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02:26:18 oh i think i just answered my question... 02:26:32 the .asd file automatically calls the init 02:26:39 which I don't really want to be running in my saved image. 02:26:44 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-182-118.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:26:52 oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-178-5.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 02:27:08 but if I build the image using a monofasl including swank then it shouldn't have init called before the image is dumped... 02:30:05 sszzqq [~sszzqq@58.254.172.185] has joined #lisp 02:31:54 -!- sheilong [~sabayonus@unaffiliated/sheilong] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 02:32:49 gzg` [~user@24-217-211-79.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #lisp 02:32:50 -!- hiroakip [~hiroaki@p5DC61F1F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:34:26 I'm wrong. apparently the .asd file only brings in swank-loader.lisp 02:34:48 then it depends on compiling the swank-backend.lisp at init time 02:35:02 which isn't possible when you don't have a compiler in the lisp... :| 02:35:55 so does anyone know how to load actual swank into a prebuilt image, so I can simply start up the image and call swank:create-server ? 02:36:27 -!- X1234 [Username@92.40.103.35.threembb.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:37:25 load the actual swank before dumping? 02:38:59 -!- bgs100 [~nitrogen@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit [Quit: bgs100] 02:41:54 roger. 02:41:59 Gooder [~user@218.69.12.194] has joined #lisp 02:42:49 -!- desophos [~desophos@n163h87.dhcp.oxy.edu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:43:24 xk05 [~xk05@30.176-62-69.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has joined #lisp 02:45:01 hmm. just calling (swank-loader:init) before doing the dump still requires the compiler 02:45:13 fridim_ [~fridim@bas2-montreal07-2925317643.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 02:45:16 which is normally not in the build image, for making a normal runtime 02:45:51 DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@101.171.248.18] has joined #lisp 02:45:57 i suppose if i want to load swank without a compiler i have to hack swank-loader:init to load precompiled fasls instead of the sources. 02:46:31 i would just look at what swank-loader:init is loading and compiling and do it yourself. 02:46:59 desophos [~desophos@n163h87.dhcp.oxy.edu] has joined #lisp 02:48:22 hiroakip [~hiroaki@77-20-51-63-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 02:49:13 -!- Corvidium [~cosman246@174-21-204-153.tukw.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:50:22 clop2 [~jared@99-23-195-115.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 02:50:52 is there a way to catch a stack overflow? using handler-case with an (error (condition) ...) clause doesn't seem to catch it on CCL 02:53:32 it may or may not be storage-condition. it is on sbcl, at least. 02:54:54 yeah, it is on ccl too. 02:54:58 nice, that works on ccl too 02:55:04 cool thanks! 02:55:09 "Because such a condition is indicative of a limitation of the implementation or of the image rather than an error in a program, objects of type storage-condition are not of type error." 02:55:44 why do you want to trap this, out of curiosity? 02:56:10 no good reason for sure 02:56:26 i need to prohibit #1=(a . #1#) 02:56:39 clhs *print-circle* 02:56:39 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/v_pr_cir.htm 02:56:50 or it can cause certain things to stack overflow 02:56:55 oh, well, i see. 02:57:03 i wouldn't rely on storage-condition being signaled, though... 02:57:14 yeah i should probably be shot for doing it 02:57:38 you can use list-length to see if a list is circular and explicitly disallow it. 02:58:24 interesting, thanks 02:59:15 motionman [~motionman@unaffiliated/motionman] has joined #lisp 03:00:37 -!- sszzqq [~sszzqq@58.254.172.185] has left #lisp 03:02:16 mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has joined #lisp 03:03:08 -!- kirin` [telex@gateway/shell/anapnea.net/x-uhyizllcjosmcway] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:04:50 kirin` [telex@gateway/shell/anapnea.net/x-bxzchpisjjdefubc] has joined #lisp 03:04:55 askatasuna [~askatasun@host23.190-138-61.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 03:06:52 -!- Vivitron [~Vivitron@c-50-172-44-193.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:07:46 Fare [~fare@cpe-72-229-109-116.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 03:09:07 -!- antonv [5d7d2a42@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.125.42.66] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:16:20 beach [~user@ABordeaux-651-1-79-243.w90-5.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 03:16:32 Good morning everyone! 03:16:59 hello beach 03:17:42 Look, Bike and Beach: http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/biking-beach-5425945.jpg 03:18:11 alas, Watermark doesn't seem to be around. 03:18:25 loke: Thanks for sharing. 03:18:30 Just grabbed something frin the image search 03:18:46 bored at the office this morning 03:19:15 Need to take my statistics generated form a benchmark run ofver light and make it presentable with some kind of analysis 03:19:26 not something that is particularly enjoying 03:20:22 Maybe you can write a Lisp program to help you. 03:20:24 -!- npatrick04 [~user@adsl-98-81-162-154.hsv.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:20:52 -!- DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@101.171.248.18] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:20:55 DataLinkD2 [~DataLinkD@101.171.248.18] has joined #lisp 03:24:35 beach: I have 03:24:48 although most of my stuff is shellscript and R 03:25:24 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:25:55 To give me some relief though, I've written an IRC bot for our internal chat, in Lisp. It contains a ridiculuos number of features, because I add stuff to it whenever I'm bored :-) 03:26:16 Sounds like a good plan. 03:26:44 ok time to graduate to real lisp 03:26:49 Here's the depends-on entry: 03:26:50 http://paste.lisp.org/display/139735 03:26:54 -!- namtsui [~user@c-76-21-124-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 03:27:56 namtsui [~user@c-76-21-124-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:28:36 yacks [~py@103.6.159.103] has joined #lisp 03:31:43 -!- echo-area [~user@182.92.247.2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:36:50 -!- gzg` [~user@24-217-211-79.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:37:34 gzg` [~user@24-217-211-79.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #lisp 03:43:43 loke: Is this more evidence that quicklisp changed our lives? 03:44:11 what did CL use before for packages? 03:44:46 foreignFunction1 [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has joined #lisp 03:45:10 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:45:23 -!- foreignFunction1 is now known as foreignFunction 03:46:08 anyone using slime with emacs to dispatch tasks occassionally to the repl? 03:46:14 jaimef: your question is probably a bit too vague, especially since CL has always had packages 03:46:22 -!- axion [~axion@btnund-ai01-74-214-214-174.utma.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 03:47:03 k 03:47:03 beach: It is indeed 03:47:03 beach: I could never really get into CL before QL 03:47:27 Even though I had an interest in it for about a decade and a half prior 03:48:08 -!- askatasuna [~askatasun@host23.190-138-61.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:49:39 In our but, we can do stuff like asking it to prove the air quality information for Beijing (we have an office there) by saying "dora psi beijing", The result looks like this, and illustrates some 5 or so different CL libraries I'm leveraging: 03:49:51 " Air quality as of 2013 Nov 1 12:00: 274.0 (Hazardous (at 24-hour exposure at this level)). History: " 03:53:57 tesuji [~tesuji@unaffiliated/tesuji] has joined #lisp 03:53:57 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-180-126-11.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:54:20 cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-180-126-11.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 03:54:41 loke: what are you using to represent the characters as blocks of variying height? 03:54:59 adhoc: there is a lbrary, CL-SPARK 03:55:05 ah, ta 03:55:07 it just uses the Unicode block characters 03:55:30 It'd be easy to myself, but I would never have bothered until I saw someone created the library 03:56:13 I saw it being new in CL a few months ago, and started thinking of a good way to use it. Then it dawned on me; Air quality! The most work was finding some service that provided the information as a web service 03:56:23 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 03:56:41 what kind of sensors do you use to determine air quality? 03:56:58 seg [~seg@fsf/member/seg] has joined #lisp 03:57:07 Then, drakma, cxml and xpath is used to extract the information, cl-ppcrew to parse the content of some fields, and local-time to process the timestamps 03:57:32 I only get Singapore and Beijing air quality data now: 03:57:42 http://app2.nea.gov.sg/data/rss/nea_psi.xml 03:57:58 http://www.stateair.net/web/rss/1/1.xml 03:59:31 -!- platypine [platypine@unaffiliated/doritos] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:00:12 interesting 04:01:05 -!- yacks [~py@103.6.159.103] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:01:24 axion [~axion@btnund-ai01-74-214-214-174.utma.com] has joined #lisp 04:01:25 -!- DataLinkD2 [~DataLinkD@101.171.248.18] has quit [Quit: Disconnecting -- bye] 04:01:38 -!- hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 04:03:05 samskulls [~user@S0106001111de1fc8.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 04:03:18 -!- benny [~user@i577A2135.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:06:04 -!- hiroakip [~hiroaki@77-20-51-63-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:07:36 nicdev [user@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fedf:4986] has joined #lisp 04:09:05 danielszmulewicz [~danielszm@5.22.135.239] has joined #lisp 04:09:59 adhoc: No. Awesome :-) 04:13:55 beach: The makefile of LispOS documentation you uploaded today doesn't terminate. Is it supposed to produce the pdf at this current stage? 04:14:51 benny [~user@i577A85D0.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 04:19:22 Lispos? 04:20:06 -!- bananagram [~bot@c-76-30-158-226.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:20:17 https://github.com/robert-strandh/LispOS 04:26:58 DrCode [~DrCode@gateway/tor-sasl/drcode] has joined #lisp 04:28:05 hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has joined #lisp 04:28:22 -!- CrazyEddy [~Hemerocal@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:29:40 ggole [~ggole@58-7-106-15.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 04:30:00 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 04:30:03 emacs? 04:31:54 cdidd [~cdidd@95-26-6-39.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 04:33:05 -!- hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 04:33:07 -!- seg [~seg@fsf/member/seg] has quit [Quit: adios amigos] 04:33:43 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:34:52 PuercoPop: Yes, it is supposed to. I don't know what the problem is. 04:34:57 Let me check... 04:35:22 robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 04:36:14 PuercoPop: Hmm, works for me. 04:36:36 It terminates with an error though, because there are no citations. 04:36:49 But the PDF gets generated correctly here. 04:37:00 is drakma the hotness for say submitting to a remote api over json? 04:38:12 jaimef: I dont know about hotness, but yes, its the usual way. 04:38:28 PuercoPop: Do you have any clue as to what the problem is? 04:38:51 sellout-: thanks 04:42:31 CrazyEddy [~deipnosop@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has joined #lisp 04:45:22 ipmonger_ [~IPmonger@pool-72-94-39-57.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 04:46:46 -!- ipmonger [~IPmonger@pool-72-94-39-57.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:46:46 -!- ipmonger_ is now known as ipmonger 04:48:36 hamh [~ubuntu@ec2-54-202-9-58.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com] has joined #lisp 04:50:07 Hi 04:50:26 Hello hamh. 04:51:05 hamh: New here? 04:51:16 loke is CL-SPARK in quicklisp? 04:51:21 or am i missing something? 04:51:59 it is 04:52:09 beach: Hey, yea. I'm looking for recommendations for a good CL book, and stuck between ANSI Common Lisp and Practical Common Lisp 04:52:14 i'm running this; (ql:system-apropos "cl-spark") 04:52:22 but its returns NIL 04:52:31 adhoc: When did you update QL last? 04:52:38 a few minutes ago 04:52:51 hamh: Most people here seem to think that Graham's style is a bit strange, so they recommend PCL. 04:52:53 (ql:update-all-dists) 04:52:54 1 dist to check. 04:52:54 You already have the latest version of "quicklisp": 2013-10-03. 04:53:08 i'll just restart sbcl 04:53:13 i see spark too. 04:53:30 ok, but wait thre is more, a whole lot more to update 04:53:33 BBL 04:53:35 loke: ta =) 04:53:41 beach: Thanks. How long did it take you to be proficient with CL? 04:54:48 adhoc: cl-spark was introduced to QL several months ago. How old is your installation? 04:54:48 hamh: I think it's like with anything else. It is widely believed that it takes 10000 hours to become proficient in anything. 04:55:33 beach: If one has decent development experience and an understanding of concepts such as closures, it won't take 10000 hours to be proficient in CL 04:55:36 hamh: Luckily, you can get a lot of things done long before that :) 04:56:17 loke: possibly just after the release of QL 04:56:26 adhoc: wow 04:56:30 *adhoc* doesn't do much cl stuff on this machine 04:56:40 loke: I am not going to argue with you since we don't have a precise definition of "proficient", and since 10000 hours is an order of magnitude anyway.l 04:56:42 adhoc: I envy you. So many cool packages to explore :-) 04:56:45 machine at home sees more experimemtation 04:57:36 Generally, I think the term is 'master' rather than 'proficient'. Competence is more easily acquired than mastery. 04:57:50 Sounds right. 04:57:59 beach: hmm upon further inspection I think it because I don't have the fig2dev executable instaled 04:58:13 PuercoPop: Oh, yes, that could explain it. 04:58:32 PuercoPop: Let me know if you succeed after installing it. 04:58:43 Apprenticeships are about 2,000 hours, by contrast. 05:01:08 alezost [~user@128-70-197-79.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 05:01:40 \o/ ("cl-spark") installed =) 05:01:42 -!- zenoli [~pk@109.201.152.228] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 05:01:45 ok 05:02:31 Zhivago: I'd read somewhere that CL is as baroque as C++, so wanted to know what I was getting myself in to 05:03:25 hamh: Don't believe everything you read. 05:03:52 actually, CL is more renaissance than baroque 05:03:57 hamh: Where did you read that? 05:04:19 (incf Fare) 05:04:25 hamh: CL is more cluttered with ancient libraries. 05:04:35 The language core isn't paticularly complicated. 05:04:36 loke: I don't remember offhand 05:04:49 the devil is in the details. 05:05:01 However, learning a language is reasonably easy -- what takes the 10,000 hours is mastering programming. 05:05:43 hamh: People say weird things all the time. 05:05:46 in a few days or weeks you know enough of the language to be productive. 05:05:51 Nothing is as baroque as C++ 05:06:34 "In the long run every program becomes rococo - then rubble" 05:07:00 -!- Bike [~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 05:07:06 loke: I actually like the flavor of C++ that way, but I can't imagine who would have enough room in their lives for 2 times as much of it 05:07:18 Even things like COBOL and FORTRAN has evolved do become somewhat reasonable. Only C++ has embraced the barqueness and taken it to unprecedented levels. 05:07:23 CL has already gone through the rubble stage once, and bounced back 05:08:25 Zhivago, what ancient library are you thinking of that is still in use? iterate? 05:08:26 -!- Gooder [~user@218.69.12.194] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:08:30 PCL? 05:08:43 LOOP? 05:08:46 Actually, now that I think about it, there is one other language that is almost as insane as C++, and that's ATS 05:09:02 the one with logical proofs? 05:09:13 Fare: yes. 05:09:14 well, then, Epigram... 05:09:55 Fare: but it's worse than that. They have lots and lots of esoteric syntactical quirks that's the way they are just becasue. 05:10:26 Bike [~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu] has joined #lisp 05:11:17 segmondx [~segmond@108.67.103.163] has joined #lisp 05:11:33 Fare: All of the ancient crap merged into the spec. 05:11:58 just be glad PL1 died a long time ago 05:13:11 PL/I isn't that bad 05:13:19 adhoc: Actually, PL/I is quite good. 05:13:28 adhoc: Especially the Multics implementation of it. 05:14:17 you jest? 05:14:21 -!- segmond [~segmond@108.67.100.32] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:14:25 Is there an emulator that can run Multics out there? 05:14:59 is there an implementation of pl1 not on big iron these days? 05:15:11 loke: Maybe so. multicians.org might have something. 05:17:45 drakma is a life savor 05:17:48 saver 05:20:02 Thanks for the help! 05:20:07 -!- hamh [~ubuntu@ec2-54-202-9-58.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com] has left #lisp 05:20:17 Vivitron [~Vivitron@c-50-172-44-193.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 05:20:48 jaimef: it's pretty useful 05:21:24 That, and cxml/xpath and cl-ppcre 05:21:43 jaimef: it's pretty useful 05:23:39 -!- xk05 [~xk05@30.176-62-69.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 05:25:47 xk05 [~xk05@30.176-62-69.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has joined #lisp 05:26:02 yeah been racking my brains out in elisp parsing json from apis. this is a nice easy conversion 05:26:27 CL have any sort of (type-of)? 05:26:27 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 05:26:43 yeap 05:27:37 seangrove [~user@c-69-181-197-122.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 05:27:46 what do you need it for? 05:28:01 ltbarcly [~textual@pool-71-116-67-9.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 05:28:23 jaimef: there is TYPE-OF in CL, yes 05:28:53 hmm what about pp? pretty print? 05:29:03 hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has joined #lisp 05:29:16 jaimef: you mean PRINT? 05:29:29 that will have to do :P 05:29:34 no need to yell :P 05:29:40 there is also FORMAT 05:29:54 yeap 05:29:58 and, say, pprint. 05:30:16 Bike thanks. that's it 05:30:48 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:32:04 jaimef: what are you trying to do? 05:33:17 there is to do, or not to do, there is no trying 05:33:27 :P 05:33:32 loke interrogate an object 05:33:45 print it out so I can see what it is. results from an api hit 05:33:51 -!- hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:33:56 typically a job for pretty print 05:34:08 jaimef: I press C-c C-v TAB 05:34:10 :-) 05:34:16 eval buffer? 05:34:37 jaimef: No, it opens the object under the cursor in the inspector 05:34:45 in which editor? 05:34:52 jaimef: SLIME 05:34:53 ahh 05:34:59 nice 05:35:16 unbound here. will fix 05:35:32 Returned object sin the SLIME REPL are the "real" objects, and not just textual representations of them 05:35:59 You can tell, because they are red 05:36:13 you have a nicer setup then. :P 05:37:01 loke your setup on github? 05:37:02 jaimef: You're not using SLIME? 05:37:11 I am, just no colors. 05:37:29 and no binding to ^c^v 05:37:56 jaimef: Hmm... in the modeline in the REPL buffer, what does it say? 05:38:09 is it called "slime-repl" or does it say "inferior lisp"? 05:40:05 comint:run wg helm projectile 05:40:09 inferior 05:40:19 jaimef: ah, that's your problem then 05:40:30 that's not slime. 05:40:44 Bike: yeah 05:41:05 https://gist.github.com/7261347 05:41:24 I track the latest usually 05:42:01 M-x slime brings that up. hmm must be using the wrong package 05:42:26 jaimef: no 05:42:36 jaimef: it's just that you don't enable everything 05:43:01 thus configuration as I suggested earlier. :P 05:43:08 http://paste.lisp.org/display/139737 05:43:11 that's what I do 05:43:28 nice 05:43:33 that call to slime-load is the important one 05:43:43 excellent thanks. 05:43:54 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:44:37 I have no idea why that is not the default. So many people use the inferior lisp version without even knowing the awesomeness that is the SLIME REPL. I certainly didn't for a long time. 05:44:56 nice. 05:45:19 askatasuna [~askatasun@host74.200-45-189.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 05:45:36 igotnolegs- [~igotnoleg@67-2-125-175.slkc.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 05:46:17 what's the quicklisp name for the slime helper? 05:46:27 quicklisp-slime-helper. 05:46:32 -!- igotnolegs- [~igotnoleg@67-2-125-175.slkc.qwest.net] has quit [Client Quit] 05:46:46 ahh thanks 05:46:53 never remember the apropos command 05:47:58 jaimef: me neither. But when you have the proper SLIME REPL, all I do is type "(ql:aprop" and then press Control-TAB 05:48:10 it expands that into system-apropos 05:48:11 very nice 05:48:18 (thanks to the fuzzy-complete thingy) 05:48:51 echo-area [~user@182.92.247.2] has joined #lisp 05:49:44 hmm slime-autoloads not provided 05:49:50 eldog [~eldog@host-80-47-237-166.as13285.net] has joined #lisp 05:51:19 jaimef: maybe you have another version fo slime somwheer? 05:51:58 yeah thought I unloaded it, will nuke it from orbit 05:52:54 marko-v [~user@cable-24-135-64-52.dynamic.sbb.rs] has joined #lisp 05:53:05 -!- marko-v [~user@cable-24-135-64-52.dynamic.sbb.rs] has quit [Changing host] 05:53:22 marko-v [~user@unaffiliated/marko-v] has joined #lisp 05:53:25 ok time to reboot the emacs 05:58:04 Harag [~Thunderbi@105-236-145-27.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 06:01:51 -!- stardiviner [~stardivin@112.10.117.211] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:05:53 -!- askatasuna [~askatasun@host74.200-45-189.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:06:04 mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has joined #lisp 06:07:22 mathrick: ping! 06:09:39 stardiviner [~stardivin@112.10.117.211] has joined #lisp 06:13:01 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:14:41 foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has joined #lisp 06:16:05 loke: thanks this is much nicer 06:19:48 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:20:37 drakma takes a bit to load I see 06:21:17 mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has joined #lisp 06:22:57 -!- stardiviner [~stardivin@112.10.117.211] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:27:10 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 06:28:09 nipra [~nipra@61.12.27.114] has joined #lisp 06:28:18 harish_ [~harish@194.6.182.13] has joined #lisp 06:29:46 hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has joined #lisp 06:30:39 06:30:55 holy shit. a compiled binary is fast! 06:30:58 unf 06:33:59 mrSpec [~Spec@88.208.105.6] has joined #lisp 06:33:59 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@88.208.105.6] has quit [Changing host] 06:33:59 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 06:35:04 -!- hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:35:18 kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 06:35:39 -!- marsam [~marsam@162.243.38.157] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:36:22 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-1-103.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 06:36:32 marsam [~marsam@162.243.38.157] has joined #lisp 06:37:31 clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has joined #lisp 06:37:40 -!- danielszmulewicz [~danielszm@5.22.135.239] has quit [Quit: danielszmulewicz] 06:37:50 danlentz [~danlentz@c-68-37-70-235.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 06:42:23 STilda_ [bca2a63a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.162.166.58] has joined #lisp 06:46:43 -!- marsam [~marsam@162.243.38.157] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:47:31 -!- vnz [~vnz@unaffiliated/vnz] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 06:48:17 Hi. What would be a better choice to write a simple 2D opengl game for several players connected via internet? For Windows. As I see there are two free candidates SBCL (windows fork) and CCL. I use SBCL at the moment but do not know about how stable it is in the things I will need for this game (sockets, threading, ...). Anybody have any comments? 06:48:52 I seem to remember something about threading under windows being a bit iffy -- you might want to check to see the current status. 06:49:06 marsam [~marsam@162.243.38.157] has joined #lisp 06:49:11 vnz [~vnz@unaffiliated/vnz] has joined #lisp 06:49:53 I just do not nkow what can be wrong with them? what do I have to check? 06:50:05 -!- Harag [~Thunderbi@105-236-145-27.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Quit: Harag] 06:50:08 Probably a mailing list or release notes or something. 06:53:42 jaimef: So does the inspector work for you now? 06:54:20 STilda_: I have noticed most Windows CL'ers seem to use CCL. 06:54:36 On the rare occasions I have used Windows, I used SBCL and it worked fine. 06:55:06 good, thanks. About SBCL, I found a lot of info that involves too much low level OS details, so I can not get an impression how stable threading is. 06:55:29 STilda_: Just write your code to be portable, and you'll be good. 06:55:46 Arguably ABCL is very stable too 06:56:16 loke, it is hard to do for begginer :-) 06:58:46 -!- marsam [~marsam@162.243.38.157] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:59:00 -!- vnz [~vnz@unaffiliated/vnz] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:59:05 mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has joined #lisp 06:59:15 STilda_, for Windows threads, I'd say CCL is probably safer 06:59:35 -!- marko-v [~user@unaffiliated/marko-v] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:00:01 danielszmulewicz [~danielszm@94.159.215.84] has joined #lisp 07:00:02 corman is stablest of all: unlikely to change 07:00:26 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:00:46 sdemarre [~serge@91.180.102.67] has joined #lisp 07:01:07 marsam [~marsam@162.243.38.157] has joined #lisp 07:01:43 vnz [~vnz@unaffiliated/vnz] has joined #lisp 07:04:49 I will probably go with CCL, thanks. Hope speed will be not a problem for my simple game. 07:05:27 STilda_: I'm pretty sure that regardless of the CL implementation you choose performance won't be a problem. 07:05:34 Even if you were to choose even Clisp 07:05:46 -!- Fare [~fare@cpe-72-229-109-116.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:06:31 loke, very nice to hear. BTW, who tried to do GPU computations in CL? 07:06:51 -!- clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:07:14 STilda_: generic computation, or grpahics? 07:07:23 clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has joined #lisp 07:07:41 -!- clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 07:08:14 clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has joined #lisp 07:12:38 loke, graphics could mean opengl. I do not mean this. Generic computations. 07:12:55 I experimented with CL-CUDA, but could never get it to work 07:13:14 sad 07:13:30 is it broken binding or what? 07:14:36 GPU + lisp seems to be a very powerfull tool, worth lerning I think. 07:15:02 -!- aoh [~aki@unaffiliated/aoh] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:15:09 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:16:10 aoh [~aki@adsl-99-115.netplaza.fi] has joined #lisp 07:17:03 -!- tesuji [~tesuji@unaffiliated/tesuji] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:28:26 -!- clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:28:37 clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has joined #lisp 07:30:36 hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has joined #lisp 07:32:14 -!- STilda_ [bca2a63a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.162.166.58] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:32:47 STilda [bca2a63a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.162.166.58] has joined #lisp 07:35:04 -!- namtsui 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to Lisp 08:16:06 lo my code: 08:16:07 (defun my-length (list) (if list (+ 1 (my-length (cdr list))) 0)) 08:16:07 08:16:07 (princ (my-length '(list with four symbols))) 08:16:19 askatasu1 [~askatasun@host198.200-45-181.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 08:16:24 please do not paste code here, use paste.lisp.org 08:16:25 better: http://pastebin.com/Pqr7zzHq 08:16:34 -!- askatasuna [~askatasun@host107.190-230-73.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:16:55 gabmint_: Any particular reason you chose to use recursion here? 08:16:57 what's your question? 08:17:14 does cdr return an integer here? why? and what exactly is responsible for the iteration here? 08:17:19 -!- danielszmulewicz [~danielszm@94.159.215.84] has quit [Quit: danielszmulewicz] 08:17:49 gabmint_: cdr returns the second element of a cons cell, whatever it is. 08:18:06 something tells me you're not only new to lisp, but are using something wrong to learn it 08:18:07 gabmint_: the iteration in your code is facilitated by the recursive invocation of my-length 08:18:14 the second element is "with" but it seems to be getting an integer 08:18:40 ok! but what makes it recursive? 08:18:43 gabmint_: what makes you think that? use the repl to try out things. 08:18:52 gabmint_: do you understand recursion? 08:19:10 do you know any other programming languages? 08:19:13 I know what recursion is, I cannot always spot it on code 08:19:20 minion: gentle? 08:19:21 gentle: "Common Lisp: A Gentle Introduction to Symbolic Computation" is a smoother introduction to lisp programming. http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/LispBook/ 08:19:27 -!- clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:19:30 gabmint_: recursion is when a function calls itself. 08:19:33 -!- gzg` [~user@24-217-211-79.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:20:41 but how come the cdr is getting numbers out of a list of data? 08:20:51 gabmint_: it is not. 08:20:59 I have some notions of C++ and good old 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somewhat serviceable state for a while 10:01:33 Did you miss what I said? 10:01:47 minion: logs 10:01:47 logs: #lisp logs are available at http://ccl.clozure.com/irc-logs/lisp/ (since 2008-09) and http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/lisp/ (since 2000) 10:02:28 beach: it turns out I did 10:02:30 *mathrick* reads logs 10:02:36 stassats: thanks 10:02:40 OK, I'll wait :) 10:02:42 minion: thanks 10:02:42 np 10:03:07 *stassats* waits for beach to tell minion to define emacs macros to expand "np" into "no problem" 10:03:26 beach: cool, and yeah, that was the plan. So far I'm still hoping for next year, so it's holding up 10:03:33 stassats: heh. Tempting! 10:03:44 beach: what ideas did you get? 10:03:58 mathrick: Lots of stuff. 10:04:03 Better CL mode for one thing. 10:04:07 heheh 10:04:10 *much* better. 10:04:18 beach: I was doing some idle thinking about having complex multi-layered buffers while still keeping them editable 10:04:40 that's going to be the tough one 10:04:41 mathrick: You'll like what I am suggesting now then. 10:05:01 it was directly prompted by considering the scenario of Tag Multiple Query Replace From Buffer, but it's applicable to many things 10:05:04 mathrick: I am representing a buffer as a splay tree of lines. 10:05:04 beach: oh? 10:05:26 what about flexichains? 10:05:35 mathrick: probably not. 10:05:42 mathrick: I'll compare the two. 10:05:52 mathrick: A line *could* be a flexichain. 10:05:59 we'll see. 10:06:19 -!- ft [efftee@oldshell.chaostreff-dortmund.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:06:44 beach: I haven't played with flexichains, but from your description, it seemed like flexichains supported just the operations we wanted, ie. quick local access with fast relocation of the locus and compact representation 10:07:26 True. 10:07:44 However, it is hard to attach additional items such as parser state. 10:07:49 ah 10:08:05 beach: anyway, splay trees are fine, but I meant the other problems. Namely, if you have a buffer which can delegate parts to other buffers, with objects that aren't text, then editing them becomes tricky 10:08:51 I believe you. :) 10:08:54 consider Tag Multiple Query Replace From Buffer 10:09:12 you want to do that for operations generally referred to as "refactoring" 10:09:29 So one buffer contains the before/after pairs? 10:09:33 yes 10:09:44 and it runs all replacements simultaneously 10:09:59 but if you do refactoring, you want tags to be actual tags, ie. symbols which are the same thing, not just the same text 10:10:06 so you want tags to be non-text objects 10:10:16 OK, I see. 10:10:40 but editing them needs them to be text, and have some kind of textual representation that can be edited and then folded back into being a tag 10:11:06 OK, I sort of see. 10:11:08 it also comes up with just Zmacs-style tag highlighting when you mouse over things 10:11:38 beach: it becomes even more complex when you have images say, or vector graphics, or embedded gadgets 10:12:13 So in which buffer do you have non-text and in which do you have text to be edited? 10:12:34 https://gist.github.com/7263397 #: NIL isn't fbound. 10:13:15 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 10:13:33 mathrick: Sorry, I am kind of slow :( 10:13:34 your argument to sb-thread:make-thread is wrong 10:13:44 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:14:05 beach: 'tis fine, I'm even slower when it comes to knowing about efficient buffer representations :) 10:14:05 typing, btw, so hang on 10:14:15 beach: the ideal UI for refactoring would be split into several phases: collect tags you want to query replace, so for each tag of interest, you go over it and M-x Collect Tag For Replacement 10:15:01 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@5.251.140.27] has joined #lisp 10:15:01 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@5.251.140.27] has quit [Changing host] 10:15:01 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 10:15:23 mathrick: OK, I am beginning to understand. 10:15:30 once you have the set to operate on, you have a bunch of tags in a buffer aside, and M-x Prepare Replacements Buffer, which pairs each tag with its candidate replacement, initially just a duplicate 10:15:38 then you edit all the replacements 10:15:44 that needs them to be text 10:15:57 then actual M-x Tag Multiple Query Replace From Buffer 10:16:10 mathrick: Got it. 10:16:16 That should not be a problem. 10:16:35 no, because tags in CL code are fundamentally textual 10:16:55 but what if you have a buffer which is literate code, including illustrations and rendered TeX code? 10:16:59 mathrick: It depends on what you mean by a "tag"? 10:17:02 exactly 10:17:39 As long as you allow the buffer to contain any object, it should work, right? 10:17:56 beach: one of the biggest problems of GNU Emacs is that it really only knows about text, and very dumb text at that. The only way it can stuff non-text things into a buffer, like images, is by pretending they're just oversized funky characters 10:18:07 well yes, but then how do you edit an image? 10:18:28 -!- echo-area [~user@182.92.247.2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:18:33 I see. Hence the multi-level. 10:18:43 GuestC6248 [~op106@84.233.246.170] has joined #lisp 10:18:50 the thing I'm thinking about now is defining a protocol either to define meaningful editing behaviour or meaningful exclusion from editing for arbitrary objects a buffer can contain 10:18:57 which includes parts of other buffers 10:19:14 mathrick: OK, I see. 10:19:30 in other words, it's an obvious problem to have, but I'm not sure what the obvious, robust solution to it is :) 10:19:42 it'll likely need a lot of exploration and tinkering 10:19:45 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has left #lisp 10:19:48 Yes, indeed. 10:19:53 -!- GuestC6248 [~op106@84.233.246.170] has left #lisp 10:19:59 I'll keep it in mind so I won't do anything to disallow it. 10:20:07 cool 10:20:14 stassats thanks 10:20:29 ... and let you think some more. Maybe I'll give it some thought eventually. 10:21:11 beach: a specific kind of "arbitrary objects" that will be extra tricky is structured graphics (think class diagram or a tree). It's something I explicitly want to have, because I know what happens when you don't and still try to support both graphical and terminal displays: GNU Emacs happens 10:21:41 structured graphics being tricky because it's at once really text and really non-textual objects 10:22:08 mathrick: Your line got cut off after "GNU Emacs happens" 10:22:15 no, it's where it ended 10:22:23 OK. 10:22:24 then the next one follows 10:22:34 *beach* re-reads. 10:23:20 mathrick: I think I understand what you want. I don't know how to do it, though. :) 10:23:29 But it's an interesting problem to consider. 10:23:47 beach: I mean that GNU Emacs does its buttons for example by applying a bunch of hacky styling on pieces of text. Meaning it's really crappy on a GUI display and doesn't behave like real buttons, but it also breaks down nicely when unprepared code tries to do things with them on a terminal 10:23:50 you get the worst of both worlds 10:24:08 beach: aye. Interesting problems is what we're here for, no? :) 10:24:15 Indeed. 10:24:21 -!- robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:24:32 mathrick: The button-in-a-buffer problem is solved by CLIM3. 10:24:36 robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 10:24:45 mathrick: The question is how to edit them. I don't know that. 10:25:17 clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has joined #lisp 10:25:17 yeah, we'll see. But if you at least solved the issue of having them there in the first place, that's already a crucial step 10:25:47 Sure. Actually, that problem was already solved in CLIM II. 10:26:02 clim with-output-as-gadget 10:26:14 what, no specbot? 10:26:33 *grumble* 10:26:41 beach: btw, a question for the future, but the first thing I'll want to do before Climacs is to write a small CLIM2 app to teach myself CLIM and also be able to appreciate the differences between 2 and 3. Any ideas what a good, small but not trivial problem to code would be? 10:27:10 if it's been solved before it's also good because that gives me a reference for how to do things and a base to compare against 10:27:27 mathrick: One possibility: calendar 10:27:36 oh, that sounds sensible 10:27:54 mathrick: Non-trivial but not *too* hard. 10:27:59 mhm 10:28:16 mathrick: And I wrote it already :) 10:28:21 hehe 10:28:21 gabnet [~user@ACaen-652-1-224-116.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 10:28:30 OK, then it'll probably be a calendar 10:28:59 mathrick: It is a good one, because even a trivial solution is somewhat useful. 10:29:00 beach: and if I get the job I'm hoping for, I'll have plenty of contact with windows, meaning I'll have incentive to produce a win32 backend too 10:29:09 But then it can be extended as much as you like. 10:29:20 mathrick: Oh, nice! 10:29:43 peterhil [~peterhil@gw4.tieturi.com] has joined #lisp 10:30:37 mathrick: When will we know? 10:31:16 within the month hopefully. I'm applying for a bunch of C# positions now, so either of those will likely result in a pure-MSFT environment for me 10:31:58 All in the same city? 10:32:30 yeah, I try to exhaust the local pool first 10:32:50 chr [~user@148.122.202.244] has joined #lisp 10:32:51 OK, good luck. Keep us informed! 10:32:53 hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has joined #lisp 10:32:58 thanks, I will 10:33:04 malbertife [~malbertif@host33-59-dynamic.21-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 10:37:44 -!- hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:38:26 -!- syamajala [~syamajala@htr06-1-82-227-229-187.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:40:34 -!- nipra [~nipra@61.12.27.114] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:40:53 stepnem [~stepnem@internet2.cznet.cz] has joined #lisp 10:42:38 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 10:42:58 -!- robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:43:37 robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 10:46:11 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:46:44 zenoli [~pk@109.201.154.185] has joined #lisp 10:46:50 -!- gaa [~user@stgt-5f719179.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:48:22 segv- [~mb@95-91-243-143-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 10:49:18 -!- zophy [~sy@host-94-20-107-208.midco.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:50:53 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Disconnected by services] 10:51:07 -!- kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 10:51:18 -!- benny [~user@i577A85D0.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 24.3.1] 10:51:18 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 10:51:31 hitecnologys_ [~hitecnolo@178.74.93.173] has joined #lisp 10:51:58 ln` [~op106@84.233.246.170] has joined #lisp 10:54:16 -!- hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@46.233.241.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:54:59 -!- Joreji_ [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:59:11 -!- gabnet [~user@ACaen-652-1-224-116.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:00:51 -!- yrk [~user@pdpc/supporter/student/yrk] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:01:00 -!- segv- [~mb@95-91-243-143-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:02:12 -!- seangrove [~user@c-69-181-197-122.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 11:03:17 -!- ski_ is now known as ski 11:04:40 mc40 [~mcheema@146.255.107.116] has joined #lisp 11:04:50 benny [~user@i577A85D0.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 11:07:00 -!- robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:07:39 namtsui [~user@c-76-21-124-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 11:08:29 robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 11:08:36 -!- Code_Man` [~Code_Man@242-124.2-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:11:25 yrk [~user@c-50-133-134-220.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 11:11:38 -!- yrk [~user@c-50-133-134-220.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 11:11:38 yrk [~user@pdpc/supporter/student/yrk] has joined #lisp 11:15:33 -!- askatasuna [~askatasun@host164.201-253-82.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:15:40 -!- ln` [~op106@84.233.246.170] has left #lisp 11:16:57 askatasuna [~askatasun@host136.190-230-67.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 11:17:05 segv- [~mb@95-91-243-143-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 11:19:39 mijicd [~user@cable-89-216-31-170.static.sbb.rs] has joined #lisp 11:22:14 -!- mijicd [~user@cable-89-216-31-170.static.sbb.rs] has quit [Client Quit] 11:30:18 hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has joined #lisp 11:32:59 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 11:33:01 -!- Sgeo [~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:33:40 -!- karupanerura is now known as zz_karupanerura 11:34:53 -!- sirdancealo2 [~sirdancea@194.228.11.188] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:35:09 mijicd [~user@cable-89-216-31-170.static.sbb.rs] has joined #lisp 11:36:14 -!- mijicd [~user@cable-89-216-31-170.static.sbb.rs] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:36:47 mijicd [~user@cable-89-216-31-170.static.sbb.rs] has joined #lisp 11:37:42 gravicappa [~gravicapp@80.90.116.82] has joined #lisp 11:39:32 zacharias_ [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 11:40:47 Re: stable-sort, if predicate has no notion of the ordering of particular elements, shouldn't these elements maintain their relative ordering? I have pasted a sample in http://paste.lisp.org/display/139741 , I wonder why f and d switch places in my example. 11:41:56 -!- mijicd [~user@cable-89-216-31-170.static.sbb.rs] has quit [Quit: Bye] 11:42:17 Could of course be that I did something stupid unrelated to stable-sort. 11:42:38 -!- zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:42:40 Same behaviour in LW and SBCL. 11:43:13 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 11:44:55 -!- clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:45:27 clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has joined #lisp 11:49:51 -!- clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:50:44 -!- edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-109-193-013-113.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: experience vanished into mental disaster] 11:51:42 chr: stable-sort only maintains relative ordering between elements which are equal 11:51:49 to each other 11:53:51 newcup [newcup@peruna.fi] has joined #lisp 11:54:15 ikki [~ikki@201.141.92.24] has joined #lisp 11:54:31 clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has joined #lisp 11:54:45 chr: for example, what your predicate returns when called with arguments f, d 11:55:25 and what it returns when called with d, f 11:55:25 askatasu1 [~askatasun@host61.190-230-64.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 11:56:08 -!- askatasuna [~askatasun@host136.190-230-67.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:57:52 add^_ [~user@m5-241-189-182.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 11:58:18 antonv: Let's see. My intention is that as none of them are present in order-list, I return t in both cases. Aha! I should only return T if they are non-equal _and_ first is less than second. Got it. 12:01:38 -!- zacharias_ is now known as zacharias 12:03:14 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:04:13 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 12:05:19 chr: yes, the predicate meaning is "less" 12:06:28 chr: and if it returns FALSE for both f, d and d, f then f and d are considered equal 12:06:50 chr: neither of them is less then the other 12:11:22 arnas [arnas@78-63-18-208.static.zebra.lt] has joined #lisp 12:11:57 Karl_dscc [~localhost@p578FC693.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 12:12:06 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 12:12:06 -!- add^_ [~user@m5-241-189-182.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 12:13:00 zophy [~sy@host-94-20-107-208.midco.net] has joined #lisp 12:13:14 -!- askatasu1 [~askatasun@host61.190-230-64.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:15:30 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-21-15.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:16:58 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:22:38 -!- zickzackv [~faot@port-92-198-30-130.static.qsc.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:25:40 echo-area [~user@111.196.4.210] has joined #lisp 12:26:59 askatasu1 [~askatasun@host52.190-224-61.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 12:27:16 zickzackv [~faot@port-92-198-30-130.static.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 12:29:30 attila_lendvai1 [~attila_le@5.251.140.27] has joined #lisp 12:29:30 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Disconnected by services] 12:29:31 -!- attila_lendvai1 [~attila_le@5.251.140.27] has quit [Changing host] 12:29:31 attila_lendvai1 [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 12:34:54 -!- Karl_dscc [~localhost@p578FC693.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:36:27 sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 12:37:01 hi 12:38:44 Hi! 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Allegedly, one can pass --dynamic-space-size 128 to the "sbcl build process". Yet sh make.sh balks at that option (sbcl 1.1.13). Any ideas? 13:50:52 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:50:53 = 13:51:23 and 128 is asking for trouble 13:52:11 ah - thanks! Well, the actual number I'm passing is 524288. Think that is enough? :-) 13:53:22 araujo_ [~araujo@190.73.45.171] has joined #lisp 13:53:47 512Gb would be shorter 13:54:50 heh 13:55:36 -!- attila_lendvai1 [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:56:12 -!- harish_ [~harish@194.6.182.13] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:57:15 -!- araujo_ [~araujo@190.73.45.171] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:57:56 hi 13:59:03 -!- zophy [~sy@host-94-20-107-208.midco.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:59:15 -!- pavelpenev [~quassel@melontech.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:59:26 hello Posterdati. 13:59:51 -!- normanrichards [~textual@70.114.215.220] has quit [] 14:00:49 araujo_ [~araujo@190.73.45.171] has joined #lisp 14:00:49 -!- araujo_ [~araujo@190.73.45.171] has quit [Client Quit] 14:01:48 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@gw4.tieturi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:01:59 cory786 [~cory@PAT99.wifi.utoledo.edu] has joined #lisp 14:02:26 -!- STilda 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setStatusBar found on # with arguments (#) 14:28:17 it's defined only for QMainWindow, yet you have QWidget 14:28:53 if you want to use QWidget, just add the status bar into your layout 14:29:09 -!- duggiefresh [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:29:12 -!- clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:29:15 duggiefresh [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has joined #lisp 14:29:20 sellout- [~Adium@c-71-56-237-72.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:30:01 I'm not using a layout object in main window 14:30:19 malbertife [~malbertif@host33-59-dynamic.21-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 14:31:51 -!- kwmiebach [~kwmiebach@xdsl-87-79-46-226.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:32:51 kwmiebach [~kwmiebach@xdsl-87-79-46-226.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 14:33:35 clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has joined #lisp 14:33:37 LiamH [~healy@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #lisp 14:35:15 stassats: so main-window is not a 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Too late now :P 18:31:21 *Bike* checks, finds that lispworks is on version six. 18:31:48 Bike: remember a certain system named SunOS? :> 18:32:07 ck`` [~ck@dslb-094-219-255-002.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 18:32:10 Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 18:33:21 -!- mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:35:52 -!- hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@178.74.93.173] has quit [Quit: hitecnologys] 18:36:36 arnas [arnas@78-63-18-208.static.zebra.lt] has joined #lisp 18:36:55 -!- beach [~user@ABordeaux-651-1-79-243.w90-5.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 18:37:36 -!- ck`` [~ck@dslb-094-219-255-002.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:38:12 -!- sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 18:38:37 -!- |JRG| [c209f0f0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.194.9.240.240] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:38:45 -!- normanrichards [~textual@cpe-24-27-51-104.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [] 18:40:00 chris_l [~quassel@p5091E019.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 18:40:55 davazp [~user@178.167.221.105.threembb.ie] has joined #lisp 18:44:42 -!- joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@086.112-30-64.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:45:04 joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@086.112-30-64.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has joined #lisp 18:46:20 sohail [~sohail@69-165-161-49.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 18:46:20 -!- sohail [~sohail@69-165-161-49.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Changing host] 18:46:20 sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 18:47:12 what is the correct way to grovel a struct that contains references to other structs? 18:47:36 -!- Kabaka [~Kabaka@botters/kabaka] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:47:43 can I do e.g. :type (:struct sockaddr) 18:47:59 you mean, have a slot of type sockaddr? 18:48:01 references? You mean pointer I guess? 18:48:06 (:pointer (:struct sockaddr)) 18:48:33 or do you mean that a field of a structure is itself a structure? 18:48:40 yes, the latter 18:48:48 yeah, just do :type sockaddr 18:49:20 since there's a sockaddr type defined as (:struct sockaddr). 18:49:58 struct class names are types like anything else, it's the same as putting 'integer' or 'standard-object' 18:50:10 mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has joined #lisp 18:50:22 flame_ [~flame_@unaffiliated/flame/x-0205742] has joined #lisp 18:50:27 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:51:52 well somehow that slot does not get recognized... 18:52:12 paste.lisp.org the code and the error? 18:52:46 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@78.171.69.20] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:53:19 ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@78.171.69.20] has joined #lisp 18:54:23 here: http://paste.lisp.org/+2ZTT 18:55:22 nug700 [~nug700@209-181-102-38.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 18:55:38 oh, i misunderstood. pjb is probably right, do (:struct sockaddr) 18:56:03 well that's what I had before and it didn't work ... 18:57:08 xenophon [~user@64.124.65.162] has joined #lisp 18:57:32 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@78.171.69.20] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:59:03 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 19:00:50 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@216.113.168.135] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 19:02:24 chris_l: did you have a grovel def for the sockaddr struct as well as the ifreq struct? 19:02:29 paddymahoney [~paddymaho@24.137.221.230] has joined #lisp 19:03:01 yes 19:03:21 is it in the same package? 19:03:41 (apropos "SOCKADDR") and careful about other definitions not related to cffi. 19:03:46 -!- add^_ [~user@m5-241-189-182.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 19:03:50 -!- Zagaba [~user@modemcable075.173-203-24.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:03:56 danielszmulewicz [~danielszm@5.22.135.239] has joined #lisp 19:04:32 -!- Bike [~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:05:26 same package, yes 19:05:38 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 19:07:06 -!- klltkr [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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your pasted ifreq declaration 19:46:58 chris_l: seems to generate an ifreq struct with the right slots, though I'm having some trouble with grovelling in general, so maybe that's not saying much 19:47:05 Bike [~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu] has joined #lisp 19:47:35 hmmm 19:47:53 i'll try that myself 19:50:42 -!- sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 19:51:48 -!- tiglog [~tiglog@111.161.8.10] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:57:33 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-1-103.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 19:58:07 normanrichards [~textual@cpe-24-27-51-104.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 19:59:34 k0001 [~k0001@host212.190-137-32.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 20:01:24 nightshade427_ [nightshade@2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:fedb:a448] has joined #lisp 20:01:24 -!- nightshade427 [nightshade@2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:feae:fb24] has quit [Quit: bye] 20:02:39 -!- k0001_ [~k0001@host192.186-125-145.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:02:54 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don't understand your question. In any case, you can print with the pretty printer off. (let ((*print-pretty* nil)) (format ...)) 22:06:06 ie. don't use pprint, use print with *print-pretty* bound to nil 22:06:24 compare (let ((*print-pretty* t) (*print-right-margin* 10)) (print '(foo bar baz))) 22:06:30 with (let ((*print-pretty* t) (*print-right-margin* 10)) (print '(list foo bar baz))) 22:07:03 Both print what you want on ccl. 22:07:45 all other implementations do what you don't want. 22:08:17 ? 22:08:27 wakeup: http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/22_b.htm ;; <- muahaha 22:08:29 Try clall '(let ((*print-pretty* t) (*print-right-margin* 10)) (print (quote (foo bar baz))))' 22:12:01 didi [~user@unaffiliated/didi/x-1022147] has joined #lisp 22:13:06 -!- Fare [fare@nat/google/x-gspkawarppmdlkch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:16:00 Crash95 [~Crash95@host126-5-dynamic.7-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 22:17:45 hmm no 22:19:58 k0001_ [~k0001@host52.190-229-165.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 22:20:47 slime working for anyone on windows/sbcl? apply: Spawning child process: invalid argument [2 times] 22:20:48 22:22:22 -!- Crash95 [~Crash95@host126-5-dynamic.7-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:23:20 -!- k0001 [~k0001@host212.190-137-32.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:26:04 -!- mathrick__ [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:26:44 ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:27:52 mathrick__ [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has joined #lisp 22:28:26 eli [~eli@racket/eli] has joined #lisp 22:29:15 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-1-103.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 22:30:33 -!- alezost [~user@128-70-197-79.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 22:33:00 I got it to behave like I wanted by binding *print-miser-width* to *print-right-margin* but I can't say I understand why. 22:33:55 there we go 22:36:49 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:38:00 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 22:38:08 -!- echo-area [~user@111.196.4.210] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:38:12 -!- danielszmulewicz [~danielszm@5.22.135.239] has quit [Quit: danielszmulewicz] 22:40:04 danielszmulewicz [~danielszm@5.22.135.239] has joined #lisp 22:40:30 -!- LiamH [~healy@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:44:41 -!- ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@78.171.69.20] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:45:11 gendl [~gendl@c-98-250-10-50.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:46:00 Hi, does anyone have any speculation why allegro cl idling in a Windows virtual box guest would cause a huge number of idle wake ups in Activity Monitor on a Mac host? 22:46:24 which results in like 50% cpu usage of the VM and quick battery draining on a laptop.... 22:47:45 echo-area [~user@111.196.4.210] has joined #lisp 22:48:47 -!- Code_Man` [~Code_Man@242-124.2-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:49:04 -!- danielszmulewicz [~danielszm@5.22.135.239] has quit [Quit: danielszmulewicz] 22:51:19 ryankarason [~rak@108-245-58-182.lightspeed.clmboh.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 22:51:58 -!- mgile [~mgile@216-98-195-98.static.forethought.net] has quit [Quit: Parting is such sweet sorrow...] 22:52:06 wakeup` [~user@xdsl-78-35-50-2.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 22:54:18 Well, with virtual machines, simulating things that would cost no energy in the hardware necessarily costs more processing time in the host. 22:55:32 -!- wakeup [~user@xdsl-89-0-169-140.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:57:15 -!- axs_ [~quassel@197.200.72.24] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:57:23 yeah but this is a big jump in CPU and idle wake-ups 22:57:32 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:57:57 between running an allegro alisp.exe console (which is idling, doing nothing), and most other programs on windows (like cygwin). 22:58:10 -!- effy [~quassel@111.197.234.113] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:58:22 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 22:58:54 for example with nothing running in the foreground on windows, idle wake-ups is about 200 and CPU is about 7% 22:59:13 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:59:23 effy [~quassel@111.197.234.113] has joined #lisp 23:00:15 starting alisp.exe it jumps to 52% and 1500+ idle wake-ups 23:00:21 allegro CL on linux guest does no such thing. 23:00:33 and there is no significant CPU registered in the windows task manager in the guest 23:01:26 -!- hiroakip [~hiroaki@ip-178-202-201-114.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:02:45 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-1-103.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:02:48 davazp [~user@31.200.186.27] has joined #lisp 23:03:52 -!- CatMtKing [~CatMtKing@ucrwpa1-fs-34-11.bulk.ucr.edu] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 23:04:52 -!- kirin` [telex@gateway/shell/anapnea.net/x-pfcbihtlfldriszo] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:08:59 CatMtKing [~CatMtKing@ucrwpa1-fs-34-11.bulk.ucr.edu] has joined #lisp 23:09:40 -!- desophos [~desophos@n163h87.dhcp.oxy.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:09:59 -!- normanrichards [~textual@cpe-24-27-51-104.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [] 23:11:04 platypine [platypine@unaffiliated/doritos] has joined #lisp 23:13:46 sellout- [~Adium@75-166-112-222.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 23:17:17 Any idea how I can stop the printer from printing (function foo) as 23:17:17 #'foo ? 23:17:48 kirin` [telex@gateway/shell/anapnea.net/x-toojsuulsqtzxtqf] has joined #lisp 23:18:11 -!- ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ejohnson] 23:18:28 *print-pretty* ? 23:18:38 -!- arnas [arnas@78-63-18-208.static.zebra.lt] has quit [] 23:18:47 redefine #' as a different reader macro. 23:18:48 -!- seangrove [~user@c-69-181-197-122.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:18:58 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:19:20 wakeup`: How would you like to have it printed? 23:19:36 antoszka: (function foo) 23:19:40 -!- didi [~user@unaffiliated/didi/x-1022147] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:19:44 seangrove [~user@c-69-181-197-122.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:19:49 pjb: how would that effect the printer? 23:20:54 It should, but it doesn't. For the same reason that setting *package* to a different package will print the symbols qualified, when *print-readably* is true. 23:21:24 #' is actually implementation dependant ; abcl prints (function foo), the other #'foo. 23:21:54 you could define a pretty print on (cons (eql function)) i guess 23:22:18 Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 23:22:30 Bike: are there others to watch out for besides #' ? 23:22:47 other what? 23:23:15 Other reader macros that could be printed specially 23:23:28 backquote i guess 23:23:40 wakeup`: that's the only one. 23:23:40 How would I trigger that? 23:23:53 '`(abc ,def) 23:23:54 pjb: Ok. 23:24:06 rather: '`(abc) 23:24:21 either one, really 23:24:32 The other reader macros return lisp objects, not forms. 23:24:46 '`(abc ,def) would signal an error. 23:24:57 would when what, read? 23:24:58 Ah, no, it doesn't. 23:25:45 That's interesting. 23:26:01 it's because it's quoted, it doesn't need to look up the def binding. 23:26:14 clisp, sbcl and cmucl print `(ABC ,DEF) and the others some implementation specific form. 23:26:25 Indeed. 23:27:09 ccl prints (LIST 'ABC DEF) or so, i think 23:27:42 Bike: (LIST* 'ABC (LIST DEF)) 23:28:26 that works too 23:28:41 thats what ccl prints for me 23:29:21 Is the value of '`(foo ,bar) protably defined? 23:29:27 portably* 23:29:35 nope. 23:29:39 No, it's implementation dependant. 23:29:47 hmm 23:30:04 But you can always define your own ` reader macro, to expand to the same form on all the targets, if your program depends on it. 23:30:23 it's (quote ...something that ends up equivalent to (list 'foo bar)...) 23:30:24 normanrichards [~textual@70.114.215.220] has joined #lisp 23:30:39 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:31:20 ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@78.171.69.20] has joined #lisp 23:32:16 You can also use (com.informatimago.common-lisp.lisp-reader.reader:read-from-string "`(abc ,def ,@ghi)") 23:32:38 But there's a bug for ,@ghi :-( 23:33:16 Since 2006, nobody reported it! 23:33:26 Sgeo [~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 23:40:41 xk05 [~xk05@c-98-244-43-125.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:48:12 pjb: you should shorten your package names <-: 23:52:05 -!- malbertife [~malbertif@host33-59-dynamic.21-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:52:46 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:55:44 -!- CatMtKing [~CatMtKing@ucrwpa1-fs-34-11.bulk.ucr.edu] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 23:56:40 -!- stepnem [~stepnem@internet2.cznet.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:57:00 -!- gendl [~gendl@c-98-250-10-50.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: gendl] 23:57:51 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:58:55 -!- nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Quit: Leaving]