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Just a bunch of folks fighting for Genera ;) 02:21:44 in terms of cpu usage... hard to say 02:22:27 when it does nothing, it's near 0 02:23:06 pranavrc [~pranavrc@122.164.44.184] has joined #lisp 02:23:06 -!- pranavrc [~pranavrc@122.164.44.184] has quit [Changing host] 02:23:06 pranavrc [~pranavrc@unaffiliated/pranavrc] has joined #lisp 02:23:20 harish [harish@nat/redhat/x-onmyzntwtcsmwopx] has joined #lisp 02:23:34 all the calls to sched_yield must help ;) 02:24:54 slyrus_ [~chatzilla@udp047553uds.hawaiiantel.net] has joined #lisp 02:25:04 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@udp047553uds.hawaiiantel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:25:09 -!- slyrus_ is now known as slyrus 02:28:49 akbiggs [~akbiggs@bas1-kanata16-1279596203.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 02:31:49 axion [~axion@cpe-67-242-70-187.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 02:35:51 -!- Ogion [~Ogion@81.32.255.22] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:37:25 Ogion [~Ogion@22.Red-81-32-255.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 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As source code? 04:41:11 hualet_deepin [~user@59.173.241.82] has joined #lisp 04:41:32 -!- hualet_deepin [~user@59.173.241.82] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:41:40 beach: I have a bunch of source and binaries 04:41:42 mixed up 04:41:57 deadghost [~deadghost@71-84-218-145.dhcp.ccmn.ca.charter.com] has joined #lisp 04:42:11 There might be enough source to make an Ivory emulator 04:42:25 Sounds like a fun project. 04:42:36 sohail [~sohail@69-196-139-132.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 04:42:36 -!- sohail [~sohail@69-196-139-132.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Changing host] 04:42:36 sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 04:42:44 yes. The problem is I am not lacking in fun projects recently :) 04:42:56 zxq9 [~ceverett@FL9-125-199-207-150.okn.mesh.ad.jp] has joined #lisp 04:43:00 (got a bunch of ideas I want to code on in Linux kernel) 04:43:00 Heh. Yes, I definitely see what you mean. 04:43:34 Can you describe those ideas as an "executive summary"? 04:44:39 NFSv4 ACL support in Linux that would work for *all* filesystems that have extended attributes (important for NFSv4, of course, ZFS and Samba/CIFS), ZFS delegation support in ZFSonLinux, possibly some more hacks in ZFS 04:44:52 -!- deadghost [~deadghost@71-84-218-145.dhcp.ccmn.ca.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:44:55 deadghost_ [~deadghost@71-84-218-145.dhcp.ccmn.ca.charter.com] has joined #lisp 04:45:17 all those directly impact my personal laptop in terms of what I use, too :) 04:45:40 That should keep the motivation high. 04:46:21 another motivation is selling this to prospective employers 04:46:57 (together with my Master's degree subject in AI, about Ontologies in Semantic Web) 04:47:11 RE: genera and x11, have you tried looking at the network traffic? IIRC from when I looked at it, the crash was caused by a single malformed message, if you could insert some type of proxy that translated it correctly my thought was that you could get it to run with modern X. 04:47:18 -!- LiamH [~none@pool-173-73-130-210.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:47:20 I would think the file system stuff would interest only a small subset of potential employers. 04:47:48 beach: the ones that pay 100k/y on entry, though 04:47:57 Sure. 04:48:04 -!- deadghost_ [~deadghost@71-84-218-145.dhcp.ccmn.ca.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:48:17 deadghost [~deadghost@71-84-218-145.dhcp.ccmn.ca.charter.com] has joined #lisp 04:48:25 Having gotten something done is always interesting to employers. 04:48:40 What you got done is less relevant. 04:48:51 Sounds right. 04:50:12 hualet_deepin [~user@59.173.241.82] has joined #lisp 04:50:27 well, it's my last year in university, I need to beef up my CV a bit 04:50:37 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@147.30.99.154] has joined #lisp 04:50:38 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@147.30.99.154] has quit [Changing host] 04:50:38 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 04:50:42 -!- deadghost [~deadghost@71-84-218-145.dhcp.ccmn.ca.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:50:49 finally able to take full-time job without weird constraints will be nice 04:50:52 zimerilim: Are you saying that modern X11 has a bug that makes it send a malformed message? 04:51:02 -!- hualet_deepin [~user@59.173.241.82] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:51:16 deadghost [~deadghost@71-84-218-145.dhcp.ccmn.ca.charter.com] has joined #lisp 04:52:38 -!- deadghost [~deadghost@71-84-218-145.dhcp.ccmn.ca.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:55:02 there are two issues. One is that coldboot window doesn't work with xlib-xcb, another is that Genera's X11 client triggers something weird if you Save World on system with newer X11 than I think 7.1 04:55:39 also, TIL I learned that "and die" part of save lisp and die applies to Genera as well... 04:55:57 kdas_ [~kdas@106.79.148.27] has joined #lisp 04:56:53 deadghost [~deadghost@71-84-218-145.dhcp.ccmn.ca.charter.com] has joined #lisp 04:56:59 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:57:35 aka trying to Save World twice breaks snap4 at least 04:57:51 -!- deadghost [~deadghost@71-84-218-145.dhcp.ccmn.ca.charter.com] has quit [Client Quit] 04:59:02 -!- nialo [~nialo@ool-18bbb124.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:03:30 Hydan [~hydan@ip-89-103-110-16.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lisp 05:05:03 -!- bananagram [~bot@c-76-30-158-226.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:05:16 -!- kdas_ is now known as kushal 05:05:21 -!- kushal [~kdas@106.79.148.27] has quit [Changing host] 05:05:21 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 05:06:13 ebobby [~fms@189.170.17.62] has joined #lisp 05:07:33 -!- ldionmarcil [~maden@unaffiliated/maden] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:07:59 ggole [~ggole@124-169-101-15.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 05:10:58 -!- ebobby [~fms@189.170.17.62] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:15:00 -!- Hydan [~hydan@ip-89-103-110-16.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:18:49 -!- hellome [~lua@192.73.239.25] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:27:40 -!- Alfr [~Unknown@g225069030.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:29:39 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@pool-108-42-99-156.snfcca.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 05:32:52 ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@78.162.159.160] has joined #lisp 05:37:40 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@78.162.159.160] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:38:34 ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@78.162.159.160] has joined #lisp 05:40:51 -!- abbe [having@badti.me] has quit [Quit: Everytime that we are together, it's always estatically palpitating!] 05:41:22 abbe [having@badti.me] has joined #lisp 05:42:58 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@78.162.159.160] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:43:15 -!- lyanchih [~lyanchih@202.39.219.19] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:43:42 yacks [~py@103.6.159.103] has joined #lisp 05:45:14 pecg [~pecg@unaffiliated/pecg] has joined #lisp 05:47:58 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:51:23 -!- pranavrc [~pranavrc@unaffiliated/pranavrc] has quit [Quit: Ping timeout: ] 05:52:21 alezost [~user@128-70-204-126.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 05:52:45 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:54:33 deadghost [~deadghost@71-84-218-145.dhcp.ccmn.ca.charter.com] has joined #lisp 05:57:39 milosn [~milosn@149.254.250.163] has joined #lisp 05:57:59 -!- tensorpudding [~tensorpud@108.87.17.104] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:00:10 More like old X11 was more lenient and somewhere along the line the xorg server was made more strict with a particular call, the one related to the hang on 'Save World' if I recall. It's actually possible the issue in not in snap4 at all but in the Genera xwindows client. You might be able to resolve it by editing and recompiling the Lisp. I think the xwindows code was one of the packages with source provided. 06:02:41 STilda [~kvirc@188.162.166.7] has joined #lisp 06:03:25 -!- nilsi__ [~nilsi@49.73.144.45] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:07:00 ebobby [~fms@189.170.17.62] has joined #lisp 06:07:48 nipra [~nipra@122.177.228.199] has joined #lisp 06:10:59 desophos [~desophos@cpe-23-240-149-52.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 06:11:40 -!- ebobby [~fms@189.170.17.62] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:17:53 -!- JuanDaugherty [~Ren@cpe-198-255-198-157.buffalo.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:19:35 -!- milosn [~milosn@149.254.250.163] has quit [Quit: leaving] 06:19:35 -!- motionman is now known as Bro 06:21:55 -!- Bro [~motionman@unaffiliated/motionman] has quit [Quit: tschüß] 06:22:47 zimerilim: yes, Genera goes through CLX for main display, only the cold boot stream is done through xlib 06:24:10 angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has joined #lisp 06:32:55 ustunozgur 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Connection reset by peer] 08:59:00 hi 08:59:35 hey robiv 08:59:59 how are you all 09:00:02 1am 09:00:04 party hour 09:00:06 5pm 09:00:20 smashing keyboard now 09:00:33 _5kg [~zifeitong@60.191.2.238] has joined #lisp 09:01:28 jewel [~jewel@197.175.177.140] has joined #lisp 09:02:48 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 09:04:18 frxx [~michael@93-141-90-98.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 09:06:51 Good morning! 09:07:13 -!- frx [~michael@93-138-180-118.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:08:59 ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@78.162.159.160] has joined #lisp 09:12:03 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:13:08 -!- SrPx [b111729b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.177.17.114.155] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:13:30 Code_Man` [~Code_Man@2a02:1205:5000:6420:223:54ff:fe38:82c2] has joined #lisp 09:14:43 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-ojynbbuqfnhmyhlz] has joined #lisp 09:14:43 -!- ramkrsna 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[~user@h-234-51.a161.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #lisp 11:28:26 That's strange. When I try (ql:quickload "iolib") the installation failes, claiming it was unable to allocate memory. I seem to have 400 MB ram free, and plenty of swap... 11:29:25 CrazyEddy [~lesseeshi@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has joined #lisp 11:33:36 bitonic` [~user@ppp-158-169.27-151.libero.it] has joined #lisp 11:34:01 check your ulimit 11:34:27 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:35:44 -!- nostoi [~nostoi@235.Red-79-157-234.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 11:35:51 -!- ehaliewicz [~user@50-0-51-28.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:36:31 -!- CrazyEddy [~lesseeshi@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:37:00 -!- axion [~axion@mail.computer-answers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:37:44 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:42:02 I did, it says unlimited. 11:42:43 First time I tried to install iolib, it said fork failed, so ulimit was the first thing I checked. All subsequent tries have resulted in a memory allocation failer. 11:42:58 I'll check ulimit again, perhaps I'm not checking it correctly... 11:44:38 nenorbot [~ronen@bzq-79-183-117-215.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 11:45:19 -!- ThePhoeron [~thephoero@CPE68b6fcc5ca13-CM68b6fcc5ca10.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:45:44 -!- OldContrarian [~user@h-234-51.a161.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:46:55 ThePhoeron [~thephoero@CPE68b6fcc5ca13-CM68b6fcc5ca10.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 11:46:55 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-2-243.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:50:23 CrazyEddy [~maidenhai@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has joined #lisp 11:55:16 alezost` [~user@128-70-204-126.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 11:56:00 cneira [~cneira@pc-33-7-104-200.cm.vtr.net] has joined #lisp 11:57:50 -!- alezost [~user@128-70-204-126.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Disconnected by services] 11:57:52 -!- desophos [~desophos@cpe-23-240-149-52.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:59:11 OldContrarian [~user@h-234-51.a161.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #lisp 11:59:38 w37 [~user@31.221.13.71] has joined #lisp