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You are defining a function named CL:NIL (illegal), with an ordinary lambda list (list (quote foo)) which is also illegal, in its second argument, but there is absolutely no function foo being called there. 2014-11-08T00:27:58Z miql quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2014-11-08T00:28:06Z nydel joined #lisp 2014-11-08T00:28:12Z jasom: pjb: sorry should have been (defun FOO () (list 'foo)) 2014-11-08T00:28:13Z miql joined #lisp 2014-11-08T00:28:25Z jasom: pjb: that was just one of the myriad things that was behaving oddly 2014-11-08T00:28:41Z pjb: dlowe: have a loo at: http://www.informatimago.com/develop/lisp/com/informatimago/small-cl-pgms/wang.html 2014-11-08T00:28:43Z JokesOnYou77 joined #lisp 2014-11-08T00:29:44Z pjb: dlowe: I hope micahjam97 didn't have some old LISP program to run! 2014-11-08T00:30:49Z pjb: dim: it wasn't a long way, on the contrary: just 8 definitions, to run a LISP 1.5 job. 2014-11-08T00:33:11Z jasom: minion: memo for Shinmera QURI can parse the parameters with a single function (quri.decode:url-decode-params) 2014-11-08T00:33:11Z minion: does torturing a poor bot with things beyond its comprehension please you? 2014-11-08T00:33:44Z jasom: minion: memo for Shinmera: QURI can parse the parameters with a single function (quri.decode:url-decode-params) 2014-11-08T00:33:44Z minion: Remembered. I'll tell Shinmera when he/she/it next speaks. 2014-11-08T00:34:08Z zRecursive joined #lisp 2014-11-08T00:34:53Z pjb: minion: memo for stassats: clisp is a Common Lisp implementation that has a compiler and an interpreter. It is not an interpreter. 2014-11-08T00:34:54Z minion: Remembered. I'll tell stassats when he/she/it next speaks. 2014-11-08T00:35:08Z pjb: Poor micahjam97… 2014-11-08T00:35:16Z dagnachew quit (Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1) 2014-11-08T00:35:49Z dagnachew joined #lisp 2014-11-08T00:37:11Z pjb: minion: memo for stassats: good resources for Common Lisp are: http://www.cliki.net/ 2014-11-08T00:37:11Z minion: Remembered. I'll tell stassats when he/she/it next speaks. 2014-11-08T00:37:23Z pjb: Poor poor micahjam97… 2014-11-08T00:37:53Z Bicyclidine: do you have to be so passive aggressive 2014-11-08T00:44:12Z pjb: You cannot advise ccl as an interpreter for MacOSX, since it has no interpreter! 2014-11-08T00:44:22Z pjb: Poor poor poor micahjam97… 2014-11-08T00:44:34Z Bicyclidine: i called it a compiler 2014-11-08T00:44:48Z Bicyclidine: after inferring that what they wanted was a language implementation rather than an interpreter specifically 2014-11-08T00:44:58Z Bicyclidine: using my amazing powers of social grace 2014-11-08T00:45:06Z pjb: He explicitely asked for an interpreter! 2014-11-08T00:45:16Z pjb: clisp and sbcl have interpreters and run on MacOSX. 2014-11-08T00:45:30Z pjb: (sbcl interpreter has to be activated explicitely). 2014-11-08T00:45:56Z Bicyclidine: i had no reason to believe they had a solid idea of interpreter vs compiler to begin with, they talked about "interpreted languages" later 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The page for mmap is still incomplete. As I have often said, I take contributions to this site in case someone is looking for something to do for 10 minutes. 2014-11-08T05:12:16Z beach: The site is GITified here: https://github.com/robert-strandh/Closix 2014-11-08T05:12:40Z beach: ... so anyone who wants to contribute can send me a pull request. 2014-11-08T05:15:10Z miql joined #lisp 2014-11-08T05:16:14Z tadni: Hey, beach. 2014-11-08T05:17:53Z Bicyclidine quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2014-11-08T05:18:22Z Bicyclidine joined #lisp 2014-11-08T05:19:57Z miql quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2014-11-08T05:20:51Z beach: tadni: Still thinking about Movitz? 2014-11-08T05:21:33Z drewc quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2014-11-08T05:22:08Z CrazyWoods joined #lisp 2014-11-08T05:22:08Z tadni: beach: A bit. I ended up taking a break for awhile from CL and Elisp, to look into Racket (We ended up getting a local meetup after Strangeloop and Racketcon, this year) but I've migrated more-or-less back into this spectrum. 2014-11-08T05:22:36Z tadni: Running Lisp close to the metal always interests me though. :^) 2014-11-08T05:22:54Z Oddity joined #lisp 2014-11-08T05:23:04Z faheem_: The README file link here is broken -> http://www.cliki.net/uiop 2014-11-08T05:23:09Z faheem_: Should I report this somewhere? 2014-11-08T05:23:20Z atgreen quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2014-11-08T05:24:05Z beach: Fare might be interested. 2014-11-08T05:24:15Z beach: Or you can fix it yourself. 2014-11-08T05:24:36Z innertracks quit (Quit: innertracks) 2014-11-08T05:25:04Z tadni: Right now, I am more interested in packing Emacs, Stumpwm, and Lispkit in a unified DE of some sort. 2014-11-08T05:26:42Z beach: Remind me what Lispkit is. Isn't there an unfortunate name clash with some old Lisp dialect? 2014-11-08T05:27:12Z tadni: beach: It's a webkit based browser, similar to conkeror -- but in CL, not JS. 2014-11-08T05:27:36Z drewc joined #lisp 2014-11-08T05:27:39Z beach: I see. Someone should rename it. 2014-11-08T05:27:53Z tadni: someone: Get on it! 2014-11-08T05:28:12Z tadni: beach: Any suggestions, to/for something better? 2014-11-08T05:28:37Z beach: That's one of the hardest parts of this "job"; coming up with good names. 2014-11-08T05:29:14Z tadni: Well, Stumpwm is a horrid name. I still use it. 2014-11-08T05:29:15Z beach: I try to choose something with "cl" in it, and something that does not come up much when I Google for it. Small misspellings will do that. 2014-11-08T05:29:24Z tadni: Does anyone still use the classical "Lispkit"? 2014-11-08T05:29:54Z beach: Maybe not, but that's what's shown by the Google search engine. 2014-11-08T05:30:33Z tadni: beach: Well, it's also pretty new and no-one uses it regularly right now ... so, I'm guessing this will get better with time. 2014-11-08T05:31:45Z tadni: I don't know, if it was me, I'd be trying to team up with Stumpwm and start to form some sort of unified enviroment like said aptly mentioned DE. 2014-11-08T05:31:53Z ered quit (Quit: Leaving) 2014-11-08T05:32:07Z tadni: At that point, you'd just call it DE-Name Webbrowser, or something. :^P 2014-11-08T05:32:21Z huza joined #lisp 2014-11-08T05:33:13Z beach: Am I understanding you right that you intend to use the web server for the interface of the DE? 2014-11-08T05:33:24Z effy quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2014-11-08T05:34:00Z beach: ... sort of like an HTML-based SLIME? 2014-11-08T05:34:48Z tadni: beach: It's not a webserver, it's a webbrowser. But no that's a bit nuts what you are interpreting, I would just want to package Emacs, Stumpwm, Lispkit, etc, into an easily grabbable environment. 2014-11-08T05:35:02Z beach: Oh, my bad. Sorry. 2014-11-08T05:35:40Z tadni: That's by no means the ideal solution, but having some of these bigger projects working more closely together to provide a unifiedish environment would be. 2014-11-08T05:35:50Z Jessin joined #lisp 2014-11-08T05:37:05Z tadni: I mean, unless someone is crazy enough to write a wayland compositor and too with it a graphical toolkit and set a Interface Design Guidelines, or something -- it's bound to be just a roughly hacked together thing. 2014-11-08T05:38:01Z tadni: There would be the implication that Emacs would be mostly ported to CL at that point, or Guilemacs picks up some steam and this is done via upstream GNU. 2014-11-08T05:38:01Z cmack``` quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2014-11-08T05:38:31Z Jesin quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2014-11-08T05:38:35Z tadni: The latter, being somewhat possible, as their seems to be some similar aspiration (but with Guile) on that side of the fence. 2014-11-08T05:39:10Z tadni: there seems* 2014-11-08T05:40:23Z tadni: That being said, a LOT more tools are in CLs favor right now. 2014-11-08T05:41:07Z tadni: Outside of some of the lower-levelish stuff, like a system-init and a package manager as GNU Distro provides via Guile. 2014-11-08T05:41:56Z beach: How fast is Guile code these days? 2014-11-08T05:42:08Z beach: Is it still an interpreter? 2014-11-08T05:42:22Z miql joined #lisp 2014-11-08T05:42:26Z tadni: beach: Um, I think wingo put up a speed test somewhat recently. 2014-11-08T05:43:08Z cy quit (Quit: :q!) 2014-11-08T05:43:14Z tadni: beach: It defaults to compiled, now. 2014-11-08T05:43:34Z tadni: There's been MAJOR structural changes since 2.x like two years ago. 2014-11-08T05:43:35Z beach: What does it compile to? Native code? 2014-11-08T05:43:50Z Indecipherable joined #lisp 2014-11-08T05:44:14Z tadni is brainfarting. I want to say it compiles to *.o ... but that may not be right...? 2014-11-08T05:44:16Z PuercoPop: It has a VM 2014-11-08T05:44:37Z PuercoPop: but afaik it does not generate native code yet 2014-11-08T05:44:42Z ered joined #lisp 2014-11-08T05:45:30Z tadni is way too tired/lazy to look that up right now... 2014-11-08T05:46:18Z bullone quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) 2014-11-08T05:46:31Z tadni: Oh, *.go 2014-11-08T05:46:54Z miql quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2014-11-08T05:46:58Z beach: As I recall, in the past, RMS did not want it to generate native code, because he wants GCC to be the only package to deal with machine descriptions. 2014-11-08T05:47:01Z tadni: I'm guessing it's guile output or something similar -- which yeah, follows in-step with the notion of a WM. 2014-11-08T05:47:30Z tadni: Oh yeah, yeah, it's coming back to me. It's certainly a VM. 2014-11-08T05:47:31Z Bicyclidine quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2014-11-08T05:47:44Z beach: Like byte-codes? 2014-11-08T05:48:36Z beach: Never mind. I found the info. 2014-11-08T05:48:38Z tadni: Forced myself not to be lazy. "With version 2.0, the project successfully transitioned to a "compiler tower" approach, allowing the definition of compilers from one language to another, typically from a higher-level one to a lower-level intermediate representation, and eventually virtual machine bytecode or native machine code." 2014-11-08T05:48:44Z tadni: Wikipedia 2014-11-08T05:51:33Z PuercoPop: beach: yeah bytecode, although they just went from a stack VM to a Register-based VM 2014-11-08T05:51:41Z PuercoPop: from wingolog posts 2014-11-08T05:51:48Z Indecipherable left #lisp 2014-11-08T05:51:54Z tadni: I think GNU Guix and which that came with it's development GNU Dmd's revival and the coming of the official GNU Distro -- that's the only real interest I have in Scheme. 2014-11-08T05:52:08Z tadni: But that software stack does have a BIG appeal for me. 2014-11-08T05:54:22Z huza quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2014-11-08T05:55:36Z tadni: I don't know, time will tell, but my allegiance right now is certainly leaning towards the CL side of things as-is via my current setup on Fedora. 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Let me know if there are any remarks or suggestions. 2014-11-08T10:30:56Z stassats: do we really need to perpetuate the X11 hegemony? 2014-11-08T10:30:56Z minion: stassats, memo from pjb: clisp is a Common Lisp implementation that has a compiler and an interpreter. It is not an interpreter. 2014-11-08T10:30:56Z minion: stassats, memo from pjb: good resources for Common Lisp are: http://www.cliki.net/ 2014-11-08T10:31:48Z beach: stassats: I don't feel we have a choice right now. Do you? 2014-11-08T10:32:35Z stassats: we do, it's a lisp operating system 2014-11-08T10:32:51Z beach: Yeah, OK, I see what you mean. 2014-11-08T10:33:22Z stassats: and it's not happening "right now" anyway 2014-11-08T10:33:33Z beach: True. 2014-11-08T10:33:36Z jtza8 joined #lisp 2014-11-08T10:34:35Z beach: Though, it's just a list of projects. The LispOS thing is mostly to give some structure to the list of projects. But I get your point. 2014-11-08T10:34:47Z prxq joined #lisp 2014-11-08T10:35:29Z stassats: if the point is to get away from the cruft of the existing systems 2014-11-08T10:37:17Z beach: I'll think of a better project. 2014-11-08T10:37:31Z stassats: an mp3 player 2014-11-08T10:37:58Z stassats: meaning, an mp3 to pcm decoder 2014-11-08T10:38:34Z beach: Sure. 2014-11-08T10:40:22Z jtza8 quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2014-11-08T10:40:24Z beach: Are the MP3 specs available now? 2014-11-08T10:40:38Z stassats: well, people implemented free mp3 decoders somehow 2014-11-08T10:40:44Z stassats: but there's always vorbis 2014-11-08T10:41:11Z beach: That's what I use myself. 2014-11-08T10:41:23Z miql joined #lisp 2014-11-08T10:41:43Z stassats: mp3 feels more useful 2014-11-08T10:41:57Z stassats: and if you can implement one, the other will feel like a breeze 2014-11-08T10:42:13Z beach: Heh, probably so, yes. 2014-11-08T10:42:15Z stassats: then, an h.264 or h.265 decoder 2014-11-08T10:42:49Z shka 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stassats: if you can, then nobody will ever dare to say that lisp is a slow language 2014-11-08T10:47:52Z beach: Oh, they'll find a way. 2014-11-08T10:48:04Z stassats: i don't think you can encode h.265 in real time in C nowadays 2014-11-08T10:48:23Z beach: Interesting. 2014-11-08T10:48:51Z yuikov quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-11-08T10:48:53Z prxq: beach: fourier would be the starting point 2014-11-08T10:49:23Z stassats: but i guess once you're familiar with the multimedia stuff it becomes progressively easier 2014-11-08T10:49:34Z beach: prxq: I personally know how to do that, but then, I didn't make this list of projects for myself. 2014-11-08T10:50:55Z prxq: i was answering to "I suppose there is some Fourier stuff in there" 2014-11-08T10:51:07Z beach: Oh, I see. 2014-11-08T10:54:45Z edgar-rft quit (Quit: mental process closed because lifetime corrupted) 2014-11-08T10:55:48Z stassats: maybe start with simpler stuff, like png encoder, jpeg encoder, etc. 2014-11-08T10:56:00Z stassats: i think we have decoders already, albeit slower than possible 2014-11-08T10:56:38Z stassats: and probably a png encoder too 2014-11-08T10:57:19Z stassats: cl-jpeg can encode too, oh well 2014-11-08T10:58:36Z mtakkman joined #lisp 2014-11-08T11:03:18Z zickzackv joined #lisp 2014-11-08T11:04:51Z MoALTz quit (Quit: Leaving) 2014-11-08T11:06:04Z DGASAU quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2014-11-08T11:07:43Z Shinmera: I should write a library for OpenRaster 2014-11-08T11:07:43Z minion: Shinmera, memo from jasom: QURI can parse the parameters with a single function (quri.decode:url-decode-params) 2014-11-08T11:08:34Z miql joined #lisp 2014-11-08T11:09:20Z beach: Good idea! 2014-11-08T11:09:56Z Shinmera: Well, I'll get to it some day anyway as it's part of my "required features" list for Parasol. 2014-11-08T11:10:16Z stassats: i should try building clasp again 2014-11-08T11:10:38Z corni joined #lisp 2014-11-08T11:10:51Z loz joined #lisp 2014-11-08T11:11:03Z loz: hi guys, what do you think about rebol? 2014-11-08T11:11:27Z stassats: should we? 2014-11-08T11:11:28Z ndrei quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2014-11-08T11:11:55Z Karl_Dscc joined #lisp 2014-11-08T11:11:59Z beach: It is proprietary, right? 2014-11-08T11:12:01Z loz: i think so, rebol took some ideas from lisp 2014-11-08T11:12:20Z loz: beach: afaik its open from ~2012 2014-11-08T11:12:35Z beach: I see. 2014-11-08T11:12:45Z stassats: well, common lisp has a lot of ideas from lisp, why should we look elsewhere? 2014-11-08T11:12:48Z loz: and one of its core 'features' is dsl creation 2014-11-08T11:13:16Z DGASAU joined #lisp 2014-11-08T11:13:19Z miql quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2014-11-08T11:13:34Z Shinmera: pshaw, optical fibre is the thing nowadays. 2014-11-08T11:14:07Z loz: stassats: btw rebol has cross platform gui :P 2014-11-08T11:14:15Z stassats: so? 2014-11-08T11:14:33Z loz: and common lisp doesn't 2014-11-08T11:14:39Z stassats: false 2014-11-08T11:14:54Z Shinmera: loz: Let me tell you about a thing called Java... 2014-11-08T11:15:16Z beach: One should not confuse a standard with a single-implementation language. 2014-11-08T11:15:17Z loz: Shinmera: rebol doesn't have 300mb runtime 2014-11-08T11:15:53Z dilated_dinosaur quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2014-11-08T11:15:55Z stassats: maybe you should advocate rebol in #rebol, not in #lisp 2014-11-08T11:16:26Z loz: #rebol has only one guy there 2014-11-08T11:16:32Z loz: its not so intresting 2014-11-08T11:16:36Z Shinmera: Speaks volumes imo 2014-11-08T11:16:59Z loz: somebody here should have some thoughts about rebol for sure 2014-11-08T11:17:23Z stassats: it is off-topic, no matter what thoughts people have 2014-11-08T11:17:42Z pt1 quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-11-08T11:18:37Z loz: so you don't think there can be a language more powerful than common lisp?) 2014-11-08T11:19:00Z stassats: yep 2014-11-08T11:19:17Z loz: did you hear about blub? 2014-11-08T11:19:27Z zacharias quit (Ping timeout: 265 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I am wondering why, and what to do to fix it. 2014-11-08T14:00:59Z stassats: because it's define in the same .asd file? 2014-11-08T14:01:05Z beach: Quicklisp also does not install the system that mcclim-truetype depends on, i.e., cl-vectors and zbp-ttf. 2014-11-08T14:01:35Z beach: stassats: No, different .asd file, but it's located in a subdirectory. 2014-11-08T14:02:01Z malbertife joined #lisp 2014-11-08T14:02:28Z mrSpec quit (Read error: No route to host) 2014-11-08T14:03:57Z sroh quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-11-08T14:04:04Z sroh joined #lisp 2014-11-08T14:04:28Z dagnachew joined #lisp 2014-11-08T14:04:41Z pt1 joined #lisp 2014-11-08T14:05:17Z resttime joined #lisp 2014-11-08T14:05:40Z beach: Xach: No rush. I can wait until we are both here. 2014-11-08T14:06:52Z stardiviner quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2014-11-08T14:07:21Z kuimacro joined #lisp 2014-11-08T14:08:16Z zickzackv quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2014-11-08T14:08:28Z sword quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-11-08T14:08:42Z sword joined #lisp 2014-11-08T14:10:03Z sroh quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-11-08T14:10:12Z sroh joined #lisp 2014-11-08T14:12:59Z yuikov quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-11-08T14:13:25Z yuikov joined #lisp 2014-11-08T14:14:14Z ale4L3 joined #lisp 2014-11-08T14:14:29Z ale4L3 quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2014-11-08T14:14:50Z ale4L3 joined #lisp 2014-11-08T14:17:29Z mrSpec joined #lisp 2014-11-08T14:17:49Z yuikov quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2014-11-08T14:18:34Z zeebrah joined #lisp 2014-11-08T14:19:03Z miql joined #lisp 2014-11-08T14:20:09Z ale4L3 quit (Quit: Leaving) 2014-11-08T14:20:29Z ale4L3 joined #lisp 2014-11-08T14:22:01Z ale4L3 quit (Client Quit) 2014-11-08T14:22:31Z ndrei joined #lisp 2014-11-08T14:23:21Z tesuji joined #lisp 2014-11-08T14:23:34Z miql quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2014-11-08T14:27:23Z Xach: beach: It is because it does not build for me 2014-11-08T14:27:31Z Xach: beach: Component CLIM-CLX not found 2014-11-08T14:28:01Z beach: Hmm. 2014-11-08T14:28:07Z beach: I don't get that error. 2014-11-08T14:28:37Z Xach: Where is CLIM-CLX defined? 2014-11-08T14:28:49Z beach: Hold on... 2014-11-08T14:28:51Z Xach: Is it in clim-clx.asd, or somewhere else? 2014-11-08T14:29:36Z beach: mcclim.asd 2014-11-08T14:30:33Z beach: This is strange though. I can build mcclim, and I can run the demos, and I don't get the clim-clx problem. I did this from a fresh user account. 2014-11-08T14:30:35Z Xach: beach: it looks to me like my system is trying to find clim-clx before it loads mcclim.asd 2014-11-08T14:30:58Z beach: It is scary that we don't get the same error. 2014-11-08T14:31:08Z Xach: beach: which seems reasonable, as clim-clx is the first element in the :depends-on list of mcclim-truetype 2014-11-08T14:31:24Z Xach: I will try reordering to see if that makes any difference. 2014-11-08T14:31:54Z Xach: beach: so if you start from a fresh system with mcclim systems in your asdf source registry, (asdf:load-system "mcclim-truetype") signals no error? 2014-11-08T14:32:03Z Lowl3v3l quit (Quit: Leaving) 2014-11-08T14:32:11Z beach: Yes it does. 2014-11-08T14:32:20Z beach: Maybe I am misremembering. I was under the impression that it couldn't find the mcclim-truetype system. 2014-11-08T14:32:20Z Xach: May I see a transcript? 2014-11-08T14:32:57Z beach: I shall have to do that offline. This Ubuntu installation is so screwy, and it messes everything up when I change the user. 2014-11-08T14:33:07Z beach: I'll do it later, and give you a full report. 2014-11-08T14:33:58Z Xach: beach: On my system, if mcclim preceds clim-clx in :depends-on, it builds fine. clim-clx may also be omitted. 2014-11-08T14:34:21Z Xach: beach: depending on systems that cannot be found via find-system from a fresh start seems like trouble to me. 2014-11-08T14:34:39Z beach: And find-system relies on the file name? 2014-11-08T14:34:43Z Xach: yes. 2014-11-08T14:34:46Z beach: Got it. 2014-11-08T14:35:04Z beach: With this information, I'll try again and see what i get. 2014-11-08T14:35:23Z beach: Would it be a better idea to have a separate file for each system? 2014-11-08T14:35:32Z beach: ... where the names correspond? 2014-11-08T14:36:05Z Xach: I think that is a more reliable way to arrange systems. 2014-11-08T14:36:24Z beach: Good, I'll do that. But whether it is in a subdirectory doesn't matter? 2014-11-08T14:37:27Z Xach: Not to Quicklisp. 2014-11-08T14:37:37Z beach: Excellent! Thanks. 2014-11-08T14:37:38Z superjudge quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2014-11-08T14:37:38Z d4gg4d____ quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2014-11-08T14:37:43Z Xach: Several mcclim systems fail to build for quicklisp. I'll post a log. 2014-11-08T14:38:02Z beach: Post? On GitHub? 2014-11-08T14:38:27Z d4gg4d_____ joined #lisp 2014-11-08T14:38:52Z Xach: http://report.quicklisp.org/mcclim/2014-11-08/failtail.txt 2014-11-08T14:38:59Z Xach: see lines prefixed with FAIL: for individual logs 2014-11-08T14:39:49Z beach: Got it. Thanks again. 2014-11-08T14:40:21Z superjudge joined #lisp 2014-11-08T14:40:31Z jtza8 joined #lisp 2014-11-08T14:40:48Z Ethan- quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2014-11-08T14:40:51Z jlarocco joined #lisp 2014-11-08T14:42:04Z aksatac quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2014-11-08T14:43:41Z aksatac joined #lisp 2014-11-08T14:46:06Z miql joined #lisp 2014-11-08T14:46:12Z Xach: some are to be expected, because for example i don't build with CCL 2014-11-08T14:47:07Z beach: Yeah, OK. 2014-11-08T14:48:12Z beach: Also, installing McCLIM with Quicklisp did not install cl-vectors and zbp-ttf. 2014-11-08T14:48:16Z beach: Is that for the same reason? 2014-11-08T14:48:31Z beach: Those are dependent on by mcclim-truetype. 2014-11-08T14:49:04Z beach: depended on 2014-11-08T14:50:34Z mtakkman quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-11-08T14:50:39Z miql quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2014-11-08T14:51:30Z stassats: so, it's the same .asd file thing after all 2014-11-08T14:51:33Z Xach: beach: Do you mean that (ql:quickload "mcclim-truetype") does not fetch the required systems? 2014-11-08T14:51:53Z beach: stassats: mcclim-truetype is a different one, but clim-clx is the same one. 2014-11-08T14:51:58Z stassats: right 2014-11-08T14:52:17Z beach: Xach: No, I mean (ql:quickload "mcclim") doesn't. 2014-11-08T14:53:46Z Xach: beach: does mcclim depend on mcclim-truetype? 2014-11-08T14:53:51Z beach: no 2014-11-08T14:54:05Z beach: I guess that's normal then, and they will be fetched when mcclim-truetype is fetched. 2014-11-08T14:54:22Z Xach: beach: that is the idea. sometimes there are bugs and it does not work. but in general, it should fetch what it needs. 2014-11-08T14:54:47Z beach: I think I got it. Sorry for my ignorance about how Quicklisp works. :( 2014-11-08T14:55:16Z Xach: No problem. If there were docs, and if they were any good, it would be easier to be impatient about it. 2014-11-08T14:55:23Z Xach: Sadly there aren't any. 2014-11-08T14:55:38Z beach: Maybe one day. 2014-11-08T14:57:21Z DrCode quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-11-08T14:57:44Z _d3f quit (Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3) 2014-11-08T14:57:55Z DrCode joined #lisp 2014-11-08T15:00:14Z pnpuff joined #lisp 2014-11-08T15:00:49Z _d3f joined #lisp 2014-11-08T15:02:33Z beach: OK, I think I'll /part and go see what I can find out about all this. 2014-11-08T15:02:36Z beach left #lisp 2014-11-08T15:05:04Z attila_lendvai joined #lisp 2014-11-08T15:07:30Z zygentoma joined #lisp 2014-11-08T15:09:49Z kuimacro quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2014-11-08T15:10:24Z pt1 quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-11-08T15:10:26Z kuimacro joined #lisp 2014-11-08T15:10:34Z mtakkman joined #lisp 2014-11-08T15:13:17Z miql joined #lisp 2014-11-08T15:14:12Z pnpuff left #lisp 2014-11-08T15:14:16Z pnpuff joined #lisp 2014-11-08T15:14:57Z ofosos joined #lisp 2014-11-08T15:15:16Z attila_lendvai quit (Quit: Leaving.) 2014-11-08T15:17:11Z MoALTz_ joined #lisp 2014-11-08T15:18:17Z ofosos_ quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2014-11-08T15:18:26Z miql quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2014-11-08T15:20:55Z MoALTz quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2014-11-08T15:21:29Z s00pcan quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2014-11-08T15:21:42Z attila_lendvai joined #lisp 2014-11-08T15:21:47Z Lowl3v3l joined #lisp 2014-11-08T15:22:06Z Lowl3v3l quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2014-11-08T15:22:27Z Lowl3v3l joined #lisp 2014-11-08T15:24:08Z urandom__ joined #lisp 2014-11-08T15:24:15Z normanrichards quit 2014-11-08T15:24:32Z s00pcan joined #lisp 2014-11-08T15:28:11Z mockturtle joined #lisp 2014-11-08T15:30:02Z cy joined #lisp 2014-11-08T15:31:25Z pnpuff left #lisp 2014-11-08T15:31:43Z bugtroll joined #lisp 2014-11-08T15:32:33Z l3thal: later beach 2014-11-08T15:33:19Z stassats: too late 2014-11-08T15:33:52Z jusss` quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2014-11-08T15:34:16Z beach joined #lisp 2014-11-08T15:34:24Z pt1 joined #lisp 2014-11-08T15:34:26Z attila_lendvai quit (Quit: Leaving.) 2014-11-08T15:35:23Z beach: Xach: I was not misremembering. Here it can't find the system mcclim-truetype: http://metamodular.com/transcript.text 2014-11-08T15:35:49Z cabaire quit (Quit: leaving) 2014-11-08T15:36:39Z wooden quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2014-11-08T15:38:53Z bugtroll quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2014-11-08T15:40:28Z miql joined #lisp 2014-11-08T15:41:01Z bugtroll joined #lisp 2014-11-08T15:41:08Z Jubb quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2014-11-08T15:41:52Z jtza8 quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2014-11-08T15:43:10Z ndrei quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2014-11-08T15:44:53Z shka quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2014-11-08T15:45:24Z miql quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2014-11-08T15:46:27Z jjkola joined #lisp 2014-11-08T15:48:13Z munksgaard joined #lisp 2014-11-08T15:48:42Z jjkola: hi 2014-11-08T15:49:14Z beach: Hello jjkola. 2014-11-08T15:49:38Z mtakkman quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-11-08T15:50:12Z Jubb joined #lisp 2014-11-08T15:52:01Z BitPuffin quit (Quit: See you on the dark side of the moon!) 2014-11-08T15:52:25Z ndrei joined #lisp 2014-11-08T15:55:22Z kuimacro quit (Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de) 2014-11-08T15:55:33Z BitPuffin joined #lisp 2014-11-08T15:57:05Z Riviera quit (K-Lined) 2014-11-08T15:58:00Z shka joined #lisp 2014-11-08T15:59:12Z wglb joined #lisp 2014-11-08T16:06:52Z Xach: beach: that is to be expected. quicklisp does not scan for any asd file. it has a fixed index of known-working system files. 2014-11-08T16:07:40Z miql joined #lisp 2014-11-08T16:12:23Z miql quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2014-11-08T16:19:35Z urandom__ quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 2014-11-08T16:19:53Z s00pcan quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2014-11-08T16:20:06Z jlarocco quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep) 2014-11-08T16:23:42Z mockturtle quit (Quit: mockturtle) 2014-11-08T16:30:00Z zacharias joined #lisp 2014-11-08T16:30:02Z jlarocco joined #lisp 2014-11-08T16:31:34Z spatials joined #lisp 2014-11-08T16:32:00Z beach: Xach: I see. So it is updated manually? 2014-11-08T16:34:50Z miql joined #lisp 2014-11-08T16:35:42Z zickzackv joined #lisp 2014-11-08T16:37:22Z bugtroll quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) 2014-11-08T16:38:02Z zacharias quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2014-11-08T16:39:24Z miql quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2014-11-08T16:40:09Z cabaire joined #lisp 2014-11-08T16:42:03Z pjb: Why nobody mentionned #lispcafe to loz? 2014-11-08T16:42:14Z pjb: loz: you can ask lispers about non Common Lisp stuff in #lispcafe. 2014-11-08T16:43:24Z loz: pjb: ok, thanks) 2014-11-08T16:45:28Z zacts quit (Quit: leaving) 2014-11-08T16:46:55Z innertracks joined #lisp 2014-11-08T16:48:55Z guicho quit (Quit: さようなら) 2014-11-08T16:50:09Z stassats: sending people to #lispcafe is like saying "we don't like you here, go away" 2014-11-08T16:50:17Z vaporatorius quit (Quit: Leaving) 2014-11-08T16:51:13Z chu: Isn't there also ##lisp for "general" lisp questions now? Although, I believe it's a pretty slow channel. 2014-11-08T16:51:34Z wasamasa: chu: yeah, it's not limited to any lisp implementation 2014-11-08T16:51:40Z stassats: what is there to talk about general lisp? 2014-11-08T16:52:14Z chu: I guess that's why it's a slow channel. 2014-11-08T16:52:26Z wasamasa: chu: you're free to strike up a conversation at any time 2014-11-08T16:53:47Z joast quit (Quit: Leaving.) 2014-11-08T16:53:55Z chu: Yeah, I know. I'm not very knowledgeable about the subject(s) though :) 2014-11-08T16:54:51Z theseb joined #lisp 2014-11-08T16:55:13Z theseb: how simulate what ,@ does with other lisp code? 2014-11-08T16:55:25Z stassats: what? 2014-11-08T16:55:26Z theseb: i.e. i want to eval a list and insert its elements 2014-11-08T16:55:35Z theseb: stassats: think macros 2014-11-08T16:55:45Z stassats: ,@ is not about macros 2014-11-08T16:56:12Z theseb: stassats: ok...but possible to eval a list and insert its contents into surrounding list with other lisp code too? 2014-11-08T16:56:44Z stassats: why are you making an accent on evaluation? 2014-11-08T16:56:45Z theseb: stassats: i can't see how to do it except for 1 way i thought of 2014-11-08T16:57:02Z theseb: stassats: what do you mean "accent" ? 2014-11-08T16:57:42Z theseb: stassats: i'm basically implementing lisp if you must know the reason....i'm trying to implement ,@ with other existing lisp functionality 2014-11-08T16:58:07Z stassats: well, if you are implementing a lisp, then you should be able to figure those kinds of things 2014-11-08T16:58:22Z theseb: stassats: well this one i can't 2014-11-08T17:00:08Z stassats: it is trivial, and i'm not going to give you a solution, you need to tell with what part you're having a problem 2014-11-08T17:01:00Z jtza8 joined #lisp 2014-11-08T17:01:35Z theseb: stassats: i'm trying to do it in the tokenizer....i.e. i want to do a search and replace on ,@(....) 2014-11-08T17:02:02Z miql joined #lisp 2014-11-08T17:02:19Z stassats: a tokenizer for lisp? 2014-11-08T17:02:20Z theseb: stassats: e.g. `( ...) 2014-11-08T17:02:28Z cmack``` quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2014-11-08T17:02:32Z theseb: stassats: i know `( ...) basically is equivalent to (list ...) 2014-11-08T17:02:45Z theseb: stassats: i.e. i can do a syntax for syntax replacement 2014-11-08T17:03:20Z theseb: stassats: i can't think of a syntax for syntax replacement when i see ,@(....) inside of `( ....,@(....) ...) 2014-11-08T17:03:22Z mtakkman joined #lisp 2014-11-08T17:03:28Z Riviera__ joined #lisp 2014-11-08T17:03:32Z stassats: do you know what ,@ does? 2014-11-08T17:03:38Z jlarocco quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep) 2014-11-08T17:03:46Z theseb: stassats: yes...it evals the list and injects the values into the surrounding list 2014-11-08T17:03:57Z stassats: it doesn't "eval" anything 2014-11-08T17:04:15Z theseb: stassats: well it doesn't quote the list so that later what i said will happen 2014-11-08T17:04:25Z theseb: when macro gets handled 2014-11-08T17:04:47Z theseb: i'm not so good with the wording but i think i have it in my head right 2014-11-08T17:05:06Z hiroakip quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2014-11-08T17:05:37Z stassats: so, you know how to deal with `(...) then? 2014-11-08T17:05:48Z stassats: and how to deal with `(... ,x ...)? 2014-11-08T17:05:58Z theseb: stassats: yes.....`(...) is just converted to (list ...) as i said above 2014-11-08T17:06:06Z stassats: that's wrong, though 2014-11-08T17:06:19Z theseb: stassats: `( a b ,c) becomes (list 'a 'b c) 2014-11-08T17:06:50Z stassats: ok, so, what would `( a b ,@c) look like? 2014-11-08T17:06:50Z joast joined #lisp 2014-11-08T17:07:05Z miql quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2014-11-08T17:07:24Z theseb: stassats: great question!... (list 'a 'a some-command-i-do-not-know-to-remove-parens) 2014-11-08T17:07:38Z stassats: there's no parenthesis in lists 2014-11-08T17:07:39Z theseb: sorry i mean (list 'a 'b some-command) 2014-11-08T17:07:40Z stassats: it's syntax 2014-11-08T17:07:46Z stassats: you need to think about lists 2014-11-08T17:08:14Z theseb: stassats: the only way i can see to essentially remove the parens is to append/prepend lists together 2014-11-08T17:08:29Z stassats: say, c is (1 2 3), now, and you need to get (a b 1 2 3) 2014-11-08T17:08:34Z stassats: so, how can you do that? 2014-11-08T17:08:35Z theseb: e.g. (a b) + (c) = (a b c) if that makes sense 2014-11-08T17:09:02Z theseb: stassats: you asked the right question..i honestly have no idea...my best idea was what i just said 2014-11-08T17:09:25Z theseb: stassats: oh wait..here's another idea 2014-11-08T17:09:43Z pt1 quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-11-08T17:09:44Z theseb: (... (first c) (second c) (third c)...) 2014-11-08T17:09:50Z theseb: stassats: something like that? 2014-11-08T17:09:55Z stassats: how do you know the length ahead of time? 2014-11-08T17:09:59Z zacharias joined #lisp 2014-11-08T17:10:01Z zacharias quit (Changing host) 2014-11-08T17:10:01Z zacharias joined #lisp 2014-11-08T17:10:16Z zickzackv quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2014-11-08T17:10:25Z theseb: stassats: exactly.. i don't...i'm stumped 2014-11-08T17:10:33Z theseb: i can't think of the perfect solution 2014-11-08T17:10:38Z stassats: you need to go from (A B) and (1 2 3) to (A B 1 2 3) 2014-11-08T17:10:39Z pt1 joined #lisp 2014-11-08T17:10:46Z theseb: stassats: append 2014-11-08T17:11:00Z theseb: (append (A B) (1 2 3) ) iirc 2014-11-08T17:11:05Z theseb: it is called something like append 2014-11-08T17:11:19Z stassats: alright, so, how does that make your ` look now? 2014-11-08T17:11:23Z theseb: basically concatenate the list 2014-11-08T17:11:34Z Octothorpe joined #lisp 2014-11-08T17:11:47Z devon joined #lisp 2014-11-08T17:11:55Z theseb: stassats: `( a b ,@c) -> (append (list a b) (c) ) ? 2014-11-08T17:12:15Z stassats: almost 2014-11-08T17:12:16Z theseb: (append (list 'a 'b) (c) ) 2014-11-08T17:12:27Z stassats: and why are there parenthesis around c? 2014-11-08T17:12:34Z theseb: (append (list a b) c ) 2014-11-08T17:12:43Z theseb: (append (list 'a 'b) c) 2014-11-08T17:12:51Z stassats: ok, now, if you have `(a b ,@c d e)? 2014-11-08T17:13:06Z devon: in CCL> '`( a b ,@c) ==> (LIST* 'A (LIST* 'B C)) 2014-11-08T17:13:10Z Riviera__ is now known as Riviera 2014-11-08T17:13:26Z stassats: devon: we're trying to think here, not to copy something 2014-11-08T17:13:32Z theseb: (append (append (list 'a 'b) c) (list 'd 'e)) ? 2014-11-08T17:14:06Z Bike: you can just pass all three to one append, you don't need the inner one 2014-11-08T17:14:08Z stassats: theseb: (append (list 'a 'b) c (list 'd 'e)) is a bit better 2014-11-08T17:14:18Z stassats: so, it wasn't all that difficult, was it? 2014-11-08T17:14:25Z theseb: stassats: well..... 2014-11-08T17:14:59Z theseb: stassats: i had a similar idea last nite but splitting up the list into pieces and adding them together sounded scary ...plus imagine if you had more than one ,@...then that's even more splits 2014-11-08T17:14:59Z stassats: and a trick for `(a b ,@) is (list* 'a 'b c) 2014-11-08T17:15:01Z jlarocco joined #lisp 2014-11-08T17:15:11Z cabaire quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2014-11-08T17:15:44Z zacharias quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2014-11-08T17:16:53Z sroh quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2014-11-08T17:17:49Z theseb: stassats: thanks 2014-11-08T17:18:16Z yuikov joined #lisp 2014-11-08T17:18:22Z stassats: how did you expect the inner list to affect the outer list? 2014-11-08T17:19:10Z zickzackv joined #lisp 2014-11-08T17:19:16Z theseb: stassats: not sure what you mean...i just expected to do the equivalent of dropping the parens (even though you don't like talking about parens) 2014-11-08T17:19:41Z kanru` quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2014-11-08T17:19:52Z theseb: ( i don't know how else to say it w/o resorting to parens syntax jargon) 2014-11-08T17:20:17Z stassats: (list 'a 'b some-command-i-to-remove-parens 'c 'd) how do you expect that to work? 2014-11-08T17:20:36Z stassats: that command should affect the outer expression 2014-11-08T17:20:46Z theseb: stassats: that's just it.....i couldn't think of any other way except basically what you suggested 2014-11-08T17:20:59Z stassats: now, of course you could add it to your parser, but then you would ask, hey, how to implement that command? 2014-11-08T17:21:31Z theseb: stassats: i'm still not so excited about splitting up the outer list into pieces i need to recombining the pieces..just sounds like a bookeeping nightmare 2014-11-08T17:21:35Z stassats: ,@ is that command, so, you have to implement it somehow, and appending is the only way 2014-11-08T17:21:56Z theseb: ok 2014-11-08T17:22:13Z theseb: i guess mainly i just wanted verification the gurus in here didn't have a clever alternative way 2014-11-08T17:22:29Z theseb: really i'm humble enough to be open to fact someone else may have a brilliant easier alternative to stuff 2014-11-08T17:23:26Z stassats: then you should have started with: "i transform `(a ,@c b) into (append `(a) c `(b)), is there a better way" 2014-11-08T17:23:52Z stassats: instead of "i don't know how to do it" 2014-11-08T17:24:08Z theseb: stassats: i guess i wasn't so confident my idea had any chance of being the right way 2014-11-08T17:24:22Z theseb: i should have given my idea a chance 2014-11-08T17:26:03Z theseb: stassats: by the way.... (append `(a) c `(b)) is useful....that may be a cleaner way in general to do all `(...) replacements 2014-11-08T17:27:50Z theseb: err actually....`(a b c d ,e ,f ,@g) -> (append (list 'a) (list 'b) (list 'c) (list 'd) (list e) (list f) g) 2014-11-08T17:28:04Z theseb: i like it 2014-11-08T17:28:40Z s00pcan joined #lisp 2014-11-08T17:29:16Z miql joined #lisp 2014-11-08T17:30:12Z zickzackv quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2014-11-08T17:30:15Z karswell` joined #lisp 2014-11-08T17:30:35Z jlarocco quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep) 2014-11-08T17:34:09Z miql quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2014-11-08T17:35:44Z slyrus joined #lisp 2014-11-08T17:37:40Z zickzackv joined #lisp 2014-11-08T17:37:55Z pt1 quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2014-11-08T17:42:14Z theseb quit (Quit: Leaving) 2014-11-08T17:44:54Z MutSbeta joined #lisp 2014-11-08T17:46:43Z pt1_ joined #lisp 2014-11-08T17:51:30Z pt1_ quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2014-11-08T17:52:22Z malbertife quit (Quit: Leaving) 2014-11-08T17:52:38Z MutSbeta quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-11-08T17:53:19Z jtza8 quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2014-11-08T17:55:34Z ellis-a joined #lisp 2014-11-08T17:55:41Z devon: What's your favorite sexp<-->json tool? 2014-11-08T17:56:00Z stassats: there's one in the topic 2014-11-08T17:56:20Z H4ns: it is not really a sexp<-->json tool though 2014-11-08T17:56:23Z miql joined #lisp 2014-11-08T17:56:40Z karswell` is now known as karswell 2014-11-08T17:56:57Z heddwch quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2014-11-08T17:58:46Z heddwch joined #lisp 2014-11-08T17:58:49Z hitecnologys: devon: I don't want it to look like advertisement, but you might want to check out my survey of JSON parsing/encoding libraries for CL. 2014-11-08T18:01:04Z miql quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2014-11-08T18:01:35Z H4ns: why not just share the friggin url? 2014-11-08T18:03:29Z hitecnologys: I don't want to annoy people: http://hitecnologys.org/1/. Apparently, it worked in the opposite way. 2014-11-08T18:03:31Z drewc: devon: Depending on what exactly you mean by that, mine is DEFGENERIC with :METHODs and/or DEFMETHODs. 2014-11-08T18:05:28Z stassats: hitecnologys: that's one bad URL 2014-11-08T18:05:59Z H4ns: hitecnologys: i find it more annoying to re-state that you don't want to annoy again and again. post the url, done. 2014-11-08T18:06:05Z hitecnologys: stassats: yes, I know. I put it there a long time ago and now I dislike it too. When Clog is ready, I'll put permanent redirect there. 2014-11-08T18:06:26Z hitecnologys: H4ns: got it, will do the next time. 2014-11-08T18:07:31Z hitecnologys: s/the // 2014-11-08T18:10:00Z paul0 joined #lisp 2014-11-08T18:10:54Z drewc: ("foo" . "bar") => {"type":"cons","car": "foo","cdr":"bar"} <--- the start of sexp->json? 2014-11-08T18:12:14Z zickzackv quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2014-11-08T18:13:12Z sroh joined #lisp 2014-11-08T18:14:01Z spatials quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2014-11-08T18:17:23Z ellis-a quit (Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1) 2014-11-08T18:17:37Z sroh quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2014-11-08T18:17:47Z tbarletz quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2014-11-08T18:18:16Z Ven joined #lisp 2014-11-08T18:19:38Z tbarletz joined #lisp 2014-11-08T18:20:45Z spatials joined #lisp 2014-11-08T18:21:21Z Ven quit (Client Quit) 2014-11-08T18:22:16Z oGMo: drewc: cl-json and some others translate to json and back nicely 2014-11-08T18:23:33Z miql joined #lisp 2014-11-08T18:24:50Z drewc: oGMo: a lisp value and a sexp are different things. I use ST-JSON personally most of the time, but it is NOT a sexp->json utility. It does json->sexp because of the readably printed JSO struct, but the other way is difficult to define let alone do. 2014-11-08T18:25:35Z juiko joined #lisp 2014-11-08T18:26:21Z oGMo: drewc: there is not parity with json, so of course you need to define some encoding 2014-11-08T18:27:15Z oGMo: but the question is what's actually useful and what you need, not uselessly mapping lisp to json-as-markup 2014-11-08T18:27:32Z drewc: and if we include CL syntax in our definition of sexps, #1=(|we have an issue here amoung other places '' "" () | . #1#) 2014-11-08T18:27:59Z drewc: oGMo: hence my answer to devon. Makes sense? 2014-11-08T18:28:02Z oGMo: tbh if you don't have some existing json mapping you use/need---i.e. you're having to define something---then i wouldn't use json in the first place 2014-11-08T18:28:36Z miql quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2014-11-08T18:28:41Z oGMo: drewc: well, he did ask your _favorite_ ;) 2014-11-08T18:28:49Z drewc: yup 2014-11-08T18:32:46Z drewc: oGMo: what I generally do is (defun sexp->json (sexp) (jso "sexp" (princ-to-string sexp))) to start off with. But strangely enough, that has issues, so DEFGENERIC helps. So, my favourite is DEFGENERIC, though I have started to use ETYPECASE a lot more because I prefer the unextendable form in some cases. 2014-11-08T18:33:40Z cmack``` joined #lisp 2014-11-08T18:33:58Z drewc: now, the other way, ST-JSON is generally what I use... so perhaps I should have mentioned to devon. 2014-11-08T18:34:38Z defaultxr joined #lisp 2014-11-08T18:35:30Z edgar-rft quit (Quit: memory access closed into eternal confusion) 2014-11-08T18:36:22Z drewc: devon: a JSON encoded string ->ST-JSON<---a cl value--->DEFGENERIC->a JSO object 2014-11-08T18:36:50Z devon: hitecnologys,drewc: Thanks! Only ST-JSON prints readably and comes out equal after a round trip, it seems. 2014-11-08T18:38:52Z cmack``` quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2014-11-08T18:38:52Z drewc: devon: yes, and it is really just an ALIST with a STRUCT wrapper. For 99% of my use cases, the ALIST is plenty fast and I prefer the round trip for a number of reasons related to production thingies. 2014-11-08T18:39:01Z MouldyOldBones joined #lisp 2014-11-08T18:39:42Z drewc: devon: but keep in mind that not all lisp values are expressible symbolically :) 2014-11-08T18:39:51Z zickzackv joined #lisp 2014-11-08T18:41:27Z ellis-a joined #lisp 2014-11-08T18:47:59Z Grue`: wtf is going on? (sb-ext:quit) => ; Evaluation aborted on NIL. 2014-11-08T18:50:11Z ggole quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2014-11-08T18:50:37Z ellis-a quit (Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1) 2014-11-08T18:50:45Z miql joined #lisp 2014-11-08T18:50:46Z stassats: it exits the thread 2014-11-08T18:53:21Z drewc: Grue`: The design of sb-ext:quit proved too broken to fix in a backwards-compatible manner, so it had to be deprecated and replaced. 2014-11-08T18:54:16Z impulse quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2014-11-08T18:54:47Z Grue`: hmm, I always used quit, didn't even know it was deprecated 2014-11-08T18:54:59Z drewc: Grue`: I can suggest the code for legacy SBCLs explained on http://sbcl.org/manual/index.html#List-of-Deprecated-Interfaces 2014-11-08T18:55:32Z drewc: Or, if you are using modern SBCLs read the warning/look at the error. 2014-11-08T18:55:34Z miql quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2014-11-08T18:55:52Z impulse joined #lisp 2014-11-08T18:57:18Z zickzackv quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2014-11-08T18:57:25Z Grue`: no warning here actually, it just quits 2014-11-08T18:57:54Z drewc: Grue`: and. for what it is worth, I have been using SBCL since the dawn of SBCL time... but I always read the release notes, and try to use a modern version. 2014-11-08T18:58:28Z stassats: ... good for you? 2014-11-08T18:58:48Z drewc: Grue`: if it quits without a warning you are using an old SBCL ... I think 3 years or more IIRC 2014-11-08T18:58:54Z stassats: no 2014-11-08T18:58:54Z Grue`: 1.2.4 2014-11-08T18:59:34Z Grue`: no warning both on windows and ubuntu 2014-11-08T19:00:07Z drewc: stassats: no? I remember having the issue in early 2012/late 2011 ... I could be wrong... my mind is something not so great at remembering that particular time. 2014-11-08T19:01:27Z drewc: ah ... and the docs I read says it all 2014-11-08T19:01:30Z drewc: "Deprecated in favor of sb-ext:exit as of 1.0.56.55 in May 2012. Expected to move into late deprecation in May 2013." 2014-11-08T19:01:34Z drewc: my bad. 2014-11-08T19:02:23Z heddwch quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2014-11-08T19:03:52Z heddwch joined #lisp 2014-11-08T19:06:54Z mdibound joined #lisp 2014-11-08T19:08:13Z beach left #lisp 2014-11-08T19:08:22Z zickzackv joined #lisp 2014-11-08T19:09:56Z wooden joined #lisp 2014-11-08T19:10:01Z wooden quit (Changing host) 2014-11-08T19:10:01Z wooden joined #lisp 2014-11-08T19:13:20Z sroh joined #lisp 2014-11-08T19:14:46Z mtakkman quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2014-11-08T19:15:04Z zickzackv quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2014-11-08T19:15:49Z zickzackv joined #lisp 2014-11-08T19:15:49Z mdibound left #lisp 2014-11-08T19:17:53Z sroh quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2014-11-08T19:17:59Z miql joined #lisp 2014-11-08T19:22:55Z miql quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2014-11-08T19:24:36Z zickzackv quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2014-11-08T19:24:46Z cabaire joined #lisp 2014-11-08T19:25:12Z Octothorpe quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2014-11-08T19:27:12Z bicyclethief joined #lisp 2014-11-08T19:27:53Z lifenoodles quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2014-11-08T19:30:33Z oleo__ joined #lisp 2014-11-08T19:31:07Z oleo is now known as Guest78785 2014-11-08T19:31:21Z zickzackv joined #lisp 2014-11-08T19:31:53Z Guest78785 quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2014-11-08T19:33:23Z sroh joined #lisp 2014-11-08T19:34:49Z lifenoodles joined #lisp 2014-11-08T19:35:24Z jjkola quit (Quit: Leaving) 2014-11-08T19:36:00Z pegu joined #lisp 2014-11-08T19:39:46Z s00pcan quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-11-08T19:41:40Z theotherstupidgu joined #lisp 2014-11-08T19:44:21Z spatials quit (Quit: leaving) 2014-11-08T19:45:07Z miql joined #lisp 2014-11-08T19:49:44Z jtza8 joined #lisp 2014-11-08T19:50:17Z miql quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2014-11-08T19:51:02Z zickzackv quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2014-11-08T19:51:23Z denisrum joined #lisp 2014-11-08T19:51:49Z sroh quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2014-11-08T19:54:23Z Octothorpe joined #lisp 2014-11-08T19:55:53Z goglosh joined #lisp 2014-11-08T19:57:40Z goglosh: hey guys, I have a problem 2014-11-08T19:57:53Z corni quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2014-11-08T19:58:05Z cabaire quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2014-11-08T19:58:34Z goglosh: (apply ((if (= 0 0) #'+ #'-) 1 1)) 2014-11-08T19:58:59Z goglosh: error: (if (= 0 0) #'+ #'-) is not a function name 2014-11-08T19:59:02Z goglosh: what do? 2014-11-08T19:59:26Z chu: Sorry for this but (apply #'+ 1 1) :p 2014-11-08T19:59:50Z Bike: goglosh: (funcall (if (= 0 0) #'+ #'-) 1 1) 2014-11-08T20:00:57Z LiamH joined #lisp 2014-11-08T20:01:14Z goglosh: oh thanks 2014-11-08T20:03:02Z ofosos_ joined #lisp 2014-11-08T20:03:23Z tesuji quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2014-11-08T20:05:03Z goglosh: how xc 2014-11-08T20:05:38Z Longlius quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-11-08T20:05:44Z goglosh: sorry, how can I make a function return another function so, for example I do ((a)), so (a) => b and (b) => c ? 2014-11-08T20:05:57Z stassats: (funcall (a)) 2014-11-08T20:06:21Z ofosos quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2014-11-08T20:06:28Z goglosh: oh 2014-11-08T20:06:59Z goglosh: caused stack overflow 2014-11-08T20:07:18Z goglosh: Oh just had to quote it heheh, thanks 2014-11-08T20:09:36Z goglosh: damn still not working, (b) does (funcall 'a) and it works but ((b)) returns an error 2014-11-08T20:09:53Z Bike: (funcall (b)) 2014-11-08T20:10:39Z goglosh: thanks 2014-11-08T20:12:18Z miql joined #lisp 2014-11-08T20:14:36Z Nizumzen joined #lisp 2014-11-08T20:17:01Z miql quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2014-11-08T20:19:53Z zickzackv joined #lisp 2014-11-08T20:22:09Z denisrum quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2014-11-08T20:26:34Z zickzackv quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2014-11-08T20:28:23Z jjkola joined #lisp 2014-11-08T20:33:34Z hiroakip joined #lisp 2014-11-08T20:33:54Z dagnachew quit (Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1) 2014-11-08T20:36:52Z paule32 joined #lisp 2014-11-08T20:36:58Z matko joined #lisp 2014-11-08T20:38:34Z arenz joined #lisp 2014-11-08T20:38:51Z ehu joined #lisp 2014-11-08T20:39:23Z dagnachew joined #lisp 2014-11-08T20:39:31Z miql joined #lisp 2014-11-08T20:40:50Z s00pcan joined #lisp 2014-11-08T20:42:12Z cabaire joined #lisp 2014-11-08T20:44:57Z miql quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2014-11-08T20:44:57Z zeitue quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2014-11-08T20:45:19Z tali713 quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2014-11-08T20:45:38Z Octothorpe quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2014-11-08T20:45:42Z theotherstupidgu quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2014-11-08T20:46:37Z theotherstupidgu joined #lisp 2014-11-08T20:48:47Z MoALTz_ quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2014-11-08T20:50:54Z xebd`` is now known as xebd` 2014-11-08T20:51:29Z wooden_ joined #lisp 2014-11-08T20:52:01Z wooden quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2014-11-08T20:53:34Z doh` joined #lisp 2014-11-08T20:53:41Z oleo__ is now known as oleo 2014-11-08T20:54:33Z Shinmera quit (Quit: すぐもどってきます。) 2014-11-08T20:55:02Z Shinmera joined #lisp 2014-11-08T20:56:49Z zeitue joined #lisp 2014-11-08T20:56:51Z Pullphinger quit 2014-11-08T20:57:16Z misv_ joined #lisp 2014-11-08T20:57:32Z misv quit (Quit: leaving) 2014-11-08T20:57:42Z jtza8 quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-11-08T20:57:46Z misv_ is now known as misv 2014-11-08T20:57:57Z Beetny joined #lisp 2014-11-08T21:01:14Z zickzackv joined #lisp 2014-11-08T21:03:38Z vowyer_ joined #lisp 2014-11-08T21:03:58Z goglosh quit (Quit: leaving) 2014-11-08T21:04:59Z joga quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2014-11-08T21:05:06Z joga joined #lisp 2014-11-08T21:05:20Z joga quit (Changing host) 2014-11-08T21:05:21Z joga joined #lisp 2014-11-08T21:06:46Z miql joined #lisp 2014-11-08T21:07:42Z angavrilov quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-11-08T21:11:30Z miql quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2014-11-08T21:11:46Z ehu quit 2014-11-08T21:12:05Z zickzackv quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2014-11-08T21:14:03Z vowyer_: I'm having a bit of a trouble that's eating me. I'm storing a hunchentoot session in Redis. Sessions have a slot session-data which is an alist of (symbol . value). I store that alist flattening the alist and pushing it to redis with (redis:red-hmset). Now when I read it back, I use intern with the upcased string I get back from Redis, and push the values to the alist. But for some reasons I can't understand, getting the newly added cons with 2014-11-08T21:14:03Z vowyer_: assoc doesn't work, it seems the symbols are not EQ. 2014-11-08T21:15:04Z stassats: wrong package 2014-11-08T21:15:47Z vowyer_: Ha 2014-11-08T21:16:01Z ehu joined #lisp 2014-11-08T21:16:06Z stassats: you have to intern into the same package 2014-11-08T21:16:14Z stassats: i usually use (intern x #.*package*) 2014-11-08T21:16:52Z lemoinem quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2014-11-08T21:16:53Z vowyer_: So my implementation of all the session code should go in the hunchentoot package rather than my own? 2014-11-08T21:17:11Z lemoinem joined #lisp 2014-11-08T21:17:11Z stassats: no, that's a bad idea 2014-11-08T21:17:36Z vowyer_: Because right now, all the session code is in my own package 2014-11-08T21:20:11Z vowyer_: But I'll try with your solution and see if it works 2014-11-08T21:20:22Z vowyer_: stassats: Yep, it works. Thanks :D 2014-11-08T21:27:13Z Kruppe quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2014-11-08T21:30:16Z Kruppe joined #lisp 2014-11-08T21:33:46Z zickzackv joined #lisp 2014-11-08T21:33:50Z miql joined #lisp 2014-11-08T21:38:49Z miql quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2014-11-08T21:40:43Z cpc26_ joined #lisp 2014-11-08T21:40:53Z jjkola quit (Quit: Leaving) 2014-11-08T21:42:57Z cpc26 quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2014-11-08T21:47:31Z ndrei quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2014-11-08T21:49:37Z shka quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2014-11-08T21:52:43Z oleo quit (Quit: Verlassend) 2014-11-08T21:55:13Z linux_dream joined #lisp 2014-11-08T21:56:10Z oleo joined #lisp 2014-11-08T21:59:42Z guaqua quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2014-11-08T22:01:03Z miql joined #lisp 2014-11-08T22:01:03Z guaqua joined #lisp 2014-11-08T22:01:22Z drewc: vowyer_: I usually use STRING= for such comparisons, as usually I do not use the package itself on the key, and for exporting I usually read with a package that has no 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