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2014-10-21T02:54:37Z SidH__: Hello
2014-10-21T02:54:42Z SidH__: Had a question on cl-who
2014-10-21T02:54:55Z SidH__: Is it possible to generate a HTML comment using cl-who?
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2014-10-21T02:59:36Z pjb: With com.informatimago.common-lisp.html-generator.html it is possible.
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2014-10-21T03:01:45Z SidH__: hmmm..
2014-10-21T03:01:51Z SidH__: but not with cl-who..
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2014-10-21T03:02:20Z pjb: perhaps yes, using (str "<!-- comment -->") ; try it.
2014-10-21T03:02:30Z pjb: (inside with-html-output)
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2014-10-21T03:07:15Z SidH__: Yup. that was the first thing I tried. Gobbled up lines above it unfortunately.
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2014-10-21T03:08:42Z SidH__: odd. Works by just itself.
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2014-10-21T03:15:56Z SidH__: Ah! need to use with-html-output-to-string and not with-html-output
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2014-10-21T05:45:25Z orthecreedence: hey guys. does anyone know why i would get horrible segfaults when passing a cffi object created with '(:pointer (:struct my-type)) into a C function where '(:struct my-type) works great? this seems to happen in both windows and linux (ccl/sbcl/etc) and i dont know why
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2014-10-21T05:45:29Z orthecreedence: the c function is expecting a pointer
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2014-10-21T05:45:51Z orthecreedence: not a pass-by-value struct
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2014-10-21T05:46:22Z orthecreedence: the kicker is that *some* functions seem to take '(:pointer (:struct my-type)) just fine
2014-10-21T05:46:31Z orthecreedence: is there documentation somewhere explaining the difference?
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2014-10-21T05:46:49Z Zhivago: One should be passing a struct, the other a pointer to a struct.
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2014-10-21T05:47:16Z orthecreedence: that would be my exact guess
2014-10-21T05:47:28Z |3b|: are you sure you allocate a struct and not just a pointer to a struct?
2014-10-21T05:47:37Z orthecreedence: but the C function (looking at the source and docs) indicates it takes a pointer to a struct
2014-10-21T05:47:57Z |3b|: "created with '(:pointer ...)" sounds like you only allocated a pointer, but not anything for it to point to
2014-10-21T05:48:00Z orthecreedence: i am not sure what i'm allocating anymore, but i am sure what the c function is asking for
2014-10-21T05:48:42Z |3b|: everything you allocate with CFFI is represented by a pointer to that object
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2014-10-21T05:48:44Z orthecreedence: my understanding of (cffi:foreign-alloc '(:pointer (:struct my-type))) is that it allocates N bytes (N being the size of my-type), and returns a pointer to that memory
2014-10-21T05:48:55Z |3b|: no, that allocates a pointer
2014-10-21T05:49:06Z Zhivago: (And returns a pointer to that pointer)
2014-10-21T05:49:09Z |3b|: right
2014-10-21T05:49:15Z orthecreedence: no shit
2014-10-21T05:49:18Z orthecreedence: wow
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2014-10-21T05:49:29Z orthecreedence: that's confusing
2014-10-21T05:49:42Z orthecreedence: i thought they somehow started returning stack-allocated structures
2014-10-21T05:49:46Z |3b|: yeah, mixing languages tend to be :/
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2014-10-21T05:50:27Z orthecreedence: so if i was to do (mem-aref ...) on a '(:pointer (:struct ...)) the resulting value would be the pointer to the actual struct?
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2014-10-21T05:54:24Z orthecreedence: well, that blew my mind. thanks for the help
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2014-10-21T06:22:17Z billitch: err so where is #'DELETE-CLASS in CLOS ?
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2014-10-21T06:22:55Z billitch: or #'REMOVE-CLASS maybe
2014-10-21T06:23:38Z |3b|: just remove all references to it?
2014-10-21T06:23:39Z pjb: (setf (find-class 'class-name) nil)
2014-10-21T06:24:06Z |3b|: yeah, that sounds more likely
2014-10-21T06:25:02Z pjb: But indeed, you have to have all the other references to the class to be garbage collected: "if the new class given to setf is nil, the class association is removed (but the class object itself is not affected)."
2014-10-21T06:25:30Z pjb: (find-class 'class-name) is just one possible reference amongst others.
2014-10-21T06:26:00Z pjb: Notably, you can always do later: (setf (find-class 'class-name) (class-of some-instance)).
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2014-10-21T06:58:36Z H4ns: (setf (find-class 'foo) nil)
2014-10-21T06:59:11Z H4ns: that won't remove all instances, but it will make the class inaccessible by name so that you can define a new class of the same name.
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2014-10-21T07:08:21Z billitch: thanks pjb, H4ns that's what i wah looking for
2014-10-21T07:08:28Z billitch: was*
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2014-10-21T09:50:39Z Amadiro: This might be somewhat offtopic, but it doesn't look like hunchentoot doesn't have its own IRC-channel, so I hope you don't mind: I've exposed a folder in hunchentoot using '(create-folder-dispatcher-and-handler "/a/" "a/")', but I'd also like url.com/a/ to redirect to url.com/a/index.html in addition, for every folder in a/ recursively.
2014-10-21T09:50:58Z Amadiro: If somebody knows how to achieve this, give me a bump, I'd appreciate it.
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2014-10-21T09:51:55Z Grue`: create a dispatcher that redirects from */ to */index.html
2014-10-21T09:53:22Z Amadiro: Grue`, thanks for the hint. Would I use create-regex-dispatcher for that? I'n new to hunchentoot.
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2014-10-21T09:56:15Z H4ns: Amadiro: create-regex-dispatcher should work, yes.
2014-10-21T09:56:36Z Grue`: well, I'd probably look at the source of create-folder-dispatcher-and-handler and write something similar but handling urls that end with a slash
2014-10-21T09:58:36Z Amadiro: hmm, thanks, I'll look into it.
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2014-10-21T11:30:20Z i5um41ru: hi, would you like to tell me , why i have to learn lisp? AI
2014-10-21T11:30:22Z i5um41ru: ?
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2014-10-21T11:31:06Z H4ns: i5um41ru: you don't have to learn lisp.
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2014-10-21T11:34:20Z Shinmera: "Kein Mensch muss müssen."
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2014-10-21T11:42:10Z i5um41ru: H4ns: why?
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2014-10-21T11:45:12Z H4ns: i5um41ru: well, it is optional.  at least in my world.  if someone forces you to learn lisp, you should ask them why, not us.
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2014-10-21T14:02:01Z oleo: sbcl latest broke my slime: Symbol "CODE-TRACE-TABLE-OFFSET-SLOT" not found in the SB-VM package.
2014-10-21T14:03:27Z oleo: 1.2.4
2014-10-21T14:03:44Z oleo: compild via the binary 1.2.4 from the sources of 1.2.4
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2014-10-21T14:08:30Z |3b|: oleo: https://github.com/slime/slime/issues/168
2014-10-21T14:08:41Z |3b|: (in other words, update slime)
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2014-10-21T14:27:29Z oleo: thank you got it... but updating slime was not possible thru quicklisp, i got the repo myself....
2014-10-21T14:27:48Z oleo: weird
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2014-10-21T14:31:29Z |3b|: that was from june, quicklisp should have new enough slime
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2014-10-21T15:00:16Z Cymew: I just had to read that sentence twice. Enough new slime, yuck!
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2014-10-21T15:58:21Z beach: Good evening everyone!
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2014-10-21T15:59:32Z mikaelj: Hi beach!
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2014-10-21T16:01:49Z drmeister: Hello beach
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2014-10-21T16:03:52Z beach: I had this idea for SICL, but I am not sure it is going to work, and I am not sure how to express it.  The idea is to turn an existing implementation into something that looks more like SICL.  I would use the immediate data types from the host, and a host struct+vector for all heap-allocated objects.
2014-10-21T16:04:10Z beach: And I would use the first-class global environment from SICL.
2014-10-21T16:04:30Z beach: Primitive functions such as arithmetic would also be borrowed from the host.
2014-10-21T16:05:05Z beach: Others would probably be in the HIR flowchart form.
2014-10-21T16:05:41Z beach: If this works, I could debug huge parts of SICL without giving up my comfortable development environment.
2014-10-21T16:08:06Z beach: drmeister: Did you notice I renamed the intermediate representation?  What used to be called MIR is now called HIR (High-level...).  The reason is that what it will turn into looks more like what Muchnick calls MIR.
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2014-10-21T16:08:29Z drmeister: beach: Why not?  Clasp hosts the ECL Common Lisp source code on a completely rewritten core. So in a way it turns a second implementation of Lisp into ECL.
2014-10-21T16:09:04Z beach: drmeister: I started writing hir-to-mir for SICL.  You might look at it to get inspiration for your hir-to-llvm.
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2014-10-21T16:09:43Z beach: drmeister: Yeah, but sometimes I miss some essential detail.
2014-10-21T16:10:19Z drmeister: Yes, I saw that.
2014-10-21T16:11:04Z drmeister: So MIR will have different expressions from HIR?
2014-10-21T16:11:39Z beach: Yes, it will have memref/memset, raw arithmetic and such.
2014-10-21T16:11:49Z beach: More like more processors out there.
2014-10-21T16:11:55Z beach: And more like LLVM I suppose.
2014-10-21T16:12:36Z beach: And, although the notation is both implementation independent and backend independent, the choice of what instructions and what data to use depends on both.
2014-10-21T16:12:48Z drmeister: Got it.
2014-10-21T16:13:04Z drmeister: So is the S-expressions->AST->HIR part done(-ish)?
2014-10-21T16:13:07Z beach: So on SICL, CAR-INSTRUCTION turns into [MEMREF x -1]
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2014-10-21T16:13:24Z beach: drmeister: Yes.
2014-10-21T16:13:33Z drmeister: Hawt-diggidy dog!
2014-10-21T16:13:55Z beach: drmeister: A haven't had the energy to write all the tests yet, and some of the more exotic instructions still have to be written.
2014-10-21T16:15:26Z drmeister: Well, I need a few more days to finish up my NIH proposal to develop artificial antibodies for cancer detection and therapy (and that could be applied to any other disease) and then I'm free to start coding again.
2014-10-21T16:15:27Z beach: Oh, I should also make sure the code for escape analysis is in place.
2014-10-21T16:15:40Z beach: That will help you decide where to allocate variables.
2014-10-21T16:15:54Z drmeister: Yes, that would be good.
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2014-10-21T16:16:19Z beach: It is already written, but for SICL, before that part turned into Cleavir.
2014-10-21T16:16:31Z beach: It should work still, possibly with minor modifications.
2014-10-21T16:17:21Z drmeister: Well, I'll start pulling it in to Clasp and seeing how far I can go with it.  I'll have to figure out what packages I need to load to support Cleavir.
2014-10-21T16:17:32Z beach: Right.
2014-10-21T16:17:38Z beach: That should keep you busy for a while.
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2014-10-21T16:18:02Z drmeister: Yes, I plan to keep warm this winter using my laptop.
2014-10-21T16:19:29Z beach: I use my geothermal floor heating system with a heat pump for that.  I heat the house for 200€ per year. :)
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2014-10-21T16:22:22Z drmeister: I use compressed sawdust bricks made from waste wood from Amish carpenters.  That and "make -j6".
2014-10-21T16:22:46Z beach: Exotic!
2014-10-21T16:24:15Z beach: Oh, and after waffling back and forth for a year or so, I think I finally understood how to design the SICL global environment protocol.  It is embarrassingly straightforward.  I can't figure out why it took me so long.
2014-10-21T16:24:21Z drmeister: Yes, we are big on alternate fuels here.
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2014-10-21T16:25:16Z drmeister: Is it implemented in the current SICL repository, or are you still working on it.  It's probably the first thing I'll run into.
2014-10-21T16:25:44Z beach: I tried for the longest time to squeeze the standard Common Lisp functions into my model, and finally realized that I should implement the standard functions in terms of a new protocol.
2014-10-21T16:25:57Z beach: Oh, I always commit every 10 minutes or so, so it's in there.
2014-10-21T16:26:19Z drmeister: Tragically, being in Eastern Pennsylvania, my laptop is most likely coal powered.
2014-10-21T16:26:25Z beach: Well, all you need to worry about for now is the Cleavir side of things.
2014-10-21T16:26:48Z drmeister: I better run - I have to teach a class - back later.
2014-10-21T16:26:52Z beach: Cleavir tells you what methods you must put in place in order to use the form->AST translator.
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2014-10-21T16:27:26Z drmeister: Is there a graph drawing package for AST's as there are for HIR?
2014-10-21T16:27:35Z beach: Yes.
2014-10-21T16:27:44Z drmeister: Excellent.
2014-10-21T16:27:46Z drmeister: Back later.
2014-10-21T16:27:48Z beach: Might need updating, but it's there.
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2014-10-21T18:16:45Z josteink: I have a question which overlaps with #emacs (so asking both places)
2014-10-21T18:17:07Z jebes: shoot
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2014-10-21T18:17:33Z josteink: I want to be able to use emacs, to write common lisp, with autocomplete using company-mode
2014-10-21T18:17:45Z josteink: Ive loaded slime via quicklisp and slime-helper
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2014-10-21T18:17:54Z josteink: as Ive understood from wikis is the "normal" way of doing things
2014-10-21T18:18:11Z josteink: but if I try to pull in slime-company (slime autocompletion for company-mode)
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2014-10-21T18:18:20Z josteink: it pulls in another copy of slime from melpa
2014-10-21T18:18:25Z josteink: and I get a recursive load error
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2014-10-21T18:19:12Z jebes: sounds like you're just going to have to install slime-company yourself
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2014-10-21T18:19:18Z josteink: hmmm
2014-10-21T18:19:22Z josteink: out of interest
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2014-10-21T18:19:35Z josteink: what -does- the quicklisp provided slime-helper do which the emacs-package doesnt?
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2014-10-21T18:31:57Z stacksmith_: G'day.  I am writing a macro that takes the following parameters: 2 parameters, 2 &key parameters, and an indeterminate number of forms.  The first 4 are required. Is there a clean way to do that?
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2014-10-21T18:32:59Z stacksmith_: Since &rest has to come before &key, an odd number of forms at the end is a problem...
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2014-10-21T18:33:16Z Shinmera: (defmacro foo ((a b &key c d) &body forms) ..)
2014-10-21T18:33:34Z Shinmera: or whatever piques your fancy.
2014-10-21T18:33:54Z stacksmith_: Ah.  So &body takes the rest of the forms... Thanks.
2014-10-21T18:34:07Z Shinmera: &body is just like &rest
2014-10-21T18:34:14Z Shinmera: it only changes how slime handles the indentation
2014-10-21T18:34:31Z stacksmith_: I was having trouble putting rest at the end
2014-10-21T18:34:34Z Shinmera: The solution lies in the inner form.
2014-10-21T18:34:54Z stacksmith_: Yes, thanks.
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2014-10-21T18:41:21Z nyef: stacksmith_: Also note that even if a macro DOESN'T take any extra parameters, just a body of forms, as a form of future-proofing it's often (defmacro foo (() &body forms) ...) so that there's a required empty list that can later be extended with parameters without breaking existing uses.
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2014-10-21T18:46:03Z stacksmith_: nyef, Shinmera, thanks.  The above defmacro does not seem to work for (foo 1 2 :c 3 :d 4   5).  It works without the final 5.  As soon as I add extra forms, I get "bogus sublist FOO to satisfy lambda list ...
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2014-10-21T18:47:49Z nyef: stacksmith_: You forgot the parens surrounding the non-body forms.
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2014-10-21T18:48:42Z nyef: If you're taking an &body, everything BEFORE the body must be of a fixed length at toplevel, which means either fixed arguments or a destructured list.
2014-10-21T18:49:02Z nyef: (Well, not MUST because you can have optionals, but it's not smart to do so.)
2014-10-21T18:49:08Z stacksmith_: So I have to state (foo (1 2 :c 3 :d 4) 5)? To follow the inner form in the defmacro?
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2014-10-21T18:50:13Z mood: stacksmith_: yes
2014-10-21T18:51:08Z stacksmith_: Is there a way to avoid those parens?  I have four required parameters, so it seems there should be a way.
2014-10-21T18:51:48Z mood: stacksmith_: If the keyword arguments are required, why exactly are they keyword arguments?
2014-10-21T18:51:49Z nyef: You have two required parameters and two keyword parameters.
2014-10-21T18:52:00Z stacksmith_: Right.
2014-10-21T18:52:04Z josteink: victory is mine! woo
2014-10-21T18:52:12Z josteink has slime-based autocompletion in lisp-buffers
2014-10-21T18:52:34Z stacksmith_: After the first two arguments things get confusing, and the 3rd and 4th can come in any order.
2014-10-21T18:52:47Z josteink: and it really works. I wrote a macro to dynamically create new thingies which the "simple" completion engines wont be able to figure out. it works :)
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2014-10-21T18:53:52Z stacksmith_: nyef, I can take everything after the first two in &body, and bind the parameters manually in the macro, I suppose.  I just thought there was a simpler way.
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2014-10-21T18:54:31Z nyef: stacksmith_: And... Oh. You're trying to use this to parse someone else's format, aren't you?
2014-10-21T18:54:49Z nyef: Which would be part of why it's cutting against the grain of how CL works, wouldn't it?
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2014-10-21T18:57:03Z stacksmith_: nyef, almost... This particular macro is for a DSL, so I have some leeway.  The extra parens break the flow and bug me mostly.
2014-10-21T18:58:00Z nyef: Also note that it will break arglist-hinting.
2014-10-21T18:58:19Z stacksmith_: nyef, there are 2 required and 2 keyword parameters (:in and :out, for pins of a circuit), and a list of forms for other things.  I would like it to look as CL as possible, but not too cluttered...
2014-10-21T18:58:57Z nyef: (I once put together some macros where there was an optional argument before all of the required arguments. It broke arglist hinting and was clunky in implementation, but it did what I wanted.)
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2014-10-21T18:59:32Z stacksmith_: nyef, (module output nil :in (a b c) :out (d e) (inst ..) (inst ...))
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2014-10-21T19:00:13Z Grue`: stacksmith_: I would put the keyword args inside parens, and first 2 required outside
2014-10-21T19:00:18Z stacksmith_: nyef, that declares a module called 'output' with no module parameters, input and output pins, and a bunch of instances inside...
2014-10-21T19:00:30Z nyef: (module output (nil :in (a b c) :out (d e)) (inst ...) (inst ...)) or (module (output nil :in (a b c) :out (d e)) (inst ...) (inst ...))
2014-10-21T19:00:31Z Grue`: so it's (module output nil (:in ... :out ...) ...
2014-10-21T19:00:47Z nyef: Hrm.
2014-10-21T19:01:21Z stacksmith_: You see, I don't mind parens if they make sense but they don't really make sense to the user of the DSL
2014-10-21T19:01:29Z nyef: If you're defining (or declaring) something, shouldn't it be define-module?
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2014-10-21T19:02:15Z nyef: And if that NIL is an arglist, emphasize the listyness of it by using the () form of NIL instead.
2014-10-21T19:03:41Z stacksmith_: nyef, conceptually yes.  In practice, the (module xxx ...) macro creates a datastructure bound to the symbol 'xxx.
2014-10-21T19:03:53Z Grue`: also if all your body forms take form (inst ...) then you can manually parse if there's a keyword in body
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2014-10-21T19:04:44Z Grue`: postmodern has a few interfaces like this
2014-10-21T19:04:54Z stacksmith_: Grue`, the parsing inside the module is not an issue.  I just eval the &body...
2014-10-21T19:05:05Z Grue`: where some of body forms can actually be keyword parameters
2014-10-21T19:05:34Z stacksmith_: Grue, that is I eval the &body forms sequentially.
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2014-10-21T19:06:04Z Grue`: i don't know what you do to body, but you can search it for keyword parameters before you do anything to it
2014-10-21T19:06:21Z Grue`: and (pop) them out of it
2014-10-21T19:06:43Z stacksmith_: I actually want to be able to have the entire expressive power of CL inside the body.  So I just eval.
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2014-10-21T19:07:22Z murftown: Hey guys, I have a question.  I made a function (FIND-TAIL ITEM L) that's like FIND but it returns the whole tail of the list starting with the found item.  I found that I could use SETF to set the CAR or CDR of the result of FIND-TAIL and thereby destructively alter my list L.  However, I could not use SETF directly on the result of FIND-TAIL ("undefined function: (SETF FIND-TAIL)").  Is the list I am returning not a valid
2014-10-21T19:07:22Z murftown: "place"?  How can I modify the whole tail?
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2014-10-21T19:07:28Z oleo: are there any issues with iterate and sbcl-1.2.4 ?
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2014-10-21T19:07:41Z oleo: iterate-2.4 and the latest i got errors....
2014-10-21T19:07:43Z Grue`: murftown: have you heard of MEMBER
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2014-10-21T19:07:52Z oleo: 1.2.4 is no joy....
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2014-10-21T19:07:57Z oleo: i'm back to 1.2.0
2014-10-21T19:07:58Z murftown: Grue` have heard of it, I will check it out, thanks
2014-10-21T19:08:02Z oleo: uhuh
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2014-10-21T19:09:08Z stacksmith_: nyef, so am I right that you strongly recommend against manually forcing my proposed single-level syntax?
2014-10-21T19:09:38Z nyef: murftown: Or you can define (SETF FIND-TAIL) in one way or another (as a function or a setf-expansion, for example).
2014-10-21T19:09:43Z Grue`: murftown: to be able to (setf (some-function x) ...) there must be defined a function (setf some-function)
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2014-10-21T19:10:28Z White_Flame: murftown: what is (setf (find-tail ...) val) supposed to do?
2014-10-21T19:10:32Z murftown: Grue`: I gathered that there was some way to do that - very interesting, defining the setf function's combination with another function?
2014-10-21T19:10:44Z nyef: stacksmith_: I guess it depends on if your DSL is intended to act as lisp code as well as specialized data or not.
2014-10-21T19:10:50Z White_Flame: I'd think you'd want (setf (car (find-tail ...)) val) or something to modify the first value of the returned list, which would be valid
2014-10-21T19:11:24Z White_Flame: (but it would raise an error if find-tail returned nil)
2014-10-21T19:11:25Z Grue`: murftown: setf is not a function, it's a macro that does stuff depending on what the function "(setf some-function)" does (it's literal name is '(setf some-function))
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2014-10-21T19:12:02Z nyef: clhs 5.1
2014-10-21T19:12:03Z specbot: Generalized Reference: http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/05_a.htm
2014-10-21T19:12:08Z stacksmith_: nyef, the DSL is pretty contained, but I would like to use slime to edit it...
2014-10-21T19:12:16Z White_Flame: murftown: If your goal is to _replace_ a tail, then you need to change the cons cell before the found tail section
2014-10-21T19:12:37Z murftown: White_Flame: aha that does make sense
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2014-10-21T19:13:05Z nyef: murftown: SETF is a lot more involved than what's being said here and now. I recommend reading the CLHS sections about Generalized Reference for more details.
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2014-10-21T19:19:55Z murftown: nyef: thank you, do you know if it is true what White_Flame says, that with a "pointer" to a List there is no way to redefine it and thus modify the tail of the original list it was a part of?  (I'm pretty sure White_Flame is correct based on my understanding of cons-structures)
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2014-10-21T19:22:56Z nyef: Yes, White_Flame is correct in that respect.
2014-10-21T19:23:47Z Grue`: murftown: if your new tail has the same first element, then it's possible to replace just cdr of the found list
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2014-10-21T19:24:33Z murftown: Grue`: ok that is what I found too, so I need to return the prior cons cell as White_Flame said in order to be able to replace the whole tail
2014-10-21T19:25:10Z murftown: Grue`: and I see that my FIND-TAIL is unneeded since MEMBER already does the exact same thing
2014-10-21T19:27:23Z murftown: thanks guys!  also a bit off topic but is comp.lang.lisp worth checking out?  I've heard it's sometimes not very friendly but was curious nonetheless.  The people here at #lisp have been extremely helpful
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2014-10-21T20:28:14Z pjb: Just put gavino in your kill file and you'll be happy with cll.
2014-10-21T20:28:28Z murftown: pjb: right on
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2014-10-21T20:38:21Z JokesOnYou77: Hi all, I tried to define some basic helper functions in my .emacs file, but they don't seem to be available when I start slime.  Where can I define functions so they are loaded when I start slime?
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2014-10-21T20:40:26Z wasamasa: hmm, sounds rather like a problem for #emacs
2014-10-21T20:40:32Z wasamasa: also, don't forget pasting your init file
2014-10-21T20:43:09Z _death: I think you want ~/.swank.lisp
2014-10-21T20:43:15Z JokesOnYou77: My init file?
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2014-10-21T20:43:45Z wasamasa: _death: oh right, could of course be he's mixing up CL with elisp :P
2014-10-21T20:43:58Z wasamasa: JokesOnYou77: are those helper functions written in common lisp or elisp?
2014-10-21T20:44:04Z josteink: JokesOnYou77: I use sbcl and paste anything I need in sbcl's init-file
2014-10-21T20:44:12Z josteink: including stuff like quicklisp
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2014-10-21T20:44:26Z wasamasa: JokesOnYou77: if they're common lisp, they obviously don't go into the emacs config :P
2014-10-21T20:45:04Z JokesOnYou77: Common lisp.  BUt I'm running on a LispWorks image so I don't think I get the benefit of the .lispworks file.
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2014-10-21T20:46:37Z JokesOnYou77: If that .swank file would let me do across different lisps that would be really great, cause I do use sbcl on occasion
2014-10-21T20:47:20Z ack006: JokesOnYou77: perhaps you can make the slime repl type out the functions for you :-)
2014-10-21T20:47:38Z ack006: JokesOnYou77: i.e. script it from emacs
2014-10-21T20:48:01Z JokesOnYou77: O.O
2014-10-21T20:48:50Z ack006: JokesOnYou77: you asked for the functions to be loaded after you start slime (by which i think you mean the repl, not slime-mode for some lisp file)
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2014-10-21T20:49:34Z ack006: JokesOnYou77: my suggestion: have emacs put your function defs in slime's repl buffer and have them eval'ed by the inferior lisp
2014-10-21T20:49:39Z JokesOnYou77: ack006, yes, I do mean the REPL.
2014-10-21T20:50:05Z JokesOnYou77: ack006, That sounds complicated, but awesome.
2014-10-21T20:51:11Z ack006: JokesOnYou77: nothing more difficult than making emacs execute a keyboard macro once slime repl is up
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2014-10-21T20:52:05Z _death: JokesOnYou77: http://common-lisp.net/project/slime/doc/html/Lisp_002dside.html#Lisp_002dside
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2014-10-21T20:54:03Z JokesOnYou77: _death, ty!
2014-10-21T20:54:07Z JokesOnYou77: And thank you all!
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2014-10-21T20:54:40Z ack006: JokesOnYou77: :-)
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2014-10-21T21:54:42Z zehdeh: http://paste.lisp.org/display/144120
2014-10-21T21:54:56Z zehdeh: Is there a way to make the member work?
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2014-10-21T21:58:15Z Bike: zehdeh: do you understand why it doesn't?
2014-10-21T21:58:58Z zehdeh: because in the list it appears as a symbol
2014-10-21T21:59:22Z Bike: Right.
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2014-10-21T21:59:41Z Bike: So, you want to make building_b so that its list of neighbors includes building_a, not the symbol BUILDING_A.
2014-10-21T21:59:53Z Bike: (setf building_b (make_building "Building B" (list building_a)))
2014-10-21T22:00:44Z zehdeh: Ah right..or I could just quote to do the member-check
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2014-10-21T23:05:05Z pillton: zehdeh: It is ok for symbols to contain hyphens.
2014-10-21T23:06:54Z pillton: minion: tell zehdeh about paredit
2014-10-21T23:06:55Z minion: zehdeh: please look at paredit: a set of Emacs commands, with a minor mode for convenient access to them, for editing balanced S-expressions and a number of higher-level operations on S-expressions, at <http://mumble.net/~campbell/emacs/paredit.el>; see also the #paredit channel
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2014-10-21T23:59:51Z JokesOnYou77: Does the ~T FORMAT directive take an argument?  If I just (format t "foo:~Tbar") will it move bar over into the next column?