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2014-11-01T00:56:47Z ack006 wonders why (+ (cis pi) 1) isn't closer to 0...
2014-11-01T00:57:33Z zRecursive: clhs cis
2014-11-01T00:57:33Z specbot: http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_cis.htm
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2014-11-01T01:00:51Z Bike: ack006: welcome to floats? it's on the order of 10^-16 here, pretty small
2014-11-01T01:01:52Z ack006: Bike: I know, but things go wacky pretty fast if using multiples of 2*pi.
2014-11-01T01:02:12Z ack006: of course you can do modulus, but anyways, thanks :-)
2014-11-01T01:02:17Z Bike: https://randomascii.wordpress.com/2014/10/09/intel-underestimates-error-bounds-by-1-3-quintillion/ it could always be worse
2014-11-01T01:02:30Z ack006: Bike: :-)
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2014-11-01T01:25:33Z Petit_Dejeuner: Can I export a macro that uses a function I don't export?
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2014-11-01T01:38:42Z ack006: Bike: very interesting article, slightly worrying, too.
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2014-11-01T01:48:06Z Bike: Petit_Dejeuner: yes
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2014-11-01T01:48:44Z Petit_Dejeuner: Bike, How does that work?
2014-11-01T01:49:15Z Bike: Petit_Dejeuner: the macro body is already read (in your package, probably) by the time it's expanded
2014-11-01T01:49:38Z Petit_Dejeuner: So when it looks up the symbols it uses the package the macro was defined inside?
2014-11-01T01:50:54Z Bike: Petit_Dejeuner: information about packages is tied to the symbols, and the symbols are produced at read-time
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2014-11-01T01:55:22Z ack006: Bike:  (- (* (atan 1) 4) pi) => 6.283185394602366d0
2014-11-01T01:55:27Z ack006: ..ouch!
2014-11-01T01:56:16Z Bike: i get 10^-8 ish here.
2014-11-01T01:56:23Z ack006: => 8.742278012618931d-8
2014-11-01T01:56:37Z Bike: yes.
2014-11-01T01:56:53Z ack006: c&p
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2014-11-01T01:57:02Z Bike: so what's the 6 thing.
2014-11-01T01:57:27Z ack006: copied the wrong line
2014-11-01T01:57:29Z Bike: i mean, it looks like 2pi, but that would definitely be wrong.
2014-11-01T01:58:07Z ack006: was part of another sexp, i was looking at the cancelling effect of predefined pi vs computed pi, as in the article
2014-11-01T01:58:46Z Bike: using doubles i get something that displays as zero.
2014-11-01T02:00:43Z ack006: interesting
2014-11-01T02:01:29Z ack006: like you said, welcome to the harsh reality of the floats :-)
2014-11-01T02:01:53Z ack006: as lispers, many of us are used to doing symbolic computations.
2014-11-01T02:02:43Z Bike: comparing symbolic mathematical expressions is uncomputable in general. floats are easier for a lot of things. one part in a hundred million isn't bad.
2014-11-01T02:02:54Z ack006: :-)
2014-11-01T02:03:51Z Petit_Dejeuner: Couldn't the compiler optimize that?
2014-11-01T02:04:48Z Bike: optimize what
2014-11-01T02:05:24Z Petit_Dejeuner: (- (* (atan 1) 4) pi)
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2014-11-01T02:07:26Z Petit_Dejeuner: Symbolic constant optimization would be neat.
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2014-11-01T02:27:42Z ack006: Petit_Dejeuner: maxima does that:
2014-11-01T02:27:58Z ack006: (%i1) 4*atan(1)-%pi;
2014-11-01T02:28:07Z ack006: (%o1)                                  0
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2014-11-01T02:32:54Z zRecursive: CCL returns 8.742278012618954D-8
2014-11-01T02:33:26Z zRecursive: How can maxima return 0 ?
2014-11-01T02:33:39Z Bike: maxima is a symbolic computation program. of course it returns zero.
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2014-11-01T02:34:20Z Bike: it probably reduces "atan(1)" to something equivalent to "pi/4", which is of course distinct from a float.
2014-11-01T02:34:45Z ack006: Bike: and it's built on common lisp :-)
2014-11-01T02:35:16Z zRecursive: neat Symbolic Computation !
2014-11-01T02:35:30Z ack006: so it fulfills Petit_Dejeuner's wish in a sense :-)
2014-11-01T02:36:10Z zRecursive: I just know moderm computer cannot present Float accurately
2014-11-01T02:36:41Z Bike: they can. it's just kind of weird to take a base-2 fraction and present it in base-10.
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2014-11-01T02:37:08Z zRecursive: oh, yeah
2014-11-01T02:37:13Z ack006: i used to work a work with maple, manipulating equations entirely symbolically, then rendering them into c (it has functions to do that.
2014-11-01T02:37:26Z ack006: )
2014-11-01T02:37:39Z Bike: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richardson%27s_theorem also relevant
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2014-11-01T02:39:42Z ack006: Bike: yup, that's why there's always human involved, if only to decide where to stop factoring or simplifying the equations, or forcibly break the computer out of an endless computation :-)
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2014-11-01T02:44:44Z resttime: sweet, my CFFI github issue was resolved :D
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2014-11-01T02:46:09Z resttime: passing structures by values works again
2014-11-01T02:46:25Z resttime: time to patiently wait for the CFFI-libffi windows fix to get merged
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2014-11-01T02:57:10Z ack006: :-)
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2014-11-01T05:02:18Z beach: Good morning everyone!
2014-11-01T05:04:15Z samebchase: 'morning beach
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2014-11-01T05:43:09Z Guest23843: Petit_Dejeuner: you cannot export functions or macros!  Look at clhs export!  You can only export _symbols_!
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2014-11-01T05:48:46Z Guest23843: Petit_Dejeuner: a compiler could optimize: (cl:- (cl:* (cl:atan 1) 4) cl:pi); you could (your-package:- (your-package:* (your-package:atan 1) 4) your-package:pi), assuming those symbols don't come from CL, by writing compiler macros on the functions denoted by your symbols.
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2014-11-01T05:51:56Z beach: Guest23843: How am I supposed to grep for you in the logs if you use that nick?
2014-11-01T05:53:01Z Guest23843: :-)
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2014-11-01T05:53:09Z beach: Thanks!
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2014-11-01T06:41:09Z pjb: nhanH: either wait a few days for quicklisp updates, or fetch the latest version of slime (which was issued a few days after the last quicklisp snapshot last month).
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2014-11-01T11:38:46Z bbg889: hello. what is the name of a function that takes a list and gives you a list of natural numbers from 0 to (1- (length lst))?
2014-11-01T11:39:06Z bbg889: in Common Lisp
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2014-11-01T11:41:21Z antoszka: bbg889: alexandria:iota
2014-11-01T11:41:32Z antoszka: bbg889: it's not in the ANSI standard
2014-11-01T11:41:42Z antoszka: otherwise just use LOOP
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2014-11-01T11:42:27Z bbg889: yes, (loop ...) will do it
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2014-11-01T13:00:10Z beach: Good afternoon everyone!
2014-11-01T13:01:36Z Shinmera: Ech, stassats isn't here and I don't suppose anyone else here can tell me why QThread isn't available from CommonQt (but QRunnable is?)
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2014-11-01T13:13:58Z jusss: why the function in set-macro-character needs two parameters at least ?
2014-11-01T13:14:18Z beach: So that you can share the same function between several characters.
2014-11-01T13:14:25Z Shinmera: Hm, seems like smokeqt doesn't include the class for some reason (even though it should be able to parse the header?)
2014-11-01T13:14:54Z jusss: and set-macro-character can handle special character like ( ?
2014-11-01T13:15:14Z beach: It does.  That's how lists are read.
2014-11-01T13:16:21Z jusss: can I change ( and ) to [ and ] ? and how
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2014-11-01T13:16:46Z beach: clhs s-s-f-c
2014-11-01T13:16:46Z specbot: set-syntax-from-char: http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_set_sy.htm
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2014-11-01T13:17:45Z jusss: er,that's not I want
2014-11-01T13:17:52Z _death: jusss: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/comp.lang.lisp/Nvdio3taI0Q/bn_VqLTaxG4J
2014-11-01T13:18:30Z jusss: (set-dispatching-macro-character #\p #\r #\i #\n #\t #\f #\( '#(lambda ...))) this will be error
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2014-11-01T13:19:06Z beach: jusss: The reader was not meant for that level of customization.
2014-11-01T13:19:25Z beach: jusss: It is better to use a real parser.
2014-11-01T13:21:46Z jusss: beach: so the reader cann't handle (  ?
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2014-11-01T13:22:09Z beach: It can and it does.
2014-11-01T13:22:47Z beach: The left parenthesis is a macro character that will read what follows as a Common Lisp list.
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2014-11-01T13:27:18Z beach: jusss: Your call to set-dispatch-macro-character will not work, because that function takes 3 or 4 arguments.
2014-11-01T13:27:19Z jusss: (set-dispatching-macro-character #\i #\( #'(lambda (stream char) (declare (ignore char)) (+ 1 (read stream t nil t))))
2014-11-01T13:28:44Z beach: jusss: If you do something like that, then the letter i will always be a dispatch macro character.  It doesn't sound like what you would want.
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2014-11-01T13:29:58Z beach: jusss: I repeat, the reader is not meant for that level of customization.  It is best to use a real parser.
2014-11-01T13:31:26Z jusss: If I want this level of customization ,so what I shoule need ?
2014-11-01T13:31:46Z beach: A real parser.
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2014-11-01T13:32:49Z jusss: how to write a real parser with lisp ?
2014-11-01T13:32:59Z jusss: eg
2014-11-01T13:33:32Z _death: http://cliki.net/Text
2014-11-01T13:33:42Z beach: jusss: http://www.cliki.net/parser%20generator
2014-11-01T13:33:53Z beach: jusss: Do you know about the Google search engine?
2014-11-01T13:34:17Z beach: You can type things like "Common Lisp parser" to it, and you get some information on where you can find things like that.
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2014-11-01T13:45:18Z Xach: luis: when is the next slime update?
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2014-11-01T13:50:12Z otjura: hello, what would be the best implementation for Lisp on Linux?
2014-11-01T13:50:31Z Adeon: sbcl
2014-11-01T13:50:34Z beach: otjura: Most people here would recommend SBCL.
2014-11-01T13:50:57Z Adeon: many implementations work on linux, choose the one that suits your needs best
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2014-11-01T13:51:10Z otjura: I tried SBCL and the prompt doesn't allow moving around with arrow keys..
2014-11-01T13:51:14Z Xach: otjura: Clozure Common Lisp and SBCL are both very good.
2014-11-01T13:51:25Z beach: otjura: You would use SLIME for that.
2014-11-01T13:51:27Z Xach: otjura: Don't work directly in the prompt, then.
2014-11-01T13:51:27Z jusss: sbcl doesn't support indent
2014-11-01T13:51:27Z Adeon: you can use linedit from quicklisp to make the prompt more pleasant
2014-11-01T13:51:34Z Adeon: if you don't want slime, that is
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2014-11-01T13:51:55Z beach: jusss: What are you talking about?
2014-11-01T13:52:21Z beach: otjura: Again, most people here would recommend Emacs + SLIME as the development environment.
2014-11-01T13:52:56Z Adeon: the only lisp implementation that I know where the raw prompt supports fancy arrow and tab completion functionality is clisp
2014-11-01T13:53:19Z otjura: okay
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2014-11-01T13:53:55Z otjura: clisp is sadly out of question due to its political-religious connotations
2014-11-01T13:54:09Z otjura: I'll use SBCL then, thanks for input
2014-11-01T13:54:30Z Adeon: install linedit for fancy arrow and tab completion
2014-11-01T13:54:35Z Adeon: actually I don't remember if it had tab completion
2014-11-01T13:54:37Z Adeon: or use SLIME
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2014-11-01T13:58:30Z jusss: beach: win7,sbcl repl, in a line write (xxxx ,press enter to next line is what I except,but it will be evaluated and report error
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2014-11-01T14:02:24Z Grue`: jusss: it's not evaluated for me
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2014-11-01T14:05:20Z wasamasa: otjura: `rlwrap sbcl`
2014-11-01T14:05:31Z wasamasa: otjura: generally, `rlwrap` is very useful to have
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2014-11-01T14:24:25Z pjb: jusss: http://paste.lisp.org/+33AS  but as I told you, you should rather define a reader macro on #\{, not on #\p!
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2014-11-01T14:27:37Z pjb: otjura: you can always run clisp -q ; put alias clisp='clisp -q' in your ~/.bashrc
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2014-11-01T14:37:13Z jusss: pjb: why not #\p #\r #\i #\n #\t ?
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2014-11-01T14:40:51Z pjb: clhs set-macro-character
2014-11-01T14:40:51Z specbot: http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_set_ma.htm
2014-11-01T14:40:57Z pjb: clhs set-dispatching-macro-character
2014-11-01T14:40:57Z specbot: Couldn't find anything for set-dispatching-macro-character.
2014-11-01T14:41:07Z pjb: clhs set-dispatch-macro-character
2014-11-01T14:41:07Z specbot: http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_set__1.htm
2014-11-01T14:41:16Z pjb: jusss: because read those CLHS pages!
2014-11-01T14:43:14Z pjb: jusss: fundamentally, because it has been decided that lisp shall be a LL(1) language, not a LL(6) one.
2014-11-01T14:47:08Z jusss: pjb: set-dispatch-macro-character just handle two macro character? why
2014-11-01T14:47:17Z pjb: because.
2014-11-01T14:47:38Z jusss: If I need more macro character
2014-11-01T14:47:57Z pjb: I've shown you how to do it. Read the paste above!
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2014-11-01T14:48:23Z pjb: jusss: and notice that set-dispatch-macro-character is implemented with set-macro-character, and that it reads more than two characters, since you can have digits between both characters.
2014-11-01T14:48:42Z pjb: And also, the second character is processed case insensitively.
2014-11-01T14:50:12Z pjb: (only a letter is possible as second character).
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2014-11-01T15:38:12Z Shinmera: Interesting. I was able to modify smokeqt to compile with QThread included. When I try to define a QThread class from lisp out with overriding the run() method, SBCL segfaults immediately as soon as I try to start the thread. If I instead use slots and signals it seems to dispatch fine. http://shinmera.tymoon.eu/public/screenshot-2014.11.01-16:38:10.png
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2014-11-01T15:44:03Z Shinmera: Ah, no, I made a mistake and it still crashes fully when trying to call back into lisp.
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2014-11-01T15:48:17Z Shinmera: Looks like CCL wins. http://shinmera.tymoon.eu/public/screenshot-2014.11.01-16:48:01.png
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2014-11-01T15:50:21Z adlai: library #1 defines a bunch of classes, each with a name slot, and a reader #'name which works on any such class. library #2 also uses this pattern, but they don't share the symbol in common. ideas on how to cleanly resolve this in library #3, which uses both, and wants to have a single #'name working on all named objects?
2014-11-01T15:51:46Z adlai: my initial idea is to import the packages but shadow 'name in library #3, and have lib3:name dispatch to the appropriate lib1:name or lib2:name, but that's horrible, and needs to be updated if classes are added or removed
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2014-11-01T16:09:25Z pjb: adlai: depends on whether it's the same thing or not.
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2014-11-01T16:09:55Z pjb: For example, chinese:name vs. french:name  or animal:name vs. person:name.
2014-11-01T16:09:59Z Grue`: adlai: you can probably "patch" one of these libraries to use the symbol from the other library
2014-11-01T16:11:35Z adlai: it's the same thing in the sense that in both cases, the "name" is a human-friendly name for a system object which otherwise doesn't affect it
2014-11-01T16:11:59Z pjb: then you can use the same symbol and have a single slot for each object.
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2014-11-01T16:17:56Z Grue`: adlai: also, assuming one of these generic functions lib1:name doesn't work on every object, create a defmethod lib1:name that catches all objects and calls lib2:name
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2014-11-01T16:19:24Z Grue`: though this depends on whether lib1 uses call-next-method...
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2014-11-01T16:20:37Z pjb: You have the sources.  That'd be the cleanest way, yes.
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2014-11-01T16:27:34Z Grue`: oh wait, lib1 can't land on this method with call-next-method because otherwise this would've been an error
2014-11-01T16:28:20Z Grue`: so this solution should work
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2014-11-01T16:57:06Z jackdaniel: hmm, i have emacs+slime, and when i write, there are function definitions on minibuffer - but they disappear, when i press space. It's irracional, because when i press space twice and once backspace, hint appears again - have anyone met similar behaviour?
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2014-11-01T17:08:14Z wasamasa: simple, they are displayed once again when point is at a function
2014-11-01T17:08:22Z wasamasa: anything can print to the echo area
2014-11-01T17:08:35Z wasamasa: what you probably see is eldoc
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2014-11-01T17:09:51Z jackdaniel: putting any character after space redisplays function definition as well, it looks like minibuffer gets cleared on pressing space
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2014-11-01T18:58:21Z allen: On sbcl, I'm not able to (require :asdf-intall)
2014-11-01T18:58:28Z allen: (require :asdf) works fine
2014-11-01T19:00:38Z Grue`: the solution is to not use asdf-install :)
2014-11-01T19:01:02Z Grue`: http://www.quicklisp.org/beta/
2014-11-01T19:01:12Z Xach: allen: asdf-install is obsolete and any documentation referencing it is probably obsolete or at least neglected
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2014-11-01T19:02:37Z allen: ah ok, makes sense
2014-11-01T19:04:04Z erikc: the cffi page has a dead link to a ‘Proposed Block Memory Interface’, did anything ever come of this?
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2014-11-01T19:13:34Z nyef: Good afternoon, all.
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2014-11-01T19:15:46Z Ryan_Burnside: Hello nyef.
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2014-11-01T19:29:27Z hardenedapple: Hello, is there any way to use a vector as the input for sb-ext:run-program without creating a stream from it?
2014-11-01T19:29:35Z jjkola: hi
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2014-11-01T21:33:03Z Ryan_Burnside: How is On Common Lisp?
2014-11-01T21:33:09Z Ryan_Burnside: I know Seibel'
2014-11-01T21:33:15Z Ryan_Burnside: s book is the defacto book now.
2014-11-01T21:34:27Z Ryan_Burnside: The price for the On Lisp has gone through the roof.
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2014-11-01T21:42:11Z Shinmera: I wouldn't really recommend it except as 'has some interesting ideas'
2014-11-01T21:42:19Z Shinmera: ymmv
2014-11-01T21:42:22Z stassats: on lisp is free
2014-11-01T21:43:11Z prxq: 'has some interesting ideas' seems valuable enough
2014-11-01T21:43:32Z stassats: interesting, but not useful
2014-11-01T21:45:53Z Ryan_Burnside: I've also been considering the book on the CLOS but fear it is too difficult.
2014-11-01T21:46:08Z Ryan_Burnside: Metaobject Protocol or something to that effect
2014-11-01T21:46:10Z stassats: the Keene one is pretty easy
2014-11-01T21:46:37Z prxq: indeed. and also interesting :-)
2014-11-01T21:46:53Z Ryan_Burnside: I heard it did not use the modern version of the CLOS.
2014-11-01T21:46:57Z Ryan_Burnside: Perhaps I'm mistaken.
2014-11-01T21:47:07Z prxq: especially since it makes reference to software systems you are almost guaranteed never to have seen
2014-11-01T21:47:12Z Bike: the differences are mostly pretty small
2014-11-01T21:47:22Z Bike: stuff like setf functions being new
2014-11-01T21:47:40Z prxq: Bike: what's a setf function?
2014-11-01T21:47:56Z Bike: a function with a name like (setf foo)
2014-11-01T21:48:17Z prxq: like in (defun (setf foo) ...)?
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2014-11-01T21:48:33Z Bike: yeah
2014-11-01T21:48:38Z prxq: that is covered, I'm pretty sure
2014-11-01T21:49:25Z Bike: closette is written to work in an implementation without them
2014-11-01T21:50:05Z Ryan_Burnside: Oh, one other question. Is there any standards committee that might release another version of CL in the future?
2014-11-01T21:50:09Z prxq: what has been criticized is the recommendation to use (make-whatever-thing ...) instead of using make-instance. But keene definitively uses clos.
2014-11-01T21:50:17Z prxq: Ryan_Burnside: not currently
2014-11-01T21:50:41Z prxq: the future is a pretty big thing though
2014-11-01T21:51:54Z Ryan_Burnside: I guess, it does most things I need even has many modern features that are just now getting traction.
2014-11-01T21:52:17Z Ryan_Burnside: It is the implementations and libraries I worry most about.
2014-11-01T21:52:37Z Ryan_Burnside: That stuff has to be updated with each new OS.
2014-11-01T21:53:23Z prxq: having a standards commitee issuing regular standard updates is not necessarily a good thing. The languages that have it seem to have more trouble with it than it's worth.
2014-11-01T21:54:01Z prxq: Ryan_Burnside: that's happening. just not in the standard
2014-11-01T21:55:18Z Ryan_Burnside: Ideally they could unify things like socket handling. I think that is one of the things that is different between implementations. Perhaps it mostly just needs unification.
2014-11-01T21:55:24Z Ryan_Burnside: In a few small areas.
2014-11-01T21:55:44Z prxq: Ryan_Burnside: there are wrapper libs that do that fairly consistently and well
2014-11-01T21:56:58Z Ryan_Burnside: It is a good fix then.
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2014-11-01T22:30:33Z k-stz: About the standard changing: https://soundcloud.com/zach-beane/peter-seibel-common-lisp, a talk by peter seibel, iirc, explaining the legal angle etc. and it won't probably happen
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2014-11-01T23:08:42Z Ryan_Burnside: This Zach Beane guy seems to pop up a lot when looking at Lisp stuff. :)
2014-11-01T23:08:51Z Ryan_Burnside: Watching a modeling video on Mirai and there he is.
2014-11-01T23:11:48Z Xach: i put up a lot of stuff by other people
2014-11-01T23:12:40Z Xach is not bay raitt or peter seibel
2014-11-01T23:13:05Z stassats: are you sure?
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2014-11-01T23:13:39Z Xach: solipsistically speaking, no
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2014-11-01T23:24:29Z ack006: Xach: i remember you had problems loading CLX, any luck with that?
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2014-11-01T23:24:45Z ack006: Xach: the compile error i mean
2014-11-01T23:25:00Z Xach: Yes, I updated CLX to not have multiply-defined WITHOUT-INTERRUPTS in the file.
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2014-11-01T23:25:26Z ack006: Xach: ah. i see
2014-11-01T23:25:28Z stassats: clx just wanted to be tidy by not having style warnings
2014-11-01T23:25:32Z stassats: clx.. tidy.. haha
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2014-11-01T23:25:58Z ack006: Xach: i'm having problems loading it in cmucl (from quicklisp)
2014-11-01T23:26:14Z stassats: why are you using cmucl?
2014-11-01T23:26:22Z Xach: Virtue is its own punishment
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2014-11-01T23:26:30Z ack006: Xach: :-)
2014-11-01T23:26:44Z ack006: Xach: to test it for arch linux packaging
2014-11-01T23:26:45Z Xach: ack006: does the git version load?
2014-11-01T23:26:58Z ack006: Xach: i'll try
2014-11-01T23:27:14Z Ryan_Burnside: My mustache smells of pancakes. But I've not had pancakes.
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2014-11-01T23:27:21Z Ryan_Burnside: whoops wrong window sorry
2014-11-01T23:28:10Z Petit_Dejeuner_: Ryan_Burnside, Xach shows up in the PCL blurbs page. http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/blurbs.html
2014-11-01T23:28:49Z stassats: you mean on the cover?
2014-11-01T23:29:00Z Petit_Dejeuner_: Does he?
2014-11-01T23:29:04Z Petit_Dejeuner_: The back cover?
2014-11-01T23:29:10Z stassats: the front conver?
2014-11-01T23:29:25Z Petit_Dejeuner_: I had no idea.
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2014-11-01T23:29:50Z Petit_Dejeuner_: Oh wow, it IS there.
2014-11-01T23:30:03Z Ryan_Burnside: For a while I confused him with "Xah" an emacs user.
2014-11-01T23:30:06Z ack006: Xach: i was having trouble digging the source files out of the output.
2014-11-01T23:30:18Z ack006: Xach: resorted to: (let ((*break-on-signals* 'error)) (asdf:load-system 'clx :force t))
2014-11-01T23:30:26Z ack006: is there an easier way?
2014-11-01T23:30:49Z Xach: I don't know, sorry. The source files are fairly apparent on SBCL. I don't use CMUCL.
2014-11-01T23:31:04Z ack006: Xach: ok, thanks
2014-11-01T23:31:07Z Xach: Ryan_Burnside: that has happened to me many times. Xah and I are very different.
2014-11-01T23:31:29Z Ryan_Burnside: Only a 'c' apart.
2014-11-01T23:31:30Z Ryan_Burnside: :)
2014-11-01T23:31:58Z Ryan_Burnside: Probably doesn't help that many people who use CL also use Emacs.
2014-11-01T23:32:01Z Xach: there is another lispy hacker with a nickname of "axch"
2014-11-01T23:32:32Z Ryan_Burnside: https://github.com/axch
2014-11-01T23:32:42Z Petit_Dejeuner_: /nick Xash
2014-11-01T23:32:52Z Ryan_Burnside: Yes, he appears to have sprouted a beard from hacking exposure.
2014-11-01T23:33:07Z ack006: :-)
2014-11-01T23:33:15Z Xach: There is also someone in the same city as me, but no relation, named "Zachary Beane"
2014-11-01T23:33:27Z Xach: It causes no end of trouble at various offices and bureaus
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2014-11-01T23:35:19Z mood: ack006: Building StumpWM on Travis-CI also failed with CMUCL because of CLX: https://travis-ci.org/stumpwm/stumpwm/jobs/35806986
2014-11-01T23:36:48Z ack006: mood: aha
2014-11-01T23:37:00Z mood: The error there seems to be in dependent.lisp, in (defun fast-read-pixarray-24 ...)
2014-11-01T23:39:29Z stassats: is it kernel::%with-array-data, not kernel::with-array-data?
2014-11-01T23:40:57Z ack006:  KERNEL::WITH-ARRAY-DATA
2014-11-01T23:41:02Z stassats: no, LISP::WITH-ARRAY-DATA
2014-11-01T23:41:26Z ack006: i pasted from the eror message
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2014-11-01T23:49:52Z stassats: well, cmucl has its own clx
2014-11-01T23:49:58Z stassats: that's why it was never noticed
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2014-11-01T23:51:52Z ack006: how can i prevent cmucl from using the clx from quicklisp?
2014-11-01T23:52:15Z stassats: Xach: can you change kernel::with-array-data to lisp::with-array-data in with-underlying-simple-vector?
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2014-11-01T23:53:38Z mood: It also appears in COPY-BIT-RECT, twice
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2014-11-01T23:53:56Z Xach: I can't test. Can someone make all the needed changes and send me a patch?
2014-11-01T23:54:03Z Xach: or a pull request on github?
2014-11-01T23:54:18Z Xach: make the needed changes, and test
2014-11-01T23:54:30Z stassats: Xach: it's that way the cmucl version of clx
2014-11-01T23:54:38Z stassats: and it compiles, i'm not going to run it, though
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