2014-12-14T00:02:39Z goglosh: what's the reason for the separated namespaces? 2014-12-14T00:02:43Z peterhil` quit (Quit: Must not waste too much time here...) 2014-12-14T00:03:39Z Bicyclidine: convenient 2014-12-14T00:03:47Z goglosh: convenient? 2014-12-14T00:03:50Z goglosh: how so? 2014-12-14T00:03:53Z Fare quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2014-12-14T00:04:02Z goglosh: looks rather inconvenient imo 2014-12-14T00:04:03Z Bicyclidine: i can (defun foo (list) ...) for a function that takes a list 2014-12-14T00:04:20Z LiamH quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2014-12-14T00:04:45Z goglosh: oh, sure 2014-12-14T00:05:01Z goglosh: seems rather superficial though, you could as well have used 'ls' 2014-12-14T00:05:04Z Shinmera: goglosh: There's plenty of talk about lisp-1 vs lisp-2 google-able already. 2014-12-14T00:06:15Z Shinmera quit (Quit: しつれいしなければならないんです。) 2014-12-14T00:06:37Z goglosh: yeah I've seen some 2014-12-14T00:07:04Z goglosh: and most of them are more inclined towards lisp-1's, that's why I want to know what you guys think 2014-12-14T00:07:19Z Bicyclidine: http://www.nhplace.com/kent/Papers/Technical-Issues.html 2014-12-14T00:07:22Z hiroakip quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2014-12-14T00:08:03Z |3b|: goglosh: if we preferred it significantly, we'd be in #scheme 2014-12-14T00:08:14Z |3b|: preferred lisp1 i mean 2014-12-14T00:09:16Z |3b| thinks like a lot of things in programming, it is mostly personal preference 2014-12-14T00:09:38Z goglosh: ^ I guess 2014-12-14T00:10:03Z White_Flame: a lisp-2 has far less worry on the part of the programmer of trampling on something obscure which might happen to be defined already 2014-12-14T00:10:54Z paul0 quit (Quit: Leaving) 2014-12-14T00:11:00Z White_Flame: (let ((foo 123)) ... (x)), where x internally called a function foo, might do bad things depending on how the environment is conceived in a lisp-1 2014-12-14T00:11:40Z White_Flame: but a lisp-1 has a few more syntactical conveniences 2014-12-14T00:11:56Z White_Flame: typically, eliminating funcall and #' 2014-12-14T00:12:18Z goglosh: but it's really not that trascendent right? 2014-12-14T00:12:24Z Bicyclidine: "transcendent"? 2014-12-14T00:12:33Z goglosh: I was actually asking because I thought it might just be historical 2014-12-14T00:12:55Z White_Flame: there are implications of programmatic style that come out of lisp1 vs lisp2 more than anything else 2014-12-14T00:13:12Z goglosh: yeah in the sense that it doesn't affect much beyond the syntax 2014-12-14T00:13:21Z White_Flame: but it doesn't make the semantics too horribly different 2014-12-14T00:14:07Z goglosh: yeah that's what I've been wondering, if the differences weren't somehow subtle, something rendering lisps truly incompatible 2014-12-14T00:14:08Z White_Flame: I consider lisp2 more robust and explicit, lisp1 more convenient and dangerous 2014-12-14T00:14:25Z White_Flame: the environments are definitely incompatible 2014-12-14T00:14:31Z White_Flame: but source code is easily ported 2014-12-14T00:14:51Z goglosh: cool. thankls 2014-12-14T00:15:30Z goglosh: sorry if it is the typical stupid newbie question, but I've never seen the problem addressed beyond a stylistic issue. 2014-12-14T00:15:52Z Bicyclidine: there's just not a lot to say about it beyond style 2014-12-14T00:16:47Z goglosh: so it seems, just wanted to get that off me already, damn, it's too big a deal over something so superficial then 2014-12-14T00:17:08Z |3b|: goglosh: they are both turing complete, so at some level they are equivalent. 2014-12-14T00:17:43Z goglosh: brainfuck is turing complete too 2014-12-14T00:17:45Z |3b|: at the surface level, there is a reasonable amount of overlap, and it is possible (if not reasonable) to write programs that work in both 2014-12-14T00:17:47Z |3b|: exactly 2014-12-14T00:18:02Z |3b|: everything beyond that is just for the humans 2014-12-14T00:18:15Z goglosh: yeah I was thinking I'd try making some sort of 'transformer' 2014-12-14T00:18:31Z goglosh: translator, w/e 2014-12-14T00:18:37Z |3b| just thinks of picking one and ignoring the other 2014-12-14T00:19:59Z goglosh: I don't know if I could. I do like the stylistic convention of scheme but I think it's too frivolous a reason to actually discard cl 2014-12-14T00:20:57Z goglosh: nail me to a plank 2014-12-14T00:21:43Z goglosh: anyway thanks for clearing it up. 2014-12-14T00:21:51Z ack006 quit (Quit: Leaving) 2014-12-14T00:22:19Z cpc26_ joined #lisp 2014-12-14T00:23:33Z tcr joined #lisp 2014-12-14T00:23:44Z cpc26 quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2014-12-14T00:24:36Z jeti quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2014-12-14T00:26:40Z Denommus joined #lisp 2014-12-14T00:26:40Z Denommus quit (Changing host) 2014-12-14T00:26:40Z Denommus joined #lisp 2014-12-14T00:38:15Z gabriel-artigue: quit 2014-12-14T00:38:20Z gabriel-artigue quit (Quit: leaving) 2014-12-14T00:39:18Z stacksmith: Bicyclidine, as I expected, I was doing something dumb with macros. All good now, thanks for your help. 2014-12-14T00:39:41Z Bicyclidine: welcome 2014-12-14T00:41:34Z stacksmith: White_Flame, thank you as well. You always make good suggestions :). 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