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Hence ccl or clisp. 01:18:15 kobain_ [~sambio@unaffiliated/kobain] has joined #lisp 01:18:19 Also, sometimes I need to deploy on the JVM hence abcl, or to deploy with constraints that make ECL a much better choice than sbcl. 01:18:32 -!- klltkr [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz] 01:18:44 So I just use sbcl from time to time to check compilation errors. 01:18:52 so many choices! 01:19:02 is this fragmentation a problem in practice? 01:19:13 No problem, thanks to the standard. 01:19:22 We don't program in sbcl or in clisp, we program in Common Lisp. 01:19:23 but the standard only covers so much 01:19:33 vircures [~vircures@c-98-230-174-67.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:19:33 and there are portability libraries for the rest. 01:19:41 okay 01:19:45 They are de-facto standards. 01:19:59 By now, are most of the modern concerns covered by portability libraries? 01:20:11 Sure. 01:20:11 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@dsl-hkibrasgw3-58c156-108.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:20:14 Stuff that wasn't in the hyperspec but which now has de-fact library standards? 01:20:22 Hmmm, something tells me there's a nuance to that answer. 01:20:46 Modulo the resources we have globally as lispers to invest on the development and maintaince of those libraries. 01:20:47 -!- kobain [~sambio@unaffiliated/kobain] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:20:48 -!- zz_karupanerura [~karupaner@www13355ui.sakura.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:20:49 -!- cibs [~cibs@118-163-170-73.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:21:05 cibs [~cibs@60-251-40-253.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 01:21:10 There are probably more java libraries than lisp libraries, even when considering the various jvm or non-jvm java implementations. 01:21:29 -!- DrCode [~DrCode@gateway/tor-sasl/drcode] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:21:30 peterhil [~peterhil@dsl-hkibrasgw3-58c156-108.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #lisp 01:21:33 I see. 01:21:42 But you can buy some lottery ticket, and if you win, invest heavily on lisp. 01:21:54 zz_karupanerura [~karupaner@www13355ui.sakura.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 01:22:03 ha, I wish 01:22:16 But even the most popular proponents of lisp seem to be abandoning common lisp. 01:22:31 -!- zz_karupanerura is now known as karupanerura 01:23:02 Paul Graham has gone off to do his own vapor-ware project and Hype-master Rich Hickey has thrusted Clojure into momentum. 01:23:03 Yes, you and me are the TWO only remaining ones. 01:23:10 :P 01:23:20 type /leave and switch to java! 01:24:19 DrCode [~DrCode@gateway/tor-sasl/drcode] has joined #lisp 01:25:28 Maybe I am giving too much deference to fads. 01:25:46 I think so, yes. 01:25:51 Just have fun with lisp! 01:26:08 I try! Although not with common-lisp, yet, which I hope changes soon. 01:26:24 "How I learned to quit worrying and love Lisp." 01:26:25 More fun is to have with CL. 01:26:28 sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 01:26:33 Why's that? 01:26:35 Libraries? 01:26:43 Because it's common, stable and indeed, libraries. 01:26:47 And the well designed language? 01:26:53 t 01:27:19 Naggum once said something whose truth I probably can't verify, but you probably can 01:27:31 Let me see if I can find it 01:27:44 I vouch for all said by Naggum. 01:30:19 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:30:23 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@dsl-hkibrasgw3-58c156-108.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:31:40 peterhil [~peterhil@dsl-hkibrasgw3-58c156-108.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #lisp 01:32:02 desophos_ [~desophos@n163h87.dhcp.oxy.edu] has joined #lisp 01:32:29 pjb: Found it! http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/ErikNaggum <- look at the section titled "On Size" 01:33:12 pjb: The point is that people call common lisp big and bloated, when in reality it developed the features because you end up having to need those features when writing very large projects. 01:33:29 If I understand it correctly 01:34:53 emacs was big and bloated once upon a time. Nowadays, it's still 8 mega bytes, it's not constantly swapping anymore, but the smallest application beside emacs is 50 mega bytes if not 150. 01:35:05 compare r7rs big with clhs. 01:35:06 -!- ggherdov [sid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-imapqxypxznttvmi] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:35:14 or the spec of any language. 01:35:33 You can't complain that CL is too big when it doesn't have sockets, gui, and so on. 01:37:23 pjb: Are you referring to the source code of emacs? Because the installed package on my system is 99MiB 01:37:32 pjb: but yes, I understand what you're saying 01:38:22 on a 32-bit system the executable is still about 8MB. On this 64-bit system it's only 13M for emacs24-x. 01:38:22 01:38:22 01:38:45 -!- francis_wolke [~user@c-98-207-155-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:39:18 pjb: Oh, sorry, yes, the executable itself is only 14MiB here 01:39:51 strobegen [~Adium@188.168.72.236] has joined #lisp 01:41:40 ltbarcly [~textual@pool-71-116-67-9.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 01:45:22 ggherdov [sid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rdvagxmmogqolavb] has joined #lisp 01:47:59 CADD [~CADD@12.227.104.109] has joined #lisp 01:48:21 -!- yacks [~py@103.6.159.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:50:24 nilsi_ [~nilsi@58.209.41.191] has joined #lisp 01:53:04 -!- CADD [~CADD@12.227.104.109] has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:53:19 CADD [~CADD@12.227.104.109] has joined #lisp 01:53:22 -!- CADD [~CADD@12.227.104.109] has quit [Client Quit] 01:53:32 sellout- [~Adium@184-96-131-250.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 01:53:49 CADD [~CADD@12.227.104.109] has joined #lisp 01:54:37 yacks [~py@103.6.159.103] has joined #lisp 01:55:11 -!- nilsi_ [~nilsi@58.209.41.191] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:57:21 -!- CADD [~CADD@12.227.104.109] has quit [Client Quit] 01:57:21 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-179-123-167.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:57:38 CADD [~CADD@12.227.104.109] has joined #lisp 01:57:38 -!- CADD [~CADD@12.227.104.109] has quit [Client Quit] 01:58:02 cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-179-123-167.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 01:58:24 CADD [~CADD@12.227.104.109] has joined #lisp 02:01:03 -!- CADD [~CADD@12.227.104.109] has quit [Client Quit] 02:01:36 CADD [~CADD@12.227.104.109] has joined #lisp 02:03:07 -!- CADD [~CADD@12.227.104.109] has quit [Client Quit] 02:04:05 CADD [~CADD@12.227.104.109] has joined #lisp 02:04:29 -!- CADD is now known as Guest59952 02:04:55 -!- Guest59952 [~CADD@12.227.104.109] has quit [Client Quit] 02:05:41 CADD_ [~CADD@12.227.104.109] has joined #lisp 02:05:56 -!- CADD_ [~CADD@12.227.104.109] has quit [Client Quit] 02:09:45 -!- sellout- [~Adium@184-96-131-250.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:12:08 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-189-219.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:12:08 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-179-123-167.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:12:36 oleo [~oleo@xdsl-84-44-155-50.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 02:12:36 cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-179-123-167.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 02:13:41 ASau` [~user@p5083D591.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 02:13:54 Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 02:15:48 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-179-123-167.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:16:53 p_nathan [~Adium@174-21-83-115.tukw.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 02:16:53 -!- ASau [~user@p5083DB6A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:17:11 -!- sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 02:17:38 cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-179-123-167.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 02:26:15 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@pool-71-116-67-9.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 02:29:54 I didn't understand. 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I want to read until to take a list of chars 03:13:24 so I'm wondering how to make the loop adapt with multiple until clauses each for each character of the list of characters 03:15:12 PuercoPop: I don't think I'm getting it. 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peer] 07:35:56 -!- doesthiswork [~Adium@98.145.118.186] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:36:41 -!- kristof [~kristof@unaffiliated/kristof] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:38:01 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 07:39:54 -!- desophos_ is now known as desophos 07:42:27 H4ns: therep 07:48:44 Is it good practice to modify wrong data that caused error inside condition handlers? 07:49:16 restarts make it easier 07:49:29 interactive or not 07:50:00 Yeah, I meant restarts. 07:50:38 So, it is allowed to destructively modify data inside restarts if it's required? 07:51:03 allowed by whom? 07:51:25 By good coding styles. 07:51:50 coding styles do not touch this 07:52:02 I see. 07:52:30 you may invent your own, like pjb always does 07:53:16 "don't modify any data on saturday" 07:53:30 Nah, that would most certainly make my code only readable to me or small groups of people as crazy as I am. 07:54:39 However, I have one rule: when I dislike the task I use only macros to solve it. 07:54:51 to dislike it more? 07:54:58 nilsi [~nilsi@58.209.41.191] has joined #lisp 07:55:04 Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has joined #lisp 07:55:23 To make those who will read this code hate it. 07:59:33 -!- nilsi [~nilsi@58.209.41.191] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:00:32 -!- ehaliewicz [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:01:02 -!- boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:02:51 stassats: zup? 08:03:06 H4ns: somebody doubts your existence on the tbnl mailing list 08:03:18 specifically, for not applying https://github.com/edicl/cl-who/pull/13 08:03:50 stassats: i'm subscribed to the list, who doubted my existence and when? 08:04:23 actually, not tbnl, but cl-who-devel 08:04:44 that i'm not subscribed to, thank you for pointing me to it. 08:04:49 From: Jeff Cunningham Subject: Is anyone maintaining CL-WHO? Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2013 18:19:35 08:05:28 i've merged the pull request now. 08:05:55 i guess you can't reply to older emails on the ml, i'll reply to this 08:06:09 thanks! 08:08:36 Davidbrcz [~david@88.115.137.88.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 08:09:23 H4ns: well, you'd have to close this one too https://github.com/edicl/cl-who/pull/12, it's the same thing 08:09:41 ln` [~ln@84.233.246.170] has joined #lisp 08:11:58 -!- H4ns changed the topic of #lisp to: Common Lisp, the #1=(programmable . #1#) programming language . New: cl-who 1.1.2, flexi-streams 1.0.8, SBCL 1.1.13, FiveAM 1.2 08:12:36 and can close this invalid issue: https://github.com/edicl/cl-who/issues/14 08:13:33 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@88.115.137.88.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:14:08 stassats: done, thanks. do you maybe want to become a co-maintainer for edicl? 08:14:12 i should have probably said it returns the last form 08:14:58 <|3b|> stassats: isn't the bug in #14 about not outputting the href attribute? 08:16:15 H4ns: this may sound weird, but is anyone welcomed at Berlin Lisp meetup? 08:16:28 H4ns: i can do that 08:16:30 hitecnologys: it sounds weird. of course, everyone is welcomed. 08:16:35 <|3b|> though it does have the attribute on whatever old version of cl-who i have installed 08:17:00 |3b|: no, it's about expecting with-html-output to a stream, not a string, to return anything sensible 08:17:20 or maybe i misread it, wait 08:17:39 stassats: cool. i'll discuss with edi and add you to the organization if he agrees. i'll also add the release script to git 08:17:51 |3b|: it's (st nil) 08:18:14 <|3b|> hmm, no attribute on current cl-who 08:19:24 H4ns: by a coincidence I will be in Berlin from February 25 to 28 (2014) and 25th is the last Tuesday. I was thinking maybe I can come and say hello? 08:19:40 |3b|: it binds the stream to NIL, which is a designator for a stream 08:19:42 hitecnologys: of course you can. 08:20:15 H4ns: that sounds great, thanks. 14:00, right? 08:20:23 sauerkrause [~krause@cpe-24-55-25-199.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 08:20:38 <|3b|> stassats: doesn't look like a stream designator 08:21:06 <|3b|> if i'm reading right, it is passed to both format and write-string, and format doesn't use stream designators, it has its own interpretation 08:21:08 cl-who ask for a stream, not for a designator 08:21:24 hitecnologys: no, 8pm. please follow https://twitter.com/BerlinLispers or my blog (netzhansa.blogspot.com) to be updated with announcements. 08:21:57 H4ns: ah, looks like Google adjusted it to my timezone. 08:22:48 H4ns: OK, added it to my bookmarks. Thanks for help. 08:24:04 <|3b|> yeah, looks like (ST NIL) means ST should be bound to a stream, so test case is broken 08:25:11 a tactical placement of check-type will solve it 08:26:06 Out of curiosity, how's cl-who better than hctsmsl? Not that I'm saying cl-who is bad, I just want to know what else I need to implement. 08:26:20 who knows what hctsmsl does? 08:26:31 hitecnologys: why does hctsmsl exist? 08:26:39 hitecnologys: Berlin meetup? 08:26:49 H4ns: I like to see human readable HTML. 08:27:29 hitecnologys: why did you not fix cl-who? 08:27:30 stassats: it can generate HTML and CSS from s-expressions. 08:27:46 H4ns: I thought that cl-who doesn't need this. 08:27:54 ASau: yes. 08:27:56 Oh, I see. 08:28:20 ASau: I'm not sure what you meant by this question though. 08:29:09 I thought that there's a meeting in Berlin in short time (like next week). 08:29:32 ASau: ah, no. 08:30:40 H4ns: so, I should dump hctsmsl and implement support for human readable code in cl-who? 08:31:17 <|3b|> is the indent option on cl-who not readable? 08:31:25 hitecnologys: i'm in the position to tell you what to do. i just wondered whether it would not have been more prudent to fix cl-who rather than create a new library. 08:31:30 H4ns: incoming pull request 08:32:30 <|3b|> though it does the "add whitespace to contents" form of human readable, rather than indenting inside the tags 08:33:18 H4ns: there's also another feature, I'm not sure if cl-who has it: hctsmsl does everything in runtime so both forms content and forms keys can be returned by function. 08:34:06 |3b|: it's not fancy enough. 08:35:29 -!- H4ns changed the topic of #lisp to: Common Lisp, the #1=(programmable . #1#) programming language . 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As I understand from reading around that trivial-sockets isn't maintained anymore. 12:28:49 -!- oxum [~oxum@122.164.68.158] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:28:49 -!- oxum_ is now known as oxum 12:28:50 usocket works fine 12:29:09 Ok, thanks. 12:29:16 -!- sdemarre [~serge@31.103-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:29:25 -!- nha_ [~prefect@koln-4d0b56d8.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:29:39 clintm: try using iolib, it works better. 12:29:58 -!- alexherbo2 [~alexherbo@APlessis-Bouchard-154-1-83-65.w83-199.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3-dev] 12:30:01 if by better you mean doesn't work on windows? 12:30:20 I don't use windows so I don't care. 12:31:05 heh... thanks for both pointers. 12:35:27 -!- danielszmulewi-1 [~danielszm@192.116.188.120] has quit [Quit: danielszmulewi-1] 12:36:15 -!- oxum [~oxum@122.164.150.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:36:59 -!- zenoli [~pk@109.201.152.225] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:37:44 oxum [~oxum@122.164.142.229] has joined #lisp 12:37:54 Davidbrcz [~david@88.115.137.88.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 12:38:13 -!- schoppenhauer [~quassel@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 12:38:49 schoppenhauer [~quassel@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #lisp 12:41:04 hargettp [~hargettp@c-65-96-162-255.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:41:07 -!- hargettp [~hargettp@c-65-96-162-255.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 12:42:05 -!- oxum [~oxum@122.164.142.229] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:42:37 dandersen [~dan@unaffiliated/dandersen] has joined #lisp 12:42:48 oxum [~oxum@122.164.149.180] has joined #lisp 12:42:57 zenoli [~pk@109.201.152.225] has joined #lisp 12:43:27 -!- straycat [~straycat@cpc65057-bagu12-2-0-cust811.1-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:46:11 txv1 [~txv@0187800210.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #lisp 12:48:43 zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 12:49:45 -!- txv [~txv@0187800209.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:51:02 _d3f [~gnu@vm5.rout0r.org] has joined #lisp 12:55:38 -!- oxum [~oxum@122.164.149.180] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:56:12 oxum [~oxum@122.164.219.158] has joined #lisp 12:59:16 p_l [~pl@tsugumi.brage.info] has joined #lisp 13:00:33 -!- oxum [~oxum@122.164.219.158] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:01:09 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-80-133.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 13:01:46 -!- zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 13:04:58 oxum [~oxum@122.164.252.220] has joined #lisp 13:05:59 Karl_dscc [~localhost@p5DD9C4E3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 13:06:56 didi [~user@unaffiliated/didi/x-1022147] has joined #lisp 13:08:29 -!- milosn_ is now known as milosn 13:09:54 -!- lizzin [~b@unaffiliated/lizzin] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:11:16 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@88.115.137.88.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:13:40 I'm having some trouble with SBCL becoming unresponsive. I have one thread doing a minimax search, storing lots of results in a transposition hash-table. Another thread keeps an eye on it and terminates it after 10 seconds (by setting a global variable to t, upon which the other thread will throw). Sometimes, everything stops happening -- no computation happens, no allocation happens, no swapping happens, the timer thread doesn't 13:13:40 signal. I end up having to sigkill the SBCL process. I suspect this is due to the transposition table growing. Any hints on how to handle this gracefully (i.e., abort the search before disaster strikes)? 13:14:27 is that in slime? which platform? 13:14:29 danielszmulewi-1 [~danielszm@5.22.135.157] has joined #lisp 13:15:08 yes, in slime, on linux x86, sbcl 1.0.58 13:15:14 if in slime, take a look at *inferior-lisp* buffer, it will tell you that your heap is exhausted 13:15:15 -!- oxum [~oxum@122.164.252.220] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:15:28 ah, indeed it does! 13:15:37 thank you 13:15:47 oxum [~oxum@122.164.96.128] has joined #lisp 13:15:58 pass larger --dynamic-space-size/ use less heap 13:18:05 stassats: What's/how can I know the default on Linux x86_64? 13:18:40 1GB 13:18:45 Thanks. 13:20:41 There seems to be a function of it. `dynamic-space-size'. 13:21:19 TheShrubber [~jonas@ip123021.directconnect.no] has joined #lisp 13:22:30 -!- oxum [~oxum@122.164.96.128] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:28:17 -!- schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-066-006-107.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:31:17 -!- danielszmulewi-1 [~danielszm@5.22.135.157] has quit [Quit: danielszmulewi-1] 13:31:25 alexherbo2 [~alexherbo@APlessis-Bouchard-154-1-83-65.w83-199.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 13:33:19 nialo` [~nialo@ool-18ba45aa.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 13:35:01 drmeiste_ [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 13:39:08 PuercoPop: Did you manage to solve your problem with `loop' and `until'? 13:46:36 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 13:46:44 -!- _d3f [~gnu@vm5.rout0r.org] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:49:31 thasc [~thasc@cpc3-croy20-2-0-cust376.croy.cable.virginm.net] has joined #lisp 13:52:03 mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has joined #lisp 13:55:43 ogami [~androirc@90.24.131.105] has joined #lisp 13:57:39 nilsi_ [~nilsi@58.209.41.191] has joined #lisp 13:58:08 hiroaki [~hiroaki@ip-178-202-201-114.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #lisp 13:58:18 hiroakip [~hiroaki@ip-178-202-201-114.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #lisp 13:58:39 sdemarre [~serge@31.103-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #lisp 14:00:21 -!- alexherbo2 [~alexherbo@APlessis-Bouchard-154-1-83-65.w83-199.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3-dev] 14:00:38 zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 14:01:25 alexherbo2 [~alexherbo@APlessis-Bouchard-154-1-83-65.w83-199.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 14:01:37 -!- alexherbo2 [~alexherbo@APlessis-Bouchard-154-1-83-65.w83-199.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Client Quit] 14:02:13 -!- nilsi_ [~nilsi@58.209.41.191] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:04:08 Emi [~Emi@cpe-76-176-71-218.san.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 14:12:21 _d3f [~gnu@vm5.rout0r.org] has joined #lisp 14:13:04 DonMartin [~donmartin@tmo-106-157.customers.d1-online.com] has joined #lisp 14:15:51 -!- DonMartin [~donmartin@tmo-106-157.customers.d1-online.com] has quit [Client Quit] 14:16:51 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:18:29 akbiggs [~akbiggs@24-212-189-181.cable.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 14:19:40 kobain [~sambio@unaffiliated/kobain] has joined #lisp 14:20:24 -!- clintm [~clintm@001e52f0de2b.click-network.com] has quit [Quit: clintm] 14:21:00 [SLB] 14:21:05 Oops 14:21:15 -!- sdemarre [~serge@31.103-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:21:30 clintm [~clintm@001e52f0de2b.click-network.com] has joined #lisp 14:22:10 <[SLB]> np :) 14:22:19 LiamH [~none@pool-173-73-122-143.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 14:23:06 nha [~prefect@koln-4d0b56d8.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 14:23:29 Is there a way to test if an ASDF system is loaded? 14:23:52 LiamH: this is not meaningfull 14:24:04 an ASDF system can have no persistent side effect. 14:24:22 Perhaps you want to know if a package is present? (find-package "ALEXANDRIA") 14:24:25 LiamH: there's (asdf:already-loaded-systems) 14:25:24 -!- stardiviner [~stardivin@112.10.119.152] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:25:27 LiamH: (asdf:component-loaded-p 'cffi) is better 14:25:39 -!- thelorax123 [~nodebot@165.225.138.217] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:26:07 stassats: yes, that works, except not exported 14:26:15 (asdf::component-loaded-p 'cffi) 14:26:33 thelorax123 [~nodebot@165.225.138.217] has joined #lisp 14:26:53 Thanks 14:27:24 but it is exported 14:27:48 (asdf/operate:component-loaded-p 'cffi), alternatively 14:28:13 Not in my version 14:28:48 and I don't have the package asdf/operate 14:28:57 then your asdf is ancient 14:29:28 ASDF::*ASDF-VERSION* 14:29:28 "2.26" 14:29:36 ancientp? 14:29:51 #t 14:29:56 Hmm 14:30:28 *LiamH* must have loaded it from punch cards 14:31:00 -!- p_l [~pl@tsugumi.brage.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:31:02 -!- drmeiste_ [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:32:04 Typed it in on a space-cadet, did you? 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14:45:41 -!- thelorax123 [~nodebot@165.225.138.217] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:45:52 is a specific version of asdf provided by sbcl itself? 14:45:59 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-80-133.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:46:14 asdf can upgrade itself at any time 14:46:30 usually that happens when you don't ask it to do so 14:46:34 because everytime I try to load inferior-shell from quicklisp I get error asdf version does not match 3.0.3 14:46:40 thelorax123 [~nodebot@165.225.138.217] has joined #lisp 14:46:42 so, you can't make it permanent 14:46:46 sbcl has 3.0.2 14:47:35 stassats: hmm, so what would you do the be able to load inferior-shell without asdf version mismatch? 14:47:48 get a newer asdf, obviously 14:49:34 yeah, but is there a command from inside asdf package to upgrade to the latest release, or should I just grab the latest, and replace the one in the sbcl directory by it? 14:50:03 just load the newer asdf.lisp file 14:51:31 it works when I do that, but it is not permanent, everytime I fire up slime I need to load it again, is there a problem with my approach or is it how that should be 14:51:42 pardon me for silly questions stassats :\ 14:52:00 of course you need to load it every time 14:52:24 ah, ok then, will place it in sbclrc 14:52:49 but loading asdf takes inordinate amounts of time, better dump a core with asdf loaded 14:53:21 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-84-44-155-50.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 14:53:33 indeed, will do so, thank you :) 14:54:31 i also preload sb-bsd-sockets sb-posix sb-introspect sb-cltl2 sb-sprof sb-concurrency 14:59:12 it doesn't cause any problem when updating with the newer versions of those packages, right? i.e if a package removes a function definition in a newer version, when I load the new version of the package and dump the core again, is old function definition removed from the core as well? 14:59:56 _d3f [~gnu@vm5.rout0r.org] has joined #lisp 15:00:00 no such thing is happening 15:00:24 danielszmulewi-1 [~danielszm@5.22.135.157] has joined #lisp 15:01:57 -!- desophos [~desophos@n163h87.dhcp.oxy.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:02:25 -!- jk121960 [~jk121960@108-89-22-112.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 15:02:29 -!- EvW [~Thunderbi@a82-92-190-215.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:02:33 stassats: hmm, looks like what you suggested is also suggested on "loading swank faster" docs of slime, will do so, thanks :) 15:03:24 EvW [~Thunderbi@a82-92-190-215.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #lisp 15:04:30 puchacz [~puchacz@46-65-36-47.zone16.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 15:06:13 oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-143-152.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 15:09:15 Is there a way to inhibit specific function redefinition warnings in SBCL? 15:09:20 gigetoo [~gigetoo@c83-250-61-4.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 15:09:31 -!- ogami [~androirc@90.24.131.105] has quit [Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com )] 15:09:46 clhs fmakunbound 15:09:47 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_fmakun.htm 15:10:14 stassats: Ah, hadn't thought of that, interesting. 15:10:25 -!- kenanb [~user@unaffiliated/kenanb] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:11:34 beaumonta [~abeaumont@77.231.255.101] has joined #lisp 15:11:34 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-179-123-167.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:12:11 -!- abeaumont_ [~abeaumont@77.231.225.80] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:12:36 cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-179-123-167.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 15:13:19 -!- beaumonta [~abeaumont@77.231.255.101] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:14:51 beaumonta [~abeaumont@77.231.255.101] has joined #lisp 15:16:19 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-143-152.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:16:24 hargettp [~hargettp@c-65-96-162-255.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:17:22 -!- beaumonta [~abeaumont@77.231.255.101] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:17:44 -!- echo-area [~user@114.254.99.176] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:18:00 alexherbo2 [~alexherbo@APlessis-Bouchard-154-1-83-65.w83-199.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 15:18:30 echo-area [~user@114.254.99.176] has joined #lisp 15:18:42 Stygia [~gmpsaifi@109.59.44.218.mobile.3.dk] has joined #lisp 15:20:39 -!- Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:22:55 -!- clintm [~clintm@001e52f0de2b.click-network.com] has quit [Quit: clintm] 15:26:00 desophos [~desophos@n163h87.dhcp.oxy.edu] has joined #lisp 15:26:04 -!- hargettp [~hargettp@c-65-96-162-255.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com] 15:28:31 ln` [~ln@84.233.246.170] has joined #lisp 15:31:16 -!- ln` [~ln@84.233.246.170] has left #lisp 15:32:15 beaumonta [~abeaumont@77.231.255.101] has joined #lisp 15:33:27 oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-143-152.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 15:35:51 -!- desophos [~desophos@n163h87.dhcp.oxy.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:36:17 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@dsl-hkibrasgw3-58c156-108.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:37:59 peterhil [~peterhil@dsl-hkibrasgw3-58c156-108.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #lisp 15:48:19 -!- MoALTz [~no@host81-153-181-250.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:52:18 -!- zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 15:58:39 nilsi_ [~nilsi@58.209.41.191] has joined #lisp 16:02:06 beach: aroundp? 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(setf swank:*global-debugger* nil) 16:13:41 -!- thelorax123 [~nodebot@165.225.138.217] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:14:04 no 16:14:18 -!- danielszmulewi-1 [~danielszm@5.22.135.157] has quit [Quit: danielszmulewi-1] 16:14:31 thelorax123 [~nodebot@165.225.138.217] has joined #lisp 16:15:30 boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 16:15:46 stassats: how can I achieve this then: use lispworks IDE and slime remote; if error occurs, I want lispworks debugger to kick in, not slime's 16:16:20 disconnect slime and try again? 16:16:56 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-80-133.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 16:18:06 -!- akbiggs [~akbiggs@24-212-189-181.cable.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:19:51 -!- hiroakip [~hiroaki@ip-178-202-201-114.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:20:11 -!- hiroaki [~hiroaki@ip-178-202-201-114.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:20:22 _schulte1 [~eschulte@c-174-56-50-60.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:20:49 how would that work? 16:21:10 Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 16:21:22 sohail [~sohail@69-196-154-168.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 16:21:22 -!- sohail [~sohail@69-196-154-168.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Changing host] 16:21:22 sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 16:21:32 leo2007 [~leo@221.220.232.204] has joined #lisp 16:21:55 MoALTz [~no@host81-153-181-250.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 16:22:14 you can bind *debugger-hook* to NIL around all your code 16:22:27 when I expect error, just disconnect so LW will take over 16:22:39 stassats - can I setf it? 16:22:53 nilsi_ [~nilsi@58.209.41.191] has joined #lisp 16:22:55 rather than binding? 16:23:22 that's a bad idea 16:23:23 -!- Stygia [~gmpsaifi@109.59.44.218.mobile.3.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:23:33 alezost [~user@128-70-197-79.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 16:23:45 -!- Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Client Quit] 16:24:05 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@5.251.151.176] has joined #lisp 16:24:05 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@5.251.151.176] has quit [Changing host] 16:24:06 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 16:24:23 Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 16:25:34 hmm, when I disconnected and tried slime-connect again, I got: 16:25:36 open-network-stream: make client process failed: connection refused, :name, SLIME Lisp, :buffer, nil, :host, 127.0.0.1, :service, 4005 16:26:09 it stops listening after the first connection by default 16:27:12 -!- kobain [~sambio@unaffiliated/kobain] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:27:19 urandom__ [~user@p54B0ED4F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 16:28:03 nenorbot [~ronen@109.65.154.38] has joined #lisp 16:28:10 stassats: change this to T? swank:*dont-close* 16:28:18 in create-server? 16:28:53 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:28:59 read the start-swank.lisp file 16:29:08 ok, thx 16:31:26 -!- arenz [~arenz@37.17.234.253] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:31:36 jk121960 [~jk121960@108-89-22-112.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 16:32:05 (swank:create-server :port 4005 :dont-close t) <--- worked, thx 16:32:36 k0001 [~k0001@host254.190-138-104.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 16:32:54 akbiggs [~akbiggs@24-212-189-181.cable.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 16:35:08 -!- dandersen [~dan@unaffiliated/dandersen] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:39:06 mathrick: temporarily, yes. 16:39:28 mc40 [~mcheema@164.138.80.236] has joined #lisp 16:39:30 mathrick: GitHub issues sound like a good start. 16:39:41 mathrick: I have never used them, but I'll learn. 16:39:53 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:40:42 -!- boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:41:04 beach: alright, I'll do that then 16:42:13 -!- nha [~prefect@koln-4d0b56d8.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:43:17 zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 16:43:35 -!- sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 16:43:45 Good! :) 16:44:20 mathrick: For your information, I did some major restructuring of CLIMatis today, in preparation for some new stuff. 16:44:48 mathrick: I am very happy with the way it's going, actually. 16:45:37 victor_lowther [~victor.lo@2602:306:3b84:a770:3ea9:f4ff:fe31:5798] has joined #lisp 16:46:36 Stygia [~gmpsaifi@109.59.1.140.mobile.3.dk] has joined #lisp 16:47:41 stassats, nice one - http://slime-tips.tumblr.com/ 16:47:51 -!- ehu [ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:47:57 how can I select default package for slime-connect pls? 16:50:44 -!- drmeiste_ [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:52:29 kwmiebach [~kwmiebach@xdsl-87-79-225-178.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 16:53:20 drmeiste_ [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 16:53:39 beach: good to know, I'll try to have a look, though I don't expect to have too much of a clue at the moment :) 16:54:04 Yeah, don't work too hard yet. 16:54:05 puchacz: you can try (push (lambda (x) (in-package :sb-ext)) *new-connection-hook*) 16:55:05 stassats: thx 16:58:00 (setf *package* (find-package ...)) worked 16:58:03 cheerio 16:58:27 (in-package ...) is (setf *package* (find-package ...)) 16:58:34 short for evaluation 16:58:56 I thought in-package was similar to (let ((*package* ...)) rather than setf 16:58:57 but ok 16:59:04 you thought wrong 16:59:10 y 17:01:04 -!- kwmiebach [~kwmiebach@xdsl-87-79-225-178.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:01:04 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-179-123-167.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:01:39 cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-179-123-167.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 17:01:54 bgs100 [~nitrogen@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #lisp 17:03:53 desophos [~desophos@n163h87.dhcp.oxy.edu] has joined #lisp 17:05:16 puchacz: are you porting slime to lispworks' IDE? 17:05:36 Fade: I am trying to use both 17:06:05 Slime has better autocompletion and REPL history, LW IDE has better debugger and inspector 17:06:24 -!- Kabaka [~Kabaka@botters/kabaka] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:06:46 what does LW do that Slime doesn't but should? 17:06:59 has a sane GUI? 17:07:06 Fade: it is not slime but sbcl - stepper 17:07:16 slime could do stepping I belive if sbcl had interface for it 17:08:29 sbcl has an interface for it, but it just doesn't do much of anything useful 17:09:02 ...but no luck now, even if I disconnected slime and run a code that causes error, graphical debugger did not pop up 17:09:08 slime must have replaced something 17:09:15 -!- nilsi_ [~nilsi@58.209.41.191] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:09:22 did you do what i suggested? 17:09:42 stassats: I added (let ((swank::*debugger-hook* nil)) .... ) around (ql:quickload "mystuff") 17:09:56 is this what you wanted? or literally around my code 17:10:06 nilsi_ [~nilsi@5.254.151.251] has joined #lisp 17:10:20 around anything that is expected to end up in the debugger 17:10:27 and it's *debugger-hook*, not swank::*debugger-hook* 17:10:29 clhs *debugger-hook* 17:10:30 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/v_debugg.htm 17:11:08 ok, let me try 17:11:17 serve method of a web server is a good place 17:11:27 stuff that causes error must live below 17:11:37 Kabaka [~Kabaka@botters/kabaka] has joined #lisp 17:11:38 -!- Kabaka [~Kabaka@botters/kabaka] has quit [Excess Flood] 17:14:50 Kabaka [~Kabaka@botters/kabaka] has joined #lisp 17:15:28 -!- Stygia [~gmpsaifi@109.59.1.140.mobile.3.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:16:31 -!- CrazyEddy [~benching@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:18:05 ln` [~ln@84.233.246.170] has joined #lisp 17:19:09 -!- Kabaka [~Kabaka@botters/kabaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:21:19 -!- ln` [~ln@84.233.246.170] has left #lisp 17:21:25 -!- _schulte1 [~eschulte@c-174-56-50-60.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:26:20 Kabaka [~Kabaka@botters/kabaka] has joined #lisp 17:27:28 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-80-133.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:29:10 bananagram [~bot@c-76-30-158-226.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:30:10 -!- bananagram [~bot@c-76-30-158-226.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 17:31:41 CrazyEddy [~heterogon@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has joined #lisp 17:35:26 bananagram [~bot@c-76-30-158-226.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:35:32 Stygia [~gmpsaifi@94.191.220.173.bredband.3.dk] has joined #lisp 17:36:30 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@88.115.137.88.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:38:15 nilsi__ [~nilsi@58.209.41.191] has joined #lisp 17:38:41 QwertyDragon [~chatzilla@pool-71-174-212-30.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 17:38:44 nipra [~nipra@122.177.153.27] has joined #lisp 17:41:03 -!- nilsi_ [~nilsi@5.254.151.251] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:43:40 nha [~prefect@koln-4d0b56d8.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 17:44:25 guys, FYI, to remove swank debugger, I had to do this: 17:44:26 (setf swank::*new-connection-hook* (delete 'swank::install-debugger swank::*new-connection-hook*)) 17:44:29 before connecting 17:45:01 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 17:45:08 -!- nha [~prefect@koln-4d0b56d8.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:46:35 zacharias_ [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 17:46:49 -!- drmeiste_ [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:49:51 -!- zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:56:41 -!- NikolaiDante [~nikolaida@unaffiliated/knighterrant] has quit [Quit: bye] 17:57:14 kiuma [~kiuma@static-217-133-17-91.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined #lisp 17:57:38 yacks [~py@103.6.159.103] has joined #lisp 18:01:04 -!- zickzackv [~faot@p5DDB1E01.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:06:21 -!- joe9 [~user@ip70-179-153-227.fv.ks.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:07:47 -!- zacharias_ is now known as zacharias 18:11:35 -!- francis_wolke [~user@c-98-207-155-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:14:20 didi: Yeah, it was a better solution to what I was thinking. Thank you! 18:14:52 -!- desophos [~desophos@n163h87.dhcp.oxy.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:16:07 PuercoPop: yw 18:16:39 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-186-157.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 18:17:26 drmeiste_ [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 18:17:31 PuercoPop: When dealing with characters, I prefer to pass around strings instead of lists, but the function I showed you can handle both. 18:19:30 p_l [~pl@tsugumi.brage.info] has joined #lisp 18:19:31 fridim_ [~fridim@bas2-montreal07-2925317577.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 18:20:19 hiroakip [~hiroaki@ip-178-202-201-114.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #lisp 18:20:20 hiroaki [~hiroaki@ip-178-202-201-114.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #lisp 18:20:52 -!- beach [~user@ABordeaux-651-1-64-109.w109-223.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 18:21:39 -!- drmeiste_ [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:21:39 didi: nods. In this case it is a list of terminating conditions. The list would prefer to not be working is the result of the loop. I am coercing it to string for the time being. I am trying to work with streams. 18:23:16 Munksgaard [~philip@0803ds2-bi.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #lisp 18:23:41 -!- zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:25:51 -!- jewel [~jewel@105-236-138-104.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 18:26:22 jewel [~jewel@105-236-138-104.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 18:26:45 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@static-217-133-17-91.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:31:34 -!- nilsi__ [~nilsi@58.209.41.191] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:32:09 ck`` [~ck@dslb-094-219-255-002.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 18:33:21 dcxi [~dcxi@218.Red-83-61-33.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 18:33:21 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-179-123-167.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:34:28 cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-179-123-167.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 18:35:55 nialo- [~yaaic@66-87-116-132.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined #lisp 18:38:20 lmj` [~lmj`@c-71-234-72-55.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:38:29 -!- Karl_dscc [~localhost@p5DD9C4E3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:40:43 Can this be written without the FLET? https://gist.github.com/lmj/2b950a84bf8c6f6d6339 18:41:16 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 18:41:33 I was looking at CLTL2 for something like WITH-ENV which would protect a piece of code from recursive macro expansion 18:41:54 An inline FLET works, but seems like a hack. 18:43:29 What if you don't evaluate x inside with-lazy-init? 18:43:45 It sounds ill designed, never mind the implementation. 18:43:55 -!- hiroaki [~hiroaki@ip-178-202-201-114.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:44:01 pjb: well like the example shows, it doesn't get initialized, on purpose 18:44:39 lmj`: it doesn't seem like a hack to me 18:44:40 Now, since the symbol macro could be present in several places, it seems logical to use a flet to avoid code duplication. 18:44:51 The initialization expression could be complex. 18:44:51 -!- hiroakip [~hiroaki@ip-178-202-201-114.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:45:22 Indeed, using flet+symbol-macrolet or flet+macrolet is a common and useful pattern. 18:45:59 There's something however about using a nil value. What if the complex computation to initialize it results in nil? 18:46:07 I'd rather use a separate flag. 18:47:33 chrismed [~chrismed@abjp33.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 18:48:03 drmeiste_ [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 18:48:18 pjb: The idea here is protecting against recursive macroexpansion. Nothing else is relevant to that example code. 18:51:49 ehu [~ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 18:52:02 desophos [~desophos@n163h87.dhcp.oxy.edu] has joined #lisp 18:52:57 SBCL produces identical code as if the FLET weren't there, but not so for CCL. None of this really matters, it's just the principle that certain tasks can't be automated in a way that is identical to the manual way. 18:53:05 -!- drmeiste_ [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:54:12 you'll be hard-pressed to measure the difference in performance 18:56:05 -!- ck`` [~ck@dslb-094-219-255-002.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:58:28 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-186-157.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:58:50 Right, the only interesting thing is running up against the always-recursive feature of macros. 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19:52:06 what? 19:52:19 i want to return nil if file is ivalid 19:52:39 i want to validate a file 19:52:41 so i have 19:52:49 if (ivalid) return nil 19:53:15 -!- drmeiste_ [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:53:16 if (wrongheader) return nil 19:53:22 if (wrongsize) return nil 19:53:25 return T 19:53:29 stasu: just return (ivalid file) ! 19:53:39 pjb, well i want multiple validations 19:53:46 stasu: (and (ivalid) (wrongheader) (wrongsize)) 19:53:52 (and (ivalid) (wrongheader) (wrongsize)) 19:53:59 But you better spell it invalid! 19:54:01 well, (not (wrongheader)) (not (wrongheader)) 19:54:17 pjb, i also want to print a message if soemthing is wrong 19:54:23 to indicate what is wrong 19:54:31 Well he said first that he wanted nil for (eql (invalid file) nil) 19:54:38 -!- d4gg4d_ [uid7020@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ddeiufcqvfkmbkow] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:54:44 Yeah, just do that. 19:54:56 (and (ivalid) (wrongheader) (wrongsize)) 19:55:01 this won't help me do that 19:55:10 d4gg4d_ [uid7020@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egskcmwxnrxrxlpi] has joined #lisp 19:55:11 stasu: perhaps reading Common Lisp: A Gentle Introduction to Symbolic Computation http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/LispBook/ http://www-cgi.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu.edu/user/dst/www/LispBook/index.html would help. 19:56:11 stasu: (cond ((not (ivalid)) (print "not a valid file") nil) ((wrongheader) (print "wrong header") nil) (t)) 19:56:16 how hard could it be? 19:56:51 For somebody who didn't took the pain to read the first page of a programming book, very hard. 19:57:17 pjb: It just occurred to me how many times he misspelled "invalid". 19:57:30 This is a bad sign indeed. 19:57:45 pjb: Hey, maybe it's a language barrier? I never jump to conclusions! 19:58:03 kristof: was it misspelled? i took it as iValid 19:58:04 stassats, that's what i was looking for, thank you 19:58:29 stasu: ...you were looking for a simple cond control structure? 19:58:43 isn't cond like the second thing they teach in SICP after define? 19:58:53 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:59:12 stasu: Oh, actually... are you coming from another language and used to writing long if-else chains? :P 19:59:17 I'd bet in gentle it's taught BEFORE defun. 19:59:48 lizzin [~b@c-98-228-65-59.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:00:11 -!- lizzin is now known as Guest78038 20:00:40 Emi [~Emi@cpe-76-176-71-218.san.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 20:00:56 kristof, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6433856/ 20:01:28 stasu ivalid doesn't mean anything! 20:02:04 stasu: gross, semicolons. 20:02:15 it's the new apple product for disabled people 20:02:24 Hey 20:03:27 -!- nenorbot [~ronen@109.65.154.38] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:03:52 CADD [~CADD@12.227.104.109] has joined #lisp 20:04:16 In any case, it would then be |iValid|. 20:04:31 QwertyDragon_ [~chatzilla@pool-71-174-212-30.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:05:01 fisxoj [~fisxoj@24-212-142-77.cable.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 20:05:10 -!- fisxoj [~fisxoj@24-212-142-77.cable.teksavvy.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:05:22 is there a reference for what constitutes a symbol at the source code level? 20:05:35 yes, in the chapter 2. 20:05:37 clhs 2 20:05:38 Syntax: http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/02_.htm 20:05:57 clhs 2.3.4 20:05:57 Symbols as Tokens: http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/02_cd.htm 20:06:21 reading (info "(ansicl) Symbols as Tokens"), thanks 20:06:35 If you mean at the textual level. At the source code level, it's whatever object for which (symbolp object) returns true. 20:06:37 hiroaki [~hiroaki@ip-178-202-201-114.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #lisp 20:07:23 well I had to have a sexp parser in my own command language parser (for pgloader) and I now need to extend it because it fails to parse "=" as being a symbol 20:07:41 so while at it, I suspect I might as well implement the same parsing rules as the standard, if at all possible 20:08:07 Would be a good idea. But basically, you just cut out tokens, and call INTERN on them. 20:08:20 The rest are reader macros. 20:08:34 INTERN or PARSE-NUMBER, depending. 20:08:39 well we're talking about how to cut tokens, yes 20:09:01 If there's a reader macro on #\= then call it, otherwise, it's a token. 20:09:19 I currently have (defun symbol-character-p (character) (or (alphanumericp character) (member character '(#\_ #\-)))) and (defrule sexp-symbol (+ (symbol-character-p character)) (:lambda (schars) (pgloader.transforms:intern-symbol (text schars)))), which is shy of a brick load 20:09:23 Now reader macros can be terminating or not, for things like a=b parsed as a =b or not. 20:09:43 no reader macro in my supported subset of CL here 20:09:58 Sure. But you can use them to implement it. 20:10:11 I'm using esrap to build my parser 20:10:20 That may be a problem :-) 20:10:29 up til now it's been a very nice solution 20:10:51 the input language having nothing to do whatsoever with lisp 20:10:58 hiroakip [~hiroaki@ip-178-202-201-114.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #lisp 20:11:05 but of course offering to run user code... lisp is back 20:11:43 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-80-133.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 20:11:47 -!- stasu [~al@79.114.13.131] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:13:04 -!- TheShrubber [~jonas@ip123021.directconnect.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:14:44 -!- Guest78038 [~b@c-98-228-65-59.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:17:16 schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-066-006-107.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 20:22:07 -!- alezost [~user@128-70-197-79.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 20:23:29 nug700 [~nug700@209-181-102-38.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 20:26:42 archonix [~none@78.90.30.16] has joined #lisp 20:27:16 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Disconnected by services] 20:27:38 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-164-87.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:27:45 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 20:29:06 -!- dtw [~dtw@pdpc/supporter/active/dtw] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 20:31:54 dark_splinter [~dark_spli@a95-92-16-88.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #lisp 20:32:07 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:32:16 nilsi_ [~nilsi@58.209.41.191] has joined #lisp 20:34:20 nenorbot [~ronen@109.65.154.38] has joined #lisp 20:36:58 -!- nilsi_ [~nilsi@58.209.41.191] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:44:14 -!- dented42 [~dented42@166.70.24.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20:46:04 ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@rrcs-50-74-103-90.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 20:46:50 dented42 [~dented42@166.70.24.149] has joined #lisp 20:48:22 drmeiste_ [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:49:30 -!- Nuupi [~IceChat9@a91-154-110-47.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Quit: It's a dud! 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Say, i have (defvar *foo* '(a b c)) and i want to define struct with field foo but that field must accept only values from *foo* list. 21:17:58 kristof: that I have to introduce lisp bits and pieces in my command language grammar 21:18:04 eiRoo: Use `deftype'. 21:19:06 (defstruct foo (field 'a (member a b c))) 21:19:23 But of course, using deftype to give a name to this enumeration type would be better. 21:19:29 -!- lc0dd0cl [~thisismyu@21.12.11.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:19:59 thank you guys. 21:20:37 -!- chrismed [~chrismed@abjp33.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:20:57 dim: Will no other language do it? 21:21:14 well I would have to implement it then 21:23:08 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@rrcs-50-74-103-90.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:23:21 is it valid (deftype foo-type () `(member ,*foo*)) ? 21:23:31 What's the de facto standard for web programming in Common Lisp? 21:24:01 stasu [~al@79.114.13.131] has joined #lisp 21:24:09 how do i know if a file is a regular file or directory? 21:24:25 ccl:directory-pathname-p is easily fooled by a tailing / 21:24:27 (deftype foo-type () `(member ,@*foo*)) ;; right one 21:24:39 so it returns T for "....pdf/") 21:25:28 kristof: I've been using hunchentoot 21:26:28 -!- wormphlegm [~wormphleg@24.130.9.50] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:26:36 wormphlegm [~wormphleg@24.130.9.50] has joined #lisp 21:26:44 -!- wormphlegm [~wormphleg@24.130.9.50] has quit [Client Quit] 21:26:58 dim: I hear a lot of good stuff about that. Is there anything hunchentoot sucks at that another implementation is better at? 21:27:13 Karl_dscc [~localhost@p5DD9C4E3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 21:27:17 wormphlegm [~wormphleg@24.130.9.50] has joined #lisp 21:27:24 I didn't try other implementations yet ;-) 21:30:09 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-80-133.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:31:01 kristof: What do you mean by "another implementation"? Another implemenation of CL web server? 21:31:50 ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@rrcs-50-74-103-90.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 21:31:53 Okasu: I believe drakma is analagous to hunchentoot, so yes, something like that. 21:32:00 -!- zxq9 [~ceverett@209.119.94.254] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:32:16 [1]JPeterson [~JPeterson@81-233-152-121-no83.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #lisp 21:32:16 No, wait 21:32:17 kristof: What? Drakma is not a web server. 21:32:23 hunchentoot is a server, and drakma is a client 21:32:27 varjag_ [uid4973@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uldxwisbxbrbpmnr] has joined #lisp 21:33:24 lacedaemon [~quassel@pdpc/supporter/professional/fenlix] has joined #lisp 21:33:39 -!- varjag [uid4973@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sxfkexeracnslzzz] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:33:39 -!- benny [~benny@shell.spamt.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:33:40 -!- varjag_ is now known as varjag 21:33:44 -!- macrobat [~beep@h-199-47.a328.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:33:46 -!- deego [deego@unaffiliated/deego] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:33:46 -!- easye [~user@2a01:4f8:200:4310::30] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:33:46 -!- balle [~balle@pulsar-vm2.inf.ethz.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:33:50 -!- fe[nl]ix [~quassel@pdpc/supporter/professional/fenlix] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:33:50 -!- Blkt [~Blkt@2a01:4f8:150:80a1::aaaa] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:33:50 -!- vnz [~vnz@unaffiliated/vnz] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:34:21 -!- brucem [~bmitchene@waywardmonkeys.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:34:21 -!- ircbrowse [~chrisdone@2a01:4f8:150:5307::2] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:34:22 -!- MikeSeth [~me@unaffiliated/mikeseth] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:34:37 brucem [~bmitchene@waywardmonkeys.com] has joined #lisp 21:34:37 Just off top of my head - hunchentoot's performance is surely worse than tpd2's. http://john.freml.in/teepeedee2-c10k 21:34:43 MikeSeth [~me@174.143.244.95] has joined #lisp 21:34:52 Blkt [~Blkt@2a01:4f8:150:80a1::aaaa] has joined #lisp 21:34:54 -!- JPeterson [~JPeterson@81-233-152-121-no83.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:34:59 -!- eiRoo [~other@188.162.65.63] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:35:12 Oh, look at that. Picolisp is up there 21:35:13 lizzin [~b@c-98-228-65-59.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:35:23 -!- lizzin [~b@c-98-228-65-59.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 21:35:34 with abysmall performance compared to TPD2 21:35:36 benny [~benny@shell.spamt.net] has joined #lisp 21:35:52 -!- benny is now known as Guest46674 21:35:56 deego [~user@unaffiliated/deego] has joined #lisp 21:36:00 -!- otwieracz [~gonet9@v6.gen2.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:36:12 macrobat [~beep@h-199-47.a328.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #lisp 21:36:18 otwieracz [~gonet9@v6.gen2.org] has joined #lisp 21:36:19 -!- vircures [~vircures@c-98-230-174-67.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: vircures] 21:36:34 vnz [~vnz@unaffiliated/vnz] has joined #lisp 21:36:42 ircbrowse [~chrisdone@2a01:4f8:150:5307::2] has joined #lisp 21:36:52 sirdancealot [~sirdancea@194.228.11.188] has joined #lisp 21:36:57 nha [~prefect@koln-4d0b56d8.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 21:37:09 easye [~user@2a01:4f8:200:4310::30] has joined #lisp 21:39:46 balle [~balle@pulsar-vm2.inf.ethz.ch] has joined #lisp 21:41:06 ikki [~ikki@201.164.189.106] has joined #lisp 21:41:26 -!- archonix [~none@78.90.30.16] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:41:27 -!- kwmiebach [~kwmiebach@xdsl-87-79-225-178.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:42:21 kwmiebach [~kwmiebach@xdsl-87-79-225-178.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 21:42:44 -!- kwmiebach [~kwmiebach@xdsl-87-79-225-178.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:43:23 -!- stasu [~al@79.114.13.131] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:43:25 kwmiebach [~kwmiebach@xdsl-87-79-225-178.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 21:43:25 -!- nilsi_ [~nilsi@58.209.41.191] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:44:06 nilsi_ [~nilsi@5.254.150.162] has joined #lisp 21:46:24 R-DOG [~russell@c-76-122-135-146.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:46:33 zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 21:48:57 -!- francis_wolke [~user@c-98-207-155-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:50:52 -!- kwmiebach [~kwmiebach@xdsl-87-79-225-178.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:51:47 Davidbrcz [~david@88.115.137.88.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 21:51:50 -!- lc0dd0cl2 is now known as lc0dd0cl 21:53:34 kwmiebach [~kwmiebach@xdsl-87-79-225-178.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 21:53:34 -!- kwmiebach [~kwmiebach@xdsl-87-79-225-178.netcologne.de] has quit [Client Quit] 21:53:41 -!- thelorax123 [~nodebot@165.225.138.217] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:53:59 vircures [~vircures@c-98-230-174-67.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:54:37 thelorax123 [~nodebot@165.225.138.217] has joined #lisp 21:55:11 francis_wolke [~user@c-98-207-155-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:02:37 -!- lc0dd0cl [~thisismyu@148.4.11.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:03:04 eiRoo [~other@188.162.65.63] has joined #lisp 22:03:18 oh, i have necountered odd situation... 22:03:36 i can actually use it (deftype foo-type () `(member ,@*foo*)) 22:04:01 because it's like a macro thing and it know nothing about *foo* when it tries to expand 22:04:23 how can i fix it and keep *foo* available for the rest of application? 22:05:59 lc0dd0cl [~thisismyu@148.4.11.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 22:07:56 francogrex [~user@109.128.96.218] has joined #lisp 22:08:17 the new cffi version 11.2 is disgusting me 22:09:02 francogrex: Why? 22:09:07 STYLE-WARNING: bare references to struct types are deprecated. Please use (:POINTER ... 22:09:10 all the time 22:09:19 francogrex: Well... You know what to do. 22:09:32 muffle style warnings ? 22:09:41 Nope. Fix the references. 22:09:56 didi: that's fixing cffi 22:10:11 francogrex: That's another view on it. 22:10:54 -!- sdemarre [~serge@31.103-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:11:35 or older cffi 22:11:50 It's up to you, I guess. 22:11:55 flame_ [~flame_@unaffiliated/flame/x-0205742] has joined #lisp 22:11:57 -!- fridim_ [~fridim@bas2-montreal07-2925317577.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:14:06 to find other versions .. 22:14:13 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:15:18 much doge 22:15:23 very lisp 22:15:25 wow 22:15:25 eiRoo: (eval-when (:compile-toplevel :load-toplevel :execute) (defparameter *foo* '(a b c))) (deftype foo-type () `(member ,@*foo*)) 22:16:07 pjb: (:compile-toplevel :execute) is enough, no? 22:16:13 ehaliewicz [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 22:16:25 No. 22:16:45 clhs eval-when 22:16:45 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/s_eval_w.htm 22:17:50 pjb: where can i read about all these eval times? 22:17:55 much words 22:18:23 -!- Joreji_ [~thomas@172-212.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:18:23 -!- francogrex [~user@109.128.96.218] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)] 22:18:40 Yes, it's not well explained in the standard. 22:19:14 Basically, in a toplevel eval-when form, :compile-toplevel is evaluated when compiling, :load-toplevel is evaluated when loading the compiled file, and :execute is evaluated when loading the source file, non-compiled. 22:19:18 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@88.115.137.88.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:19:34 So: compile-file, load .fasl, load .lisp 22:19:36 -!- sirdancealot [~sirdancea@194.228.11.188] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:19:52 So in general you want the three. 22:20:07 But a better solution could be to write a macro to do both: 22:20:44 -!- drmeiste_ [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:21:25 pjb: thanks for an explanation 22:21:27 (define-enum foo a b c) with (defmacro define-enum (name &rest constants) `(progn (defparameter ,(intern (concatenate 'string "*" (string name) "*") (symbol-package name)) ',constants) (deftype ,name () (member ,@constants)))) 22:22:28 or (define-enum foo a b c) with (defgeneric enum-constants (type)) (defmacro define-enum (name &rest constants) `(progn (defmethod enum-constants ((type (eql ',name))) ',constants) (deftype ,name () (member ,@constants)))) 22:22:33 pjb: wow, that's cool macro 22:22:36 (enum-constants 'foo) --> (a b c) 22:23:18 -!- prxq_ [~mommer@x2f6cc33.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:24:16 pjb: one a bit unrelated to compilation times question but stil enum related... in enums in my real app i'm using :symbols(like (defparameter *foo* '(:a :b :c))) 22:24:34 and i haveing feeling that it might cause troubles to me. 22:24:44 because of interning 22:25:40 so question is, is it considered harmful to use :symbols? 22:25:47 for such tasks 22:25:48 -!- Guest46674 is now known as benny 22:26:26 Depends. 22:26:47 I'd say that for enum constants, keywords are ok. 22:27:26 whew, thanks, i really like to use em for such things 22:27:34 -!- Okasu [~1@unaffiliated/okasu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:28:33 the only problem is if you want to enumerate car boat and planes in one package, and cons car and cdr in another. If you use keywords and need to mix enums used in one package with enums used in another packages, you have a collision, since (eq :car :car). 22:28:51 If you kept separate packages: (not (eq 'vehicule:car 'cl:car)) 22:29:25 -!- eagleflo_ is now known as eagleflo 22:30:02 There are some generic functions that can be applied on everything. eg. print-object. (defmethod print-object ((obj (eql :car)) stream) ) couldn't differentiate a car from a car. 22:30:10 -!- vircures [~vircures@c-98-230-174-67.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: vircures] 22:30:25 -!- yacks [~py@103.6.159.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:31:04 -!- zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 22:32:06 pjb: got it 22:32:07 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:32:10 -!- nha [~prefect@koln-4d0b56d8.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:32:15 -!- R-DOG [~russell@c-76-122-135-146.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:32:24 yacks [~py@103.6.159.103] has joined #lisp 22:33:51 -!- kobain [~sambio@unaffiliated/kobain] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:36:31 -!- Emi [~Emi@cpe-76-176-71-218.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:37:27 -!- eiRoo [~other@188.162.65.63] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:37:48 -!- ehu 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