00:00:06 ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@88.228.232.73] has joined #lisp 00:00:07 DarkLinkXXXX_ [~DarkLinkX@24-113-233-5.wavecable.com] has joined #lisp 00:00:26 -!- vaporatorius [~vaporator@25.red-80-29-94.adsl.static.ccgg.telefonica.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:01:34 -!- alexherbo2 [~alexherbo@APlessis-Bouchard-154-1-91-224.w83-199.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3-dev] 00:02:38 cdidd [~cdidd@128-75-248-198.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 00:03:15 innertracks [~Thunderbi@ip-64-134-142-77.public.wayport.net] has joined #lisp 00:04:30 I'm having trouble using linedit with sbcl. If I hold the ctrl key, and press an arrow key, the prompt becomes completely unresponsive, and I can't even sigint out of it. 00:04:53 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@88.228.232.73] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:04:53 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-175-179.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:05:24 oleo [~oleo@xdsl-84-44-209-36.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 00:05:47 DarkLinkXXXX_: I get Unknown command "M-O". 00:06:59 MoALTz_ [~no@user-31-175-247-158.play-internet.pl] has joined #lisp 00:07:09 jasom: Maybe it's a platform specific error then? What are you using? 00:07:12 -!- zygentoma [~kvirc@dslb-092-077-070-093.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.1.3 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 00:07:22 linux x86-64 rxvt-unicode 00:08:10 bgs100 [~bgs@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #lisp 00:08:12 Weird. 00:08:30 *DarkLinkXXXX_* starts playing with gdb a little. 00:08:38 -!- LiamH [~healy@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:08:46 gdb and sbcl? 00:08:49 huh 00:08:56 why are you using linedit, out of curiousity? 00:09:31 jasom: because it's not emacs 00:09:43 jasom: I like tab completion, and what stassats said. 00:10:00 Use emacs. Even if you don't use it as an editor, you can still use it as a REPL 00:10:00 -!- nisstyre [~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Quit: bai] 00:10:01 -!- MoALTz [~no@user-31-175-247-158.play-internet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:10:34 jasom: So? I already have a repl. 00:10:47 DarkLinkXXXX_: you have a crappy repl 00:11:07 that hangs-up if you hit ctl and an arrow key 00:11:26 jasom: How? I wouldn't consider the one built into sbcl crappy (which is not linedit), just minimalist. 00:11:35 -!- foom [jknight@nat/google/x-youbdbbrrmpocscc] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:11:37 -!- ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:11:51 I used vim as a text editor and emacs/slime as an IDE for years... 00:12:05 minimalist; as in it doesn't even support arrow-keys 00:12:21 -!- zRecursive [~czsq888@183.13.192.74] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:12:38 -!- ehu [~ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:12:42 zRecursive [~czsq888@183.13.192.74] has joined #lisp 00:13:57 history, and line-editing are a minimum for me. tab-completion and M-. are really nice 00:15:59 ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has joined #lisp 00:16:25 Sgeo [~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 00:17:09 I'm sure, but I'd rather try to fix the problem and submit a fix. It'd be good exercise. 00:20:04 -!- cheryllium [~chatzilla@128.237.220.14] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:21:05 duggiefresh [~duggiefre@c-24-60-1-249.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:21:50 Actually, clisp seems to have a great repl. I'll use that for repl purposes. 00:23:18 DarkLinkXXXX_: using slime in emacs is canconical way 00:24:06 -!- xristos` is now known as xristos 00:24:47 -!- heddwch [~yoshi@76.8.3.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:27:23 -!- duggiefresh [~duggiefre@c-24-60-1-249.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:28:08 duggiefresh [~duggiefre@c-24-60-1-249.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:30:25 -!- juanlas [~jlas@186.232.42.118] has quit [Quit: juanlas] 00:32:16 -!- duggiefresh [~duggiefre@c-24-60-1-249.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:32:18 -!- zz_karupanerura is now known as karupanerura 00:33:12 foom [jknight@nat/google/x-sxhlneuzsfkxlogv] has joined #lisp 00:33:55 juanlas [~jlas@186.232.42.118] has joined #lisp 00:34:58 -!- Code_Man` [~Code_Man@2a02:1205:5058:2f10:223:54ff:fe38:82c2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:35:06 -!- shridhar [Shridhar@nat/redhat/x-caakaoboxdyapfmy] has quit [Quit: shridhar] 00:36:42 zRecursive: I don't want more than one buffer though. 00:37:04 Alfr [~Unknown@f052049243.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 00:37:06 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:38:18 Wentor [~deniz@78.171.11.54] has joined #lisp 00:38:23 hi 00:39:24 Hi. 00:43:33 -!- DalekBaldwin [~user@ip68-231-209-84.oc.oc.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:43:53 DalekBaldwin [~user@ip68-231-209-84.oc.oc.cox.net] has joined #lisp 00:45:09 -!- slarti [~anonymous@63-255-66-234.ip.mcleodusa.net] has quit [Quit: slarti] 00:46:09 -!- DarkLinkXXXX_ [~DarkLinkX@24-113-233-5.wavecable.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:46:52 *DarkLinkXXXX* establishes the unreasonable of making a %%lisp cell magic in ipython. 00:47:00 *unreasonable goal 00:49:52 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@dsl092-019-253.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:50:13 What does that mean? 00:50:21 "%% lisp cell magic" that is 00:52:06 http://nbviewer.ipython.org/github/ipython/ipython/blob/master/examples/notebooks/Cython%20Magics.ipynb <-- like that for lisp (google answered my question) 00:52:36 Oh, it's that-other-python. 00:53:18 jasom: Ipython is a this extended repl for python that has everything but the kitchen sink, and even extended into a notebook system. Cell magics allow you to interface with other languages in the ipython notebook, among other things. 00:53:39 nydel: Same python, but it gives you a generator when python already had batteries included. ;) 00:53:42 pyx [~pyx@unaffiliated/pyx] has joined #lisp 00:54:16 DarkLinkXXXX: yeah, I know what ipython is, didn't know about cell magics 00:54:31 -!- varjag_ [uid4973@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ubjpdoqxoaplkonw] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 00:54:31 -!- pyx is now known as help 00:55:01 -!- help is now known as Guest13009 00:55:08 You can %%script sbcl right now, yes? 00:56:06 I don't really think ipython is that great, but it's because of being able to pleasantly combine the method and the result into a presentation like this like scientists are really starting to like it. http://nbviewer.ipython.org/gist/fonnesbeck/2352771 00:56:16 jasom: I don't know, I assumed I couldn't. 00:56:24 DarkLinkXXXX: If it's not written in Lisp, it's at least some-other-python. 00:56:28 -!- Guest13009 [~pyx@unaffiliated/pyx] has quit [Client Quit] 00:56:33 -!- segv- [~mb@95-91-242-0-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:57:19 nyef: What's then what's the python that's not the other python? 00:57:39 duggiefresh [~duggiefre@c-24-60-1-249.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:57:44 perhaps was referring to cython? (which is the first cell magic I found) 00:58:08 "The Python compiler for CMU Common Lisp". 00:58:14 __prefect [~prefect@koln-4db41025.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 00:58:15 oh 00:58:17 right 00:58:20 (Also known as the compiler in SBCL.) 00:58:41 ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@88.228.232.73] has joined #lisp 00:58:57 Oh. 00:59:15 -!- CatMtKing [~CatMtKing@ed-uluka.dyn.ucr.edu] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:59:29 -!- stepnem [~stepnem@77.78.117.8] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:59:55 nialo [~nialo@ool-182d7ff7.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 01:00:43 it will strangle your code 01:00:59 -!- nha_ [~prefect@koln-4d0dc847.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:01:09 -!- harish_ [~harish@175.156.103.195] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:01:57 predates the "other python" by about 5 years I think 01:02:17 ... Only five years? Hunh. 01:02:54 cheryllium [~chatzilla@128.237.220.14] has joined #lisp 01:02:59 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@88.228.232.73] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:03:04 nyef: work was started before '86, but I seem to recall last time I looked it up the first time it was called "python" was '86 01:03:10 other python was '91 01:03:14 -!- cheryllium [~chatzilla@128.237.220.14] has quit [Client Quit] 01:03:24 Okay, fair enough. 01:03:43 sohail [~sohail@75-119-248-79.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 01:03:43 -!- sohail [~sohail@75-119-248-79.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Changing host] 01:03:43 sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 01:03:59 -!- ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 241 seconds] 01:04:02 what is ` in defmacro? 01:04:15 It's a back-quote 01:04:26 It's like quote but better for macros, as far as I know. 01:04:41 cheryllium [~chatzilla@128.237.220.14] has joined #lisp 01:05:11 ebrasca: ` is most often used in defmacro, but can be used anywhere 01:05:35 ebrasca: consider `(,(+ 1 2)) and compare to '((+ 1 2)) 01:05:43 ebrasca: you can run both at the repl and see the difference 01:06:39 basically, a quote context that you can "escape" out of, which nests 01:07:23 -!- dandersen [~user@unaffiliated/dandersen] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:07:55 Where is the .emacs file for slimebox, from the tarball? 01:07:56 http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/practical-a-simple-database.html <-- has an introduction to it 01:08:00 White-Flame:thx 01:08:10 jason:thx to 01:09:26 -!- MoALTz_ [~no@user-31-175-247-158.play-internet.pl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:11:04 DarkLinkXXXX: FYI %%script sbcl works just fine (though you may want --noinform --non-interactive) 01:11:09 kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-101-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 01:11:19 jasom: Thanks. 01:11:43 er --noinform --disable-debugger 01:14:47 -!- ebrasca [~chatzilla@host-198.58.elzappero.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 24.0/20131118140013]] 01:15:22 I don't think there is a way to suppres the prompt, but not suppress the printing of results 01:16:35 *DarkLinkXXXX* install non-essential software the way he usually does: building from the revision made 20 minutes ago. 01:18:52 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Disconnected by services] 01:19:23 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 01:19:23 -!- r0b4 [~robert@subtle/contributor/robgleeson] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:19:32 zhaov [~zhaov@221.123.160.250] has joined #lisp 01:20:04 -!- sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 01:21:15 -!- zhaov [~zhaov@221.123.160.250] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:22:30 Do major implementations perform updating defclass operations atomically in threadeded environments? ie, halt all threads while updating 01:22:36 -!- innertracks [~Thunderbi@ip-64-134-142-77.public.wayport.net] has quit [Quit: innertracks] 01:25:11 DarkLinkXXXX: %%script ccl -n -b -Q actually seems to be the nicest (omit -n if you actually want to load your init file) 01:26:34 ccl? 01:26:42 DarkLinkXXXX: clozure CL 01:26:47 Ah. 01:26:47 another lisp implementation 01:28:29 -!- ahungry [~null@99-40-10-216.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:29:03 da4c30ff__ [~da4c30ff@c18.adsl.tnnet.fi] has joined #lisp 01:29:39 fridim_ [~fridim@65.93.77.146] has joined #lisp 01:30:24 ahungry [~null@99-40-10-216.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 01:30:47 -!- QwertyDragon [~chatzilla@pool-173-76-7-69.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Iceape 2.7.12/20130119143918]] 01:30:55 -!- da4c30ff__ [~da4c30ff@c18.adsl.tnnet.fi] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:31:43 heddwch [~yoshi@76.8.3.189] has joined #lisp 01:35:13 -!- ikki [~ikki@fixed-203-218-211.iusacell.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:36:35 QwertyDragon [~chatzilla@pool-173-76-7-69.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 01:37:13 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:37:25 -!- cheryllium [~chatzilla@128.237.220.14] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 27.0.1/20140212131424]] 01:37:38 -!- refrijerator [b2805298@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.128.82.152] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:42:03 -!- Wentor [~deniz@78.171.11.54] has quit [] 01:46:29 Would a Common Lisp implementation in javascript be useful? 01:46:52 nffff [~nffff@c-50-183-123-25.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:46:58 Hasn't it been tried a couple of times, including parenscript? 01:47:38 ... Hrm. parenscript + node.js? 01:47:48 sohail [~sohail@75-119-248-79.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 01:47:48 -!- sohail [~sohail@75-119-248-79.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Changing host] 01:47:48 sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 01:47:51 Yeah, but.... I dunno, none of them really seem "complete". 01:48:19 jscl seems like the most interesting recent effort 01:48:28 And I'm referring to Common Lisp, not lispy syntax. 01:48:58 DarkLinkXXXX: an implementation of CL IN javascript might not be too useful. An implementation of CL that would compile TO javascript would be more interesting. 01:49:32 I agree. 01:50:06 Then it could compile it's own self to javascript, which is somehow also interesting. 01:50:07 wheelsucker [~wheelsuck@ip68-105-66-161.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 01:50:11 to NaCL would be pretty cool too 01:50:43 +1 01:50:48 I'll agree when NaCl isn't browser specific. 01:51:14 Sounds like a neat idea, but damn ambitious. I'd have to break it down a lot to even get started. 01:51:29 would this be your first CL project? 01:52:43 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 01:52:53 dlowe: Yeah, it would. I might wanna start smaller. A lisp interpreter might be a good start. 01:53:05 or not. 01:53:15 Lisp in Small Pieces http://pagesperso-systeme.lip6.fr/Christian.Queinnec/WWW/LiSP.html http://pagesperso-systeme.lip6.fr/Christian.Queinnec/Books/LiSP-2ndEdition-2006Dec11.tgz 01:53:26 Why not write something the general public can use? :) 01:56:57 There are some projects which compile "a lisp" or some subset of CL into javascript 01:58:38 ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@88.228.232.73] has joined #lisp 02:02:18 -!- _d3f [~gnu@vm5.rout0r.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:02:38 -!- hpd [~hpd@hpdeifel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:02:58 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@88.228.232.73] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:02:59 -!- ASau [~user@46.115.48.210] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:02:59 -!- ZombieChicken [~weechat@unaffiliated/forgottenwizard] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:02:59 -!- zxq9 [~ceverett@FL9-125-199-207-150.okn.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:02:59 -!- 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vmware may be causing the deadlock 20:38:44 I've had issues with vmware causing a deadlock with cl+ssl 20:38:57 they were never resolved 20:39:14 some kinds of tests may be inappropriate under virtualization 20:40:19 I wonder what sbcl is doing differently from other multi-threaded applications; but yeah, I guess vmware workstation is the issue. 20:40:51 SBCL builds fine on vmware server as recently as 6 months ago, though 20:41:18 CAS things, memory access reordering 20:44:48 could be new tests 20:46:06 nand1 [~user@se3x.mullvad.net] has joined #lisp 20:46:37 Krystof: could be, I guess I should try time travel, if just retrying doesn't fix the problem 20:47:19 -!- davazp [~user@177.Red-83-63-237.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 20:49:06 -!- vukung [~androirc@catv-86-101-32-210.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com )] 20:49:22 i don't recall any new tests in sb-concurrency recently 20:49:46 -!- ggole [~ggole@58-7-104-56.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [] 20:50:19 it's probably the difference between the Big Ass Server and the little laptop 20:50:40 -!- sunwukong [~androirc@catv-86-101-32-210.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:53:16 waa [~waa@187-5-57-197.ctame700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #lisp 20:58:20 -!- MoALTz [~no@user-31-175-247-158.play-internet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:59:24 Good news: it was a heisenbug; bad news: it was a heisenbug 20:59:33 hiyosi [~skip_it@126.73.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has joined #lisp 20:59:54 mindCrime [~prhodes@rrcs-98-101-159-194.midsouth.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 21:00:38 -!- mindCrime__ [~prhodes@rrcs-98-101-159-194.midsouth.biz.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:01:17 -!- dtw [dtw@pdpc/supporter/active/dtw] has left #lisp 21:01:58 -!- cgore [~cgore@cgore.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:04:00 -!- hiyosi 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Definately vmware. 21:08:32 hugod [~user@69.157.171.126] has joined #lisp 21:08:51 dmiles [~dmiles@c-50-137-36-57.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:09:11 -!- yakushin [~yakushin@46.148.30.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:11:38 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-50-137-36-57.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:11:53 is it frlock.1? 21:12:01 cgore [~cgore@cgore.com] has joined #lisp 21:14:37 -!- CatMtKing [~CatMtKing@108-224-122-111.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 21:15:57 -!- marsam is now known as marsambot 21:16:19 -!- hiroakip [~hiroaki@77-20-194-73-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:20:46 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p5DD14B4E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:21:24 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:22:30 get-protocol-by-name/error and (scrolled off) 21:22:53 that's because you don't have /etc/services 21:23:17 and /etc/protocols 21:23:58 -!- Validus [~Anonymous@cpc9-walt14-2-0-cust205.13-2.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:24:41 no no, I do 21:24:49 Validus [~Anonymous@cpc9-walt14-2-0-cust205.13-2.cable.virginm.net] has joined #lisp 21:25:21 unexpected errno ~A, which is not the most helpful error message ever :-P 21:25:59 but, suspecting vmware weirdness, I'm trying a third time 21:26:27 -!- cgore [~cgore@cgore.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:26:31 Davidbrcz_ [~david@i16-les03-th2-5-48-246-200.sfr.lns.abo.bbox.fr] has joined #lisp 21:27:15 -!- fiveop [~fiveop@p5DDC79F5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 21:30:57 hi 21:31:19 is there any package to generate ready to print reports? 21:31:30 -!- gendl [~dcooper8@c-98-250-10-50.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: gendl] 21:32:53 Posterdati: reports of what? 21:34:29 -!- Joreji_ [~thomas@155-223.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:34:41 jasom: I have to create reports from database querying 21:35:07 the database is a sexp expression 21:35:09 Posterdati: no. you will have to make it. please do a good job, and then share what you make. 21:37:24 no, but I could sell to you an original license of windows 98 21:40:09 gendl [~dcooper8@c-98-250-10-50.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:40:11 pnpuff [~harmonic@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 21:40:29 aaaand, this time sb-concurrency passed. 3rd time's the charm? Good enough for me, for now. 21:41:18 -!- pnpuff [~harmonic@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has left #lisp 21:42:11 da4c30ff__ [~da4c30ff@c18.adsl.tnnet.fi] has joined #lisp 21:42:18 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-128-95.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 21:42:28 -!- GuilOooo [~Guiloooo@mlir.info] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:43:00 GuilOooo [~Guiloooo@mlir.info] has joined #lisp 21:43:10 nand1` [~user@c-71-202-128-245.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:44:18 -!- bege [~bege@S0106001d7e5132b0.ed.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:44:19 -!- nand1 [~user@se3x.mullvad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:46:07 Posterdati: what does that have to do with anything? 21:46:18 -!- da4c30ff__ [~da4c30ff@c18.adsl.tnnet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:47:20 tburdick: sometimes, you can have concurrency in your programs! 21:47:26 we aim to be reliable, some of the time 21:48:31 -!- JJsky [~archonix@78.90.30.16] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:49:41 hrs_ [~textual@66.228.83.116] has joined #lisp 21:50:00 -!- marsambot is now known as marsam 21:50:22 hiroakip [~hiroaki@77-20-194-73-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 21:50:30 -!- hrs_ [~textual@66.228.83.116] has quit [Client Quit] 21:50:50 It helps keep the multithreaded programmer humble: it might succeed, it might deadlock, it might fail. Anything is possible! 21:52:17 -!- Houl [~Parmi@unaffiliated/houl] has quit [Quit: weil das Wetter so schön ist] 21:54:29 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-128-95.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:54:38 milanj [~milanj@cable-178-148-8-79.dynamic.sbb.rs] has joined #lisp 21:56:06 -!- tburdick [~tburdick@lon92-1-82-67-213-113.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bonne nuit] 21:56:19 -!- Acherontius [~user@204.116.186.34] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:57:29 Can someone help me understand why my LET* statement is not working properly? Its giving me UNDEFINED METHOD on the first arugment: http://paste.lisp.org/+317O 21:57:45 When i tested it sperately, it's giving me NIL, and i cant figure out why. 21:57:57 -!- gendl [~dcooper8@c-98-250-10-50.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: gendl] 21:58:12 bege [~bege@S0106001d7e5132b0.ed.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 21:58:31 Ayey_: "(dice)" is a function call. you want "dice" to just reference the variable. 22:00:25 hiyosi [~skip_it@126.73.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has joined #lisp 22:00:43 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:00:57 ASau [~user@p54AFF665.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 22:01:59 Ahh, stupid.. Thank you! 22:02:59 -!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:04:58 -!- hiyosi [~skip_it@126.73.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:05:28 cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has joined #lisp 22:05:58 -!- akbiggs [~akbiggs@64.215.161.70] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:06:07 yay! 22:06:55 Lara19 [~Lara19@67.221.255.55] has joined #lisp 22:07:57 -!- Lara19 [~Lara19@67.221.255.55] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:08:48 -!- Alfr [~Unknown@g225181139.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:09:21 i just edited graph-formatting.lisp to a better form! 22:09:24 heh 22:10:03 -!- JuanitoJons [~jreynoso@fixed-203-69-5.iusacell.net] has quit [Quit: Saliendo] 22:10:58 yzzyx [~user@host86-173-68-125.range86-173.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 22:11:10 mindCrime_ [~prhodes@rrcs-98-101-159-194.midsouth.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 22:11:13 -!- mindCrime [~prhodes@rrcs-98-101-159-194.midsouth.biz.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:12:00 kobain [~sambio@unaffiliated/kobain] has joined #lisp 22:12:25 Is there an actively maintained cl binding for mysql that everyone/significant mindshare uses? 22:13:04 everyone uses postgresql 22:14:03 ... I always wondered about that. Is that an accident of history? 22:14:11 hehe, that's good enough for me. pretend i asked for postgresql bindings 22:14:30 akbiggs [~akbiggs@64.215.161.70] has joined #lisp 22:14:38 minion: postmodern? 22:14:38 postmodern: No definition was found in the first 5 lines of http://www.cliki.net/postmodern 22:14:53 Odin-: postgresql was written in lisp some time ago, after all 22:14:54 thanks, i'll give it a whirl 22:17:37 sdemarre [~serge@91.180.106.182] has joined #lisp 22:18:18 gendl [~dcooper8@c-98-250-10-50.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:18:55 CatMtKing [~CatMtKing@108-224-122-111.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 22:18:58 -!- Ayey_ [~rune1@2-106-141-211-dynamic.dk.customer.tdc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:19:11 -!- Davidbrcz_ [~david@i16-les03-th2-5-48-246-200.sfr.lns.abo.bbox.fr] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:19:11 -!- gendl [~dcooper8@c-98-250-10-50.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 22:20:21 stassats`: PostgreSQL or Postgres? 22:20:31 (Or was it Ingres?) 22:20:50 Denommus` [~user@unaffiliated/denommus] has joined #lisp 22:21:09 iqool [~user@46.78.95.191] has joined #lisp 22:21:37 /? 22:21:47 -!- Denommus [~user@unaffiliated/denommus] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:21:52 yzzyx: there are a couple mysql libraries. dim recently used qmynd, and there's another called something like cl-mysql. 22:21:59 and i think clsql can talk to mysql 22:22:01 -!- segv- [~mb@95-91-211-99-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:22:05 Davidbrcz [~david@lns-sfr-5-48-246-200.dsl.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has joined #lisp 22:23:15 postmodern is the reason i would chose postgresql 22:23:17 Xach: cl-mysql seemed rather old, and while it may not be a problem, i'm always worried about potential bitrot creeping in 22:23:21 choose 22:24:53 that said, if there are any mysql implementations used enough by people that they were likely to wire bits back on if they fell off, having a mysql library would be nice, and clsql seems like it would be nicer to use for the retargetability. 22:26:24 -!- Denommus` [~user@unaffiliated/denommus] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:26:54 Alfr [~Unknown@g225181139.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 22:26:59 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@lns-sfr-5-48-246-200.dsl.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:27:02 Denommus` [~user@unaffiliated/denommus] has joined #lisp 22:27:11 -!- Joreji [~thomas@155-223.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:27:32 -!- Guest70733 [user@nat/google/x-ngfksdaldulskxyb] has left #lisp 22:28:05 brown [user@nat/google/x-pzqxewcqjyhdzqid] has joined #lisp 22:28:37 -!- brown is now known as Guest55309 22:29:33 -!- Denommus` [~user@unaffiliated/denommus] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:31:01 -!- add^_ [~user@m176-70-197-33.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 22:31:24 I haven't found that to be a realistic option in practice, since different databases have big differences in their features and syntax. 22:32:46 yeah, things like FULLTEXT in mysql can be orders of magnitude better than anything that would be sensibly wrapped 22:33:12 (in the context of mysql, not to suggest that mysql is superior to database X) 22:33:26 I already liked Postgres and Postmodern is a nice library for working with it 22:33:38 I think if I was using mysql I'd try qmynd because dim seems to use it 22:33:39 http://picpaste.com/pics/graph-Hq0nOTkI.1394231608.png 22:34:08 -!- Praise- is now known as Praise 22:34:17 I've not used postgres for years, so it's a good excuse to mess around with it again. 22:35:05 Data storage is always such fun, isn't it? 22:35:22 Isn't it, though? 22:35:38 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.180.106.182] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:36:11 Well, storage has an annoying tendency to shape the models you use. Deeply. 22:37:37 Xach: dim seems to be modifying qmynd more than using 22:37:41 i guess that's a good thing too 22:42:51 -!- ustunozg_ [~ustunozgu@88.228.232.73] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:43:23 -!- marsam is now known as marsambot 22:43:26 ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@li283-143.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 22:48:10 sellout- [~Adium@c-98-245-91-156.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:48:21 hm, also, someone else may have run into this- slime-tramp under windows gets confused with path separators when talking to a remote unix host- is there a known workaround? 22:48:29 gendl [~dcooper8@c-98-250-10-50.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:48:34 I think the problem might be in tramp itself, not sure, haven't looked into it much. 22:49:32 effectively i'll try to C-c C-k, for example, and it'll convert user@host:/a/b/c to \a\b\c and get abc, then explode in a heap. 22:51:07 well it's a duplication of one methods for which i diverted one of the ll-parameter specializersto the digraph one 22:51:37 hmm, i could have made it shorter another way maybe..... 22:51:53 since it's the same code exactly.... 22:52:07 bleh 22:54:05 who are you talking to? 22:54:19 to anyone who listens..... 22:56:26 and who will listen to out of context thoughts out loud? 22:56:49 -!- iqool [~user@46.78.95.191] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:56:55 you don't have to care if it's out of context for you do you ? 22:57:21 *prxq* grabs some popcorn 22:57:38 oleo: it's out of context for everyone 22:57:43 -!- LiamH [~healy@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:57:51 that's your opinion! 22:57:56 -!- developernotes [~developer@173-29-199-75.client.mchsi.com] has quit [] 22:57:57 you can just as well do cat > /dev/null and start typing, you will get the same results and #lisp will be spared of noise 22:58:59 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-101-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 22:59:33 -!- gendl [~dcooper8@c-98-250-10-50.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: gendl] 22:59:41 you are the noise! 22:59:47 do those things yourself! 23:00:41 the radio crackered 23:01:11 hiyosi [~skip_it@126.73.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has joined #lisp 23:02:50 lol 23:05:59 -!- hiyosi [~skip_it@126.73.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:06:16 -!- milanj [~milanj@cable-178-148-8-79.dynamic.sbb.rs] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:08:19 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:12:15 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-80-164.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:12:18 oleo: You write drivel and nonsense almost constantly. When you do try to contribute to the topic, you write things that are misleading at best and harmfully wrong at worst. 23:12:34 It is pretty annoying. 23:12:48 the answer will be "lol....." 23:14:02 i wrote what i changed, i even pasted an example pic, then i worded some things, ok i admit it may have been not so clear.....but otherwise ......if you couldn't see it..... 23:15:02 for the wrong things you have the right to correct me! 23:16:28 cpc26 [~cpc26@fsf/member/cpc26] has joined #lisp 23:16:37 http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/lw44/CLIM/html/climguide-282.htm#pgfId-49530 for conext! 23:16:40 err context* sorry 23:16:56 If the boolean merge-duplicates is t , then duplicate objects in the graph will share the same node in the display of the graph. That is, when merge-duplicates is t , the resulting graph will be a tree. I 23:17:02 -!- xani [~user@178.183.148.36.dsl.dynamic.t-mobile.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:17:29 it was not the case here, and i would get a method missing error.... 23:17:39 unless i did the changes..... 23:18:58 so tree | (and digraph dag) are both opposing in that respect..... 23:19:04 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-71-175-2-214.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 23:19:13 -!- emma [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:19:20 iqool [~user@46.78.95.191] has joined #lisp 23:19:30 gendl [~dcooper8@c-98-250-10-50.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:19:38 i still don't see why you are telling this 23:20:08 zajn [~zajn@2607:f140:400:b003:58f5:5eb2:ceaf:ebef] has joined #lisp 23:20:10 oh man..... 23:20:24 maybe try twitter? 23:20:33 no thanks.... 23:20:35 or tumblr, or what have you 23:20:44 -!- gendl [~dcooper8@c-98-250-10-50.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 23:21:27 reporting some misconceptions i found in some lib is a crime here or what ?= 23:21:43 nialo [~nialo@ool-2f10e575.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 23:21:47 it almost makes it sound like that.... 23:22:28 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:23:42 whatever you call what you're doing, what you're doing does not fit #lisp, you can try watching what other people are doing for an example 23:24:34 i don't see anyone else talk about lisp here sorry but all you talk is about slime or some other app.... 23:24:58 and that makes it equally unfit .... 23:25:13 -!- sellout- [~Adium@c-98-245-91-156.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:25:38 -!- optikalmouse [~omouse@69-165-245-60.cable.teksavvy.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:28:23 -!- hiroakip [~hiroaki@77-20-194-73-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:28:29 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@li283-143.members.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:40:42 kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-101-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 23:41:48 __prefect [~prefect@koln-4db41025.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 23:43:03 da4c30ff__ [~da4c30ff@c18.adsl.tnnet.fi] has joined #lisp 23:43:10 thepreacher [~thepreach@118.35.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has joined #lisp 23:45:38 -!- innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-50-159-9-43.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:47:29 -!- da4c30ff__ [~da4c30ff@c18.adsl.tnnet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:47:56 innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-50-159-9-43.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:48:22 -!- Code_Man` [~Code_Man@2a02:1205:5058:2f10:223:54ff:fe38:82c2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:48:28 -!- thepreacher [~thepreach@118.35.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:48:44 emma [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has joined #lisp 23:48:47 -!- senj [~senj@unaffiliated/senj] has quit [Quit: Sleep Now] 23:49:03 Sgeo [~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 23:51:57 sellout- [~Adium@ip-64-134-239-155.public.wayport.net] has joined #lisp 23:52:25 nisstyre [~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 23:53:26 railly [~lilin@202.197.224.244] has joined #lisp 23:53:51 -!- iqool [~user@46.78.95.191] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:59:51 senj [~senj@unaffiliated/senj] has joined #lisp