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2014-10-20T01:57:07Z axion: a while ago someone gave me a link about floating point math in general with lots of equations and whatnot. anyone remember the name or link?
2014-10-20T01:57:45Z Bike: http://floating-point-gui.de/ ?
2014-10-20T01:57:56Z Bike: or the link to "a long article with lots of formulas" therein
2014-10-20T01:58:26Z axion: that link was it, thanks :)
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2014-10-20T13:59:36Z orthecreedence: hi everyone, cffi question
2014-10-20T13:59:59Z orthecreedence: it seems some implementations now allow getting structs by value from c functions
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2014-10-20T14:00:18Z orthecreedence: is there a way to get a *pointer* to a stack-allocated struct?
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2014-10-20T14:00:38Z stassats: it doesn't matter where the structure is allocated
2014-10-20T14:00:46Z stassats: only "when" matters in that case
2014-10-20T14:01:30Z orthecreedence: hmm
2014-10-20T14:01:53Z orthecreedence: that's what i thought, but i'm just getting weird errors from it
2014-10-20T14:02:38Z orthecreedence: so basically in libuv, the uv_buf_init function returns a stack allocated uv_buf object, but all the functions in libuv that use a uv_buf take a reference to it
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2014-10-20T14:03:00Z orthecreedence: passing the object directly given back by uv_buf_init into these functions (specifically uv_write) fails
2014-10-20T14:03:12Z orthecreedence: "bad address in system call argument"
2014-10-20T14:03:30Z orthecreedence: but when manually allocating the object in the heap, it seems to work fine
2014-10-20T14:03:36Z stassats: "return" and "stack allocated" doesn't go nice together
2014-10-20T14:03:50Z orthecreedence: yeah, usually it just segfaults
2014-10-20T14:04:01Z orthecreedence: but i'm guessing newer versions of cffi/ccl are handling it nicer
2014-10-20T14:04:09Z orthecreedence: or maybe i'm wrong
2014-10-20T14:04:19Z orthecreedence: maybe they silently ignore it
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2014-10-20T14:09:51Z dlowe: yeah, it seems unlikely that it would return a stack allocated uv_buf object. You sure it isn't declared static inside the function?
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2014-10-20T14:10:30Z dlowe: if so, it would be in the global data segment of the library
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2014-10-20T14:14:47Z ggole: uv_buf_init returns a uv_buf_t by value.
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2014-10-20T14:17:10Z dlowe: ah, that makes more sense
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2014-10-20T14:45:07Z hitecnologys: Greetings, people.
2014-10-20T14:45:20Z hitecnologys: Are there any alive libraries/pieces of code that provide cron-like functionality? CL-cron is dead and download link is broken. Does anybody happen to have its sources? I'm just interested in what is a proper way of implementing such a thing. First thing that comes to my mind is to schedule times that run each minute but is it the only way?
2014-10-20T14:45:53Z dlowe: hitecnologys: what is "cron-like functionality"?
2014-10-20T14:45:56Z Shinmera: CLON still exists
2014-10-20T14:46:09Z dlowe: you want to run a shell script at regular intervals defined by a text file?
2014-10-20T14:46:11Z hitecnologys: dlowe: scheduler that can run tasks at specific times.
2014-10-20T14:46:24Z hitecnologys: dlowe: not really. It's rather a function that I want to run.
2014-10-20T14:46:45Z dlowe: hitecnologys: You could start a thread that calculates the time remaining and sleeps for that period of time
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2014-10-20T14:47:13Z dlowe: iolib has scheduled callbacks
2014-10-20T14:47:15Z hitecnologys: Shinmera: found it. Will take look into that, thanks.
2014-10-20T14:47:23Z dlowe: but you have to buy into the iolib multiplexer
2014-10-20T14:47:26Z hitecnologys: dlowe: wouldn't that be unaccurate?
2014-10-20T14:47:29Z Shinmera: iirc CLON does nothing more than what dlowe mentioned though.
2014-10-20T14:47:40Z Shinmera: with some fancy parsing and syntax to abstract it away
2014-10-20T14:48:01Z dlowe: hitecnologys: it depends on how much accuracy you need, doesn't it
2014-10-20T14:48:09Z stassats: (time (sleep 10)) => suspend, resume => 26.260 seconds of real time
2014-10-20T14:48:10Z hitecnologys: stassats: what is "suspend"?
2014-10-20T14:48:17Z stassats: but the bit i like most: -70,295,995,367,919 processor cycles
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2014-10-20T14:48:49Z fe[nl]ix: hahaha
2014-10-20T14:48:59Z hitecnologys: dlowe: yes, you're right. I'm just trying to evade spawning unnecessary threads.
2014-10-20T14:49:13Z hitecnologys: dlowe: but it seems like it's the most sane solution.
2014-10-20T14:49:21Z dlowe: hitecnologys: if you don't want to spawn threads, then you've got iolib
2014-10-20T14:49:48Z dlowe: hitecnologys: sane as long as the thing your scheduled function touches is thread-safe
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2014-10-20T14:50:06Z fe[nl]ix: a CL scheduler library would be awesome
2014-10-20T14:50:22Z dlowe: oh, the serve-event framework does that too, I think
2014-10-20T14:50:33Z dlowe: not sure what its status is on sbcl, though
2014-10-20T14:50:37Z hitecnologys: dlowe: scheduler is supposed to spawn events that are processed by event handler which then executes code bound to event. It's thread-safe, I suppose.
2014-10-20T14:50:58Z fe[nl]ix: a coworker has recently been working with Quartz(Java) and that's a very nice library
2014-10-20T14:51:00Z dlowe: hitecnologys: that doesn't *sound* thread-safe by default
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2014-10-20T14:51:51Z hitecnologys: dlowe: event's aren't written anywhere and code that is executed doesn't modify the same thing.
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2014-10-20T14:52:14Z dlowe: you have an event queue that the handler pops off of?
2014-10-20T14:52:33Z hitecnologys: dlowe: events are instances of classes and event handler is generic function that dispatches on them.
2014-10-20T14:52:45Z hitecnologys: dlowe: it's not very efficient but it frees me from locks.
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2014-10-20T14:53:12Z dlowe: so if your scheduler thing fires off, the entire response is going to be in the scheduled thread?
2014-10-20T14:53:35Z hitecnologys: I guess. But it's not like things are going to be run every minute.
2014-10-20T14:54:07Z dlowe: and no code, now or in the future, is going to be writing and reading a shared piece of state?
2014-10-20T14:54:17Z dlowe: if that's so, I guess you're fine.
2014-10-20T14:54:46Z hitecnologys: I don't think so. Even if it will, I can add locking in dispatching code.
2014-10-20T14:55:09Z hitecnologys: If that turns out to be messy, I can always switch to queues.
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2014-10-20T14:56:18Z hitecnologys: Alright then, thanks for help.
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2014-10-20T18:13:02Z work_op: are there any good libraries that handle git or svn? im aiming to build a wiki-type thing, but something lightweight would be nice
2014-10-20T18:14:43Z nyef: I believe that Xach does a couple of things with git from Lisp, but for all I know it could be as simple as (run-program "git") for clone, pull, and whatnot.
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2014-10-20T18:15:35Z nyef: Other than that, have you tried a quicklisp system-apropos (or whatever it's called) for references to git?
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2014-10-20T18:16:42Z work_op: no im at school right now, just wondering if i should just write a tool to diff with and hack something up around redis or use someone elses
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2014-10-20T18:19:14Z splittist: There's http://ikiwiki.info/
2014-10-20T18:19:46Z Grue`: there are also existing diff libraries for CL
2014-10-20T18:20:07Z Grue`: http://www.cliki.net/cl-difflib http://www.cliki.net/diff
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2014-10-20T18:21:35Z Xach: I use run-program. There are a couple git-related embryonic protocol/data-format libraries but nothing mature that I know of.
2014-10-20T18:22:00Z work_op: cl-difflib seems to fit my needs
2014-10-20T18:22:45Z Grue`: best way integrating with git would be probably calling this https://libgit2.github.com/ with CFFI
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2014-10-20T18:25:08Z drewc: that is what I do
2014-10-20T18:26:01Z drewc: and I also use http://www.cliki.net/diff ... or my hack of diff.lisp rather
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2014-10-20T18:30:04Z work_op: yeah, thats what ill do. i dont wanna use some garbage off of quicklisp and have to fool around with that
2014-10-20T18:30:26Z pegu: btw, did anybody make a ffi interface to libgit2?
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2014-10-20T18:32:52Z fortitude: does anybody know if the order of actions returned by asdf:component-depends-on matters?
2014-10-20T18:33:14Z fortitude: didn't seem to be mentioned in the manual or fare's article so far
2014-10-20T18:33:23Z Grue`: read the source
2014-10-20T18:33:50Z fortitude: Grue`: I could, but "it's in the source code" and "it's an api guarantee" aren't the same
2014-10-20T18:33:51Z Grue`: best way to learn what asdf or uiop does
2014-10-20T18:34:00Z fortitude: and I don't really want my build system to break if asdf gets another update
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2014-10-20T18:35:04Z nyef: Some part of me is saying "if you're worried about it breaking, you're reaching too far into your bag of tricks".
2014-10-20T18:35:43Z fortitude: nyef: probably; I'm actually using it to build non-lisp code, which is also probably too far into my bag of tricks
2014-10-20T18:35:59Z fortitude: it's working right now, but some careful dependency management would make it a lot faster
2014-10-20T18:36:03Z nyef: Alas, poor GNU Make, I knew thee well.
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2014-10-20T18:49:35Z theseb: Clojure uses different syntax for different data structions like brackets and braces....is this the 1st lisp that ever tried that?
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2014-10-20T18:49:44Z theseb: did common lisp ever consider that?
2014-10-20T18:49:50Z theseb: i know CL and do anything w/ macros
2014-10-20T18:50:04Z Bike: uh, well we have #(...) for vectors, so yeah i guess
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2014-10-20T18:50:34Z theseb: Bike: yes but that still uses parens
2014-10-20T18:50:43Z |3b|: "first lisp to do X" is probably hard to quantify, there are a /lot/ of lisps if you count all the random experiments people do
2014-10-20T18:50:45Z Bike: i really don't think that's very important
2014-10-20T18:51:01Z theseb: Bike: with [] or {} your code is an epsilon smaller :)
2014-10-20T18:51:13Z theseb: a nanometer less code
2014-10-20T18:51:19Z Bike: oh boy, i love brainfuck golfing
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2014-10-20T18:52:49Z Nilly: some lisp I used on a PDP20 used ] to mean close up all the parens. But since emacs already existed I thought it was bogus.
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2014-10-20T18:54:05Z nyef: The "super-close-paren" thing shows up every so often, yes.
2014-10-20T18:54:07Z theseb: Nilly: oh hey....that reminded me...the other day i was really noticing Emacs Lisp was showing its age.....there's talk of porting Emacs to Scheme or CL...that would be nice
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2014-10-20T18:54:52Z work_op: would you guys recommend norvig's AIMA over his PAIP?
2014-10-20T18:55:33Z theseb: are we SOL if we expect people to know the 411 on that?
2014-10-20T18:56:26Z pegu: 2
2014-10-20T18:56:31Z Nilly: It's been done a number of times, in different ways, a subltly or magnimously failing. (lice, hemlock, zmacs, ...)
2014-10-20T18:57:08Z Nilly: *a -> all
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2014-10-20T18:57:29Z nyef: work_op: It depends. AIMA is more AI-focused, while PAIP is more programming-in-lisp focused with GOFAI as a source of projects.
2014-10-20T18:57:44Z theseb: Nilly: hmm...
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2014-10-20T18:57:56Z work_op: oh.... so that means i should read both
2014-10-20T18:58:08Z nyef: AIMA is all agent this, probabilistic that, first-order predicate calculus the other...
2014-10-20T18:58:19Z theseb: yikes
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2014-10-20T19:05:33Z rme: work_op: I view PAIP as being primarily about programming in Common Lisp.  It uses some historically important problems and techniques from the AI field as vehicle for that.  I think it is a good book for an intermediate-level CL programmer to read.
2014-10-20T19:06:10Z rme: Oh bother, it looks like work_op left.
2014-10-20T19:06:20Z nyef: AIMA is also fairly language-independent. There's no actual code in the book, it's all "algorithms" expressed as pseudocode at best.
2014-10-20T19:08:11Z theseb: Nilly: wait....Templeton has got Guile Emacs basically WORKING *now*
2014-10-20T19:08:24Z theseb: welcome to non-vaporware ports!
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2014-10-20T19:15:03Z Nilly: theseb: Unfortunately, hemlock, climacs, and edwin, and DrRacket are also working now, but don't seem to be poised to replace GNU emacs.
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2014-10-20T19:16:06Z theseb: Nilly: wait....Guile Emacs is not a *clone* or competitor to Emacs.....he's trying to run the same 30 years of elisp code on a guile runtime with an elisp shim
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2014-10-20T19:22:33Z Nilly: theseb: ... trying Guile emacs with my 100k+ .emacs
2014-10-20T19:22:54Z theseb: Nilly: you're building it now?
2014-10-20T19:23:18Z Nilly: theseb: Trying... :)
2014-10-20T19:23:56Z theseb: Nilly: it kinda reminds me of the linux kernel pre-1.0 in that....in works for most cases but it just needs a lot of smoothing of the rough edges
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2014-10-20T19:24:15Z theseb: Nilly: but smoothing of edges is exactly what FOSS community is good at
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2014-10-20T19:32:05Z pjb: theseb: I'd argue for the same thing, but with CL: implement all the C emacs code in CL.  We just don't have the resources to rewrite the elisp code (even if it would result in a tenfold reduction in lisp code size).
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2014-10-20T19:32:35Z pjb: theseb: but writing C -> CL is at least a 30x size reduction, and it's "just" a byte-code VM and library routines.
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2014-10-20T19:34:11Z nyef: Almost sounds like something that a determined hacker could bodge an initial version of together over a series of weekends.
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2014-10-20T19:34:59Z theseb: pjb: no!!! i don't know why this misunderstanding persists.....Guile Emacs isn't rewriting anything....he's *implementing* the Elisp language in scheme so the SAME ELISP code can run on Guile with a tiny shim
2014-10-20T19:36:06Z theseb: pjb: the GNU project think different languages like javascript and python and CL can be compiled down to guile....so that means you could write emacs stuff in CL still
2014-10-20T19:36:15Z theseb: with Guile Emacs
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2014-10-20T19:41:01Z wasamasa: Nilly: 100k+?
2014-10-20T19:41:03Z wasamasa: Nilly: jeez
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2014-10-20T19:41:09Z wasamasa: Nilly: is it online?
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2014-10-20T19:46:32Z pjb: theseb: originally, they would have been compiled to the emacs VM :-)
2014-10-20T19:47:48Z stacksmith_: Xach are you around?
2014-10-20T19:48:09Z pjb: But indeed, it may be more efficient to just compiler emacs lisp to CL, both in programmer time and code speed. Some provision for cache-compiling "non-compiled" emacs functions (lambda sexps).
2014-10-20T19:48:29Z pjb: The biggest part would be the emacs library.
2014-10-20T19:51:02Z theseb: pjb: bytecode compatibility?...not sure that is a goal or necessary.......if guile + some libraries can run elisp source that is good enough
2014-10-20T19:51:56Z theseb: pjb: i think the reason guile was chosen is that you still get CL thrown in since a vision of guile was to have different languages like javascript compile down to it
2014-10-20T19:52:09Z theseb: pjb: so yes..that would mean you could write emacs extensions in javascript
2014-10-20T19:52:10Z theseb: :)
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2014-10-20T19:56:22Z Nilly: wasamasa: no, unfortunately i'd have to redact much personal history and cussing. Also, there are many .emacs's online that are far more entertaining.
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2014-10-20T19:59:50Z Xach: stacksmith_: was ist los?
2014-10-20T20:01:07Z stacksmith_: I noticed your question earlier... Yes, I had asteroids start right up, and I hope it doesn't mess you up.
2014-10-20T20:01:08Z theseb: Nilly: wow
2014-10-20T20:01:11Z pjb: theseb: the vision of CL is to have different languages like javascript, pythong, compile down to it.
2014-10-20T20:01:13Z theseb: Nilly: that's hardcore
2014-10-20T20:01:25Z theseb: pjb: really?
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2014-10-20T20:01:42Z pjb: theseb: fetch the CL implementation of javascript in the sources of netscape, update them.  ql:quickload cl-python, etc.
2014-10-20T20:02:04Z theseb: pjb: well then that would be fine too...then it seems like it really doesn't matter whether guile or CL is used ...now it just depends what hacker gets there first
2014-10-20T20:02:07Z stacksmith_: Xach, sorry, my previous comment was for you.
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2014-10-20T20:03:05Z Xach: stacksmith_: I missed it. Which comment?
2014-10-20T20:03:16Z Xach: oh, ok
2014-10-20T20:03:25Z Xach: stacksmith_: yes, it causes problems for me.
2014-10-20T20:03:34Z Xach: It crashes because my build system is not running with a display.
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2014-10-20T20:03:57Z Xach: pjb: there is already a fully functional javascript implementation in quicklisp.
2014-10-20T20:04:01Z stacksmith_: Xach, apologies.  Is there anything to be done now?
2014-10-20T20:04:03Z Xach: pjb: it is a few generations slower than state-of-the-art
2014-10-20T20:04:18Z pjb: Xach: I wouldn't say fully functional.  It was an early prototype.
2014-10-20T20:04:21Z Xach: stacksmith_: I don't know. Usually things like that start up with a command.
2014-10-20T20:04:36Z Xach: pjb: You have tried cl-js and found it wanting?
2014-10-20T20:04:47Z Xach: sorry, "js"
2014-10-20T20:04:47Z stacksmith_: Xach, I mean to make your life easier.
2014-10-20T20:04:54Z pjb: I mean, in netscape sources. I don't know about cl-js.
2014-10-20T20:05:15Z oleo: pjb: you use maxima by chance ?
2014-10-20T20:05:25Z pjb: I've run it a couple of times :-)
2014-10-20T20:05:26Z Xach: pjb: http://marijnhaverbeke.nl/cl-javascript/
2014-10-20T20:05:46Z Xach: pjb: it is a fully-working (but not cutting-edge fast) js in cl.
2014-10-20T20:05:55Z pjb: Nice.
2014-10-20T20:06:12Z oleo: pjb: i have a problem getting lisp side functions to the maxima side http://paste.lisp.org/display/144100#2
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2014-10-20T20:07:57Z oleo: pjb: i want defining on the lisp side and calling it on the maxima side
2014-10-20T20:08:16Z oleo: seems i have todo more work.....
2014-10-20T20:08:48Z pjb: oleo: http://fraktal.republika.pl/maxima_lisp.html
2014-10-20T20:08:54Z pjb: seems you want the third option.
2014-10-20T20:09:22Z oleo: oww thank you for the link :)
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2014-10-20T20:10:40Z oleo: ah wait i got that link already, my problem is calling my compiled function like pairs([1, 2, 3]) which barfs at me ofc, not when i use my handmade one
2014-10-20T20:10:55Z oleo: which is on the maxima side anyway
2014-10-20T20:11:29Z oleo: tried to debug and it tells me first 2 is not of type list.....
2014-10-20T20:11:41Z Xach: stacksmith_: if you want to make my life easier, make asteroids start when you do something like (asteroids:asteroids) or (asteroids:run) or (asteroids:game) or something like that
2014-10-20T20:11:48Z Xach: stacksmith_: but not immediately on loading the system
2014-10-20T20:11:56Z oleo: so i have todo form conversion too ?
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2014-10-20T20:13:12Z pjb: oleo: try to call a (defun test (&rest args) (map nil 'print (mapcar 'type-of args))) first.
2014-10-20T20:13:37Z pjb: It's possible that some maxima types are not translated to lisp types.
2014-10-20T20:13:43Z stacksmith_: Xach, I will fix it immediately.
2014-10-20T20:14:11Z oleo: aha
2014-10-20T20:14:34Z stacksmith_: Xach, it seemed like a good idea at the time (since generally you just want to play the game), but I see the idiocy of what I did.
2014-10-20T20:15:44Z dlowe: idea: we should have a standard run operation for asdf
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2014-10-20T20:15:53Z dlowe: (asdf:run-system 'asteroids)
2014-10-20T20:16:39Z stacksmith_: dlowe, yes... Sometimes you just want to run the damn thing...
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2014-10-20T20:16:52Z nyef: What does it mean to "run" cl-ppcre or ironclad or some other system that isn't actually a full program?
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2014-10-20T20:17:49Z stacksmith_: nyef, run-system should probably invoke #'run in a system...
2014-10-20T20:18:04Z stacksmith_: nyef, if there is such a thing...
2014-10-20T20:18:05Z dlowe: nyef: what does it mean to "test" something without tests?
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2014-10-20T20:18:15Z dlowe: yet we have a test operation
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2014-10-20T20:18:35Z pjb: oleo: http://paste.lisp.org/+336V
2014-10-20T20:18:46Z Grue`: I would just write a function dumping the image that runs the game at startup
2014-10-20T20:19:06Z dlowe: I'm fine with signaling a no-such-operation-defined error
2014-10-20T20:19:09Z Grue`: which is what I did when I was writing games
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2014-10-20T20:19:44Z nyef: Fair enough, I guess, though I already have enough trouble with the idea of building and running tests in the same image that also builds the overall system.
2014-10-20T20:19:59Z Alfr: dlowe, all tests passed. :)
2014-10-20T20:20:06Z nyef: For the test suite, I very likely want code-coverage information. For the full system I very likely DON'T.
2014-10-20T20:20:31Z dlowe: for the production system, you mean?
2014-10-20T20:21:03Z dlowe: you can set that stuff up in your test-op method
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2014-10-20T20:21:54Z nyef: Mmm. Separate FASLs, making sure that the system build cleanly without dependency issues, and so on?
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2014-10-20T20:22:41Z dlowe: you can specify separate fasl cache directories for those.
2014-10-20T20:22:45Z nyef: Hrm.
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2014-10-20T20:52:10Z puchacz: hi, is there any way to monitor lparallel activities?
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2014-10-20T21:03:00Z AeroNotix: puchacz: define monitor
2014-10-20T21:03:46Z puchacz: well, something is not working sometimes. I think my program submit tasks but nothing is happening in GUI
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2014-10-20T21:03:59Z puchacz: if I could be more specific, I wouldn't need to "monitor"
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2014-10-20T21:07:31Z puchacz: an ideal, helpful answer might be like: log values of these specials and these slots in these objects periodically, or add a handler to specific events etc.
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2014-10-20T21:08:50Z puchacz: AeroNotix: do you know anything about lparallel?
2014-10-20T21:09:17Z AeroNotix: puchacz: yes I've used it a few times.
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2014-10-20T21:09:54Z AeroNotix: I don't see what lparallel has to do with a GUI though
2014-10-20T21:09:57Z puchacz: AeroNotix: so did you add any logging or anything to it?
2014-10-20T21:10:01Z AeroNotix: you may have to post some code
2014-10-20T21:10:04Z puchacz: geez, my program has GUI
2014-10-20T21:10:09Z puchacz: not lparallel
2014-10-20T21:10:11Z AeroNotix: puchacz: yeah I don't feel like heling
2014-10-20T21:10:14Z AeroNotix: good luck!
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2014-10-20T21:12:51Z puchacz: I see you don't
2014-10-20T21:13:36Z AeroNotix: puchacz: protip: leave the attitude out and people might be willing to help! :)
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2014-10-20T21:36:52Z faheem___: In case anyone cares, the link to the road to lisp survey page is broken.
2014-10-20T21:36:55Z faheem___: http://wiki.alu.org/The%20Road%20to%20Lisp%20Survey
2014-10-20T21:37:03Z faheem___: maybe i should report it somewhere
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2014-10-20T23:33:34Z gabriel_laddel: (uiop::run-program "curl -O http://beta.quicklisp.org/quicklisp.lisp > /tmp/quicklisp.lisp") ;; produces an empty file quicklisp.lisp? I'm not seeing anything in run-program's documentation that would cause this. what am I missing here?
2014-10-20T23:34:14Z Xach: gabriel_laddel: -O downloads to an output file
2014-10-20T23:34:21Z Xach: gabriel_laddel: omit -O or omit the > bit
2014-10-20T23:35:12Z gabriel_laddel: Xach: ty.
2014-10-20T23:35:26Z nyef: ... I wouldn't have expected shell redirection to work with a RUN-PROGRAM function. Is UIOP really that clever?
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2014-10-20T23:39:10Z Xach: "clever"
2014-10-20T23:39:35Z Xach: nyef: It does something like system() underneath in some circumstances
2014-10-20T23:39:46Z nyef: Ah, fair enough.
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