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2014-11-02T00:04:03Z ack006: stassats: loading clx in cmucl now
2014-11-02T00:04:35Z ack006: Xach: ah that was meant for you :-)
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2014-11-02T00:31:34Z ack006: Xach: clx loads, but can't test demos (the function XLIB::OPEN-X-STREAM is undefined, not implemented for cmucl apparently), bummer.
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2014-11-02T00:33:47Z rtoym: ack006: cmucl's clx does have xlib:open-x-stream.
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2014-11-02T00:35:10Z ack006: rtoym: i know, but i'm loading it from git for testing :-)
2014-11-02T00:35:22Z rtoym: git?
2014-11-02T00:35:25Z ack006: rtoym: to help out Xach
2014-11-02T00:35:29Z Xach: It doesn't help me.
2014-11-02T00:35:32Z Xach: I don't use cmucl.
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2014-11-02T00:35:42Z Xach: CMUCL users don't use clx from git.
2014-11-02T00:35:55Z stassats: at least you can run it on genera
2014-11-02T00:36:04Z ack006: :-D
2014-11-02T00:36:23Z ack006: Xach: why then did you ask for help with it?
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2014-11-02T00:36:43Z rtoym: cmucl's version of clx is telent clx from some time ago. I don't know if it's pure telent clx or not.
2014-11-02T00:36:47Z Xach: ack006: I do not want to commit an untested, incomplete change.
2014-11-02T00:37:14Z stassats: i can vouch for the change, but it's not the only change required, apparently
2014-11-02T00:37:16Z Xach: If someone wants to produce a working, tested change, I'll commit it.
2014-11-02T00:37:33Z ack006: Xach: so that's why i'm testing, right. now.
2014-11-02T00:37:36Z Xach: I don't really care about git clx working on cmucl
2014-11-02T00:37:45Z rtoym: I don't care either.
2014-11-02T00:37:50Z ack006 is confused
2014-11-02T00:37:53Z Xach: or about cmucl, except in that I like cmucl users that i know.
2014-11-02T00:38:08Z ack006: 00:52 <stassats> Xach: can you change kernel::with-array-data to
2014-11-02T00:38:08Z ack006:                  lisp::with-array-data in
2014-11-02T00:38:08Z ack006:                  with-underlying-simple-vector?
2014-11-02T00:38:25Z stassats: well, i'm not confused
2014-11-02T00:38:26Z Xach: they are nice people who deserve respect and honor
2014-11-02T00:38:34Z ack006: this is what i tested, it loads, but i cannot test further.
2014-11-02T00:38:48Z stassats: i only know one cmucl user
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2014-11-02T00:39:46Z Xach: he also rides a pennyfarthing and uses a smith-corona
2014-11-02T00:40:11Z ack006: Xach: :-)
2014-11-02T00:40:18Z stassats: what would be the mode of transporatation of a ti explorer user?
2014-11-02T00:41:10Z ack006: those who don't remember the past are condemned to repeat it (it being bound to "the bad things") :-)
2014-11-02T00:42:14Z stassats: maybe some of us will live until the bright new age, when you don't need CLX anymore, because X11 will be dead
2014-11-02T00:42:34Z ack006: stassats: wayland......!
2014-11-02T00:43:25Z stassats: "!" is too much of an excitement for wayland
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2014-11-02T00:44:21Z ack006: ...and a chance for someone to write a nice, tested, working Lisp binding to it, prove that we can deliver much sooner than gnome, kde, whathaveyou.
2014-11-02T00:44:39Z stassats: except that we can't
2014-11-02T00:44:44Z wasamasa: ^
2014-11-02T00:44:45Z stassats: "we"
2014-11-02T00:45:25Z ack006: have you looked at the wayland protocol? if you're used to dealing with clx, it will be a sigh of relief :-)
2014-11-02T00:45:39Z wasamasa: the work is pretty much done for any project using gtk3 and avoiding xlib calls
2014-11-02T00:46:09Z wasamasa: so, porting emacs will take helluva effort
2014-11-02T00:46:10Z ack006: assuming you want to use gtk3 and not clim ;-)
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2014-11-02T00:46:26Z wasamasa: you were the one speaking of gnome, kde, ..
2014-11-02T00:46:48Z wasamasa: they have made all that progress already
2014-11-02T00:46:49Z stassats: well, i wouldn't be caught dead using clim
2014-11-02T00:47:18Z ack006: honour the past, my friend
2014-11-02T00:47:50Z wasamasa doesn't get it
2014-11-02T00:48:16Z ack006: it's where all those other projects will come looking for inspiration, after getting tired'n'fed'up with the latest fad in overbloated gui frameworks
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2014-11-02T00:51:38Z wasamasa: like, mcclim?
2014-11-02T00:52:08Z wasamasa: if svg backend isn't the definition of "overbloated", then I don't know either
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2014-11-02T00:57:52Z ack006: wasamasa: try porting gtk to svg, then we'll talk
2014-11-02T00:58:47Z ack006: i think it'd be much, much easier porting the basic principles of clim to the web than any of the current desktop-centric gui toolkits
2014-11-02T00:59:39Z ack006: and after you've done that, spruce it up and css style away the past whichever way you want.
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2014-11-02T01:54:23Z nhanH: I remember reading about embedded version of AllegroGraph , I just looked around and can't seem to find it anymore. Did they remove it or was my memory playing trick on me?
2014-11-02T01:54:50Z Xach: nhanH: I'm not sure, but allegro is not discussed much here. The allegro list or their support email is probably a better way to a quick answer.
2014-11-02T01:58:10Z nhanH: Okay thanks.
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2014-11-02T04:22:41Z beach: Good morning everyone!
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2014-11-02T04:27:00Z beach: I am thinking about how type inference could be made implementation-independent, or at least implementation-configurable with not too much effort.  Am I right that the differences between implementations are: 1. The range of fixnums, 2. The choice of float types, and 3. The specialized arrays?
2014-11-02T04:28:13Z Bike: there's stuff about whether hash tables are structure-objects and so on, but i doubt that matters much to most inference
2014-11-02T04:28:35Z Bike: you might have to worry about characters too
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2014-11-02T04:28:40Z beach: yeah, I don't think that matters.
2014-11-02T04:28:48Z beach: Right, characters.
2014-11-02T04:28:54Z beach: Thanks.
2014-11-02T04:29:38Z Bike: oh, and complex upgrading, maybe
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2014-11-02T04:29:53Z beach: Yes.
2014-11-02T04:30:14Z Bike: i'm not sure i've ever seen upgraded-complex-part-type used by anything.
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2014-11-02T04:30:39Z beach: I would have to check.
2014-11-02T04:31:27Z beach: So it seems that with a handful of configuration parameters, this stunt could be pulled off.
2014-11-02T04:31:30Z Bike: with floats you have negative zeroes to worry about
2014-11-02T04:31:49Z beach: For the type inference?
2014-11-02T04:31:56Z Bike: maybe. i'm kind of shotgunning.
2014-11-02T04:32:03Z beach: Yeah, OK, I get it.
2014-11-02T04:32:06Z beach: Good thinking.
2014-11-02T04:32:24Z Bike: i'm not sure how much of this you need for type inference anyway? like, you could just infer something to be an (unsigned-byte 37) and if it's a fixnum it's a fixnum
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2014-11-02T04:33:01Z beach: I think I do need it.
2014-11-02T04:33:51Z beach: I distinguish between fixnums and other integers for operations that can be turned into simple machine instructions.
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2014-11-02T04:34:39Z Bike: i mean, isn't that after inference, sorta?
2014-11-02T04:34:57Z beach: Ah, yes, I see what you mean.
2014-11-02T04:35:08Z beach: That's possible.
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2014-11-02T04:40:10Z beach: Thanks, Bike.  Your remarks are very valuable as usual.
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2014-11-02T04:49:18Z beach: Bike: Are you sure you can't fix the problem of going around in circles of pie in the sky and start writing compiler code?
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2014-11-02T05:13:30Z Bike: was afk
2014-11-02T05:13:45Z beach: Whew!
2014-11-02T05:13:46Z Bike: i'm certainly not sure, but it's probably not possible right now, i'm busy with other things
2014-11-02T05:14:05Z beach: Too bad.  You could make a big difference.
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2014-11-02T07:35:43Z beach: Is there a standard way of declaring the type of functions that can not return normally, such as ERROR?
2014-11-02T07:35:56Z beach: I am thinking a return-value type of NIL would be appropriate.
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2014-11-02T07:37:32Z beach: Detecting such functions would be a good thing, because it can simplify the flow graph, and make different optimizations more effective.
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2014-11-02T08:50:51Z jusss: parenthesis is macro character or compiler macro ? and it can be turn off ?
2014-11-02T08:52:00Z Krystof: beach: yes, a return type of NIL
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2014-11-02T09:09:54Z beach: OK, I thought so.
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2014-11-02T09:40:16Z pjb: minion memo for Ryan_Burnside: you don't have to wait for a standard commitee to uniformize things like sockets for CL.  CL is a meta programming programming language.  This goes also up to the level of standardization: YOU can write a CDR, and implement it in the numerous free implementations (and promote it with proprietary implementation vendors).  http://cdr.eurolisp.org/
2014-11-02T09:43:00Z beach: You forgot `:' after `minion'.
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2014-11-02T09:55:41Z pjb: Oops. Thanks.
2014-11-02T09:56:03Z pjb: pm'ed it.
2014-11-02T09:57:10Z pjb: beach: perhaps you'd want to extend the function type notation to denote the different kinds of non-local exits? (throws (values), return-from (labels), signal (condition types).
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2014-11-02T09:59:39Z pjb: Or perhaps throws should take types too, so we'd have to write (throws symbol) or (throws (member t nil)).
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2014-11-02T14:07:14Z jusss: can I return a ; not a ";" ?
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2014-11-02T14:10:26Z Xach: jusss: what kind of object is ;?
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2014-11-02T14:11:14Z ggole: A symbol called ;?
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2014-11-02T14:11:46Z ggole: You can do that, but it will be printed with the name escaped
2014-11-02T14:12:43Z jusss: yes
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2014-11-02T14:12:51Z jusss: a symbol
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2014-11-02T14:13:07Z ggole: '\; (or '|;|)
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2014-11-02T14:13:54Z Xach: jusss: why do you want that?
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2014-11-02T14:17:11Z jusss: ggole: can it just print ; ?
2014-11-02T14:17:17Z Xach: jusss: why?
2014-11-02T14:17:21Z jusss: no other symbol
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2014-11-02T14:18:53Z jusss: Xach: I need put ; to a text file but I just want ;
2014-11-02T14:19:26Z ggole: Then print a ;, not a symbol
2014-11-02T14:19:35Z Xach: jusss: then use something like (write-char #\; stream)
2014-11-02T14:19:42Z Xach: or (write-string ";" stream)
2014-11-02T14:19:46Z Xach: or many other options
2014-11-02T14:20:43Z ggole: Or princ instead of print
2014-11-02T14:20:59Z ggole: write-char would be clearest, I think
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2014-11-02T14:23:47Z jusss: Xach: ggole , can it just print and no return value ?
2014-11-02T14:24:18Z Xach: jusss: why do you want that?
2014-11-02T14:24:20Z jusss: is there a function just print and don't return a value?
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2014-11-02T14:24:42Z Xach: jusss: FORMAT, sometimes.
2014-11-02T14:24:49Z Xach: Although that's not really true. Sometimes it returns nil.
2014-11-02T14:24:55Z Xach: and nil is a value.
2014-11-02T14:25:02Z Xach: jusss: Why do you want that behavior?
2014-11-02T14:25:04Z jusss: yes, nil is a value
2014-11-02T14:25:13Z ggole: (progn ... (values))... but this is probably not actually useful
2014-11-02T14:25:23Z ggole: What are you doing that you feel you need this?
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2014-11-02T14:28:55Z jusss: print nicely
2014-11-02T14:29:07Z jusss: Xach: ggole , lisp can do that ?
2014-11-02T14:29:42Z ggole: Returning values doesn't really have much to do with printing.
2014-11-02T14:29:45Z stassats: (values) is slower than returning NIL
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2014-11-02T15:48:04Z jusss: can lisp make a value of a function to function ?
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2014-11-02T15:49:24Z pjb: This is not a Common Lisp form.
2014-11-02T15:49:28Z pjb: What do you want to do?
2014-11-02T15:51:23Z jusss: treat a function return value as a function
2014-11-02T15:51:38Z jusss: Xach: how ?
2014-11-02T15:51:55Z Bike: (funcall 'prin1 'prin1)
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2014-11-02T15:54:16Z pjb: Yes.
2014-11-02T15:54:19Z pjb: this is a CL form.
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2014-11-02T20:17:03Z drmeister: I recently installed emacs 24.4 and find that indenting is a bit screwy.
2014-11-02T20:17:18Z drmeister: Does anyone know why multiple-value-bind is indenting like this?
2014-11-02T20:17:22Z drmeister: https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/cSS9EPfJ
2014-11-02T20:17:46Z drmeister: It hurts my delicate sensibilities.
2014-11-02T20:19:15Z stassats: it's indented properly here
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2014-11-02T20:20:02Z stassats: of course i'm using slime-indentation and things
2014-11-02T20:20:23Z Shinmera: drmeister: Are you sure you're in common-lisp-mode?
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2014-11-02T20:21:38Z drmeister: It says the mode is [(Lisp)]
2014-11-02T20:21:46Z drmeister: lisp-mode  - right?
2014-11-02T20:22:29Z stassats: there's no common-lisp-mode, fwiw
2014-11-02T20:23:58Z Shinmera: There is a command called common-lisp-mode though
2014-11-02T20:24:00Z drmeister: It's funny because everything else is indenting properly as far as I have tested it.
2014-11-02T20:24:14Z stassats: Shinmera: that doesn't mean much
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2014-11-02T20:27:17Z drmeister: Ah - I'll figure it out later - I'm on a mission at the moment.
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2014-11-02T20:39:04Z stassats: really, i shouldn't update slime, it only brings sorrow nowadays
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2014-11-02T20:49:11Z Petit_Dejeuner: stassats, What still needs to be added?
2014-11-02T20:49:17Z Petit_Dejeuner: Bug fixes?
2014-11-02T20:49:25Z stassats: don't pay attention to me
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2014-11-02T20:59:16Z drmeister: I'm rebuilding my machine after a crash a couple of weeks ago.
2014-11-02T20:59:24Z drmeister: Once I added slime the indentation all works fine.
2014-11-02T20:59:39Z pjb: Normality restaured.
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2014-11-02T21:12:18Z stassats: a couple of major issues sorted out
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2014-11-02T22:34:41Z puchacz: hi, I am reading bordeaux threads api docs, and I do not understand this "Global bindings are shared between threads: the initial value of a global variable in the new thread will be the same as in the parent,"
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2014-11-02T22:35:01Z puchacz: so, if I have (defvar *boo* 3) or (defparameter *boo* 3) and then (let ((*boo* 4)) bt:make-thread in another function
2014-11-02T22:35:20Z puchacz: does it fall under "global bindings" category please?
2014-11-02T22:35:31Z puchacz: the docs is here: http://trac.common-lisp.net/bordeaux-threads/wiki/ApiDocumentation
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2014-11-02T22:36:13Z puchacz: the last point "Local bindings in the the caller of MAKE-THREAD may or may not be shared" - I understand it is about variables introduced with (let ..) only, correct?
2014-11-02T22:36:14Z |3b|: LET makes a non-global binding. if i remember right bt doesn't specify what happens
2014-11-02T22:36:20Z |3b|: right
2014-11-02T22:36:34Z |3b|: well, LET and anything else except DEFVAR or DEFPARAMETER
2014-11-02T22:37:15Z puchacz: |3b| let on nonglobal symbol, function arguments etc - same thing, local bindings
2014-11-02T22:37:32Z puchacz: but is let on global symbol still a local binding?
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2014-11-02T22:37:49Z |3b|: any binding created by LET is local, regardless of name
2014-11-02T22:37:57Z |3b|: and same for functions, etc
2014-11-02T22:38:05Z |3b|: DEFVAR and DEFPARAMETER create a global binding
2014-11-02T22:38:36Z |3b|: other bindings of same name create a local binding that shadows the global binding
2014-11-02T22:39:25Z puchacz: ok, and when I use LET on a nonglobal symbol, it is visible only in lexical scope. if I use LET on DEFVARed or DEFPAREMETERed symbol, it is visible with my new LETed value down the stack call providing functions being called are in source files after DEFVAR or DEFPARAMETER. do I understand it correctly?
2014-11-02T22:40:57Z dim: puchacz: I think you need to think in terms of "binding" rather than "symbol" here
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2014-11-02T22:42:18Z puchacz: dim: did I describe correct behaviour? LET on something that has DEFVARed binding changes the value to LETed one all the way down the call stack providing the functions are physically in source file after DEFVAR. If they are before DEFVAR, they still see the value bound by DEFVAR
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2014-11-02T22:42:58Z dim: it's called “dynamic binding” and you will find plenty of references to it, and it's also quite easy to test it
2014-11-02T22:43:10Z |3b|: puchacz: you can declare a binding to be 'special' in a let even if it doesn't have a global DEFVAR/DEFPARAMETER binding and it will work the same way
2014-11-02T22:43:11Z dim: beware that the specs do not cover mutli-threading behavior here
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2014-11-02T22:43:37Z |3b|: and symbols aren't "global" or not, they are just symbols
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2014-11-02T22:43:40Z puchacz: |3b| really? I think I get sbcl warning without prior DEFVAR or DEFPARAMETER
2014-11-02T22:43:55Z puchacz: |3b| right, bindings are global not symbols
2014-11-02T22:44:03Z |3b|: DEFVAR/DEFPPARAMETER just globally declaim that symbol to name a special (= dynamic) variable
2014-11-02T22:44:22Z puchacz: ok, so without it, will work but with sbcl warning?
2014-11-02T22:45:00Z |3b|: you can do that yourself without creating a global binding with DECLAIM or PROCLAIM, or you can just always use DECLARE SPECIAL locally
2014-11-02T22:45:10Z puchacz: got you
2014-11-02T22:45:24Z |3b|: will what work?
2014-11-02T22:45:41Z puchacz: no, I am checking the wording of bt docs now
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2014-11-02T22:45:46Z puchacz: with better understanding
2014-11-02T22:45:56Z dim: the main difference is that when using defvar/defparameter it's then no longer possible to use the same symbol for a lexically scoped binding
2014-11-02T22:46:21Z dim: hence the habit of using ear muffs, ala (defvar *x* 'foo)
2014-11-02T22:47:30Z puchacz: ok, so DEFVAR/DEFPARAMETER/DECLARE SPECIAL/DECLAIM/PROCLAIM etc. and then LET  to create a dynamic binding. Is dynamic binding called local or global?
2014-11-02T22:47:49Z |3b|: either
2014-11-02T22:48:01Z |3b|: DEFVAR/DEFPARAMETER make global bindings, everything else local
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2014-11-02T22:48:28Z dim: “dynamic extent” is the techincal detail IIRC
2014-11-02T22:48:29Z puchacz: |3b| so LET is local, no matter if it is lexical scope only or dynamic binding?
2014-11-02T22:48:36Z |3b|: right
2014-11-02T22:48:47Z dim: (let ((x 2)) (declare (special x)) (foo x))
2014-11-02T22:49:02Z |3b|: though the BT stuff was only about special/dynamic bindings not lexical bindings
2014-11-02T22:49:03Z dim: now x is a lexical binding with a dynamic extent reaching into foo
2014-11-02T22:49:29Z puchacz: dim - you did not have to pass it as an argument, did you?
2014-11-02T22:49:34Z dim: right
2014-11-02T22:49:58Z |3b|: since you create the closure in the calling thread, and nothing else could see a lexical bindings in the newly created thread anyway
2014-11-02T22:50:24Z puchacz: |3b| see the URL I pasted - it uses words global and local, not dynamic and not lexical
2014-11-02T22:51:12Z puchacz: which makes me worried - because the only way to pass a value to a new thread may be to use a global variable
2014-11-02T22:51:17Z |3b|: "The interaction between threads and dynamic variables is in some cases complex,..."
2014-11-02T22:51:23Z |3b|: so only about dynamic variables
2014-11-02T22:51:24Z puchacz: yes, this part
2014-11-02T22:51:41Z puchacz: "Local bindings are local to the thread they are introduced in"
2014-11-02T22:51:42Z |3b|: and you can't make global lexical variables
2014-11-02T22:52:05Z puchacz: |3b| there is no word "lexical" there
2014-11-02T22:52:21Z puchacz: it only says - use global variables if you want to share between threads
2014-11-02T22:52:24Z |3b| reads the formatting as that being extra details on the complexity of special variables
2014-11-02T22:52:41Z |3b|: so if a /dynamic/ variable is global or local ...
2014-11-02T22:53:11Z |3b|: it doesn't matter for lexical bindings, since nothing could see them anyway
2014-11-02T22:53:48Z dim: for multi threading (and with bordeaux-threads) don't bind the dynamic variable in the parent thread, only in the worker thread
2014-11-02T22:53:59Z dim: or use lparallel and queues to communicate
2014-11-02T22:54:27Z puchacz: I see - so there is no way to pass "local" variable to a newly created thread, is there?
2014-11-02T22:54:49Z puchacz: hint: I use sbcl :-)
2014-11-02T22:57:42Z dim: yes you can, see the kernel bindings API in lparallel
2014-11-02T22:58:02Z puchacz: dim: so I should switch from bt to lparallel, shouldn't I?
2014-11-02T22:58:19Z dim: lparallel depends on bt
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2014-11-02T22:58:37Z dim: it's not so much switching as expanding to an higher level lib
2014-11-02T22:58:46Z puchacz: dim: I can imagine, and all the way down they all depend on sb-thread when running on sbcl
2014-11-02T22:58:55Z puchacz: but it seems that it solved the problem that bt did not
2014-11-02T22:58:56Z dim: I'm quite fond of lparallel myself, using it in pgloader
2014-11-02T23:00:35Z puchacz: dim: do you know if bt on sbcl *happens* to pass on local bindings? my code seems to be working, but it may have been an accident
2014-11-02T23:00:59Z puchacz: I will switch to lparallel though, but as a dirty solution, I am pretty happy to carry on with non-portable code for now
2014-11-02T23:01:09Z dim: depends on the version of bt, 0.8.x is ok, 0.2.x is not, to make the case simpler than it is
2014-11-02T23:01:18Z dim: beware than debian stable still has 0.2.x
2014-11-02T23:01:32Z dim: (well a new debian stable is coming, but meantime…)
2014-11-02T23:01:46Z puchacz: bordeaux-threads-0.8.3
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2014-11-02T23:02:20Z puchacz: is this a trend? that bt maintainers work towards passing local bindings?
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2014-11-02T23:06:11Z puchacz: ok, anyway
2014-11-02T23:06:17Z puchacz: thank you guys, dim and |3b|
2014-11-02T23:06:51Z puchacz: my solution, use LET and bt 0.8 for now, read on lparallel and think how to migrate
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2014-11-02T23:07:43Z |3b|: puchacz: you can pass a set of local bindings for it to create in the new thread, or you can use lexical bindings
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2014-11-02T23:08:29Z |3b|: see the *default-special-bindings* in that docs
2014-11-02T23:09:21Z puchacz: |3b| pass a set of local bindings in *default-special-bindings* ? I saw it but I will skip, because - what if theoretically another thread is being created at the same time
2014-11-02T23:10:14Z puchacz: |3b| and lexical bindings, ok we both understand that they are local, but dim said they will work in bt 0.8, so you say I can ignore the warning "don't use locals" in bt api, right?
2014-11-02T23:10:26Z puchacz: (that's what I am going to do)
2014-11-02T23:10:41Z puchacz: (ignore the warning and use local/lexical)
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2014-11-02T23:17:35Z |3b|: that section is only about dynamic variables, not lexical variable
2014-11-02T23:18:17Z puchacz: |3b| you mean this? "This variable may be rebound around calls to MAKE-THREAD to add/alter default bindings. "
2014-11-02T23:18:36Z |3b|: and *default-special-bindings* works even if you create multiple threads at once, since it is a special variable, so other threads creating more threads won't see a local binding of *default-special-bindings*
2014-11-02T23:18:38Z |3b|: right
2014-11-02T23:18:47Z puchacz: oki
2014-11-02T23:19:13Z puchacz: thanks. I was checking lparallel api but I don't feel it yet, so good I can stay with bt for now
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2014-11-02T23:21:41Z puchacz: btw, dim, first time I have seen a command line utility written in Lisp :-) congrats!
2014-11-02T23:22:06Z dim: hehe thanks
2014-11-02T23:23:07Z dim: check out pgcharts too then, you might like it as an embedded web server that you start the usual way under linux/osx (pgcharts start|stop|pid|…)
2014-11-02T23:23:27Z dim: https://github.com/dimitri/pgcharts — I don't think I did the QL registration yet for that one
2014-11-02T23:23:48Z puchacz: will do :-)
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2014-11-02T23:30:02Z puchacz: pgcharts, interesting
2014-11-02T23:30:18Z puchacz: is it inspired by another similar app written in say R?
2014-11-02T23:30:24Z puchacz: if so, I would be interested too....
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