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There is also CLANG installed 05:26:48 you shouldn't 05:26:54 ok 05:26:59 you canish 05:27:12 ? 05:28:53 can-ish, as in it will sort-of not-really work 05:29:06 There is sbcl-1.1.12,1 in freebst repo, however it even canot run ~/quicklisp/setup.lisp ... 05:30:32 zacharias_ [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 05:30:45 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-166-207.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:30:49 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@pool-108-42-99-156.snfcca.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 05:31:25 oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-190-116.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 05:33:01 freebsd, tough luck 05:33:33 -!- zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:33:43 your original question would be "why nobody tests sbcl on freebsd" 05:34:50 Does sbcl only work well on Linux ? 05:35:00 n0n0 [~n0n0___@2602:306:c410:500:98ee:bf1a:74ac:5be7] has joined #lisp 05:35:21 yes 05:35:29 -!- munge 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is, require? 06:34:47 no, whatever zRecursive is doing 06:35:41 Bike: after (rquire :asdf), (asdf:oos 'asdf:load-op :clx) doesnot work 06:35:53 Component :CLX not found 06:35:59 well, naturally 06:36:12 how would it know where to find it? 06:36:18 yes, clx is probably... a quicklisp system! 06:36:24 who knew, right/ 06:36:39 what's the problem with quicklisp/setup.lisp? 06:36:59 zRecursive is dumping an image, and they don't want quicklisp in it. 06:37:05 then what does http://paste.lisp.org/display/140665 mean ? 06:37:17 Bike: yeah 06:37:24 it means that you're not listening 06:38:17 -!- p_nathan [~Adium@174-21-165-174.tukw.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:38:19 In fact, i have done successfully using CLISP before 06:38:47 by (load "~/quicklisp/asdf") 06:39:51 stassats: quicklisp/setup.lisp is ok though 06:40:58 quicklisp's asdf is old and doesn't have this package and bla bla bla you don't care 06:41:23 p_nathan [~Adium@174-21-165-174.tukw.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 06:41:41 so, i'd like to know, when you do (load "~/quicklisp/asdf"), you do (push #p".../clx-20121125-git/" asdf:*central-registry*), then what convinces you to not perform that PUSH when doing (require :asdf)? 06:42:41 -!- JuanDaugherty [~Ren@cpe-198-255-198-157.buffalo.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:42:53 After (push #p".../clx-20121125-git/"), (require :asdf) is OK now. thanks all of you ! 06:42:59 slyrus [~chatzilla@64.129.1.15] has joined #lisp 06:43:33 angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has joined #lisp 06:44:21 -!- Ethan- [~Ethan-@60-248-176-37.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:47:30 -!- ered [~ered@75-101-56-39.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:48:04 ered [~ered@75-101-56-39.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 06:48:22 -!- ered [~ered@75-101-56-39.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 06:48:40 -!- n0n0 [~n0n0___@2602:306:c410:500:98ee:bf1a:74ac:5be7] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 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seconds] 11:10:38 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-71-197.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 11:10:43 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 11:17:48 foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has joined #lisp 11:26:00 munge [~user@cpe-075-178-033-080.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 11:30:51 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:37:02 Does anyone know of a practical way to get closure-html to parse an HTML5 document? It seems to be pretty deeply ingrained with DTD specifications, which HTML5 doesn't have. 11:40:12 klltkr [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has joined #lisp 11:42:54 foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has joined #lisp 11:45:02 -!- klltkr [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:45:58 munge` [~user@cpe-075-178-033-080.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 11:46:22 echo-area [~user@123.112.232.8] has joined #lisp 11:47:28 -!- munge [~user@cpe-075-178-033-080.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:48:19 -!- Guest91534 is now known as CrazEd 11:48:49 -!- CrazEd is now known as Guest12983 11:49:43 -!- munge` is now known as munge 12:01:47 cneira [~cneira@pc-33-7-104-200.cm.vtr.net] has joined #lisp 12:04:52 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-71-175-2-214.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 12:05:45 [1]cneira [~cneira@pc-33-7-104-200.cm.vtr.net] has joined #lisp 12:05:45 Shinmera: there is a cxml add on for html5 parsing which worked great for me when i used it. wait. 12:06:11 Shinmera: (ql:quickload :cl-html5-parser) 12:07:16 I found that through google, but from its readme it seemed like it used its own DOM rather than the cxml-dom 12:07:29 -!- cneira [~cneira@pc-33-7-104-200.cm.vtr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:07:30 -!- [1]cneira is now known as cneira 12:07:55 it uses stp iirc 12:07:59 which is very nice 12:08:29 Well, I'm trying to make my library able to work on HTML5 documents and it's built on CXML-DOM, so 12:09:23 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-71-175-2-214.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:10:25 iqool [~user@46.79.37.186] has joined #lisp 12:10:49 ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@188.57.200.218] has joined #lisp 12:11:37 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@188.57.200.218] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:13:47 -!- munge is now known as register 12:13:53 -!- register is now known as munge 12:15:19 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined 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Is there anybody here who uses sbcl? 21:24:58 quite a few people, I guess 21:25:06 Poenikatu: There is also #sbcl 21:25:29 (not saying you shouldn't ask here; just so you know) 21:26:13 flip511: I've reached section 14.6 in which Graham is demonstrating the use of "(assert...)". Unfortunately, his theoretical output is drastically different from that of sbcl. Paste 140675 shows the dribble for entering his example. 21:26:48 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-71-175-2-214.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 21:26:49 Riviera: Thanks, I didn't know. 21:27:05 Poenikatu: yeah, the output format is not strictly defined. 21:27:49 what book are you talking about? 21:28:50 what you're seeing here is SBCL complaining that the second parameter of ASSERT (list of places that could be changed) says (CAR ...), but the list in CAR is read-only, as it's given by QUOTE. 21:29:18 so SBCL already warns on compilation, and you didn't see the runtime ASSERT yet. 21:29:22 The point is that Graham's ANSI Common Lisp (which I abbrevaite as ACL) uses the :continue option for his theoretical debugger. Which option in sbcl's? I tried giving a new value to (car sandwich), the debugger complained again. 21:30:24 Poenikatu: use (LET ((SANDWICH (copy-seq '(HAM ON RYE)))) 21:30:29 Poenikatu: use the help feature of the debugger to know what option the continue option is. 21:30:31 so that the list is no longer readonly 21:30:42 Poenikatu: ie. do read the fine sbcl manual! 21:32:18 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:32:21 pjb: That manual is a mite long for someone learning Lisp. Chicken or egg situation: learn lisp and sbcl. 21:32:38 -!- Davidbrcz_ [~david@88.115.137.88.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:32:46 pjb: I shall do as you suggest. 21:36:39 -!- francis_wolke [~user@2601:9:4180:468:50d:f204:c4f8:ae25] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:40:38 -!- Poenikatu [~user@pdpc/supporter/bronze/poenikatu] has left #lisp 21:40:59 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@88.231.56.107] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:41:37 ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@88.231.56.107] has joined #lisp 21:44:41 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@88.231.56.107] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:49:33 Ogion_ [~Ogion@169.Red-83-36-188.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 21:50:02 -!- Ogion [~Ogion@86.Red-83-49-186.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:51:33 Jini [~pidgin@195.112.102.205] has joined #lisp 21:55:45 I have just updated CFFI to 0.11.2 via quicklisp, and it told me that "bare references to struct types are deprecated. Please use (:pointer (:struct ...)) or (:struct ...) instead". I wonder why they made it not backwards compatible and did not just assume bare reference to be the same as '(:struct ...) by default. Can someone point me to a relevant discussion? 21:57:15 Jini: the mailing list is archived by gmane 21:57:27 -!- purentity [~entity@c-24-6-95-92.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has left #lisp 21:59:20 oh, indeed, I wonder why Google didn't lead me there at once... thanks 22:02:14 tesuji [~tesuji@unaffiliated/tesuji] has joined #lisp 22:04:00 Quark__ [~rett@64.124.28.131] has joined #lisp 22:05:56 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:08:05 kristof [~kristof@unaffiliated/kristof] has joined #lisp 22:17:00 -!- ubii [~ubii@unaffiliated/ubii] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:17:27 ubii [~ubii@unaffiliated/ubii] has joined #lisp 22:17:49 -!- ubii [~ubii@unaffiliated/ubii] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:20:52 rainbyte [~rainbyte@190.191.168.24] has joined #lisp 22:29:25 -!- robiv [~rob@unaffiliated/robiv] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:33:27 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@64.129.1.15] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:35:25 robiv [~rob@unaffiliated/robiv] has joined #lisp 22:37:51 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 22:42:19 slyrus [~chatzilla@64.129.1.15] has joined #lisp 22:47:41 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-71-197.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:57:09 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.220.55] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:57:09 -!- hiroakip [~hiroaki@77-20-51-63-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:01:40 lyanchih [~lyanchih@220-134-193-4.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 23:01:42 billitch [~billitch@men75-12-88-183-197-206.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 23:02:03 hiroakip [~hiroaki@77-20-51-63-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 23:02:43 bgs100 [~nitrogen@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #lisp 23:04:01 -!- bananagram [~bot@c-76-30-158-226.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 241 seconds] 23:04:32 why doesn't this work: 23:04:35 (defun foo () 1 2 3 (+ * ** ***)) 23:04:58 because these variables are maintained by the REPL 23:05:39 is there anything equivalent for source code? 23:06:07 yes, (defun foo () (let ((a 1) (b 2) (c 3)) (+ a b c))) 23:06:30 i was trying to avoid let 23:06:35 why. 23:06:37 on what grounds? 23:06:43 -!- Petit_Dejeuner_ [~saefa@c-174-48-40-89.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:06:52 lman: (+ 1 2 3) would work too 23:06:54 simplicity 23:07:07 Petit_Dejeuner_ [~saefa@c-174-48-40-89.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:07:35 lman: it's probably smart to say what you're trying to accomplish with the function you're building. 23:08:08 that's stupid. 23:08:24 for example, in picolisp (not CL): 23:08:31 by which measure is an invented foreign syntax becomes simpler than an established and well-known language construct? 23:08:34 : (setq L (1 2 3 4 5 1 2 3 4 5)) 23:08:35 -> (1 2 3 4 5 1 2 3 4 5) 23:08:38 : (and (member 3 L) (member 3 (cdr @)) (set @ 999)) 23:08:39 -> 999 23:08:46 picolisp is off-topic 23:09:15 stassats: the question is still bang on, the answer is not picolisp 23:09:26 I'm just asking if there is a similar construct in CL 23:09:36 similar what 23:10:12 there is not. 23:10:13 an advice for learning CL, don't try to translate idioms and customs of another language to CL 23:10:53 in picolisp,, @ is like * in CL repl, but can used in source code too, I'm asking if * can be used in CL too in source code, or if there is a similar construct 23:11:17 thank goodness there isn't 23:11:21 lman: is @ always the result of the previous expression? i'm not sure what picolisp does tehre 23:11:37 yrdz [~p_adams@unaffiliated/p-adams/x-7117614] has joined #lisp 23:11:41 yes, @ is the result of the last expression 23:11:54 so, in (member 3 (cdr @)), @ is 3? 23:11:54 lman: no, you could use setf to store the value of the last expression, or nest the expressions 23:11:58 there is nothing like that. 23:13:09 : L 23:13:10 -> (1 2 3 4 5 1 2 999 4 5) 23:13:26 -!- EvW [~Thunderbi@2001:981:5f09:1:d9d9:6e1b:ba98:c2dd] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:14:22 well, thanks for letting me know that picolisp is seriously brain-damaged 23:14:31 i would have never guessed such an outcome 23:14:45 lman: you could build something that works similarly though. (defmacro with-at (sym &body body) `(let (,sym) ,@(mapcar (lambda (statement) `(setf ,sym ,statement)) body))) 23:15:03 madnificent: you shouldn't :P 23:15:04 lman: eg: (with-at @ (+ 1 2) (princ @)) 23:15:19 lman: everyone will hate you if you really use it in code, but it's simple to write 23:15:44 It obscures your source code. A lot of "idiomatic" things in picolisp source code is just dynamic-var magic and env passing 23:15:50 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@64.129.1.15] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:15:54 madnificent: interesting 23:15:55 i just don't get why isn't @ == 3 in (member 3 (cdr @)) 23:16:16 But (and I do think picolisp is cool) it's not the kind of stuff you want in really big applications that need to be read by other pepole 23:16:22 kristof: i wont, but i do think that it may be good to ponder on the possibilty when learning a language. 23:16:37 stassats: maybe it returns the sublist. like CL does. 23:16:37 -!- n0n0 [~n0n0___@32.156.76.33] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:17:00 kristof: right, I think picolisp is the perl of the lisps 23:17:35 lman: More like the hokey salesman who's fun to talk to but you wouldn't invite to a wedding. 23:17:50 Bike: a sublist of what? 23:17:55 the list. 23:18:03 which list? 23:18:03 like (member 3 '(1 2 3 4)) => (3 4) 23:18:25 right, but @ is the value of the last expression, and the last expression is 3, not the previous member 23:19:13 you can see the full explanation here: http://software-lab.de/doc/ref.html#atres 23:19:14 maybe it's previously eval'ed expression? 23:19:16 The last expression is, if BIke is right, (3 4 5). But that would mean that, if I understand set correctly, L -> (1 2 3 4 5 1 2 999) 23:19:45 i don't really care about understanding pico's behavior given that it's absurd, and also off-topic. 23:19:47 well, lman misdirect us, @ only works in control macros like AND 23:19:51 ed 23:19:54 there's nothing 'simple' about not using let, god. 23:19:54 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 23:20:18 The fact that we've all been mulling this over for the past 10 minutes shows that whatever picolisp does, it's not simple; at least, simple to understand 23:20:42 Ethan- [~Ethan-@60-248-176-37.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 23:20:43 It may be just a simple manipulation of cons cells but that will be hell for anyone doing anything with the resulting code if it's this unpredictable 23:20:47 anyway, i think lman's question has been answered 23:20:50 Good language constructs should be grokkable in a few moments. 23:21:24 And their effects should either be grokkable or only un-grokkable simply because they're not defined and not meant to be used. Like all the crazy stuff in Javascript :P 23:21:58 kirin`: that is because picolisp is a VM in fact, and the languages acomodates to it, not the VM to the lang 23:22:24 everything is about the cell, even strings are consed 23:22:32 so that explains things like this 23:22:36 There are no strings, only transient symbols :P 23:22:40 offtopic! 23:22:51 EvW [~Thunderbi@2001:981:5f09:1:8883:80f7:4b07:f007] has joined #lisp 23:23:38 pillton [~user@124-148-37-96.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 23:23:54 we are talking about language theory in relation to lisp, but ok... 23:25:06 it feels more like mental masturbation 23:27:11 Well, it's not general lisp channel (as it may seem), it's common lisp channel. So other lisps are, in fact, mostly offtopic. 23:27:53 i like the epigraph in the picolisp manual "Perfection is attained not when there is nothing left to add but when there is nothing left to take away", and yet, there is this @ thing 23:28:50 *foreignFunction* now wants to invent a language named General Lisp, for the absolute confusion. 23:29:09 "and yet, there is this @ thing". I laughed 23:29:10 and i'll create Admiral Lisp 23:30:00 there's something about let bindings that gross me out in general but I have no solution to a problem I cannot adequately verbalize 23:31:07 and the only difference between Admiral Lisp and Common Lisp will be the lack of &aux 23:31:34 what the hell is &aux 23:31:46 antonv [5daba1b0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.171.161.176] has joined #lisp 23:31:51 stassats: not a fan of &aux? I don't use it much. 23:32:08 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:32:11 Better Captain Lisp then. "He comes for the resque to suffering Java programmers, and saves them with the pover of macros and lambdas"~ 23:32:14 it's a thing in lambda lists that does nothing but pseudo-let* bind. 23:32:16 pillton: i hate it and hate people who use it 23:32:22 oh, that looks cool 23:32:41 it's really just the same as using a let* after the lambda list. 23:33:05 kristof: See 3.4.1.5 23:33:10 clhs &aux 23:33:10 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/03_da.htm 23:33:29 cue the usual defstruct remark 23:34:02 just write a function already 23:35:28 but do not fret, seafarer, &aux can be emulated with &key ((#.(gensym) var) 10) 23:35:44 thank god 23:36:06 -!- add^_ [~user@2001:16d8:cc2c:0:e1e8:56e9:5ea9:8091] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 23:36:34 -!- kristof [~kristof@unaffiliated/kristof] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:36:49 and another change will be the ban of keywords in LOOP 23:36:50 -!- nialo [nialo@c-24-147-120-102.hsd1.vt.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:38:24 Just uninterned symbols? 23:38:29 just symbols 23:38:37 nialo [nialo@c-24-147-120-102.hsd1.vt.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:39:14 Hmm.. I am not sure about that. I would rather just keywords. 23:39:25 keywords in LOOP make my blood boil 23:39:31 but I am not emotional about it. 23:39:49 stassats: you're full of hate ;D 23:40:19 lman: of course, some people keep using these things 23:41:27 The problem I have with symbols is that they pollute the package. 23:41:47 there's no such problem 23:42:24 I use TAB completion a lot in slime. 23:42:45 -!- billitch [~billitch@men75-12-88-183-197-206.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:42:56 so, how do deal with lexical variables? 23:43:03 nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 23:43:21 Lexical variables are associated with the problem being implemented. 23:43:39 do you employ one function per package? 23:43:53 -!- lyanchih [~lyanchih@220-134-193-4.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:43:54 No. 23:44:49 Why aren't FOR and IN part of the COMMON-LISP package anyway? 23:45:10 &key &optional and the rest are. 23:47:02 &key doesn't use the same rules as LOOP because someone may want to make a lambda variable named &key 23:47:14 whereas such a problem does not arise in LOOP, because it's not extensible 23:49:04 Guest48543 [~user@90.Red-176-83-54.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 23:49:47 -!- Ogion_ [~Ogion@169.Red-83-36-188.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:50:18 but, that would be one way to enforce non-keywordness, although it doesn't solve your negligible package pollution concern 23:50:27 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:50:57 LOOP is done that way, apparently, because it wasn't a part of the original CL, and it was easier to (ext:loop ...) without exporting or importing anything 23:51:16 -!- Ethan- [~Ethan-@60-248-176-37.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:51:22 I see. 23:54:58 Vivitron [~Vivitron@c-50-172-44-193.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:57:31 zRecursive [~czsq888@183.13.192.28] has joined #lisp 23:58:03 Like I said, I am not passionate about package pollution. It is not as if the KEYWORD package can be pristine. 23:59:07 Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 23:59:15 -!- Guest48543 [~user@90.Red-176-83-54.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 23:59:59 -!- Code_Man` [~Code_Man@2a02:1205:5025:58d0:223:54ff:fe38:82c2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]