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In make-pathname like that? 00:18:08 Whoops - sorry for a second there the parentheses "just disappeared" . 00:19:09 stassats: I see what you mean. 00:20:53 but it looks like a bug on the part of ECL 00:20:55 Nonetheless in ECL it doesn't matter how many :back's I stuff in there - only one directory entry is removed: (merge-pathnames (make-pathname :directory '(:relative :back :back :back :back :back :back)) "/a/b/c/d/") --> "/a/b/c/" 00:21:33 report it 00:24:03 -!- hwiersma [~hwiersma@S0106602ad08e475a.ok.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:31:12 -!- arnsa [arnas@78-63-18-208.static.zebra.lt] has quit [] 00:31:34 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:32:37 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:34:18 I expect that pathnames are underexercised in general. 00:35:52 hwiersma [~hwiersma@205.250.11.18] has joined #lisp 00:36:04 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 00:36:08 Yang_ [~Yang@60.191.2.238] has joined #lisp 00:37:06 I translated the ECL C-code into C++ and haplessly translated the bug as well. 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Now to install sbcl! 01:21:26 i've got bad news 01:21:52 sbcl does not support ARM 01:21:54 welp 01:21:58 -!- hwiersma [~hwiersma@205.250.11.18] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:23:10 it looks like sbcl-doc is worth including in the raspbian repos though :/ 01:23:42 it's highly portable 01:27:10 -!- envia [~envia@70-138-245-82.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:27:28 envia [~envia@70-138-245-82.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 01:27:55 hah, clisp segfaults when I try to load quicklisp 01:28:01 I'm much less excited about this than I was 01:28:07 typical clisp 01:28:11 try clozure cl 01:29:03 -!- travisr [~travisrod@17.223.151.202] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:29:27 -!- Juanito-Jons [~jreynoso@201.164.190.107] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:30:06 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@216.113.168.141] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:35:46 -!- [1]JPeterson [~JPeterson@81-233-152-121-no83.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:36:26 -!- tesuji_ [~tesuji@x2f66410.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 01:36:31 JPeterson [~JPeterson@81-233-152-121-no83.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #lisp 01:36:50 -!- JPeterson [~JPeterson@81-233-152-121-no83.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 01:38:24 JPeterson [~JPeterson@81-233-152-121-no83.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #lisp 01:39:32 -!- JPeterson [~JPeterson@81-233-152-121-no83.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 01:40:27 JPeterson [~JPeterson@81-233-152-121-no83.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #lisp 01:40:54 -!- skeuomorf [~skeuomorf@197.32.237.14] has left #lisp 01:43:23 stassats: there we go, hurray lisp! 01:43:40 thank you clozure 01:47:17 -!- envia [~envia@70-138-245-82.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:47:36 envia [~envia@70-138-245-82.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 01:51:08 nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 01:53:08 fisxoj [~fisxoj@192-0-131-151.cpe.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 02:01:26 zacharias_ [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 02:02:03 aw|incendiary_ [~zacharias@unaffiliated/aw] has joined #lisp 02:03:51 -!- aw|incendiary [~zacharias@unaffiliated/aw] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:04:10 -!- zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:05:25 -!- zacharias_ is now known as zacharias 02:07:33 -!- envia [~envia@70-138-245-82.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:07:55 envia [~envia@70-138-245-82.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 02:07:55 antgreen [~green@dsl-173-206-30-218.tor.primus.ca] has joined #lisp 02:16:40 -!- mindCrime [~prhodes@ip-64-134-184-5.public.wayport.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:24:57 hwiersma [~hwiersma@205.250.11.18] has joined #lisp 02:25:08 -!- nalkri [~user@unaffiliated/elench] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:25:47 motionman [~motionman@unaffiliated/motionman] has joined #lisp 02:26:44 -!- envia [~envia@70-138-245-82.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:28:06 stassats: I fixed the ECL pathname bug and sent it to Juan. 02:28:23 drmeister: good, have a cookie 02:28:39 *drmeister* takes the cookie and devours it messily. 02:28:50 rootlocus [~rootlocus@124.169.153.157] has joined #lisp 02:32:11 envia [~envia@70-138-245-82.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 02:33:13 -!- antonv_ [5d7d2a42@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.125.42.66] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:33:47 Natch [~Natch@c-cdcee155.25-4-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 02:40:27 -!- jlongster [~user@pool-173-53-114-190.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:41:41 -!- [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:42:04 desophos [~desophos@n138h11.dhcp.oxy.edu] has joined #lisp 02:42:16 -!- chameco [~samuel@cpe-74-69-188-107.stny.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:44:34 [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has joined #lisp 02:46:54 -!- envia [~envia@70-138-245-82.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:47:14 envia [~envia@70-138-245-82.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 02:57:46 -!- bgs100 [~nitrogen@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit [Quit: bgs100] 03:04:05 woo, connected to a swank server on raspberry pi from emacs on my desktop 03:04:20 this is proper 03:04:42 now you can run code so slow it feels like 1999 03:05:14 already there man, already there 03:07:03 -!- envia [~envia@70-138-245-82.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:08:57 stassats: that's why you run code on it that was written in 1999 ... 03:11:15 -!- bananagram [~bot@c-76-30-158-226.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:12:28 envia [~envia@70-138-245-82.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 03:14:50 mindCrime [~prhodes@cpe-076-182-089-009.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 03:15:08 how would you use defcfun with an explicit lisp-name? I can't seem to parse the documentation 03:15:12 and there are no examples 03:15:24 oop nvm yes there is 03:15:38 patbarron [~pat@lectroid.com] has joined #lisp 03:18:22 yea wow, this is really really slow 03:26:12 -!- hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 03:26:38 sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 03:26:58 Denommus [~user@unaffiliated/denommus] has joined #lisp 03:27:05 hi 03:27:06 -!- yacks [~py@103.6.159.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:27:12 -!- envia [~envia@70-138-245-82.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:27:31 envia [~envia@70-138-245-82.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 03:37:22 -!- desophos [~desophos@n138h11.dhcp.oxy.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:38:18 -!- patbarron [~pat@lectroid.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:38:23 chu [~user@unaffiliated/chu] has joined #lisp 03:40:40 isaacbw, what is slow? 03:40:48 lisp on the raspbi 03:40:52 raspi 03:41:38 oh i thought you meant defcfun was 03:42:01 no, it seems pretty snappy 03:42:12 I can't imagine there's a whole lot for it to do 03:42:56 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:42:56 pranavrc [~pranavrc@unaffiliated/pranavrc] has joined #lisp 03:43:22 -!- nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:43:53 blackwol` [~blackwolf@ool-4574ed7b.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 03:44:15 -!- blackwolf [~blackwolf@ool-4574ed7b.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:45:09 -!- Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:45:53 isaacbw: which implementation? 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systems that define new asdf component types need to be loaded before systems that depend on them, in a *separate operation* (ie if they get loaded because of a declared dependency, that doesn't seem to be sufficient...). am I doing it wrong? 13:42:00 ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:43:21 -!- ikki [~ikki@187.208.130.17] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:44:21 -!- Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:44:22 Praise- [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has joined #lisp 13:46:16 -!- Praise- is now known as Praise 13:50:12 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:51:31 macdice: there is a :defsystem-depends-on option but of course that doesn't always work due to being stuck in the same form as the rest. 13:53:15 pnpuff [~dioxin@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 13:54:38 -!- pnpuff [~dioxin@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has left #lisp 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Something like (mapcar #'setf '(a b c) '(1 2 3)) 14:41:48 setq, if the lists are static. 14:42:21 Xach: thanks! that worked for my case 14:42:39 didi [~user@unaffiliated/didi/x-1022147] has joined #lisp 14:42:53 And set if they aren't, I guess 14:42:55 -!- REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:43:37 msmith: not for lexcally bound variables. 14:46:04 -!- diadara__ [~diadara@115.249.18.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:46:06 msmith: why not just using LET? 14:47:38 -!- ssqq [~songzhiqu@221.4.142.42] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:47:43 Denommus: I was really looking for something like multiple-value-bind, didn't remember it before I posted the question 14:48:37 msmith: isn't multiple-value-bind used for functions that return more than one value? 14:48:43 Denommus: mainly because I won't know the values or how many values will need to be bound 14:49:09 sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 14:49:41 How does multiple-value-bind (or destructuring-bind, if you meant that) help with that? 14:49:47 destructuring-bind is similar but for [nested] lists rather than multiple values 14:50:36 diadara__ [~diadara@115.249.18.25] has joined #lisp 14:50:47 msmith: if you don't know that, you probably shouldn't be using VALUES, you should be using a list or something similar 14:51:04 VALUES is more fit for two or three values being returned. More than that and it gets... bloated 14:51:38 if you don't know how many values will be bound (to lexical values), then how can you write code that will use them (unless you capture &rest after some known prefix, in which case it's still just a list)? 14:52:28 Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 14:53:01 thomas_yzj [~user@175.0.175.4] has joined #lisp 14:54:29 lyanchih [~lyanchih@114-34-99-241.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 14:55:23 -!- Nisstyre-laptop is now known as nisstyre 14:56:08 macdice: well the idea is simply to iterate over the list and bind the values of list one to list two. using set with mapcar will work for my purposes I think 14:56:52 msmith: but why? 14:57:07 msmith: how can you refer to them later? are you using eval? 14:57:35 Sounds almost like progv 14:57:53 progv springs to mind 14:58:08 but not useful unless something like eval is involved 15:01:06 i probably don't have the right CL terminology here, but when i think of 'bindings' i think of lexical variables. do you mean you want to set the symbol values (ie global variables)? so, (mapcar #'set name-list value-list) 15:02:11 (oh, sorry that was already given) 15:04:37 Xach: as to why, I have an array upon which I need perform an unknown amount of vector-pops. the elements popped off of the array are used as variables inside of a function. 15:05:12 -!- keltvek [~keltvek@unaffiliated/keltvek] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:05:12 arnas [arnas@78-63-18-208.static.zebra.lt] has joined #lisp 15:05:14 toutouastro [c501400b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.197.1.64.11] has joined #lisp 15:05:14 macdice: yes, that will probably suffice for what I'm doing 15:05:25 hey guys 15:05:30 -!- arnsa [arnas@78-63-18-208.static.zebra.lt] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:05:34 -!- lyanchih [~lyanchih@114-34-99-241.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: lyanchih] 15:05:49 I dont know any channel on general programming 15:05:59 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-157-3.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:06:08 toutouastro: ##programming 15:06:13 so my question is 15:06:30 how do u evaluate a parsed expression 15:06:31 M 15:06:54 toutouastro: uh... with eval 15:07:16 ok thx 15:07:29 -!- toutouastro [c501400b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.197.1.64.11] has quit [Client Quit] 15:07:58 -!- ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 15:08:10 ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:09:45 -!- maxter [~maxter@gaffeless.chaperon.volia.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 15:10:01 maxter [~maxter@gaffeless.chaperon.volia.net] has joined #lisp 15:10:16 _tca [~user@h151.25.91.207.static.ip.windstream.net] has joined #lisp 15:11:08 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 15:11:23 a bunch of global variables as the "interface" (input parameters) to a function... ugh 15:11:47 why not pass it the vector and tell it the range to operate on or something? 15:12:51 If they are used as variables, how could the number be unknown? O_o 15:13:24 -!- Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:14:55 ltbarcly [~textual@pool-71-116-73-196.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 15:14:55 lyanchih [~lyanchih@114-34-99-241.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 15:15:04 Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has joined #lisp 15:15:17 -!- diadara__ [~diadara@115.249.18.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:16:38 clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has joined #lisp 15:19:31 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@pool-71-116-73-196.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:20:43 (maplist (lambda (dst-list src-list) (setf (car dst-list) (car src-list))) (list 1 2 3) (list 4 5 6)) --> (4 5 6) <16:54:37> macdice: well the idea is simply to iterate over the list and bind the values of list one to list two. using set with mapcar will work for my purposes I think 15:21:04 -!- CrazyEddy [~truckler@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:21:18 The list returned is the one created by (list 1 2 3). 15:22:29 -!- clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:23:13 Otherwise, there's always the good old progv, but still doesn't help with lexical variables. 15:24:06 kmox83 [~kmox83@host1-135-dynamic.20-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 15:25:20 ltbarcly [~textual@pool-71-116-73-196.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 15:25:31 -!- victor_lowther [~victor.lo@2602:306:36c6:d400:9911:5358:8956:9b0f] has quit [Ping timeout: 266 seconds] 15:25:47 CrazyEddy [~thoracico@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has joined #lisp 15:25:51 how can I convert a list of strings to a list of char in Haskell? 15:26:06 each string is only one character long 15:27:09 (mapcar (lambda (l) (mapcar 'character l)) string) 15:27:12 +s 15:27:22 map head 15:27:24 Or something like that 15:28:12 Ok, I'm no good today. I read a list of list of strings. 15:28:31 just (mapcar 'character strings) 15:29:56 kiridmit_ [~kiridmit@94.180.42.174] has joined #lisp 15:30:01 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@pool-71-116-73-196.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:30:23 -!- kiridmit [~kiridmit@94.180.42.174] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:30:27 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 15:30:42 -!- kiridmit_ is now known as kiridmit 15:30:42 boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 15:31:01 oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-157-3.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 15:31:50 given that strings are already lists of chars in haskell, if we are answering in lisp it's (mapcar #'car string-list) if you know they are of size 1, or (concatenate 'list string-list) 15:31:59 pjb: sorry, wrong channel 15:32:20 -!- kiridmit [~kiridmit@94.180.42.174] has quit [Client Quit] 15:33:01 On the other hand, perhaps there's a (ql:quickload :haskell) (in-package :haskell) (enable-haskell-readtable) ; fun ensue. 15:33:26 15:33:35 15:37:44 -!- benkard [~benkard@2001:4ca0:0:f240:c027:2990:1020:df81] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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How will you refer to them in the code of the function? 15:54:41 -!- Sagane [~Sagane@177.100-226-89.dsl.completel.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:55:01 CampinSam [~CampinSam@24-176-103-21.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has joined #lisp 15:56:09 pjb ggole: multiple-value-bind ended up being what I was looking for 15:56:25 macdice: they are global variables 15:56:33 aren't 15:56:45 they're not 15:56:51 :-) 15:57:58 paul0_ [~paul0@187.112.251.165] has joined #lisp 16:00:21 diadara__ [~diadara@115.249.18.25] has joined #lisp 16:00:27 -!- paul0 [~paul0@177.16.111.24] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:00:38 -!- ykm [~ykm@38.snat-111-91-51.hns.net.in] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:02:08 Xach: I think somewhere in the convo someone inferred that I was talking about global variables which I am not 16:03:56 Xach: I have a function that pops the values from the array and returns a list, which will be passed to multiple-values-bind and I will execute what ever else I need to do from there 16:04:07 msmith: i hope you know that you can't specify which variables to bind at runtime 16:04:42 multiple-values-bind doesn't really deal with lists, but with multiple values 16:05:36 it would be better if you pasted the code and told what you're trying to do 16:06:51 -!- diadara__ [~diadara@115.249.18.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:09:45 stassats: I just realized what you meant by the values vs lists comment. yeah that will not work. I may just run with the mapcar #'set solution. I'll paste code if I have further questions. thanks 16:10:05 mapcar set won't work with lexical variables 16:10:18 really, show us the problem, not the solution you came up with 16:11:52 msmith: how will you refer to the variables if you don't know them in advance? 16:12:05 set operates on global variables (and it doesn't sound right anyway). 16:12:47 benkard [~benkard@2001:4ca0:0:f240:8db7:291e:1c1f:59ca] has joined #lisp 16:13:25 mc40 [~mc40@146.255.107.98] has joined #lisp 16:14:56 BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.238] has joined #lisp 16:15:46 diadara__ [~diadara@115.249.18.25] has joined #lisp 16:16:17 -!- msmith [~msmit297@23.31.147.162] has left #lisp 16:16:26 -!- thomas_yzj [~user@175.0.175.4] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 16:16:35 -!- lyanchih [~lyanchih@114-34-99-241.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: lyanchih] 16:18:45 -!- ehu [ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:19:35 -!- axion [~axion@20.sub-70-197-193.myvzw.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:19:51 -!- Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:21:22 Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has joined #lisp 16:24:44 sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 16:25:42 przl [~przlrkt@p5B298328.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 16:30:28 Hello, CFFI question: having typedef struct {...} Foo; and Foo* make_foo(...) {...}, how one would define make_foo via defcfun? 16:32:55 -!- munge [~user@cpe-075-178-033-080.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:33:23 (:pointer (:struct SmokeData)), probably 16:33:38 err 16:33:41 Foo 16:34:36 but i think cffi is quite lame and doesn't care, so you can just use :pointer 16:35:17 stassats: Thanks. 16:36:13 resttime [~rest@par0360.urh.uiuc.edu] has joined #lisp 16:37:41 boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 16:38:45 -!- benkard [~benkard@2001:4ca0:0:f240:8db7:291e:1c1f:59ca] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz] 16:39:08 -!- kmox83 [~kmox83@host1-135-dynamic.20-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: kmox83] 16:39:28 -!- boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:40:01 axion [~axion@20.sub-70-197-193.myvzw.com] has joined #lisp 16:40:15 oaulakh [~oaulakh@49.14.110.154] has joined #lisp 16:42:08 i'm new to lisp 16:42:55 ok 16:42:57 which ide for lisp i use in linux and where the best tutorials for lisp 16:43:14 Emacs is the general standard 16:43:19 oaulakh, there is a free book Practical Common Lisp 16:43:45 Aramur [~arare@9.Red-83-42-45.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 16:43:54 Emacs + SLIME + Paredit should be pretty good 16:44:22 maybe add in Highlight Parenthesis 16:44:25 -!- sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 16:45:53 arare [~Aramur@251.54.27.77.dynamic.mundo-r.com] has joined #lisp 16:47:55 ide in linux 16:48:22 kmox83 [~kmox83@host1-135-dynamic.20-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 16:49:51 oaulakh: most of us use emacs. if you're looking for something like "eclipse for lisp", you'll need to use a commercial lisp. both lispworks and allegro have ides 16:50:03 -!- arnsa [arnas@78-63-18-208.static.zebra.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:50:53 -!- _d3f [~gnu@nl1.ovpn.to] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 16:51:00 is lisp faster then c/c++ 16:51:06 oaulakh: no 16:51:12 okk 16:51:30 than what advantage lisp has 16:51:41 oaulakh: It's not C/C++. 16:51:50 oaulakh: maybe you want to do some research using google first? 16:51:51 _d3f [~gnu@nl1.ovpn.to] has joined #lisp 16:51:51 it's not much slower than c++ and is much easier to use 16:52:14 t dat 16:52:38 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 16:52:55 so can we do numerical analysis in lisp 16:53:34 oaulakh: no. it is impossible. 16:53:49 lol 16:53:59 yes, we can. (google turing completeness) 16:54:14 then i dont think i should learn lisp 16:54:23 Denommus` [~user@201-9-106-149.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #lisp 16:54:28 maybe you shouldn't indeed 16:54:31 *shrug* 16:54:46 thanks for suggestion 16:56:19 -!- Denommus [~user@unaffiliated/denommus] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:57:14 -!- oaulakh [~oaulakh@49.14.110.154] has left #lisp 16:58:19 Lefeni [~Lefeni@c-0941e555.143-16-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 16:59:02 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:00:06 chameco [~samuel@cpe-74-69-188-107.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 17:00:16 -!- Denommus` is now known as Denommus 17:00:34 There's a new web site for CL newbies, what's its url already? 17:00:41 -!- Denommus [~user@201-9-106-149.user.veloxzone.com.br] has quit [Changing host] 17:00:41 Denommus [~user@unaffiliated/denommus] has joined #lisp 17:02:06 -!- didi [~user@unaffiliated/didi/x-1022147] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:03:36 (for what it's worth, you don't do numerical analysis really in any language ;) 17:04:58 Sagane [~Sagane@177.100-226-89.dsl.completel.net] has joined #lisp 17:08:04 hiroakip [~hiroaki@ip-178-202-214-140.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #lisp 17:08:11 pjb: http://articulate-lisp.com/ ? 17:09:57 boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 17:11:19 -!- _d3f [~gnu@nl1.ovpn.to] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 17:11:29 -!- mc40 [~mc40@146.255.107.98] has quit [Quit: mc40] 17:12:27 keltvek [~keltvek@unaffiliated/keltvek] has joined #lisp 17:12:45 -!- jaimef [jaimef@dns.mauthesis.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 17:12:54 jaimef [jaimef@dns.mauthesis.com] has joined #lisp 17:14:30 -!- hiroakip [~hiroaki@ip-178-202-214-140.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:14:35 -!- boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:15:09 Right. 17:16:17 It needs work, as I'm sure the author knows. 17:16:21 for example, http://articulate-lisp.com/examples:trotter-walkthrough.html 17:22:14 mc40 [~mc40@146.255.107.98] has joined #lisp 17:22:41 At least, he caters to the css needs of nowadays newbies. 17:22:47 I still prefer text. 17:23:29 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p5B298328.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:23:45 przl [~przlrkt@p5B298328.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 17:25:26 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:25:40 -!- Sagane [~Sagane@177.100-226-89.dsl.completel.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:25:51 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 17:27:57 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@2.230.138.74] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 17:28:09 -!- chu [~user@unaffiliated/chu] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:29:35 -!- ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ejohnson] 17:31:07 -!- Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: brb switching] 17:33:15 -!- LiamH [~none@pool-173-73-124-231.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:35:56 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-157-3.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:36:42 -!- neoncortex [~Aerolitus@unaffiliated/xispirito] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:36:57 -!- ft [efftee@oldshell.chaostreff-dortmund.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:38:36 -!- seangrov` [~user@78-1-105-145.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:38:46 -!- Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 17:38:56 Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has joined #lisp 17:39:05 seangrov` [~user@78-1-105-145.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 17:39:12 Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has joined #lisp 17:42:02 oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-157-3.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 17:42:31 sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 17:43:21 -!- diadara__ [~diadara@115.249.18.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:44:02 lyanchih [~lyanchih@114-34-99-241.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 17:46:51 -!- hwiersma [~hwiersma@205.250.11.18] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:47:42 is there any way i can define my own type which is represented in memory by a fixnum and passed around as immediate values (no allocation/GC), but which has distinct operations (basically I want to make a new number type + arithmetic)? 17:47:53 i believe the answer is no 17:48:42 macdice: why don't you create new functions for fixnum with this arithmetic you want? 17:48:50 instead i can just pass around fixnums (ie number i know that my implementation will represent with fixnums, including vectors of them for example), and use a distinct set of operations (foox-add x y) 17:48:56 right 17:48:56 (deftype my-type () 'fixnum) 17:49:26 For the operations, you could just define them in a different package. 17:49:31 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:49:44 (my:+ 42 33) --> 66 17:50:49 -!- Aramur [~arare@9.Red-83-42-45.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Aramur] 17:50:51 -!- arare [~Aramur@251.54.27.77.dynamic.mundo-r.com] has quit [Quit: arare] 17:51:44 macdice, sounds like you want speed, so this might not be right for you, but here it is anyway: https://bitbucket.org/tarballs_are_good/cl-generic-arithmetic 17:51:50 neoncortex [~Aerolitus@unaffiliated/xispirito] has joined #lisp 17:52:09 -!- mihirrege [~mihirrege@gateway/tor-sasl/geremih] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:53:30 diadara__ [~diadara@115.249.18.25] has joined #lisp 17:53:30 Quadrescence: thanks, that is interesting to me for other reasons. but yeah in this case i'm looking for a way to do decimal arithmetic, including efficiently packed vectors/matrices 17:53:57 i like the behaviour of ratios, but i love the performance of integers :-) 17:54:40 why do you think decimals will give you the same behavior as rationals? 17:54:51 i don't, in general 17:55:12 macdice: https://wukix.com/lisp-decimals 17:55:53 macdice: meh, the best base is base 12 17:56:20 but i have data sets which are decimal. take 0.1 for example... i can represent that as 1/10, or as 1 (with an implied scale of 10^-1). or i can use binary floating point and approximate (well the CL spec doesn't say how reals work but on my computers/lisp they are C float and double) 17:56:31 Bike: thanks! yeah i use that. it's great 17:56:36 but it's about using ratios 17:56:50 awygle1 [~Andrew@50.46.151.244] has joined #lisp 17:57:00 mihirrege [~mihirrege@gateway/tor-sasl/geremih] has joined #lisp 17:57:08 which are suitably awesome, but insufficiently fixed in size and lack (AFAIK!) immediate pass by value treatment in my lisp 17:57:19 and lack special treatment in vectors 17:57:28 for efficient non-pointer-chasing storage 17:57:49 so what representation are you going to use? (and sorry for showing you something you already know) 17:57:53 -!- sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 17:58:52 so my idea is to use scaled integers, possibly with some bits reserved for the scale, or possibly IEEE 754-2008 17:59:26 Aramur [~arare@9.Red-83-42-45.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 17:59:32 hwiersma [~hwiersma@205.250.11.18] has joined #lisp 17:59:59 (in a parallel universe involving other languages i have used 754-2008 floating point *decimal*, that is floating point, fixed sized, but base 10 rather than 2, extensively) 18:02:15 macdice: the amount of immediate types is limited by the number of available tags, which is limited by the number of bits available in the word 18:02:57 -!- pranavrc [~pranavrc@unaffiliated/pranavrc] has quit [Quit: Ping timeout: ] 18:03:09 having a larger amount of such types means less bits to actually represent data, which means lower maximum fixnum length, higher alignment for pointers 18:03:50 so, even if there were a technique to define your own, there's usually no free tags available, or a very low amount 18:03:56 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p5B298328.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:05:15 -!- hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@46.233.207.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:05:38 i see 18:06:24 But I thought macdice was suggesting embedding the representation in a fixnum, so you don't need more tags, you just need new functions. 18:06:32 the package of operations, my:+ etc, suggested by pjb, seems like a decent approach 18:06:47 you just have to avoid accidentally treating the values as regular numbers 18:07:53 that said, using clos object to represent numbers is not so bad. 18:07:58 -!- d4gg4d_ [uid7020@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dnrlvakcmzjagjel] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:08:23 and with the right print-object and reader macros 18:08:41 yeah, i'm just interested in working with big vectors, and don't want them to be implemented with pointers to clos objects 18:08:52 -!- robsmoniker [uid6984@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mjvcrmvngxqnenrg] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:09:02 Hm, getting # here http://vpaste.net/CYiw9 when print got executed. For some reason (foreign-slot-value (make-foo 2 "aaaa") '(:struct foo) 'id) works just fine. 18:09:25 Not sure whats wrong there. 18:10:17 -!- mihirrege [~mihirrege@gateway/tor-sasl/geremih] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:10:34 boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 18:10:45 Okasu: no null termination? 18:11:38 mihirrege [~mihirrege@gateway/tor-sasl/geremih] has joined #lisp 18:12:52 stassats: Not sure, i thought values of :string type got null termination for free? 18:13:00 -!- lyanchih [~lyanchih@114-34-99-241.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: lyanchih] 18:13:28 yours is limited to 10, so if the string is longer, you'll omit the null 18:14:06 -!- kmox83 [~kmox83@host1-135-dynamic.20-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: kmox83] 18:14:36 -!- neoncortex [~Aerolitus@unaffiliated/xispirito] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:15:42 -!- boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:16:13 -!- ASau` is now known as ASau 18:16:35 -!- axion [~axion@20.sub-70-197-193.myvzw.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:18:15 przl [~przlrkt@p5B298DE3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 18:18:49 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 241 seconds] 18:19:11 stassats: But i'm passing "aaaa" there so its shorter than 10. 18:23:50 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 18:25:36 puchacz [~puchacz@46-65-36-47.zone16.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 18:26:09 hi, is there a version of destructuring bind that would bind everything to nil, if nil is given in lambda-list? 18:26:13 for example: 18:26:21 (destructuring-bind (a b) '(c d) (print a) (print b)) 18:26:22 works ok 18:26:32 (destructuring-bind (a b) nil (print a) (print b)) 18:26:34 error 18:26:41 and I would like a and b to be nil 18:26:43 (destructuring-bind (&optional a b) nil) 18:26:52 stassats, thanks 18:27:08 I forgot it is just regular lambda list 18:27:18 so everything goes that can go in function header 18:27:56 it's not a regular, but a destructuring one 18:27:57 <_tca> you can more destructuing with it than a regular lambda list 18:28:11 ok 18:28:21 <_tca> like: ((a b) c) '((1 2) 3) 18:28:58 Okasu: looks like something is wrong with slot alignment 18:29:20 <_tca> and you can use dotted pair notation: (a . b) '(1 2 3) 18:29:56 ok, so it can match any nested listform 18:30:04 I will check clhs 18:30:06 cheers 18:30:50 -!- hwiersma [~hwiersma@205.250.11.18] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:30:56 Okasu: (cffi:foreign-string-to-lisp (MAKE-FOO 2 "aaaa") :offset 4) => "aaaa" 18:31:20 but foreign-slot-value tries has 8, not 4 18:31:47 olvar [~olvar@50708181.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has joined #lisp 18:32:31 hi 18:32:56 is it possible to open a swank (slime) server using a unix socket instead of a tcp port? 18:33:16 Okasu: :string is probably treated like a pointer to a string, not a string inside the struct 18:33:24 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:33:25 olvar: what for? 18:33:42 i'd like to connect to a remote server, but I am not allowed to open ports in the server 18:33:57 also, isn't it kind of a security risk? 18:34:16 how would unix socket solve that? 18:34:30 i can ssh to the server 18:34:54 can you create a ssh tunnel? 18:35:00 yep 18:35:07 there you go 18:35:14 ? 18:35:31 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 18:35:57 neoncortex [~Aerolitus@unaffiliated/xispirito] has joined #lisp 18:36:09 stassats: i am sorry, i don't follow, what is your suggestions? 18:36:40 my suggestion was creating an ssh tunnel, i believe 18:36:52 ok, but how does it help? 18:36:56 stassats: Thanks a lot, is there a way to tell cffi that is is not pointer to a string but string inside struct? 18:39:41 i see similar code of mine just does (foreign-string-to-lisp (foreign-slot-pointer (make-foo 2 "aaaa") '(:struct foo) 'title)), while using :char instead of :string 18:39:48 i don't know of a better way 18:40:47 sohail_ [~sohail@69-165-134-188.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 18:41:47 -!- Bike [~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:42:03 Well, okay, better than offseting anyway. 18:42:04 hwiersma [~hwiersma@205.250.11.18] has joined #lisp 18:42:11 sin293 [~Administr@171.121.19.73] has joined #lisp 18:42:49 -!- mikaelj [~tic@c83-248-1-14.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:43:36 fe[nl]ix: is there? 18:43:40 mikaelj [~tic@c83-248-1-14.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 18:43:46 drmeiste_ [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 18:44:53 -!- mindCrime [~prhodes@cpe-076-182-089-009.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:45:00 -!- drmeiste_ [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:45:07 is slime still the best for emacs repl to sbcl? 18:45:15 jaimef: yes 18:46:04 sin293` [~user@171.121.19.73] has joined #lisp 18:47:26 -!- sin293 [~Administr@171.121.19.73] has quit [Quit: ] 18:48:07 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 18:49:35 BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.238] has joined #lisp 18:49:41 -!- nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:51:02 pavelpenev [~quassel@130-204-14-33.2075264485.ddns.cablebg.net] has joined #lisp 18:53:25 swank-loader.lisp is being hunted for in the slime dir. 18:53:40 ikki [~ikki@201.164.190.107] has joined #lisp 18:53:49 -!- mihirrege [~mihirrege@gateway/tor-sasl/geremih] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:55:41 Somelauw [~Somelauw@unaffiliated/somelauw] has joined #lisp 18:55:52 jaimef: by whom? 18:56:30 -!- sin293` [~user@171.121.19.73] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:56:49 I would say more 18:57:01 I would say that slime is the best emacs repl. Period. 18:58:18 rlwrap 18:58:23 :-P 19:02:05 -!- neoncortex [~Aerolitus@unaffiliated/xispirito] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:02:47 -!- hwiersma [~hwiersma@205.250.11.18] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:04:14 zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 19:04:17 kmox83 [~kmox83@host1-135-dynamic.20-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 19:04:19 Is there an unicode compiler that accepts something like (if (  ) a b) 19:04:48 for lisp? 19:05:31 -!- fantazo [~fantazo@213.129.230.10] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:05:44 (message "Polling %S.. (Abort with `M-x slime-abort-connection'.)" file);; wtf 19:05:58 Somelauw: SBCL -> (let (( 10)) ) ; evals to 10 19:06:10 jaimef: what are you doing? 19:06:19 commenting out a very stupid piece of elisp in slime 19:06:24 Somelauw: https://github.com/stassats/closer-apl/blob/master/examples.lisp 19:06:29 jaimef: are you sure? 19:06:31 that has the message tray going off like a strobe light 19:06:43 Somelauw: ECL, too. I guess most implementations do that 19:06:53 is stassats a bot? 19:06:59 normanrichards [~normanric@rrcs-50-84-90-98.sw.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 19:07:18 ft [efftee@oldshell.chaostreff-dortmund.de] has joined #lisp 19:08:08 ja 19:08:14 didi [~user@unaffiliated/didi/x-1022147] has joined #lisp 19:08:18 def. 19:08:23 lol 19:08:26 :) 19:08:31 LiamH [~none@pool-173-73-124-231.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 19:09:03 jaimef: none of your messages just make any sense 19:09:06 sounds like M-x doctor 19:09:17 statssats I was commenting on a very annoying piece of slime elisp code. 19:09:27 that perpetually bombards the minibuffer with that message 19:09:35 But one that implicitly aliases <= as  as well. 19:09:59 tell me how annoying it is when there's an error when loading swank 19:10:28 yes still debugging that 19:10:40 it doesn't perpetually bombard anything, it just shows this while trying to connect 19:10:47 installed slime, but it's trying to find swank. which is not available in elpa/melpa/marmalade 19:11:05 swank is a part of slime 19:11:09 boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 19:11:47 .emacs.d/elpa/slime-20100404.1/swank-loader.lisp is what it's trying to load, and does not exist in the slime distribution. 19:11:59 then this elpa thing is broken 19:12:06 fisxoj [~fisxoj@192.0.131.151] has joined #lisp 19:12:12 or you're using it wrong 19:12:12 k 19:12:20 M-x slime :P 19:12:31 jaimef: use quicklisp-slime-helper 19:12:42 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:13:00 k 19:14:01 I guess thinatra wins over restas... much less hassle 19:14:15 lyanchih [~lyanchih@114-34-99-241.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 19:14:36 if you use broken tools, everything is a hassle 19:15:04 ^^ 19:15:50 -!- boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:16:03 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 19:17:25 -!- ikki [~ikki@201.164.190.107] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:18:02 ikki [~ikki@201.164.190.107] has joined #lisp 19:19:15 -!- jewel [~jewel@105-236-99-207.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:19:57 klltkr [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has joined #lisp 19:20:26 hwiersma [~hwiersma@205.250.11.18] has joined #lisp 19:21:05 boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 19:21:31 -!- zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:22:21 -!- boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:22:46 -!- bananagram [~bot@c-76-30-158-226.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:23:11 -!- kmox83 [~kmox83@host1-135-dynamic.20-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: kmox83] 19:25:36 -!- dtw [~dtw@pdpc/supporter/active/dtw] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 19:25:37 clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has joined #lisp 19:30:15 -!- clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:31:21 kmox83 [~kmox83@host1-135-dynamic.20-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 19:31:21 -!- kmox83 [~kmox83@host1-135-dynamic.20-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Client Quit] 19:32:37 mihirrege [~mihirrege@gateway/tor-sasl/geremih] has joined #lisp 19:34:20 weie_ [~eie@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net] has joined #lisp 19:35:54 -!- superjudge [~superjudg@c83-250-14-77.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: superjudge] 19:35:56 -!- weie [~eie@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:37:26 igotnole_ [~igotnoleg@71-219-15-241.slkc.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 19:39:18 -!- igotnolegs- [~igotnoleg@65-130-98-53.slkc.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:39:57 igotnolegs- [~igotnoleg@71-219-132-177.slkc.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 19:41:48 -!- igotnole_ [~igotnoleg@71-219-15-241.slkc.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:45:51 -!- fisxoj [~fisxoj@192.0.131.151] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:47:32 ltbarcly [~textual@pool-71-116-73-196.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 19:47:38 -!- prxq_ [~mommer@x2f68c24.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:47:45 -!- lyanchih [~lyanchih@114-34-99-241.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: lyanchih] 19:48:21 -!- igotnolegs- [~igotnoleg@71-219-132-177.slkc.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:49:56 also, slime from 2010? 19:50:02 -!- Aramur [~arare@9.Red-83-42-45.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Aramur] 19:51:19 ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:51:44 p_l: elpa apparently does so for compatibility with clojure 19:52:04 this elpa thing is truly broken 19:52:05 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@pool-71-116-73-196.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:53:24 stassats: author of the clojure backend said something about sticking with "released version" 19:53:27 meaning ancient 19:53:36 ypyf` [~user@59.38.142.119] has joined #lisp 19:54:11 and forking wasn't an option? 19:54:19 p_l: I thought clojure people used nrepl. 19:54:32 didi: at least last november it was still pretty new thing 19:55:11 also, first time I tried to have Leiningen, nrepl and debug functionality, I ended with 3 JVMs that shared no memory and each took 0.5G 19:55:16 neoncortex [~Aerolitus@unaffiliated/xispirito] has joined #lisp 19:55:55 how do you know they didn't share memory? 19:56:28 stassats: because they didn't load-then-fork, and loaded all the jars separately, and didn't use KSM? 19:56:53 what do i even care about java? 19:57:10 ehaliewicz [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 19:57:20 -!- Lefeni [~Lefeni@c-0941e555.143-16-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:57:30 stassats: you asked me how do I know they didn't share memory. 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got this parenscript macro and I'm not sure how I would do it with a single list: http://pastie.org/8344987 21:38:56 progn. 21:39:17 k0001 [~k0001@host198.190-138-109.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 21:39:36 ah it does work. I was worried about the defun in a progn, but parenscript doesn't do anything special there I guess. Thanks! 21:39:48 I don't know what I expected actually :P 21:40:07 -!- sohail_ [~sohail@69-165-134-188.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 21:42:03 ltbarcly [~textual@pool-71-116-73-196.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 21:43:53 fisxoj [~fisxoj@192-0-131-151.cpe.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 21:46:37 aksr [~aksr@unaffiliated/aksr] has joined #lisp 21:48:22 -!- aksr [~aksr@unaffiliated/aksr] has left #lisp 21:50:23 -!- cdidd [~cdidd@128-69-7-185.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:54:55 -!- guest-5150 [3294a258@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.148.162.88] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:55:54 I've spent so much time with javascript I forgot how enjoyable programming can be 21:59:35 -!- genkinodenki [~migrayn@dsl-vntbrasgw1-50dc7f-98.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:00:06 chameco [~samuel@cpe-74-69-188-107.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 22:01:00 add^_ [~user@m176-70-215-99.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 22:01:17 -!- gleag [~gleag@71.175.broadband2.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:01:19 -!- sellout- [~Adium@c-98-245-81-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:03:16 przl [~przlrkt@p5B298DE3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 22:04:15 [1]JPeterson [~JPeterson@81-233-152-121-no83.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #lisp 22:06:41 -!- JPeterson [~JPeterson@81-233-152-121-no83.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 22:06:51 -!- diadara [~diadara@115.249.18.25] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 22:07:32 eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-148-213.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 22:07:33 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p5B298DE3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:07:58 normanrichards [~normanric@70.114.215.220] has joined #lisp 22:08:03 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-148-213.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Client Quit] 22:08:20 neoncortex [~Aerolitus@unaffiliated/xispirito] has joined #lisp 22:08:32 eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-148-213.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 22:08:52 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-148-213.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Client Quit] 22:09:01 eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-148-213.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 22:09:15 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-148-213.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Client Quit] 22:10:01 -!- seangrov` [~user@78-1-105-145.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:10:34 joe9 [~user@ip70-179-153-227.fv.ks.cox.net] has joined #lisp 22:11:36 -!- neoncortex [~Aerolitus@unaffiliated/xispirito] has quit [Client Quit] 22:12:39 boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 22:16:52 sellout- [~Adium@c-98-245-164-232.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:17:09 -!- boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:21:59 -!- chameco [~samuel@cpe-74-69-188-107.stny.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:31:02 Ryan_Burnside [~ryan@63-153-68-119.hlna.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 22:31:12 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:32:04 Does CL support bit twiddling? I'm playing with the idea of storing checkers on a board as bytes. First 6 bits are for position, 7th is for color 8 is for king or normal piece... Normally I'd just use a char type but I guess they are different in CL. 22:32:05 -!- stepnem [~stepnem@internet2.cznet.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:33:07 -!- sabra [~sabra@67.174.222.215] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 22:33:52 You mean like bit shifting funtions and etc? 22:34:02 if so, then yes 22:35:25 <_tca> yes Ryan_Burnside 22:35:33 Ryan_Burnside: just use integers 22:35:56 Ryan_Burnside: logand, logbitp, etc 22:37:11 Ok, just wanted to see how small of memory footprint I could make. 22:37:14 :) 22:37:55 how many checkers boards are you planning on having 22:38:30 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@pool-71-116-73-196.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 22:38:35 Quite a few in memory. I might be doing some deep AI for the game. It will require keeping a tree of moves and outcomes. 22:39:19 Normally I'd use 24 chars (for the pieces) to represent the state of the entire board. 22:40:08 Meaning each board only takes 24 bytes of data. 22:40:23 you can use a (vector (unsigned-byte 8) 24) if you want 22:42:48 -!- Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: ZzzZ] 22:43:27 ltbarcly [~textual@pool-71-116-73-196.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 22:43:59 -!- ubikation [~ubikation@c-98-246-194-189.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:44:49 But it is probably very silly to do that. 22:45:06 unless you're running on an 8-bit 22:45:27 arduino. 22:45:28 eh? 22:45:37 awygle1 [~Andrew@50.46.151.244] has joined #lisp 22:45:50 trying to compress data. 22:45:55 pjb: what are you talking about? 22:46:23 stassats: where were you? 22:46:25 "First 6 bits are for position, 7th is for color 8 is for king or normal piece... " 22:46:51 and what you told about "silly" is silly 22:47:23 I didn't tell anything about "silly". 22:47:40 I told something about compressing data. 22:47:48 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@pool-71-116-73-196.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 22:47:48 or rather, packing it. 22:48:04 and what you told is wrong 22:48:22 I've got 24 GB of RAM. 22:48:23 pjb: stassats please provide your arguments 22:48:26 I will learn 22:48:32 http://chessprogramming.wikispaces.com/Bitboards has more info for ryan. 22:48:32 -!- Karl_dscc [~localhost@p5B2B2DF6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:48:55 chameco [~samuel@cpe-74-69-188-107.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 22:48:58 pjb: do you mean accessing bits may be slower than accessing whole words? 22:49:05 antonv: small data means less cache pressure, less cpu stalls, which means it's faster 22:49:16 antonv: Of course. At least at some scale. 22:49:25 pjb: don't get me excited. Does ecb work on the arduino? 22:49:31 or rather, would an ecb program fit? 22:49:38 er 22:49:40 which doesn't correlate with the amount of RAM 22:49:50 ecl 22:49:55 It means more instructions, so you're balancing the pressure from the data caches to the instruction caches. 22:50:06 Probably more conditionnal jumps too. 22:50:44 Anyways, this is something one can benchmark. 22:51:13 less instructions, what will you feed your CPU on a cache miss? 22:51:51 besides, masks for board games make it really fast 22:52:10 so, not packing is not silly, it's idiotic in this case 22:53:40 Anyways, concentrating on this is also silly when working on a chess program: there are more interesting and more complex problems to solve about chess. 22:53:40 how about defining a structure with fields, and have an array of these structures, and let compiler to optimize 22:53:47 -!- add^_ [~user@m176-70-215-99.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:53:56 it's a checkers program 22:54:01 antonv: well, CL compilers don't optimize that usually :-) 22:54:28 maybe for a reason 22:54:34 Ah, all right. We call it queen in checkers around here, so I was confused. 22:54:40 antonv: because they are dumb 22:55:33 Because you can start doing checker on a 8x8 and suddenly realize that some play it on a 10x10 22:55:37 So all you bit twidling is fucked up. 22:56:35 you change your data structure 22:59:10 -!- pavelpenev [~quassel@130-204-14-33.2075264485.ddns.cablebg.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:02:50 -!- joe9 [~user@ip70-179-153-227.fv.ks.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:04:14 -!- awygle1 [~Andrew@50.46.151.244] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:05:57 Sorry guys had to step away. :) 23:07:07 -!- fisxoj [~fisxoj@192-0-131-151.cpe.teksavvy.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:09:05 -!- sellout- [~Adium@c-98-245-164-232.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:10:01 -!- puchacz [~puchacz@46-65-36-47.zone16.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 23:14:10 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-32-35.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 23:14:10 Thanks for th URL Bike. 23:16:25 robonerd [~user@unaffiliated/key] has joined #lisp 23:16:32 hi any APLers? 23:16:55 why would they be here? 23:18:17 there is no #apl :P 23:18:30 motionman [~motionman@unaffiliated/motionman] has joined #lisp 23:19:19 look at the j channel or something 23:19:34 robonerd: #jsoftware 23:19:48 Its a J channel. 23:20:53 -!- Okasu [~1@unaffiliated/okasu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:21:14 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:23:09 -!- ikki [~ikki@201.164.190.107] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:24:07 Odin- [~sbkhh@erudite.anarchism.is] has joined #lisp 23:25:25 Aramur [~arare@9.Red-83-42-45.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 23:29:53 -!- LiamH [~none@pool-173-73-124-231.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:31:37 awygle1 [~Andrew@50.46.151.244] has joined #lisp 23:31:43 APL looks like one of those antiquated IBM vendor lock-in languages. Like RPG. 23:35:46 it's bad ass, you just don't understand 23:35:56 watch "conways' game of life in apl" on youtube 23:36:01 make sure you cork your anus beforehand 23:36:41 don't be vulgar. 23:39:18 sorry 23:39:36 -!- keltvek [~keltvek@unaffiliated/keltvek] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:39:59 but yes, apl was certainly innovative. i don't think anybody uses APL proper for obvious reasons but J and K do exist and probably are discussed on irc, though not here. 23:40:06 -!- ypyf` [~user@59.38.142.119] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:40:40 ypyf` [~user@59.38.142.119] has joined #lisp 23:43:20 Has anyone managed to find employment that used Common Lisp? It would be cool to program in a sensible language for a living instead of Tibco BusinessWorks. 23:43:31 ikki [~ikki@187.208.130.17] has joined #lisp 23:43:33 rofl 23:44:16 well i'm trying to find the best lang to learn for web app dev 23:44:28 i used ruby in the past but i've been away a long time and figure there's been lang innovation 23:44:47 "better try out something new like APL" 23:45:00 I'm not the type that embraces new languages until they provide an advantage... 23:45:06 or lisp 23:45:39 O_o 23:45:55 Web development scares me a bit because of how fickle and unstable it is. 23:46:00 APL isn't exactly what you'd call a live language... 23:46:14 Web dev is IMO interesting. 23:46:22 Reinventing NeWS the hard way. 23:47:13 Once that realisation hits home - conscious or unconscious - it'll probably stabilise a bit. 23:47:39 I just don't think that tacking all this stuff onto a format that was supposed to be a simple document is a good solution. 23:47:55 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:47:59 axion [~axion@20.sub-70-197-193.myvzw.com] has joined #lisp 23:48:18 Ryan_Burnside: do you use gmail? 23:48:28 PostScript is a version of Forth. 23:48:43 PDF is only barely not Turing complete. 23:48:55 WTF is "a simple document", anyway? 23:49:30 I just figured out something lame that "Github on Windows" does that breaks my repo 23:49:39 ubikation [~ubikation@c-67-168-252-238.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:49:42 there shouldn't be a \return in the original file 23:49:52 but noooo Github has to put them in there 23:50:01 error in FORMAT: unknown directive (character: Return) 23:50:19 it's usually an option at installation time 23:50:48 Odin- NeWS? 23:51:09 @scottj, yes why? 23:52:07 robonerd: Sun extended PostScript a bit, and then used it to build a windowing system where all the rendering happened clientside. 23:52:14 oh 23:52:26 wow, Github on Windows literally pulls the grovel file larger than the actual one 23:52:29 robonerd: Completely network transparent, and able to run complex interfaces over the network. 23:52:39 nice 23:52:44 even downloading the raw on the Github website is the same as the original 23:52:50 robonerd: Stupidly, Sun kept it proprietary, so X11 won out. 23:52:54 ouch 23:53:04 And, yeah, it's _that old_. 23:53:04 resttime: it's a configuration option 23:53:30 And it's a better design than any GUI stuff we have today. :D 23:54:04 for some value of better? 23:54:28 and for the subset of any that Odin- has experience with 23:55:07 stassats: thanks 23:55:17 *resttime* pretends there was never a rant 23:55:51 stassats: Sure. But I'd argue that the fact that the web is heading for exactly the same structural design is a good indication... 23:56:07 web is just a fad 23:56:10 scottj: s/has experience with/is aware of/; 23:56:46 Don't forget the "cloud" aka binding people to your servers so you can drain the living heck out of them for services rather than letting them keep software. 23:56:52 stassats: Like Gates said, multimedia on CD is the future! ;) 23:57:28 Self-hosted webapps, anyone? 23:57:51 self hosted web apps? 23:58:09 like, squirrel mail and php forums and stuff 23:58:23 or phonegap apps maybe 23:58:40 Yes. Programs you run on your own machines with web interfaces, rather than GTK or Qt or whatever. 23:58:50 LightTable 23:59:46 I don't think that mandating a user have a browser is a great idea. Yes it is workable but less than savory in my book.