-16T05:43:16Z tesia_JULIANB quit (Quit: Goodbye) 2014-12-16T05:43:34Z resttime quit (Quit: resttime) 2014-12-16T05:45:14Z PaleFire joined #lisp 2014-12-16T05:46:06Z nikki93 joined #lisp 2014-12-16T05:47:10Z zeitue joined #lisp 2014-12-16T05:48:12Z Vutral quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2014-12-16T05:49:07Z loz1 joined #lisp 2014-12-16T05:49:24Z arpunk quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2014-12-16T05:55:05Z nyef quit (Quit: G'night all) 2014-12-16T05:55:15Z loz1 quit (Quit: Leaving.) 2014-12-16T05:58:52Z |3b|: akkad: it looks like it sets up log4cl, which starts a thread 2014-12-16T05:59:02Z |3b|: akkad: you need to either let it start a thread or make it not do that 2014-12-16T05:59:03Z frkout_ joined #lisp 2014-12-16T05:59:03Z harish joined #lisp 2014-12-16T05:59:07Z manuel__ quit (Quit: manuel__) 2014-12-16T06:00:10Z akkad: |3b| thanks 2014-12-16T06:00:23Z akkad: sent an email to the hug list 2014-12-16T06:02:01Z frkout quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2014-12-16T06:05:48Z nell quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2014-12-16T06:07:57Z loz1 joined #lisp 2014-12-16T06:09:00Z oleo quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-12-16T06:10:33Z jusss joined #lisp 2014-12-16T06:10:46Z manuel__ joined #lisp 2014-12-16T06:10:46Z manuel__ quit (Client Quit) 2014-12-16T06:14:08Z innertracks joined #lisp 2014-12-16T06:15:17Z corni joined #lisp 2014-12-16T06:19:20Z harish quit (Quit: Leaving) 2014-12-16T06:20:41Z corni quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2014-12-16T06:21:01Z pranavrc joined #lisp 2014-12-16T06:22:27Z Vutral joined #lisp 2014-12-16T06:25:29Z gabriel_laddel quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-12-16T06:27:43Z loz1 quit (Quit: Leaving.) 2014-12-16T06:38:58Z nydel: the multi-user repl server object is going to be a difficult but probably awesome thingie i think. still haven't found another already in existence but am continuing the search. 2014-12-16T06:40:57Z Bike: can't you just have multiple swank connectiosn 2014-12-16T06:41:54Z drdanmaku quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) 2014-12-16T06:42:16Z nydel: Bike: i might do it that way. portable would be nice but slime/swank could get the job done. 2014-12-16T06:42:52Z pgomes joined #lisp 2014-12-16T06:42:58Z Bike: you want to make a development environment, don't you? abandoning the best lisp one wouldn't help your popularity 2014-12-16T06:43:28Z nydel: not abandoning though. just wondering, could i include other implementations as well? 2014-12-16T06:43:55Z nydel: and what if the shared REPL could be one type of lisp without requiring all the clients to be the same? 2014-12-16T06:44:14Z nydel: https://github.com/nydel/muclr/wiki/Home i'm still thinking a lot over. would adore any input. 2014-12-16T06:44:40Z Bike: i'm not sure how you'd preserve a sane state in multiple implementations 2014-12-16T06:45:32Z nydel: the shared repl stays separated from all the client repls. each client can operate the shared space but it is never going to take over their own. 2014-12-16T06:45:48Z nydel: i think with that sanity can be possible 2014-12-16T06:46:03Z sdemarre joined #lisp 2014-12-16T06:46:14Z DrCode quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-12-16T06:47:12Z beach: nydel: Is that the README? 2014-12-16T06:47:26Z DrCode joined #lisp 2014-12-16T06:47:59Z beach: Ah, no. Found it. 2014-12-16T06:48:43Z nydel: the README is not done at all, file "ABOUT" is the readme but longer, with some insane scribblings showing what i think the end result could look like from client end 2014-12-16T06:49:24Z gingerale quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2014-12-16T06:49:31Z beach: Got it. 2014-12-16T06:50:52Z nydel: really appreciate y'alls time considering this. i am almost sure it's a good idea but it's also rather potentially tedious if i do it wrong. 2014-12-16T06:55:26Z zhangyh26258 joined #lisp 2014-12-16T06:55:35Z frkout_ quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2014-12-16T06:55:45Z frkout joined #lisp 2014-12-16T06:56:11Z frkout quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-12-16T06:56:39Z frkout joined #lisp 2014-12-16T06:57:21Z loke: Is there an IRC-server protocol implementation for CL? 2014-12-16T06:57:22Z zhangyh26258 quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 2014-12-16T06:57:27Z loke: Anyone seen one? 2014-12-16T06:58:53Z mrSpec joined #lisp 2014-12-16T06:59:04Z nydel: loke: i looked all around while researching this because that's where the idea came from. did not find anything 2014-12-16T06:59:17Z loke: nydel: Argh 2014-12-16T06:59:20Z loke: OK 2014-12-16T06:59:37Z zhangyh26258 joined #lisp 2014-12-16T07:01:27Z zhangyh26258 quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-12-16T07:03:04Z drl joined #lisp 2014-12-16T07:04:00Z drl quit (Client Quit) 2014-12-16T07:05:29Z sdemarre quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2014-12-16T07:05:32Z zRecursive quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-12-16T07:07:21Z Bike: nydel: i don't think i quite understand what you're thinking, but if you don't know, one slime can have multiple repls for multiple lisps, at the same time. so you could have one for the local and one for each muclr thing. 2014-12-16T07:07:40Z zhangyh26258 joined #lisp 2014-12-16T07:09:06Z zhangyh26258 quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 2014-12-16T07:09:29Z nydel: Bike: that's one way to do it. i remember something weird about ssh piping to connect to a slime, maybe building that into a system could be a start 2014-12-16T07:09:45Z Bike: yeah, you can connect remotely. 2014-12-16T07:09:47Z zhangyh26258 joined #lisp 2014-12-16T07:10:22Z Bike: http://www.common-lisp.net/project/slime/doc/html/Connecting-to-a-remote-lisp.html 2014-12-16T07:11:09Z nydel: i still like the idea of registering the instances. almost as if they're IRC channels. 2014-12-16T07:13:40Z tesuji joined #lisp 2014-12-16T07:13:46Z nydel: Bike: opening the ssh tunnel between a local and whichever port is the slime remote's ... if that step could be taken out of the equation or rather automized then swank/slime could work for what i'm thinking 2014-12-16T07:14:05Z nydel: but is that possible? any packages that set up ssh tunnels from cl? 2014-12-16T07:14:48Z beach left #lisp 2014-12-16T07:14:56Z Pete_R joined #lisp 2014-12-16T07:15:12Z jumblerg joined #lisp 2014-12-16T07:16:26Z nydel: (by the by, i've been using these steps to control my hunchentoot webserver without shutting it off. i daemonized the slime instance and now i can connect and add/drop pages without restarting the server even. very cool) 2014-12-16T07:16:36Z fragamus joined #lisp 2014-12-16T07:16:54Z scymtym__ quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2014-12-16T07:16:55Z nydel: that's at nydel.sdf.org or actually it's at ma.sdf.org:9903 which is where i opened the hunchentoot behind apache. 2014-12-16T07:17:45Z gabriel_laddel joined #lisp 2014-12-16T07:18:54Z nydel: to be clear though what i'm doing there is possibly as unnecessary as imaginable if all you wanna do is make a webpage. but it's the bones for a similar multi-user project. i want different people to be able to connect to the slime and add weblog entries. 2014-12-16T07:19:25Z nydel: is it so crazy to wanna do everything from my repl 2014-12-16T07:22:31Z gabriel_laddel quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2014-12-16T07:30:05Z t4intz quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-12-16T07:30:17Z t4intz joined #lisp 2014-12-16T07:31:00Z edgar-rft joined #lisp 2014-12-16T07:36:21Z mishoo joined #lisp 2014-12-16T07:40:26Z innertracks quit (Quit: innertracks) 2014-12-16T07:41:49Z tesuji quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2014-12-16T07:41:58Z REPLeffect joined #lisp 2014-12-16T07:42:04Z Beetny joined #lisp 2014-12-16T07:42:57Z theos quit (Disconnected by services) 2014-12-16T07:43:17Z jusss quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2014-12-16T07:43:28Z theos joined #lisp 2014-12-16T07:46:05Z robot-beethoven quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2014-12-16T07:46:44Z kcj joined #lisp 2014-12-16T07:47:21Z pppp2 joined #lisp 2014-12-16T07:48:55Z jusss joined #lisp 2014-12-16T07:50:37Z robot-beethoven joined #lisp 2014-12-16T07:52:54Z meiji11 joined #lisp 2014-12-16T07:57:44Z pgomes quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2014-12-16T07:59:35Z manuel__ joined #lisp 2014-12-16T07:59:46Z frkout_ joined #lisp 2014-12-16T08:00:09Z Vutral quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2014-12-16T08:02:07Z meiji11 quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-12-16T08:03:23Z frkout quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2014-12-16T08:10:08Z jumblerg quit (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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I the clasp swank implementation using slime. I've worked for years to reach this point. 2014-12-16T15:21:08Z drmeister: I can debug the clasp swank implementation using slime. 2014-12-16T15:22:10Z Shinmera: \o/ 2014-12-16T15:23:04Z gingerale joined #lisp 2014-12-16T15:23:14Z _loic_ joined #lisp 2014-12-16T15:23:50Z dlowe: grats 2014-12-16T15:24:34Z thawes quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2014-12-16T15:24:45Z thawes joined #lisp 2014-12-16T15:24:54Z atgreen quit (Changing host) 2014-12-16T15:24:54Z atgreen joined #lisp 2014-12-16T15:26:43Z oldk joined #lisp 2014-12-16T15:26:50Z DrCode joined #lisp 2014-12-16T15:27:08Z yrk joined #lisp 2014-12-16T15:27:39Z yrk quit (Changing host) 2014-12-16T15:27:40Z yrk joined #lisp 2014-12-16T15:27:41Z clog_ quit (Quit: ^C) 2014-12-16T15:27:52Z clog joined #lisp 2014-12-16T15:30:56Z gravicappa quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-12-16T15:31:05Z vaporatorius joined #lisp 2014-12-16T15:32:17Z Ethan- quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2014-12-16T15:33:37Z oldk quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2014-12-16T15:33:47Z Adlai joined #lisp 2014-12-16T15:34:22Z foom: _death: common lisp is basically broken with errors in unwind-protect, too. see the discussion for EXIT-EXTENT:MINIMAL 2014-12-16T15:34:24Z foom: http://www.ai.mit.edu/projects/iiip/doc/CommonLISP/HyperSpec/Issues/iss152-writeup.html 2014-12-16T15:37:35Z drdanmaku joined #lisp 2014-12-16T15:37:42Z k-dawg quit (Quit: Leaving) 2014-12-16T15:39:29Z atgreen quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-12-16T15:40:06Z arcwest1 joined #lisp 2014-12-16T15:41:25Z nyef joined #lisp 2014-12-16T15:41:28Z kapil__ quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) 2014-12-16T15:41:46Z nyef: G'morning all. 2014-12-16T15:44:03Z Karl_Dscc joined #lisp 2014-12-16T15:47:38Z wasamasa: foom: reads to me like a request for clarification of the semantics 2014-12-16T15:49:17Z foom: wasamasa: Yes. That is "cleanup issue", a recorded discussion about fixing a problem in the spec. 2014-12-16T15:50:44Z foom: What the spec now says, after that cleanup, is http://www.ai.mit.edu/projects/iiip/doc/CommonLISP/HyperSpec/Body/sec_5-2.html 2014-12-16T15:51:36Z foom: in which it says that as soon as a transfer of control (e.g. from throw) occurs, "Intervening exit points are ``abandoned'' (i.e., their extent ends and it is no longer valid to attempt to transfer control through them)." 2014-12-16T15:52:34Z foom: And yet, their catch tags, condition handlers, and restarts are still active, and can get (invalidly) invoked if you were to try to do something like signal an error from an unwind-protect 2014-12-16T15:53:00Z schjetne: Is there a good way to send email from a CL application? CL-Sendmail? 2014-12-16T15:53:22Z nyef: CL-SMTP might work, but IIRC it needs a dot-stuffer. 2014-12-16T15:53:45Z schjetne: dot-stuffer? 2014-12-16T15:53:56Z nyef: JFGI 2014-12-16T15:55:49Z Grue`: google results dont seem to be helpful at all in this case 2014-12-16T15:56:12Z wasamasa: I've found exactly one result with duckduckgo which gave me a helpful IRC log 2014-12-16T15:56:48Z Grue`: which probably means its a very obscure term 2014-12-16T15:56:51Z Poenikatu left #lisp 2014-12-16T15:57:18Z H4ns: i don't think a dot stuffer is needed for cl-smtp 2014-12-16T15:57:21Z nyef: https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=email+dot-stuffing 2014-12-16T15:57:21Z wasamasa: it's a pretty obscure term for the fact a full stop on its own line will terminate an e-mail with SMTP 2014-12-16T15:57:50Z sword` joined #lisp 2014-12-16T15:58:48Z ivan4th: last time I used cl-smtp I managed to send utf-8 emails like this: http://paste.lisp.org/+33NW 2014-12-16T15:59:01Z nyef: H4ns: It was for cl-smtp-20101107-http, per quicklisp. 2014-12-16T15:59:23Z kjeldahl quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2014-12-16T15:59:24Z ivan4th: although afaik cl-smtp doesn't do everything 100% correct 2014-12-16T15:59:31Z sword quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2014-12-16T15:59:47Z schjetne: Sounds sketchy 2014-12-16T15:59:51Z ivan4th: IIRC there are problems with line length and such (or am I wrong) 2014-12-16T16:00:06Z kjeldahl joined #lisp 2014-12-16T16:00:09Z ivan4th: though the code above worked 2014-12-16T16:00:12Z schjetne: Might be worth doing the emailing in a language with more established tooling 2014-12-16T16:00:23Z dlowe: yeah, smtp is easy, email encoding is hard. 2014-12-16T16:00:47Z H4ns: while cl-smtp (i have not written it) does not follow all details of all smtp requirements, but i have never had trouble with it. and i used it to send tons of mime encoded emails with attachments and all that. 2014-12-16T16:00:55Z jocuman joined #lisp 2014-12-16T16:01:26Z H4ns: i do have a fork called cl-smtp-hh which fixed some of the bugs that i have encountered, but many of them have been fixed upstream as well. 2014-12-16T16:01:49Z H4ns: for mass mail sending, using mandrilapp's http/json interface would be a very viable alternative nowadays. 2014-12-16T16:02:00Z nyef: I've ran into issues from not having a dot-stuffer in cl-smtp, FWIW. 2014-12-16T16:02:32Z nyef: Mostly due to allowing random users to specify message text, some of whom put a single dot on a line for part of their message. 2014-12-16T16:02:41Z sword`` joined #lisp 2014-12-16T16:02:50Z H4ns: it should be easy to figure out whether it is still required. 2014-12-16T16:03:26Z schjetne: H4ns: which MIME lib do you use? cl-mime or mime4cl? 2014-12-16T16:03:34Z towodo quit (Quit: towodo) 2014-12-16T16:03:53Z nyef: Yes, it should. I have no current need to send email from lisp, though, so I'm not planning to bother. 2014-12-16T16:03:57Z zacharias quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2014-12-16T16:04:13Z H4ns: schjetne: cl-mime. it is dreadful to find out how it works, but it works great. 2014-12-16T16:06:25Z sword` quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2014-12-16T16:07:13Z schjetne: Mandrill looks interesting, but I'd prefer to avoid any vendor lock-in. 2014-12-16T16:07:56Z schjetne: I might give cl-mime and cl-smtp a try 2014-12-16T16:08:25Z schjetne: It's for web registration and password reset 2014-12-16T16:09:11Z rszeno joined #lisp 2014-12-16T16:09:36Z attila_lendvai joined #lisp 2014-12-16T16:09:40Z wasamasa: nyef: there are people out there who do that? 2014-12-16T16:09:57Z nyef: Who do what? 2014-12-16T16:10:17Z wasamasa: putting a full stop on its own line 2014-12-16T16:10:26Z nyef: It's been known. 2014-12-16T16:10:40Z wasamasa: scary 2014-12-16T16:10:55Z nyef: All it takes is mixing up a couple of characters at the end of a paragraph 2014-12-16T16:10:55Z nyef: . 2014-12-16T16:11:13Z pjb: drmeister: congractulation on you slime/swank clasp achievement unlocked! 2014-12-16T16:11:20Z pjb: s/c/ 2014-12-16T16:12:00Z H4ns: boy, that is depressing. 2014-12-16T16:12:10Z H4ns: it actually still needs dot stuffing. 2014-12-16T16:12:16Z H4ns: (cl-smtp that is) 2014-12-16T16:13:29Z FareWell quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2014-12-16T16:14:24Z hazz quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2014-12-16T16:14:25Z H4ns: somehow, common lisp is the most sophisticated professional tool and a toy environment at the same time :/ 2014-12-16T16:15:02Z nyef: Mmm. Painful at times, isn't it? 2014-12-16T16:15:37Z Subfusc joined #lisp 2014-12-16T16:15:51Z hazz joined #lisp 2014-12-16T16:15:55Z dlowe: email is surprisingly complicated, mostly due to lots of combinatorial options. 2014-12-16T16:16:25Z pjb: dlowe: and again, we don't do X400 or uucp addresses anymore. 2014-12-16T16:16:42Z H4ns: dlowe: i know my share of it. still, a library for email sending that fails to implement the most basic protocol feature correctly is, well, not so nice. 2014-12-16T16:16:51Z hazz quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 2014-12-16T16:17:24Z H4ns: sorry, i'll stop whining right now. 2014-12-16T16:18:29Z hentleman joined #lisp 2014-12-16T16:18:32Z hazz joined #lisp 2014-12-16T16:19:36Z towodo joined #lisp 2014-12-16T16:19:59Z rick-monster joined #lisp 2014-12-16T16:20:20Z rick-monster left #lisp 2014-12-16T16:20:35Z rick-monster joined #lisp 2014-12-16T16:20:40Z joneshf-laptop joined #lisp 2014-12-16T16:21:47Z harish joined #lisp 2014-12-16T16:23:11Z PaleFire joined #lisp 2014-12-16T16:29:00Z genii joined #lisp 2014-12-16T16:29:13Z oudeis quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep) 2014-12-16T16:29:48Z protist quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 2014-12-16T16:33:00Z oudeis joined #lisp 2014-12-16T16:34:31Z loke_ quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-12-16T16:34:31Z oudeis quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2014-12-16T16:35:55Z oudeis joined #lisp 2014-12-16T16:36:06Z oudeis_ joined #lisp 2014-12-16T16:39:05Z manuel__ quit (Quit: manuel__) 2014-12-16T16:40:00Z przl quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2014-12-16T16:40:59Z ered joined #lisp 2014-12-16T16:43:19Z redeemed quit (Quit: q) 2014-12-16T16:48:03Z gravicappa joined #lisp 2014-12-16T16:48:10Z s00pcan_ quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-12-16T16:50:28Z s00pcan joined #lisp 2014-12-16T16:56:43Z Baggers quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-12-16T17:03:49Z hekmek joined #lisp 2014-12-16T17:05:04Z genii is now known as ChristmasPresent 2014-12-16T17:06:39Z ChristmasPresent is now known as genii 2014-12-16T17:07:37Z ivan4th: btw, in my cl-smtp example the problem of dot stuffing is solved by base64-encoding of the message body 2014-12-16T17:08:13Z Vutral quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2014-12-16T17:08:17Z ivan4th: not that it's necessarily the right thing to do 2014-12-16T17:08:44Z Vutral_ joined #lisp 2014-12-16T17:08:46Z Vutral_ is now known as Vutral 2014-12-16T17:08:46Z Vutral quit (Changing host) 2014-12-16T17:08:46Z Vutral joined #lisp 2014-12-16T17:09:48Z innertracks joined #lisp 2014-12-16T17:11:01Z MrWoohoo joined #lisp 2014-12-16T17:11:09Z bb010g quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) 2014-12-16T17:14:51Z resttime joined #lisp 2014-12-16T17:16:31Z mvilleneuve quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep) 2014-12-16T17:18:06Z s00pcan quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-12-16T17:19:28Z s00pcan joined #lisp 2014-12-16T17:20:15Z mvilleneuve joined #lisp 2014-12-16T17:20:28Z mvilleneuve quit (Client Quit) 2014-12-16T17:21:15Z goldenlight joined #lisp 2014-12-16T17:23:16Z ryankarason joined #lisp 2014-12-16T17:23:31Z Davidbrcz joined #lisp 2014-12-16T17:26:55Z anannie quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2014-12-16T17:28:28Z scymtym quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-12-16T17:31:05Z oudeis quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep) 2014-12-16T17:31:05Z oudeis_ quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep) 2014-12-16T17:31:09Z tharugrim quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2014-12-16T17:31:36Z corni joined #lisp 2014-12-16T17:32:14Z dim: dot stuffing?! 2014-12-16T17:32:29Z Shinmera: SMTP is hungry 2014-12-16T17:32:38Z tharugrim joined #lisp 2014-12-16T17:35:43Z Denommus joined #lisp 2014-12-16T17:39:06Z Joreji joined #lisp 2014-12-16T17:45:42Z ryankarason quit (Quit: leaving) 2014-12-16T17:51:25Z isis_ quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2014-12-16T17:53:46Z Shinmera: ivan4th: Re: Pretty printer (from a day ago?) 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ZZZzzz…) 2014-12-16T18:56:53Z davazp joined #lisp 2014-12-16T18:59:21Z scymtym joined #lisp 2014-12-16T18:59:32Z attila_lendvai1 quit (Quit: Leaving.) 2014-12-16T19:00:46Z ehu joined #lisp 2014-12-16T19:02:53Z eudoxia joined #lisp 2014-12-16T19:04:14Z nyef: Mmm. SLIME is it's own reward, just ask Peter Venkman. 2014-12-16T19:04:42Z _death: may want to drop the apostrophe before asking 2014-12-16T19:04:56Z H4ns: rme: sounds like a good idea in general. it'd make sense to use the same feature as sbcl, if any 2014-12-16T19:05:26Z nyef: Ugh. Damnit, I usually catch its-it's mistakes myself. /-: 2014-12-16T19:06:11Z drmeister: nyef: My name is drmeister and I have a problem with apostrophes 2014-12-16T19:06:51Z nyef: drmeister: Many people do, which is why minion knows about thwap. 2014-12-16T19:06:54Z nyef: minion: thwap? 2014-12-16T19:06:54Z attila_lendvai joined #lisp 2014-12-16T19:06:54Z attila_lendvai quit (Changing host) 2014-12-16T19:06:54Z attila_lendvai joined #lisp 2014-12-16T19:06:54Z minion: thwap: THWAP! http://www.angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif and http://www.angryflower.com/itsits.gif (see also: http://www.unmutual.info/misc/sb_itsits.mp3 ) 2014-12-16T19:07:07Z pt1 joined #lisp 2014-12-16T19:07:16Z _death: drmeister: just think "it is".. if it doesn't fit, drop the apostrophe 2014-12-16T19:08:32Z hekmek quit (Quit: Verlassend) 2014-12-16T19:10:00Z oleo quit (Quit: Verlassend) 2014-12-16T19:10:19Z malbertife joined #lisp 2014-12-16T19:14:15Z towodo quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2014-12-16T19:15:20Z Kanae joined #lisp 2014-12-16T19:17:03Z REPLeffect quit 2014-12-16T19:19:02Z oleo joined #lisp 2014-12-16T19:19:36Z drmeister: _death: My brain know that. My right pinky finger... not so much. 2014-12-16T19:20:11Z rhllor joined #lisp 2014-12-16T19:20:13Z _death: time to work on those neural connections :) 2014-12-16T19:21:45Z nyef: Or the habit of re-reading what you type on IRC for simple mistakes before you send it. (-: 2014-12-16T19:22:04Z dlowe: one could trust in the goodwill of others not to make a big deal of it 2014-12-16T19:22:34Z arcwest1 quit (Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de) 2014-12-16T19:22:59Z drmeister: Anyway, this isn't about my yawning deficiencies as a person, this is about nyef's deep, deep deficiencies as a human being. I'm just comforting him. 2014-12-16T19:23:11Z nyef: Right, right. 2014-12-16T19:23:21Z drmeister: See, he's comforted. 2014-12-16T19:23:23Z towodo joined #lisp 2014-12-16T19:23:46Z drmeister knocks that social interaction out of the park. 2014-12-16T19:24:44Z Vutral quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2014-12-16T19:25:20Z drmeister: I'm debugging SLIME with lldb - what fun. 2014-12-16T19:25:34Z drmeister: Has anyone ever worked with libdwarf or DWARF using Common Lisp? 2014-12-16T19:26:39Z nyef: I've considered it, but never really taken the time to sort out a project plan, let alone any actual implementation stuff. 2014-12-16T19:26:46Z gendl joined #lisp 2014-12-16T19:27:39Z normanrichards joined #lisp 2014-12-16T19:27:47Z Vutral joined #lisp 2014-12-16T19:28:15Z rme: I remember hearing Andy Wingo talk about something he wrote in Guile Scheme...ah, here it is: http://wingolog.org/archives/2012/06/19/dltool-mines-dwarf 2014-12-16T19:28:46Z isoraqathedh quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2014-12-16T19:29:33Z isoraqathedh joined #lisp 2014-12-16T19:29:51Z oleo quit (Quit: Verlassend) 2014-12-16T19:30:21Z nyef: Hrm... There's interesting possibilities there. 2014-12-16T19:30:43Z yrk joined #lisp 2014-12-16T19:31:14Z yrk quit (Changing host) 2014-12-16T19:31:14Z yrk joined #lisp 2014-12-16T19:35:24Z hentleman quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) 2014-12-16T19:37:27Z oleo joined #lisp 2014-12-16T19:43:04Z pgomes quit (Quit: Leaving) 2014-12-16T19:44:20Z loz1 joined #lisp 2014-12-16T19:49:05Z Vutral quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2014-12-16T19:49:42Z drmeister: Yesh, it looks like he's reading the DWARF format directly - and not using a library. 2014-12-16T19:50:20Z pgomes joined #lisp 2014-12-16T19:50:41Z TDT` joined #lisp 2014-12-16T19:51:27Z oudeis joined #lisp 2014-12-16T19:51:37Z oudeis_ joined #lisp 2014-12-16T19:53:01Z TDT quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2014-12-16T19:53:27Z Xach: wingo doesn't mess around. 2014-12-16T19:53:46Z Xach: he wrote his own jpeg codec in scheme in the last month or two 2014-12-16T19:55:55Z innertracks joined #lisp 2014-12-16T19:56:02Z oudeis quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2014-12-16T19:56:11Z oudeis_ quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2014-12-16T19:57:04Z rszeno quit (Quit: Leaving.) 2014-12-16T20:00:28Z Vutral joined #lisp 2014-12-16T20:01:40Z oudeis_ joined #lisp 2014-12-16T20:02:50Z oudeis joined #lisp 2014-12-16T20:03:37Z ggole quit 2014-12-16T20:03:51Z davazp quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-12-16T20:08:26Z White_Flame: that's pretty interesting. 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