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This is only the first day. 01:24:23 ChibaPet, you just reminded me of the Garfield version to that. :) 01:25:13 Alfr: Oh? If you have a link I'd love to see it. 01:26:09 ChibaPet, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TRR8MWn4gE . Hope it still works. 01:27:01 sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 01:27:19 Oh, that rings a bell now. Nice. 01:28:12 -!- stanislav [~stanislav@2.82.66.136] has left #lisp 01:28:21 zRecursive: clisp -norc -q -x '(expt 100 100)' 01:29:41 pjb: i want to use sbcl here, thx 01:30:48 `sbcl --load util.lisp --eval "$1" --non-interactive --no-userinit` works but idk how to disable the banner 01:31:22 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@166.137.107.209] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:31:38 stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 01:32:00 -!- boogie [~boogie@wsip-98-172-168-236.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:32:38 --noinform 01:32:41 right there in the man pae 01:32:43 page 01:33:06 zRecursive: the way to disable the banner is to use clisp -q. 01:33:18 There's no difference between clisp and sbcl for conforming expressions. 01:33:42 ltbarcly [~textual@pool-108-42-99-156.snfcca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 01:34:22 sbcl --help | grep -e --noinform |wc -l --> 0 01:34:42 zRecursive, and you might want to print the result of the computation. 01:34:51 thanks pjb 01:35:20 glad you found a way to be even more obtuse and unhelpful than normal 01:35:57 but that's just sbcl --help | grep -c -- --noinform --> 0 01:36:18 You can't expect people to read the man page anymore nowadays: most systems don't even install them! GNU wants to force you to use info instead of man. On the other hand, you should be able to rely on $cmd --help 01:37:12 I agree that's regretful, but that's how things are. 01:37:13 pjb: it does piss me off when I try "man foo" and get some crap about info coreutils 01:37:23 how is this relevant or helpful to a specific question asked about a specific question 01:37:30 specific system* 01:37:40 nisstyre: indeed. 01:38:14 hey, i need help with some emacs keybindings, can anyone assist? sure, let me tell you how to install vim 01:38:53 There's no difference between sbcl and clisp, for conforming code, and who would try out anything else than conforming code? 01:39:05 Bike: emacs --help | grep -c "key bindings" -> SOL 01:39:29 say it ain't so! 01:39:36 Bike: probably anyone can assist. More so in #emacs. 01:39:51 well, without --help i'm boned, pjb. 01:40:43 in fact, SBCL has NO correspoing option as "-q -q " in CLISP 01:41:27 and clisp doesn't have an option that turns off the banner but doesn't touch the verbosity variables, looks like. shock horror. 01:42:14 what if want the menorah to stay? 01:43:06 Bike: There is no banner when using "clisp -norc -q -q ..." ? 01:44:03 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@pool-108-42-99-156.snfcca.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 01:44:18 sbcl --noinform --no-userinit seems to work about the same as clisp -norc -q 01:44:52 clisp --help mentions -q, but sbcl --help doesn't mention --noinform. What can I say? 01:45:16 you could say nothing, since it's irrelevant 01:45:39 all hail GPL 01:45:42 Bike: right ! `sbcl --help` doesnot tell me, thx. 01:45:48 It's quite relevant: we wouldn't have this discussion if sbcl --help had mentionned --noinform. 01:46:15 emacs --help | grep -c '#emacs' is zero as well, i'm afraid 01:47:22 -!- hiroakip [~hiroaki@77-20-51-63-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:47:57 antgreen [~green@dsl-173-206-65-111.tor.primus.ca] has joined #lisp 01:50:30 too bad this clisp thing refuses to run my conforming programs, so much for promises 01:51:03 By definition, conforming programs run on clisp :-) 01:51:46 well, you can always count on pjb to distort the truth 01:51:55 clisp --help doesn't mention 'conform', this definition must not exist 01:53:30 *|3b|* wonders if any of the people who though this much discussion on the topic also though it was worth filing a bug against sbcl 01:53:44 <|3b|> *thought it was worth this much 01:56:41 tatsuhiko [~user@188.165.96.106] has joined #lisp 02:01:02 -!- shifty` [~user@124-149-115-74.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:01:35 -!- tatsuhiko [~user@188.165.96.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:04:56 -!- loke [~loke@203.127.16.194] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:07:56 seangrove [~user@c-69-181-197-122.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:08:29 -!- nialo [nialo@c-24-147-120-102.hsd1.vt.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:10:33 -!- optikalmouse [~omouse@69-165-245-60.cable.teksavvy.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:12:19 -!- zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:12:24 loke [~loke@203.127.16.194] has joined #lisp 02:12:47 zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 02:13:11 nialo [~nialo@c-24-147-120-102.hsd1.vt.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:14:27 -!- Bike [~Glossina@71-222-50-135.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:16:18 Bike [~Glossina@216-161-90-94.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 02:20:06 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:21:58 -!- Alfr [~Unknown@f053070164.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:24:05 -!- nipra [~nipra@122.177.225.100] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:26:05 slyrus [~chatzilla@udp047553uds.hawaiiantel.net] has joined #lisp 02:35:38 -!- zacts [~zacts@unaffiliated/zacts] has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:41:00 p_nathan1 [~Adium@174-21-165-174.tukw.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 02:42:09 echo-area [~user@182.92.247.2] has joined #lisp 02:45:49 -!- p_nathan1 [~Adium@174-21-165-174.tukw.qwest.net] has quit [Client Quit] 02:50:04 prxq_ [~mommer@x2f66e9a.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #lisp 02:51:35 boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 02:52:55 -!- prxq [~mommer@x2f6c852.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:53:20 -!- ahungry [~null@99-40-10-216.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:53:47 would it be very hard to use a macro to define various instances of a type of a structure, and to have the same macro make a secondary constructor function that uses the make-whatever functional constructor and applies side-effects such as pushing to a database 02:55:12 no, it would not be very hard to do. 02:55:40 Xach: i've gotten it started, would you mind looking at a pastebin if you have a moment? 02:55:43 if you use the clos protocols instead of structures, you can get some of that via e.g. auxiliary methods on initialize-instance or things like that. 02:56:06 nydel: i can take a look 02:56:14 http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6643100/ thanks Xach 02:56:37 i'm trying to make a very simple logging & concurrency modification to my own everyday repl 02:56:55 this involves defining a datum here or there and making instances that will go into a master database 02:57:07 and a lot of cooldown/timer-reminder things 02:57:19 the defcool macro is actually kind of neat i think 02:57:22 let1? 02:57:25 tatsuhiko [~user@188.165.96.106] has joined #lisp 02:57:39 i can't get past loaded-p, sorry. 02:58:19 let1 just gets rid of some parenthesis when you're only using 1 variable in the let 02:58:36 can't get past loaded-p, hmm, let me try to see what you mean 02:58:45 i stopped reading after let1 02:59:01 stassats`: why 02:59:05 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@71-222-160-57.albq.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:59:15 nydel: I don't think it's good to conflate CL packages and ASDF systems 02:59:26 also, the conventional name would be loadedp 02:59:30 ahungry [~null@99-40-10-216.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 02:59:58 the whole ?quickload is a temporary mechanism to avoid me downloading the same systems 100s of times a day while developing 03:00:06 Why would that happen? 03:00:15 Returning a list instead of signaling an actual error is odd. 03:00:17 Also, ql:quickload accepts a list as its first argument. 03:00:27 nydel: because let1 is a horrible idea 03:00:30 wokko [~wokko@CPE-121-223-134-154.lns1.bat.bigpond.net.au] has joined #lisp 03:01:24 Xach: if i quickload :local-time how i have it set up, then when i compile/interpret the entire file again, it doesn't waste resources quickloading it again 03:01:40 -!- tatsuhiko [~user@188.165.96.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:01:42 stassats`: why is let1 a horrible idea? i would swear i thought about it 03:01:51 i don't disagree stassats` i just don't see it yet 03:02:49 does it leak? 03:03:10 let1 tries to solve an non-existing problem by introducing a new construct for an already solved problem, and employing a different syntax, it makes it harder to read for people accustomed to the ordinary LET 03:03:42 , and it doesn't replace LET, you have the code using both constructs, and when you want to add a second variable, you will have to change from let1 to let, and add parenthesis 03:03:46 yacks [~py@103.6.159.103] has joined #lisp 03:03:55 fair enough, i see and respect your point 03:05:21 to be true, i'm not expert with use of macros and may have taken the opportunity to employ a let1 just for writing a macro's sake 03:05:45 if you could perhaps ignore the first section, i'd really love to know what you think about the defcool macro 03:05:46 by substituting common and fundamental constructs (and without good reasons) you're in essence creating a new language, and creating a new language is not the way to communicate your code to other people 03:06:16 this is good point stassats` .. i mean, i know what let looks like with one var, and so do you, so who am i changing it for? 03:06:46 i had good intentions with let1 but i think you are right 03:07:06 anyway, quickload shouldn't do anything when "reloading" a system but check that it's already loaded. 03:07:27 i've seen thousands of lets, and am hardwired for its syntax, let1 unloaded (remove-if #'loaded-p systems/packages) didn't register as binding a variable 03:07:30 nydel: I don't recommend putting loading/compiling/quickloading into source files at any rate, I find it better to define a system that expresses what needs to be done and loading that instead. if nothing needs to be done, nothing will be done. 03:07:34 it looked like a function call 03:07:43 -!- sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 03:08:21 the quickload stuff is for me, so my repl has less output during frequent compiles 03:08:29 it isn't intended to stay 03:08:40 i'll make all of this into a package :cl-fivel later 03:08:56 i should've done that or removed the sloppy stuff before posting, apologies 03:09:29 protip: (mapcar #'(lambda (y) (ql:quickload y)) unloaded) => (mapcar #'quickload unloaded) 03:10:22 moreover, (let ((unloaded )) (when unloaded (mapcar #'quickload unloaded))) => (mapcar #'quickload (remove-if #'loaded-p systems/packages)) 03:10:34 that aside, i've been trying for something like defcool for a while, i don't see any problems with it as written here (aside from use of let1 stassats` but i will change that) but i bet y'all could either denounce it as terrible or give constructive criticism if it's not a lost cause 03:11:47 stassats`: do you use anything like that (a function to avoid duplicate system load calls) or do you agree with Xach that it constitutes not reading any further 03:12:08 (written the ways you've revised not the way i did it) 03:12:11 why are you using stdout instead of *standard-output*? 03:12:41 nydel: i do not perform duplicate system loads 03:12:50 and even if i did, i wouldn't care 03:12:51 Bike: i don't quite understand why. i need to bind in that space something to be *standard-output* else i can't output to *standard-output* inside the thread. 03:12:58 I don't usually like magical variables popping up like stdout and friends. If the variables are important and they can't use standard names, I like to introduce explicit bindings. 03:13:11 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 03:13:53 that is, if i just did (format *standard-output*...) inside the thread, there would either be no output or the thread would not "background" while it slept 03:14:41 that is not really right, i surmise that you're using slime, you have to enable output redirection for threads 03:14:58 slime yes 03:15:22 but i got the same thing inside a sbcl and a clisp not connected to slime or anything 03:15:35 the repl would not accept any commands while the thread was sleeping 03:15:46 is that something i can change with enabling output redirection for threads 03:15:58 you're misinterpreting the causes 03:16:16 binding lexical and special variables has no effect whatsoever on streams 03:18:06 special variables bindings are thread-local, the gray streams slime uses to output to the repl are bound to *standard-output* in the repl thread, causing new threads to see the global *standard-output* value 03:18:26 could you define (wait-then-format (seconds-to-wait string-to-format) ... ) without binding the way i have and such that the repl stays available while the thread sleeps? 03:18:48 enabling global io redirection would solve that. running sbcl or clisp outside of slime is not affected by this 03:19:10 maybe i'm remembering wrong about having the same problem outside of slime 03:19:15 what you did has no effect on the streams 03:19:39 you do understand the practical / observed effect for me though 03:19:46 i do not 03:20:18 without the lexical binding of stdout to *standard-output* before the creation of the thread, the repl becomes locked (does not take or eval input) until the thread is over 03:20:22 that's in slime 03:20:40 _schulte_ [~eschulte@71-222-160-57.albq.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 03:20:49 this can't possibly happen 03:21:05 let me make sure i'm right 03:22:55 -!- echo-area [~user@182.92.247.2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:23:07 i'm totally wrong 03:23:13 but i wasn't at one point in time 03:23:23 what the goodness! 03:23:25 you just misinterpreted something else 03:24:10 echo-area [~user@182.92.247.2] has joined #lisp 03:24:27 oh wait 03:25:45 http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6643290/ creates the thread for the right amount of time but never outputs 03:25:59 is that a slime-specific issue as you were saying? 03:26:13 it outputs to the standard output, not to the repl 03:26:24 which can be found in *inferior-lisp* 03:26:33 enabling global io redirection would solve that 03:26:40 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@71-222-160-57.albq.qwest.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:26:48 _schulte_ [~eschulte@71-222-160-57.albq.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 03:27:51 -!- heddwch [~yoshi@76.8.3.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:27:59 i'm sorry, i do quite follow what you're saying, but i don't quite know how to go about directing the output to the repl 03:28:12 if only there was a manual 03:28:21 if only did it describe global io redirection 03:28:40 be nice now, you know i'm only asking what to look up 03:28:43 :) 03:28:54 Corvidium [~cosman246@187.153.78.196] has joined #lisp 03:29:20 well, how can i be nice if you're still asking? 03:29:40 i'm only kidding, you've been very nice and very helpful, as always 03:30:02 apologies, last query, where do i want to look this particular issue up? hyperspec, documentation for slime? 03:30:03 https://www.google.com/search?q=global+io+redirection 03:30:54 and i fail to see the utility of this whole defcool thing 03:30:56 ok wonderful, within the topic, will i be able to find why and how i misunderstand what's happening with my lexical binding 03:31:40 well stassats` it was largely necessitated by that i seeme to ened to locally bind the standard output in order to write simple cooldown/timer'd functions 03:31:47 so it may have less use than i think 03:32:07 harish [harish@nat/redhat/x-coshioylgycjsiat] has joined #lisp 03:32:09 *seemed to need 03:32:50 i just want to easily define things that become threads and output to the repl as needed 03:32:54 Guest54205 [~n0n0___@75.144.20.73] has joined #lisp 03:33:15 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@71-222-160-57.albq.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:33:43 i found myself writing (let ((stdout *standard-output*)) (make-thread .... an awful lot so you may see why i wanted to macro my way out of typing that all the time 03:33:56 _schulte_ [~eschulte@71-222-160-57.albq.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 03:35:52 nipra [~nipra@122.177.181.4] has joined #lisp 03:36:35 n0n0_ [~n0n0___@32.159.39.115] has joined #lisp 03:37:11 nilsi__ [~nilsi@121.224.72.218] has joined #lisp 03:38:08 -!- Guest54205 [~n0n0___@75.144.20.73] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:39:28 stassats`: setting swank:*globally-redirect-io* t seems to have solved things in slime and i see the flaw in my understanding of what was happening 03:39:37 thank you very kindly for your guidance on this one 03:39:51 `sbcl --noinform --non-interactive --no-userinit --eval "(expt 100 2)` will output nthing but `clisp -q -q -x "(expt 100 2)"` => 10000 ? 03:40:35 -!- nilsi_ [~nilsi@121.224.72.218] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:40:40 yes 03:42:49 (also for what it's worth i completely understand your frustration with me on this one now, if that possibly restores any of your faith in humankind etc) 03:43:12 ltbarcly [~textual@pool-108-42-99-156.snfcca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 03:43:14 i'm not really frustrated 03:43:32 well it'd be justified were you. 03:43:35 not everybody understands all the inner-workings and can see what's going on under the hood right away 03:43:51 (they should! it makes everything so much easier!) 03:44:50 that's why i like it here. normally i can just look stuff up. but when i miss the whole point, such as above, it's so much simpler to just ask after what i should be looking up than to blindly guess. 03:45:06 n0n0__ 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The result is (* 2 5 6 7 9) 06:01:08 _schulte_ [~eschulte@71-222-160-57.albq.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 06:01:18 reduce, apply 06:01:19 -!- zophy [~sy@host-94-20-107-208.midco.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:01:33 Guthur`` [~user@eth2845.sa.adsl.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 06:01:49 -!- normanrichards [~textual@70.114.215.220] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:02:08 Bike: How about dynamic list ? 06:02:31 i.e., from 100 to 1000 06:03:03 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@udp047553uds.hawaiiantel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:03:18 do i have to use (loop ...) to create list before using reduce/apply ? 06:03:43 -!- Guthur` [~user@eth2845.sa.adsl.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:04:14 -!- tatsuhiko [~user@188.165.96.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:04:21 -!- GuilOooo [~GuilOooo@mlir.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:04:22 -!- nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:04:22 -!- _5kg [~zifeitong@60.191.2.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:04:22 -!- lemoinem [~swoog@72.53.108.73] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:04:54 lemoinem [~swoog@72.53.108.73] has joined #lisp 06:04:57 In Wolfram Mathematica there is a way to change the head of expression. In case of '(2 5 6 7 9) the head will be "list" and in case of (* 2 5 6 7 9) the head is "*". So one would just need to change the head to be "*". 06:04:57 -!- eagleflo [~aku@eagleflow.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:04:59 -!- Roin [1006@unaffiliated/roin] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:04:59 -!- kbtr [~kbtr@li198-73.members.linode.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:05:04 eagleflo [~aku@eagleflow.fi] has joined #lisp 06:05:10 Can this somehow be done in lisp? 06:05:23 kbtr [~kbtr@li198-73.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 06:05:26 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@71-222-160-57.albq.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:06:09 wow ! 06:06:15 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:06:18 -!- vaporatorius is now known as Vaporatorius 06:07:04 zRecursive: don't build up a list then 06:07:12 mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has joined #lisp 06:07:37 Roin [1006@unaffiliated/roin] has joined #lisp 06:07:49 sheilong [~sabayonus@unaffiliated/sheilong] has joined #lisp 06:07:53 _5kg [~zifeitong@60.191.2.238] has joined #lisp 06:08:57 nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 06:09:01 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@li94-204.members.linode.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:10:19 STilda: If the expression is a Lisp list, then you can just do (setf (car expr) ...). 06:10:33 STilda: But maybe I am not understanding what it is what you want to do. 06:10:43 GuilOooo [~GuilOooo@mlir.info] has joined #lisp 06:10:44 whoa 06:10:50 (setq robiv 'high) 06:11:00 Bike: (reduce #'* (loop for i from 1 to 100 collect i)) 06:11:11 right ? 06:12:17 you could do that, but (loop for total = 1 then (* total i) for i from 1 to 100 finally (return total)) or such like might be better 06:12:27 zacts [~user@unaffiliated/zacts] has joined #lisp 06:13:19 ltbarcly [~textual@li94-204.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 06:13:35 ok 06:13:46 since you don't build up an intermediate list that way 06:15:25 -!- slarti [~anonymous@104-252-AGAVEBB-NM.abq.nm.agavebb.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:15:54 -!- flame_ [~flame_@unaffiliated/flame/x-0205742] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 06:15:59 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 06:18:54 Bike: that seems not to work. If I have (setf lst (list 1 2 3)) then (car lst) == 1 and my goal is to get to "list" place in "(list 1 2 3)" and change it to "*". 06:19:15 did you mean beach 06:19:30 Bike: oh, yes, sorry 06:19:32 your goal seems confsed 06:19:39 -!- nydel [nydel@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-knvqnwwiowhpuhme] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:19:48 nydel [nydel@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-nsaqyvbnzutqstxi] has joined #lisp 06:20:47 STilda: Well, I said "if the expression is a Lisp list", but in your example, the list is just (1 2 3) not (list 1 2 3). 06:21:46 STilda: So you need to keep the expression rather than the result of evaluating the expression. 06:22:13 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@li94-204.members.linode.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:23:15 (let ((expr (copy-list '(list 1 2 3)))) (setf (car expr) '*) expr) 06:23:16 beach: yes, I see. Mathematica use symbolic computations heavily, so this is equivalent to what you say. 06:23:43 STilda: I am using COPY-LIST because you are not allowed to modify constant data in CL. 06:23:57 hm 06:24:06 maybe (list 'list 1 2 3) would make it clearer 06:24:17 Bike: Yes, maybe so. 06:25:13 Why not cons * on the front? (cons '* (list 1 2 3)) 06:25:54 beach: Bike: ok, how then I compute the resulting expr? 06:25:55 ggole: Well, maybe. Since STilda is probably a bit confused, it is hard to tell what he really wants. 06:26:04 STilda: (eval expr) 06:26:23 ltbarcly [~textual@li94-204.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 06:26:27 STilda: But this is probably not really what you want. 06:26:40 (apply #'apply expr) :p 06:26:49 STilda: what are you trying to do? 06:26:55 STilda: But since we don't know what you are really trying to do, it is hard to say what the best solution is. 06:27:20 hm, that doesn't work. must have gotten a wire crossed somewhere 06:27:35 Bike: Good plan though :) 06:27:35 hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@94.137.16.253] has joined #lisp 06:27:35 oh, yea, duh. ignore me. 06:29:18 (apply #'funcall '(* 1 2 3))? 06:29:18 -!- ahungry [~null@99-40-10-216.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:29:29 showoff 06:29:50 ggole: works! 06:30:13 ahungry [~null@99-40-10-216.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 06:30:44 awesome ! 06:30:47 STilda: Probably not what you want though. 06:31:38 _schulte_ [~eschulte@71-222-160-57.albq.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 06:31:40 sword [~sword@c-24-21-33-225.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 06:31:44 beach: it look like that does what I want. I want to do this trick with data that can come into function as argument. 06:32:16 STilda: You might be in for some surprise then. 06:32:30 STilda: For instance, the lexical environment is not going to be taken into account. 06:32:50 STilda: So, again, it is better if you try to explain what it is that you are really trying to do. 06:33:37 ggole: beach: actually this is not real solution as number of arguments that "*" can handle is limited. 06:33:39 patbarron [~pat@pool-173-75-28-121.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 06:33:57 *sigh* 06:34:18 i'm with beach on this one 06:34:27 STilda: If you would *please* say what it is that you want to accomplish, I am sure an appropriate solution could be suggested. 06:35:08 STilda: I want to mimic the approach that exists in Wolfram Mathematica. When I have a list of numbers there, I just can replace the type of that object from "List" to "*" and it automaticaly will consider it as product of numbers. 06:35:50 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@71-222-160-57.albq.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:35:54 STilda: So something like (reduce #'* list-of-numbers) is somehow unacceptable? 06:35:56 And I was just curious if this trick some how possible in lisp 06:36:17 STilda: It is entirely possible that such a "trick" may not be needed in Lisp. 06:36:45 _schulte_ [~eschulte@71-222-160-57.albq.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 06:37:06 STilda: why do you want to do that? Are you going to be manipulating the expression symbolically, say, integrating it? 06:37:09 beach: I understand, and possibly reduce can be completely equivalent. I have to consider it. 06:40:41 ggole: I have no real task for this, just was curious. 06:41:02 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@71-222-160-57.albq.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:41:03 -!- fridim_ [~fridim@bas2-montreal07-2925317577.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:41:14 angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has joined #lisp 06:41:51 _schulte_ [~eschulte@71-222-160-57.albq.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 06:42:16 but I like that "(apply #'funcall ....)" thank you. 06:43:14 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@li94-204.members.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:43:47 ltbarcly [~textual@li94-204.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 06:44:17 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@li94-204.members.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:44:48 ltbarcly [~textual@li94-204.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 06:45:28 STilda: How about (eval '(* 1 2 3)) ? 06:46:15 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@71-222-160-57.albq.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:46:59 _schulte_ [~eschulte@71-222-160-57.albq.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 06:47:24 -!- p_nathan1 [~Adium@174-21-165-174.tukw.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:51:09 haxx [~Rob@135-23-80-105.cpe.pppoe.ca] has joined #lisp 06:51:23 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@71-222-160-57.albq.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:53:17 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@li94-204.members.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:56:45 zRecursive: works as well 06:57:06 _schulte_ [~eschulte@71-222-160-57.albq.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 06:57:35 zRecursive: for limited list length 06:57:58 apply is better though 06:59:31 ltbarcly [~textual@pool-108-42-99-156.snfcca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 07:00:21 tatsuhiko [~user@188.165.96.106] has joined #lisp 07:04:55 -!- tatsuhiko [~user@188.165.96.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:04:55 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@71-222-160-57.albq.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:05:16 _schulte_ [~eschulte@71-222-160-57.albq.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 07:07:37 -!- zRecursive [~czsq888@183.12.89.54] has left #lisp 07:07:54 -!- sheilong [~sabayonus@unaffiliated/sheilong] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 07:10:13 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@71-222-160-57.albq.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:11:17 -!- Quark__ [~rett@64.124.28.131] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 07:11:31 STilda: the problem with apply or even (eval (cons '* list)) is that the CL standard lets implementation restrict the number of argument to a function call so that implementation may optimize code generation. The limit is indicated by call-arguments-limit, and can be as small as 50. 07:12:22 So you could write: (if (< (length arguments) call-arguments-limit) (apply (function *) arguments) (reduce (function *) arguments)) 07:13:19 pjb: yes, makes sense, thank you 07:13:20 Guest82448 [~rett@64.124.28.131] has joined #lisp 07:14:03 macdice` [~user@46-65-10-191.zone16.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 07:15:24 _schulte_ [~eschulte@71-222-160-57.albq.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 07:15:41 -!- bjorkintosh [~bjork@ip68-13-229-200.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:16:02 -!- macdice [~user@46-65-10-191.zone16.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:16:22 -!- Roin [1006@unaffiliated/roin] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:19:02 -!- nipra [~nipra@122.177.181.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:20:53 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@71-222-160-57.albq.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:21:33 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 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Using a symbol instead of a string will cause the resulting symbol's name to be the result of the reader's case conversion. 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single-float. For example, an integer. 10:04:38 clhs coerce 10:04:39 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_coerce.htm 10:04:56 beach: Thanks (ta in English) 10:05:37 "ta"? 10:05:39 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:06:01 przl [~przlrkt@pD9FACE16.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 10:07:52 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@88.231.56.107] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:10:01 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-obifdwwseiqpuaxi] has joined #lisp 10:10:01 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-obifdwwseiqpuaxi] has quit [Changing host] 10:10:01 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has joined #lisp 10:10:08 beach: The word "ta" is an English expression which means "thanks" 10:10:29 Never heard it before. 10:10:33 -!- przl [~przlrkt@pD9FACE16.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:10:36 Must be a recent invention. 10:10:43 If I have the name of a special variable as a string, how would I go about setting that special variable? 10:10:53 It may well be London slang. It has been in existence for hundreds of years. 10:11:17 Shinmera: INTERN it, then use (SETF SYMBOL-VALUE). 10:11:31 Poenikatu: I see. 10:11:39 ah, symbol-value is what I was looking for. Thanks a bunch! 10:11:45 rudi [~rudi@1x-193-157-249-166.uio.no] has joined #lisp 10:11:59 Shinmera: Anytime! 10:12:17 beach: Did you enjoy the last two days? 10:12:20 Poenikatu: How is it pronounced? Like "tah" or "tay"? 10:12:27 The first 10:13:06 Poenikatu: The last two days weren't too bad. Ta! 10:13:06 przl [~przlrkt@pD9FACE16.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 10:13:08 -!- echo-area [~user@182.92.247.2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:13:16 What does the expression (vector * 3) mean? 10:13:34 beach: Family time for you? 10:13:43 Poenikatu: Yes, small one though. 10:14:16 beach: Next week, Scots will be celebrating Hogmanay, which these days is one long booze-up 10:14:34 I see. 10:14:52 Seriously, what does (vector * 3) mean? Is it a type specifier? 10:15:13 Poenikatu: A vector of length 3 with any type of elements. 10:15:22 clhs vector 10:15:22 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/a_vector.htm 10:16:24 clhs gives (coerce '(a b c) (vector * 4)) as generating an error; but using (vector * 3) also gnerates an error. 10:16:36 *generates 10:17:17 Try (coerce '(a b c) '(vector * 3)) 10:17:40 COERCE is a function, so you need to quote the type descriptor. 10:17:59 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Excess Flood] 10:19:10 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 10:19:35 beach: Thanks a lot. Having read Graham's "ANSI Common Lisp", I now realise that I have rudimentary knowledge of Lisp. 10:19:44 *a rudi... 10:20:05 Poenikatu: It's a start. 10:20:28 -!- przl [~przlrkt@pD9FACE16.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:20:34 In particular, Graham has not explained why OOP is useful. So far, it appears merley to be an opportunity of using more jargon. 10:21:09 Yes, he has is own particular style and (as I recall) is not into object-oriented programming. 10:21:10 beach: I can see that "the start" will have to be augmented somewhat. 10:21:36 I recommend PAIP next. 10:21:37 _schulte_ [~eschulte@71-222-160-57.albq.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 10:21:52 minion: Please tell Poenikatu about PAIP. 10:21:53 PAIP: No definition was found in the first 5 lines of http://www.cliki.net/PAIP 10:21:54 beach: Yes, that is my distinct impression. His book "On Lisp" is mainly about macros. I have ordered Sonya Keene's book on CLOS. 10:22:23 beach: Is `minion' a bot? 10:22:31 minion: are you a bot? 10:22:31 i'm not a bot. i prefer the term ``electronically composed''. 10:22:57 Keene's book feels somewhat old. "Paradigms of Artificial Intelligence Programming" is a very good book. 10:23:15 beach: Since when can bots describe themselves? All that work just to make minion seem like a person. 10:23:19 -!- vinian [~vinian@218.241.129.62] has left #lisp 10:23:46 Don't know. I didn't create minion. 10:24:30 minion: Why did your creator spend all that work to make you seem like a person? 10:24:30 does torturing a poor bot with things beyond its comprehension please you? 10:24:42 minion: Sorry! 10:24:42 you should be sorry 10:26:04 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@71-222-160-57.albq.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:26:34 Poenikatu: to some people (like me), making silly bots like this is fun. I don't know who made minion, but I like it. 10:29:56 beach: Yes, I'll get a copy of PAIP: look's useful. Does it have many illustrations? If so, maybe the Kindle edition would not be sensible. 10:31:13 Shinmera: I can see that that kind of programming could, indeed, be fun. I am learning CL in order to write GUI utilities (hence my starting to read the CLIM spec.) 10:31:53 -!- lyanchih [~lyanchih@118-163-141-228.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: lyanchih] 10:32:02 dcguru [~chatzilla@66.129.60.130] has joined #lisp 10:33:00 It would appear that Lisp books are generally rather expensive because their intended audience is rather small. 10:33:21 And because many are old and out of print. 10:33:57 Though I've found that generally programming books tend to be in the really expensive range once you get out of the beginners area. 10:33:59 Poenikatu: I am currently reading PAIP and enjoying it greatly. The kindle version has some issues, though: it appears to have been machine OCR'ed without being edited afterwards, and so in-line mentions of lisp functions have often been mangled. The code samples are given as pictures, which are reduced to a tiny tiny size on high DPI screens and (at least in the android kindle app) it doesn't see 10:33:59 m possible to enlarge them. 10:34:37 -!- pootler [mervyn@c1pe.x.rootbsd.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:35:43 Poenikatu: The CLIM spec is also a great illustration of object-oriented programming using CLOS. 10:36:02 Poenikatu: Do you know about the "annotatatable" CLIM spec? 10:36:23 -!- jewel [~jewel@197.169.121.235] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:36:25 http://bauhh.dyndns.org:8000/clim-spec/index.html 10:40:24 beach: Thanks for the URL. I've just bought PAIP from Amazon UK (`free' delivery - you just love these marketing terms!) as a paperback. I take your point, Vivitron, that the illustrations are too small to read easily (a common defect of Kindle non-fiction books). 10:40:58 beach: Did you mean "annotatable"? 10:41:10 Yes. 10:42:06 What it means, miskeying. I can see the advantage of the Emacs key sequence C-h l. The last time I tried to use it, I still couldn't find out what I did to get where I got to. Ah! 10:42:22 baboon` [~user@188.73.8.88] has joined #lisp 10:42:41 stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 10:43:26 Poenikatu: Yes, but it doesn't have illustrations exactly (or at least not many), it's the lisp code placed between paragraphs. 10:44:28 Vivitron: Learning Lisp is clearly an ongoing process. It is easily the hardest language I've ever met in 46 years of programming. 10:45:10 Poenikatu: I am willing to bet that it will also be the most pleasurable to learn. 10:45:14 i don't think you're being objective in your estimation 10:45:30 Vivitron: I notice that Grahams' book ACL is prone to having `figures' which consist of snippets of code. 10:45:51 beach: I reckon you're right. The possible use of lists is infinite. 10:46:20 stassats`: Eh? 10:46:22 Poenikatu: Though modern CL programming is a lot more object-oriented than it is about using lists. 10:46:47 beach: But lists are used to express everything except atoms. 10:47:04 lists are the most trivial part of CL 10:47:07 Lists are about the easiest concept. 10:47:07 _schulte_ [~eschulte@71-222-160-57.albq.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 10:47:57 Poenikatu: Yes, except atoms can be very complex, such as classes, hash tables, arrays, etc. 10:48:46 Shinmera: You're right there. The hardest part of reading ACL and learning CL is trying to understand the new terminology. So far, I don't think there's that much in OOP. True, Algol 68, my previous favourite language, had no OOP, but from what I've seen of CLOS in ACL, the hardest part is generic functions. 10:49:18 Poenikatu: So in fact atoms (in the form of classes, class instances, generic functions, etc.) are probably used more than lists in modern CL programming. 10:49:19 you seem to be spending more time in saying how hard CL is instead of actually learning it 10:49:53 Coming from Java CLOS was a real delight to learn for me. There isn't anything particularly hard about it imo. 10:50:36 Yes, in fact, CLOS is conceptually much simpler than traditional single-dispatch OO programming (in my opinion, of course). 10:50:39 -!- dcguru [~chatzilla@66.129.60.130] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:51:48 ferada [~ferada@37.221.196.86] has joined #lisp 10:52:07 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@71-222-160-57.albq.qwest.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:52:14 beach: Surely, a class definition is specified using some kind of list, where the parts of the list have new meanings? 10:52:14 _schulte_ [~eschulte@71-222-160-57.albq.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 10:52:47 -!- aftershave [~textual@h-238-41.a336.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 10:52:49 stassats`: That's not true. I have just finished (last night) reading ACL by Graham. 10:52:50 Poenikatu: If you mean that source code is mainly expressed as lists, yeah sure. 10:53:08 aftershave [~textual@h-238-41.a336.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #lisp 10:53:20 dcguru [~chatzilla@66.129.60.130] has joined #lisp 10:53:48 beach: Because I've never done any OO programming at all, single-dispatch has no meaning to me. At least, not yet. 10:54:14 Poenikatu: Then CLOS will be even easier to learn. 10:54:28 Why aren't you reading PCL? It introduces CLOS quite nicely imho. 10:54:37 beach: That's what makes Lisp formdidable to many mainstream programmers. 10:55:15 Okasu [~1@unaffiliated/okasu] has joined #lisp 10:55:18 1+1=window, 2+2=fish, 3+3=8, and 7+7=triangle!!!! 10:55:27 well, you haven't been keeping up with programming languages for 40 years, of course it's hard 10:55:37 pootler [mervyn@c1pe.x.rootbsd.net] has joined #lisp 10:56:04 Shinmera: I've tried reading PCL, but the lack of an index and the lack of exercises make it a bad teaching book, imho. 10:56:40 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@71-222-160-57.albq.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:56:58 try learning C++ and then tell me what's hard 10:57:02 or Java, or Haskell 10:57:12 Or ATS 10:57:21 _schulte_ [~eschulte@71-222-160-57.albq.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 10:57:24 That one was the worst I've ever tried to get started with 10:58:10 C++ has been the worst experience for me so far. 10:58:36 Poenikatu: what do you mean by "lack of an index"? 10:58:54 Shinmera: Yeah, C++ is pretty terrible too 10:59:09 Poenikatu: and the exercises are whatever you want to do yourself. Play around with the examples and projects of the book. Change things. 10:59:20 loke: Go ahead try and to start with J. I guess that one have steepest learning curve. 10:59:39 Okasu: I'm doing APL right now, and it's like an easier-to-read version of J 10:59:53 Ha-ha, agreed. 10:59:53 but harder-to-write 10:59:58 harder-to-type 11:00:19 stassats`: That's why I have spent some time building an Emacs mode for it :-) 11:01:15 There are plenty of APL implemenations nowadays, it was pleasure to work with Dyalog APL, default keybinding are awesome there. 11:01:27 and i don't need APL, i can already do {n   : (< n 3)} or  n  (1 2 3 4 5): (evenp n) in CL 11:01:35 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@71-222-160-57.albq.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:02:28 _schulte_ [~eschulte@71-222-160-57.albq.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 11:02:40 -!- arbscht [~arbscht@fsf/member/arbscht] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 11:03:11 KaiQ [~localhost@p5B2B2381.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 11:03:45 and factorial is just  k = 1  6 k => 720 11:04:24 as in https://github.com/stassats/closer-apl/blob/master/examples.lisp 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string))) 18:55:39 -!- cory786 [~cory@adsl-75-22-101-128.dsl.bumttx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:55:58 stassats: or you can concatenate "(" and ")".. 19:11:50 Joreji [~thomas@77-23-110-134-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 19:17:00 -!- ggole [~ggole@106-69-4-121.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [] 19:17:35 -!- Davidbrcz_ [~david@88.115.137.88.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:18:31 -!- flame_ [~flame_@unaffiliated/flame/x-0205742] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 19:21:55 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@pool-108-42-99-156.snfcca.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:22:10 knob [~knob@76.76.202.245] has joined #lisp 19:22:52 ltbarcly [~textual@pool-108-42-99-156.snfcca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 19:25:04 Srpx [b1289274@gateway/web/freenode/ip.177.40.146.116] has joined #lisp 19:26:11 -!- prxq_ is now known as prxq 19:26:48 cory786 [~cory@rrcs-98-102-7-98.central.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 19:27:39 Is lambda calculus without self application `x x` turing complete? 19:28:40 -!- uta [~user@CPE7cb21bcc146d-CM7cb21bcc146a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:29:12 instead of \x -> x x use \x -> (\y -> x y) x, self-application free! offtopic though 19:31:28 sellout- [~Adium@c-68-83-156-30.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:35:23 francogrex [~user@9.175-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #lisp 19:35:49 can one find a pdf version of the hyperspec ? 19:36:37 -!- sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:36:47 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 19:37:47 Hm, maybe convert the texinfo version to pdf. 19:40:55 -!- joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@086.112-30-64.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:41:22 is there a texinfo version? how to convert it? 19:43:47 francogrex: I read about it here: http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/CommonLispHyperspec 19:44:23 francogrex: It seems to be part of the gcl distribution, am looking for it right now. Texinfo can be converted to pdf for example with "texi2pdf". 19:45:29 (the download link from the emacswiki however does not go straight to the texinfo variant, but right to info files, which won't help for any conversion to pdf) 19:45:48 ok 19:46:20 alexherbo2 [~alexherbo@APlessis-Bouchard-154-1-68-79.w90-35.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 19:46:58 I found this: https://github.com/Hexstream/clhs/tree/master/HyperSpec-7-0/ 19:47:20 alexherbo21 [~alexherbo@mawercer.de] has joined #lisp 19:48:47 -!- joast [~rick@cpe-24-160-56-92.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:48:48 That's only the HTML version, isn't it? 19:50:32 yes htmls 19:52:43 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:54:28 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@78.162.159.160] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:59:12 -!- sellout- [~Adium@c-68-83-156-30.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:59:28 drmeister [~drmeister@ip24-250-59-12.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #lisp 20:00:53 Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 20:03:11 resttime [~resttime@c-50-158-65-143.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:03:19 -!- STilda [~kvirc@188.162.166.16] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:03:45 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@ip24-250-59-12.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:04:24 nug700 [~nug700@75-167-35-21.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 20:06:28 slyrus [~chatzilla@udp047553uds.hawaiiantel.net] has joined #lisp 20:07:39 francogrex: It seems that the source of these .info files isn't included anywhere in the gcl distribution or on GNU's FTP-server. Maybe it's all based on gcl.texi in ftp://ftp.ma.utexas.edu/pub/gcl/gcl-info+texi.tgz It should be possible to create a PDF document from that with texi2pdf gcl.texi, 20:09:07 francogrex: but I get error messages when I try, maybe because the files are for an outdated version of mkinfo (or how that tool was called again). So, hm, sorry. :) 20:12:19 -!- ikki [~ikki@201.164.189.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:15:25 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-71-197.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:17:16 joast [~rick@cpe-24-160-56-92.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 20:18:09 bgs100 [~nitrogen@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #lisp 20:18:43 -!- alexherbo2 [~alexherbo@APlessis-Bouchard-154-1-68-79.w90-35.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:20:23 it's ok Riviera i will muck around with those a little something will come out eventually 20:21:32 okies :) 20:21:34 -!- beach [~user@ABordeaux-651-1-234-131.w109-215.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #lisp 20:24:03 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:24:54 -!- francogrex [~user@9.175-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:25:30 ikki [~ikki@187.208.175.79] has joined #lisp 20:25:35 ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@78.162.159.160] has joined #lisp 20:25:44 -!- pnpuff [~harmonic@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has left #lisp 20:29:26 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:30:08 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@78.162.159.160] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:32:06 alexherbo2 [~alexherbo@APlessis-Bouchard-154-1-61-146.w90-3.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 20:32:46 sellout- [~Adium@68.83.156.30] has joined #lisp 20:37:59 -!- nicholasbulka [~nicholasb@c-71-229-50-52.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: nicholasbulka] 20:46:15 -!- cory786 [~cory@rrcs-98-102-7-98.central.biz.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:46:51 stanislav [~stanislav@2.82.66.136] has joined #lisp 20:47:51 drmeister [~drmeister@ip24-250-59-12.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #lisp 20:48:02 -!- sellout- [~Adium@68.83.156.30] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:49:43 -!- stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 20:50:16 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@udp047553uds.hawaiiantel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:51:23 -!- victor_n [~ste@192-0-201-214.cpe.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:54:38 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-71-197.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 20:57:26 -!- alexherbo21 [~alexherbo@mawercer.de] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 20:58:09 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@ip24-250-59-12.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:00:23 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-164-210.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:00:38 oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-132-93.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 21:03:23 foreignFunction1 [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has joined #lisp 21:03:25 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:05:13 -!- DarkMatter [~unknown@87-126-109-151.btc-net.bg] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:08:37 slyrus [~chatzilla@udp047553uds.hawaiiantel.net] has joined #lisp 21:17:12 nicholasbulka [~nicholasb@108.212.80.206] has joined #lisp 21:18:40 davazp [~user@170.Red-83-63-202.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 21:18:58 ehu [ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 21:19:36 ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@78.162.159.160] has joined #lisp 21:23:51 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@78.162.159.160] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:28:22 drmeister [~drmeister@ip24-250-59-12.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #lisp 21:37:35 tomaw- [tom@freenode/staff/tomaw] has joined #lisp 21:40:25 -!- Joreji [~thomas@77-23-110-134-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:41:44 nenorbot [~ronen@77.125.139.151] has joined #lisp 21:43:13 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@ip24-250-59-12.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:44:03 -!- davazp [~user@170.Red-83-63-202.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:45:33 does anyone know if any of the myriad attempts at LLVM compilation of sbcl are ongoing? 21:46:02 googling I can find many people mentioning starting it, and a few repos where it's kindof hacked in 21:46:27 I guess I'm saying, is it worth it for me to take a shot at it or is there someone who knows what they are doing working on it :) 21:47:45 -!- nicholasbulka [~nicholasb@108.212.80.206] has quit [Quit: nicholasbulka] 21:47:45 ltbarcly: as far as I can tell, noone is active on it 21:48:22 -!- tomaw- [tom@freenode/staff/tomaw] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 21:49:10 antonv: looking at the various assembly backends, the cleanest (at least shortest) seems to be alpha. would it be a good approach to try to port the alpha assembly to llvm? 21:49:43 ltbarcly: I can't really comment on it 21:50:07 tomaw- [tom@freenode/staff/tomaw] has joined #lisp 21:50:08 ltbarcly: i read sbcl-devel and don't see anyone working on llvm backend, not can't advice on the implementation 21:50:30 -!- JuanDaugherty [~Ren@cpe-198-255-198-157.buffalo.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:51:39 cory786 [~cory@adsl-75-22-101-128.dsl.bumttx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 21:51:43 hiroakip [~hiroaki@p54A6ADCA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 22:01:02 -!- alezost [~user@128-70-204-126.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 22:02:25 przl [~przlrkt@p4FE6448B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 22:07:14 Bike_ [~Glossina@71-214-86-192.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 22:08:20 -!- Bike [~Glossina@67-5-224-68.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:09:27 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p4FE6448B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:10:12 przl [~przlrkt@p4FE6448B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 22:12:13 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.220.55] has joined #lisp 22:12:30 -!- Bike_ is now known as Bike 22:15:22 wokko [~wokko@CPE-121-223-134-154.lns1.bat.bigpond.net.au] has joined #lisp 22:20:20 http://kingjamesprogramming.tumblr.com/post/69683449843/ <-- the prophecy has spoken 22:20:41 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p4FE6448B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:20:51 ltbarcly: what exactly is "LLVM compilation of SBCL"? 22:21:23 LLVM as the machine-code generation backend for SBCL? 22:23:21 -!- Codynyx [~cody@c-75-72-193-178.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:24:26 drmeister [~drmeister@ip24-250-59-12.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #lisp 22:26:54 przl [~przlrkt@p4FE6448B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 22:27:55 -!- hiroakip [~hiroaki@p54A6ADCA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:28:45 -!- CrazyEddy [~cabernet@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:31:00 Codynyx [~cody@c-75-72-193-178.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:31:05 makc [~user@cpe-24-90-53-240.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 22:31:24 -!- makc is now known as Guest26302 22:32:02 ltbarcly: also I think this is salient for your project: http://kingjamesprogramming.tumblr.com/post/69177005497/ 22:34:19 /whois redline6561 22:34:25 -!- Guest26302 [~user@cpe-24-90-53-240.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 22:34:31 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:34:46 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:38:27 davazp [~user@170.Red-83-63-202.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 22:39:06 JuanDaugherty [~Ren@cpe-198-255-198-157.buffalo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 22:39:45 -!- LiamH [~healy@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:42:19 -!- fortitude [~mts@rrcs-24-97-165-124.nys.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:44:38 -!- foreignFunction1 is now known as foreignFunction 22:44:52 seangrove [~user@c-69-181-197-122.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:45:39 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-71-197.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:48:02 francogrex [~user@9.175-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #lisp 22:48:19 -!- alexherbo2 [~alexherbo@APlessis-Bouchard-154-1-61-146.w90-3.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3-dev] 22:48:30 alexherbo2 [~alexherbo@mawercer.de] has joined #lisp 22:49:39 -!- ikki [~ikki@187.208.175.79] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:50:08 CrazyEddy [~brainless@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has joined #lisp 22:54:03 -!- yacks [~py@103.6.159.103] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:56:18 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@ip24-250-59-12.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:59:25 Davidbrcz_ [~david@88.115.137.88.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 23:04:23 -!- francogrex [~user@9.175-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 23:07:49 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.220.55] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:07:59 -!- alexherbo2 [~alexherbo@mawercer.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:10:32 jaccas [~pjfcl@3.182.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lisp 23:11:36 -!- jaccas [~pjfcl@3.182.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Client Quit] 23:14:25 -!- CrazyEddy [~brainless@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:14:47 Sgeo [~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 23:15:22 jaccas [~pjfcl@3.182.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lisp 23:16:10 alexherbo2 [~alexherbo@mawercer.de] has joined #lisp 23:19:00 -!- lman [~user@unaffiliated/lman] has quit [Quit: sleeping] 23:20:00 -!- Davidbrcz_ [~david@88.115.137.88.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:21:52 -!- jaccas [~pjfcl@3.182.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:22:17 jaccas [~pjfcl@3.182.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lisp 23:25:12 Ethan- [~Ethan-@60-248-176-37.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 23:25:17 -!- KaiQ [~localhost@p5B2B2381.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:25:42 ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@78.162.159.160] has joined #lisp 23:29:04 -!- Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: ZzZZ] 23:30:31 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@78.162.159.160] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:31:00 -!- davazp [~user@170.Red-83-63-202.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:34:50 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 23:45:25 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p4FE6448B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:51:39 davazp [~user@170.Red-83-63-202.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 23:54:42 drmeister [~drmeister@ip24-250-59-12.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #lisp 23:57:29 -!- rvchangue [~rvchangue@unaffiliated/rvchangue] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:58:25 -!- Code_Man` [~Code_Man@2a02:1205:5000:6410:223:54ff:fe38:82c2] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:59:12 rvchangue [~rvchangue@unaffiliated/rvchangue] has joined #lisp