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Specifically, the :CLOS package - is there anything that says it can only use the :CL package or can it use other packages like :SYS? 01:25:56 drmeister, memo from pjb: the needs of code walkers are not only needed by code walkers. See for example cl-stepper. It's not a code walker per se, but it has the same requirements. https://gitorious.org/com-informatimago/com-informatimago/source/common-lisp/lisp 01:27:01 pjb: Are you still onine? 01:29:00 drmeister: afaik no, it only specifies contents of COMMON-LISP package, its nicknames and presence of COMMON-LISP-USER, the fact that it :uses COMMON-LISP and again, its nicknames 01:30:30 Ok. I'm bending over backwards to move external symbols from my :SYS package into :CLOS so it matches ECL when I should just have :CLOS use :SYS 01:30:31 http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/11_aba.htm <--- says it better 01:31:06 also, only COMMON-LISP, COMMON-LISP-USER and KEYWORD are standardized 01:31:25 -!- sellout- [~Adium@75-25-126-88.lightspeed.sjcpca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:31:31 Bending over backwards means (1) move one symbol, (2) recompile 350 C++ source files (sigh), (3) recompile Common Lisp source code (4) CRASH - rinse-lather-repeat 01:35:33 -!- guyal [~anonymous@108-235-117-64.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: The Sleeper has Asleepen] 01:35:37 Denommus [~user@unaffiliated/denommus] has joined #lisp 01:37:51 -!- MrWoohoo2 [~MrWoohoo@pool-74-100-140-127.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 01:38:00 -!- kristof [~kristof@unaffiliated/kristof] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:40:30 Has anyone used the cl-stepper library that pjb mentioned above? 01:40:48 antgreen [~green@dsl-173-206-82-201.tor.primus.ca] has joined #lisp 01:41:01 -!- dcxi [~dcxi@124.Red-83-33-87.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: dcxi] 01:47:20 boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 01:48:42 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-87-79-196-135.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:48:52 oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-169-144.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 01:52:22 lyanchih [~lyanchih@220-134-193-4.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 01:54:04 drmeister: I tried it some time ago and it worked, but didn't use it seriously 01:54:35 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:55:12 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 01:55:33 -!- harpsichord [~harpsicho@cpe-76-176-71-218.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:57:17 drmeiste_ [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 01:57:23 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:57:44 harpsichord [~harpsicho@cpe-76-176-71-218.san.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 01:57:49 Vivitron: Is it a portable single stepper library? 01:58:31 The documentation is not very clear. 01:58:55 drmeiste_: I don't know how portable, but IIRC the implementation was basically portable. The trick is that you use his package /instead/ of CL and it enables tracing by shadowing some of cl's functionality 01:59:13 drmeiste_: did you find the docstring on the defpackage? 01:59:35 No, I was just looking at the website. 02:03:41 drmeiste_: Yes, not the first place you might look but it's a nice description https://gitorious.org/com-informatimago/com-informatimago/source/7893e031e0bd44e142a9f7ec564501d758ee60b6:common-lisp/lisp/stepper-packages.lisp#L145 02:03:52 -!- harpsichord [~harpsicho@cpe-76-176-71-218.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 02:04:06 -!- klltkr [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz] 02:05:30 ccorn [~ccorn@92.110.20.203] has joined #lisp 02:08:25 -!- lyanchih [~lyanchih@220-134-193-4.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: lyanchih] 02:08:25 harpsichord [~harpsicho@cpe-76-176-71-218.san.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 02:11:51 lyanchih [~lyanchih@220-134-193-4.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 02:16:52 drmeiste_: yes, it's a portable stepper and tracer library. 02:16:56 How is the documentation unclear? 02:18:20 pjb: It's that I was in too much of a hurry to read it carefully. I clicked buttons for about 5 minutes and couldn't find a one paragraph summary. 02:18:29 -!- ccorn [~ccorn@92.110.20.203] has quit [Quit: ccorn] 02:19:16 Ok, lacking one paragraph summaries. I take note and will improve on that. 02:19:47 For the lazy reader. 02:20:13 There's some short descriptions in the asdf systems, but they should appear on a web page. 02:20:19 -!- zxq9 [~ceverett@209.119.94.254] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 02:21:15 -!- ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ejohnson] 02:21:27 Is there a quick way to figure out if a symbol is defined in two different packages. Is it (find-symbol "XXX" :a) (find-symbol "XXX" :b) and the second return value from each must be :INTERNAL or :EXTERNAL? 02:21:59 What do you mean? If the same symbol is accessible from two different packages? 02:22:10 Or if there are different symbols with the same name? 02:25:10 sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 02:26:51 zRecursive [~czsq888@183.13.192.229] has joined #lisp 02:27:35 drmeiste_: the problem is that symbols are not "defined" in packages. Symbols are _present_ or _accessible_ in packages. 02:28:55 drmeiste_: You can make a symbol _present_ in a package by _interning_ it or _importing_ it. _present_ symbols are also _accesible_. You can make a symbol _accessible_ in your package without being _interned_ or _imported_, by making it external to a package that is _used_ by your package. 02:29:09 So, what do you want to know? 02:32:17 pjb: Good point. I've got some symbols that first interned in the :SYS package and then when CLOS loaded the symbols weren't accessible to the CLOS package so it interned it's own symbols with the same names. Now when I bootstrap the CLOS code it doesn't find functions because they are bound to SYS:XXX rather than CLOS:XXX. What's a quick way to fix this? Import the symbols from :SYS to :CLOS? 02:32:19 They are: SLOT-DESCRIPTIONS SLOT-NAMES SLOT-NAME CLASS-PRECEDENCE-LIST PRINT-FUNCTION CONSTRUCTORS COUNT-FUNCTION-CONTAINER-ENVIRONMENTS SETF-FIND-CLASS ALLOCATE-RAW-CLASS SPECIALIZER FORWARD-REFERENCED-CLASS METAOBJECT STD-CLASS 02:33:37 (defpackage "CLOS" (:use "CL" "SYS")) and having those interesting symbols exported from SYS. 02:34:38 In a bootstrap procedure, you can also use (export '(sys::slot-descriptions ) "SYS") (in-package "CLOS") (use-package "SYS"). 02:35:48 You may also just (import '(sys::slot-descriptions ) "CLOS") 02:36:06 In the former case the symbols are accessible, in the later they're present. 02:37:42 The difference would be if you exported new symbols from SYS, or unused the SYS package from CLOS (unuse-package). Imported symbols can be made absent only by uninterning them. 02:39:25 samskulls [~user@S0106001111de1fc8.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 02:40:06 (assert (eq 'clos::slot-descriptions 'sys::slot-descriptions)) (unintern 'clos::slot-descriptions "CLOS") (assert (null (find-symbol "SLOT-DESCRIPTIONS" "CLOS"))) (assert (find-symbol "SLOT-DESCRIPTIONS" "SYS")) 02:42:07 -!- Karl_dscc [~localhost@p5DD9FFD0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:50:44 samskull` [~user@S0106001111de1fc8.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 02:52:49 -!- samskulls [~user@S0106001111de1fc8.cg.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:52:55 -!- drmeiste_ [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:53:32 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 02:53:37 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:53:55 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 02:55:00 Karl_dscc [~localhost@p578FCE89.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 02:56:21 -!- samskull` [~user@S0106001111de1fc8.cg.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:58:29 marsam [~marsam@146.185.180.111] has joined #lisp 03:01:09 zacharias_ [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 03:03:52 -!- tali713 [~tali713@2001:0:53aa:64c:2002:6ba8:b3ee:137e] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:04:14 -!- zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:04:48 -!- Karl_dscc [~localhost@p578FCE89.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:08:28 -!- sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 03:10:41 -!- thelorax123 [~nodebot@165.225.138.217] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:11:27 thelorax123 [~nodebot@165.225.138.217] has joined #lisp 03:13:02 tali713 [~tali713@c-76-17-236-129.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:13:43 Ugh, I just figure out what was wrong. I had (in-package "CLOS") (use-package :SYS :EXT) when I should have had (use-package '(:SYS :EXT)) 03:13:52 -!- harpsichord [~harpsicho@cpe-76-176-71-218.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:14:47 nialo- [~yaaic@66-87-116-5.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined #lisp 03:15:40 -!- ism [~ism@p5794FF63.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:16:50 slarti [~anonymous@104-252-AGAVEBB-NM.abq.nm.agavebb.net] has joined #lisp 03:17:32 -!- Emi_ [~Emi@cpe-76-176-71-218.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:18:44 So what do people think of the big Wolfram language announcement? My opinion is the Mathematica language is a lisp with M-expressions. 03:20:03 <_tca> my opinion is that it's non-free 03:21:17 They are making it available for the Raspberry PI - that seemed like a strange move. 03:21:27 ism [~ism@p5794FFCC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 03:21:52 schoppenhauer [~quassel@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #lisp 03:31:30 drmeister: raspi is popular with certain segments that will be easily awed 03:32:34 I dunno what other platforms it's available, but I can easily see an extra incentive in buying proper license by getting them hooked on RasPi and requiring license for using it on anything with serious processing power 03:33:33 But is it an entry machine for people learning to program? 03:33:48 Maaaaaybe 03:34:05 seems more like an entry machine to dealing with something other than your PC/Mac 03:34:31 although the initial goal of RasPi was to be the new BBC Micro 03:34:54 (n.b. - BCC Micro Basic is apparently still used for teaching engineering students...) 03:35:12 Or the new Sinclair 03:36:12 motionman [~motionman@unaffiliated/motionman] has joined #lisp 03:36:25 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 03:36:55 Mathematica syntax is really awful. I could never get out more than a few lines without digging through one of those huge Mathematica books - and I've written a lot of Mathematica code. 03:39:03 And it really looks like an attempt to develop a language that under the hood is a lisp but looks as little like lisp as possible. I be a blood vessel bursts in Wolfram's head every time someone around him says "lisp". 03:39:16 "I bet a blood..." 03:43:51 -!- thelorax123 [~nodebot@165.225.138.217] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:44:12 drmeister: well, I haven't yet dealt with much of it, although I should... 03:44:27 also, RasPi explicitly called upon heritage of BBC Micro :) 03:44:35 thelorax123 [~nodebot@165.225.138.217] has joined #lisp 03:50:12 abunchofdollarsi [~abunchofd@l33t.csail.mit.edu] has joined #lisp 03:51:44 Does this seem to be a correct understanding of 'properness'; and is there no builtin way to achieve this affect? https://gist.github.com/burrows-labs/7623092 03:55:58 kobain_ [~sambio@unaffiliated/kobain] has joined #lisp 03:56:13 -!- kobain [~sambio@unaffiliated/kobain] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:59:21 pierre1 [~pierre1@179.218.154.208] has joined #lisp 04:01:28 any users of paredit-mode around? 04:02:32 zeebrah [~zeebrah@unaffiliated/zeebrah] has joined #lisp 04:03:47 harpsichord [~harpsicho@cpe-76-176-70-67.san.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 04:03:49 Emi [~Emi@cpe-76-176-70-67.san.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 04:08:45 kobain [~sambio@190.57.227.106] has joined #lisp 04:08:49 -!- kobain [~sambio@190.57.227.106] has quit [Changing host] 04:08:49 kobain [~sambio@unaffiliated/kobain] has joined #lisp 04:09:30 -!- motionman [~motionman@unaffiliated/motionman] has quit [Quit: tschüß] 04:11:17 -!- kobain_ [~sambio@unaffiliated/kobain] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:11:27 nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 04:12:24 seangrove [~user@pool-71-119-101-193.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 04:15:02 -!- Pullphinger [~Pullphing@c-24-13-69-42.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [] 04:15:31 -!- antonv [5daba1b0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.171.161.176] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:17:30 -!- Emi [~Emi@cpe-76-176-70-67.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:18:23 -!- harpsichord [~harpsicho@cpe-76-176-70-67.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:19:52 -!- boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:20:28 boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 04:21:01 ahungry: me 04:21:05 harpsichord [~harpsicho@cpe-76-176-71-218.san.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 04:21:05 Emi_ [~Emi@cpe-76-176-71-218.san.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 04:21:13 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:21:28 cmack``` [~charlie@adsl-74-179-250-223.bna.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 04:23:06 -!- cmack`` [~charlie@adsl-98-87-45-108.bna.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:24:06 beach [~user@ABordeaux-651-1-225-37.w83-193.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 04:24:20 Good morning everyone! 04:24:50 -!- boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:25:57 -!- Emi_ is now known as Emi 04:26:01 strobegen [~Adium@188.168.72.236] has joined #lisp 04:28:17 -!- lyanchih [~lyanchih@220-134-193-4.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: lyanchih] 04:29:36 abunchofdollarsi: I believe your tests are correct for determining a proper list, and I don't think there is a direct predicate for it, although (tailp () list) is close. I might find something like (listp (cdr (last list))) clearest 04:30:01 Vivitron: That won't work if the list is circular. 04:30:29 beach: ah, good catch 04:30:50 Vivitron: You can look in the Code-utilities directory of SICL. 04:31:06 There is a proper-list-p there. 04:31:12 Cool. 04:31:59 ah, alexandria has one too 04:32:30 Speaking of which, the SLIME inspector gets Emacs into an infinite computation when you try to inspect a circular list which the first element is not part of the cycle. 04:33:34 *in which 04:33:58 *beach* is not quite awake yet. 04:38:16 How do you unbind a function from a symbol? 04:38:39 -!- nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:38:45 -!- ircbrowse [~chrisdone@2a01:4f8:150:5307::2] has quit [Changing host] 04:38:45 ircbrowse [~chrisdone@unaffiliated/chrisdone] has joined #lisp 04:38:55 clhs fmakunbound 04:38:55 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_fmakun.htm 04:40:45 -!- TristamWrk [~tristamwr@bodhilinux/team/Tristam] has quit [Excess Flood] 04:41:25 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:41:27 drmeister: Is that what you are looking for? 04:41:31 TrystamWrk [~tristamwr@bodhilinux/team/Tristam] has joined #lisp 04:45:20 Yes. I've run into a bootstrapping problem. ECL builds a minimal version of itself called ecl-min that it uses to compile the full version. I haven't completely figured out what is and isn't in ecl-min - it crashes whenever you try to interrogate it. But ecl-min seems to define CL:DOCUMENTATION as a function and the full ECL defines CL:DOCUMENTATION as a generic function. 04:46:24 -!- pierre1 [~pierre1@179.218.154.208] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:46:42 I'm trying to replicate this two stage compilation and when it gets to the point where the full system defines the generic function CL:DOCUMENTATION it fails because it's already defined as a regular function. 04:46:42 I was going to fmakunbound CL:DOCUMENTATION just before the generic function CL:DOCUMENTATION is defined - how much trouble am I getting myself into? 04:47:24 drmeister: I can't imagine why this function would be essential in the initial stage. 04:47:46 drmeister: I don't know, but I don't think it is a problem. 04:47:50 nug700 [~nug700@71-35-59-231.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 04:50:25 hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has joined #lisp 04:51:07 It's running now - it'll take about 10 min to find out (sigh). 04:51:23 heh 04:51:57 In the meantime..., I asked you a question before, but you weren't around. What is your motivation for this project? 04:52:43 -!- nialo- [~yaaic@66-87-116-5.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:53:01 I'm using CL as a domain specific language for building molecules that can fix all the worlds problems. 04:53:41 I have about 250,000 lines of C++ that builds molecules and scores them for how well they organize functional groups in three-dimensional space. 04:53:56 OK, but how does that require a new implementation of CL? 04:54:07 how does one go about acquiring 250,000 lines of cpp? 04:54:08 I want a scripting language to drive this code so that I can run it across hundreds of thousands of processors on supercomputers. 04:54:14 drmeister: my opinion is that wolfram alpha is a demo that looks very nice on the query provided by wolfram, but when you try your own variants, give results worse than google. 04:54:21 abunchofdollarsi: One writes them. 04:54:31 over how long of a period? 04:54:38 Several years. 04:54:47 -!- Emi [~Emi@cpe-76-176-71-218.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:55:06 I originally used Python as the scripting language but Python annoys the crap out of me. 04:55:24 I love Common Lisp but there were no implementations that interface to C++. 04:55:31 So I wrote one. 04:55:39 drmeister: Got it! Thanks. 04:56:16 C++ is more difficult to interface with unless you standardize on a particular abi 04:56:32 abunchofdollarsi: your test is wrong. Try: (proper? '(a . #1=(b . #1#))) 04:56:51 So it's a Common Lisp that interoperates with C++ and the first big library I interfaced it to is the LLVM library - I then used that to write a Common Lisp compiler that generates native code using LLVM. 04:57:01 pjb: I already made that remark. :) 04:57:25 -!- harpsichord [~harpsicho@cpe-76-176-71-218.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:57:31 beach: sorry, I missed it. 04:57:34 Yes; should be _okay_ for what I'm donig now. 04:57:44 sauerkrause: Another way is to write the CL implementation in C++ - then you can interface to C++ without worrying about ABI's. 04:57:59 pjb: Yes, no problem. I guess you are reading the logs in chronological order. 04:58:02 That works too 04:58:41 cmack```` [~charlie@adsl-74-179-196-72.bna.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 04:59:08 -!- TheShrubber [~jonas@ip123021.directconnect.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:59:19 abunchofdollarsi: please, name it proper-list-or-fail-on-circular-list-p 04:59:32 Excellent. 05:00:00 I've got a boss that googles for "libraries" and fetch code provided as solutions to newbies "coding challenges" by newbies. 05:00:08 -!- cmack``` [~charlie@adsl-74-179-250-223.bna.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:00:46 Code implemented following toy specifications for those newbie coding challenges, and full of bugs despite being the "winning" solution amongst 20 contenders. 05:01:09 And then *I* have to deal with it, despite my 35+ years of experience in programming. 05:01:17 So please, name it proper-list-or-fail-on-circular-list-p. 05:01:29 pjb: Wow, in a bad mood today? 05:01:38 This year, let's say. 05:01:46 Sorry to hear that. 05:02:27 synacktic [~jordyd@unaffiliated/jordyd] has joined #lisp 05:02:34 pjb: I am not quite sure I understand the mechanism. The boss wants some functionality, googles for it and finds some stuff, gives it to you, and then you have to deal with it? 05:04:13 It looks like the (fmakunbound 'CL:DOCUMENTATION) did the trick - thanks. 05:04:24 drmeister: Anytime! 05:04:31 I wrote the specifications for an API sending opening hours schedule from the server to the mobile application. The server written in Ruby on Rails sends JSON. For some reason he wasn't happy with it. So he googled and found this "library" derived from the newbie code (just a couple of methods added). And asked me to use the JSON produced from this class instead. 05:04:51 The reason actually was that this gave him less work to do on the server. 05:04:56 Bosses shouldn't be coders. 05:05:24 pjb: I see, yes. And I see why you are in a bad mood. 05:05:38 Sounds fun. 05:06:32 I'm just wondering why they hire me. It was similar in the previous job. They tell you they hire you for your competencies, but then they make you do dumb things. 05:07:15 pjb: Yeah, it's a common thing. Once I understand it, I'll write an article about it. 05:07:38 pjb: Or, I'll incorporate it in my book about the sad state of the software industry. 05:07:43 jleija [~jleija@50.15.142.21] has joined #lisp 05:09:58 lc0dd0cl2 [~thisismyu@28.2.11.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 05:10:03 Well, the problem goes beyond software really. See for example: http://jerzygangi.com/why-silicon-valley-funds-instagrams-not-hyperloops/ and even this response http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/11/15/the-answer-to-why-silicon-valley-funds-instagrams-not-hyperloops/ 05:10:37 Also, read: "Ainsi marchait l'humanité" Jean-François Geneste http://www.amazon.fr/gp/product/2756311030/ref=oss_product 05:11:24 *beach* reads. 05:11:42 -!- deadghost [~deadghost@pool-173-55-80-153.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:11:47 -!- kobain [~sambio@unaffiliated/kobain] has quit [] 05:12:24 -!- lc0dd0cl [~thisismyu@28.2.11.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:14:22 Forbes' article equates erroneously value with money. 05:14:59 resttime` [~rest@c-50-158-65-143.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 05:15:19 -!- resttime` [~rest@c-50-158-65-143.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 05:16:12 pjb: I think we are touching on profound questions here. Unfortunately, economics is based on the idea that value is defined as the desire for acquisition, no matter the intrinsic value of the product. 05:16:27 But that's off-topic, so let's not pursue. 05:17:13 -!- resttime [~rest@c-50-158-65-143.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:18:20 If you are organized in a way that production _primarly_ requires money; value is money. 05:19:56 But yes there is some conflation if the only thing I can spend my additional money on is facebook apps. 05:21:56 quesebifurcan [~fredrik@xdsl-87-79-227-37.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 05:25:03 deadghost [~deadghost@pool-173-55-80-153.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 05:29:33 alezost [~user@128-70-197-79.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 05:37:38 -!- abunchofdollarsi [~abunchofd@l33t.csail.mit.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:38:00 -!- _tca [~user@h151.25.91.207.static.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:42:07 -!- bananagram [~bot@c-76-30-158-226.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 05:46:44 kaygun__ [~kaygun@78.180.237.103] has joined #lisp 05:47:21 -!- synacktic [~jordyd@unaffiliated/jordyd] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:59:38 hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@46.233.194.202] has joined #lisp 06:03:13 Sgeo_ [~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 06:03:42 -!- kaygun__ [~kaygun@78.180.237.103] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:03:59 kaygun__ [~kaygun@78.180.237.103] has joined #lisp 06:05:25 -!- Sgeo [~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:08:08 -!- quesebifurcan [~fredrik@xdsl-87-79-227-37.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 06:12:18 -!- Denommus [~user@unaffiliated/denommus] has quit [Quit: going to sleep] 06:16:28 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:17:07 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 06:18:44 boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 06:18:54 -!- zophy [~sy@host-94-20-107-208.midco.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:19:21 -!- setheus [~setheus@107-203-153-73.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 06:21:42 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:22:05 -!- dfox [~dfox@94.142.237.120] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:22:21 dfox [~dfox@94.142.237.120] has joined #lisp 06:22:29 -!- jleija [~jleija@50.15.142.21] has quit [Quit: leaving] 06:31:10 -!- wormphlegm [~wormphleg@24.130.9.50] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 06:32:43 -!- nightshade427 [nightshade@2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:fedb:a448] has quit [Quit: bye] 06:34:45 -!- optikalmouse [~omouse@69-165-245-60.cable.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:43:29 -!- lc0dd0cl2 is now known as lc0dd0cl 06:46:24 Bike [~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 06:48:49 sunwukong [~androirc@catv-86-101-32-210.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #lisp 06:54:03 kaydarla [~user@223.229.149.170] has joined #lisp 06:58:02 -!- sunwukong [~androirc@catv-86-101-32-210.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Quit: AndroIRC - 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Is this correct? 08:51:04 rme [~rme@host197-61-static.240-95-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 08:51:28 hitachi [~harpsicho@cpe-76-176-71-218.san.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 08:51:52 ehu [~Erik@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 08:54:59 Emi [~Emi@cpe-76-176-71-218.san.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 08:56:18 I'm in Venezia. 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(it just ends with UNHANDLED-EVENT:3594288993: ERROR: "Closing Link: xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx (Registration timed out)") 13:43:15 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:46:23 -!- zeebrah [~zeebrah@unaffiliated/zeebrah] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:48:05 -!- echo-area [~user@117.79.232.166] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:50:17 -!- kaygun__ [~kaygun@78.180.237.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:51:27 w|t: might be a non-standard behaviour of the IRC server 13:51:57 happens often with irc servers that are not intended for public consumption (e.g. embedded in games, social apps_ 13:53:45 that's what i was thinking, but the networks i'm connecting to are fairly "standard" and compatible with most, if not all, irc clients MikeSeth. 13:53:49 -!- macrobat [~beep@h-199-47.a328.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 13:54:21 -!- woudshoo [~user@2001:981:e8d:1:baf6:b1ff:fe16:58e5] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:54:30 kaydarla [~user@223.238.159.246] has joined #lisp 13:55:01 -!- bitonic [~user@xdsl-188-155-179-93.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:56:09 the issue is they don't respond to the initial request: UNHANDLED-EVENT:3594290137: NOTICE: adams.freenode.net * "*** Looking up your hostname..." so there will be a timeout 13:57:02 -!- sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 13:57:25 or the "checking ident" that follows, not sure 13:58:53 i think i might be better off using a different irc framework or making my own 13:59:24 w|t: it may be the client is too conservative in interpreting protocol initialization 13:59:50 but generally NOTICE events are not supposed to trigger behaviour, they may be completely ignored by the client 14:00:12 w|t: can you do a full dump of the conversation? I'm kinda familiar with RFC1459 14:00:36 wormphlegm [~wormphleg@24.130.9.50] has joined #lisp 14:01:03 sure 14:01:06 give me a second 14:01:33 iwilcox_ [~iwilcox@unaffiliated/iwilcox] has joined #lisp 14:02:13 lyanchih [~lyanchih@220-134-193-4.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 14:02:47 LiamH [~none@pool-173-73-122-143.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 14:04:08 doesn't help that after the connection times out i get a 100% cpu usage in sbcl... anyway MikeSeth, http://paste.lisp.org/+3054 14:04:31 woudshoo [~user@2001:981:e8d:1:baf6:b1ff:fe16:58e5] has joined #lisp 14:04:48 -!- iwilcox [~iwilcox@unaffiliated/iwilcox] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:04:48 -!- iwilcox_ is now known as iwilcox 14:07:56 w|t: can you make one that contains what the client sends as well? 14:08:28 at the very least a client is supposed to send USER and NICKNAME 14:09:00 i think that may be the problem. i'm looking at the docs to see if there is a verbose mode or something. 14:09:13 you can dump it with wireshark or something 14:09:39 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@94.144.63.208] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:09:47 -!- fiveop [~fiveop@p5DDC42B5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: humhum] 14:10:31 i guess that's possible, but i was hoping for something a little less tedious :P 14:10:52 ngrep could work :) 14:11:37 yeah just checked RFC, the defined behaviour is for the client to send USER and NICK and then keep replying to PING with PONG 14:12:47 lc0dd0cl [~thisismyu@28.2.11.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 14:15:05 -!- kaydarla [~user@223.238.159.246] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:15:51 bitonic [~user@xdsl-188-155-179-93.adslplus.ch] has joined #lisp 14:15:53 ggole [~ggole@220-253-146-2.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 14:16:47 -!- zkc [~zhangkaiz@27.47.17.15] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:17:05 -!- Patzy [~something@lns-bzn-51f-81-56-151-137.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:17:14 zkc 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not #python. Nobody knows and this is offtopic. 15:57:42 kaygun_ [~kaygun@78.180.237.103] has joined #lisp 15:57:43 how so sorry 15:57:49 I thought I was on org-mode 15:57:52 :/ 16:00:51 -!- kaygun_ [~kaygun@78.180.237.103] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:03:04 -!- loke [~user@2400:d803:7342:f91a:a1ef:5e17:a4ad:d9a2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:04:49 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 16:06:24 -!- zkc [~zhangkaiz@27.47.17.15] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:07:50 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:08:25 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 16:12:44 -!- InvalidCo [~invalidco@dsl-lhtbrasgw2-54f824-20.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:12:50 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:12:58 InvalidCo [~invalidco@dsl-lhtbrasgw2-54f824-20.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #lisp 16:13:07 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 16:14:45 Joreji [~thomas@172-212.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 16:18:35 ltt_ [~ltt_@186.223.55.174] has joined #lisp 16:18:42 is cl-launch a going concern, or should I use something else?  i note it doesn't seem to work with ccl this morning 16:20:27 -!- rme [~rme@host197-61-static.240-95-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: rme] 16:21:16 macrobat [~beep@h-199-47.a328.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #lisp 16:22:00 bhyde: I'm using cl-buildapp that works with SBCL and CCL apparently 16:22:28 -!- Code_Man` [~Code_Man@192-177.5-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:22:45 -!- ltt_ [~ltt_@186.223.55.174] has quit [Client Quit] 16:22:57 also I think cl-launch is now deprecated by new and under-documented stuff in uiop, part of asdf version 3 16:23:18 ltt_ [~ltt_@186.223.55.174] has joined #lisp 16:24:30 dim: thanks, that's sort of different  good theory that the functionality might be hidden in uiop  i'm mostly attracted to the idea that cl-launch can do simple one..N line shell scripts without building the executable 16:25:06 where I use cl-buildapp I also use a SBCL only #! script 16:25:50 but the startup of the #! script with quickload in there is slower than actually building a proper executable, so I have prepared a Makefile for that operation and always use either the SLIME REPL or the executable nowadays 16:26:12 -!- ltt_ [~ltt_@186.223.55.174] has left #lisp 16:26:16 dim: ccl doesn't do #!  though I notice cl-launch is trying to add that funcationlity by  set-dispatch-macro-character #\# #\! (lambda  16:26:20 my #! script is https://github.com/dimitri/pgloader/blob/master/pgloader.lisp 16:26:40 ltt_ [~ltt_@186.223.55.174] has joined #lisp 16:26:44 and a Makefile to build the exe using cl-buildapp is at https://github.com/dimitri/pgloader/blob/master/pgloader.lisp 16:26:59 -!- ltt_ [~ltt_@186.223.55.174] has quit [Client Quit] 16:27:07 note that the Makefile is intended to work from scratch, you should easily be able to change the project name into your own and reuse it 16:27:47 beware of the /vagrant trick for the asdf config, I'm using vagrant for my build and test VM here 16:28:18 Stygia [~gmpsaifi@109.57.131.85.mobile.3.dk] has joined #lisp 16:28:22 ltt_ [~ltt_@186.223.55.174] has joined #lisp 16:28:28 -!- ltt_ [~ltt_@186.223.55.174] has left #lisp 16:28:53 -!- ccorn [~ccorn@92.110.20.203] has quit [Quit: ccorn] 16:29:14 i often write littl scripts like this one https://gist.github.com/bhyde/7616778 (which built https://github.com/ether/etherpad-lite/wiki/Plugin,-a-list) and they don't deserve a executable 16:29:53 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:31:00 sellout- [~Adium@75-25-126-88.lightspeed.sjcpca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 16:31:04 arenz [~arenz@37.17.234.253] has joined #lisp 16:31:20 ltt_ [~ltt_@186.223.55.174] has joined #lisp 16:31:40 minion: memo for bhyde: you should learn how to use vagrant 16:31:40 Remembered. I'll tell bhyde when he/she/it next speaks. 16:31:40 bhyde, memo from bhyde: you should learn how to use vagrant 16:32:16 -!- woudshoo [~user@2001:981:e8d:1:baf6:b1ff:fe16:58e5] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:32:21 -!- bitonic [~user@xdsl-188-155-179-93.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:34:18 sykopomp [~sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 16:36:21 -!- arenz [~arenz@37.17.234.253] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:38:06 -!- ltt_ [~ltt_@186.223.55.174] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 16:39:20 -!- Stygia [~gmpsaifi@109.57.131.85.mobile.3.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:39:21 ltt_ [~ltt_@186.223.55.174] has joined #lisp 16:39:23 irc 16:39:30 -!- ltt_ [~ltt_@186.223.55.174] has left #lisp 16:39:54 Er... what was that? 16:41:54 Joreji_ [~thomas@172-212.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 16:43:45 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:45:40 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 16:47:16 -!- sirdancealo2 [~sirdancea@194.228.11.188] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:49:49 -!- lyanchih [~lyanchih@220-134-193-4.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:53:23 Stygia [~gmpsaifi@79.138.224.176.bredband.3.dk] has joined #lisp 16:54:23 -!- sellout- [~Adium@75-25-126-88.lightspeed.sjcpca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:54:42 sellout- [~Adium@75-25-126-88.lightspeed.sjcpca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 16:55:48 pavelpenev [~quassel@130-204-14-33.2075264485.ddns.cablebg.net] has joined #lisp 17:00:25 -!- Ayey_ [~rune1@2-106-141-211-dynamic.dk.customer.tdc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:00:30 Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has joined #lisp 17:01:05 -!- hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@46.233.194.202] has quit [Quit: hitecnologys] 17:03:03 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:05:05 -!- sellout- [~Adium@75-25-126-88.lightspeed.sjcpca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:07:42 -!- klltkr [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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I'd like to be able to generate a partial response and output it immediately and keep doing this as more data becomes available. Is there a way to "force flush" this output to the client? I'm using HUNCHENTOOT:SEND-HEADERS and writing to the resulting stream, but the client doesn't receive it until my handle returns 18:03:10 ivan\ [~ivan@unaffiliated/ivan/x-000001] has joined #lisp 18:07:30 -!- klltkr is now known as klltkr[HOU] 18:14:25 -!- Stygia [~gmpsaifi@79.138.224.176.bredband.3.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:16:27 -!- setmeaway [setmeaway3@118.45.149.241] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:18:30 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 18:20:09 Davidbrcz [~david@88.115.137.88.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 18:21:07 yacks [~py@103.6.159.103] has joined #lisp 18:21:17 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 18:23:00 zulu_inuoe_: perhaps you need to flush the stream? is there enough data to warrant a TCP packet? 18:27:28 -!- kristof [~kristof@unaffiliated/kristof] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:28:29 -!- seangrove [~user@pool-71-119-101-193.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:28:38 -!- hugod [~user@70.24.177.56] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:30:37 flip214: Thanks. Found my problem was actually on my client.. simple CL:FINISH-OUTPUT does the job :) 18:31:23 desophos [~desophos@n163h87.dhcp.oxy.edu] has joined #lisp 18:33:20 kristof [~kristof@unaffiliated/kristof] has joined #lisp 18:35:42 TheShrubber [~jonas@ip123021.directconnect.no] has joined #lisp 18:38:12 dcxi [~dcxi@129.Red-79-148-14.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 18:38:45 -!- xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.168.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:40:35 Stygia [~gmpsaifi@109.57.87.120.mobile.3.dk] has joined #lisp 18:45:43 -!- Karl_dscc [~localhost@p578FCE89.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:48:28 -!- Stygia [~gmpsaifi@109.57.87.120.mobile.3.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:51:41 -!- thelorax123 [~nodebot@165.225.138.217] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:52:28 jpanest [~jpanest@c-50-133-178-7.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:52:30 thelorax123 [~nodebot@165.225.138.217] has joined #lisp 18:53:52 -!- prip [~foo@host47-83-dynamic.183-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:56:29 -!- jpanest [~jpanest@c-50-133-178-7.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 19:00:21 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 19:00:33 -!- desophos [~desophos@n163h87.dhcp.oxy.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:00:51 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 19:01:02 Stygia [~gmpsaifi@109.56.95.24.mobile.3.dk] has joined #lisp 19:01:16 ccorn [~ccorn@92.110.20.203] has joined #lisp 19:03:09 rtoym_ [~chatzilla@24.130.4.105] has joined #lisp 19:03:56 -!- rtoym [~chatzilla@24.130.4.105] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:04:03 kaygun__ [~kaygun@78.180.237.103] has joined #lisp 19:04:04 -!- rtoym_ is now known as rtoym 19:04:37 Ayey_ [~rune1@2-106-141-211-dynamic.dk.customer.tdc.net] has joined #lisp 19:04:42 -!- kristof [~kristof@unaffiliated/kristof] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:07:10 prip [~foo@host228-46-dynamic.247-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 19:08:10 boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 19:08:59 -!- xcthulhu [~xcthulhu@c-98-206-142-220.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: xcthulhu] 19:09:03 mijicd [~user@cable-89-216-31-170.static.sbb.rs] has joined #lisp 19:11:51 Bike [~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 19:12:39 -!- boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:13:35 -!- Patzy [~something@lns-bzn-51f-81-56-151-137.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:13:59 zxq9 [~ceverett@209.119.94.254] has joined #lisp 19:15:03 -!- mijicd [~user@cable-89-216-31-170.static.sbb.rs] has quit [Quit: Bye] 19:15:46 -!- kaygun__ [~kaygun@78.180.237.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:15:59 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:16:20 mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has joined #lisp 19:18:08 -!- Codynyx [~cody@c-75-72-193-178.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:19:52 Codynyx [~cody@c-75-72-193-178.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:20:02 Patzy [~something@lns-bzn-51f-81-56-151-137.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 19:22:10 prxq [~mommer@x2f69c24.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #lisp 19:24:18 -!- easiere` [~user@213.33.70.157] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:27:09 Okasu [~1@unaffiliated/okasu] has joined #lisp 19:29:10 -!- ccorn [~ccorn@92.110.20.203] has quit [Quit: ccorn] 19:30:35 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:32:09 kristof [~kristof@unaffiliated/kristof] has joined #lisp 19:32:12 |JRG| [~user@dynamic-adsl-94-34-128-147.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined #lisp 19:34:41 xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.178.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #lisp 19:38:35 -!- beach [~user@ABordeaux-651-1-225-37.w83-193.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 19:38:42 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@2-230-138-74.ip202.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:39:33 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 19:39:38 desophos [~desophos@n163h87.dhcp.oxy.edu] has joined #lisp 19:41:34 *p_l* ponders whether to use CLIM in a new application (ACL's CLIM, that is) 19:41:57 -!- ryankarason is now known as rk[XplorN] 19:42:45 Please, do. 19:42:56 And let us peek at the code. 19:43:19 BTW, how incompatible is ACL's CLIM with McCLIM these days? 19:43:24 sellout- [~Adium@75-25-126-88.lightspeed.sjcpca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 19:45:19 heh. I'll probably have to do horrible amounts of HTML/JS anyway... 19:46:04 -!- Nshag [user@chl45-1-88-123-84-8.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:46:21 Nshag [user@chl45-1-88-123-84-8.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 19:47:01 samskull` [~user@S0106001111de1fc8.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 19:49:51 -!- Patzy [~something@lns-bzn-51f-81-56-151-137.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:51:37 -!- ggole [~ggole@220-253-146-2.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [] 19:54:14 Pie1ka [~other@188.162.64.29] has joined #lisp 19:54:17 hi 19:54:37 Bardamu [~Bardamu@cri75-4-78-192-205-120.fbxo.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 19:54:47 why don't we have somethg like this http://elixir-lang.org/ ? 19:54:51 -!- Bardamu [~Bardamu@cri75-4-78-192-205-120.fbxo.proxad.net] has quit [Changing host] 19:54:51 Bardamu [~Bardamu@unaffiliated/bardamu] has joined #lisp 19:54:51 but in CL. 19:54:55 Hello 19:55:01 Like ABCL but for Erlang 19:55:54 I have a question easy to answer, (cond (t1 e1) (t2 e3)) if t1 is nil and t2 is nil, no ei is executed ? 19:56:55 Patzy [~something@lns-bzn-51f-81-56-151-137.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 19:57:03 Bardamu: right. 19:57:04 -!- zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 19:57:16 <|JRG|> Bardamu: yes e1 and e3 are not evaluated 19:57:43 and COND returns NIL. 19:57:56 yes it's the last evaluation 19:58:36 (cond (()) (())) --> NIL 19:59:06 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:59:41 //////////// 19:59:43 -!- Pie1ka [~other@188.162.64.29] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:00:21 -!- surrounder [~surrounde@095-096-032-026.static.chello.nl] has left #lisp 20:01:36 hitachi [~harpsicho@cpe-76-176-71-218.san.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 20:01:42 -!- setheus [~setheus@107-203-153-73.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:03:28 -!- CrazyEddy [~unappenda@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:05:09 is there an equivalent function for (not (equal... ... )) 20:05:25 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:06:06 Bardamu: Since there are four-different equality operators, you probably want to just write what you have written. 20:07:02 actually I need to do an apply but there is two function there ^^ 20:07:03 Bardamu: And if it really bothers you that much, you can write (defun not-equal (&rest) (not (equal rest))) 20:07:13 yes it's what I thought 20:07:52 xcthulhu [~xcthulhu@162-206-140-67.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 20:08:20 it's so fun lisp! 20:08:47 Bardamu: You can say what you mean. It's useful. 20:09:58 archonix [~none@78.90.30.16] has joined #lisp 20:10:01 <|JRG|> kristof: you missed APPLY there 20:10:01 Bardamu: For more fun, write a macro "notp" that takes a predicate and a body, that looks something like (notp (pred body)) which might expand to (not (pred body)). It's a simple enough task. 20:10:20 Emi [~Emi@cpe-76-176-71-218.san.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 20:10:36 |JRG|: Then I don't quite understand his question 20:11:44 (complement #'equal) 20:12:40 |JRG|: Oh, you meant that I needed to write (apply (not (equal rest))) 20:12:58 guyal [~anonymous@108-235-117-64.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 20:13:27 <|JRG|> kristof: you used rest, but equal accepts exactly two arguments 20:13:36 Huh, didn't know that 20:13:37 <|JRG|> anyway you should have applied equal 20:13:43 right 20:15:48 -!- schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-066-027-055.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:16:53 kristof: (apply (complement (function equal)) args) 20:17:14 kristof: or of course: (not (apply (function equal) args)) 20:17:28 mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has joined #lisp 20:18:06 -!- rtoym [~chatzilla@24.130.4.105] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:19:48 setheus [~setheus@107-203-153-73.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 20:20:42 (every (complement (function equal)) args1 args2)  (not (notevery (function equal) args1 args2)) 20:20:44 etc. 20:21:05 rtoym [~chatzilla@24.130.4.105] has joined #lisp 20:23:17 breakds [~breakds@c-24-0-147-122.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:28:05 z7 [~oz@net-188-218-135-110.cust.dsl.vodafone.it] has joined #lisp 20:30:18 CrazyEddy [~handybook@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has joined #lisp 20:32:31 -!- z7 [~oz@net-188-218-135-110.cust.dsl.vodafone.it] has left #lisp 20:37:15 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-167-28.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:37:25 -!- MoALTz [~no@host81-153-181-250.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:40:50 Joreji [~thomas@172-212.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 20:42:48 -!- guyal [~anonymous@108-235-117-64.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: The Sleeper has Asleepen] 20:45:45 -!- prxq [~mommer@x2f69c24.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:46:05 prxq [~mommer@x2f69c24.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #lisp 20:52:24 -!- hitachi [~harpsicho@cpe-76-176-71-218.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 20:54:10 -!- hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:54:46 -!- oxum [~oxum@122.164.20.73] has quit [Quit: ...] 21:00:20 surrounder [~surrounde@095-096-032-026.static.chello.nl] has joined #lisp 21:04:19 _tca [~user@h151.25.91.207.static.ip.windstream.net] has joined #lisp 21:04:31 nug700 [~nug700@71-35-59-231.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 21:09:53 -!- Code_Man` [~Code_Man@192-177.5-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:11:42 -!- dtw [~dtw@pdpc/supporter/active/dtw] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 21:13:42 -!- thelorax123 [~nodebot@165.225.138.217] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:14:23 thelorax123 [~nodebot@165.225.138.217] has joined #lisp 21:16:23 -!- Okasu [~1@unaffiliated/okasu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:18:29 Karl_dscc [~localhost@p578FCE89.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 21:22:00 hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has joined #lisp 21:22:13 zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 21:23:37 setmeaway [setmeaway3@118.45.149.241] has joined #lisp 21:24:19 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:24:41 -!- thelorax123 [~nodebot@165.225.138.217] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:25:26 thelorax123 [~nodebot@165.225.138.217] has joined #lisp 21:26:23 -!- hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:30:59 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 21:36:17 mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has joined #lisp 21:37:50 codeburg [~codeburg@85.183.24.157] has joined #lisp 21:38:45 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@88.115.137.88.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:39:05 this is PCL, can someone explain compiler note "deleting unreachable code" in (or ..) http://paste.lisp.org/display/140199 21:39:20 dsevilla [~user@111.Red-88-25-200.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 21:39:24 s/is PCL/from PCL 21:41:03 -!- hiroakip [~hiroaki@ip-178-202-201-114.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:41:25 -!- Stygia [~gmpsaifi@109.56.95.24.mobile.3.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:42:19 -!- ASau [~user@p54AFFE7B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:42:28 i don't think sbcl ever returns nil for char-code. 21:42:51 eg (char-code 1114111) => #\U0010FFFF 21:43:04 that makes sense! 21:43:09 so, the error code you have there is never reached. 21:43:25 -!- marsam_ is now known as marsam 21:43:32 so i think you can ignore the note (since another implementation might not be like this) 21:45:37 -!- klltkr[HOU] [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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22:13:53 -!- TheShrubber [~jonas@ip123021.directconnect.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:15:37 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.180.110.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:15:50 <|3b|> clhs remove 22:15:50 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_rm_rm.htm 22:17:30 DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@120.159.126.255] has joined #lisp 22:18:54 -!- Stygia [~gmpsaifi@94.191.244.24.bredband.3.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:22:44 hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has joined #lisp 22:26:41 I already tried this :( 22:26:45 (remove '(1 2) '((1 2) (1 3))) 22:26:48 for example 22:27:19 a list in a list it's not possible to remove :( 22:27:21 -!- hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:28:03 -!- desophos [~desophos@n163h87.dhcp.oxy.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:28:32 :test #'equal 22:28:45 -!- nha [~prefect@koln-5d816b79.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:30:45 -!- dcxi [~dcxi@129.Red-79-148-14.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:31:28 oh I didn't know that it exists! 22:31:36 thanks Bike 22:32:05 no proble 22:34:23 -!- Ayey_ [~rune1@2-106-141-211-dynamic.dk.customer.tdc.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 22:34:53 -!- alexherbo2 [~alexherbo@APlessis-Bouchard-154-1-61-104.w90-3.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3-dev] 22:36:17 what's :test #'equal ? 22:36:29 I mean I didn't see it in my course of lisp 22:36:32 Bardamu: Defines the test to be used by remove 22:36:56 ok ^^ 22:39:58 -!- strobegen [~Adium@188.168.72.236] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:40:48 Stygia [~gmpsaifi@109.59.108.64.mobile.3.dk] has joined #lisp 22:42:58 -!- rk[XplorN] is now known as ryankarason 22:43:20 -!- Joreji [~thomas@172-212.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:56:37 -!- Stygia [~gmpsaifi@109.59.108.64.mobile.3.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:56:54 dcxi [~dcxi@129.Red-79-148-14.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 23:12:07 aptenodyte [~user@paetec27-232.hampshire.edu] has joined #lisp 23:13:48 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 23:15:14 Stygia [~gmpsaifi@109.57.87.120.mobile.3.dk] has joined #lisp 23:16:36 -!- Stygia [~gmpsaifi@109.57.87.120.mobile.3.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:17:30 -!- kristof [~kristof@unaffiliated/kristof] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 23:18:21 kristof [~kristof@unaffiliated/kristof] has joined #lisp 23:18:41 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:19:23 -!- archonix [~none@78.90.30.16] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:19:57 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 23:21:16 Stygia [~gmpsaifi@212.27.2.83.mobile.3.dk] has joined #lisp 23:23:32 hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has joined #lisp 23:23:35 danielszmulewicz [~danielszm@5.22.135.157] has joined #lisp 23:25:42 -!- dsevilla [~user@111.Red-88-25-200.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:26:31 mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has joined #lisp 23:27:16 jleija [~jleija@50.15.142.21] has joined #lisp 23:28:17 -!- hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:28:22 Code_Man` [~Code_Man@192-177.5-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #lisp 23:36:28 sohail [~sohail@69-196-154-168.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 23:36:28 -!- sohail [~sohail@69-196-154-168.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Changing host] 23:36:28 sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 23:38:39 ikki [~ikki@201.164.189.59] has joined #lisp 23:42:41 klltkr [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has joined #lisp 23:46:55 -!- ehaliewicz [~user@50-0-51-28.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:52:00 synacktic [~jordyd@unaffiliated/jordyd] has joined #lisp 23:59:39 zRecursive [~czsq888@183.13.195.77] has joined #lisp