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ZZZzzz] 02:24:01 nydel: i want to build sbcl from git repo as the OS packaged sbcl is older 02:25:19 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@216.55.31.30] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:26:21 -!- karswell [~user@84.93.180.60] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:28:13 Watcher7 [~w@108.218.10.118] has joined #lisp 02:29:33 frkout_ [~frkout@101.110.31.120] has joined #lisp 02:32:38 -!- zfx [~zfx@host109-154-235-106.range109-154.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:32:59 -!- frkout [~frkout@101.110.31.250] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:33:04 -!- cheryllium [~chatzilla@128.237.173.104] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 27.0.1/20140212131424]] 02:36:13 -!- arubin [~arubin@99-114-192-172.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:36:59 arubin [~arubin@99-114-192-172.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 02:37:34 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:38:11 zRecursive: oh i see, that's why i couldn't make sense of it. which OS are you using, cent? 02:38:57 one of my vps's runs cent and is always behind on emacs, sbcl & a bunch of other stuff. stupid yum doesn't impress me at all 02:39:00 -!- abend [~quassel@75-148-54-129-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:39:05 FreeBSD 9.x 02:39:56 `pkg search sbcl` => sbcl-1.1.12,1 02:39:57 not into upgrading to 10.0? 02:40:10 not yet 02:40:40 probably wise. you're going for the newest stable of sbcl? 02:41:15 i will have to wait for it now 02:41:31 -!- antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:41:34 prxq__ [~mommer@x2f64c38.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #lisp 02:42:23 antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has joined #lisp 02:42:31 oh i misread that thought you said 1.0.etc ... you're already running 1.1.12.1 successfully? 02:42:45 yeah 02:42:57 did you just compile from source, easy-peasy? 02:43:13 just `pkg install sbcl` 02:44:13 sellout- [~Adium@2601:1:9b80:128:9bf:4bfc:bdb9:bea5] has joined #lisp 02:44:21 lovely.. i'm trying to find a shell or vm around here running fbsd9x so i can try what you're trying 02:44:35 you can be root? 02:44:55 yeah 02:45:03 Nizumzen [~Nizumzen@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #lisp 02:45:21 -!- prxq_ [~mommer@x2f6b813.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:45:34 you need to `git clone git://git.code.sf.net/p/sbcl/sbcl` first 02:45:59 -!- ZombieChicken [~weechat@ip68-224-46-40.lv.lv.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:46:56 ZombieChicken [~weechat@unaffiliated/forgottenwizard] has joined #lisp 02:48:14 yrk [~user@c-71-235-189-64.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:48:29 -!- yrk [~user@c-71-235-189-64.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 02:48:29 yrk [~user@pdpc/supporter/student/yrk] has joined #lisp 02:48:49 inside sbcl repl what variable holds the version number 02:50:00 i thought it was sb-sys::*software-version* but apparently it is not 02:53:31 -!- gmcastil [~user@97-122-163-48.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:54:35 -!- bgs100 [~bgs@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit [Quit: bgs100] 02:58:49 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 02:59:10 zophy [~venom@host-94-20-107-208.midco.net] has joined #lisp 02:59:15 WarWeasle [~Kaltara@172.242.21.170] has joined #lisp 03:06:27 -!- vkrest [~vkrest@2620:0:1cfe:18:902e:d8b4:69b5:52e] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:07:02 vkrest [~vkrest@2620:0:1cfe:b:a067:91c:ebe2:d006] has joined #lisp 03:07:32 -!- urandom__ [~user@p548A1F12.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 03:10:31 -!- MrWoohoo [~MrWoohoo@pool-74-100-140-127.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 03:12:21 Cseder [~MrModo@cA049BF51.dhcp.as2116.net] has joined #lisp 03:13:00 wow. there are actually people here! Or, I think it's people... 03:14:53 I've been programming for many years in C, Python C++, Java, C# and a little Perl. Now I'm interested in learning more about Lisp. 03:15:21 -!- sohail__ [~sohail@75-119-248-79.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 03:15:23 I work as a programer, so this will be on my spare time to begin with at least. 03:16:13 -!- Nizumzen [~Nizumzen@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:16:13 Is something like Franz a reason to get flamed in here? I thought it looked nice for a beginner... 03:16:39 Nizumzen [~Nizumzen@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #lisp 03:16:41 sohail__ [~sohail@75-119-248-79.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 03:16:54 Franz is nice. I'm cheap so I use sbcl. 03:17:34 I really don't know the difference. Just saw that it had a rather nice GUI and all... 03:17:41 -!- nicdev [~user@kilimanjaro.rafpepa.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:18:02 But Franz is Common Lisp right? 03:18:12 nicdev [~user@kilimanjaro.rafpepa.com] has joined #lisp 03:18:25 Because I'm reading up on CL 03:18:33 I haven't really used Franz but it is common lisp. 03:19:35 -!- vkrest [~vkrest@2620:0:1cfe:b:a067:91c:ebe2:d006] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:19:46 It has this form thing, kinda like an old version of Visual Basic or something... hehe. But it looks nice. When I'm more into it I'll switch to SLIME or Vi 03:20:11 -!- percopal [~percopal@cpe-72-227-136-13.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: percopal] 03:20:41 So what's sbcl like? 03:22:36 Sbcl is fast and its stable it seems like the most popular, but I'm mostly on lisp gae. 03:22:41 Games. 03:22:44 -!- alexherbo2 [~alexherbo@APlessis-Bouchard-154-1-83-61.w83-199.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3-dev] 03:23:11 alexherbo2 [~alexherbo@mawercer.de] has joined #lisp 03:23:21 So my circle is rather small and specialized. 03:23:52 Do you know about quicklisp? 03:24:04 Well, if the games require a decent amount of AI, it isn't that bad is it? 03:24:35 Heard (read) about it for like 10 seconds 03:25:22 -!- sheilong [~sabayonus@unaffiliated/sheilong] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 03:25:46 aHA, OVER 900 LIBRARIES WITH A FEW SIMPLE COMMANDS... 03:25:53 caps lock 03:25:58 I think so, but I'm not a spokesman. Also, I'm still a rookie. 03:26:08 usually disable it, but 03:26:41 yacks [~py@103.6.159.103] has joined #lisp 03:27:20 So, are there any "old timers" left here on #lisp? 03:27:21 But it has helped me become the better programmer. 03:27:32 -!- innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-50-159-9-43.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: innertracks] 03:27:44 I need to get some functional programming into my flow 03:28:29 -!- axion [~axion@cpe-67-246-18-219.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3] 03:28:52 I only havea few years. But there are some masters here, but I don't know who is who. 03:28:56 zfx [~zfx@host109-154-235-106.range109-154.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 03:29:58 axion [~axion@cpe-67-246-18-219.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 03:30:02 -!- axion [~axion@cpe-67-246-18-219.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 03:30:42 I'm on a tablet so I can't type. 03:31:45 -!- zfx [~zfx@host109-154-235-106.range109-154.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 03:32:15 WarWeasle: Is your tablet using WiFi ? 03:32:31 Yes. 03:32:58 which OS ? 03:33:24 aftershave_ [~textual@h-238-41.a336.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #lisp 03:33:27 Android. 03:34:02 You aren't going hack me are you? :) 03:34:13 i want to buy a moving device to run FreeBSD 03:34:16 axion [~axion@cpe-67-246-18-219.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 03:34:31 and Windows 03:35:10 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:35:14 tablet or notebook ? 03:35:43 -!- axion [~axion@cpe-67-246-18-219.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 03:35:53 Galaxy Tablet 6 in 03:35:55 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@5.76.185.228] has joined #lisp 03:35:55 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@5.76.185.228] has quit [Changing host] 03:35:55 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 03:35:57 axion [~axion@cpe-67-246-18-219.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 03:36:20 Inchs 03:36:29 -!- sohail__ [~sohail@75-119-248-79.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 03:36:37 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Client Quit] 03:36:52 Inches rather 03:38:18 KDr2 [~KDr2@219.144.253.24] has joined #lisp 03:38:31 -!- KDr2 [~KDr2@219.144.253.24] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 03:39:34 -!- WarWeasle [~Kaltara@172.242.21.170] has quit [Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com )] 03:39:57 -!- axion [~axion@cpe-67-246-18-219.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 03:40:35 axion [~axion@cpe-67-246-18-219.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 03:40:38 slyrus [~chatzilla@107.201.5.56] has joined #lisp 03:41:15 -!- axion [~axion@cpe-67-246-18-219.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:41:58 axion [~axion@cpe-67-246-18-219.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 03:42:17 seangrove [~user@2600:1010:b01a:c69a:18d2:21b4:c12c:9fb5] has joined #lisp 03:47:43 vkrest [~vkrest@76-244-38-58.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 03:48:46 percopal [~percopal@cpe-72-227-136-13.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 03:49:05 -!- aftershave_ [~textual@h-238-41.a336.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 03:50:27 -!- vkrest [~vkrest@76-244-38-58.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:51:02 vkrest [~vkrest@173.252.71.189] has joined #lisp 03:53:05 Could you run Windows and BSD on that? is it running on ARM? 03:54:13 minion: tell Cseder about pcl 03:54:13 Cseder: direct your attention towards pcl: pcl-book: "Practical Common Lisp", an introduction to Common Lisp by Peter Seibel, available at http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/ and in dead-tree form from Apress (as of 11 April 2005). 03:54:16 or windows in VM, maybe... 03:55:00 I'm reading it as we speak, but I doubt that it mentions tablets... 03:55:25 no, just thought it would be relevant to you in general. 03:55:46 and if you don't use franz (but doing so is fine) the usual dev environment is emacs with slime. 03:55:47 patrickwonders [~patrickwo@user-38q42ns.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #lisp 03:56:03 -!- percopal [~percopal@cpe-72-227-136-13.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: percopal] 03:56:13 ah, ok. tnx. I have it in epub... should have it in PDF though, or dead tree version, but it's expensive. 03:57:12 -!- klltkr_ [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz] 03:57:27 Maybe the pocket version is cheaper, but the hardcover is like $70 or something. 03:57:43 I like to read "real books" 03:58:01 Old habit dies hard 04:00:04 What's funny about Lisp is that the core language is tiny, but the spec (ANSI X3.226) is huge... 04:00:41 It's like if they've taken C++ and added the STL into the spec. 04:00:42 common lisp is huge. it doesn't have a 'core language' particularly. 04:00:54 C++ is huge even without stl :p 04:01:14 But it's mostly what other languages would call "libraries". 04:01:57 yes it has become large. 750 pages for the C++11 language alone without any libraries. 04:03:40 But it's what I'm most familiar with, after working with app development for some years, Lately it's mostly .Net and C# though... 04:03:50 boring high level stuff.. 04:04:14 Ana23 [~Ana23@79.141.172.14] has joined #lisp 04:04:17 Here some videos. I hope you like them! http://bit.do/my_videos69 04:04:32 Lisp is definetly high level as well, but in a totally different way. 04:04:52 Sure 04:05:08 Ana23, are they made in Lisp? 04:05:09 -!- Ana23 [~Ana23@79.141.172.14] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:05:11 ana's a spammer, ignore them 04:05:36 "HotXgirls" 04:06:12 Like I haven't had my dose of porn on the net already 04:06:28 -!- Denommus [~user@unaffiliated/denommus] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 04:09:24 What got me interested in Lisp in the first place was after reading the book "More Joel on Software". You know, the guy behind FogCreek and stuff. 04:09:55 Joel Sposkey 04:10:03 Spolsky 04:10:49 Have anybody read it? He based the whole company on Lisp 04:11:18 Well, ... 04:11:20 And it's doing very good. 04:12:01 I don't remember such a claim -- can you find it? 04:12:26 At least the first products that made the business take off. Maybe some more web technology behind the FogBugz and all, but a lot of Lisp. 04:12:37 zajn [~zajn@airbears2-136-152-142-143.AirBears2.Berkeley.EDU] has joined #lisp 04:12:59 Well, then i first have to find the book and search for the chapter... 04:13:26 Read the book! It's a good read if you like Lisp. 04:14:23 http://discuss.fogcreek.com/joelonsoftware/default.asp?cmd=show&ixPost=31402 04:15:26 That's not talking about fogcreek software. 04:15:47 As far as I know, FogCreek is not lisp based. 04:16:26 The first paragraph says "Fog Creek Software"... 04:17:43 But this article is not the direct link I was thinking of. This is alot of C++ blabla. But in the book he says it was written primarily in Lisp 04:18:48 I think you mean "The forum title says ... ". The first paragraph is about yahoo. 04:18:51 Anyway. He talks warmly of Lisp and that's what got me into learning about it. That was my point, not to argue. 04:19:15 Fair enough -- just be careful about unsubstantiated advocacy. 04:19:30 But I know what I've read. 04:19:43 Just can't prove it right here and now. 04:19:54 So chill, man. 04:20:17 Don't call me a fucking liar. 04:20:32 -!- seangrove [~user@2600:1010:b01a:c69a:18d2:21b4:c12c:9fb5] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:20:49 No matter how nicely put. 04:20:50 You might want to re-read the conversation, and try taking your own advice. 04:21:15 I think I'll take a raincheck on that one. 04:22:09 Fair enough -- it probably wasn't very good advice anyhow. :) 04:28:03 Pullphinger [~Pullphing@c-24-13-69-42.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 04:28:26 Here's an old plugin repo: https://github.com/rlb3/scripts/blob/master/fogbugz.lisp 04:29:34 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@107.201.5.56] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:30:13 slyrus [~chatzilla@107.201.5.56] has joined #lisp 04:31:40 That appears to be a plugin to use the fogbugz interface ... 04:32:13 ikki [~ikki@177.224.106.173] has joined #lisp 04:32:29 p_nathan [~Adium@c-24-143-76-6.customer.broadstripe.net] has joined #lisp 04:32:41 Yes. probably. And the Toronto-Lispers works on a frontend in Emacs to talk to the system as well, so that's hardly evidence. 04:34:16 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-184-240.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:35:05 This is nice, no matter what: https://xkcd.com/224/ 04:36:53 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-184-240.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:37:41 oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-191-112.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 04:37:58 -!- frkout_ [~frkout@101.110.31.120] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:38:34 frkout [~frkout@101.110.31.250] has joined #lisp 04:39:22 -!- cpc26 [~cpc26@fsf/member/cpc26] has quit [] 04:40:35 -!- DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@110.151.62.193] has quit [Quit: Disconnecting -- bye] 04:41:37 wccoder [~wccoder@154.20.58.178] has joined #lisp 04:41:47 -!- wccoder [~wccoder@154.20.58.178] has quit [Client Quit] 04:48:05 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:48:41 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 04:50:47 cpc26 [~cpc26@fsf/member/cpc26] has joined #lisp 04:54:01 -!- askatasuna [~askatasun@181.30.10.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:57:41 -!- Cseder [~MrModo@cA049BF51.dhcp.as2116.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:58:08 Cseder [~MrModo@cA049BF51.dhcp.as2116.net] has joined #lisp 04:59:08 askatasuna [~askatasun@181.30.10.50] has joined #lisp 05:00:31 -!- p_nathan [~Adium@c-24-143-76-6.customer.broadstripe.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:04:48 p_nathan [~Adium@c-24-143-76-6.customer.broadstripe.net] has joined #lisp 05:09:51 Fare [~fare@172.56.19.214] has joined #lisp 05:10:02 Why does the type specifier SATISFIES not accept arguments? 05:10:52 harish [~harish@175.156.126.138] has joined #lisp 05:14:43 inahandizha [inahandizh@112.204.175.73] has joined #lisp 05:14:53 -!- p_nathan [~Adium@c-24-143-76-6.customer.broadstripe.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:15:31 you mean to the function? 05:16:26 -!- Fare [~fare@172.56.19.214] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:16:40 http://VisitsToMoney.com/index.php?refId=386970 05:16:51 Yeah. It provides the ability to call your own predicates, but makes the assumption that they only accept one argument. 05:17:04 -!- arubin [~arubin@99-114-192-172.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 05:17:21 jleija [~jleija@50.15.142.21] has joined #lisp 05:17:30 i'd guess satisfies was a late and/or hacky addition to the type system, honestly 05:17:47 And the argument to SATISFIES must be a symbol. 05:18:16 karswell [~user@84.93.180.60] has joined #lisp 05:18:20 in any case, you can always write a one-argument wrapper around whatever function that you want to call 05:19:45 -!- inahandizha [inahandizh@112.204.175.73] has left #lisp 05:22:16 I see. That isn't very nice though. 05:25:37 -!- DalekBaldwin [~user@ip68-231-209-84.oc.oc.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:26:59 DalekBaldwin [~user@ip68-231-209-84.oc.oc.cox.net] has joined #lisp 05:27:15 -!- jleija [~jleija@50.15.142.21] has quit [Quit: leaving] 05:28:09 pillton: if you're looking for a nice type system, common lisp is nothing to look at :) 05:32:33 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-141-224-197.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 05:32:53 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@107.201.5.56] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:34:15 -!- ikki [~ikki@177.224.106.173] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:34:39 H4ns: What is it missing? I am not overly familiar with type systems. 05:34:43 -!- nydel [nydel@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-aoyhlwdrvoicsylx] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:37:13 computability comes to mind 05:38:37 tcr [~tcr@176.41.81.49] has joined #lisp 05:38:48 CL has 'check-type ? 05:40:54 class-of, type-of, satisfies 05:42:32 pillton: it is not so much about something that is missing, but more about the cl type system not being in the focus of the design of the language. 05:42:56 pillton: i.e. there is a type system, it is documented, but it can mostly be ignored while developing cl applications. 05:43:53 wow sbcl performs really well 05:44:23 it's the python compiler 05:44:39 dunno what they missed to port over from cmucl..... 05:45:10 cmucl had other things for which python was deemed not optimal or so.... 05:45:48 dunno.... 05:46:05 -!- jack_rabbit [~jack_rabb@c-50-148-124-212.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 05:46:27 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-101-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 05:48:06 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-80-164.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 05:52:25 patbarron [~pat@lectroid.com] has joined #lisp 05:52:47 -!- tali713 [~tali713@2001:0:53aa:64c:32:562a:b3ee:137e] has quit [*.net *.split] 05:52:49 -!- karupanerura [~karupaner@www13355ui.sakura.ne.jp] has quit [*.net *.split] 05:52:49 -!- pillton [~user@124-170-82-104.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [*.net *.split] 05:52:49 -!- cibs [~cibs@60-251-40-253.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 05:53:27 -!- ASau` is now known as ASau 05:56:30 drmeister [~drmeister@mobile-166-137-184-162.mycingular.net] has joined #lisp 05:57:32 -!- tic [~tic@c83-248-1-14.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 05:57:46 tali713 [~tali713@2001:0:53aa:64c:32:562a:b3ee:137e] has joined #lisp 05:57:46 karupanerura [~karupaner@www13355ui.sakura.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 05:57:46 pillton [~user@124-170-82-104.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 05:57:46 cibs [~cibs@60-251-40-253.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 05:58:29 -!- nand1 [~user@c-71-202-128-245.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:58:35 tic [~tic@c83-248-1-14.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 05:58:40 -!- ChanServ has set mode +o p_l 06:00:00 jack_rabbit [~jack_rabb@c-50-148-124-212.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 06:03:39 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-191-112.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:04:15 Adrianna20 [~Adrianna2@79.141.172.14] has joined #lisp 06:04:17 Hi! I give you some videos. I hope you like! http://bit.do/my_videos69 06:04:20 -!- Adrianna20 [~pl@tsugumi.brage.info] has been kicked from #lisp by p_l (Adrianna20) 06:04:24 grrr, too slow 06:04:27 -!- zRecursive [~czsq888@183.12.93.189] has left #lisp 06:04:31 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@mobile-166-137-184-162.mycingular.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:05:10 drmeister [~drmeister@mobile-166-137-184-162.mycingular.net] has joined #lisp 06:11:02 ggole [~ggole@203-59-133-78.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 06:11:52 -!- p_l has set mode -b *!*@77.231.59.198 06:12:42 -!- ChanServ has set mode -o p_l 06:13:56 -!- edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-109-193-013-113.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: activity discontinued because everything exploded] 06:15:50 sdemarre [~serge@91.180.73.150] has joined #lisp 06:16:38 -!- nisstyre [yourstruly@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:19:02 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 06:19:39 slyrus [~chatzilla@107.201.5.56] has joined #lisp 06:20:08 -!- jack_rabbit [~jack_rabb@c-50-148-124-212.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 06:21:57 -!- zophy [~venom@host-94-20-107-208.midco.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:23:45 -!- ehaliewicz [~user@50-0-51-28.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 06:24:56 -!- tali713 [~tali713@2001:0:53aa:64c:32:562a:b3ee:137e] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:25:39 angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has joined #lisp 06:26:14 KDr2 [~KDr2@219.144.253.24] has joined #lisp 06:28:16 tali713 [~tali713@2001:0:53aa:64c:32:562a:b3ee:137e] has joined #lisp 06:33:11 -!- bjz [~bjz@125.253.99.68] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:35:41 jack_rabbit [~jack_rabb@c-50-148-124-212.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 06:37:25 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.180.73.150] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:38:59 -!- prxq__ is now known as prxq 06:39:21 mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has joined #lisp 06:40:39 Joreji [~thomas@173-254.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 06:40:59 nice 06:43:11 *jaimef* ponders how you use lispworks in a repl on a remote server when it want's to gui. 06:43:28 sbcl is written in python? 06:44:27 mrSpec [~Spec@77-254-148-163.adsl.inetia.pl] has joined #lisp 06:44:27 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@77-254-148-163.adsl.inetia.pl] has quit [Changing host] 06:44:27 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 06:44:30 no, "python" is the name of sbcl's compiler, sorta. nothing to do with the language "python". 06:44:47 oh phew 06:44:50 -!- Watcher7 [~w@108.218.10.118] has quit [Quit: h] 06:44:58 jaimef: ssh x forwarding? 06:45:04 lol 06:45:11 bad enough it's a 32bit program 06:45:24 vncserver works better imho there 06:45:25 nisstyre [yourstruly@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 06:52:43 Shinmera [~linus@public-docking-pat-hg-mapped-0037.ethz.ch] has joined #lisp 06:57:09 Harag [~Thunderbi@41.13.64.166] has joined #lisp 06:57:27 bicyclette [~deglingo@ALille-251-1-120-210.w86-208.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 06:58:12 stanislav [~stanislav@bl6-228-245.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 07:00:59 -!- quasus [~stanislav@188.251.6.54] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:02:14 zophy [~venom@host-94-20-107-208.midco.net] has joined #lisp 07:03:23 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:06:09 bjz [~bjz@203-206-162-155.perm.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 07:07:56 jaimef: the "free" edition cannot be used headless. 07:09:29 -!- zajn [~zajn@airbears2-136-152-142-143.AirBears2.Berkeley.EDU] has quit [Quit: zajn] 07:09:50 -!- kobian [~sambio@unaffiliated/kobain] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:10:10 kobian [~sambio@unaffiliated/kobain] has joined #lisp 07:11:06 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@94.126.3.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:12:54 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:16:26 jamesf [~jamesf@212.159.87.127] has joined #lisp 07:16:45 mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has joined #lisp 07:17:03 -!- Joreji [~thomas@173-254.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:22:05 -!- emma [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:28:58 zajn [~zajn@108.205.50.54] has joined #lisp 07:32:44 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@mobile-166-137-184-162.mycingular.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:33:02 xificurC [~xificurC@chello085216176057.chello.sk] has joined #lisp 07:33:24 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-62-25.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 07:34:44 jewel_ [~jewel@105-237-57-213.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 07:38:51 -!- zajn [~zajn@108.205.50.54] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:39:14 -!- patbarron [~pat@lectroid.com] has quit [Quit: Exiting HexChat] 07:40:39 -!- Nizumzen [~Nizumzen@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 07:42:15 zajn [~zajn@c-67-164-92-172.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 07:42:32 innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-50-159-9-43.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 07:42:35 -!- 77CABIZU1 [~alectorom@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:45:13 The slime documentation for C-x C-x (slime-compile-defun) says 'the code for the region is executed after compilation'. Surely it cannot be executed without calling it with actual arguments. What does it mean? 07:45:43 the defun form is executed. all that does is define the function, not call it 07:46:02 emma [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has joined #lisp 07:46:33 ohh 07:47:51 mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 07:48:08 If you "compile" a function call, of course, it will be called as expected. 07:48:18 Probably should be called slime-compile-toplevel-form. 07:50:33 mcsontos [mcsontos@nat/redhat/x-xrkzbcpypezgqijg] has joined #lisp 07:50:37 must a setf expansion have a particular form? I have defined two, they have similar expansions, they both work as intended from the REPL, but when called from a function, one works ok, the other fails with a NIL error inside the setf machinery (I'm guessing) and I'm at a loss here 07:51:22 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 07:51:32 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 07:52:04 -!- emma [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:52:50 konroc: Paste? 07:52:53 Look at the expansions? 07:53:35 ok, a minute, please 07:56:09 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:57:07 -!- Bike [~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 07:57:50 Bike [~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu] has joined #lisp 07:58:38 -!- zajn [~zajn@c-67-164-92-172.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:59:51 -!- askatasuna [~askatasun@181.30.10.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:02:52 http://pastebin.com/uAwvWtwn 08:03:21 -!- ChanServ has set mode +o p_l 08:03:36 here are two stef-able functions: fld-val and fld-date; they access a structure with plists and possibly plists inside other plists 08:03:48 eval... 08:04:01 Zoe27 [~Zoe27@79.141.172.14] has joined #lisp 08:04:03 Here some videos. I hope you like them! http://bit.do/my_videos69 08:04:04 -!- Zoe27 [~pl@tsugumi.brage.info] has been kicked from #lisp by p_l (Zoe27) 08:04:08 grrrrrrrrr 08:04:14 konroc: just curious: how des (defun (setf fld-val) ...) not work for you? 08:04:20 dOes 08:04:33 why does the expansion use progn like that 08:04:39 if define-setf-expander doesn't call GET-SETF-EXPANSION, then there's a change something is wrong 08:04:44 konroc: as far as my experience goes, define-setf-expander is really just for complicated cases. 08:04:45 H4ns: it gives a NIL error (NIL is not of type CONS) 08:04:52 -!- ChanServ has set mode -o p_l 08:04:54 konroc: "it"? 08:05:10 H4ns: when called from a function 08:06:05 konroc: did you try using (defun (setf ...) (...) ...) first? 08:06:06 Bike: you mean the weird use of the temp-variables? So I don't get warnings 08:06:34 H4ns: no, I went for the supposedly most flexible way 08:07:06 and used it wrong 08:07:14 konroc: the "non-flexible" way is there for the cases where flexibility is not needed 08:07:15 stassats: but what should I pass to get-setf-expansion ? 08:07:24 clhs d-s-e 08:07:25 define-setf-expander: http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/m_defi_3.htm 08:07:26 clhs g-s-e 08:07:26 get-setf-expansion: http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_get_se.htm 08:07:38 read that 08:07:44 I have 08:07:58 zajn [~zajn@108.205.50.54] has joined #lisp 08:09:05 not well enough, then 08:09:18 -!- kobian [~sambio@unaffiliated/kobain] has quit [] 08:09:43 Davidbrcz [~david@182.6.15.109.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 08:10:02 are you going to help? I've read them enough. Also, one of the expansions work. The other does not and they are the first ones I do. The explanations of the clhs are a bit too terse 08:10:26 i immediately stop helping when someone says "are you going to help?" 08:10:44 what assholes are in this channel anyway? 08:10:55 wie bitte? 08:11:16 konroc: you'd use get-setf-expansion on the place. like if the structure you're accessing is the car of something, you have (fld-val (car ...)) or whatever 08:13:02 Bike: thanks, but car is already a setf-enabled function. How is Lisp going to figure out what to do if I call get-setf-expansion on the place I'm defining the expansion for? 08:13:29 that's what define-setf-expander does, it defines the result of get-setf-expansion 08:13:45 Okasu [~1@unaffiliated/okasu] has joined #lisp 08:14:06 however you need to use get-setf-expansion to look up how to access sub-places. you can imagine this for example with setfing the fld-val of a car; you need to set the car of whatever, not just some variable 08:14:30 konroc: it's not a NIL error, it's a not-of-type error! 08:15:04 sounds like a case of cargo cult programming 08:15:17 drmeister [~drmeister@mobile-166-137-185-153.mycingular.net] has joined #lisp 08:15:29 yes, stassats, keep helping 08:16:24 nha [~prefect@koln-4db4f530.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 08:16:43 pjb: it says "The value NIL is not of type CONS". Sorry I didn't use the right terms. 08:17:55 zfx [~zfx@host109-154-235-106.range109-154.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 08:18:08 Bike: I didn't use get-setf-expansion in the definition of fld-date, and it works as intended 08:18:21 stepnem [~stepnem@77.78.117.8] has joined #lisp 08:18:44 konroc: you've tried it on aref places, car places, stuff like that? (also "i tried it once" isn't really very good) 08:19:25 what a great way to get help, call people names, refuse to follow advice 08:20:00 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@107.201.5.56] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:21:15 Bike: There must be something I'm missing here, I understand this expansion is tailored to my data structure. Why should it be tested in car, aref, etc? 08:21:24 -!- zajn [~zajn@108.205.50.54] has quit [Quit: zajn] 08:24:13 You should be able to do (setf (foo (aref a i)) value) and have it work 08:24:22 also, if you provide some kind of backtrace rather than just the value that would help. 08:24:32 Same for any other setf-able place 08:26:45 from the expansion, you can see that (GETF 'R :KW) is unlikely to be the right thing 08:27:08 was wondering about that 08:27:17 Bike: I'd be happy to give you a backtrace, but I have tried (step (setf (fld-val ...))) and trace, both don't show anything useful. They show the call about to be made into the setf and then, even if I pick 'step into function' there's only this 'The value NIL is not of type CONS' error 08:27:33 not a trace, a backtrace 08:27:52 the thing that pops up in sldb as soon as an error arises showing the call path 08:29:34 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@182.6.15.109.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 08:29:42 clearly, (setf (getf (getf (car (getf NIL :kw)) :val) :a) 10) will give such an error 08:30:34 shridhar [Shridhar@nat/redhat/x-mspeztztmyotgksw] has joined #lisp 08:32:33 -!- innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-50-159-9-43.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: innertracks] 08:33:56 -!- therik [~therik@109.110.247.39] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:34:15 The backtrace is at http://pastebin.com/TV1kxsn0 08:34:38 along with the function used in the call. 08:35:11 heh, well that's useless, so i'm guessing stassats has got it 08:36:12 zickzackv [~faot@port-92-198-30-130.static.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 08:36:24 that nested plist doesn't look regular at all 08:37:12 :TIT plist is at :VAL, but :AUTOR isn't 08:37:56 stassats: it's not. I'm keeping the history of any changes to any fields. Just an exercise. That's why it looks convoluted, but it works from the REPL and not when called from inside a function 08:38:22 if that plist is of your own invention, then better think up something more regular 08:38:57 I believe I'm not entirely free to write anything in the read-form and update-form 08:39:26 since you are complaining about the expansion 08:41:06 and symbols separated by / is not the best way for expressing nested keys 08:41:22 (get-value x :book :title) would do better 08:42:58 -!- zophy [~venom@host-94-20-107-208.midco.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:43:19 therik [~therik@109.110.247.39] has joined #lisp 08:44:12 and you are not doing anything to the KEY in that expansion, your fld-val-place is examining for / at compile-time, and of course, it can't do that (defun bi (rsrc key value) (setf (fld-val rsrc key) value)) 08:44:28 well, basically, everything is wrong 08:46:00 That's how one learns 08:47:58 You don't need to crash a car to learn how to drive one. 08:48:16 Shinmera: i would if i could! 08:48:37 nothing like crashing to know where the limits are 08:50:06 plus you get such a great look at usually sealed parts of the engine 08:50:11 Surely I'm going against the grain but there's hidden machinery here: setf and macros behaving differently in the REPL or inside a function. 08:50:28 no, it's run-time vs compile-time 08:51:11 konroc: yeah no, the problem is that your functions examine the literal form, which here is "rsrc" or something. it's not hidden, you're doing something different 08:51:40 s/your function/your self expander/ or something probably 08:51:56 varjagg [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has joined #lisp 08:52:40 the problem is that I would like the expansion to be different at run time each time. The expansion of :keyword/a/b is different from the expansion of :keyword or :keyword/a/b/c/d and that's whats tripping the mechanism here. 08:52:55 stassats: Bike: Hmm, true enough. Though I would still prefer to research crashes that already happened before crashing myself. 08:53:25 -!- bjz [~bjz@203-206-162-155.perm.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:53:34 crashing car is painful, crashing CAR is not 08:53:47 -!- zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 08:53:57 -!- nha [~prefect@koln-4db4f530.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:54:39 when the expansion is fixed, as with fld-date, everything works. 08:57:05 Code_Man` [~Code_Man@2a02:1205:5058:1cb0:223:54ff:fe38:82c2] has joined #lisp 08:58:24 trebor_dki [~user@153.96.244.11] has joined #lisp 08:58:39 -!- xificurC [~xificurC@chello085216176057.chello.sk] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 09:02:34 -!- Shinmera [~linus@public-docking-pat-hg-mapped-0037.ethz.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:03:14 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 09:04:06 wanted to write a quick define-setf-expander, there's nothing quick about DEFINE-SETF-EXPANDER 09:04:36 basically, take a look at the GETF expansion 09:04:43 compare (get-setf-expansion '(getf (car x) :z)) and (get-setf-expansion '(getf x :z)) 09:05:05 gh0stl4b [~gh0stl4b@78.157.231.52] has joined #lisp 09:05:05 see how it wraps the setter form 09:05:55 you can get the source of it by M-. 09:06:01 -!- Harag [~Thunderbi@41.13.64.166] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:06:21 clhs 5.1.1.2 09:06:21 Setf Expansions: http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/05_aab.htm 09:09:03 Shinmera [~linus@public-docking-pat-etx-mapped-0001.ethz.ch] has joined #lisp 09:14:58 Harag [~Thunderbi@41.13.64.166] has joined #lisp 09:15:55 -!- Cseder [~MrModo@cA049BF51.dhcp.as2116.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:16:05 I'll try that, thanks! 09:16:07 -!- nug700 [~nug700@71-223-49-170.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 09:18:28 przl [~przlrkt@95.87.193.4] has joined #lisp 09:22:49 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has joined #lisp 09:23:03 -!- ZombieChicken [~weechat@unaffiliated/forgottenwizard] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:23:21 -!- Atrumx [~Atrumx@unaffiliated/fivedeltasix] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:23:39 emma [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has joined #lisp 09:23:48 ZombieChicken [~weechat@unaffiliated/forgottenwizard] has joined #lisp 09:24:53 vaporatorius [~vaporator@80.31.47.36] has joined #lisp 09:32:26 emma_ [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has joined #lisp 09:38:16 MrWoohoo [~MrWoohoo@pool-74-100-140-127.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 09:38:19 -!- vkrest [~vkrest@173.252.71.189] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:44:41 zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 09:50:35 nostoi [~nostoi@57.Red-80-39-205.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 09:55:40 ck [~ck@dslb-094-219-236-112.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 09:57:21 -!- zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:57:21 -!- Code_Man` [~Code_Man@2a02:1205:5058:1cb0:223:54ff:fe38:82c2] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:57:29 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-80-164.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:58:52 y_pe [~user@w-113.cust-13410.ip.static.uno.uk.net] has joined #lisp 09:59:00 -!- ck`` [~ck@dslb-094-219-236-112.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:00:46 -!- gh0stl4b [~gh0stl4b@78.157.231.52] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:02:00 -!- ChanServ has set mode +o p_l 10:04:50 Amy24 [~Amy24@79.141.172.14] has joined #lisp 10:04:52 Hi! I give you some videos. I hope you like! http://bit.do/my_videos69 10:04:55 -!- Amy24 [~pl@tsugumi.brage.info] has been kicked from #lisp by p_l (Amy24) 10:05:05 ... copy paste is too slow, will have to write a bot 10:05:13 -!- ChanServ has set mode -o p_l 10:05:46 femalename\d\d 10:05:59 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:07:13 has anyone told staff about this? 10:08:53 mc40 [~mcheema@146.255.107.122] has joined #lisp 10:09:34 p_l: Just ban 79.141.172.14 ... /mode #lisp +b *!*@79.141.172.14 10:09:46 -!- vaporatorius is now known as Vaporatorius 10:10:51 lyanchih [~lyanchih@118-163-141-228.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 10:11:00 -!- lyanchih [~lyanchih@118-163-141-228.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Client Quit] 10:12:28 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 10:13:41 -!- varjagg [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:14:51 This is clearly an experiment to test how long it takes #lisp to automate a solution. Clearly the bots in the channel are either (a) not yet advanced enough to come up with a solution or (b) (more likely) on the side of Amy24 and her sisters. 10:14:59 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:16:49 brucem: every instance comes from different IP 10:16:59 varjagg [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has joined #lisp 10:17:03 ah, the last 2 were the same. 10:17:30 brucem: I'd need to ban a big international ISP to kick them for sure 10:21:15 -!- nihils [~nichtdieb@kons-4d03cce3.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com] 10:21:30 nichtdiebohne [~nichtdieb@kons-4d03cce3.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 10:24:22 zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 10:32:30 -!- ck is now known as ck`` 10:37:54 -!- Harag [~Thunderbi@41.13.64.166] has quit [Quit: Harag] 10:41:15 Jayk97 [~quassel@50.13.169.64] has joined #lisp 10:42:12 -!- karupanerura is now known as zz_karupanerura 10:44:29 -!- KCL [~quassel@50.13.169.64] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:47:20 pavelpenev [~quassel@melontech.com] has joined #lisp 10:51:40 zophy [~venom@host-94-20-107-208.midco.net] has joined #lisp 10:52:44 Praise- [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has joined #lisp 10:53:16 splittist: I mean I could fix it for myself here in ERC 10:53:26 if I had the time and was actually paying attention to the channel 10:53:31 -!- Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:53:38 eudoxia [~eudoxia@r179-24-24-195.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 10:53:39 but that doesn't fix it for everyone else. Maybe we should just deploy the black helicopters 10:54:04 Krystof: helping this channel won't be good enough for you, eh? 10:54:18 Krystof: can't you sense the suffering? 10:54:29 -!- Pullphinger [~Pullphing@c-24-13-69-42.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [] 10:54:53 ck [~ck@dslb-094-219-236-112.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 10:56:24 KaiQ [~localhost@p578FC3E4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 10:56:30 suffering leads to hate 10:56:33 hate leads to social networking 10:56:39 social networking leads to crazy valuations 10:56:45 that all sounds good to me 10:58:02 -!- ck`` [~ck@dslb-094-219-236-112.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:58:39 -!- ck is now known as ck`` 10:59:16 Code_Man` [~Code_Man@2a02:1205:5058:1cb0:223:54ff:fe38:82c2] has joined #lisp 11:01:23 -!- Shinmera [~linus@public-docking-pat-etx-mapped-0001.ethz.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:03:10 nop0x07bc [~pon1980@h107n8-aepv-d7.ias.bredband.telia.com] has joined #lisp 11:06:15 -!- nostoi [~nostoi@57.Red-80-39-205.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 11:06:45 -!- nop0x07bc [~pon1980@h107n8-aepv-d7.ias.bredband.telia.com] has left #lisp 11:15:47 common-lisper [~yaaic@206.29.182.143] has joined #lisp 11:16:33 -!- common-lisper [~yaaic@206.29.182.143] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:16:45 common-lisper [~yaaic@ip72-200-107-97.tc.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 11:21:51 U177CABIZ [~Ulvan@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has joined #lisp 11:24:11 -!- mksan [~fabian@1-1-10-33a.rny.sth.bostream.se] has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:24:58 -!- aluuu [~aluuu@77.242.110.178] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:25:28 dmiles [~dmiles@c-67-189-17-39.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 11:26:14 mksan [~fabian@1-1-10-33a.rny.sth.bostream.se] has joined #lisp 11:26:49 aluuu [~aluuu@77.242.110.178] has joined #lisp 11:27:16 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-67-189-17-39.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:28:15 -!- mksan is now known as pie 11:28:28 -!- pie is now known as mksan 11:28:32 -!- mksan [~fabian@1-1-10-33a.rny.sth.bostream.se] has quit [Client Quit] 11:30:43 -!- aluuu [~aluuu@77.242.110.178] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:31:14 nand1 [~user@c-71-202-128-245.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 11:32:13 -!- common-lisper [~yaaic@ip72-200-107-97.tc.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Yaaic - Yet another Android IRC client - http://www.yaaic.org] 11:32:27 I guess if you put +M on #lisp it'll solve the problem. But it's too restrictive in my opinion. 11:33:07 aluuu [~aluuu@77.242.110.178] has joined #lisp 11:33:50 common-lisper [~yaaic@ip72-200-107-97.tc.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 11:35:21 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 11:35:50 -!- common-lisper [~yaaic@ip72-200-107-97.tc.ph.cox.net] has quit [Client Quit] 11:36:36 (why are people posting pr0n links suddenly in #lisp?) 11:36:51 theos: Why do you think it's pr0n? 11:37:02 Okasu i opened it? 11:37:33 theos: Wow, never thought that anyone will open it. 11:37:47 more like my client got the title of the page 11:37:47 -!- Okasu [~1@unaffiliated/okasu] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 11:37:59 -!- zfx [~zfx@host109-154-235-106.range109-154.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:38:51 why do they only target #lisp? 11:39:07 Okasu [~1@unaffiliated/okasu] has joined #lisp 11:40:25 xificurC [~xificurC@chello085216176057.chello.sk] has joined #lisp 11:41:15 -!- lemoinem [~swoog@198-200-113-67.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:41:32 lemoinem [~swoog@198-200-113-67.cpe.distributel.net] has joined #lisp 11:42:29 -!- InvalidCo [~invalidco@dsl-lhtbrasgw2-54f824-20.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:43:08 -!- KaiQ [~localhost@p578FC3E4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:43:35 InvalidCo [~invalidco@dsl-lhtbrasgw2-54f824-20.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #lisp 11:45:13 Because it's their target audience. 11:45:38 Also #lisp doesn't require registration or ban people with stupid nicks. 11:47:13 -!- mc40 [~mcheema@146.255.107.122] has quit [Quit: mc40] 11:47:13 What was the nick of the last one? 11:48:30 mksan [~fabian@1-1-10-33a.rny.sth.bostream.se] has joined #lisp 11:49:54 ... #lisp their target audience? :D 11:50:19 -!- ChanServ has set mode +o p_l 11:50:44 Zoe27 11:51:38 last one was Amy24 11:52:10 I have to say they have impressive accuracy of time keeping :) 11:52:20 it's almost like they're not human 11:52:26 ;) 11:52:31 maybe they are lisp bots thats why they are targeting #lisp :) 11:53:21 Just ban all nicks ending with a pair of digits. 11:53:53 *theos* points at cpc26__ 11:54:06 -!- Praise- [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:55:24 only 8 people with nicks ending with a pair of digits 11:55:28 -!- lemoinem [~swoog@198-200-113-67.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:55:59 Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has joined #lisp 11:57:05 cpc26__ doesn't end with a pair of digits. 11:58:04 bobbysmith007 does. As does ConstantineXVI (: 11:58:05 -!- Zhivago [~lys@unaffiliated/zhivago] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:58:09 mc40 [~mcheema@146.255.107.122] has joined #lisp 11:58:09 -!- mc40 [~mcheema@146.255.107.122] has quit [Client Quit] 11:58:36 mc40 [~mcheema@146.255.107.122] has joined #lisp 11:58:46 dbh [~user@182.55.3.19] has joined #lisp 11:58:56 lemoinem [~swoog@198-200-113-67.cpe.distributel.net] has joined #lisp 11:59:01 Zhivago [~lys@unaffiliated/zhivago] has joined #lisp 12:00:04 And the beirc default Guest... nicks 12:01:14 i didnt want to highlight _cpc26_ 12:04:17 -!- Bike [~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:04:23 -!- bicyclette [~deglingo@ALille-251-1-120-210.w86-208.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 12:06:08 Natalia19 [~Natalia19@79.141.172.14] has joined #lisp 12:06:11 You can find funny videos here. http://bit.do/my_videos69 12:06:15 -!- Natalia19 [~pl@tsugumi.brage.info] has been kicked from #lisp by p_l ( Those should be kept private ) 12:06:27 fscking clibpboard was broken this time >_> 12:06:49 (kicking \Uffffff' wouldn't be too effective) 12:06:51 .. 12:07:00 -!- ChanServ has set mode -o p_l 12:07:16 Adlai [~Adlai@gateway/tor-sasl/adlai] has joined #lisp 12:07:47 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 12:07:58 -!- ChanServ has set mode +o p_l 12:08:04 maybe we can ask the person why they are posting such links before kicking them 12:08:09 -!- p_l has set mode +b *!*@79.141.172.14 12:08:13 You can't -- they're not actually connected. 12:08:20 -!- ChanServ has set mode -o p_l 12:08:28 apparently they got stuck on one IP for some time now 12:08:30 bicyclette [~deglingo@ALille-251-1-120-210.w86-208.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 12:08:36 previously they were all over the place 12:09:26 isp is Kaia Global Networks Ltd. its known for forum spam 12:10:05 theos: it's also a pretty big network with multiple locations in EU at least 12:11:02 p_l if its a proxy network then its alright to ban the whole network? 12:11:11 Bike [~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu] has joined #lisp 12:11:19 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:11:41 theos: at least one case used network block of Vodafone 12:12:08 (we actually have a ban in the banlist showing it) 12:12:26 and it's not so much a proxy network as transit seller 12:12:34 and colocation seller 12:12:56 -!- dbh [~user@182.55.3.19] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:14:30 71.177.95.2 belongs to Verizon. 12:15:48 and 77.231.59.0 which has an entry in our banlist with suspiciously similar link is Vodafone Spain 12:15:58 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-80-164.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 12:16:49 oh i couldnt see that one 12:18:23 hmm looks like its been going on for weeks now. that ban was made on Feb 5 12:18:52 Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has joined #lisp 12:19:29 bjz [~bjz@125.253.99.68] has joined #lisp 12:20:17 spam on freenode, what else is new :P 12:20:54 -!- effy [~x@114.246.80.215] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:21:20 zfx [~zfx@host109-154-235-106.range109-154.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 12:21:47 -!- Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:22:11 I think a check of the logs would show that the discussion of what to do about an hourly 6 word + url message is significantly larger than the sum total of the spam itself. Not a criticism, just an observation. 12:23:02 The talk about an issue is almost always greater than the problem demands. 12:24:10 Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has joined #lisp 12:24:28 Of course, it's not like it's driving out intense lisp-centric discussion. 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