00:00:02 andreh_: Not yet. I'm going to get garbage collection working and then release it. 00:00:05 drmeister: That is very cool, sir. 00:01:10 -!- ASau [~user@p54AFE827.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:02:54 And it's logo will be two mickey hands clasping one against the other :-) 00:03:28 -!- andreh_ [~andreh@177.133.24.51.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 00:03:43 http://www.wfmu.org/Gfx/user_images/HandClapAnimation_3913961884491168.gif 00:03:53 andreh [~andreh@177.133.24.51.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #lisp 00:06:42 -!- karswell [~user@84.93.180.60] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:07:36 Ok, so there is nothing in the Lisp concept space that's called "Clasp" - great! I found an old language from the 60's and a few other things called "Clasp" but I think I'm in the clear with this one. 00:09:44 There's clash, CLisp As SHell 00:09:59 Watcher7 [~w@108.216.22.50] has joined #lisp 00:10:30 -!- Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:11:08 ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@78.171.41.243] has joined #lisp 00:14:17 That's far enough away in pronunciation space that I'm comfortable. 00:14:21 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@78.171.41.243] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 00:14:48 ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@78.171.41.243] has joined #lisp 00:14:48 Ethan- [~Ethan-@60-248-176-37.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 00:15:21 ltbarcly [~textual@pool-108-42-99-156.snfcca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 00:15:49 -!- andreh [~andreh@177.133.24.51.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:16:23 -!- stepnem [~stepnem@77.78.117.8] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:17:24 jaccas [~pjfcl@3.182.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] 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http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ex-Rare-Texas-Instruments-TI-Explorer-II-LISP-Machine-Board-set-/251446236561?&_trksid=p2056016.l4276 02:25:07 A grand and a half for an Explorer II board set. 02:25:16 OMfsckingG! 02:25:43 That is beautiful.. 02:26:23 What would you do with it? 02:27:16 *drewc* needs to redo the under-foredeck on his boat ... it would look nice! 02:28:39 ... If I had it? I'd probably dump the ROMs and then try to write a microload to try and dump the 256-word ROM on the CPU that contains the startup code. 02:29:16 *drewc* changes his mind ... 02:29:26 If i had it i would give it to nyef 02:29:29 Heh! 02:30:23 The second image is clearly the CPU board. 02:30:49 I'm not sure what the fourth image is... 02:31:51 Or the fifth or sixth... 02:32:35 The seventh is obviously the NuPI (hard drive interface), as it has clearly indicated NUPI FAULT and SCSI FAULT LEDs, and a 68k. 02:33:06 The eighth is probably a memory board... 02:33:18 And the ninth is clearly the backplane. 02:33:47 -!- dim [~dim@prometheus.naquadah.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:33:56 -!- antonv [~user@93.171.161.176] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:34:30 zophy_ [~venom@host-94-20-107-208.midco.net] has joined #lisp 02:34:40 Four and five don't have clearly visible part numbers, but the rest do, so we could look those up. 02:34:46 -!- p_nathan [~Adium@174-21-165-174.tukw.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:35:08 p_nathan [~Adium@174-21-165-174.tukw.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 02:35:14 Okay, the CPU board doesn't either, but we know which that one is. 02:35:53 dim [~dim@prometheus.naquadah.org] has joined #lisp 02:37:02 sohail_ [~sohail@75.119.248.79] has joined #lisp 02:38:28 -!- jchelary [~jchelary@pl603.nas982.takamatsu.nttpc.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:38:29 Looking at the overall images, there's two boards that match image eight, so that's almost certainly the RAM board. 02:38:45 jchelary [~jchelary@pl603.nas982.takamatsu.nttpc.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 02:39:17 nyef: that's the price, for rare hardware. 02:39:44 Three boards I can't identify by sight, one of which is almost certainly the SIB. 02:40:46 cmpitg [~cmpitg@1.55.0.159] has joined #lisp 02:40:46 -!- cmpitg [~cmpitg@1.55.0.159] has quit [Changing host] 02:40:46 cmpitg [~cmpitg@unaffiliated/cmpitg] has joined #lisp 02:41:33 -!- quazimodo [~quazimodo@d110-33-232-150.bla801.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:41:34 ... And Nevermore only covered the Raven CPU (two boards), a memory board, the SIB and the NuPI. 02:42:23 (And, at that, didn't emulate the actual NuPI code, it faked that up at the NuBus interface instead of including a 68k simulator.) 02:43:04 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@pool-108-42-99-156.snfcca.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 02:43:10 Wow. It's been more than a decade. 02:43:14 Hey, so I put together a 30 min video that demos my Common Lisp system and C++ refactoring tool. It's still processing the video - it will be about 20 minutes until it goes live. 02:43:26 wicked 02:43:30 -!- ari__ [~ari@fs5.wan.abq.citylinkwireless.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:43:50 It will be up on Youtube and you folks can be the first to see it. http://youtu.be/h31pURzgYX8 02:44:06 *drmeister* thinks his voice sounds funny on video 02:45:09 prxq_ [~mommer@x2f68de6.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #lisp 02:45:36 -!- jchelary [~jchelary@pl603.nas982.takamatsu.nttpc.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 02:45:36 -!- jchelary_ [~jchelary@pl603.nas982.takamatsu.nttpc.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 02:46:26 -!- dim [~dim@prometheus.naquadah.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:48:13 Umm... How do I flag this video so that I can watch it later from another device? 02:48:31 -!- prxq [~mommer@x2f6c049.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:48:47 nyef: No freakin' idea - I'm being tutored by my 9-year old. 02:48:49 Actually, nevermind, I'll just subscribe. That'll do the trick. 02:49:29 And I should be able to watch it in another... three days, when I get back to where I left my youtube-watching machine. 02:52:24 dim [~dim@prometheus.naquadah.org] has joined #lisp 02:52:47 -!- ryankarason is now known as rk[tacos] 02:55:47 kanru` [~kanru@114-32-24-38.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 02:58:12 -!- Patzy [~something@lns-bzn-51f-81-56-151-137.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:58:36 beeberino [~picqua@107-214-93-11.lightspeed.chtnsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 02:59:03 -!- MrWoohoo [~MrWoohoo@pool-74-100-140-127.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 02:59:44 m1ngus [~jan-magnu@62-212-15.connect.netcom.no] has joined #lisp 03:01:07 -!- ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:01:25 -!- m1ngus [~jan-magnu@62-212-15.connect.netcom.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:02:21 -!- ZombieChicken 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How has it been for you? 05:23:56 zRecursive [~czsq888@183.12.93.94] has joined #lisp 05:27:39 -!- arigoins [~ari@97-123-21-237.albq.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:32:21 -!- jchelary [~jchelary@pl603.nas982.takamatsu.nttpc.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 05:32:22 -!- jchelary_ [~jchelary@pl603.nas982.takamatsu.nttpc.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 05:32:30 -!- innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-50-159-9-43.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:33:45 jchelary_ [~jchelary@pl603.nas982.takamatsu.nttpc.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 05:33:46 jchelary [~jchelary@pl603.nas982.takamatsu.nttpc.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 05:34:23 innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-50-159-9-43.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 05:34:34 reeed [~reeed@182.55.78.107] has joined #lisp 05:35:48 -!- reeed [~reeed@182.55.78.107] has left #lisp 05:37:32 -!- bjz [~bjz@125.253.99.68] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:38:06 bjz [~bjz@125.253.99.68] has joined #lisp 05:39:28 -!- ASau` is now known as ASau 05:42:58 beach` [~user@ABordeaux-651-1-23-138.w109-223.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 05:44:26 -!- beach [~user@ABordeaux-651-1-212-69.w90-45.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:45:44 zajn [~zajn@108.205.50.54] has joined #lisp 05:47:14 Bike [~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu] has joined #lisp 05:53:30 -!- beach` is now known as beach 05:53:51 -!- alezost [~user@128-70-201-173.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 05:54:30 -!- diadara_ [~diadara@115.249.18.25] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:54:54 diadara_ [~diadara@115.249.18.25] has joined #lisp 05:59:47 alezost [~user@128-70-201-173.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 06:01:19 -!- zophy_ [~venom@host-94-20-107-208.midco.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:02:44 Is there any way to run custom code when instance is being removed by GC? 06:03:55 yeah, look up finalizers. 06:04:16 m1ngus [~jan-magnu@62-212-15.connect.netcom.no] has joined #lisp 06:04:40 I can't seem to find such thing in CLHS. Is this implementation specific? 06:05:23 <|3b|> CLHS doesn't even require GC, so something that happens at GC time is out of scope for the spec :) 06:05:35 Ah, I see. 06:05:45 <|3b|> trivial-garbage is a portability lib that includes that sort of thing 06:06:29 -!- enupten [~neptune@gateway/tor-sasl/enupten] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:06:40 <|3b|> but note that a particular instance may never actually be collected by the GC, even if it is unreachable, so you can't rely on it 06:07:03 How do I force deletion of object then? Is this even possible? 06:07:59 -!- innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-50-159-9-43.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:08:34 You can apply the finalization code directly to the object. 06:09:00 <|3b|> you manage whatever non-lisp-memory resource you are worried about by hand :/ 06:09:04 (It's easy to get it wrong, though.) 06:09:20 -!- davazp [~user@221.Red-79-153-99.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:09:23 <|3b|> with-open-file is an example of a common pattern for that sort of thing 06:09:39 -!- m1ngus [~jan-magnu@62-212-15.connect.netcom.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:09:43 hitecnologys: if you elaborate a bit on what you're doing that might help. 06:09:47 -!- klltkr_ [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz] 06:09:49 If your resource lifetime can be described by stack manipulation, you can use a macro around unwind-protect to package things up nicely. 06:10:02 -!- p_nathan [~Adium@174-21-165-174.tukw.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:10:10 But doing the same for arbitrary object graphs of indeterminate lifetime is kinda tough. 06:10:11 Bike: I'm just being curious a bit. 06:11:08 -!- meiji11` [~user@75.158.41.148] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:11:54 And well, I need socket to be automatically closed once instance of object that represents connection is removed. 06:12:06 vkrest_ [~vkrest@173.252.71.189] has joined #lisp 06:12:36 probably you'll have a 'disconnect' function that you call, rather than just letting the connection object hang around forever when you're done with it 06:12:48 Yeah, that's what I do now. 06:13:19 I was just wondering if there's a way to make sure connection is closed if I somehow didn't close it. 06:13:36 Hooking GC sounded like a good idea of doing so. 06:13:45 Fare [~fare@cpe-72-229-109-116.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 06:13:51 <|3b|> finalizers could make it more likely, but still not "sure" 06:14:06 the gc only handles memory, see, it doesn't know that you're running out of sockets if you're throwing unclosed connections around 06:14:19 It does seem like you want unwind-protect 06:14:20 <|3b|> and wouldn't guarantee it happened before you ran out of FDs at the os level or something 06:14:35 ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@78.171.41.243] has joined #lisp 06:14:41 I see. 06:14:54 you could have a hundred connection objects you forgot to close, taking up all your sockets, but they'd only be a few kb of memory so maybe the gc doesn't bother, so finalization isn't too helpful. 06:15:06 <|3b|> for example if you aren't allocating much ram in lisp, it might go indefinitely without even running the GC 06:15:41 I'll just stick to UNWIND-PROTECT and HANDLER-* then. 06:15:44 It'd be nice if finite-pool resources provided a hook that ran when the pool is exhausted. 06:15:57 <|3b|> or the socket object might be in a later generation that doesn't get collected often, or bad luck with a conservative gc might keep it alive, or you might have references to it you forgot about 06:16:02 Then you could rely on the GC to run upon exhaustion. 06:16:14 i've heard linux has a fwe garbage collectors (not just refcounts, even) for a few resources like that 06:16:32 As in the kernel? 06:16:35 yeah. 06:16:38 Doesn't iolib have mechanism to prevent such thing from happening? 06:16:41 Hmm. 06:17:02 Yes, linux has such thing if you enable it in .config. 06:17:43 (at least as far as I remember) 06:19:14 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@78.171.41.243] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:19:36 innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-50-159-9-43.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 06:20:31 -!- prim [~user@unaffiliated/prim] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 06:20:44 -!- innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-50-159-9-43.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 06:24:16 -!- jchelary [~jchelary@pl603.nas982.takamatsu.nttpc.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 06:24:16 -!- jchelary_ [~jchelary@pl603.nas982.takamatsu.nttpc.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 06:26:49 https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/v3.12/net/unix/garbage.c here we go. 06:30:57 Pretty straightforward. 06:31:44 -!- bugrum [~bugrum@c-98-242-68-154.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [] 06:33:27 r0b [~robert@subtle/contributor/robgleeson] has joined #lisp 06:33:40 -!- r0b is now known as rob1 06:33:44 -!- rob1 is now known as r0b1 06:34:07 -!- r0b1 [~robert@subtle/contributor/robgleeson] has quit [Client Quit] 06:34:24 r0b1 [~robert@subtle/contributor/robgleeson] has joined #lisp 06:38:04 -!- arubin [~textual@99-114-192-172.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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At the same time, the behavior of SBCL is disappointing. 07:09:06 Petit_Dejeuner_ [~saefa@c-174-48-40-89.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 07:09:40 <|3b|> is sbcl debugger broken or slime debugger or both? 07:10:05 -!- jaimef [jaimef@dns.mauthesis.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:11:15 -!- samebchase [~samuel@codesurfers.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:11:17 -!- staykov [~wiggin@pdpc/supporter/active/staykov] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:11:17 -!- nialo` [~bcoburn@bcoburn.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:12:03 samebchase [~samuel@codesurfers.net] has joined #lisp 07:12:13 jaimef [jaimef@dns.mauthesis.com] has joined #lisp 07:12:17 staykov [~wiggin@cable.xen.prgmr.com] has joined #lisp 07:13:17 <|3b|> if still in sbcl debugger, maybe try a *debugger-hook* that wraps in with-standard-io-syntax and rebinds *error-output*, *terminal-io* to original values? 07:13:34 <|3b|> (possibly other streams, don't remember exactly which ones it uses) 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So much to do! So little time! 10:42:40 -!- zajn [~zajn@108.205.50.54] has left #lisp 10:42:41 -!- bjz [~bjz@125.253.99.68] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:43:03 -!- heddwch [~yoshi@76.8.3.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:45:00 -!- aftersha_ [~textual@h-238-41.a336.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 10:45:42 Sailor5420qq [~sailfish@p57925669.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 10:48:08 alama [~jessealam@178-191-169-108.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #lisp 10:48:49 -!- cmpitg [~cmpitg@unaffiliated/cmpitg] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:48:55 ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has joined #lisp 10:55:06 -!- Sailor5420qq [~sailfish@p57925669.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:57:07 naisy [~naisy@i125-205-220-173.s41.a034.ap.plala.or.jp] has joined #lisp 10:58:59 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:59:05 hello 10:59:36 Hello naisy. 11:00:06 Hello beach. 11:00:33 naisy: I don't recognize your nick. Are you new here? 11:01:04 -!- lyanchih_ [~lyanchih@220-134-193-4.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: lyanchih_] 11:01:06 Yes. I came here first time now. 11:01:28 OK, welcome, then! 11:03:53 lyanchih_ [~lyanchih@220-134-193-4.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 11:04:00 thnks 11:04:39 -!- killmaster [~killmaste@bl20-25-172.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:05:53 anything abount lisp is talked here? 11:06:03 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-71-175-2-214.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 11:06:05 Common Lisp mostly. 11:06:26 oh, I see 11:07:50 Well, sometimes people discuss different dialects and stuff but it's, technically, off-topic. 11:08:45 I see. and "SBCL" is displayed as topic. almost of you use it? 11:09:24 That is probably the most common implementation used by people here, yes. 11:10:11 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-71-175-2-214.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:11:05 naisy: there's #lispcafe if you want to talk about something not related to Lisps. 11:14:50 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@140.142.25.93.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:15:43 -!- naisy [~naisy@i125-205-220-173.s41.a034.ap.plala.or.jp] has left #lisp 11:15:43 -!- m1ngus [~jan-magnu@62-212-15.connect.netcom.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:18:18 -!- sdemarre [~serge@25.65-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:19:40 Does Clozure CL's save-application force the running application to close, the way SBCL's equivalent function does? The docs don't say it does, as far as I can tell 11:19:49 KaiQ [~localhost@p5DD9C526.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 11:24:00 -!- Krystof [~user@81.174.155.115] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:24:16 hiroakip [~hiroaki@77-20-51-63-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 11:26:35 -!- ThePhoeron [~user@206.191.69.65] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:26:48 ThePhoeron [~user@206.191.69.65] has joined #lisp 11:26:57 -!- gigetoo [~gigetoo@c83-250-61-4.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:27:35 gigetoo [~gigetoo@c83-250-61-4.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 11:29:46 -!- calpo [~calpo@14.139.221.18] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:34:43 -!- cdidd [~cdidd@128-75-227-67.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:44:48 ck`` [~ck@dslb-094-219-236-112.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 11:45:23 Krystof [~user@81.174.155.115] has joined #lisp 11:47:43 Is there a way to create stream out of vector? (like what WITH-INPUT-FROM-STRING does with strings) 11:48:07 Nizumzen [~Nizumzen@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #lisp 11:49:41 nichtdiebohne [~nichtdieb@kons-4d03fd7f.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 11:52:07 -!- bjz_ [~bjz@125.253.99.68] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:52:36 bjz [~bjz@125.253.99.68] has joined #lisp 11:52:40 -!- atgreen [~green@dsl-207-112-126-211.tor.primus.ca] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:56:30 cdidd [~cdidd@128-75-232-241.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 12:08:28 -!- malapart1 is now known as malaparte 12:15:07 zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 12:15:17 m1ngus [~jan-magnu@62-212-15.connect.netcom.no] has joined #lisp 12:18:53 -!- m1ngus [~jan-magnu@62-212-15.connect.netcom.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:20:53 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@78.171.41.243] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:21:02 -!- ehaliewicz [~user@50-0-51-28.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:24:34 -!- hiroakip [~hiroaki@77-20-51-63-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:25:30 calpo [~calpo@14.139.221.18] has joined #lisp 12:26:52 ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@78.171.41.243] has joined #lisp 12:27:29 hitecnologys: I think there's nothing in CL, but there's flexi-streams 12:27:47 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@78.171.41.243] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:28:19 antonv [~user@93.171.161.176] has joined #lisp 12:28:32 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-157-98.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:28:43 -!- antonv is now known as Guest12584 12:32:58 Joreji [~thomas@136-135.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 12:33:59 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:34:06 yacks [~py@103.6.159.103] has joined #lisp 12:34:14 ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@78.171.41.243] has joined #lisp 12:34:18 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@78.171.41.243] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:34:53 ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@li350-154.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 12:37:46 ustunozg_ [~ustunozgu@78.171.41.243] has joined #lisp 12:39:37 attila_lendvai: OK, I'll look into that. 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slime loads its contribs? 16:18:13 pierre1__ [~pierre1@179.218.154.208] has joined #lisp 16:20:07 m1ngus [~jan-magnu@62-212-15.connect.netcom.no] has joined #lisp 16:20:57 -!- Natch [~Natch@c-88cde155.25-4-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:21:35 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:21:44 Natch [~Natch@c-88cde155.25-4-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 16:22:58 -!- hitecnologys_ [~hitecnolo@46.233.212.127] has quit [Quit: hitecnologys_] 16:23:11 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 16:23:39 Fare: slime-setup-contribs in slime.el doesn't seem mysterious to me but then you probably already saw that? 16:24:14 lyanchih_ [~lyanchih@220-134-193-4.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 16:25:42 Fare: the CL side ? 16:26:17 fe[nl]ix, not sure. 16:26:45 It appears that swank-side contribs are loaded properly, but emacs-lisp side contribs aren't. 16:26:54 the CL side funcalls swank::*find-module* 16:27:32 you must add both slime/ and slime/contrib/ to the load path 16:27:59 gravicappa [~gravicapp@h178-129-106-22.dyn.bashtel.ru] has joined #lisp 16:28:13 Or maybe rather, it seems that the CL side is loading the default list of contribs, but the el side is loading the one specified by slime-setup 16:31:04 Fare: i had a problem with loading slime-fancy and it disappeared when i deleted *.elc in togeter with slime-fancy.elc 16:32:55 -!- zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:34:08 Mandus [~aasmundo@ii181070.directconnect.no] has joined #lisp 16:34:25 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:34:45 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:37:13 drmeister: I've just seen your video and I liked it a lot. 16:38:01 nugnuts 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And the request to assure they are loaded is done each time by slime-load-contribs. The swank code won't reload anything, so issues can arise if the current verison is better than the one loaded in the past. 16:51:34 -!- pjb` is now known as pjb 16:52:59 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:53:27 pranavrc [~pranavrc@unaffiliated/pranavrc] has joined #lisp 16:58:31 -!- lyanchih_ [~lyanchih@220-134-193-4.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:59:01 -!- hiroakip [~hiroaki@77-20-51-63-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:02:00 andreh [~andreh@177.133.24.51.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #lisp 17:04:00 Joreji [~thomas@136-135.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 17:04:54 jaccas [~pjfcl@3.182.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lisp 17:06:06 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 17:06:16 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-67-189-17-39.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:09:59 -!- dmiles [~dmiles@c-67-189-17-39.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:12:05 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:12:12 drmeister, so your lisp is called brcl -- what does that stand for? 17:13:36 drmeister, please increase microphone sensitivity 17:14:15 sohail_ [~sohail@75-119-248-79.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 17:14:35 Fare: it did stand for BRidge Common Lisp. The release name will be "Clasp" Common Lisp And Static Programming 17:15:07 -!- karswell [~user@84.93.180.60] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:15:50 karswell [~user@84.93.180.60] has joined #lisp 17:16:04 Re: microphone - yeah - that was the first youtube video I ever made - I can't do anything post-hoc can I? I used the built-in microphone in my MacBook Pro. The whole effort was a throw-away to test the entire youtube video toolchain. It worked well enough that I kept it up. 17:16:58 I used Quicktime - does anyone have recommendations on microphones? 17:17:09 -!- innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-50-159-9-43.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:17:18 I know this isn't quite the forum to ask something like that. 17:17:20 post-hoc, you can post-process to increase the volume. Quality won't be improved, but at least I won't have to jack my volume way up 17:17:58 I'll see what tools Youtube has and then Quicktime. 17:18:12 no recommendations here. I'm told my setup sucks when using skype or hangout, though my youtube recordings themselves went alright. 17:18:28 innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-50-159-9-43.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:18:31 -!- andreh [~andreh@177.133.24.51.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:18:41 on LIL and ASDF3 17:18:48 What microphone do you use for Youtube recordings? 17:19:14 I'll use google to look into that. 17:19:14 the one builtin my work's lenovo thinkpad x230. 17:19:23 Davidbrcz [~david@140.142.25.93.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 17:19:24 -!- klltkr_ [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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Are they M-expressions? Wikipedia says M-expressions are like: name[arg1 ; arg2 ; arg3 ] but if you use parentheses and commas instead of braces and semi-colons - C-style functions are still M-expressions right? 18:07:04 -!- m1ngus [~jan-magnu@62-212-15.connect.netcom.no] has left #lisp 18:07:05 -!- ustunozg_ [~ustunozgu@78.171.41.243] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:07:11 sohail_ [~sohail@75-119-248-79.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 18:08:23 -!- nichtdiebohne [~nichtdieb@kons-4d03f392.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com] 18:08:41 nichtdiebohne [~nichtdieb@kons-4d03f392.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 18:09:08 Alfr [~Unknown@g225176192.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 18:09:59 C doesn't have a uniform syntax like that at all. 18:11:23 If you meant function calls specifically, I guess you'd call it "C-like" syntax. :/ 18:11:53 -!- arubin [~textual@99-114-192-172.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz] 18:13:53 zajn [~zajn@108.205.50.54] has joined #lisp 18:15:24 -!- logand` [~user@g226038224.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:15:30 -!- jaccas [~pjfcl@3.182.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:15:49 -!- aftersha_ [~textual@h-238-41.a336.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 18:16:23 Watcher7 [~w@108.216.22.50] has joined #lisp 18:16:32 logand` [~user@g226038224.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 18:16:45 -!- antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:16:51 -!- andreh [~andreh@177.133.24.51.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:18:07 I'm just referring to C functions. I'm not sure what you mean that they don't follow a uniform syntax: sin(3.4) foo(bar(1,2,3),4) that's what I'm referring to. 18:20:14 -!- davazp [~user@92.Red-83-34-121.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:20:43 drmeister: you still have the difference between ( and { 18:21:31 Various expressions don't look like that, though: 1 + 2, sizeof foo, { x, y, z }, etc 18:21:53 -!- logand` [~user@g226038224.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:22:39 drmeister: you could call it mathematical style. I don't know of a common term other than "C-style" for those syntax elements that are commonly copied from C 18:22:55 Oh yeah - but I'm just focussing on the function call syntax. 18:22:55 -!- KDr2 [~KDr2@222.91.182.215] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:22:56 but the functions in particular are written as they are in standard mathematics notation 18:23:05 arubin [~textual@99-114-192-172.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 18:23:21 -!- nichtdiebohne [~nichtdieb@kons-4d03f392.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com] 18:23:32 Right. I can't remember any particular name for that style. 18:24:48 Acherontius [~user@107-214-93-11.lightspeed.chtnsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 18:26:44 logand` [~user@g226038224.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 18:27:17 calpo [~calpo@111.93.204.250] has joined #lisp 18:27:56 -!- rk[tacos] is now known as ryankarason 18:29:01 -!- rszeno [~rszeno@79.114.81.40] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:32:40 Ok - I'll just say "C-style" and everyone will know what I'm talking about. I raise the point because I'm anticipating having to defend S-expressions vs C-style expressions. 18:33:14 andreh [~andreh@177.133.24.51.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #lisp 18:33:31 -!- ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:33:49 nyef: I'm using avconv 18:34:11 -!- sohail_ [~sohail@75-119-248-79.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 18:34:29 the fork of ffmpeg used on ubuntu 18:34:39 gabnet [~gabnet@ACaen-652-1-365-225.w81-48.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 18:35:26 ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has joined #lisp 18:40:05 -!- ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:40:56 ndrei [~avo@83.142.149.227] has joined #lisp 18:41:12 vibs [~zorro@host86-130-161-248.range86-130.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 18:42:58 KDr2 [~KDr2@222.91.106.37] has joined #lisp 18:45:11 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:48:15 I've used metapeg in that past (actually my own fork) but I see it's not in quicklisp. I see that cl-peg is in quicklisp, but I recall that it was a pain, and it looks like it's rarely used http://j.mp/1iMtAkG  so any suggestions on what my best option for a parsing that's in quicklisp might be? 18:48:51 -!- zygentoma [~kvirc@dslc-082-083-019-145.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.1.3 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 18:52:16 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 18:52:58 -!- nugnuts [~nugnuts@pool-74-105-21-221.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:54:01 nugnuts [~nugnuts@pool-74-105-21-221.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 18:55:12 <_death> bhyde: maybe esrap 18:55:41 <_death> I sometimes use the yacc system 18:55:51 yeah, I think i got confused cl-peg isn't in quicklisp .. i'll look at esrap-peg et. al. 18:56:23 brandonz [~brandon@c-50-131-126-204.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:56:37 -!- kirin` [telex@gateway/shell/anapnea.net/x-kmcgfetwemibtzxw] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:57:15 ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@78.171.41.243] has joined #lisp 18:57:19 sheilong [~sabayonus@unaffiliated/sheilong] has joined #lisp 18:57:48 kirin` [telex@gateway/shell/anapnea.net/x-oczxqaulsiiwaxce] has joined #lisp 18:59:07 -!- hiroakip [~hiroaki@p5DC62CFA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:59:22 -!- andreh [~andreh@177.133.24.51.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:00:36 KarlDscc [~localhost@p5DD9E251.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 19:00:36 andreh [~andreh@177.133.24.51.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #lisp 19:01:14 drmeister: I've typically heard it called "algol-like" languages, but I am not sure that would help you, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ALGOL 19:04:02 bhyde: the link seems broken - github says "we couldn't find ..." 19:04:10 -!- ryankarason is now known as rk[fishing] 19:04:16 what do you want to parse? 19:04:22 -!- KaiQ [~localhost@p5DD9C526.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:04:30 -!- ck`` [~ck@dslb-094-219-236-112.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:05:38 is cgi-lisp (http://www.cliki.net/cgi-lisp) good? Does anyone here have experience with it? 19:05:41 flip214: that was the point, nobody is using cl-peg; but then it later it turned out that i'm an idiot and I should have been looking at esrap 19:09:21 Indecipherable [~Indy@ti-228-30-124.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 19:12:05 -!- andreh [~andreh@177.133.24.51.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:13:11 -!- brandonz [~brandon@c-50-131-126-204.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:14:19 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:14:24 -!- Nizumzen [~Nizumzen@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 19:14:39 -!- codeburg [~codeburg@gateway/tor-sasl/codeburg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:15:18 -!- vibs [~zorro@host86-130-161-248.range86-130.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 19:16:35 -!- beach [~user@ABordeaux-651-1-23-138.w109-223.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #lisp 19:17:32 -!- Alfr [~Unknown@g225176192.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:17:44 MmeRobert [~cedric@ALille-257-1-138-126.w86-208.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 19:18:41 bhyde: there's also https://github.com/guitarvydas/paraphrase 19:18:57 Alfr [~Unknown@g225176192.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 19:20:07 -!- gabnet [~gabnet@ACaen-652-1-365-225.w81-48.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:20:24 amaron [~amaron@cable-178-148-241-98.dynamic.sbb.rs] has joined #lisp 19:21:22 fe[nl]ix: fun, but I want something that's in quicklisp  so it looks like esrap is my friend 19:21:28 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 19:24:13 why want something that's in quicklisp ? 19:24:20 -!- yacks [~py@103.6.159.103] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:28:28 fe[nl]ix: so as to leave open the option of contributing the result back into quicklisp 19:28:46 if a dependency is not in quicklisp you can add it 19:28:54 it's easy 19:29:09 but you shouldn't avoid libraries just because they're not in quicklisp yet 19:29:47 -!- cdidd [~cdidd@128-75-232-241.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:29:55 not sure I can fill in the details of "it's easy", for example say I used paraphrase  it doesn't even have an asd file :) 19:30:18 that's a matter of 1 minute 19:31:38 fe[nl]ix: so your definition of easy includes that I adopt all the none quicklisp libraries I might use and then prep them for contribution into quicklisp and the contribute them? 19:32:37 -!- ggole [~ggole@220-253-154-177.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [] 19:33:37 ehaliewicz [~user@50-0-51-28.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 19:34:04 just ignore whether or not a library is in quicklisp, send the author a message asking to prepare the library for inclusion, and only worry about forking if you don't get a reply 19:34:26 using a bad library will waste a lot more of your time than creating a .asd file 19:35:11 andreh [~andreh@189.27.23.92.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #lisp 19:36:19 :) 19:38:20 nug700 [~nug700@184-98-219-15.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 19:46:12 Tyler [~sabayonus@unaffiliated/sheilong] has joined #lisp 19:46:12 -!- Tyler [~sabayonus@unaffiliated/sheilong] has quit [Client Quit] 19:46:45 -!- sheilong [~sabayonus@unaffiliated/sheilong] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:49:03 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-87-79-198-96.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:49:44 -!- andreh [~andreh@189.27.23.92.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:50:49 oleo [~oleo@xdsl-84-44-179-100.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 19:52:54 -!- ehaliewicz [~user@50-0-51-28.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:53:10 -!- nugnuts [~nugnuts@pool-74-105-21-221.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:59:02 -!- EvW [~Thunderbi@2001:981:5f09:1:6cb1:4e2d:2c78:6ff0] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:59:45 exit 19:59:46 -!- Pinkyman [~harryw@87.117.251.51] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:00:55 -!- loke_ [~elias@2400:d803:7342:f91a:3c40:5408:41c5:a3c0] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:02:27 -!- Indecipherable [~Indy@ti-228-30-124.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:06:11 cdidd [~cdidd@128-75-246-126.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 20:07:43 EvW [~Thunderbi@2001:981:5f09:1:6cb1:4e2d:2c78:6ff0] has joined #lisp 20:09:40 thepreacher [~thepreach@87.112.50.91] has joined #lisp 20:10:43 -!- SHODAN [~shozan@fsf/member/shodan] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:13:25 vibs [~zorro@94.116.181.149] has joined #lisp 20:14:31 -!- vibs is now known as vibs29 20:14:46 SHODAN [~shozan@c-33b1e253.011-86-73746f30.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 20:14:51 -!- SHODAN [~shozan@c-33b1e253.011-86-73746f30.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Changing host] 20:14:51 SHODAN [~shozan@fsf/member/shodan] has joined #lisp 20:15:29 -!- calpo [~calpo@111.93.204.250] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:16:33 sdemarre [~serge@216.64-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #lisp 20:17:42 I believe I fixed my SLIME issues. Yay. 20:17:56 -!- sellout-1 is now known as sellout 20:17:56 https://github.com/slime/slime/issues/83 20:18:01 vkrest [~vkrest@173.252.71.189] has joined #lisp 20:18:13 -!- Kruppe- is now known as Kruppe 20:19:12 bhyde: if you've used metapeg and you like it, why not push it to quicklisp 20:19:46 antonv [~user@93.171.161.176] has joined #lisp 20:20:29 -!- antonv [~user@93.171.161.176] has quit [Client Quit] 20:20:37 Nizumzen [~Nizumzen@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #lisp 20:20:51 antonv [~user@93.171.161.176] has joined #lisp 20:23:02 Fare: Br'er Rabbit was caught only once by Br'er Fox, see Tar-Baby  I believe ASDF was your's 20:23:07 -!- Code_Man` [~Code_Man@2a02:120b:2c09:19c0:223:54ff:fe38:82c2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:23:38 Code_Man` [~Code_Man@2a02:120b:2c09:19c0:223:54ff:fe38:82c2] has joined #lisp 20:25:51 -!- antonv [~user@93.171.161.176] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 20:25:56 -!- fiveop [~fiveop@p5DDC458B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 20:26:03 p_nathan [~Adium@174-21-165-174.tukw.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 20:26:51 -!- Codynyx [~cody@c-50-188-34-170.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:27:01 -!- vibs29 [~zorro@94.116.181.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:27:25 Fare: I recomend the whole book, in dialect - 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It helped me grow, I suppoes. 21:47:38 Indy [~Indy@ti-225-39-79.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 21:47:41 the real masters of the art of open source make the tar baby's and leave them around for other's to pick up 21:49:03 -!- aftersha_ [~textual@h-238-41.a336.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 21:49:44 for example somebody really out to implement a common lisp version of http://docopt.org/ :) 21:50:56 mhd [~mhd@cpe-76-170-71-237.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 21:52:10 -!- thepreacher [~thepreach@87.112.50.91] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:52:52 -!- mhd [~mhd@cpe-76-170-71-237.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 21:53:20 mhd [~mhd@cpe-76-170-71-237.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 21:53:28 -!- mhd [~mhd@cpe-76-170-71-237.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 21:55:39 -!- Indy [~Indy@ti-225-39-79.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:57:36 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:58:10 -!- vkrest [~vkrest@173.252.71.189] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:58:12 brandonz [~brandon@c-50-131-126-204.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:58:56 mhd [~mhd@cpe-76-170-71-237.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 22:02:09 -!- Petit_Dejeuner_ [~saefa@c-174-48-40-89.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:02:30 -!- sdemarre [~serge@216.64-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:02:41 -!- zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:03:07 -!- add^_ [~user@m213-101-23-176.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 22:04:37 -!- brandonz [~brandon@c-50-131-126-204.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:04:48 Petit_Dejeuner [~saefa@c-174-48-40-89.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:05:50 mwnaylor [~user@altoona-69-72-75-250.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net] has joined #lisp 22:07:39 -!- akersof [~akersof@99.0.19.93.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 22:09:57 -!- krrrcks [~krrrcks@krrrcks.de] has left #lisp 22:11:18 brandonz [~brandon@c-50-131-126-204.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:12:09 GuilOooo [~GuilOooo@mlir.info] has joined #lisp 22:12:16 sohail_ [~sohail@75-119-248-79.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 22:12:25 -!- GuilOooo [~GuilOooo@mlir.info] has quit [Client Quit] 22:14:14 Fare: The :version attributes in ASDF :depends-on are only used to guard against loading a old version, correct? Or is there some extra clever search for an acceptible version scheme? 22:14:32 -!- innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-50-159-9-43.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: innertracks] 22:15:04 -!- sohail_ [~sohail@75-119-248-79.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Client Quit] 22:15:46 GuilOooo [~GuilOooo@mlir.info] has joined #lisp 22:15:48 nand1 [~user@c-71-202-128-245.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:18:06 -!- brandonz [~brandon@c-50-131-126-204.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:18:08 akersof [~akersof@unaffiliated/zoroaster] has joined #lisp 22:19:17 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:19:23 n0n0 [~n0n0___@c-24-7-64-162.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:19:49 Codynyx [~cody@c-50-188-34-170.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:20:14 -!- prim [~user@unaffiliated/prim] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:23:51 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:25:20 -!- zajn [~zajn@c-67-164-92-172.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: zajn] 22:27:18 zygentoma [~kvirc@dslc-082-083-019-145.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 22:27:38 zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 22:30:04 WarWeasle [~bbeer@172.242.21.170] has joined #lisp 22:36:32 bhyde, ASDF itself is not geared for any search and even less for constraint solving 22:37:11 if you are interested in either extending ASDF, or building a layer around it... welcome 22:37:25 quicklisp would probably be a better start 22:38:31 regarding docopt, have you seen Didier Verna's CLON? 22:42:27 Does quicklisp have details for each package? Such as what it does. There are "over 900 libraries" and I have no idea what most of them do. 22:43:54 Fare: quite happy that ASDF hasn't made the mistake to trying to solve that problem 22:44:11 darth_lumbergh [52470a34@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.82.71.10.52] has joined #lisp 22:44:26 bhyde: I had more than enough "bread on my board" solving the existing problem that asdf purported to solve. 22:44:47 darth_lumbergh: Hello? Did I go trick or treating with you? 22:45:23 WarWeasle: damn, and I thought I was unique 22:45:54 Alfr_ [~Unknown@f052154179.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 22:46:12 darth_lumbergh: A friend and I took our kids out trick-or-treating. He was darth lumbergh. 22:46:42 WarWeasle: good costume idea :) 22:47:11 Fare: indeed! 22:48:10 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@78.171.41.243] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:48:23 zajn [~zajn@airbears2-136-152-142-12.AirBears2.Berkeley.EDU] has joined #lisp 22:49:12 BlackWabi [~wabi@194.47.217.164] has joined #lisp 22:49:39 -!- Alfr [~Unknown@g225176192.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:49:41 but at least *that* was solved. 22:49:50 DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@1.146.166.219] has joined #lisp 22:49:50 -!- vibs29 [~zorro@85.255.235.106] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 22:50:43 Fare: re. docopt, what I wanted was a lisp implementation so I could hack to to generate a bash code to parse command lines :) 22:51:19 What is this register-system-package horseshit? 22:52:44 byte: There is lisp-executable for command line stuff. 22:53:07 bhyde: There is lisp-executable for command line stuff. (sorry) 22:53:25 -!- n0n0 [~n0n0___@c-24-7-64-162.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:53:48 *Xach* updates software to deal with a new undocumented way to define systems 22:55:57 Xach: do you actually have to support it? while that looks cool and fun i wonder if it's actually mainstream v.s. wild and crazy skunkworks madness 22:57:44 -!- ehu [~ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:58:46 -!- emma [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:59:00 n0n0 [~n0n0___@c-24-7-64-162.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:59:37 emma [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has joined #lisp 23:02:38 Xach: Can quicklisp handle packages which start with a number? I've created a local 3Dmacs project and it won't load. 23:03:10 -!- nand1 [~user@c-71-202-128-245.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:03:26 nand1 [~user@c-71-202-128-245.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:04:00 -!- bassclide [~bassclide@118.129.broadband13.iol.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:06:33 How do you figure out if a pathname-directory component is relative - do you just check the CAR to see if it's :ABSOLUTE or :RELATIVE ? Is :RELATIVE what I'm looking for? I can't find mention of :RELATIVE in the clhs but that's what I recall it being called. 23:07:57 It's in the CLHS index under non-alphabetic symbols - got it. 23:08:14 *drmeister* thinks good CLHS, nice CLHS 23:09:50 But do I check if the pathname-directory component is relative by checking the CAR of the list to see if it's :RELATIVE. Is that necessary and sufficient? 23:11:06 knob [~knob@ppp-196-42-51-92.coqui.net] has joined #lisp 23:11:35 -!- knob [~knob@ppp-196-42-51-92.coqui.net] has left #lisp 23:11:39 -!- darth_lumbergh [52470a34@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.82.71.10.52] has left #lisp 23:12:58 Nizumzen [~Nizumzen@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #lisp 23:13:49 drmeister: pathnames are a dark art, anybody who can give you a straight anwser  well you need to wonder if they love thier family  but i believe the answer is yes. 23:13:56 -!- BlackWabi [~wabi@194.47.217.164] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:14:13 -!- snits [~snits@184-98-227-247.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:14:41 Xach: register-system-package allows to bridge between quick-build style defpackage definitions and systems where the package name differs from the system name 23:15:38 -!- musicalchair [~musicalch@192.241.203.74] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:15:49 closer-mop, notably, defines a lot of packages that are not called "closer-mop". They need to be registered before a package-system may use it. 23:15:50 snits [~snits@inet-hqmc04-o.oracle.com] has joined #lisp 23:15:53 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:16:07 quicklisp doesn't seem to like anything which ends in *macs 23:16:35 lil.asd has this: (register-system-packages :closer-mop '(:c2mop :closer-common-lisp :c2cl :closer-common-lisp-user :c2cl-user)) 23:18:27 WarWeasle: that sound's unlikely. i had no problem just now making a system called "13-macs") 23:19:09 -!- Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: ZzzZZ] 23:19:10 bhyde: Understood - pathnames are incredibly useful though - I'm really amazed how they "do the right thing" so often. They take care of stuff that I always used to shudder at when I encountered it manipulating pathnames/filenames in other languages. 23:19:10 -!- Alfr_ [~Unknown@f052154179.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:19:28 ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@78.171.41.243] has joined #lisp 23:19:34 bhyde: Ok. Then I'm really stumped. I create 3dmacs with quickproject and it won't load. 23:19:43 drmeister, uiop:relative-pathname-p is the portable solution that does not sacrifice corner cases. 23:20:23 innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-50-159-9-43.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:20:24 and your above interpretation is WRONG, because the directory component need not be a list — it might be a string 23:20:43 WarWeasle: did you remember to kick ASDF so it would search for systems again? (asdf:clear-source-registry) 23:21:03 and bhyde, you're right about the toll it takes on family life 23:21:30 -!- Nizumzen [~Nizumzen@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 23:21:35 Fare: Hmm, I thought the directory component was always stored internally as a list. 23:21:40 ASDF caches the list of .asd files at the first request, because that's expensive. 23:21:53 drmeister, that's not a portable assumption. 23:22:22 Fare: I have got to get quicklisp running on my system. That's on my long list of things to do. 23:22:27 don't you want to support ITS and other OSes without hierarchical subdirectories????????? 23:22:28 *bhyde* worrys about Fare's family 23:22:49 bhyde: I love them. They taste great with tomato sauce. 23:23:30 drmeister, if you love pathnames so much, you obviously didn't have to write uiop/pathname 23:23:38 -!- innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-50-159-9-43.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 23:23:46 ltbarcly [~textual@pool-108-42-99-156.snfcca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 23:23:56 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@78.171.41.243] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:23:57 or deal with its unsolved and not portably solvable bugs. 23:24:06 Fare: Very little that I write will be portable to other systems given the enormous investment I have in C++ libraries. 23:25:00 drmeister, I don't remember whether it's allowed for your implementation to reject pathnames with a directory component that is a string. Check the CLHS. 23:25:03 I'll have to deal with it tomorrow. 23:25:13 -!- WarWeasle [~bbeer@172.242.21.170] has left #lisp 23:26:02 I believe that SBCL accepts a string in make-pathname, but immediately converts to (:absolute ...) for sanity. 23:26:49 (pathname-directory (make-pathname :directory "foo")) 23:26:56 other implementations can get confused. 23:27:34 Hmm: (pathname-directory (make-pathname :directory "../../a/b/c/")) --> (:ABSOLUTE "../../a/b/c/") 23:27:56 drmeister, that's E.V.I.L. 23:28:13 (pathname-directory (pathname "../../a/b/c/")) --> (:RELATIVE :UP :UP "a" "b" "c") 23:28:48 that's an SBCL bug. 23:28:59 musicalchair [~musicalch@192.241.203.74] has joined #lisp 23:29:04 -!- zygentoma [~kvirc@dslc-082-083-019-145.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.1.3 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 23:29:04 I don't have the courage to file it, but I invite you to. 23:29:09 Fare: Hurray! I replicated an SBCL bug! 23:29:11 *bhyde* seems to recall a file system that let such things happen 23:29:25 *bhyde* and worse 23:29:55 Actually, the (pathname-directory (make-pathname :directory "../../a/b/c/")) -> (:ABSOLUTE "../../a/b/c/") was from my system. 23:29:56 I think that's one of the ways that people were doing ugly things with ASDF1 that were not portable at all, and broke on non-SBCL implementations 23:30:04 and there I had to fix it all in ASDF2. 23:30:40 ASDF3 has parse-unix-namestring, which generalizes ASDF2's coerce-pathname and earlier equivalents. 23:30:53 The code that implements pathname support is incredibly complicated - lots of logic and corner cases. 23:31:05 unhappily, it has to rely on make-pathname, and that doesn't handle wildcard characters properly or portably. 23:31:28 drmeister, and obviously it doesn't handle them all properly. 23:31:57 -!- zajn [~zajn@airbears2-136-152-142-12.AirBears2.Berkeley.EDU] has quit [Quit: zajn] 23:32:29 CL pathnames offers no portable way to escape wildcard characters. Oops. 23:32:49 Obviously - I'll file a bug report within my Common Lisp system right away. Chris! There's a bug in MAKE-PATHNAME. / Really Chris? I'll get right on it! / That's great Chris, thanks! 23:32:56 /part 23:33:07 -!- qsun [~qsun@27-32-60-26.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:33:10 -!- mwnaylor [~user@altoona-69-72-75-250.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net] has left #lisp 23:33:22 Our project meetings are lots of fun. But there's never enough donuts to go around. 23:34:09 normanrichards [~textual@cpe-24-27-51-104.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 23:35:05 qsun [~qsun@27-32-60-26.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #lisp 23:35:42 https://bugs.launchpad.net/sbcl/+bug/1278207 23:36:23 drmeister, I know a girl who has to sleep with her boss. Every night. Her boss also comes to all her parties. And reads her email! 23:37:42 -!- mc40 [~mcheema@146.255.107.122] has quit [Quit: mc40] 23:42:16 -!- zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 23:43:53 George Ainslie is my favorite writer on many on troubles of that kind of. 23:48:29 ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@78.171.41.243] has joined #lisp 23:48:53 vibs29 [~zorro@host86-130-161-248.range86-130.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 23:49:37 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@78.171.41.243] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 23:54:21 Nizumzen [~Nizumzen@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #lisp 23:54:39 -!- frx [~a@78-1-188-220.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:55:07 Fare: Oh, now I get it - riddle - self-employed. 23:56:25 Fare: What do I use if I want to merge an absolute pathname with a relative one. I've been banging away at things like: (make-pathname :directory (pathname-directory #p"/a/b/") :defaults #p"./c/d/") but I'm not getting it. 23:56:53 -!- jpfuentes2 [~jacques@pool-173-53-63-65.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz] 23:57:29 ASau` [~user@p5083D535.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 23:58:14 -!- matko [~matko@ip82-139-125-221.lijbrandt.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:58:20 drmeister: merge-pathname 23:59:06 dlowe: Thanks - I'll try that - I thought make-pathname merged like merge-pathname. 23:59:17 At least the directory part.