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Only that writing programs by punching card is fun, for an afternoon :-) 15:47:57 it is, true. And in that domain, being able to parse COBOL copybooks for the definitions makes for much easier porting/transformation etc. 15:48:56 -!- jpfuentes2 [~jacques@pool-173-53-102-185.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:51:42 -!- jbarker [~jbarker@18.189.122.95] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:52:08 -!- cory786 [~cory@CK-Laptop.wifi.utoledo.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:53:42 -!- zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:55:37 cpc26 [~cpc26@fsf/member/cpc26] has joined #lisp 15:58:47 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:01:49 -!- Poenikatu [~kvirc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/poenikatu] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 16:02:52 innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-50-159-9-43.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:03:01 -!- Patzy_ is now known as Patzy 16:04:25 zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 16:05:08 -!- loke_erc [~user@2400:d803:7342:f91a:79af:9d2c:4509:b740] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:05:19 -!- alexherbo2 [~alexherbo@mawercer.de] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 16:05:29 -!- harish [~harish@175.156.193.24] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:08:11 harish [~harish@175.156.197.152] has joined #lisp 16:08:38 sellout- [~Adium@161.98.11.178] has joined #lisp 16:13:51 cory786 [~cory@CK-Laptop.wifi.utoledo.edu] has joined #lisp 16:14:43 -!- cymew [~ante@90-230-84-97-no110.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:14:59 -!- jewel [~jewel@105-236-88-77.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:16:11 vaporatorius [~vaporator@194.Red-79-150-121.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 16:17:53 senj [~senj@unaffiliated/senj] has joined #lisp 16:18:22 jbarker [~jbarker@18.189.122.95] has joined #lisp 16:19:06 Abby22 [~Abby22@77.231.59.198] has joined #lisp 16:19:08 I give you some pictures. I hope you like! http://bit.do/my_videos69 16:19:56 -!- Abby22 [~Abby22@77.231.59.198] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:20:42 -!- johs_ is now known as johs 16:21:04 Anybody could drop a nuke there: http://www.geoiptool.com/fr/?IP=77.231.59.198 ? 16:24:15 eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-57-241.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 16:24:34 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-57-241.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:24:42 -!- jbarker [~jbarker@18.189.122.95] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:25:14 xD 16:25:19 -!- Pinkyman_ is now known as Pinkyman 16:27:41 -!- gigetoo_ is now known as gigetoo 16:27:47 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@78.162.254.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:28:17 -!- arenz [arenz@nat/ibm/x-aamefkinmhxpkaer] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:28:19 ogamita: are we removing Catalonia now? 16:28:24 ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@li283-143.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 16:29:38 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douchebag incapable of changing IP and who shows up *often* 16:37:26 -!- ChanServ has set mode +o Xach 16:37:46 -!- Xach has set mode -b+b abby24!*@* *!*@77.231.59.198 16:37:50 -!- Xach has set mode -o Xach 16:37:54 Maybe that will help 16:37:55 -!- add^_ [~user@m176-70-201-0.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:38:09 -!- fantazo [~fantazo@213.129.230.10] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:38:18 op ex machina 16:38:26 White_Flame: especially after recent debacle where a #debian op banned an entire hackerspace because a person using its wifi asked a question that contained the word "ubuntu" 16:38:26 -!- jbarker [~jbarker@18.189.122.95] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:38:34 heh 16:38:58 zeroish [~zeroish@135.207.141.202] has joined #lisp 16:42:15 -!- nydel [nydel@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-czqzoxhzmtnckmlj] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:42:28 nydel [nydel@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-yydqqomjabfkikax] has joined #lisp 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the first form the compiler has to assume that *gvar* will be a dynamic variable when in the second form it knows. 18:37:06 They don't necessarily mean the same. 18:37:27 I kind of see that - but what do you mean? 18:37:49 The first form expects an existing definition for *gvar*. It could be a global special declaration (as per defvar or defparameters), it could be a constant variable declaration (defconstant), or it could be a symbol macro (define-symbol-macro). 18:38:01 The code generated depending on this global environment could be different. 18:38:17 In the later case, you only have a dynamic binding. There's not necessarily a global declaration. 18:38:54 For example, the later xxx function can be called as: (let ((*gvar* 42)) (declare (special *gvar*)) (xxx)) 18:39:19 Yes - got that. 18:39:41 Without a global definition, the first definition is not conforming: it is implementation dependant. 18:40:19 If there is a global definition then the first one is conforming - yes? 18:40:54 yes. 18:40:59 Although the compiler may generate a warning. 18:41:10 It should not. 18:41:10 ehu [~ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 18:41:17 Really? Should not? 18:41:21 With a global definition, it's perfectly conforming. 18:41:32 pchrist [spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has joined #lisp 18:42:21 drmeister: now, the problem comes when you have threads. 18:42:25 cory786 [~cory@CK-Laptop.wifi.utoledo.edu] has joined #lisp 18:42:50 drmeister: basically, without threads, special variables are the symbol value slots. Therefore you can always compile free variables as dynamic bindings. 18:43:05 Right - if the global definition exists when the defun is compiled. If I go (defun xxx () (print *gvar*)) before I (defparameter *gvar* nil) I get a warning from sbcl. If I reverse the order - no warning. Got it. 18:43:19 But with threads, this is harder to do, since then there may be more than one dynamic variables for a given symbol value slot. 18:43:29 Right. 18:43:45 Right - I don't have threads yet so I'm not really aware of the issues involving threads. 18:45:00 LiamH [~healy@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #lisp 18:45:02 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:49:05 Thanks! 18:51:14 -!- nichtdiebohne [~nichtdieb@kons-4d027bb4.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com] 18:51:25 some lisp-related book or paper has a diagram about metaobject protocols, illustrating how having a MOP allows you to move from a point in object-oriented system design space to a region 18:51:48 does anyone remember better than me where that diagram is? (it's very schematic) 18:51:50 <_death> AMOP 18:51:51 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-185-79.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:52:50 D*mn I love this language - there's always a perfect tool for the job. Like (pushnew ... :key ... :test-not ...) 18:54:48 and if there isn't one, it's easy to build. I was enjoying my (on-error form &body body) macro and other such shortcuts today 18:54:56 _death: I'm 10 miles away from my copy :-( do you have a page reference? 18:55:34 -!- puchacz_ [~puchacz@46-65-36-47.zone16.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 18:58:26 -!- ggherdov_ [sid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-iricgftaevfavhgr] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:58:51 <_death> Krystof: been skimming through it and I don't see it, although there is of course a discussion of the subject.. I too remember that diagram.. maybe it was a paper, lemme check 19:01:08 -!- quasisan1 is now known as quasisane 19:03:34 zickzackv [~faot@p4FC96807.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 19:07:08 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:10:27 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-187-194.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 19:12:21 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@pool-108-42-99-156.snfcca.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 19:13:57 ggherdov_ [sid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xwwfothbgxldfgvg] has joined #lisp 19:15:57 jbarker [~jbarker@18.189.122.95] has joined #lisp 19:18:18 vkrest [~vkrest@173.252.71.189] has joined #lisp 19:20:12 joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@128.120.117.183] has joined #lisp 19:20:34 -!- jbarker [~jbarker@18.189.122.95] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:20:44 jbarker [~jbarker@18.189.122.95] has joined #lisp 19:20:57 -!- jbarker [~jbarker@18.189.122.95] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:21:08 yrk [~user@c-76-24-229-126.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:21:24 jbarker [~jbarker@18.189.122.95] has joined #lisp 19:21:24 -!- yrk [~user@c-76-24-229-126.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 19:21:24 yrk [~user@pdpc/supporter/student/yrk] has joined #lisp 19:25:46 -!- jbarker [~jbarker@18.189.122.95] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:26:10 -!- CatMtKing [~CatMtKing@ed-uluka.dyn.ucr.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:28:57 ltbarcly [~textual@pool-108-42-99-156.snfcca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 19:31:49 KaiQ [~localhost@p578FC903.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 19:33:05 <_death> can't seem to find it right now.. :/ 19:38:16 edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-109-193-013-113.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 19:39:43 CatMtKing [~CatMtKing@ed-uluka.dyn.ucr.edu] has joined #lisp 19:42:30 -!- quackv4 [~quack@vps-1058467-4367.manage.myhosting.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:44:24 snits [~snits@inet-hqmc02-o.oracle.com] has joined #lisp 19:44:28 quackv4 [~quack@vps-1058467-4367.manage.myhosting.com] has joined #lisp 19:44:37 -!- jasom_ is now known as jasom 19:44:59 -!- cory786 [~cory@CK-Laptop.wifi.utoledo.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:45:41 -!- Harag [~Thunderbi@105.184.33.8] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:45:46 Stygia [~gmpsaifi@94.191.186.82.mobile.3.dk] has joined #lisp 19:46:11 -!- quackv4 [~quack@vps-1058467-4367.manage.myhosting.com] has quit [Client Quit] 19:46:18 quackv4 [~quack@vps-1058467-4367.manage.myhosting.com] has joined #lisp 19:48:56 -!- zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:49:16 klltkr_ [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has joined #lisp 19:53:48 pnpuff [~D@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 19:56:00 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-101-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 19:56:19 kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-101-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 19:59:02 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 19:59:46 -!- ck`` [~ck@dslb-094-219-236-112.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:00:17 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 20:00:18 describe is awfull.... 20:00:21 slyrus [~chatzilla@173-228-44-92.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 20:00:29 -!- ggole [~ggole@124-169-100-226.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [] 20:04:20 -!- innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-24-17-64-212.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:05:14 http://paste.lisp.org/display/141145 20:05:41 zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 20:06:46 (describe *application-frame*) and you get around the black-box.... 20:06:48 lol 20:08:23 or (describe *standard-output*) .....etc.... 20:11:56 _death: gah, how frustrating 20:12:00 I can *see* the picture 20:14:01 Davidbrcz [~david@146.30.136.88.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 20:14:42 Vivitron [~Vivitron@c-50-172-44-193.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:14:51 -!- klltkr_ [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:16:00 well my init-script is not free of failures.... 20:16:03 innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-24-17-64-212.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:16:30 anyway it's a start... 20:17:50 and i don't care about using unexported symbols too at that stage...yet! 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'() is for data empty list. nil is for boolean, and 'nil is for the null symbol. 20:55:14 So usually you want (or nil nil). boolean x boolean -> boolean 20:55:53 But you may also write (or nil ()) if you want to return the first non nil value, or by default the empty list. 20:56:39 oh sorry pjb, the ()'s were just fillers.... 20:57:07 not the actual empty list 20:57:16 in my use above 20:57:27 (or (form1) (form2)) ... 20:57:33 oleo: (funcall (lambda ) ) <=> ((lambda ) ) <=> (let () ) and in the case where there are no parameters, <=> (progn ) 20:57:39 So it's entirely useless. 20:57:57 yasha [~yasha@unaffiliated/yasha] has joined #lisp 20:58:21 pjb: Is that still true with the y-combinator? 20:58:39 ((lambda (x) (x x)) ...) 20:58:50 White_Flame: your pattern matcher is defective. 20:59:16 White_Flame: compare (funcall (lambda (x) x) 42) with ((lambda (x) (funcall x x)) (lambda (x) (funcall x x))). 20:59:42 seems to match ((lambda ...) ...) 20:59:48 -!- CatMtKing [~CatMtKing@ed-uluka.dyn.ucr.edu] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 20:59:55 oleo: otherwise your those functions are strange, since having an *application-frame* overrides the parameter. 20:59:56 <_death> Krystof: my gut tells me it's one of Paepcke's.. but images seem missing from the ps papers.. also I've no access to OOP: The CLOS Perspective 21:00:31 thank you for inspecting pjb, i'll revise them for sure...... 21:00:32 oleo: perhaps you wanted to write: (defun current-frame-layout (&optional (frame-name *application-frame*)) (slot-value frame-name 'climi::current-layout)) ? 21:00:35 -!- gmci [~gmc@rrcs-71-40-75-218.sw.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 21:01:01 so (current-frame-layout) returns the current layout of *application-frame* and (current-frame-layout f) returns the current layout of f. 21:01:10 ah ya 21:01:47 There's a function named clmi. Perhaps you meant clim? 21:01:51 yes i think so...if there's a frame-name provided to get the description of the slot for that frame rather the one in *application-frame* 21:01:54 perhaps not. 21:02:03 no 21:02:15 -!- brandonz_ [~brandon@c-50-131-126-204.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:02:16 clm is my gui starter for my mcclim related apps 21:02:24 -!- cymew [~ante@90-230-84-97-no110.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:02:29 clmi is the interactore related one and clme is the editor related one 21:02:36 interactor* meh 21:02:38 Yes, I see now the clmi, clme and clm. 21:02:42 jep 21:03:00 oleo: you could write a macro to generate all those functions. 21:03:19 maybe later on, when i feel sure i'm ok to start out with macros..... 21:03:26 ok. 21:04:28 i still fear to make mistakes which then leak out....and get me into a state of ....not understanding what is going on.... 21:04:47 oleo: learn how to encapsulate things. 21:04:54 oleo: basically, use functional abstractions. 21:05:01 oleo: details in sicp. 21:05:04 -!- Code_Man` [~Code_Man@57-5.0-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:05:06 sure, i know ... 21:05:17 also if you learn about Abstract Data Type, that helps structuring things out. 21:05:22 but i havent't adopted that totally yet... 21:11:28 -!- knob [~knob@76.76.202.245] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:13:11 fe[nl]ix: are we going to see an updated iolib in quicklisp soon? 21:13:22 Xach: ^ 21:13:37 -!- Pullphinger [~Pullphing@12.40.23.68] has quit [] 21:13:42 is iolib maintained even ? 21:13:46 usocket is afaik... 21:13:55 blackwolf [~blackwolf@ool-4574ed7b.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 21:14:03 oleo: iolib is actively developed; the version in quicklisp is quite old though. 21:14:08 hiroaki [~hiroaki@77-20-51-63-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 21:14:20 oleo: iolib tends to rely on bleeding-edge features of just about everything though 21:14:39 and it still works that way ? 21:15:07 i try to stay away from bleeding-edge stuff..... 21:15:08 dlowe: yes, finally quicklisp is ready for ASDF3 so you'll see a new release this weekend, hopefully 21:15:37 winning. thanks! 21:16:37 oleo: it works great actually. It's not like the new features of ASDF3 are buggy; just not everyone has it. 21:17:20 nand1 [~user@c-71-202-128-245.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:17:38 CatMtKing [~CatMtKing@ed-uluka.dyn.ucr.edu] has joined #lisp 21:17:41 well i tried to compile my sbcl with the latest asdf via replacing contrib/asdf/asdf.lisp... 21:18:01 but then the contribs failed to build.... 21:18:13 mksan [~fabian@1-1-10-33a.rny.sth.bostream.se] has joined #lisp 21:18:20 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:18:33 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has joined #lisp 21:18:38 and anyway i have problems with the uiop stuff..... 21:19:04 dlowe: if I find the time we'll have releases of cffi, static-vectors, swap-bytes, libfixposix and iolib this weekend 21:19:07 works for some and fails for other systems/packages/source-files..... 21:19:15 oleo: don't do it that way, just use asdf to load asdf 21:19:32 (asdf:load-system :asdf) will work if you put a newer asdf somewhere in your source registry 21:19:39 yes, i won't anymore... 21:19:46 -!- innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-24-17-64-212.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:19:48 bobbysmith007: around? 21:19:51 i'll not replace anything in the sources.... 21:20:08 jasom: I advice against putting asdf.asd in your load path 21:20:10 -!- clop2 [~jared@99-23-195-115.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:20:24 jasom: better to load ASDF early in your .rc file 21:20:29 fe[nl]ix: really? Do you just load asdf.lisp instead? 21:20:46 it's my first trying to use a restart (provided in bobbysmith007 code) and it's failing, and I have a hard time deciding if it's the restart failing or my code not behaving 21:20:57 innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-24-17-64-212.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:20:59 fe[nl]ix: yeah, I'm trying to get iolib running from head and it's not pretty 21:21:00 well, my sbcl has already an contrib asdf, so i just (require :asdf) it.... 21:21:07 afterwards you can load another one.... 21:21:14 fe[nl]ix: (asdf:load-system :asdf) <- 2nd line of .sbclrc 21:21:21 fe[nl]ix: no problems here with that 21:21:22 klltkr_ [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has joined #lisp 21:21:22 note that without any special purpose code, selecting the provided restart in the interactive debugger fails too, in the sense that the situation doesn't change and the debugger opens again on the same state and error 21:21:22 -!- snits [~snits@inet-hqmc02-o.oracle.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:21:24 jasom: yes: https://github.com/sionescu/skel/blob/master/.cl-init/asdf-init.lisp 21:22:20 -!- zickzackv [~faot@p4FC96807.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:22:21 jbarker [~jbarker@18.189.122.95] has joined #lisp 21:22:37 -!- paul0 [~paul0@179.187.88.214.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:23:15 other question, related, is there something portable around sb-int:stream-decoding-error? 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21:31:13 brandonz [~brandon@c-50-131-126-204.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:31:20 -!- vkrest [~vkrest@173.252.71.189] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:32:16 Denommus` [~user@unaffiliated/denommus] has joined #lisp 21:33:36 well, ahah 21:33:58 pgloader is an application that I intend to ship to people for them to load data files I will never have access to 21:34:15 so I'm provoking the encoding error to test that pgloader behaves sanely enough in that case 21:34:29 Then you can try to identify the encoding automatically, or ask the user what encoding they want to use. 21:34:44 sometimes it looks like the only expected user of a CL application is its developer ;-( 21:35:11 -!- Denommus [~user@unaffiliated/denommus] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:35:12 pjb`: well yes, that needs being able to process the error, which I can't in the current state of things 21:35:34 well, encodings are still rather a new affair in CL implementations :-) 21:35:37 dim: why? 21:35:38 and pgloader is all about unattended loading of data, so the main error processing I want to include is log the faulty csv row and continue loading the reste of the file 21:35:46 I mean the point of the expected user 21:36:17 -!- brandonz [~brandon@c-50-131-126-204.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:36:35 because each time I report oddities and problems I have in fixing bugs in pgloader the first answer invariably is fixing the specifics of any random use-case I have rather than fixing the error handling capabilities of the program 21:36:54 staykov [~wiggin@cable.xen.prgmr.com] has joined #lisp 21:36:54 just now it was "fix the encoding in the :external-format" or somethign 21:37:03 -!- staykov [~wiggin@cable.xen.prgmr.com] has quit [Changing host] 21:37:03 staykov [~wiggin@pdpc/supporter/active/staykov] has joined #lisp 21:37:06 -!- klltkr [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:37:41 -!- klltkr_ [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:38:04 -!- ck`` [~user@aftr-37-24-144-211.unity-media.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:38:31 klltkr [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has joined #lisp 21:39:08 -!- cgore [~cgore@cgore.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:39:38 fe[nl]ix: is the way to run a program in a non-blocking fashion to use set-io-handler on the returned stdout fd? 21:40:47 alexherbo2 [~alexherbo@APlessis-Bouchard-154-1-74-175.w90-35.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 21:41:53 -!- gigetoo [~gigetoo@c83-250-61-4.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:42:20 -!- round-robin [~bubo@91.224.149.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 262 seconds] 21:42:42 dlowe: please rephrase that question 21:43:37 gigetoo [~gigetoo@c83-250-61-4.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 21:43:37 -!- sohail_ [~sohail@75-119-248-79.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 21:43:49 -!- Denommus` is now known as Denommus 21:43:56 -!- innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-24-17-64-212.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:44:38 pjb`: in case you're interested, https://github.com/AccelerationNet/cl-csv/issues/15 21:44:46 bobbysmith007: https://github.com/AccelerationNet/cl-csv/issues/15 is for you actually ;-) 21:44:52 fe[nl]ix: I want to run a program and retrieve its output. I'm using an event multiplexer, and I don't want to block on the process finishing. 21:45:19 _death: my memory said Paepke too 21:45:31 pnpuff [~D@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 21:45:46 fe[nl]ix: I'm wondering if there is an easier way to do this than (iolib:set-io-handler *event-base* (fd (process-stdout (create-program ...))) :read callback) 21:46:05 assuming I can figure out how to get the fd from a tty-stream 21:46:22 -!- pnpuff [~D@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has left #lisp 21:46:43 ah, fd-of 21:46:52 innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-24-17-64-212.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:48:42 Krystof: Did you find it? 21:48:46 -!- mksan [~fabian@1-1-10-33a.rny.sth.bostream.se] has left #lisp 21:49:05 dlowe: yes, that's more or less the way to do it 21:49:41 dlowe: just make sure you keep track of the process object 21:50:15 Okay, just making sure. 21:50:23 dlowe: I'd use a separate thread to deal with the subprocess 21:50:23 -!- snits [~snits@184-98-227-247.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:50:23 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.180.79.21] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:50:34 fe[nl]ix: I may end up doing that. 21:50:39 and talk to the event loop via a pipe 21:50:50 doesn't that just push the exact same problem to a pipe? 21:51:31 snits [~snits@inet-hqmc05-o.oracle.com] has joined #lisp 21:51:58 -!- BeLucid [~belucid@cpe-066-057-034-009.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:52:51 dlowe: AFAIK no because they're two different FDs 21:53:24 you can set the input end in blocking mode and write via a stream 21:53:51 then read from its twin in non-blocking mode 21:54:42 Well, this is just "fire up a program, it exits, read stdout" 21:55:30 the simplest thing then would be to use the blocking iolib/os:run-program which returns the stdout as string 21:55:48 then push the entire string into the pipe 21:56:03 if the program is non-interactive 21:56:22 -!- jbarker [~jbarker@18.189.122.95] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:56:34 -!- sellout- [~Adium@70-91-168-190-BusName-Colorado.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:56:41 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 21:57:50 -!- Ayey [~rune1@2-106-141-211-dynamic.dk.customer.tdc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:58:48 anybody know why a clim stream-pane will display if it's part of an application-frame, but not if it's been PRESENTed? 21:59:38 -!- alexherbo2 [~alexherbo@APlessis-Bouchard-154-1-74-175.w90-35.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3-dev] 21:59:55 I may just put up with some amount of blocking for convenience :p 22:00:27 this is surprisingly complicated. Need something like twisted's process protocols :) 22:01:09 and apparently my version of lfp is too old to get environment variables 22:01:31 well, end of the day, in any case. 22:01:39 might I ask what you're trying to accomplish 22:01:40 ? 22:01:52 present ? 22:02:00 do you have the translators ? 22:02:23 I don't have any translators (do I need them?) 22:02:26 feww, i don't get that all too.... 22:02:33 dlowe: are you aware of the repositories I set up for lfp ? 22:02:35 the idea was to use the pane as part of the presentation for an object 22:02:45 but I'm totally new to clim and have more or less no idea what's going on 22:02:55 heh welcome to the club.... 22:03:01 fe[nl]ix: Just trying to hook up /usr/bin/dict to an irc bot 22:03:06 -!- innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-24-17-64-212.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:03:31 oleo: thing is, when it's output as part of the presentation, it's border gets displayed but it's display-function is never run 22:03:47 when it's in the :panes list, it works as you'd expect 22:04:08 Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has joined #lisp 22:04:19 jbarker [~jbarker@18.189.122.95] has joined #lisp 22:04:52 dlowe: have you seen the "user-level threads" video ? 22:04:52 i have some problems here too regarding the core-commands functionality in drei.... 22:05:12 there are some commands defined which take an integer and use that as the value for setting the fill-column or so.... 22:05:18 dlowe: it's by a guy from Google 22:05:41 but that would only work on the climacs editor i think....since the listener does not use drei directly.... 22:06:03 and even then, the accepting does not even prompt for a value..... 22:06:19 instead i get thrown into the debugger.... 22:06:29 ya some things are still broken ..... 22:06:41 -!- MoALTz_ [~no@host81-153-176-198.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: brb] 22:06:53 -!- jbarker [~jbarker@18.189.122.95] has quit [Client Quit] 22:07:04 MoALTz [~no@host81-153-176-198.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 22:07:07 I gave up on drei when I couldn't display more than 2 of them at a time 22:07:11 still not sure what that was about 22:07:37 innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-24-17-64-212.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:07:51 drei and esa ...... 22:08:19 vkrest [~vkrest@2620:0:1cfe:18:88cb:bb0:f2b0:12ff] has joined #lisp 22:12:08 -!- fiveop [~fiveop@p5DDC458B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 22:12:33 -!- normanrichards [~textual@cpe-24-27-51-104.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [] 22:12:50 -!- EvW [~Thunderbi@2001:981:5f09:1:ec3a:b855:4788:4dc8] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:13:20 i don't think that presentations are involved in the incremental-redisplay part ..... 22:13:29 EvW [~Thunderbi@2001:981:5f09:1:ec3a:b855:4788:4dc8] has joined #lisp 22:13:51 -!- add^_ [~user@m176-70-201-0.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:13:54 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Excess Flood] 22:14:04 only thru the application-frame.....not on their own.... 22:14:14 -!- JuanDaugherty [~Ren@cpe-198-255-198-157.buffalo.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Exit IRC/Hiberate] 22:14:31 arigoins [~ari@174-28-35-120.albq.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 22:14:35 JuanDaugherty [~Ren@cpe-198-255-198-157.buffalo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 22:14:57 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 22:15:43 presentations tell how things are to be drawn/displayed not when they get drawn or displayed.... 22:17:01 and the last layer on that are the views... 22:17:45 nug700 [~nug700@184-98-219-15.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 22:18:52 that's what's confusing me 22:19:13 because the application-frame's display function presents a list of objects 22:19:24 the presentations for each of those objects includes this stream pane 22:19:33 i wondered why for example defclass textual-view would be defaulting to view and where in the source it was.... 22:19:44 and the stream-pane's border is displayed just fine, but the pane itself has 0 size, and it's display function is never called 22:20:07 i didn't see a defclass view....until i looked into the protocol-classes file.... 22:20:36 most of what I know of clim I've learned from the inspect and judicious use of M-. 22:21:03 there's a macro for constructing all of those classes just at the beginning.... 22:21:55 well, describe comes in very handy for getting at slots of objects..... 22:22:12 you get a nice table.... 22:22:41 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@146.30.136.88.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:23:03 didn't use inspect much yet.... 22:23:18 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@155.247.96.196] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:24:31 inspect is particularly nice because you can go through a couple layers of an object if you need to (like getting at the children of a border-pane) 22:27:41 -!- innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-24-17-64-212.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:28:30 well yes i have....but didn't use it much..... 22:29:27 have to make sure which slots i'm interested in mostly ....(figure out what they do, i don't mostly know that stuff) 22:29:37 before i go onto other stuff.... 22:29:46 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:29:54 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-27-170.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:30:55 optikalmouse [~omouse@69-165-245-60.cable.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 22:31:08 innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-24-17-64-212.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:32:36 Ethan- [~Ethan-@60-248-176-37.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 22:34:57 -!- tkd [~tomek@ogbunabali.wa.ht] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 22:37:16 -!- innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-24-17-64-212.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:37:52 innertracks [~Thunderbi@c-24-17-64-212.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:38:32 tkd [~tomek@ogbunabali.wa.ht] has joined #lisp 22:39:18 -!- tkd [~tomek@ogbunabali.wa.ht] has quit [Client Quit] 22:39:47 tkd [~tomek@ogbunabali.wa.ht] has joined #lisp 22:39:50 -!- tkd [~tomek@ogbunabali.wa.ht] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:40:06 -!- klltkr [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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