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01:15:29 -!- sheilong [~sabayonus@unaffiliated/sheilong] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 01:16:13 ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@78.171.41.243] has joined #lisp 01:17:44 andreh [~andreh@186.213.212.87] has joined #lisp 01:18:03 -!- speckle [~speckle@c-76-111-8-161.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:18:21 speckle [~speckle@c-76-111-8-161.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:18:54 Is there a way to access fields inside the function objects? Something like (name-of #'append) would return "append" 01:19:07 Or the 'append symbol 01:20:14 Maybe a method that operates on function objects? 01:21:10 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@78.171.41.243] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:22:01 -!- paul0 [~paul0@189.114.205.186.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Quit: Saindo] 01:24:27 -!- j-plankton [~velezj@westgate-seven-eighteen.mit.edu] has left #lisp 01:24:44 Or an implementation of #'print-object that receives a function as a parameter 01:25:39 lyanchih [~lyanchih@118-163-141-228.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 01:25:52 <_death> clhs function-lambda-expression 01:25:52 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_fn_lam.htm 01:26:00 andreh: function-lambda-expression 01:27:23 (nth-value 2 (function-lambda-expression #'append)) => append 01:27:47 Thank you very much 01:28:01 That is exactly what I need =] 01:28:29 -!- zophy [~venom@host-94-20-107-208.midco.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:28:36 slyrus 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I've got them working fine for COMPILE-FILE but if I COMPILE (progn (defstruct a) (defstruct (b (:include a)))) it complains that it cannot include struct A and B. 04:33:00 I'm having some kind of mental block - or there's been too much water under the bridge since I implemented COMPILE/COMPILE-FILE 04:33:16 Oh hang on - must put little one to bed - back in 15 min 04:33:17 drmeister: er, what's the actual compile call here 04:34:08 It's actually when I type (progn (defstruct a) (defstruct (b (:include a)))) in my REPL and it gets wrapped in a lambda and submitted to COMPILE and then executed. 04:34:13 drmeister: compile works on lambda forms, toplevelness is kind of out of the question. (though i'm reasonably sure your snippet would work, if in a lambda form, but it would involve runtime structure definition) 04:34:46 drmeister: oh, hm. i think you should get your repl to process toplevel forms maybe 04:35:46 -!- iwilcox [~iwilcox@unaffiliated/iwilcox] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:37:02 iwilcox [~iwilcox@unaffiliated/iwilcox] has joined #lisp 04:37:21 -!- oxum [~oxum@122.164.190.163] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:40:23 ggole [~ggole@124-169-86-247.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 04:41:11 oxum [~oxum@122.164.252.133] has joined #lisp 04:42:04 drmeister: COMPILE can't do toplevel forms, can it? 04:42:13 -!- pierre1_ [~pierre1@179.218.154.208] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:42:25 drmeister, you can probably have two separately compiled forms 04:43:11 of course your COMPILE can do more than the CLHS requires, and recognize toplevel forms indeed 04:44:01 my little one is already on the bed. If my "bed" you mean my shoulder. 04:44:38 -!- antonv` [~user@93.171.161.176] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:45:42 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 04:46:57 mhd [~mhd@cpe-76-170-71-237.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 04:47:50 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 04:49:02 -!- ericmathison [~ericmathi@23-114-209-79.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:49:05 -!- ckoch` [~ckoch@ne102611l.eng.utoledo.edu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:53:00 So how does SBCL compile (progn (defstruct a) (defstruct (b (:include a))))? 04:53:37 When I do it in my repl I get "A is an illegal included structure" 04:54:03 sbcl's eval handles some toplevel forms, like progn 04:55:50 What does that mean? Does it take them apart into separate sexps and compile them separately? 04:56:11 something like that. try M-.-ing eval 04:56:18 -!- askatasuna [~askatasun@190.18.159.54] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:56:22 Is there something in the standard that says what to do in this situation? 04:57:16 A top-level progn's content is the same as top-level content. 04:57:38 So you could treat it as a splice. 04:57:48 What is a splice? 04:57:51 really i'm not sure what's going on with yours. your compiler doesn't unpack the defstructs, so shouldn't it just eval them fully one at a time? 04:58:06 like ,@ 04:58:15 Sophia [~user@184.101.223.202] has joined #lisp 04:58:40 That is: A (PROGN B C) D should be equivalent to A B C D. 04:58:57 pierre1_ [~pierre1@179.218.154.208] has joined #lisp 04:59:13 Ok, I think I see. 04:59:49 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-161-23.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:00:07 It's more or less a work-around for the reader being incapable of returning multiple forms from a single expression. 05:00:52 kobain_ [~sambio@unaffiliated/kobain] has joined #lisp 05:01:06 -!- kobain [~sambio@unaffiliated/kobain] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:01:46 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-80-164.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 05:03:11 Ok, I see - I'm implementing it now. 05:03:46 -!- Sophia [~user@184.101.223.202] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:03:54 askatasuna [~askatasun@190.18.159.54] has joined #lisp 05:05:27 vkrest [~vkrest@76-244-38-58.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 05:05:56 -!- iwilcox [~iwilcox@unaffiliated/iwilcox] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:07:07 JuanDaugherty [~Ren@cpe-198-255-198-157.buffalo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 05:07:58 -!- klltkr [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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ZZZzzz] 05:23:20 r0rschach [~r0rschach@65.93.203.160] has joined #lisp 05:24:18 -!- jhao [~user@pool-72-76-190-214.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:29:14 -!- frx [frx@93-138-70-149.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:29:33 frx [frx@78-1-180-75.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 05:31:25 just for future consideration, is there a way to un-defstruct a structure that was previously defined? think JITs where internal structures are determined at runtime, with new ones replacing old 05:32:20 simply to avoid memory leaks of older unused structures 05:32:32 White_Flame: I have a JIT and I don't need to do that. 05:32:49 right, but if that were a need, is it possible? 05:33:04 White_Flame: use classes, not structures 05:33:22 White_Flame: dynamic definition is one thing that classes solve. 05:33:51 can classes be later un-defined? 05:34:01 White_Flame: yes 05:34:13 White_Flame: and re-defined, too 05:34:27 White_Flame: so you can add or remove slots and still see things work. 05:34:40 I know that they can be modified, with functions to migrate from the old version to the new 05:34:51 loke: What's the call to undefine a class? 05:35:09 -!- pierre1_ [~pierre1@179.218.154.208] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:35:22 -!- Bike [~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:35:29 White_Flame: (setf (find-class 'foo) nil) 05:35:51 White_Flame: obviously, the class will only be completely deleted when it is no longer referenced and thus garbage collected 05:36:12 White_Flame: but after the setf, it will no longer be accesible by its name 05:36:20 gadmyth [~user@116.247.79.118] has joined #lisp 05:36:28 ahn interesting. thanks 05:36:32 s/n/,/ 05:36:53 are there any serious speed penalties with slot accessors of classes vs structs? 05:37:03 White_Flame: do a measurement 05:37:43 White_Flame: if classes appear slow, there are options to make them faster (for example by using arrays and fixed indices for their representation). 05:37:46 okay, have you done or know of any measurements of possible speed penalties between slot accessors of classes vs structs? 05:37:48 :) 05:38:00 White_Flame: of course. i've never found the differences to matter. 05:38:06 ok, good 05:38:14 White_Flame: that depends on a lot of things. The least of which not being the choice of implementation. 05:38:34 But like H4ns said, I also never found any relevant difference 05:38:54 In ECL and my Common Lisp structs and classes are implemented with the same underlying object - so access time is identical. 05:39:11 I'm typically on sbcl x86-64 05:39:47 Bike [~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu] has joined #lisp 05:39:55 White_Flame: on SBCL, they are different, and there is some optimisation that SBCL can do on structs that are not yet available for classes (pkhuhong wrote a blog post about it some time ago) 05:40:05 White_Flame: my advice is not to worry. clos may be slower than c++ classes, but it is still much faster than most other object systems of dynamic languages. 05:40:08 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Disconnected by services] 05:40:09 But again, he's a CS person, and in practice the difference doesn't matter 05:40:09 How does that work for multiple inheritance? 05:40:12 Zhivago, Bike, Fare: I preprocess forms in the REPL now before I compile them and separate out top-level forms. (progn (defstruct a) (defstruct (b (:include a)))) now works. 05:40:34 drmeister: just at the repl or for eval in general 05:40:36 You do superclass linearization, right? 05:40:38 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 05:40:52 Bike: For eval in general. 05:41:07 coo 05:41:35 drmeister: do you have full MOP support? 05:41:41 hans: I suspect that's nonsense. :) 05:42:02 Zhivago: hu? 05:42:12 Being much faster than most other object systems. 05:42:23 Zhivago: he said "dynamic languages" 05:42:27 loke: I still don't know what "full MOP support" is - I have whatever ECL has. 05:42:30 Sure, even there. 05:42:35 Zhivago: well, let me replace "most" with "many" 05:42:49 It would probably beat ruby or cpython. :) 05:42:55 What is full MOP support? 05:43:05 MOP = meta-object protocol 05:43:06 OK, let me put it this way 05:43:09 but CLOS has some pretty expensive things to support. 05:43:13 Does closer-mop load? 05:43:16 Zhivago: there you have two, that is "many"! :) 05:43:37 *H4ns* regrets to have made any claim of cl relative to blub 05:43:51 Hurrah. 05:43:54 klltkr [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has joined #lisp 05:44:02 loke: I don't know - is closer-mop available as a single file? 05:44:07 or regarding, whatever. i'd not worry about clos being too slow when compared to structs 05:44:21 Use a profiler before you start caring. 05:44:55 right, but it does make sense to ask "Is this feasible?" first 05:45:20 and to ask about any significant gotchas that people might like to share 05:45:37 when there is none, all is good, but the answerers tend to wonder where the content of the question was :) 05:46:18 Frankly, it shouldn't matter much as both have the same basic abstract form. 05:46:37 At least if you support (make-foo) and (foo-blah x) and so on. 05:46:38 DalekBaldwin [~user@ip68-231-209-84.oc.oc.cox.net] has joined #lisp 05:46:57 So swapping out the defining forms is pretty straight-forward. 05:47:03 Zhivago: right, and they do have differences in the abstract form when it comes to multiple inheritance and undefining 05:47:30 Well, structs don't do MI, so that's the same. :) 05:47:38 -!- iwilcox [~iwilcox@unaffiliated/iwilcox] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:47:40 pierre1_ [~pierre1@179.218.154.208] has joined #lisp 05:48:02 I often use structs initially because it involves less typing. 05:48:05 and structs, AFAIK, can't be undefined in a standard way either. Maybe by blowing away the package? 05:48:20 Uninterning the symbol would work just fine. 05:48:40 What is it that makes Common Lisp structs/classes so fast compared to other dynamic languages? CL Macros to access slots vs things like Python Dictionaries or associative arrays? 05:48:42 But that's not an issue if you're reloading stuff. 05:49:01 drmeister: Mostly that other dynamic language implementations really suck and were written by idiots. 05:49:22 And by the time smart people came along they were stuck with whatever ridiculous thing they came up with. 05:49:29 Well implemented dynamic langs are fine in that respect. 05:49:40 Self, lua, Javascript these days (sigh) 05:49:50 -!- klltkr [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz] 05:49:50 In contrast, I suspect that v8 javascript kicks the crap out of CL structs/classes. 05:50:21 Unless you sprinkle type decls everywhere :/ 05:50:22 They do some really nice class inference on the fly. 05:50:38 yeah, I've read the V8 papers as well. Simple, clever, and fast 05:50:39 klltkr [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has joined #lisp 05:50:40 Yeah, hidden classes are a great idea. 05:50:57 I'm not sure I would agree with "simple" though. 05:51:03 iwilcox [~iwilcox@unaffiliated/iwilcox] has joined #lisp 05:51:05 well, the concept is simple 05:51:46 What are hidden classes? 05:52:03 In many respects, I've come to the conclusion that js is the successful evolution of lisp into the mainstream. 05:52:08 reading up on the JVM as well, there's a lot of things that really point towards dynamic recompilation being superior to single compilation 05:52:23 -!- nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:52:26 An implementation technique for implementing dynamic objects so that they can be respectably fast 05:52:28 and how those advantages are tractibly achieved 05:52:36 drmeister: They figure objects tend to have a static slot distribution. 05:52:56 drmeister: So they go and build specialized classes for those static slot distributions. 05:53:35 drmeister: And until you violate that, you have some effective class, and you know what accessors on that class will do. 05:54:34 how do I import a read macro from a package? 05:54:35 White: Absolutely -- particularly if you can carry that information between sessions. 05:54:49 Do you mean 'the name of a read macro'? 05:54:57 And the JIT can speculatively cache the assumption that, say, an argument to a function is always of a certain hidden class, and hardcode accesses into the code. 05:55:35 well, to actually use it in the code of another package 05:55:48 White: Then you get code that is tuned for how you actually use it. 05:56:08 (The assumption does need to be checked, but there are very fast ways to do that on modern machines.) 05:56:11 White_Flame: if you look through some of the optimization documentation of LispWorks (and Allegro probably as well), you'll find similar optimizations done ahead of time based on profiling information from running image 05:56:27 Dalek: Your question doesn't really make sense -- do you mean the function implementing the read-macro? 05:56:40 -!- klltkr [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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If they don't extract that as a macro, or set it globally, you'll have to manually find a way to access it 05:59:48 -!- iwilcox [~iwilcox@unaffiliated/iwilcox] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:02:38 Nizumzen [~Nizumzen@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #lisp 06:03:11 -!- pierre1_ [~pierre1@179.218.154.208] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:05:06 Harag [~Thunderbi@ti-229-227-14.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 06:06:03 iwilcox [~iwilcox@unaffiliated/iwilcox] has joined #lisp 06:07:56 klltkr [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has joined #lisp 06:08:03 -!- klltkr [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has quit [Client Quit] 06:09:15 klltkr [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has joined #lisp 06:09:57 aced-ddules [2e258e06@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.37.142.6] has joined #lisp 06:10:49 -!- klltkr [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has quit [Client Quit] 06:11:23 -!- arubin [~textual@99-114-192-172.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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(without terrible paddings like in http://www.paulgraham.com/lib/paulgraham/onlisp.pdf from the authors' site) 06:12:29 klltkr [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has joined #lisp 06:13:03 preferably with -t @afourpaper (on A4 sheets, not US Letter typical for TeXinfo) 06:13:28 drmeister, how do you handle change-class? 06:14:01 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.206.246] has joined #lisp 06:14:04 -!- klltkr [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has quit [Client Quit] 06:14:23 klltkr [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has joined #lisp 06:15:01 -!- askatasuna [~askatasun@190.18.159.54] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:15:04 -!- lyanchih_ [~lyanchih@118.163.141.228] has quit [Quit: lyanchih_] 06:15:47 lyanchih [~lyanchih@202.39.219.19] has joined #lisp 06:16:25 nisstyre [~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 06:17:13 hm, okay, I guess I can set it up manually. is there a preferred way to ensure a readtable is only active within a package or asdf system? 06:18:36 -!- eli [~eli@racket/eli] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:18:53 you can probably extend some operations in ASDF to make it set readtable... 06:19:10 other than that, use named-readtables and call it in each file? 06:19:41 -!- oxum [~oxum@122.164.252.133] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:22:07 innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-50-159-9-43.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 06:23:15 -!- klltkr [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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I switched the base cases for cc, to see how the behavior might change but I can't find any difference regardless of what amounts I call count-change with. http://ideone.com/Hg9EHu 07:07:27 lyanchih_ [~lyanchih@118-163-141-228.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 07:08:20 -!- prxq_ is now known as prxq 07:11:03 -!- lyanchih_ [~lyanchih@118-163-141-228.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Client Quit] 07:11:35 ackpacket: this channel is for Common Lisp, try #scheme. 07:11:45 lyanchih_ [~lyanchih@202.39.219.19] has joined #lisp 07:11:57 ggole: I did. Thought someone here might see what I can't seem to 07:17:24 -!- nisstyre [~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3] 07:17:41 zajn [~zajn@108.205.50.54] has joined #lisp 07:17:43 MrWoohoo [~MrWoohoo@pool-74-100-140-127.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 07:19:13 -!- innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-50-159-9-43.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: innertracks] 07:19:33 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@94.144.63.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:20:36 -!- kirin` [telex@gateway/shell/anapnea.net/x-hajxxpdrrpmywcbf] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:23:12 ackpacket: unless there's some reason to believe otherwise, wouldn't you (somewhat tentatively) conclude that there is no difference in behaviour? 07:24:58 -!- sfa [~sfa@208.66.156.12] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:31:01 -!- urandom__ [~user@ip-84-119-36-9.unity-media.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 07:33:46 kirin` [telex@gateway/shell/anapnea.net/x-ojhqlhusrompfguy] has joined #lisp 07:33:47 -!- askatasuna [~askatasun@190.18.159.54] has quit [Ping timeout: 253 seconds] 07:34:24 Nizumzen [~Nizumzen@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #lisp 07:34:29 -!- iwilcox [~iwilcox@unaffiliated/iwilcox] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:34:34 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-80-164.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 07:34:39 ccb [~user@218.246.107.87] has joined #lisp 07:35:27 syrinx [~quassel@ip68-1-175-223.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #lisp 07:35:31 -!- syrinx [~quassel@ip68-1-175-223.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Changing host] 07:35:31 syrinx [~quassel@unaffiliated/syrinx-/x-4255893] has joined #lisp 07:35:33 iwilcox [~iwilcox@unaffiliated/iwilcox] has joined #lisp 07:37:08 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-0-109.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 07:37:24 slacko25328 [~root@dslb-092-075-234-235.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 07:38:14 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:39:34 -!- Fare [~fare@cpe-72-229-109-116.nyc.res.rr.com] has left #lisp 07:39:44 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@5.76.185.228] has joined #lisp 07:39:44 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@5.76.185.228] has quit [Changing host] 07:39:44 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 07:40:51 -!- slacko25328 [~root@dslb-092-075-234-235.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:40:51 askatasuna [~askatasun@190.18.159.54] has joined #lisp 07:44:21 jewel_ [~jewel@105-237-57-213.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 07:44:58 leo2007 [~leo@61.149.221.99] has joined #lisp 07:46:29 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:47:22 vibhavp [~user@ubuntu/member/vibhav] has joined #lisp 07:47:38 Does lisp have any goto construct? 07:48:26 vibhavp: yes 07:48:32 clhs TAGBODY 07:48:32 tagbody: http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/s_tagbod.htm 07:48:34 clhs GO 07:48:35 go: http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/s_go.htm 07:49:13 ggole: I did arrive at that conclusion. I cast doubt on it because of the leading nature of the question this problem comes from. It doesn't just ask how the behavior changes, but even goes so far as to ask for what arguments it does 07:50:33 xificurC [xificurC@nat/ibm/x-qaxfhdcvdmktwfzr] has joined #lisp 07:51:05 -!- mhd [~mhd@cpe-76-170-71-237.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 07:52:48 ackpacket: people interested in discussing scheme would be in.... #scheme 07:53:08 -!- iwilcox [~iwilcox@unaffiliated/iwilcox] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:53:26 Thanks H4ns. Please invest in a mouse wheel. 07:53:38 -!- nha [~prefect@koln-5d816326.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:53:56 ackpacket: you did not seem to understand, so i though i'd try a different way to express it. 07:54:21 Thanks H4ns . Please invest in a mouse wheel. 07:54:32 ackpacket: please invest in /topic 07:54:52 I didn't revive this conversation after ggole said the same thing H4ns is. 07:55:30 then please constrain smartarse answers 07:56:06 I'll reserve that privilege for people who don't beat dead horses 07:56:15 But thanks so much 07:56:28 You're a doll :) 07:56:30 Seem identical for the first 5000 *shrug* 07:56:46 Either my translation or your code or the answer is mistaken. 07:56:59 ha, ggole. You tried it for all of those? So kind of you. 07:57:12 ... 07:57:21 My hamster did it for me. 07:57:42 stepnem [~stepnem@77.78.117.8] has joined #lisp 07:57:45 I found "an" answer. 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Yeah, I've made some suggestions for the book at github.com/chrnybo/ If you want the patches further cleaned up, let me know. Hope you'll get things sorted out regarding hardware. 11:41:53 Harag [~Thunderbi@ti-229-227-14.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 11:43:06 CADD [~CADD@12.227.104.109] has joined #lisp 11:43:15 -!- CADD [~CADD@12.227.104.109] has quit [Client Quit] 11:43:41 -!- Praise- is now known as Praise 11:46:12 jpfuentes2 [~jacques@pool-173-53-102-185.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 11:46:18 -!- WeirdEnthusiast [Elite6963@2a00:d880:3:1::c39a:750e] has quit [Quit: EliteBNC free bnc service - http://elitebnc.org - be a part of the Elite!] 11:46:18 -!- yacks [~py@122.179.33.54] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:47:45 -!- jpfuentes2 [~jacques@pool-173-53-102-185.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 11:48:05 WeirdEnthusiast [Elite6963@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-hhultwvewrdxplti] has joined #lisp 11:48:19 aftersha_ [~textual@h-238-41.a336.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #lisp 11:50:49 jpfuentes2 [~jacques@pool-173-53-102-185.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 11:51:57 chr```: thanks, I might actually find some time to update it over the weekend. 11:52:37 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:54:03 joshwambua [~quassel@197.254.15.122] has joined #lisp 11:54:54 -!- cmpitg [~cmpitg@unaffiliated/cmpitg] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:54:56 knob [~knob@76.76.202.245] has joined #lisp 11:55:11 -!- oxum [~oxum@122.174.10.186] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:56:25 -!- knob [~knob@76.76.202.245] has left #lisp 11:57:14 hpd [~hpd@hpdeifel.de] has joined #lisp 11:57:56 eudoxia [~eudoxia@r179-24-30-184.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 11:58:45 -!- paul0 [~paul0@189.114.205.186.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:59:25 ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@88.243.233.93] has joined #lisp 11:59:27 -!- leo2007 [~leo@61.149.221.99] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:04:08 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.98.223] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 12:04:42 mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has joined #lisp 12:06:18 oxum [~oxum@122.164.86.86] has joined #lisp 12:09:53 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 12:21:31 -!- aftersha_ [~textual@h-238-41.a336.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 12:21:50 Xach [~xach@pdpc/supporter/professional/xach] has joined #lisp 12:23:24 yacks [~py@103.6.159.103] has joined #lisp 12:23:54 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:23:57 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:25:01 hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@109.120.3.9] has joined #lisp 12:25:49 msg pavelpenev And _do_ tell me if you want patches cleaned up in a particular fashion. At work, we're just 3 programmers, and our git procedures are kinda, eh, improvised. 12:26:57 chr```: sure 12:28:42 harish [~harish@175.156.245.20] has joined #lisp 12:35:44 msg chr``` I think you need a slash 12:38:51 -!- ck`` [~ck@dslb-094-219-236-112.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:39:45 -!- mcsontos [mcsontos@nat/redhat/x-mvdzxhpamhmtxlzo] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:39:46 Nizumzen [~Nizumzen@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #lisp 12:40:36 -!- aftershave_ [~textual@h-238-41.a336.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 12:41:14 aftershave_ [~textual@h-238-41.a336.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #lisp 12:41:51 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p5DD15312.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:44:37 -!- askatasuna [~askatasun@190.18.159.54] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:47:32 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-80-164.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 12:47:44 hiroakip [~hiroaki@132.176.221.93] 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14:42:17 puchacz [~puchacz@46-65-36-47.zone16.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 14:42:43 hi, how can I reinitialise swank server? after disconnecting it is not accepting emacs again on slime-connect 14:43:16 initially I start it with (swank-loader:init) 14:44:34 start it as (swank:create-server ... :dont-close t) 14:44:42 initially? 14:44:51 yes 14:44:56 ok, thx 14:45:07 and use ,disconnect not ,sayonara 14:46:36 davazp [~user@77.Red-88-23-190.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 14:46:50 amaron [~amaron@net121-78-245-109.mbb.telenor.rs] has joined #lisp 14:47:12 fe[nl]ix: I did not get the last comment 14:47:57 to "detach" from swank use ,disconnect instead of ,sayonara (if I got that correctly) 14:48:00 -!- nipra [~nipra@61.12.27.114] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:52:28 -!- alexherbo2 [~alexherbo@APlessis-Bouchard-154-1-57-239.w90-3.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3-dev] 14:52:45 michael_lee [~michael_l@113.135.104.141] has joined #lisp 14:55:16 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-71-175-2-214.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:56:08 kami [~user@unaffiliated/kami-] has joined #lisp 14:56:13 Hello 14:57:38 alexherbo2 [~alexherbo@APlessis-Bouchard-154-1-57-239.w90-3.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 14:58:06 -!- vaporatorius is now known as Vaporatorius 14:58:22 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 14:58:34 I am trying to debug some code and would need a watchpoint on a hash-table 14:58:48 -!- pavelpenev [~quassel@melontech.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:59:25 to (break) in a modification attempt 15:00:31 -!- ck`` [~ck@dslb-094-219-236-112.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:01:15 ThePhoeron [~user@206.191.69.65] has joined #lisp 15:04:29 kami: you could try some variation of a conditional trace with break 15:04:50 can I trace a (setf (gethash ...) ? 15:05:10 kami: i'm not sure, but it'd be worth a try 15:05:17 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 15:05:23 the function name would be (setf gethash) 15:05:29 H4ns: thanks 15:07:25 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@176.192.108.238] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:09:23 if it is a function 15:11:00 you can get the function from (get-setf-expansion '(gethash x y z)) 15:11:12 => ... (PROGN #:G2506 (SB-KERNEL:%PUTHASH #:G2504 #:G2505 #:G2507)) 15:11:18 hey stassats ... are you happy with the state of CommonQt? 15:11:26 yes... ish 15:11:44 -!- moto9 [~ml@p3E9E0187.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:12:20 francogrex [franco@162-202-67-158.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 15:12:34 stassats: I'm working with the Qt Jambi folks to separate out their generator and make it support multiple languages better ... and eventually an update to Qt5 generation. (Because I want Dylan bindings and don't much like Smoke) 15:12:49 i hate smoke 15:12:56 Hi, quick question, how to test for an empty vectot similar to (null #()) ? 15:12:56 francogrex, memo from hlavaty: ocilib seems to be a wrapper around oci library so you need something like (cffi:define-foreign-library oracle-oci (:windows (:or "ocixe.dll" "oci.dll")) (t (:default "libclntsh"))) and maybe call cffi:load-foreign-library too with the right search-path 15:13:11 -!- arenz [~arenz@37.17.234.1] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:14:00 francogrex: what makes a vector empty? 15:14:17 hlavaty: thanks. actually it all went well wwhen I compiled an ocilib for windows myself, the ones that are already package for win in sourceforge are rubbish 15:14:26 stassats: is an alternate means of generating bindings interesting to you then? (Should I keep you up to date roughly?) 15:14:48 brucem: i wanted to produce a lisp centered solution 15:14:52 francogrex: ok 15:14:52 stassats: I made it empty 15:15:07 the idea of smoke is alright, but the implementation is just not great 15:15:15 stassats: i'm going to generate a C wrapper effectively .... and then generate C-FFI for that. Should be easy. 15:15:18 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:15:50 ck`` [~ck@dslb-094-219-236-112.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 15:16:42 ffi is not hard, marshalling, efficient method selection, memory management are 15:17:10 stassats: thanks 15:17:27 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 15:17:46 brucem: you can use cffi-grovel wrappers 15:18:11 fe[nl]ix: for C++ and specifically the Qt specific stuff in the headers? 15:18:23 all I can think of is length of zero but that's poor 15:18:24 if it's CL you're referring to 15:19:01 creating subclasses of qt classes is a challenge too 15:19:26 francogrex: poor in what regard? 15:19:43 brucem: what do you mean by Qt specific ? if you need to run moc then it won't work currently 15:20:13 -!- |JRG| [c209f2f0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.194.9.242.240] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:21:29 fe[nl]ix: I meant picking up and differentiating signals / slots. 15:21:29 -!- d2biG is now known as dRbiG 15:21:39 brucem: I'm toying with the idea of writing a libc for linux where the primary API definition is a declarative format from which the .h files are generated 15:22:44 I'll start pushing libfixposix into that direction 15:22:44 you could do something similar 15:24:14 moto9 [~ml@p3E9E3C32.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 15:24:56 jpfuente_ [~jacques@pool-173-53-102-185.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 15:25:04 -!- lupine [~lupine@unaffiliated/lupine-85/x-7392152] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:25:07 urandom__ [~user@ip-88-152-130-121.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #lisp 15:25:40 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@88.243.233.93] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:26:03 -!- jpfuentes2 [~jacques@pool-173-53-102-185.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:26:17 stassats: thanks. the writer-form which is returned by get-setf-expansion is (progn nil (excl::%puthash #:g4285 #:g4286 #:g4287)). Does it make sense to (trace %puthash) ? 15:26:29 there will be a lot of such calls 15:26:48 ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@88.243.233.93] has joined #lisp 15:26:53 lupine [~lupine@unaffiliated/lupine-85/x-7392152] has joined #lisp 15:27:31 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:27:41 or do I have to define a setf-expander which checks for my argument hash-table and e.g. writes out some info? 15:28:19 mgodshall [~mgodshall@8.20.30.249] has joined #lisp 15:28:33 or simply write a wrapper function and trace that 15:29:50 hlavaty: a wrapper function around %puthash? 15:29:59 LiamH [~healy@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #lisp 15:30:39 Around your (setf (gethash ...) ...), I suppose. 15:32:16 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@88.243.233.93] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:37:09 -!- antonv`` [~user@93.171.161.176] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:39:43 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 15:48:09 root_empire [~michael_l@113.139.49.211] has joined #lisp 15:50:07 -!- michael_lee [~michael_l@113.135.104.141] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:50:38 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 15:50:48 -!- sellout- [~Adium@c-67-176-56-71.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:51:14 -!- zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 15:53:53 cmpitg [~cmpitg@1.55.0.159] has joined #lisp 15:53:53 -!- cmpitg [~cmpitg@1.55.0.159] has quit [Changing host] 15:53:53 cmpitg [~cmpitg@unaffiliated/cmpitg] has joined #lisp 15:57:18 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com] 15:57:20 a wrapper around an internal function is a really bad idea 15:58:04 billstclair [~billstcla@p-68-237-141-68.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has joined #lisp 15:58:04 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@p-68-237-141-68.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has quit [Changing host] 15:58:04 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 15:59:47 jpfuentes2 [~jacques@pool-173-53-102-185.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 16:00:44 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Disconnected by services] 16:01:19 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 16:01:25 nugnuts [~nugnuts@pool-74-105-21-221.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 16:02:47 -!- jpfuente_ [~jacques@pool-173-53-102-185.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:03:11 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-80-164.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:04:32 -!- zickzackv [~faot@port-92-198-30-130.static.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:05:25 Nizumzen [~Nizumzen@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #lisp 16:06:15 drmeister [~drmeister@155.247.96.196] has joined #lisp 16:07:18 -!- loke_erc [~user@2400:d803:7342:f91a:e993:ea0:1ba9:fd3a] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:07:21 (setf (gethash ...) ..) is not a function 16:07:51 zolk3ri [~zolk3ri@unaffiliated/zolk3ri] has joined #lisp 16:08:21 -!- iwilcox [~iwilcox@unaffiliated/iwilcox] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:08:30 nisstyre [~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 16:08:35 clhs gethash 16:08:35 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_gethas.htm 16:08:47 it is a form, which he can put in a function and trace that function instead of the internal puthash stuff; as added bonus, it will trace only those places where he puts the wrapper, not all puthashes all over the place 16:09:42 hlavaty: (setf gethash) is required to be a function 16:10:09 beach [~user@ABordeaux-651-1-103-73.w109-214.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 16:10:16 but (setf (gethash ...) ..) is not a function, it expands to stuff 16:10:16 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@155.247.96.196] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:10:22 I think this shows the utility of abstracting the interface to your own data structures. Much easier to trace (setf get-foo) ... 16:10:44 Good evening everyone! 16:10:54 Good evening beach! 16:11:15 splittist___: Why so many underscores in your nick? 16:11:16 beach: evening. How's it going? 16:11:17 -!- francogrex [franco@162-202-67-158.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:11:54 kanru` [~kanru@114-32-24-38.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 16:11:57 beach: good question 16:12:03 hlavaty: you're right 16:12:06 hi beach 16:12:11 ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@78.171.41.243] has joined #lisp 16:12:40 -!- splittist___ is now known as splittist 16:12:59 Much better! :) 16:13:20 I feel like I've had a hair cut (: 16:13:28 Heh! 16:15:03 fe[nl]ix: not sure if you noticed, i fixed the cl-olefs bug, you can pull. it should speak french now (unicode:-) 16:18:10 sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 16:20:40 ok 16:20:56 francogrex [franco@162-202-67-158.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 16:22:06 iwilcox [~iwilcox@unaffiliated/iwilcox] has joined #lisp 16:22:21 -!- root_empire [~michael_l@113.139.49.211] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:22:44 The other day, I was thinking that with the LLVM, it might be possible to add generic functions to C. :) 16:22:54 hlavaty: pushed. you'll have to reset your master branch because my last commit somehow got duplicated 16:26:11 drmeister [~drmeister@155.247.96.196] has joined #lisp 16:27:34 i'll have a look 16:29:28 sellout- [~Adium@c-67-176-62-204.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:32:49 beach: don't get distracted from your existing 147 projects! 16:33:05 Don't worry! I won't. 16:33:47 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-80-164.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 16:35:39 The McCLIM code is in a worse state than I could imagine. This morning, I found a huge chunk of code that should be executed, but the preceding line contained a quote character by itself on a line, so the entire for was quoted. 16:36:23 mwahahaha 16:36:32 Line 972 in sheets.lisp. 16:37:03 I think I will look at the log carefully just to figure out who put it there. 16:38:02 s/entire for/entire form/ 16:38:28 Rather challenges standard notions of robustness and complexity in software, though... 16:38:42 Yeah. 16:38:46 karbak [~kar@198.211.96.131] has joined #lisp 16:41:16 quoting is very robust 16:41:19 innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-50-159-9-43.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:41:21 things don't get evaluated 16:41:23 fiveop [~fiveop@p5DDC458B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 16:41:37 That's probably why it was quoted in the first place I imagine :( 16:41:50 ... which is also why I am not removing the quote quite yet. 16:42:21 *|3b|* supposes that is a nice short way to comment things out :p 16:42:57 Indeed! But not very idiomatic. 16:43:38 -!- francogrex [franco@162-202-67-158.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.1.2 $Revision: 1.796.2.4 $ (IRC client for Emacs)] 16:44:02 Anyway, so I am torn between asking for help to improve McCLIM and not wanting anybody else to come near it. 16:44:41 -!- wchun [~wchun@81-233-226-189-no38.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:44:56 percopal [~percopal@63.65.76.38] has joined #lisp 16:48:34 One thing I considered was to take on an apprentice. But I don't know that there would be any takers. 16:48:59 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p5DD15312.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:51:00 -!- QwertyDragon [~chatzilla@pool-173-76-7-69.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:51:14 hiroakip [~hiroaki@ip-178-202-218-254.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #lisp 16:51:49 genericus [~user@71-9-194-123.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com] has joined #lisp 16:51:52 -!- genericus [~user@71-9-194-123.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com] has left #lisp 16:52:13 genericus [~user@71-9-194-123.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com] has joined #lisp 16:52:55 -!- sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 16:53:10 I think you would have to spell out in more detail what the Master/Apprentice relationship would be. For example, what would count as the masterpiece? (: 16:53:24 normanrichards [~textual@71.20.68.56] has joined #lisp 16:53:25 -!- hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@109.120.3.9] has quit [Quit: hitecnologys] 16:53:38 -!- syrinx [~quassel@unaffiliated/syrinx-/x-4255893] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:54:26 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:55:05 -!- davazp [~user@77.Red-88-23-190.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:55:32 -!- nydel [nydel@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-yihwcpdbzuaiqkre] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:56:11 -!- JuanDaugherty [~Ren@cpe-198-255-198-157.buffalo.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:56:25 splittist: "the masterpiece"? 16:57:36 The piece the Apprentice creates at the end of the apprenticeship to demonstrate to the Guild that he is qualified to become a Master. 16:57:45 I see. 16:58:01 I would have to think about that. :) 16:59:23 -!- segv- [~mb@95-91-242-19-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:00:11 segv- [~mb@95-91-242-19-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 17:00:41 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 17:00:43 Though I think it won't happen. In software I think we are doing it wrong by giving the impression to new graduates that they are ready to create important things from scratch. I think in France the chefs got it right by recognizing that apprentices can only cook after many years of doing minor thing. 17:01:02 *thing. 17:01:05 s 17:02:25 -!- ski [~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 17:03:39 przl [~przlrkt@p5DD15312.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 17:04:26 -!- heddwch [~yoshi@76.8.3.189] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 17:05:48 heddwch [~yoshi@76.8.3.189] has joined #lisp 17:05:50 At least 90% of the people who went to university didn't need to go. I include myself. Apprenticeship make much more sense for most of human 'knowledge' than what the university system has become. 17:06:36 ObLisp: having written Lisp with X, rather than having a piece of paper from institution Y, seems the more valuable credential. 17:07:05 (where X is a person or a group known for good Lisping) 17:07:37 *splittist* will try to unsaddle that hobby horse 17:07:45 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 17:07:45 I agree. Unfortunately, that is not what the industry wants/think it needs. 17:08:19 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:09:23 Industry hopes it won't have to spend the time, money and effort training its own workers, that the poor suffering taxpayer will do so, and that calling something a University will sprinkle magic-clue dust on young people to make them 'productive'. 17:10:24 I am determined to include that in my planned book. 17:10:35 ... about the sorry state of the software industry. 17:12:42 oh this looks like a discussion I could get involved in 17:13:05 stassats might object though. 17:13:22 aftersha_ [~textual@h-238-41.a336.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #lisp 17:13:24 -!- ASau` is now known as ASau 17:13:37 -!- Subfusc [~Subfusc@tjenen.de] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 17:13:47 -!- innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-50-159-9-43.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: innertracks] 17:14:06 Krystof: Would you like to co-author the book? 17:14:07 Subfusc [~Subfusc@tjenen.de] has joined #lisp 17:14:20 now that I don't syndicate everything to advogato probably no-one reads my musings any more 17:14:21 Joreji [~thomas@177-095.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 17:14:25 -!- prxq [~mommer@x2f6d6bf.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:14:32 http://christophe.rhodes.io/notes/blog/posts/2014/career_planning_and_networking/ 17:14:50 -!- Foxboron_ is now known as Foxboron 17:14:57 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-176-239.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 17:16:11 Krystof: it could be because the lines in your blog are too long for those of us running full-screen browsers. 17:17:20 as I said to someone else, I am one web coder short of a website 17:17:49 beach: realistically the answer is no, though thank you for the offer 17:18:37 Krystof: Sure. Just checking. 17:19:32 (I do recommend the /Mission of the University/ book linked from that post, by the way; it does remind you that there's at least a reasonable basis for not caring about the details of what the students are taught :-) 17:20:55 -!- kami [~user@unaffiliated/kami-] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:20:57 -!- varjagg [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:21:03 kami [~user@unaffiliated/kami-] has joined #lisp 17:21:14 -!- nicdev` is now known as nicdev 17:21:17 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.206.246] has joined #lisp 17:22:30 -!- GuilOooo [~GuilOooo@mlir.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:22:37 GuilOooo [~GuilOooo@mlir.info] has joined #lisp 17:22:57 I would not want to miss my university education. Though, I did maths. When deciding what to do, I figured that whatever I wanted to learn about computer science, I could learn myself. 17:23:22 Krystof: I shall order it. Thanks! 17:23:48 +in 17:24:07 "Put the students in charge of the house, and let the student body constitute the body of the institution, complemented by the faculties of professors." 17:24:44 That is actually a terrible idea. 17:25:31 "University, in the strict sense, is to mean that institution which teaches the ordinary student to be a cultured person and a good member of a profession, It will consequently avoid causing the ordinary student to waste part of his time in pretending that he is going to be a scientist. To this end, scientific investigation proper is to be eliminated from 17:25:31 the core or minimum of the university." 17:25:52 -!- aftersha_ [~textual@h-238-41.a336.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 17:27:07 ski [~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se] has joined #lisp 17:27:08 IMO, university is unrelated to profession. It's ideally about self-betterment, and beyond-industry research. 17:27:14 splittist: where does that come from ? 17:27:46 The Mission of the University, Jose Ortega y Gasset 17:29:04 The notion that university is required job training for broad swaths of the employment sector is one of the root problems. 17:29:18 JuanDaugherty [~Ren@cpe-198-255-198-157.buffalo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 17:30:43 CrazyEddy [~hatless@123.100.34.173] has joined #lisp 17:34:01 -!- amaron [~amaron@net121-78-245-109.mbb.telenor.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:34:09 -!- jpfuentes2 [~jacques@pool-173-53-102-185.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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host closed the connection] 20:25:25 febeling [~febeling@77.87.49.16] has joined #lisp 20:26:25 slyrus [~chatzilla@107.201.5.56] has joined #lisp 20:31:07 -!- sheilong [~sabayonus@unaffiliated/sheilong] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 20:31:30 -!- iwilcox [~iwilcox@unaffiliated/iwilcox] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:32:11 alexherbo2 [~alexherbo@APlessis-Bouchard-154-1-57-239.w90-3.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 20:33:36 iwilcox [~iwilcox@unaffiliated/iwilcox] has joined #lisp 20:33:51 Is there a mapcar like function that lets me map over the cdrs of a list starting with the full list? (I'd use do otherwise) 20:34:50 maplist 20:34:56 clhs maplist 20:34:56 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_mapc_.htm 20:35:49 nipra [~nipra@122.177.4.127] has joined #lisp 20:36:06 thank you 20:42:04 fiveop: there is also (loop :for (car . cdr) :on list ...) ... for some reason I would use loop over maplist ... I suppose I only use maplist when I need the "=> result-list" 20:42:40 jack_rabbit [~jack_rabb@c-50-148-124-212.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:43:05 -!- zajn [~zajn@108.205.50.54] has quit [Quit: zajn] 20:45:10 sellout- [~Adium@2601:1:9b80:128:681c:1cf4:f572:9108] has joined #lisp 20:45:21 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:45:22 <|3b|> just (loop for cdr on list ...) if you want to start with full list 20:45:41 honestly I often use loop and collect even then since it's so much easier to remember the loop keywords than map mapc mapcar mapcan maplist mapl ... 20:47:59 kami` [~user@unaffiliated/kami-] has joined #lisp 20:49:50 drewc: I want the result list 20:50:42 I'm trying to write something that maps over all unordered pairs of elements of a list. 20:50:45 drewc: If you don't want it to collect results, there's mapl. 20:51:11 -!- hiroakip [~hiroaki@ip-178-202-218-254.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:51:20 http://paste.lisp.org/display/141240 20:51:22 jasom: I generally do the same thing, save for when I have a #' that can go in map[*]. 20:51:31 It works. But I'm sure it can be done better 20:51:35 -!- kami [~user@unaffiliated/kami-] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:51:47 -!- Denommus [~user@unaffiliated/denommus] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:52:01 Denommus [~user@unaffiliated/denommus] has joined #lisp 20:52:44 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:52:45 (ignore the print ;)) 20:54:13 BlackWabi [~wabi@194.47.219.86] has joined #lisp 20:55:02 -!- andreh [~andreh@189.27.30.189.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:55:15 fiveop: 1) The arguments are in the wrong order ... look at clhs versions of map[*] ... you are mapping a function over a list, not a list over a function, so make it clear and common. 20:56:26 http://paste.lisp.org/display/141240#1 loop version 20:56:40 I switched the argument order 20:56:40 hellome [~lua@192.73.239.25] has joined #lisp 20:59:36 fiveop: 2) loop has destructuring, and the fact that you never use list1 directly means that (loop :for (car . cdr) on list makes a lot more sense and is 'literate' 21:00:41 fiveop: that naming convention is not so great .. LIST1 ? VAR2? do you not know what they are?? 21:00:55 -!- Ayey_ [~rune1@2-106-141-211-dynamic.dk.customer.tdc.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 21:02:16 fiveop: the entire (loop ... append) ... does that need to be there? why not (apply #'append (maplist ...)) or even (mapcon ... ...) ? 21:04:38 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:04:39 Mostly, because I lack the experience. Everything you say makes a lot of sense. 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