00:01:00 -!- vaporatorius [~vaporator@80.31.47.36] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:01:29 -!- stepnem [~stepnem@77.78.117.8] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:01:56 -!- ASau [~user@p54AFF586.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:02:47 I guess there's always the original paper about the CL pretty printer. 00:03:41 -!- alexherbo2 [~alexherbo@mawercer.de] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 00:04:06 drewc1 [~drewc@S0106c8d71945c789.vn.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 00:04:15 -!- LiamH [~healy@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:04:18 Isabella18 [~Isabella1@95.141.27.41] has joined #lisp 00:04:20 You can find funny videos here. http://bit.do/my_videos69 00:04:39 -!- drewc [~drewc@S0106c8d71945c789.vn.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:05:08 -!- Isabella18 [~Isabella1@95.141.27.41] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:05:12 -!- ChanServ has set mode +o p_l 00:05:37 eh, late 00:05:43 -!- ChanServ has set mode -o p_l 00:06:42 impulse [~impulse@65.92.154.85] has joined #lisp 00:08:52 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 00:10:11 zajn [~zajn@108.205.50.54] has joined #lisp 00:11:14 sytse [sytse@swielinga.nl] has joined #lisp 00:15:30 -!- ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:17:26 -!- kanru [~kanru@118-163-10-190.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:17:54 -!- musicalchair [~musicalch@192.241.203.74] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:19:09 musicalchair [~musicalch@192.241.203.74] has joined #lisp 00:21:04 innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-50-159-9-43.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:25:07 Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has joined #lisp 00:27:59 -!- ikki [~ikki@187.191.6.54] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:30:28 is there a (define-function) equiv in CL? 00:31:58 nand1 [~user@c-71-202-128-245.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:32:53 s/define/describe/ 00:33:08 -!- bcoburn [~nialo@ool-2f10e575.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:33:25 bcoburn [~nialo@ool-2f10e575.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 00:34:12 (describe 'function) ? 00:34:18 (or maybe #'function) 00:34:46 -!- cory786 [~cory@adsl-75-22-101-128.dsl.bumttx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:35:05 (documentation 'sin 'function) 00:35:11 (documentation (function sin) t) 00:35:29 -!- sjl [~sjl@li136-50.members.linode.com] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 00:36:04 -!- mc40 [~mcheema@146.255.107.122] has quit [Quit: mc40] 00:36:04 sjl_ [~sjl@li136-50.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 00:36:11 CrazyWoods [~nowolfer@208.76.253.146] has joined #lisp 00:37:01 -!- zz_karupanerura is now known as karupanerura 00:38:38 -!- Fare [~fare@cpe-72-229-109-116.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:40:32 that's it 00:41:17 bjz_ [~bjz@125.253.99.68] has joined #lisp 00:41:42 ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has joined #lisp 00:43:11 -!- prxq [~mommer@x2f6cec9.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:45:01 -!- bjz [~bjz@125.253.99.68] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:45:05 normanrichards [~textual@cpe-24-27-51-104.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 00:46:21 *jaimef* hugs cl-ppcre 00:47:18 -!- innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-50-159-9-43.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:47:35 pierre1_ [~pierre1@179.218.154.208] has joined #lisp 00:48:29 genericus [~user@71-9-194-123.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com] has joined #lisp 00:50:00 -!- nydel [nydel@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-llatuqilohqfnorb] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:50:02 -!- zfx [~zfx@host109-154-235-106.range109-154.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:50:11 nydel [nydel@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-aoyhlwdrvoicsylx] has joined #lisp 00:50:19 innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-50-159-9-43.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:50:45 ok got something working. https://gist.github.com/9084033 any style/design issues that are clearly not lispy? 00:51:48 jaimef: have you heard of expertSexChange? 00:51:58 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:54:09 no ack :-( 00:55:11 00:55:17 -!- pierre1_ [~pierre1@179.218.154.208] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:55:22 Sgeo [~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 00:55:38 pierre1_ [~pierre1@179.218.154.208] has joined #lisp 00:55:56 jaimef: it was expertsExchange, but since domain names, like the default configuration of the CL reader are case insensitive, the confusion ensue. 00:56:18 Don't use camel case in lisp, unless you escape the symbol: |writeFile| or write-file. 00:56:58 k 00:57:38 reb`: I wrote in more than 15 years ago and I don't see it here anyplace. 00:57:58 jaimef: don't use physical pathname namestrings, when a logical pathname namestring would do. "servers.txt" works as well as "./servers.txt"; now pure logical pathnames namestring would be all upper case, but most implementation accept also lower case . 00:58:32 gotcha 00:58:49 jaimef: don't use format to build pathnames, use make-pathname: (make-pathname :directory '(:relative) :name (format nil "~A-~A" ) :type "json" :case :local) 00:59:02 *jaimef* takes notes 00:59:55 jaimef: don't use implementation dependant packages such as sb-thread, when portability libraries exist such as bordeaux-threads --> (ql:quickload "bordeaux-threads") (bt:make-thread (lambda () )) 01:00:40 ok 01:00:43 nice 01:00:44 You may prefer (loop for monitor = (read-line stream nil) while monitor do ) over (do ), or not. 01:01:16 :) another way to do my indenting: (format t "~v,,,'-@A~%" 10 #\x) 01:01:27 You may also use string-trim to allow for spaces around data in configuration files. 01:01:49 (incf count) = (setf count (+ count 1)) 01:01:57 k 01:02:43 :if-exists :supersede is what you want in general. :overwrite doesn't do what you think, read clhs open again. 01:03:43 clintm [~clintm@001e52f0de2b.click-network.com] has joined #lisp 01:04:11 Any diff between ":supersede" and ":overwrite" ? 01:04:25 zRecursive: a big one. clhs open 01:04:36 clhs open 01:04:37 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_open.htm 01:05:33 :rename and :rename-and-delete could be alternatives to :supersede, but most implementations on POSIX systems don't make a difference between them. 01:06:29 -!- Code_Man` [~Code_Man@2a02:1205:5058:1cb0:223:54ff:fe38:82c2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:06:38 :supersede seems safer than :overwrite ? 01:06:45 -!- ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:06:46 Yes. 01:06:55 zRecursive: :overwrite doesn't truncate the file! 01:06:58 jaimef: that's about it. 01:07:04 i see 01:07:14 now 01:08:43 ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has joined #lisp 01:09:33 -!- harish [~harish@175.156.126.138] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:10:07 Going to bed. In the meantime, be sure to consult clhs for any operator you use ;-) 01:13:09 -!- ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:17:20 pjb thanks again 01:21:17 -!- klltkr_ [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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https://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/tivihelp/v8r1/topic/com.ibm.netcool_OMNIbus.doc_7.3.0/omnibus/wip/install/concept/omn_pln_overviewofdeploymenteng.html 02:57:15 ? 02:57:57 this one ? 02:59:09 1. collection of articles 2. vehicle for carrying many passengers: bus. 02:59:17 i haven't checked the link yet 02:59:42 https://github.com/opscode/omnibus-ruby <--- this. 02:59:59 -!- sellout- [~Adium@2601:1:9b80:128:8416:dab5:5ebc:ebdc] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:00:12 It's written in ruby, but it's designed to simply create self-contained packages that will be later unpacked and used on different systems 03:01:27 looks like an IBM system. omni = all, bus = carrier, so i guess that's where they get the name 03:01:38 it's not IBM related ;) 03:01:39 sellout- [~Adium@c-67-176-56-71.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:01:51 (though apparently opscode added some code to handle AIX recently) 03:02:32 was looking at: " Welcome to the IBM Tivoli Netcool/OMNIbus information center." 03:02:38 -!- gmcastil [~user@97-122-163-48.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:03:08 https://speakerdeck.com/schisamo/eat-the-whole-bowl-building-a-full-stack-installer-with-omnibus <--- a bunch of slides 03:03:20 DataLinkDroid: yeah, that's something completely different :) 03:03:29 -!- sohail__ [~sohail@75-119-248-79.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 03:03:51 the one you found is iirc part of IBM's network monitoring/management suite 03:04:41 -!- antonv` [~user@93.171.161.176] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:04:42 yep 03:05:16 the closest I've got to Tivoli OMNI stuff was dealing with NetView on z/OS 03:07:46 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 03:10:36 *jaimef* hunts for the friendliest distro 03:11:00 -!- wilfredh [sid159@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lbxucmjfamyzqgle] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:11:53 jaimef dies friendless 03:13:24 -!- 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sure 03:26:53 zfx [~zfx@host109-154-235-106.range109-154.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 03:26:59 Do we really need eq,eql and equal ? 03:27:16 yes 03:27:35 at the very least, EQ as separate test 03:27:50 clhs eq 03:27:50 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_eq.htm 03:28:52 damn it ! sometimes i cannot visit www.lispworks.com :( 03:29:11 maybe the water got to it 03:29:49 aftershave_ [~textual@h-238-41.a336.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #lisp 03:29:59 zRecursive: sometimes we have to face up to things we would rather avoid.. ;-) 03:31:17 -!- zfx [~zfx@host109-154-235-106.range109-154.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:31:45 -!- joneshf-work [~joneshf@167.222-62-69.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:32:31 such as avoiding to use eq ? i alwasy use eql :) 03:32:37 frkout [~frkout@101.110.31.120] has joined #lisp 03:33:49 zRecursive: i was referring to your sometime inability to visit lispworks.com ;-) 03:34:29 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I give you some videos. I hope you like! http://bit.do/my_videos69 04:05:01 -!- Sandy25 [~Sandy25@95.141.20.196] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:07:26 -!- nilsi_ [~nilsi@112.222.211.114] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:07:48 -!- Nizumzen [~Nizumzen@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 04:09:17 joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@c-98-208-36-36.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 04:09:51 -!- zajn [~zajn@c-67-164-92-172.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: zajn] 04:22:16 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 04:22:23 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Disconnected by services] 04:22:51 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 04:24:47 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-141-225-104.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 04:26:02 -!- jpfuentes2 [~jacques@pool-173-53-102-185.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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I finally got commonqt to work, on windows 8 05:48:14 :D 05:48:41 it was much less of a hassle than a thought... 05:50:01 -!- sjl_ is now known as sjl 05:56:39 Atrumx [~Atrumx@unaffiliated/fivedeltasix] has joined #lisp 05:59:11 -!- innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-50-159-9-43.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:04:07 Hannah27 [~Hannah27@95.141.20.196] has joined #lisp 06:04:09 You can find funny videos here. http://bit.do/my_videos69 06:04:57 -!- Hannah27 [~Hannah27@95.141.20.196] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:11:05 -!- Watcher7 [~w@108.216.28.176] has quit [Quit: h] 06:12:51 mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has joined #lisp 06:14:21 mcsontos [mcsontos@nat/redhat/x-crjxiucyfkwqwozb] has joined #lisp 06:16:38 hmmm... banning those might ban a bit too many people 06:19:13 -!- p_nathan [~Adium@174-21-165-174.tukw.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:21:26 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-80-164.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 06:22:02 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.214.155] has joined #lisp 06:22:40 this channel is getting a lot of spam... 06:22:58 is there a way to ban messages with that bit.do link in them? 06:23:12 cheryllium: not really 06:23:38 it's possible to do a bot, but it would still be 'after' the spam got sent 06:24:00 and the span of ip addresses is such that I'd have to ban whole AS 06:24:07 two AS, in fact 06:24:11 so anyway, I am pretty excited that I figured out how to make commonqt work 06:24:23 it was... embarrassingly easy :( 06:24:29 heh 06:24:40 cheryllium: don't worry, Windows has a bunch of surprises waiting for you 06:24:49 why didn't you guys just tell me that the dll files ARE the binaries I was looking for XD 06:25:00 cheryllium: miscommunication? 06:25:01 I was so confused cuz I had never seen a dll file before in my life 06:25:09 I had no clue what to do with them 06:25:14 heh 06:25:15 happens 06:25:24 I am spoiled by the ease of library imports in other languages 06:25:42 to be fair, though, I bet none of my colleagues have seen many dlls either... 06:25:44 cheryllium: because you never had to look underneath in those languages ;) 06:25:48 normanrichards [~textual@70.114.215.220] has joined #lisp 06:26:05 you're on windows and you hadn't seen a dll? 06:26:13 I've never looked at the low level of windows 06:26:15 *p_l* is currently battling Ruby and shared objects 06:26:26 angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has joined #lisp 06:26:29 (aka DLLs in ELF lingo) 06:26:48 I think i should reveal that I am not quite as experienced as you, probably... 06:26:49 nobody ever told you to delete system32 to speed up your system? kids these days 06:26:54 haha 06:28:35 Isn't windows dead yet? 06:29:06 not yet, maybe never happen 06:29:43 cheryllium: you might want to look up 'shared library' on your favorite source of all knowledge to get some basic background 06:29:44 zfx [~zfx@host109-154-235-106.range109-154.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 06:30:07 I shall 06:31:22 I have a question about the commonqt dlls 06:31:23 Bike: these days people delete SxS to get "more space". Because explorer (and many other file managers) incorrectly count hardlinked files :) 06:31:29 -!- p_l [~pl@tsugumi.brage.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:31:37 noted 06:31:54 Is there a place I was supposed to put the dll files? or does it not matter where they are as long as Path can find them? 06:32:12 I put them in C:\Qt\4.8.5\bin\commonqt, is that an okay place? 06:32:48 cheryllium: Dunno about %PATH%, but they either have to be in CFFI's path settings, system search path or probably some other place 06:33:02 cheryllium: C:\Qt\4.8.5\lib\ ? 06:33:10 *p_l|backup* doesn't have windows to test on 06:33:19 too much hassle getting it started 06:34:21 Well, my commonqt works 06:34:28 good :) 06:34:30 -!- zfx [~zfx@host109-154-235-106.range109-154.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 253 seconds] 06:34:33 and I assume it will work as long as path can find my dll files 06:34:42 I was just wondering if it was bad form to put them in Qt 06:34:53 cheryllium: technically yes, but for now it shall suffice 06:34:53 I thought it made sense though, since they are qt files anyway 06:34:54 ck`` [~ck@dslb-094-219-236-112.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 06:35:13 DLL search paths on windows are... tricky 06:35:13 please tell me where would be a better place to put them? 06:35:17 -!- ggole [~ggole@58-7-48-218.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:35:17 :/ 06:35:18 jewel_ [~jewel@105-237-57-213.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 06:35:33 cheryllium: that's the thing - the "more proper" approaches are way to complicated for now 06:35:57 and I'd need to dive into docs and probably mutiliate a windows install or two to make sure 06:36:14 hmm, all right 06:36:21 I'd like to learn more about them in time though 06:36:35 MSDN has the info on that (and all windows-related topics) 06:36:56 and it will be better info than nearly any forum or chat :) 06:38:27 p_l [~pl@tsugumi.brage.info] has joined #lisp 06:38:52 A question, why is it not "proper" to put the commonqt dlls into qt/4.8.5/something? 06:40:00 cheryllium: because whatever install program for Qt libs might mess with that 06:40:21 Hmm, you are right... 06:40:37 Would it be better to create a folder in program files called commonqt and just dump the dlls in there then? 06:41:00 cheryllium: not sure. As I said, it's (at least temporarily) beyond me :) 06:41:12 all right, I'll test it and let you know 06:41:32 cheryllium: just saying - iirc, a random folder in Program Files *won't* work 06:41:42 why? 06:41:58 they are not searched 06:42:05 -!- mhd_ [~mhd@cpe-76-170-71-237.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 06:42:15 which is why so many applications used to dump dlls into system folders (system32 etc.) 06:42:25 hmm, why does commonqt still work then? 06:43:08 ¯\_()_/¯ 06:43:35 p_l I am reading this link http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/ms682586%28v=vs.85%29.aspx#standard_search_order_for_desktop_applications 06:43:58 if you read #6 in both of those lists, it says the dll search will search the directories listed in the Path variable 06:44:16 So as long as my Path variable lists the location of my commonqt folder, it should work right? 06:44:23 At least this is how I am understanding this... 06:44:40 cheryllium: if it says so, it should, I guess (my proxy just decided to crap out and doesn't open the page...) 06:45:03 ah okay. take a look when your proxy revives 06:45:55 grabbed it on another route. Looks like it is correct. Just remember that it doesn't appear to be talking about recursive search 06:47:21 ggole [~ggole@106-68-89-142.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 06:47:29 -!- kobain_ [~sambio@unaffiliated/kobain] has quit [] 06:48:57 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 06:51:55 okay, I will 06:55:21 mhd [~mhd@cpe-76-170-71-237.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 06:58:37 hiroakip [~hiroaki@77-20-51-63-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 07:00:48 Here's my "no-brains" tutorial on it for other stupid n00bs like me :) http://cheryllium.wordpress.com/2014/02/19/installing-commonqt-on-windows/ 07:01:05 Is there some way to convert C functions to lisp? Perhaps via LLVM ir representation inbetween? 07:03:26 There are C->Lisp compilers 07:04:12 But the generated code is pretty strange, since the semantics of the languages don't really match. 07:06:30 ggole: wouldn't matter, readability is not an issue. do you have a link for me, please? 07:06:56 ah, found some. thanks! 07:07:04 https://github.com/vsedach/Vacietis 07:07:28 There may well be others 07:08:56 -!- emma [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:09:53 -!- hiroakip [~hiroaki@77-20-51-63-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:10:46 Vivitron [~user@198.199.115.157] has joined #lisp 07:11:08 zain [~zain@116.231.241.156] has joined #lisp 07:11:30 -!- nilsi_ [~nilsi@121.129.113.157] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:11:36 -!- zain [~zain@116.231.241.156] has quit [Client Quit] 07:13:58 minikomi [~adam@w133123.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has joined #lisp 07:14:11 -!- minikomi [~adam@w133123.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has left #lisp 07:21:39 -!- cheryllium [~chatzilla@128.237.208.12] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 27.0.1/20140212131424]] 07:22:10 -!- alezost [~user@128-70-201-173.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 07:23:00 nilsi_ [~nilsi@112.222.211.114] has joined #lisp 07:25:50 alezost [~user@128-70-201-173.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 07:26:58 mathrick_ [~mathrick@94.126.2.42] has joined #lisp 07:28:13 xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.169.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #lisp 07:29:25 -!- mathrick_ [~mathrick@94.126.2.42] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:30:11 mathrick_ [~mathrick@94.126.2.42] has joined #lisp 07:30:16 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@94.144.63.88] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:30:24 zfx [~zfx@host109-154-235-106.range109-154.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 07:33:11 -!- __greg [~Greg@216-129-179-180.arvig.net] has quit [Quit: __greg] 07:33:49 DalekBaldwin [~user@ip68-231-209-84.oc.oc.cox.net] has joined #lisp 07:35:00 -!- zfx [~zfx@host109-154-235-106.range109-154.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:35:03 billstclair [~billstcla@p-67-158-178-185.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has joined #lisp 07:35:03 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@p-67-158-178-185.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has quit [Changing host] 07:35:03 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 07:36:08 xificurC [xificurC@nat/ibm/x-ymaaedzyfezbkbat] has joined #lisp 07:39:46 tcr [~tcr@176.41.81.49] has joined #lisp 07:40:54 mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 07:40:56 Ayey_ [~rune1@195.254.169.70] has joined #lisp 07:45:05 mc40 [~mcheema@146.255.107.122] has joined #lisp 07:45:43 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-21-89.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 07:47:07 rvchangue_ [~rvchangue@cpe-024-074-007-207.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 07:48:14 -!- rvchangue [~rvchangue@unaffiliated/rvchangue] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:48:14 -!- rvchangue_ is now known as rvchangue 07:48:14 -!- rvchangue [~rvchangue@cpe-024-074-007-207.carolina.res.rr.com] has quit [Changing host] 07:48:14 rvchangue [~rvchangue@unaffiliated/rvchangue] has joined #lisp 07:51:29 seangrove [~user@c-69-181-197-122.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 07:53:55 frkout_ [~frkout@101.110.31.120] has joined #lisp 07:55:01 Davidbrcz [~david@182.6.15.109.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 07:57:34 -!- frkout [~frkout@101.110.31.250] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:58:34 patapon [~deglingo@ALille-251-1-120-210.w86-208.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 07:59:03 -!- frkout_ [~frkout@101.110.31.120] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:59:20 frkout [~frkout@101.110.31.120] has joined #lisp 08:04:21 -!- jewel_ [~jewel@105-237-57-213.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:05:17 Hannah24 [~Hannah24@79.141.162.19] has joined #lisp 08:05:20 Hi! I give you some videos. I hope you like! http://bit.do/my_videos69 08:06:30 -!- Hannah24 [~Hannah24@79.141.162.19] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:06:57 Adlai [~Adlai@gateway/tor-sasl/adlai] has joined #lisp 08:09:17 zygentoma [~kvirc@dslb-178-003-079-129.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 08:09:56 Oddi2 [~Oddity@154.20.70.67] has joined #lisp 08:10:02 -!- Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has quit [Disconnected by services] 08:10:14 -!- Oddi2 [~Oddity@154.20.70.67] has left #lisp 08:11:19 -!- zajn [~zajn@airbears2-136-152-142-142.AirBears2.Berkeley.EDU] has quit [Quit: zajn] 08:12:05 -!- Adlai [~Adlai@gateway/tor-sasl/adlai] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3] 08:12:25 Adlai [~Adlai@gateway/tor-sasl/adlai] has joined #lisp 08:12:58 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@182.6.15.109.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:13:22 -!- Adlai [~Adlai@gateway/tor-sasl/adlai] has quit [Client Quit] 08:13:36 Adlai [~Adlai@gateway/tor-sasl/adlai] has joined #lisp 08:15:10 jewel_ [~jewel@105-237-57-213.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 08:15:43 -!- patapon [~deglingo@ALille-251-1-120-210.w86-208.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 08:15:48 -!- QwertyDragon [~chatzilla@pool-173-76-7-69.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Iceape 2.7.12/20130119143918]] 08:16:41 bicyclette [~deglingo@ALille-251-1-120-210.w86-208.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 08:17:49 -!- Adlai [~Adlai@gateway/tor-sasl/adlai] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:19:16 Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has joined #lisp 08:19:36 -!- bicyclette [~deglingo@ALille-251-1-120-210.w86-208.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Client Quit] 08:20:53 -!- Vivitron [~user@198.199.115.157] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:24:16 QwertyDragon [~chatzilla@pool-173-76-7-69.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 08:24:46 -!- mc40 [~mcheema@146.255.107.122] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:24:58 -!- setmeaway [~setmeaway@118.45.149.241] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:25:58 -!- Nizumzen [~Nizumzen@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 08:26:10 nostoi [~nostoi@170.Red-80-39-156.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 08:28:14 Vivitron [~Vivitron@198.199.115.157] has joined #lisp 08:28:41 shridhar [Shridhar@nat/redhat/x-jrphlfzuffuczgpf] has joined #lisp 08:28:57 -!- frkout [~frkout@101.110.31.120] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:29:04 bicyclette [~deglingo@ALille-251-1-120-210.w86-208.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 08:29:14 frkout [~frkout@101.110.31.120] has joined #lisp 08:31:34 zfx [~zfx@host109-154-235-106.range109-154.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 08:31:55 -!- mathrick_ [~mathrick@94.126.2.42] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:32:26 -!- frkout [~frkout@101.110.31.120] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:32:53 cmpitg [~184467440@unaffiliated/cmpitg] has joined #lisp 08:33:01 frkout [~frkout@101.110.31.250] has joined #lisp 08:36:01 -!- zfx [~zfx@host109-154-235-106.range109-154.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:36:21 Okasu [~1@unaffiliated/okasu] has joined #lisp 08:36:26 I dont remember who but someone pointed me to quicklisp's clhs package to try it out and let know how it goes - unfortunately it doesnt work but I think its expected behavior on win7 since I saw some symlinks being used and I dont know how does windows handle that 08:42:24 -!- zRecursive [~czsq888@183.13.192.94] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:45:37 guardianx [guardian@124-170-93-47.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 08:45:53 stepnem [~stepnem@77.78.117.8] has joined #lisp 08:47:25 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-80-164.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:49:41 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.214.155] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:51:46 Code_Man` [~Code_Man@2a02:1205:5058:1cb0:223:54ff:fe38:82c2] has joined #lisp 08:52:00 emma [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has joined #lisp 08:53:06 sdemarre [~serge@91.180.121.11] has joined #lisp 08:53:39 I have a bunch of funs/macros that print to *my-output*. How can I redirect to print to a string? 08:53:51 xificurC: with-output-to-string 08:54:32 H4ns: I thought of that but dont see how can I implement it without touching the code base 08:54:49 (w-o-t-s (*my-output*) ...) 08:55:04 or however it goes 08:55:09 lets say you have (defun foo (x) (print x *my-output*)) 08:55:26 and now I want to wrap the call (foo "bar") to print to a string 08:55:33 yep 08:55:51 xificurC: you're using earmuffs to indicate that *my-output* is a special variable, right? 08:55:58 H4ns: yes 08:56:12 so w-o-t-s works fine 08:56:13 xificurC: and you can re-bind special variables 08:56:30 xificurC: with-output-to-string binds the variable argument, and if it is special, it rebinds it. 08:56:54 xificurC: try (with-output-to-string (*standard-output*) (print 'he)) 08:57:13 alexherbo2 [~alexherbo@APlessis-Bouchard-154-1-83-61.w83-199.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 08:57:14 H4ns, Bike, I understand now, thanks, thought it will be something more complicated 08:58:32 now i actually see how stupid the question was 08:59:04 easily solved doesn't mean stupid! 08:59:55 Bike: yeah but i know everything you guys said, i just couldnt put it together 09:03:18 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 09:04:01 drmeister [~drmeister@mobile-166-137-184-162.mycingular.net] has joined #lisp 09:07:57 zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 09:09:20 zfx [~zfx@host109-154-235-106.range109-154.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 09:16:15 -!- nilsi_ [~nilsi@112.222.211.114] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 09:16:22 nilsi__ [~nilsi@112.222.211.114] has joined #lisp 09:18:13 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@mobile-166-137-184-162.mycingular.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:23:26 -!- harish [harish@nat/redhat/x-gqdznivdkeeqkdxc] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:30:42 foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has joined #lisp 09:33:01 jdz [~jdz@212.36.34.246] has joined #lisp 09:33:11 -!- bjz [~bjz@125.253.99.68] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:40:39 MoALTz_ [~no@user-109-243-161-205.play-internet.pl] has joined #lisp 09:41:32 -!- zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:44:18 -!- MoALTz_ [~no@user-109-243-161-205.play-internet.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:44:26 -!- vkrest [~vkrest@173.252.71.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:44:43 MoALTz_ [~no@109.243.161.205] has joined #lisp 09:45:43 vaporatorius [~vaporator@80.31.47.36] has joined #lisp 09:46:19 mc40 [~mcheema@146.255.107.122] has joined #lisp 09:46:26 MoALTz__ [~no@109.243.161.205] has joined #lisp 09:47:06 bjz [~bjz@125.253.99.68] has joined #lisp 09:49:31 -!- MoALTz__ [~no@109.243.161.205] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 09:49:53 -!- MoALTz_ [~no@109.243.161.205] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:49:57 MoALTz__ [~no@109.243.161.205] has joined #lisp 09:51:31 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.180.121.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:52:37 sdemarre [~serge@91.180.73.150] has joined #lisp 09:53:44 zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 09:54:30 -!- alexherbo2 [~alexherbo@APlessis-Bouchard-154-1-83-61.w83-199.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3-dev] 09:55:08 alexherbo2 [~alexherbo@APlessis-Bouchard-154-1-83-61.w83-199.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 09:57:02 -!- freid [~admin@148.Red-79-148-241.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:57:03 -!- abunchofdollarsi [~abunchofd@l33t.csail.mit.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:59:14 -!- karupanerura is now known as zz_karupanerura 10:00:44 -!- jdz [~jdz@212.36.34.246] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:01:34 Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has joined #lisp 10:03:41 -!- mhd [~mhd@cpe-76-170-71-237.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 10:04:49 Sophie19 [~Sophie19@79.141.162.19] has joined #lisp 10:04:51 Here some videos. I hope you like them! http://bit.do/my_videos69 10:05:24 -!- nug700 [~nug700@71-223-97-227.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 10:05:39 Sophia [~user@174-17-220-107.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 10:05:43 -!- Sophie19 [~Sophie19@79.141.162.19] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:05:56 -!- MoALTz__ [~no@109.243.161.205] has quit [Quit: brb] 10:06:09 MoALTz [~no@109.243.161.205] has joined #lisp 10:06:25 -!- Sophia [~user@174-17-220-107.phnx.qwest.net] has left #lisp 10:09:58 -!- nihils is now known as nichtdiebohne 10:10:30 pavelpenev [~quassel@melontech.com] has joined #lisp 10:10:49 Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has joined #lisp 10:17:15 -!- zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:17:21 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:22:03 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:24:41 -!- DalekBaldwin [~user@ip68-231-209-84.oc.oc.cox.net] has quit 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[~em@unaffiliated/emma] has joined #lisp 11:48:57 add^_ [~user@m176-70-197-83.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 11:52:21 -!- zfx [~zfx@host109-154-235-106.range109-154.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:56:27 -!- scoofy [~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:59:46 josemanuel [~josemanue@75.Red-81-34-135.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 11:59:46 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 12:01:41 nilsi_ [~nilsi@112.222.211.114] has joined #lisp 12:02:45 -!- dbh [~user@182.55.3.19] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:02:46 scoofy [~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #lisp 12:03:26 p_l [~pl@tsugumi.brage.info] has joined #lisp 12:04:58 dbh [~user@182.55.3.19] has joined #lisp 12:05:03 Mandy22 [~Mandy22@79.141.162.19] has joined #lisp 12:05:06 Here some videos. I hope you like them! http://bit.do/my_videos69 12:05:48 zfx [~zfx@host109-154-235-106.range109-154.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 12:05:56 -!- Mandy22 [~Mandy22@79.141.162.19] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:06:21 -!- josemanuel [~josemanue@75.Red-81-34-135.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Saliendo] 12:07:33 -!- emma [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:07:46 not again! 12:08:38 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:10:10 -!- zygentoma [~kvirc@dslb-178-003-079-129.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.1.3 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 12:14:09 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 12:15:19 they have nice spread of IPs 12:15:38 never repeated, but from same provider... if only said provider didn't cover several countries -_- 12:15:46 just wait until Kathy24 shows up 12:16:24 -!- DalekBaldwin [~user@ip68-231-209-84.oc.oc.cox.net] has left #lisp 12:16:54 -!- matko [~matko@ip82-139-125-221.lijbrandt.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:17:26 matko [~matko@ip82-139-125-221.lijbrandt.net] has joined #lisp 12:23:41 stassats: is it possible to define a content filter on freenode? 12:24:33 flip214: no 12:25:34 things would be much, much easier if it was possible 12:25:43 -!- dbh [~user@182.55.3.19] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:26:02 -!- Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: BBL] 12:33:05 emma [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has joined #lisp 12:33:50 trebor_dki [~user@153.96.244.11] has joined #lisp 12:36:00 -!- yacks [~py@122.179.33.54] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:36:05 knob [~knob@76.76.202.245] has joined #lisp 12:41:11 -!- emma [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 12:41:24 emma [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has joined #lisp 12:44:34 -!- zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:47:11 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-80-164.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:47:24 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-21-89.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:49:07 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:49:11 percopal [~percopal@cpe-72-227-136-13.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 12:54:45 dbh` [~user@182.55.3.19] has joined #lisp 12:55:29 -!- ggole [~ggole@106-68-89-142.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:56:24 Acherontius [~user@204.116.186.34] has joined #lisp 13:00:04 -!- jordonbiondo [~user@70-88-108-205-isp-mi.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:00:21 jordonbiondo [~user@70-88-108-205-isp-mi.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 13:02:02 ggole [~ggole@124-169-82-27.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 13:02:25 -!- EvW [~Thunderbi@a82-95-114-27.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: EvW] 13:05:57 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:06:02 ehu [~ehu@62.140.132.198] has joined #lisp 13:06:20 CADD [~CADD@12.227.104.109] has joined #lisp 13:06:20 -!- CADD [~CADD@12.227.104.109] has quit [Client Quit] 13:07:14 foreignFunction [~niksaak@94.45.71.97] has joined #lisp 13:07:52 EvW [~Thunderbi@2001:981:5f09:1:3132:b92d:e33d:ac36] has joined #lisp 13:10:45 -!- dbh` [~user@182.55.3.19] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:14:12 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-80-164.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 13:15:56 jpfuentes2 [~jacques@pool-96-253-99-113.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 13:17:35 doomlord_ [~servitor@host109-151-65-32.range109-151.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 13:20:12 ikki_ [~ikki@177.224.106.173] has joined #lisp 13:21:54 -!- Sgeo [~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:27:59 -!- zophy_ [~venom@host-94-20-107-208.midco.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:29:31 Pullphinger [~Pullphing@12.40.23.68] has joined #lisp 13:29:33 -!- Pullphinger [~Pullphing@12.40.23.68] has quit [Excess Flood] 13:30:11 -!- hugod [~user@69.157.171.126] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:30:37 hugod [~user@69.157.171.126] has joined #lisp 13:33:06 -!- theBlackDragon [~dragon@77.109.122.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:33:23 theBlackDragon [~dragon@77.109.122.2] has joined #lisp 13:33:57 -!- Harag [~Thunderbi@105-236-187-173.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:34:50 zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 13:35:12 what is your usual process of working on a project? I just built the skeleton (package.lisp, asd file) and now I find myself cut off from the functions that aren't exported. Or when I write a new function I dont know whats the fastest way to test it out in the repl 13:36:30 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@94.45.71.97] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:37:57 yacks [~py@103.6.159.103] has joined #lisp 13:38:43 foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has joined #lisp 13:38:44 xificurc: (setq *package* (find-package :your-package)) ;; you're now in your package and can access internal symbols without the "your-package::"-prefix 13:39:15 KaiQ [~localhost@p5DD9E39A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 13:39:45 xificurC: for the rest: check out slime and the various tutorials how to get started with it 13:40:38 jlg: yeah but when I write a new function in my package and wish to play with it in the repl do I really have to go in the asd file, export it and then reload the package? 13:42:10 xificurC: see my first answer (and asdf does not have anything to do with EXPORT) 13:42:42 jlg: package.lisp was what I wanted to say 13:42:50 You can also USE the package. 13:43:13 Ah, you want the internals. 13:43:50 Zhivago: from the development view I thought there'd be the way to be in the package and have access to everything, unexported stuff too 13:44:17 xificurc: again, see my first answer.... 13:46:59 -!- ASau` is now known as ASau 13:47:07 jlg: thanks 13:49:16 Yeah -- see IN-PACKAGE. 13:49:38 has anyone tried to get swank working via dbus? 13:49:47 -!- mgodshall [~mgodshall@c-68-83-250-187.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: mgodshall] 13:54:54 Denommus [~user@unaffiliated/denommus] has joined #lisp 13:57:20 xificurC: if you are using slime: C-c C-~ will make the package in the REPL the same as in the file, and when you wrote and compiled your function, press C-c C-y to call it from the REPL 13:59:35 stassats: thanks, C-c C-y works, C-c C-~ doesnt, maybe its a newer binding? I havent upgraded for quite a while 13:59:54 i.e. a year 14:00:09 loke_erc [~user@2400:d803:7342:f91a:e1d5:56dd:c10:5e38] has joined #lisp 14:00:22 it's old 14:00:42 and i lied to you, it's C-c ~ 14:00:56 gadmyth [~user@180.169.135.16] has joined #lisp 14:01:57 see also: http://slime-tips.tumblr.com/post/10860009191/calling-code 14:02:36 stassats: yeah the other one works, thanks. I have a hard time pressing it but it works :) 14:04:16 zophy [~venom@host-94-20-107-208.midco.net] has joined #lisp 14:05:54 Hannah30 [~Hannah30@79.141.162.19] has joined #lisp 14:05:56 You can find funny videos here. http://bit.do/my_videos69 14:06:47 -!- Hannah30 [~Hannah30@79.141.162.19] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:07:08 -!- zickzackv [~faot@port-92-198-30-130.static.qsc.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:07:58 uff, one a day is not pleasant, but six a day or more is six times less pleasant 14:08:19 and they are getting older, 30 14:10:34 -!- guardianx [guardian@124-170-93-47.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:10:40 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 14:11:35 next one is ~1600 UTC 14:11:50 someone arm OP by 15:50 14:12:07 and it'll be Jennifer47 14:13:13 guardianx [guardian@124-148-39-106.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 14:13:34 they are surprisingly reliable when it comes to timekeeping 14:14:01 Probably a cron job somewhere 14:14:33 -!- Kunchun is now known as Jayk97 14:14:58 so perhaps one minute's silence 14:15:03 at that time might help 14:17:09 fortitude [~mts@rrcs-24-97-165-124.nys.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 14:18:18 in case anyone's interested, http://ccl.clozure.com/irc-logs/lisp/ did stop yesterday 14:21:22 flip214: Your comment is at the end of http://ccl.clozure.com/irc-logs/lisp/2014-02/lisp-2014.02.19.txt (now, likely just before this one) 14:21:29 stassats: You could set up a cron job to pre-emptively ban them. 14:22:24 billstclair: thanks, but http://ccl.clozure.com/irc-logs/lisp/lisp-2014-02.txt is cut off. unless that gets filled by a cronjob once a day ... 14:22:39 I noticed that. I don't know when that file is updated 14:23:15 -!- mindCrime [~prhodes@cpe-076-182-089-009.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:27:01 sohail__ [~sohail@75-119-248-79.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 14:27:01 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-4-222.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:28:46 -!- sellout- [~Adium@c-67-176-56-71.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:28:58 LiamH [~healy@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #lisp 14:30:01 -!- nicdev` is now known as nicdev 14:30:17 -!- gadmyth [~user@180.169.135.16] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:30:33 -!- vaporatorius is now known as Vaporatorius 14:33:53 -!- Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:40:24 -!- ggole [~ggole@124-169-82-27.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [] 14:42:45 root_empire [~michael_l@117.22.206.197] has joined #lisp 14:43:51 -!- ehu [~ehu@62.140.132.198] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:44:26 -!- michael_lee [~michael_l@222.90.41.168] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:45:10 how can I test non-exported functions? I created some tests using fiveam but I dont have access to non-exported stuff. Or is it not common to test those? 14:45:34 jaccas [~pjfcl@bl6-22-99.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 14:45:40 functions do not have such a property 14:45:51 the symbols naming them are, but not functions 14:46:52 -!- jaccas [~pjfcl@bl6-22-99.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:46:52 stassats: thanks for clarifying but that doesnt answer my question 14:47:06 -!- ChanServ has set mode +o p_l 14:47:12 it may answer your question 14:47:13 jaccas [~pjfcl@bl6-22-99.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 14:48:32 so the function is bound to a symbol which is or is not exported from my package 14:48:47 -!- guardianx [guardian@124-148-39-106.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:48:54 if it is exported and i include the package in the :use declaration of my defpackage I can call it directly 14:49:20 if it isnt I dont know how to use it 14:49:20 you seem to be missing that exporting is not required for access 14:49:27 -!- jaccas [~pjfcl@bl6-22-99.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:49:46 jaccas [~pjfcl@bl6-22-99.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 14:50:31 xificurC: my very first answer actually answer this question as well.. 14:50:57 -!- jaccas [~pjfcl@bl6-22-99.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:51:17 jaccas [~pjfcl@bl6-22-99.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 14:51:33 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:53:09 -!- root_empire [~michael_l@117.22.206.197] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 14:54:19 -!- jaccas [~pjfcl@bl6-22-99.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:54:41 jaccas [~pjfcl@bl6-22-99.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 14:56:19 root_empire [~michael_l@117.22.206.197] has joined #lisp 14:56:25 im sorry if the questions seem stupid but i havent done much project coding, always stayed in cl-user and never had to use this stuff 14:57:11 so through my-package: I can find the exported symbols and through my-package:: I can find everything in the package 14:58:12 -!- jaccas [~pjfcl@bl6-22-99.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:58:40 jaccas [~pjfcl@bl6-22-99.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 14:59:33 -!- jaccas [~pjfcl@bl6-22-99.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:00:00 jaccas [~pjfcl@bl6-22-99.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 15:00:39 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:03:03 -!- jaccas [~pjfcl@bl6-22-99.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:03:32 jaccas [~pjfcl@bl6-22-99.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 15:05:30 -!- jaccas [~pjfcl@bl6-22-99.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:05:58 jaccas [~pjfcl@bl6-22-99.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 15:06:07 -!- root_empire [~michael_l@117.22.206.197] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 15:07:13 rdd [~rdd@c83-250-156-161.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 15:09:07 -!- jaccas [~pjfcl@bl6-22-99.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:09:37 jaccas [~pjfcl@bl6-22-99.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 15:09:55 xificurC, I don't know if I'm about to get my head chopped off for suggesting this, but why not read http://www.flownet.com/gat/packages.pdf ? 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15:37:09 jaccas [~pjfcl@bl6-22-99.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 15:37:24 dim: I don't understand the question. 15:37:41 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:37:44 dim: cl-fad doesn't really replace pathnames 15:37:52 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-101-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 15:38:12 kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-101-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 15:38:13 -!- ikki_ [~ikki@177.224.106.173] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:38:14 pathnames are a pita to use, cl-fad makes the situation a tad better but that by much, I'm thinking I might try iolib.pathnames, but maybe there's something else around? 15:38:25 stassats: which is parts of the problem yes 15:38:32 In what way are pathnames a PITA to use? 15:38:39 Xach: clisp 15:38:47 -!- nilsi_ [~nilsi@112.222.211.114] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:38:49 What's the specific situation? 15:39:09 nilsi_ [~nilsi@112.222.211.114] has joined #lisp 15:39:41 dim: The uiop package may have something of interest. 15:39:55 well, ensuring that a given path is a directory path when it doesn't exist on disk is a classic examples, merge-pathnames has too many error cases, etc etc 15:40:16 merge-pathnames has too many error cases? 15:40:17 I didn't maintain a list of specific shortcomings 15:40:34 but I know each time I use either pathnames or cl-fad it's like... awful 15:40:36 dim: Sure, but "pathnames suck" is something that doesn't mean anything 15:40:44 But people repeat it over and over again 15:40:52 I should prepare more specific docs, I though it was quite of well appreciated how bad the situation is 15:40:54 i stopped worrying about pathname compatibility beyond SBCL and CCL 15:40:56 __greg [~Greg@216-129-179-180.arvig.net] has joined #lisp 15:41:02 you're making me thing I again missed something here 15:41:03 hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@46.189.28.83] has joined #lisp 15:41:09 Pathnames are actually great, and don't do or guarantee everything people wish they did. 15:41:39 they may be great in theory 15:42:09 but inability of implementations to agree on corner cases makes it hard to use for anything non-trivial 15:42:22 the main PITA is when I want to manipulate pathnames, as in check that a file is within a directory, maybe some levels down, or tweak a filename to move parts of it in another directory, etc 15:42:55 here I'd want to expand "~/.pginstall.ini" in a way that works when the file doesn't exists yet, I found truename but of course the file needs to exists 15:43:14 cl pathnames are only great for files that are completely under the control of cl. 15:43:17 dim: (merge-pathnames ".name" (user-homedir-pathname)) 15:43:25 what do you mean, "expand"? 15:43:42 what if I *want* to use ~/ because I want to allow a user to spell it that way? 15:44:01 dim: "~/.pginstall.ini" is already a find pathname designatore. what do you want to do with it? 15:44:05 sorry, "fine" 15:44:07 dim: then just leave it at that? 15:44:15 Krystof: (truename "~/.emacs.d") #P"/Users/dim/.emacs.d/" 15:44:23 why? 15:44:52 so you want something that guesses that you meant a directory even if you didn't say so? 15:44:57 mainly because after reading the docs of truename I wasn't sure that ~/ is a standard way to specify (user-homedir-pathname) in a pathname, I guess 15:44:59 I have a psychic compiler that I will sell you 15:45:06 (it isn't a standard way) 15:45:09 it's not a standard way 15:45:15 ah, there you go. 15:45:22 dim: it isn't, but it's conventional; i think only cmucl omits support for it. 15:45:24 (user-homedir-pathname) is a standard way 15:45:49 it's not standard CL, but it's standard POSIX 15:46:00 there's no standard way to construct a pathname which will survive user changes, you would have to always merge them 15:46:14 "~" is not part of lisps standardized pathname syntax. if you want to support it, look at the string that designates the file name before turning it into a lisp pathname, merging it with (user-homedir-pathname) if required. 15:46:35 H4ns: is there a lib that does that for me already? 15:46:45 dim: i'm not aware of such a library. 15:46:56 dim: it sounds like a really trivial thing to implement 15:47:03 iolib :) 15:47:09 even if there is no library, it won't support Genera 15:47:10 if you are accepting pathanames from a user, you actually need to use non-standard functions, like sb-ext:parse-native-namestring 15:47:12 yeah, but then you add other trivial things and the list gets large 15:47:21 fe[nl]ix: yeah I wanted to see about iolib.pathnames 15:47:23 what do you _actually_ care about? 15:47:25 reading https://github.com/sionescu/iolib/blob/master/src/pathnames/file-path-unix.lisp 15:48:07 stassats: well I've been using cl-fad and I'm not so happy about it, hence my question 15:48:38 cl-fad doesn't have a parse-native-namestring equivalent 15:49:11 Krystof: on Unix there's no syntactic difference between files and directories 15:49:12 almost 15:49:56 another thing where there are problems with clisp: probe-file doesn't work on directories 15:50:44 doomlord__ [~servitor@host109-151-65-32.range109-151.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 15:51:14 -!- EvW [~Thunderbi@2001:981:5f09:1:3132:b92d:e33d:ac36] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:51:43 ah, found a reference again, the #/p/ idea is from iolib indeed, cool 15:51:59 where did you find it ? 15:52:11 dim: do you need windows compatibility? 15:52:19 I don't think I will 15:52:24 dim: the idea is Erik Naggum's 15:52:34 EvW [~Thunderbi@2001:981:5f09:1:3132:b92d:e33d:ac36] has joined #lisp 15:52:47 fe[nl]ix: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1403717/how-do-i-iterate-through-a-directory-in-common-lisp in the last comment 15:53:06 I found an email where he proposed that syntax through Xach's Usenet archive 15:53:24 and iolib.os seems to be exactly what I've been searching before 15:53:25 good 15:53:49 -!- zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 15:54:42 dim: if there's anything you need, please open an issue on github 15:54:49 bugs or feature requests 15:55:13 sellout- [~Adium@c-71-56-237-72.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:55:20 DIRECTORY is one of those things which is better not to touch if you want consistent portable behaviour 15:55:27 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-mymurodkutwvfdza] has joined #lisp 15:55:33 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-80-164.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:55:42 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-mymurodkutwvfdza] has quit [Changing host] 15:55:42 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has joined #lisp 15:56:20 fe[nl]ix: I will, thanks 15:59:02 So the spambot arrives in 7 minutes or so. What's the solution? Make the channel moderated for a couple minutes? Invite-only? 15:59:20 it's, like, predictable? 15:59:32 yes, every two hours, within a minute or so 15:59:42 randomized nick, I guess? 15:59:44 CatMtKing [~CatMtKing@ed-uluka.dyn.ucr.edu] has joined #lisp 15:59:46 -!- Joreji [~thomas@173-254.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:59:47 yes. 15:59:51 -!- ChanServ has set mode +o Xach 15:59:55 Xach: with those, you might be better choice 16:00:02 -!- M00R1Z [~M00R1Z@178-117-47-54.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: M00R1Z] 16:00:02 though... 16:00:12 -!- p_l has set mode +m 16:00:19 oh, worked 16:00:23 A better choice for what? 16:00:33 strobegen [~Adium@62.33.153.213] has joined #lisp 16:00:34 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:00:36 Xach: for invite-only settings 16:00:46 I wasn't sure if I remembered stuff for moderated/muted 16:00:47 Joreji [~thomas@173-254.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 16:01:09 -!- jordonbiondo [~user@70-88-108-205-isp-mi.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:01:14 I certainly don't. 16:01:29 jordonbiondo [~user@50-77-199-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 16:01:50 Is +m silencing everyone but ops, or has the pathname discussion petered out? 16:01:56 -!- ChanServ has set mode +o Krystof 16:02:00 everyone but ops 16:02:01 I think it silences everyone non-voiced 16:02:04 or that 16:02:17 I got "*** #lisp: Cannot send to channel" when I tried to say something 16:02:24 -!- Xach has set mode -m 16:02:31 feel free to +v people :p 16:02:33 p_l: Let's wait for another two minutes or so 16:03:31 -!- Xach has set mode +vvvv dim dlowe fe[nl]ix stassats 16:03:31 -!- Xach has set mode +v H4ns 16:04:09 if only that bot didn't have such diverse ip range 16:04:15 -!- Xach has set mode +vvv xificurC reb` ck`` 16:04:18 -!- Xach has set mode +m 16:04:19 fe[nl]ix: I see that it needs gcc at compile time for iolib.os, will it prevent me from producing a self-contained image? 16:04:42 dim: it also needs libfixposix installed. 16:04:46 (src/syscalls/ffi-types-unix.c) 16:05:17 yeah, iolib is great for server software, but I wouldn't use it for anything I'd have to distribute 16:05:27 why ? 16:05:30 Rachel23 [~Rachel23@79.141.162.19] has joined #lisp 16:05:36 -!- Rachel23 [~pl@tsugumi.brage.info] has been kicked from #lisp by p_l (Rachel23) 16:05:42 well in that case I will ship it only to few server side installs 16:05:45 flawless victory! 16:05:56 Xach: congrats ;-) (and thanks) 16:06:04 -!- Xach has set mode -m 16:06:13 -!- Xach has set mode -o Xach 16:06:21 now someone needs to script this! 16:06:28 -!- ChanServ has set mode -o p_l 16:06:49 *p_l* now needs to recreate his joins/parts/quits filter ;) 16:06:50 dlowe: so much non-distro software ships with internal shared objects and LD_LIBRARY_PATH is made just for that 16:07:06 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-141-225-104.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:07:14 dim: you're using OSX, right ? 16:07:32 on the workstation yeah 16:07:40 fe[nl]ix: yeah, that's true. 16:08:01 it's kind of academic for me :D I don't write any lisp software that I distribute. 16:08:17 -!- ChanServ has set mode -o Krystof 16:08:23 dim: I made repositories for Linux distros, RH/SUSE/Debian/Ubuntu/Arch 16:08:48 do you know if there's a way to replicate that for OSX users ? 16:08:54 main target will first be debian and ubuntu 16:08:54 shame; it looks like the current ircd doesn't support ~T banning 16:09:11 cory786 [~cory@CK-Laptop.wifi.utoledo.edu] has joined #lisp 16:09:15 in the osx world the current way to ship software seems to be brew 16:09:26 fe[nl]ix: http://brew.sh/ 16:09:32 dim: in that case I have a repo for you 16:09:43 Krystof: what kind of ban is that? 16:09:43 awesome 16:10:23 -!- p_nathan [~Adium@174-21-165-174.tukw.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:10:36 swift-irc: allows you to block messages with particular words in them 16:10:59 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-153-184.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:11:42 btw, regarding deployment, I've been thinking about deploying lisp applications with omnibus, including all necessary libs 16:11:45 oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-184-240.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 16:12:27 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@5.76.185.228] has joined #lisp 16:12:27 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@5.76.185.228] has quit [Changing host] 16:12:27 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 16:12:32 p_l: link ? 16:12:37 it would be like a save-lisp-and-die on steroids? 16:12:47 what about docker and all the jazz? 16:13:14 dim: docker is essentially a container manager 16:13:25 fe[nl]ix: https://github.com/opscode/omnibus-ruby 16:13:26 -!- EvW [~Thunderbi@2001:981:5f09:1:3132:b92d:e33d:ac36] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:13:41 fe[nl]ix: don't be discouraged by "ruby" in the name, it's historical 16:14:29 -!- varjagg [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:14:53 EvW [~Thunderbi@2001:981:5f09:1:3132:b92d:e33d:ac36] has joined #lisp 16:17:21 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has joined #lisp 16:17:49 dim: https://build.opensuse.org/project/show/home:sionescu 16:19:10 fe[nl]ix: so when using say the debian repository there, (ql:quickload "iolib.os") will bypass compiling anything and just load the pre-installed libs? 16:19:57 drmeister [~drmeister@216.55.31.30] has joined #lisp 16:20:45 dim: no, the compilation that iolib does is for figuring out struct size and offsets. it's a hacky way to avoid parsing C 16:21:12 oh, so no compilation artifact is then needed at runtime, right? 16:21:17 but at least it's automatic and if you use one of those repositories you don't have to compile libfixposix yourself 16:21:24 -!- nilsi_ [~nilsi@112.222.211.114] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 16:21:28 that's correct 16:21:42 nilsi_ [~nilsi@112.222.211.114] has joined #lisp 16:21:48 that's why I moved all glue code to libfixposix, to make deployment easier 16:23:56 ehu [~ehu@62.140.132.69] has joined #lisp 16:24:05 cool 16:26:32 clintm [~clintm@001e52f0de2b.click-network.com] has joined #lisp 16:27:29 -!- gigetoo [~gigetoo@c83-250-61-4.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:27:39 innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-50-159-9-43.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:28:10 senj [~senj@unaffiliated/senj] has joined #lisp 16:29:35 -!- xificurC [xificurC@nat/ibm/x-ymaaedzyfezbkbat] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:30:09 gigetoo [~gigetoo@c83-250-61-4.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 16:30:12 hello 16:30:20 fe[nl]ix: given a unix-path instance, how do I get back to a pathname so that standard functions (such as open, with-open-file and others) just work? 16:30:28 -!- pavelpenev [~quassel@melontech.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:30:36 just checking i can send msg's here :) 16:31:43 r0b1: we had short +m to mitigate a bot 16:32:02 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-141-224-197.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 16:32:07 dim: file-path-namestring 16:32:22 ah yeah, thanks, missed it 16:35:38 mathrick [~mathrick@94.126.2.42] has joined #lisp 16:35:54 Davidbrcz [~david@109.15.6.182] has joined #lisp 16:36:09 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:36:16 dim: the current pathnames have one minor issue: parse-file-path always drops the information that the original path had a trailing slash 16:36:29 regarding possible next arrival of the same bot ~1800 UTC, I'll be off at the time but good hunting and don't nuke whole Autonomous Systems 16:36:56 dim: that shouldn't usually matter, but people expect it so I'll add that "soon" 16:37:32 foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has joined #lisp 16:37:37 fe[nl]ix: btw I had CC set to "/usr/local/bin/ccache /usr/local/Cellar/gcc47/4.7.3/bin/gcc-4.7" and your c compiling trick didn't work, I had to change it back to not using ccache then quickload again 16:38:04 aah 16:38:29 CC needs to be a single path currently 16:38:30 fe[nl]ix: with the standard pathname dropping the final / is a huge pain, I suppose the iolib.pathnames API doesn't care much about it? 16:38:31 open an issue 16:39:03 dim: it's not a big issue 16:43:52 aftershave_ [~textual@h-238-41.a336.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #lisp 16:44:54 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@107.201.5.56] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:46:07 slyrus [~chatzilla@107.201.5.56] has joined #lisp 16:46:46 -!- innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-50-159-9-43.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:49:06 innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-50-159-9-43.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:49:56 https://github.com/sionescu/iolib/issues/11 16:51:30 -!- innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-50-159-9-43.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:51:46 innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-50-159-9-43.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:51:52 isn't that a cffi-grovel problem too? 16:52:49 it is 16:53:09 -!- strobegen [~Adium@62.33.153.213] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:53:41 Nizumzen [~Nizumzen@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #lisp 16:55:06 zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 16:55:48 normanrichards [~textual@107.107.191.141] has joined #lisp 16:56:58 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@109.15.6.182] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:57:13 so, it needs to separate CC into the program and args, while minding possible escapes 16:57:49 and not breaking on windows... 16:58:26 -!- innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-50-159-9-43.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:59:48 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:59:52 (invoke "sh" "-c" args) could work, except for windows 17:00:03 I'm trying to discover if drakma or chunga expose an API to check that a given URI is valid (whithout actually requesting it), and am failing... is there another lib maybe doing that? 17:00:27 dim: both use puri as uri library 17:00:27 cl-uri ;-) 17:00:33 puri, ok 17:00:37 dim: i'm not sure if puri has validation code, though. 17:02:05 puri:parse-uri fails loudly if it fails 17:02:28 hi jlg 17:03:33 cheryllium [~chatzilla@128.237.192.237] has joined #lisp 17:03:44 hlavaty [~user@friedrichstrasse.knowledgetools.de] has joined #lisp 17:03:48 -!- aftershave_ [~textual@h-238-41.a336.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 17:04:05 -!- clintm [~clintm@001e52f0de2b.click-network.com] has quit [Quit: clintm] 17:04:40 dim: you probably want a custom validator on top of puri 17:05:02 "0" is a valid URI 17:05:08 -!- Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:05:09 but not what you'd expect 17:05:13 innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-50-159-9-43.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:05:30 Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has joined #lisp 17:06:17 hmm, *DEFAULT-HANDLER* dissappeared from hunchentoot 17:07:37 fe[nl]ix: right. 17:07:57 clintm [~clintm@001e52f0de2b.click-network.com] has joined #lisp 17:08:04 -!- clintm [~clintm@001e52f0de2b.click-network.com] has quit [Client Quit] 17:09:23 -!- gigetoo [~gigetoo@c83-250-61-4.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:10:07 gigetoo [~gigetoo@c83-250-61-4.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 17:10:59 -!- innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-50-159-9-43.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:13:47 -!- yacks [~py@103.6.159.103] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:16:26 aftershave_ [~textual@h-238-41.a336.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #lisp 17:16:43 -!- mcsontos [mcsontos@nat/redhat/x-crjxiucyfkwqwozb] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:18:27 edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-109-193-013-113.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 17:19:39 -!- zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 17:20:33 wccoder [~wccoder@154.20.58.178] has joined #lisp 17:20:58 -!- wccoder [~wccoder@154.20.58.178] has quit [Changing host] 17:20:58 wccoder [~wccoder@unaffiliated/wccoder] has joined #lisp 17:21:36 mathrick_ [~mathrick@94.126.3.39] has joined #lisp 17:23:36 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:24:12 ikki [~ikki@187.191.6.6] has joined #lisp 17:24:31 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 17:25:09 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@94.126.2.42] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:26:31 scharan [~scharan@caps04.cs.ucr.edu] has joined #lisp 17:26:46 fe[nl]ix: stat(1) sayth FileType: Regular File, but iolib.os:file-kind sayth :PIPE (testing with /usr/bin/make) 17:28:09 not here 17:28:31 dim: theres' #iolib 17:29:07 should I move there? I mean... well ok 17:30:08 hlavaty: a few years ago, yes. 17:30:57 seems to be no easy way around windows and space separated commands 17:31:11 -!- normanrichards [~textual@107.107.191.141] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:31:25 -!- shridhar [Shridhar@nat/redhat/x-jrphlfzuffuczgpf] has quit [Quit: shridhar] 17:31:40 maybe just ensure that quoted filenames are treated separately 17:31:40 fiveop [~fiveop@p5DDC7B5B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 17:31:59 H4ns: yeah, upgrading will have to wait for another few years:-( or is there a quick fix? 17:32:27 hlavaty: a quick fix? 17:32:28 CC=""C:\Program Files\ccache.exe" gcc" => (invoke "cmd" "/C" "C:\Program Files\ccache.exe" "gcc") 17:33:07 H4ns: some defmethod which acts like the toplevel handler maybe? 17:33:52 well, i'll have to dive into it at some point and remove all those obsolete stuff from our codebase 17:33:53 hlavaty: i can't really say, i dont remember how *DEFAULT-HANDLER* worked. if you need to upgrade hunchentoot, you'll have to check the documentation to see what has changed. 17:34:04 ok thanks! 17:34:10 hlavaty: sorry :/ 17:34:51 -!- zfx [~zfx@host109-154-235-106.range109-154.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:35:44 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:37:08 -!- cory786 [~cory@CK-Laptop.wifi.utoledo.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:37:11 mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has joined #lisp 17:40:12 -!- jaccas [~pjfcl@bl6-22-99.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Saindo] 17:40:20 Alfr [~Unknown@g226032089.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 17:44:40 how can I make quicklisp automatically load libraries when I start my repl? was there an init file somewhere I could edit? 17:46:37 cheryllium: there are init files, yes. 17:47:12 Any file named "*.lisp" in ~/quicklisp/local-init/ will be loaded, in string< order by name. 17:47:18 or *.cl 17:47:22 ooh, neat. I didn't know that. 17:47:30 It's not documented, sorry. 17:47:37 so, quoting seems like the way to go, but it requires some parsing 17:47:40 Xach: someday, someone should really publish a manual for quicklisp :) 17:47:41 I haven't used it and I don't think anyone else has either, so please report problems. 17:47:50 dlowe: I want to do that sooner rather than later 17:48:02 Too many magic things with oral tradition for my preference 17:48:15 quicklisp-tips! 17:48:27 Get Edi to do it. He makes the best damn documentation I've ever read for anything. 17:48:38 I don't use quicklisp init files, i put things in my .sbclrc 17:49:12 if i wanted to load something on start up, i'd dump a core with it, unless it's something changing all the time 17:49:29 I haven't gotten into that habit but I think I'd like to 17:50:03 -!- nilsi_ [~nilsi@112.222.211.114] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:50:09 i normally use a core with all the sbcl contribs loaded 17:50:24 stassats: i actually got burned by doing that in one context 17:50:35 stassats: it turns out many projects have implicit dependencies on e.g. sb-introspect 17:50:37 nilsi_ [~nilsi@112.222.211.114] has joined #lisp 17:50:44 i guess that's a side-effect of slime use, too 17:53:05 -!- loiclisp [~loic@156.44.122.78.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:53:23 I'm actually trying to remove something I put in an init file somewhere a long time ago 17:53:43 hiroakip [~hiroaki@77-20-51-63-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 17:54:28 There's no local-init folder in my quicklisp... 17:54:39 There's also nothing extra in my .sbclrc 17:54:51 -!- nilsi_ [~nilsi@112.222.211.114] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:56:59 ggole [~ggole@124-169-82-27.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 17:57:13 nilsi_ [~nilsi@112.222.211.114] has joined #lisp 17:58:49 innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-24-17-64-212.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:59:12 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 17:59:24 -!- trebor_dki [~user@153.96.244.11] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 18:00:12 -!- jordonbiondo [~user@50-77-199-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:00:13 Xach, is there a way to reset my quicklisp init files from the repl? 18:00:34 jordonbiondo [~user@50-77-199-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 18:01:03 -!- Alfr [~Unknown@g226032089.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:03:21 p_nathan [~Adium@174-21-165-174.tukw.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 18:06:42 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 18:07:40 klltkr_ [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has joined #lisp 18:09:51 -!- tormato [~oferrer@c-174-48-235-123.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:14:21 -!- ikki [~ikki@187.191.6.6] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:22:34 zfx [~zfx@host109-154-235-106.range109-154.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 18:24:58 -!- cheryllium [~chatzilla@128.237.192.237] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:27:17 -!- zfx [~zfx@host109-154-235-106.range109-154.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:32:37 -!- wccoder [~wccoder@unaffiliated/wccoder] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:33:42 -!- Code_Man` [~Code_Man@2a02:1205:5058:1cb0:223:54ff:fe38:82c2] has quit [Quit: Cya] 18:34:14 Fare [~fare@cpe-72-229-109-116.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 18:34:27 Code_Man` [~Code_Man@2a02:1205:5058:1cb0:223:54ff:fe38:82c2] has joined #lisp 18:35:10 -!- __greg [~Greg@216-129-179-180.arvig.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:35:25 wccoder [~wccoder@154.20.58.178] has joined #lisp 18:36:31 -!- hiroakip [~hiroaki@77-20-51-63-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:37:08 Adlai [~Adlai@gateway/tor-sasl/adlai] has joined #lisp 18:37:20 __greg [~Greg@216-129-179-180.arvig.net] has joined #lisp 18:39:14 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@216.55.31.30] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:43:22 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:44:20 cheryllium [~chatzilla@128.237.188.75] has joined #lisp 18:45:29 jiacobucci [~jiacobucc@pool-173-73-8-83.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 18:46:08 tensorpudding [~tensorpud@99.102.66.210] has joined #lisp 18:51:39 -!- aftershave_ [~textual@h-238-41.a336.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 18:51:43 ikki [~ikki@187.191.6.33] has joined #lisp 18:53:26 -!- mgodshall [~mgodshall@8.20.30.249] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:54:20 Actually, it's rather easy to filter out this bit.lo spammer: just filter out all female names followed digits, in the five first minutes of the even numbered hours (in TZ=Europe/Madrid). 18:54:20 ! 18:55:09 -!- KaiQ [~localhost@p5DD9E39A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:56:55 pjb: how did you come to such conclusion? 18:57:07 drmeister [~drmeister@216.55.31.30] has joined #lisp 18:58:14 -!- wgreenhouse [~wgreenhou@fsf/member/wgreenhouse] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:58:42 pjb: wouldn't it be easier to just ignore all lines having that http:// address? 18:59:56 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-184-240.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 19:00:56 wgreenhouse [~wgreenhou@fsf/member/wgreenhouse] has joined #lisp 19:02:18 hitecnologys: by grepping my erc log. 19:02:47 flip214: I'm afraid the path could change. I'd just just bit.lo 19:02:48 -!- sohail__ [~sohail@75-119-248-79.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 19:04:28 jpfuente_ [~jacques@pool-96-253-99-113.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 19:04:40 pjb: well, my grep says it's _always_ been my_video69 ... 19:05:29 pjb: I see. 19:05:51 ehaliewicz [~user@50-0-51-28.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 19:06:21 -!- jpfuentes2 [~jacques@pool-96-253-99-113.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:07:06 -!- mathrick_ is now known as mathrick 19:08:06 -!- ehu [~ehu@62.140.132.69] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:08:52 mgodshall [~mgodshall@8.20.30.249] has joined #lisp 19:09:17 -!- bocaneri [~bocaneri_@about/linux/staff/sauvin] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:09:48 -!- CatMtKing [~CatMtKing@ed-uluka.dyn.ucr.edu] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 19:11:10 sohail__ [~sohail@75-119-248-79.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 19:11:23 I have a known state of sbcl, and use save-lisp-and-die. Then I reproduce that state, run (do-all-symbols) and (setf (documentation sym type) nil) for each of the documented types, call GC, and save again. fun fact: the image is now bigger, by 200kB! 19:12:01 zygentoma [~kvirc@dslb-178-003-079-129.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 19:12:12 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 19:13:26 although running the same look, counting the length of all documentation strings, would say that ~830kB should get freed... 19:13:29 -!- Adlai [~Adlai@gateway/tor-sasl/adlai] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:13:59 vkrest [~vkrest@2620:0:1cfe:18:902e:d8b4:69b5:52e] has joined #lisp 19:14:06 aftershave_ [~textual@h-238-41.a336.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #lisp 19:14:29 gmcastil [~user@97-122-163-48.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 19:23:15 -!- zygentoma [~kvirc@dslb-178-003-079-129.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.1.3 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 19:24:49 -!- nilsi_ [~nilsi@112.222.211.114] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:24:56 -!- ikki [~ikki@187.191.6.33] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:25:18 nilsi_ [~nilsi@112.222.211.114] has joined #lisp 19:26:55 flip214: that could be explained by a (setf (gethash sym docs) nil) vs. (remhash sym docs). 19:27:34 pjb: ah, right. will try to setf only if not null. 19:28:15 I've just configured (push (cons "#lisp" (format "^%s[0-9]+$" (regexp-opt *femnams*))) erc-ignore-per-channel-alist) ; we'll see in 40 minutes if it's successful :-) 19:28:36 flip214: you could check sbcl sources and provide a patch! 19:28:39 -!- nilsi_ [~nilsi@112.222.211.114] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:29:29 -!- Nizumzen [~Nizumzen@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:29:35 -!- JPeterson [~JPeterson@81-233-152-121-no83.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:30:10 konroc [~admin@148.Red-79-148-241.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 19:30:37 -!- Patzy [~something@lns-bzn-51f-81-56-151-137.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:30:45 Patzy [~something@lns-bzn-51f-81-56-151-137.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 19:31:24 how do I display the line number and the offending form when slime shows an error? Presently I only get the backtrace 19:31:45 konroc: sadly, you can't 19:31:56 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:32:27 pjb: I see quite a few names that would match it in the userlist already. I believe the bots have always had exactly 2 digits, which would lessen the false positives 19:32:29 H4ns: what do you do when this happens? 19:32:57 konroc: i press "enter" on the line in the backtrace that i want to see the source for 19:33:26 konroc: often, i recompile the file with full debug (C-u C-c C-k) to see more information in the stack trace 19:34:06 francogrex [~user@91.179.206.136] has joined #lisp 19:34:25 H4ns: Thanks, will that show line numbers? 19:34:30 konroc: no 19:34:44 konroc: you can't really get line numbers 19:34:59 ah well, I should find it eventually 19:35:09 (the problem) 19:36:12 so if I did Lisp professionally and inherited a large codebase and after some changes errors start cropping up, do I slowly make for the door? 19:36:28 konroc: no, you learn how to use the debugger 19:36:36 haha ok 19:36:39 konroc: hint: line numbers are not the only way how to debug a program. 19:37:04 H4ns: I guess I'm about to find that out 19:38:35 konroc: you M-. on the function in the frame? 19:39:46 Fare: what does M-. do? 19:40:08 ask emacs: C-h k 19:40:26 or try it 19:40:34 I promise it won't rm -rf / or anything. 19:40:37 Jumps to the definition of the symbol that the cursor is at 19:40:48 but hey, I'm a politician, so will you believe my promises? 19:41:16 M-, goes back from there, and you can nest 19:41:24 Fare: it's just good manners to be cautious :) 19:42:25 pjb: you're a hero, that reduced the image size by 3MB. 19:42:28 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-141-224-197.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:43:19 White_Flame: I'll look into that. Right now I think it's only a typo. But I should gear up on slime/debugging. 19:43:23 konroc: if you're a vim guy, try slimv. that will show the line number. 19:44:00 H4ns: I only have some kind of intuition about why we can't have line numbers in the backtraces, and I really wish we had them, do you know of any docs explaining that point? 19:44:29 dim: you can. http://jsnell.iki.fi/blog/archive/2007-12-19-pretty-sbcl-backtraces.html 19:44:38 dim: it is not impossible, just not done often. 19:44:59 which tip do you have that make the line numbers useless or about? 19:45:03 Xach: thanks! 19:45:07 normally there's some way to just jump to the right function. then the filename and line number are irrelevant anyway. 19:45:27 Anyone used Vacietis? 19:45:33 flip214: I like both, no problem there, but sticking with emacs just now even if I have little experience with it 19:45:42 White_Flame: yes, I match at least one digit after the name. 19:45:47 -!- Fare [~fare@cpe-72-229-109-116.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:46:00 konroc: most people here use emacs, so you'll be supported better with it. 19:46:01 well the function might be using the same calling pattern more than once and you want to know which occurence leads to the debugger 19:46:04 It just sucks when you get something like a nil error, and all you get is a reference to a function which could have a large number of places that error could hit 19:46:15 I want to know the call-site with more precision that a function body 19:46:21 Hi, I have an 2D array: what is the quickest and most efficieny way to count the number of 1 occurences between 2 dates for example 18790 and 19017 for example? http://paste.lisp.org/display/141298 19:46:21 White_Flame: your function is too large in that case. 19:46:28 pjb: yeah,I think I also misread the syntax 19:46:29 dim: high debug has that effect. 19:46:41 what is high debug? 19:46:43 dim: i use C-u C-c C-c on functions to get fine-granularity high debug 19:46:51 ah ok 19:46:52 dim: declaring (debug 3) or similar. 19:46:56 I've tried it sometimes 19:46:56 or C-u C-c C-k to recompile the whole file with high debug 19:46:58 C-u C-c C-c has that effect 19:46:58 H4ns: one single expression could easily have 2-3 places where a nil could kill it 19:47:04 I don't remember great effects 19:47:13 dim: It makes "v" jump to a precise spot in the body 19:47:16 in SBCL there's a default compiler policy you can change 19:47:17 among other things 19:47:18 then recompile 19:47:38 dim: That is what C-u does on compilation key bindings 19:47:45 oooh, I might have used C-u C-c C-c but missed trying 'v' again 19:48:25 I don't think it's as well-known as I would like 19:48:25 White_Flame: that's precisely my situation. It won't be hard to find out by hand but well... 19:49:29 lisp debugging is both awesome (don't have to redo the test case again with gdb attached) and frustrating as hell (show me the exact call site damn it), so C-u + V sounds a major missing piece yes 19:50:14 Any good slime documentation that are not youtube videos? 19:50:32 percopal_ [~percopal@cpe-72-227-136-13.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 19:50:32 konroc: the manual has a lot of info. 19:50:48 i found it really hard to get the point of slime until i saw it in motion, though. 19:50:55 -!- percopal [~percopal@cpe-72-227-136-13.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:50:56 -!- percopal_ is now known as percopal 19:51:00 "why should i bother switching from ilisp?" was my thinking 19:51:21 Xach: was it worth it? 19:51:23 -!- r0b1 [~robert@subtle/contributor/robgleeson] has quit [Quit: brb] 19:51:41 r0b1 [~robert@subtle/contributor/robgleeson] has joined #lisp 19:51:43 coming from elisp programming with ielm and C-M-x and the like, I knew I wanted SLIME 19:51:45 "why should I learn emacs" was my thinking. I was dealing with a terminal repl and vim. 19:51:46 konroc: yes. slime does many things i like that ilisp does not. 19:52:08 normanrichards [~textual@cpe-24-27-51-194.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 19:52:12 francogrex: (count-if (lambda (x) (<= 18790 x 19017)) (make-array (reduce '* (array-dimensions 2d-array)) :displaced-to 2d-array)) 19:52:32 francogrex: in terms of programmer efficiency and speed. 19:52:34 I'll go to read when the nice discussion slows 19:52:57 francogrex: otherwise I won't make you the insult of supposing you don't know how to loop over a matrix elements. 19:53:01 -!- p_nathan [~Adium@174-21-165-174.tukw.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:53:44 ah, ilisp 19:53:47 I remember the days 19:53:49 can I tell ASDF to do GC more often? I can save an image to ~100MB, but if the starting SBCL has less than 320MB dynamic-space-size it goes OOM. 19:54:06 you can set bytes-consed-between-gcs 19:54:36 Xach: once slime is stable enough, I guess you could consider switching from ilisp. 19:54:43 :if-exists :rename-and-delete create's the new file with the mode of the olde one, at least in ccl 19:55:01 kobian [~sambio@unaffiliated/kobain] has joined #lisp 19:55:06 Krystof: just set it to some value? "The variable BYTES-CONSED-BETWEEN-GCS is unbound." 19:55:36 flip214: remember that you've got the nursery, TLABs, and generation buffers all feeding into static memory usage 19:56:05 so even though it's "using" less in theory, there still needs to be room to copy things around 19:56:13 Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 19:56:26 pjb: i know some people still use ilisp because they find slime too featureful ("unpredictable") for their preferences 19:56:51 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@107.201.5.56] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:57:06 -!- ggole [~ggole@124-169-82-27.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [] 19:58:40 flip214: since I am working from memory, you might need a bit of apropos first 19:58:54 ehu [~ehu@62.140.132.1] has joined #lisp 19:58:55 Krystof: no, autocompletion gave me that symbol. 19:59:14 it might be a function 19:59:46 Krystof: yeah, just saw that. 20:02:07 pjb: ok, but I though count-if is inefficient (fyi I was using it in a code). I was thinking of sorting array and doinf a binary search ... 20:02:36 Krystof: thanks, that let me reduce from 320 to 260MB ... 20:02:47 any other ideas what I could cut out of the image? 20:04:05 Mya29 [~Mya29@79.141.173.62] has joined #lisp 20:04:08 Here some videos. I hope you like them! http://bit.do/my_videos69 20:04:26 flip214: O(nlogn+logn) = O(nlogn) > O(n) 20:04:59 -!- Mya29 [~Mya29@79.141.173.62] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:04:59 Oops, not in my list 20:05:50 when using a variable defined as `((foo ,(function bar))) then recompiling bar, is there a way to not have to redefine the variable (I'm using defvar) 20:07:10 dim: you could use a symbol to designate bar instead. 20:07:24 cgore [~cgore@cgore.com] has joined #lisp 20:08:18 I tried #'bar before, I guess bar should do here. 20:08:47 quasus [~stanislav@188.251.6.54] has joined #lisp 20:09:36 yeah 20:09:38 thanks! 20:09:54 jaccas [~pjfcl@bl6-22-99.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 20:09:59 -!- jaccas [~pjfcl@bl6-22-99.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:13:13 -!- doomlord_ [~servitor@host109-151-65-32.range109-151.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:16:45 -!- innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-24-17-64-212.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:22:00 -!- aftershave_ [~textual@h-238-41.a336.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 20:22:10 bgs100 [~bgs@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #lisp 20:23:36 -!- hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@46.189.28.83] has quit [Quit: hitecnologys] 20:26:31 -!- jewel_ [~jewel@105-237-57-213.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:31:49 JPeterson [~JPeterson@81-233-152-121-no83.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #lisp 20:33:31 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-101-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:34:12 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:35:41 -!- Ralt [Ralt@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:feae:6c69] has quit [Quit: Bye] 20:35:56 -!- ZombieChicken [~weechat@unaffiliated/forgottenwizard] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:36:21 davazp [~user@77.Red-88-23-190.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 20:36:39 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.180.73.150] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:37:12 -!- sellout- [~Adium@c-71-56-237-72.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:37:53 sellout- [~Adium@c-71-56-237-72.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:37:59 ZombieChicken [~weechat@ip68-224-46-40.lv.lv.cox.net] has joined #lisp 20:38:09 nha_ [~prefect@koln-5d817021.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 20:40:49 -!- sohail__ [~sohail@75-119-248-79.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 20:42:16 -!- sellout- [~Adium@c-71-56-237-72.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:43:37 Is there an easier way than (format nil "~a::~a" (package-name (symbol-package symbol)) symbol) to print a full symbol name to a string? 20:44:02 -!- Okasu [~1@unaffiliated/okasu] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 20:44:46 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:45:52 (let ((*package* (find-package :keyword))) (prin1-to-string 'a)) 20:45:52 fiveop: one easy way is to set *package* to the package named KEYWORD and then print it readably as with ~S or prin1 20:46:03 yeah, like that 20:46:33 kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-101-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 20:47:03 -!- francogrex [~user@91.179.206.136] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)] 20:47:22 with-standard-io-syntax is another way (assuming you're ok with things in CL-USER not having a prefix, personally i find seeing :foo as FOO to be more confusing) 20:47:32 segv-: that does not happen 20:47:37 it is a special case. 20:47:47 try it and see! 20:48:31 wow. 20:48:35 i'm impressed. 20:49:54 CatMtKing [~CatMtKing@ed-uluka.dyn.ucr.edu] has joined #lisp 20:50:02 thanks :) 20:50:30 That's a clever 'hack' :) 20:51:26 segv-: about what ? 20:51:35 Barry Margolin got really mad about the special case 20:54:15 fe[nl]ix: that :foo gets printed as :foo even if *package* is (find-package :keyword) 20:54:22 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 20:54:58 fiveop: if you use ~s, the package is appended if it's not imported into the current package 20:55:09 i do (let ((*package* *empty-package*)) (print 'cons)) after (defparameter *empty-package* (make-package "EMPTY" :use nil)) or some such 20:55:17 -!- fiveop [~fiveop@p5DDC7B5B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 20:55:25 pnpuff [~verneuil@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 20:55:38 No need! 20:55:44 -!- pnpuff [~verneuil@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has left #lisp 20:56:35 i'm confused, what's the special case? that with-standard-io binds *package* ? 20:56:36 bhyde: the keyword package works well, as it doesn't :use anything else 20:57:43 oh, i see; that if *package* is bound to the keyword package you still get the prefix colon 20:57:45 Fare [fare@nat/google/x-ghhzakspjpkolbjd] has joined #lisp 20:57:46 hm 20:58:03 and 1 vs 2 colons depending on export for everything else 20:59:16 zajn [~zajn@airbears2-136-152-142-12.AirBears2.Berkeley.EDU] has joined #lisp 20:59:26 innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-24-17-64-212.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:59:28 sellout- [~Adium@173-164-61-149-colorado.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 21:00:25 Pullphinger [~Pullphing@12.40.23.68] has joined #lisp 21:03:44 -!- tcr [~tcr@176.41.81.49] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:03:52 -!- nha_ is now known as nha 21:05:40 -!- knob [~knob@76.76.202.245] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:05:49 cpc26_ [~cpc26@fsf/member/cpc26] has joined #lisp 21:06:07 -!- cpc26_ [~cpc26@fsf/member/cpc26] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:06:31 -!- cpc26 [~cpc26@fsf/member/cpc26] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:10:17 Watcher7 [~w@108.216.28.176] has joined #lisp 21:10:21 urandom__ [~user@p548A1F12.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 21:10:35 -!- krrrcks [~krrrcks@krrrcks.de] has left #lisp 21:10:53 -!- normanrichards [~textual@cpe-24-27-51-194.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [] 21:11:50 -!- ehu [~ehu@62.140.132.1] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:11:58 davazp` [~user@77.Red-88-23-190.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 21:12:35 -!- davazp [~user@77.Red-88-23-190.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:17:21 gjulianm [~quassel@35.0.218.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 21:23:10 mhd [~mhd@cpe-76-170-71-237.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 21:23:17 -!- zophy [~venom@host-94-20-107-208.midco.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:24:07 Adlai [~Adlai@gateway/tor-sasl/adlai] has joined #lisp 21:26:23 -!- Adlai [~Adlai@gateway/tor-sasl/adlai] has quit [Client Quit] 21:27:55 -!- TDog [~chatzilla@67-1-221-94.tcso.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 26.0/20131205075310]] 21:30:11 KaiQ [~localhost@p578FC3E4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 21:32:13 bocaneri [~bocaneri_@about/linux/staff/sauvin] has joined #lisp 21:36:11 -!- Denommus [~user@unaffiliated/denommus] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:36:34 -!- askatasuna [~askatasun@181.30.10.50] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:37:07 askatasuna [~askatasun@181.30.10.50] has joined #lisp 21:39:05 sheilong [~sabayonus@unaffiliated/sheilong] has joined #lisp 21:41:02 Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has joined #lisp 21:43:12 -!- jpfuente_ [~jacques@pool-96-253-99-113.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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ZZZzzz] 22:01:19 -!- jordonbiondo [~user@50-77-199-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:01:40 jordonbiondo [~user@50-77-199-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 22:03:45 Tiffany18 [~Tiffany18@95.141.29.54] has joined #lisp 22:03:47 Hi! I give you some videos. I hope you like! http://bit.do/my_videos69 22:04:47 -!- Tiffany18 [~Tiffany18@95.141.29.54] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:05:42 -!- innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-24-17-64-212.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: innertracks] 22:06:16 clop: bind *print-circle* to t ? 22:07:01 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:07:04 see also *print-depth* and *print-length* etc. 22:07:06 zickzackv [~faot@p4FC960BF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 22:08:34 -!- zickzackv [~faot@p4FC960BF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Client Quit] 22:09:02 zickzackv [~faot@p4FC960BF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 22:09:08 -!- Vivitron [~Vivitron@198.199.115.157] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:10:17 -!- zickzackv [~faot@p4FC960BF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Client Quit] 22:12:34 Vivitron [~Vivitron@198.199.115.157] has joined #lisp 22:12:48 alas, i've been trying every combination of that i can think of without success 22:15:53 clop: did you paste sth (sorry i entered later ...)? 22:17:17 i will try to do so 22:19:40 traws [ilikenospa@187-55-225-219.fnsce704.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #lisp 22:20:57 -!- davazp` [~user@77.Red-88-23-190.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:22:53 i managed to get it working well enough 22:22:55 http://pastebin.com/m9G2b9vn 22:23:08 still much longer output than i would have expected, but i guess that's good enough for now 22:23:18 Watcher7ish [~w@108.216.28.176] has joined #lisp 22:26:23 -!- bicyclette [~deglingo@ALille-251-1-120-210.w86-208.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:26:53 -!- Watcher7ish [~w@108.216.28.176] has quit [Client Quit] 22:26:57 -!- Watcher7 [~w@108.216.28.176] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:28:39 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@182.6.15.109.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:29:59 cpc26 [~cpc26@fsf/member/cpc26] has joined #lisp 22:31:28 Watcher7 [~w@108.216.28.176] has joined #lisp 22:33:29 -!- fantazo [~fantazo@213.129.230.10] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:38:06 -!- Joreji [~thomas@173-254.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 251 seconds] 22:38:13 nug700 [~nug700@184-98-151-232.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 22:39:32 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 22:39:46 fridim_ [~fridim@bas2-montreal07-2925317577.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 22:40:29 -!- gjulianm [~quassel@35.0.218.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:41:19 KCL [~quassel@50.13.169.64] has joined #lisp 22:42:06 Xach: here? 22:42:21 are there canonical articles / essays to cite regarding Quicklisp? 22:42:23 Yes, but not for long - almost time for basketball practice. 22:42:44 I might publish (yet another?) 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