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Did you remember to save your file before running it? 2014-10-19T03:21:03Z phao: I'm pasting this directly into the repl 2014-10-19T03:21:06Z beach: phao: Line 5 has too many closing parentheses. 2014-10-19T03:21:24Z phao: ahh 2014-10-19T03:21:28Z beach: phao: You will see that if you indent the code. 2014-10-19T03:21:29Z phao: crappy text editor =D 2014-10-19T03:21:30Z nyef: Ah, yes. 2014-10-19T03:21:52Z beach: phao: Please do not use a crappy text editor. 2014-10-19T03:21:52Z nyef: Okay, that'd possibly cause the PROGN to snap out as well. 2014-10-19T03:21:59Z nyef: minion: advice on indent 2014-10-19T03:21:59Z minion: #11918: Well, then get one that *does* do auto-indent. You can't do good work with bad tools. 2014-10-19T03:22:01Z phao: =D 2014-10-19T03:22:59Z phao: beach, the text editor is actually good 2014-10-19T03:23:04Z phao: it's just not in the lisp syntax mode. 2014-10-19T03:23:51Z beach: phao: I am sorry to say this, but by not using a good tool for Lisp, you are making this a problem for others, by making them count parentheses in your code. 2014-10-19T03:24:04Z phao: yeah... =( 2014-10-19T03:24:39Z beach: nyef: Thanks for the remarks about the HIR page. I'll see what I can do about it later. 2014-10-19T03:25:11Z moore33 quit 2014-10-19T03:31:10Z bb010g quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) 2014-10-19T03:31:17Z nyef: Otherwise, looks reasonably solid so far. 2014-10-19T03:32:13Z beach: Better now? http://metamodular.com/HIR-Examples/index.html 2014-10-19T03:33:41Z nyef: Better, yes. 2014-10-19T03:34:19Z nyef: I think it might do with an explicit disclaimer about the difference between the nature of the graph itself and how it is formatted for visual output, though. 2014-10-19T03:34:49Z huza quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2014-10-19T03:34:59Z nyef: Essentially, all of the "white boxes", "blue dashed arrows" and whatnot are surface syntax, not "deep syntax". 2014-10-19T03:35:48Z beach: I'll try to think about something to write. 2014-10-19T03:36:13Z nyef: Maybe something about "when formatted for visual output..."? 2014-10-19T03:36:26Z beach: Yeah, I see what you mean. 2014-10-19T03:38:59Z beach: It is so obvious to me that I am having a hard time figuring out what a person seeing that page might think, other than what I intended. 2014-10-19T03:39:44Z beach: I mean, nobody can seriously think that the INSTRUCTION class has a reader named BLUE-ARROWS I hope. 2014-10-19T03:39:46Z nyef: Which is an effect that I'm sure you're used to by now. 2014-10-19T03:39:55Z Mon_Ouie quit (Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1) 2014-10-19T03:40:14Z beach: I guess you are right. 2014-10-19T03:40:36Z nyef: Right, that seems more than a little far-fetched. On the other hand, because it is the FIRST thing that came to mind it means that I'm having to try and puzzle out what you really intended. 2014-10-19T03:40:54Z beach: I understand. 2014-10-19T03:41:23Z nyef: Do you, or am I, too, having trouble expressing what I mean? 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There are a lot of negative fashion-driven social forces in schools. 2014-10-19T05:13:20Z pjb: You mean, at university level too? 2014-10-19T05:13:26Z beach: No 2014-10-19T05:13:47Z beach: Below that. Including high school. 2014-10-19T05:14:54Z skbierm quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-10-19T05:14:58Z pjb: Perhaps it depends on socioeconomic level of the school public. I don't remember having that kind of problem in school or high school (despite a general personal unsatisfaction and resignation about the subject). 2014-10-19T05:15:54Z beach: It wasn't a problem when you were in school. It is a recent result of the brain-wash strategy of the fashion industry. 2014-10-19T05:16:46Z pjb: I guess so. In anycase, from what I've seen in Spain, it indeed can be a good thing, on several level. 2014-10-19T05:17:12Z beach: I have seen it in New Zealand and Vietnam. 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Thanks! 2014-10-19T11:08:15Z farhaven quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2014-10-19T11:08:48Z Ven quit (Client Quit) 2014-10-19T11:09:51Z wilfredh joined #lisp 2014-10-19T11:10:46Z farhaven joined #lisp 2014-10-19T11:13:00Z rtra quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2014-10-19T11:13:16Z beach: william3: Are you new here? 2014-10-19T11:13:29Z william3: I am. very new 2014-10-19T11:13:43Z william3: how long have you been here for? 2014-10-19T11:14:26Z beach: 2004-08-10 2014-10-19T11:14:45Z beach: So 10 years. 2014-10-19T11:14:45Z william3: nice 2014-10-19T11:15:01Z william3: what do you do? 2014-10-19T11:15:07Z william3: (job-wise)\ 2014-10-19T11:15:08Z william3: (job-wise) 2014-10-19T11:15:14Z rtra joined #lisp 2014-10-19T11:15:17Z beach: I am a professor. 2014-10-19T11:15:24Z william3: wow 2014-10-19T11:15:35Z beach: I am not the only one here. 2014-10-19T11:16:00Z william3: makes sense really (lisp isn't really something the average commercial developer is interested in, etc) 2014-10-19T11:16:23Z beach: I think you will find quite a diverse crowd here. 2014-10-19T11:16:37Z william3: yeah 2014-10-19T11:16:40Z beach: From newbies to highly experienced people. 2014-10-19T11:16:55Z william3: that's good. 2014-10-19T11:17:11Z william3: I'm trying to diversify the way I think about programming 2014-10-19T11:17:18Z beach: Great! 2014-10-19T11:17:25Z chu quit (Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)) 2014-10-19T11:17:32Z beach: You came to the right place. 2014-10-19T11:17:53Z william3: :) 2014-10-19T11:20:31Z beach: Have you already started learning Lisp? 2014-10-19T11:22:35Z william3: I picked up this book several months ago: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Land-Lisp-Learn-Program-Game/dp/1593272812/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1413717748&sr=8-1&keywords=lisp 2014-10-19T11:22:48Z william3: read the introduction and didn't continue 2014-10-19T11:23:11Z beach: Yeah, it is a strange book. 2014-10-19T11:23:24Z beach: If you already know programming, try Practical Common Lisp. 2014-10-19T11:23:38Z beach: minion: Please tell william3 about PCL. 2014-10-19T11:23:39Z minion: william3: please look at PCL: pcl-book: "Practical Common Lisp", an introduction to Common Lisp by Peter Seibel, available at http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/ and in dead-tree form from Apress (as of 11 April 2005). 2014-10-19T11:30:28Z huza quit (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8) 2014-10-19T11:31:03Z william3: thanks beach - I'll have a look at that book 2014-10-19T11:31:14Z tkhoa2711 quit (Quit: tkhoa2711) 2014-10-19T11:32:37Z ehu quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2014-10-19T11:43:02Z jhao joined #lisp 2014-10-19T11:43:56Z william3 quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-10-19T11:45:43Z munksgaard quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2014-10-19T11:46:48Z Ven joined #lisp 2014-10-19T11:47:30Z jhao quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2014-10-19T11:47:53Z tkhoa2711 joined #lisp 2014-10-19T11:51:50Z clop2 joined #lisp 2014-10-19T11:59:45Z easye` quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2014-10-19T11:59:59Z easye` joined #lisp 2014-10-19T12:00:01Z Karl_Dscc joined #lisp 2014-10-19T12:00:28Z hardenedapple joined #lisp 2014-10-19T12:00:57Z stassats joined #lisp 2014-10-19T12:02:20Z cpc26 quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-10-19T12:02:24Z MoALTz__ quit (Quit: Leaving) 2014-10-19T12:02:57Z cpc26 joined #lisp 2014-10-19T12:03:04Z MoALTz joined #lisp 2014-10-19T12:04:24Z alchemis7 left #lisp 2014-10-19T12:04:24Z alchemis7 joined #lisp 2014-10-19T12:04:33Z easye` quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2014-10-19T12:04:34Z Beetny quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2014-10-19T12:04:40Z fikusz quit (Quit: Leaving) 2014-10-19T12:04:42Z easye` joined #lisp 2014-10-19T12:06:52Z pt1 joined #lisp 2014-10-19T12:07:24Z cpc26 quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2014-10-19T12:08:52Z tkhoa2711 quit (Quit: tkhoa2711) 2014-10-19T12:10:26Z ehu joined #lisp 2014-10-19T12:10:31Z freaksken quit (Read error: No route to host) 2014-10-19T12:10:46Z zarkone joined #lisp 2014-10-19T12:13:11Z zarkone: hello all. I'm trying lisp and parallel programming (i'm newbie to both). Is it ok to use threads in sbcl, or it is it's week part? 2014-10-19T12:13:14Z zarkone: *weak 2014-10-19T12:13:22Z stassats: it is ok 2014-10-19T12:14:26Z attila_lendvai joined #lisp 2014-10-19T12:14:26Z vinleod quit (Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]) 2014-10-19T12:15:15Z pt1 quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-10-19T12:15:23Z zarkone: stassats: because i wrote algorithm in two versions: single and multi thread, and can't understand why parallel version works RATHER slower than single threaded... 2014-10-19T12:15:44Z stassats: because you wrote it that way 2014-10-19T12:15:52Z farhaven: zarkone: overhead of shared data structures? 2014-10-19T12:17:33Z ndrei quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2014-10-19T12:18:07Z zarkone: farhaven: may be, for now i didn't use any special structures. I try to implement A* path-find algorithm. 2014-10-19T12:20:05Z zarkone: and the parallel part is to collect the data from 8 near cells 2014-10-19T12:20:20Z ack006 joined #lisp 2014-10-19T12:20:42Z zarkone: there are 8 cells, i devide the process function in 2 threads (4 cells for each) 2014-10-19T12:21:50Z zarkone: this is very simple.. ok, will try to find out what it could be. Can you advice me smth to read about parallel and lisp, mb some articles? would be very great 2014-10-19T12:23:31Z stassats: it uses native threads, so anything you read about threads will be applicable 2014-10-19T12:25:37Z nalssee joined #lisp 2014-10-19T12:25:41Z pavelpenev quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-10-19T12:26:20Z pavelpenev joined #lisp 2014-10-19T12:27:02Z hiroakip quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2014-10-19T12:29:44Z tkhoa2711 joined #lisp 2014-10-19T12:31:35Z pavelpenev: zarkone: you can check out some concurrency/parallelism libraries for lisp http://www.cliki.net/concurrency Some of the most popular would be http://common-lisp.net/project/bordeaux-threads/ which makes code portable across implementations and http://lparallel.org/ which is a bit more high-level 2014-10-19T12:33:27Z cpc26 joined #lisp 2014-10-19T12:33:43Z zarkone: pavelpenev: thank you, i will certainly check this! 2014-10-19T12:35:05Z LiamH joined #lisp 2014-10-19T12:36:35Z ggole: 8 cells as in 8 structs pointing at each other (or sitting in an array, whatever)? That's really not enough work to profitably split across threads. 2014-10-19T12:38:37Z hiroakip joined #lisp 2014-10-19T12:38:47Z gniourf quit (Quit: Leaving) 2014-10-19T12:39:36Z zarkone: ggole: i guess the same, i should ceate "barriers" with mutex. the main thread waits while other two threads process their 4 cells each -- it's very quick. As i understood, it's too expensive to wait and to condition-notify 2014-10-19T12:39:47Z zarkone: ..if compare to process part. 2014-10-19T12:40:00Z zarkone: *create 2014-10-19T12:40:21Z gniourf joined #lisp 2014-10-19T12:41:47Z logicb joined #lisp 2014-10-19T12:41:57Z xyh joined #lisp 2014-10-19T12:42:02Z zarkone: this: http://pastebin.com/yd7v9itg 2014-10-19T12:42:12Z varjag_ joined #lisp 2014-10-19T12:42:14Z logicb: I have a question, why was LISP's design based on parenthesis? 2014-10-19T12:42:40Z zarkone: i also have hash version, this paste is based on lists 2014-10-19T12:42:44Z xyh left #lisp 2014-10-19T12:43:00Z zarkone: hash version is much faster 2014-10-19T12:43:10Z cpc26 quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2014-10-19T12:43:16Z logicb left #lisp 2014-10-19T12:43:46Z jhao joined #lisp 2014-10-19T12:44:43Z zarkone: the main functions are a-star-inner-loop and parallel-search 2014-10-19T12:46:35Z pavelpenev quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-10-19T12:46:41Z tkhoa2711 quit (Quit: tkhoa2711) 2014-10-19T12:46:49Z svetlyak40wt joined #lisp 2014-10-19T12:47:04Z pavelpenev joined #lisp 2014-10-19T12:47:33Z ggole: All of the threads take the same lock? 2014-10-19T12:47:42Z pjb: Why did logicb leave so soon? 2014-10-19T12:48:42Z zarkone: ggole: is it bad? i assume that the main thread prepare the data then run the parallel-search threads and wait untill they finish 2014-10-19T12:49:05Z ggole: Well, it will exclude the parallelism you are after 2014-10-19T12:49:07Z jhao quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2014-10-19T12:49:53Z ggole: You can't just remove it though, as you communicate by mutating some stuff. I would rethink the design so that the lock and the mutation of shared parts is unnecessary. 2014-10-19T12:50:17Z ggole: Have each thread return a structure indicating the results of the search, say. 2014-10-19T12:50:42Z zarkone: e.g. temp list for results and merge it on barrier? 2014-10-19T12:50:57Z Grue`: yeah you are using *way* too many global variables 2014-10-19T12:51:39Z svetlyak40wt quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2014-10-19T12:51:50Z ggole: Anything rather than the globals, really. 2014-10-19T12:52:32Z TDog joined #lisp 2014-10-19T12:54:03Z zarkone: can you explain in short why my code is so slow? this is because of one lock? as i realize from ggole's words, my threads do not actually work in parallel, they wait each other 2014-10-19T12:55:24Z zarkone: i would be very greatful for this short explanation.. 2014-10-19T12:55:28Z |3b| isn't sure a* is a good algorithm for parallelizing 2014-10-19T12:56:04Z |3b|: hard to divide up the work in a way you don't spend more work dividing it, distributing it and getting results back than you would have needed to just calculate it directly 2014-10-19T12:56:23Z Grue`: zarkone: think about it, can 2 threads work at the same time under your algorithm? 2014-10-19T12:56:57Z ggole: That's right. So you end up doing the same work as the serial version, plus a bunch of synchronisation overhead. 2014-10-19T12:57:23Z pjb: plus a bunch of overhead to check that the work has already been done by the first thread. 2014-10-19T12:57:40Z |3b| could maybe see a thread searching from 'start' and 'end' points, though you would still have to do that carefully to see any benefit unless your graphs are huge 2014-10-19T12:57:52Z ggole: Parellelizing a* across a bunch of *different* searches might be a more fruitful approach 2014-10-19T12:58:17Z Grue`: and if you actually run them in parallel, nothing would work because of shared variables like *neighbors* being mutated 2014-10-19T12:58:18Z jhao joined #lisp 2014-10-19T12:59:13Z pjb: You would need to use local variables, and you would have to have locks around each node access. Unless the graph is wide, the threads would have difficulty not stepping on each others toes. 2014-10-19T12:59:37Z tkhoa2711 joined #lisp 2014-10-19T12:59:37Z Nizumzen joined #lisp 2014-10-19T13:00:47Z ggole: Multiple readers should be ok 2014-10-19T13:01:25Z ggole: As long as the mark bits are kept per-thread, anyway 2014-10-19T13:01:38Z zarkone: thanks for all this responses! 2014-10-19T13:01:43Z |3b|: might also be able to run multiple branches at once, but then would lose some of the benefit of a*, and would still be hard to make efficient 2014-10-19T13:01:48Z moore33 joined #lisp 2014-10-19T13:02:01Z moore33: howdy 2014-10-19T13:03:49Z zarkone: i understood that because of the open-list part this algorithm is like iteartional. I put smth in open list and on the next step i look inside t check 2014-10-19T13:04:00Z zarkone: *iteration 2014-10-19T13:04:24Z jebes quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2014-10-19T13:04:27Z pjb: zarkone: the problem is thatyou have a mutex on the whole thread in parallel-search! 2014-10-19T13:04:28Z cpc26 joined #lisp 2014-10-19T13:04:29Z tkhoa2711 quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2014-10-19T13:04:48Z jtza8 joined #lisp 2014-10-19T13:05:29Z Ven quit (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) 2014-10-19T13:05:32Z |3b|: right, it only looks at 1 node at a time, which is pretty much the definition of "not parallel" :) 2014-10-19T13:05:49Z jebes joined #lisp 2014-10-19T13:06:52Z zarkone: so i have to create two mutexs? like, one for main thread and second for parall-search? 2014-10-19T13:07:04Z pjb: No. You need one mutex per node. 2014-10-19T13:07:52Z pjb: Now, you could use only one mutex per graph, it wouldn't be too much too slow, if you use it to implement atomic accesses to the nodes. 2014-10-19T13:11:49Z zarkone: ok, thank you again. I try to implement the advices, but i still didn't get some parts.. anyway, thanks all! 2014-10-19T13:12:23Z zarkone: it's like i can't turn on parallel in my head 2014-10-19T13:12:56Z stanislav quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-10-19T13:13:15Z |3b|: probably better to try a different task, would take more advanced techniques to get anywhere with a*, so better to start simple :) 2014-10-19T13:13:31Z pjb: zarkone: I can't see it in your code, does a* use flags to indicate nodes that have been processed? 2014-10-19T13:13:41Z pjb: ie. does it use mutation? 2014-10-19T13:13:45Z |3b| probably wouldn't use a mutex per node, though that would be easiest way to avoid conflicts 2014-10-19T13:14:31Z zarkone: pjb: i put the node in *open-list* and every time i check out if the node is inside 2014-10-19T13:15:13Z zarkone: search-in-neighbours function.. this name is from single-thread version, when i processed 8 neighbours in this func 2014-10-19T13:16:41Z pjb: zarkone: well, from the English description of the A* algorithm, it looks like it is not the kind of algorithm that can easily be parallelised. It's basically a depth-first kind of algorithm (it's a best-first). 2014-10-19T13:17:08Z pjb: zarkone: there are papers giving A* algorithm implemented on GPU. Perhaps you could have a look at them. 2014-10-19T13:18:32Z zarkone: pjb: when the field is divided on clusters? 2014-10-19T13:18:56Z zarkone: i think i've seen this paper 2014-10-19T13:20:31Z pjb: for example: http://publications.lib.chalmers.se/records/fulltext/129175.pdf 2014-10-19T13:22:44Z zarkone: "For implementation of A* algorithm running with Multiple threads per " 2014-10-19T13:22:45Z zarkone: agents, I am using eight threads in parallel to find an optimal path. 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fade is now known as Fade 2014-10-19T14:58:43Z zfx: I’ve downgraded to the 2014-09-14 ql dist for now 2014-10-19T14:58:54Z Fade: what operating system? 2014-10-19T14:58:59Z zfx: sorry, OS X 10.10 2014-10-19T14:59:16Z stassats: that does seem strange 2014-10-19T14:59:33Z zfx: but this also happens with sbcl 1.2.2 on ubuntu something or other on a remote server, only for latest ql dist 2014-10-19T14:59:34Z jusss quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-10-19T14:59:36Z Fade: you could try passing sbcl --control-stack-size 2014-10-19T14:59:41Z zfx: yeah, I might have to do that 2014-10-19T14:59:42Z Fade: which will allow you to specify 2014-10-19T14:59:47Z stassats: that's probably not the best idea 2014-10-19T14:59:48Z zfx: but it seemed odd and out of the blue 2014-10-19T14:59:52Z stassats: it does seem like a bug 2014-10-19T15:00:23Z zfx: can't tell if it's an sbcl bug or a hunchentoot bug :) my debugging skills are not ninja enough 2014-10-19T15:00:26Z Fade: I use hunchentoot in one of my systems and haven't run into that so far. does it happen as soon as you load hunchentoot? 2014-10-19T15:00:35Z zfx: it happens as soon as a request is made 2014-10-19T15:00:52Z stassats: you could get some more backtrace 2014-10-19T15:00:54Z zfx: can I get a stack dump somehow? 2014-10-19T15:01:05Z innertracks quit (Quit: innertracks) 2014-10-19T15:01:08Z stassats: run it from slime 2014-10-19T15:01:21Z zfx: k 2014-10-19T15:01:30Z zfx: need to reupgrade dist and do it, one sec 2014-10-19T15:06:14Z zygentoma joined #lisp 2014-10-19T15:06:48Z ovidnis quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2014-10-19T15:06:54Z zfx: it’s a bug in my code, of course :) sorry for the false alarm, wonder why it hasn't surfaced before 2014-10-19T15:07:22Z Fade: it'd be interesting to know why the bug was triggered with the new hunchentoot. 2014-10-19T15:07:52Z zfx: investigating now, but the problem is actually to do with how I use yason, and hunchentoot was an innocent bystander handling the request 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Does anyone know of something I could easily write a bot for? Anything, really, thought of Armagetron, eg, but would prefer if it had an interface just for that purpose. 2014-10-19T21:13:53Z clop2 joined #lisp 2014-10-19T21:15:02Z wasamasa: irc 2014-10-19T21:15:10Z bagackiz joined #lisp 2014-10-19T21:15:11Z pavelpenev: arshuni: twitter bots are annoyingly popular 2014-10-19T21:15:11Z bagackiz quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 2014-10-19T21:15:28Z wasamasa: pavelpenev: ohi 2014-10-19T21:15:33Z Shinmera: tumblr would be more novel, but just as easy. 2014-10-19T21:15:44Z araujo quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2014-10-19T21:15:46Z wasamasa: pavelpenev: did you get my e-mail? 2014-10-19T21:16:18Z wasamasa: Shinmera: wouldn't people ignore a tumblr bot that does something else than posting hipster photos nonstop? 2014-10-19T21:16:31Z araujo joined #lisp 2014-10-19T21:16:31Z Shinmera: wasamasa: then make one that posts hipster photos nonstop 2014-10-19T21:16:44Z Shinmera: I don't care, just saying that it's easy. 2014-10-19T21:16:49Z puchacz quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 2014-10-19T21:16:55Z bagackiz joined #lisp 2014-10-19T21:16:56Z bagackiz quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 2014-10-19T21:17:16Z arshuni: Uh, anything with more, uhm...rules? A little bit game-like? 2014-10-19T21:17:23Z pavelpenev: wasamasa: A server probably got it to me, but I deal very poorly with email. Sorry 2014-10-19T21:17:35Z jebes: tic tac toe 2014-10-19T21:17:36Z hiroakip quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2014-10-19T21:17:47Z wasamasa: pavelpenev: in case you're the guy who put up tutorials about web development with lisp 2014-10-19T21:17:57Z munksgaard quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2014-10-19T21:18:00Z wasamasa: pavelpenev: on http://lispwebtales.ppenev.com/ that is 2014-10-19T21:18:26Z zygentoma joined #lisp 2014-10-19T21:18:40Z bagackiz joined #lisp 2014-10-19T21:18:41Z bagackiz quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 2014-10-19T21:18:44Z pavelpenev: wasamasa: yeah. I know there are bugs, but I've had very little time in the past year to fix them, so I've abandoned it temporarily 2014-10-19T21:19:12Z pavelpenev: wasamasa: then I feel bad because people have given me money for it 2014-10-19T21:19:49Z pavelpenev: wasamasa: I've made some time and I plan to be active with lisp again so I might give it a face lift :) 2014-10-19T21:20:02Z wasamasa: pavelpenev: well, I've just spotted what looks like an encoding issue 2014-10-19T21:20:25Z bagackiz joined #lisp 2014-10-19T21:20:26Z bagackiz quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 2014-10-19T21:20:35Z wasamasa: pavelpenev: at every place where there should be a single straight/curly quote, there's "’" instead 2014-10-19T21:20:39Z svetlyak40wt quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-10-19T21:20:52Z thawes quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2014-10-19T21:21:11Z jebes: i had this problem 2014-10-19T21:21:18Z jebes: make sure you are reading it as UTF-8 2014-10-19T21:21:59Z wasamasa: the website should declare its encoding 2014-10-19T21:22:03Z pavelpenev: wasamasa: It's a technical book project being done by someone with the resources and experience to do a blog(it was a blog originally) so a lot of shit goes through the cracks :) 2014-10-19T21:22:18Z bagackiz joined #lisp 2014-10-19T21:22:19Z bagackiz quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 2014-10-19T21:22:21Z pnpuff quit (Quit: Lost terminal) 2014-10-19T21:24:09Z ivan4th joined #lisp 2014-10-19T21:24:49Z angavrilov quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-10-19T21:25:15Z pavelpenev: I've spend a year doing some python, but mostly JS in order to pay the bills, and I long to get back into lisp. I miss it so much I even threw out common sense today and wrote a web framework in 40 lines just to see if I could get anything to work at all. I'm rusty as hell 2014-10-19T21:26:08Z bjorkintosh: pavelpenev, what about a lisp -> python program. 2014-10-19T21:26:19Z bjorkintosh: so that you can keep doing what you like ... and keep getting paid. 2014-10-19T21:26:32Z bjorkintosh: easier said than done, of course. 2014-10-19T21:26:38Z bjorkintosh: or a lisp -> js even! 2014-10-19T21:26:53Z jebes: that already exists, but it is rather limited 2014-10-19T21:27:04Z bjorkintosh: time to remove the limits, no? 2014-10-19T21:27:34Z thawes joined #lisp 2014-10-19T21:27:36Z pavelpenev: bjorkintosh: professional responsibility limits the freedom I can take with a team effort 2014-10-19T21:27:51Z bjorkintosh: whoa. he speaks corporate! 2014-10-19T21:28:09Z jebes: hehe 2014-10-19T21:28:11Z wasamasa: jebes: that's surely no valid utf-8 2014-10-19T21:28:15Z pavelpenev: bjorkintosh: but I did use lisp as an MySQL shell :) 2014-10-19T21:28:19Z wasamasa: jebes: not even the w3c validator agrees on that 2014-10-19T21:28:26Z bjorkintosh: scandalous! 2014-10-19T21:28:32Z bjorkintosh: did you feel a rush of adrenaline? 2014-10-19T21:28:42Z wasamasa: jebes: it's something multi-byte I can't recognize or just byte garbage, hence my question to pavelpenev 2014-10-19T21:29:03Z jebes: oh, interesting. That was the same charstring i was getting when my term was in the wrong locale 2014-10-19T21:29:15Z pavelpenev: bjorkintosh: from the horrific nightmare they were passing off as a schema, not lisp :) 2014-10-19T21:29:21Z fourmyle joined #lisp 2014-10-19T21:29:25Z bjorkintosh: ah. 2014-10-19T21:29:47Z jebes: i wish i was working in lisp, but i'm stuck with scala right now. Maybe i'll get my co-worker to move on to haskell.. 2014-10-19T21:29:51Z wasamasa: jebes: http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Flispwebtales.ppenev.com%2Fchap01.html 2014-10-19T21:30:42Z jebes: hrm 2014-10-19T21:30:50Z s00pcan joined #lisp 2014-10-19T21:31:04Z knob joined #lisp 2014-10-19T21:31:46Z xrash joined #lisp 2014-10-19T21:31:55Z pavelpenev: jebes: scala is acceptable. Actual design went into it. It's surprising that JS is even usable for largish projects, and not only that, we got the damn thing to be half-reliable too. :) 2014-10-19T21:32:09Z jebes: haha, true. 2014-10-19T21:32:28Z bjorkintosh: pavelpenev, it's not "usable", it's just used. 2014-10-19T21:32:31Z jebes: its not that big of a deal, but i'd just prefer haskell or lisp >:p 2014-10-19T21:32:34Z bjorkintosh: people have 'made it work'. 2014-10-19T21:32:46Z bjorkintosh: elitists prefer haskell or lisp! 2014-10-19T21:33:05Z jebes: but muh functional programming 2014-10-19T21:33:15Z bjorkintosh: haha 2014-10-19T21:33:18Z pavelpenev: bjorkintosh: The tools in the browser are very emacs/slime/lisp machine-like, so it's kind of not as horrible as it could have been :) 2014-10-19T21:33:33Z bjorkintosh: well, you're in luck. lisp is a multi-paradigm language. you don't have to do FP in it. 2014-10-19T21:35:10Z jebes: I tend to spend a lot of time figuring out how to remove code duplication in my code, and it turns to macro spaghetti. Delicous, delicous, macro spaghetti :) 2014-10-19T21:35:13Z clop2 quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2014-10-19T21:35:14Z jplankton joined #lisp 2014-10-19T21:35:18Z ovenpasta quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2014-10-19T21:35:42Z ack006 just discovered CLFSWM, thinks it looks very interesting 2014-10-19T21:36:05Z bjorkintosh: ack006, what's that ALPHABETSOUP? 2014-10-19T21:36:09Z wasamasa: a window manager 2014-10-19T21:36:12Z ack006: http://common-lisp.net/project/clfswm/ 2014-10-19T21:36:15Z jebes: common lisp fullscreen window manager 2014-10-19T21:36:34Z jebes: i'm going to stick to stumpwm, though 2014-10-19T21:36:51Z wasamasa: a wayland wm written in CL would be nice 2014-10-19T21:36:55Z knob quit (Quit: Leaving) 2014-10-19T21:37:03Z ack006: wasamasa: a-men :-) 2014-10-19T21:37:14Z bjorkintosh: wasamasa, is wayland functional yet? 2014-10-19T21:37:19Z bjorkintosh: i mean, can you use it for anything at all? 2014-10-19T21:37:24Z wasamasa: bjorkintosh: http://a.pomf.se/vwgedu.png 2014-10-19T21:37:36Z wasamasa: bjorkintosh: this is a scrot from a guy who is in the midst of writing a wm for it 2014-10-19T21:37:40Z wasamasa: bjorkintosh: so, yes 2014-10-19T21:37:53Z wasamasa: bjorkintosh: will take a lot more time until someone ports emacs to it though 2014-10-19T21:38:40Z Oddity joined #lisp 2014-10-19T21:38:43Z mrSpec quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-10-19T21:38:48Z bjorkintosh: i'm not holding my breath. 2014-10-19T21:39:12Z bjorkintosh: netflix now works on linux. 2014-10-19T21:39:20Z bjorkintosh: nothing else matters, really :) 2014-10-19T21:39:22Z wasamasa: anyways, this guy was smart enough to write a library for writing compositors first, so once it gets in an usable state, it should be simple to wrap it from CL and write a wm with it 2014-10-19T21:39:57Z wasamasa: maybe something for clasp to target 2014-10-19T21:40:17Z abralek quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2014-10-19T21:40:25Z bjorkintosh: i have a feeling X will be around for a very long time to come yet. 2014-10-19T21:40:29Z wasamasa: oh sure it will 2014-10-19T21:40:32Z wasamasa: just like e-mail 2014-10-19T21:40:33Z bjorkintosh: much like cobol. 2014-10-19T21:40:34Z wasamasa: and irc 2014-10-19T21:40:43Z pavelpenev: and elisp 2014-10-19T21:40:53Z bjorkintosh: what's elisp? 2014-10-19T21:40:54Z bjorkintosh: burn that! 2014-10-19T21:40:56Z pavelpenev: emacs lisp 2014-10-19T21:40:57Z wasamasa: I don't see any reason for replacing elisp though 2014-10-19T21:40:59Z bjorkintosh: kill it already. 2014-10-19T21:41:03Z stepnem quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2014-10-19T21:41:22Z bjorkintosh: it's the JS of lisps, if i caught the drift of the purists. 2014-10-19T21:41:39Z wasamasa: since pretty much every attempt at replacing it seems to be from zealots who haven't really thought it through 2014-10-19T21:41:47Z wasamasa: ok, except one group of them maybe 2014-10-19T21:41:54Z jebes: edwin and yi are nice... 2014-10-19T21:42:51Z bjorkintosh: nerds and their editors. 2014-10-19T21:43:02Z wasamasa: anyways, I can get video playback to work under wayland, maybe some games, too, a terminal emulator and X clients 2014-10-19T21:43:10Z wasamasa: so everything should eventually work out 2014-10-19T21:44:10Z bjorkintosh: how are you running wayland, wasamasa? 2014-10-19T21:44:45Z wasamasa: bjorkintosh: I start a wayland compositor from a tty login prompt 2014-10-19T21:44:50Z wasamasa: bjorkintosh: that's pretty much it 2014-10-19T21:45:06Z wasamasa: bjorkintosh: multi-monitor even works out of the box, no need to reconfigure like under x.org 2014-10-19T21:45:12Z bjorkintosh: huh. 2014-10-19T21:45:12Z bagackiz joined #lisp 2014-10-19T21:45:13Z bagackiz quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 2014-10-19T21:45:14Z bjorkintosh: running on? 2014-10-19T21:45:17Z wasamasa: arch 2014-10-19T21:45:26Z bjorkintosh: which compositor? 2014-10-19T21:45:47Z wasamasa: I've tried with weston only 2014-10-19T21:45:57Z wasamasa: but I'll try the other one soon, too 2014-10-19T21:46:18Z ejbs: Do you guys know if there are any good Lisp libraries that implement non-cryptographic hashing functions? 2014-10-19T21:47:39Z bagackiz joined #lisp 2014-10-19T21:47:40Z bagackiz quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 2014-10-19T21:47:48Z p_l: there was an implementation of cityhash, iirc 2014-10-19T21:49:38Z Qudit2 joined #lisp 2014-10-19T21:52:16Z bagackiz joined #lisp 2014-10-19T21:52:17Z bagackiz quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 2014-10-19T21:53:47Z thawes quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2014-10-19T21:54:17Z bagackiz joined #lisp 2014-10-19T21:54:18Z bagackiz quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 2014-10-19T21:55:25Z cmack``` joined #lisp 2014-10-19T21:57:00Z drewc: wasamasa: very cool! I tried wayland out over a year and a half ago on my Raspberry PIs, and have somewhat neglected my studies of it since then. I have been meaning to try out the Maynard desktop anyway, so thank you for encouraging me :) 2014-10-19T21:57:32Z fourmyle quit (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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The hyperspec doesn’t say anything to this, but usocket re-uses the udp receive buffer to send the reply and I’m seeing it truncated because of this. 2014-10-19T23:04:32Z zickzackv quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2014-10-19T23:05:02Z bagackiz joined #lisp 2014-10-19T23:05:02Z bagackiz quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 2014-10-19T23:05:03Z pjb: No, it doesn't. 2014-10-19T23:06:23Z pjb: ynniv: clsh replace says everything it has to say about it: read the definition of bounding index designator. 2014-10-19T23:06:41Z bagackiz joined #lisp 2014-10-19T23:06:42Z bagackiz quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 2014-10-19T23:08:21Z bagackiz joined #lisp 2014-10-19T23:08:22Z bagackiz quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 2014-10-19T23:08:59Z pjb: ynniv: there may be a mention elsewhere about what to do if the bounding indexes are beyond the length (but within the array-dimension) of the vector. 2014-10-19T23:09:10Z mishoo quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2014-10-19T23:09:30Z mishoo joined #lisp 2014-10-19T23:09:33Z pjb: ynniv: but the conservative option is that they should not be beyond the length (= the fill-pointer). 2014-10-19T23:09:48Z clop2 joined #lisp 2014-10-19T23:10:11Z yuikov joined #lisp 2014-10-19T23:10:15Z ynniv: That’s pretty much my reasoning. 2014-10-19T23:10:28Z ynniv: But I didn’t expect to run into a library bug so quickly. 2014-10-19T23:10:33Z bagackiz joined #lisp 2014-10-19T23:10:33Z bagackiz quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 2014-10-19T23:10:49Z easye```` quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2014-10-19T23:11:10Z pjb: extend the fill-pointer before filling the vector, and restrict it after. 2014-10-19T23:11:25Z pjb: You'd do the same with read-sequence. 2014-10-19T23:12:16Z bagackiz joined #lisp 2014-10-19T23:12:17Z bagackiz quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 2014-10-19T23:12:46Z ynniv: It’s an easy fix to extend the fill-pointer to the max of the buffer length and the new data. 2014-10-19T23:13:01Z pjb: (array-dimension v 0) 2014-10-19T23:13:31Z pjb: the length is identical to the fill-pointer when there is a fill-pointer. 2014-10-19T23:13:39Z ynniv: s/max/min/ 2014-10-19T23:13:56Z bagackiz joined #lisp 2014-10-19T23:13:57Z bagackiz quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 2014-10-19T23:14:57Z yuikov quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2014-10-19T23:15:37Z bagackiz joined #lisp 2014-10-19T23:15:37Z bagackiz quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 2014-10-19T23:17:16Z bagackiz joined #lisp 2014-10-19T23:17:17Z bagackiz quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 2014-10-19T23:18:38Z zeitue joined #lisp 2014-10-19T23:18:56Z bagackiz joined #lisp 2014-10-19T23:18:57Z bagackiz quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 2014-10-19T23:20:36Z bagackiz joined #lisp 2014-10-19T23:20:36Z bagackiz quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 2014-10-19T23:20:37Z jtza8 quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-10-19T23:20:54Z thawes quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 2014-10-19T23:21:10Z bb010g quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) 2014-10-19T23:22:07Z xyjprc quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2014-10-19T23:22:19Z bagackiz joined #lisp 2014-10-19T23:22:20Z bagackiz quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 2014-10-19T23:22:56Z cyc0 quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2014-10-19T23:23:22Z stanislav quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2014-10-19T23:24:02Z bagackiz joined #lisp 2014-10-19T23:24:03Z bagackiz quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 2014-10-19T23:24:12Z zxq9 quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 2014-10-19T23:24:21Z munksgaard quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2014-10-19T23:26:00Z wizzo quit (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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