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CCL seems to run well enough in my pi 00:57:24 although I haven't really run anything significant in it. 00:57:55 I was wondering if anyone had done a gpio abstraction library. It wouldn't be that hard, but I'm curious to see the API of what people have done 00:58:02 CMz [CMz@74-129-39-17.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #lisp 00:58:25 -!- dkordic [~danilo@93-87-124-217.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 01:00:32 Is there a channel for lisp in general? 01:01:11 what is "lisp in general"? 01:01:41 #parenthesis 01:01:42 stassats`, lisp used to be one language. 01:01:58 when was that? in the late 50s? 01:02:48 there's #scheme, #lisp, #emacs, (even #clojure) 01:03:00 hah, "even" 01:03:02 people usually prefer to discuss real things, looks like 01:03:12 don't forget ##javascript 01:03:19 I only talk in the abstract 01:03:25 and what about newLISP, you forgot newLISP, and Arc. 01:03:34 :< 01:03:45 poor pg 01:04:05 sykopomp: i tried to expunge them from memory 01:05:26 hell reigns 01:05:35 stassats`: (:gc) isn't really reliable, don't you know? 01:05:39 even with :force 01:06:06 isaacbw: he's... not very poor 01:06:07 :P 01:07:45 How split are scheme and common lisp? 01:08:07 how split are C and Java? 01:08:14 crocket: very much 01:08:26 i wouldn't even compare them together 01:08:44 stassats`, Are clojure and common lisp split a lot? 01:08:51 even more 01:09:24 how split are C and python, i want to discuss c-like languages in the abstract 01:09:24 ^ 01:09:30 Is lisp just a term for parenthesized languages? 01:09:34 -!- jaimef [jaimef@dns.mauthesis.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 01:09:39 Lisp is a term for Common Lisp 01:09:43 it's a term for things people call lisp 01:09:43 crocket: by the looks of it, yes 01:10:08 man 01:10:10 parenthesis and some sort of macros seem to be the defining features nowadays 01:10:29 I heard macros were for cowboy coders. 01:10:47 is that a term for protagonists of Gibson novels 01:13:50 sykopomp: scheme is a much smaller language 01:14:10 cowboy coders are bad or mediocre coders who like to ruin codebases. 01:14:15 javascript -> java might be a good comparison 01:15:07 I see that cambodia has lots of cowboy coders. 01:15:15 I think the primary defining feature of a lisp is that it makes emacs seem like a good choice 01:15:18 -!- danielszmulewicz [~danielszm@109.226.23.125] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:15:30 My company paid a cambodian company for a webmail client, and the result was an abomination. 01:15:36 joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@086.112-30-64.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has joined #lisp 01:15:47 isaacbw, Is emacs a bad choice? 01:15:59 crocket: it's the best choice if you're writing in lisp 01:16:18 isaacbw, emacs encourages you to code in emacs lisp. 01:16:19 what do you guys think about Shen lisp? 01:16:28 crocket: emacs has slime 01:16:36 sounds slime 01:16:45 jaimef [jaimef@dns.mauthesis.com] has joined #lisp 01:16:51 DrCode [~DrCode@gateway/tor-sasl/drcode] has joined #lisp 01:16:58 -!- mikaelj [~tic@83.248.1.14] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:17:28 i get an urge to learn shen lisp like with Haskell 01:17:28 sykopomp: oh that "smaller language" thing was meant for crocket 01:17:37 mikaelj [~tic@c83-248-1-14.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 01:18:02 -!- zajn [~zajn@airbears2-136-152-142-12.AirBears2.Berkeley.EDU] has quit [Quit: zajn] 01:18:14 -!- joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@086.112-30-64.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has quit [Client Quit] 01:18:31 joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@086.112-30-64.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has joined #lisp 01:18:51 feels weird 01:18:54 so I'm working on a binding for sophia ( 01:19:21 danielszmulewicz [~danielszm@109.226.23.125] has joined #lisp 01:19:46 resttime: cute little languages are only for academical interest, you can't write real programs without libraries and solid implementations 01:19:48 http://sphia.org/documentation.html) and I can't decide on an API for get/set. Should I just accept and return an octet array and let the user deal with conversions, or should I accept a variety of data types and do what I can to convert them to blobs? 01:20:07 fisxoj [~fisxoj@192-0-131-151.cpe.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 01:20:32 the latter wouldn't be so great with multiple host languages using the same database 01:20:42 (which causes some people to bolt their languages on top of JVM) 01:20:59 they don't have to think about gc 01:21:13 isaacbw, Is emacs a good editor if I"m willing to its lisp dialect? 01:21:14 or the other "hard" bits 01:21:31 crocket: is emacs good for emacs lisp? 01:21:50 isaacbw, Why do you ask? 01:21:50 emacs is a fine editor, it's just weird coming from something like vim 01:21:55 stassats`: that's (possibly) a shame, their propaganda seems so enticing 01:22:03 emacs is great if you like emacs lisp 01:22:19 and fine if you don't 01:22:51 I think there's something that lets you write emacs commands with common lisp too 01:23:15 lisp 01:23:20 -!- Bike [~Glossina@69.166.47.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:24:33 emacs with slime is arguably the finest lisp environment available 01:25:06 assuming you can make peace with emacs 01:25:33 and assuming you've mastered the art of buffer and window management 01:25:39 -!- nug700 [~nug700@174-26-133-112.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:25:48 nug700 [~nug700@174-26-135-85.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 01:26:09 does "smash C-x o until it looks right" count? 01:26:52 isaacbw, make peace with emacs? 01:27:03 sounds as if emacs itself were a bad thing. 01:27:12 CADD [~CADD@12.227.104.109] has joined #lisp 01:27:32 Not even that, dealing with windows popping up randomly, getting used to how emacs orders buffers, screwing up your layout, etc 01:27:39 emacs was made by and for crazy people 01:27:52 isaacbw, So it's built for insanity? 01:27:52 if you aren't crazy yet, you will be 01:28:12 Or chaotic? 01:28:28 well, i used to use vim and now i use emacs 01:28:43 crocket: as in insanity 01:28:46 the thing i realized is that pretty much every vim plugin was a crappy reimplementation of slime 01:29:05 vimscript is unfortunate 01:29:16 it really is horrible 01:29:28 zajn [~zajn@airbears2-136-152-142-12.AirBears2.Berkeley.EDU] has joined #lisp 01:29:29 so it looks like (unsigned-byte 8) sequences in the API are my best bet 01:29:34 maybe with some utility functions for using strings 01:29:38 -!- zajn [~zajn@airbears2-136-152-142-12.AirBears2.Berkeley.EDU] has quit [Client Quit] 01:29:55 Bike [~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu] has joined #lisp 01:31:26 knob [~knob@66-50-90-125.prtc.net] has joined #lisp 01:32:39 -!- DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@1.148.205.8] has quit [Quit: Disconnecting -- bye] 01:36:49 -!- JuanDaugherty [~Ren@cpe-76-180-168-166.buffalo.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Exit IRC] 01:39:51 -!- crocket [~crocket@unaffiliated/crocket] has left #lisp 01:41:26 -!- zmyrgel [~zmyrgel@a91-153-150-75.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:41:33 or polymorphic, so it accepts either strings or byte arrays? 01:41:34 zmyrgel [~zmyrgel@a91-153-150-75.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #lisp 01:43:17 harish [harish@nat/redhat/x-hoaqgqvzwemokuqb] has joined #lisp 01:45:54 ssqq [~songzhiqu@27.106.130.172] has joined #lisp 01:46:11 -!- segv- [~mb@95-91-241-46-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:46:29 -!- k0001 is now known as return 01:46:39 -!- Bike [~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:47:11 -!- return is now known as k0001 01:47:39 -!- travisr [~travisrod@17.223.151.202] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:47:57 Could Common Lisp use Emacs Lisp package with Regexp expression to get ability manipulate match and replace text? 01:48:35 ssqq, there are already packages in Lisp for regular expressions. See CL-PPCRE 01:49:17 Quadrescence, Thanks a lot 01:49:27 -!- ssqq [~songzhiqu@27.106.130.172] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:53:45 Bike [~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu] has joined #lisp 01:55:04 -!- paul0__ is now known as paul0 01:56:29 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:56:30 andreh [~andreh@177.133.55.216] has joined #lisp 01:59:20 ssqq [~songzhiqu@27.106.130.172] has joined #lisp 01:59:49 -!- sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 02:00:48 Quadrescence, Can I use CL-PPCRE in Emacs Lisp? 02:00:55 no 02:00:58 emacs lisp is off-topic 02:02:00 aw|incendiary_ [~zacharias@unaffiliated/aw] has joined #lisp 02:02:49 -!- ssqq [~songzhiqu@27.106.130.172] has quit [Client Quit] 02:02:52 Didn't someone port elisp to cl? 02:04:03 -!- k0001 [~k0001@host19.190-226-192.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:04:14 -!- aw|incendiary [~zacharias@unaffiliated/aw] has quit [Ping 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timeout: 264 seconds] 11:32:50 Describe lists the unqualified slot names of an object instance. How do you get the package names of the slots of the object? 11:34:25 genkinodenki [~migrayn@dsl-vntbrasgw1-50dc7f-98.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #lisp 11:36:15 -!- agumonkey [~agu@147.158.70.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:37:17 p_l [~pl@tsugumi.brage.info] has joined #lisp 11:41:59 -!- benkard [~benkard@2001:4ca0:0:f230:2ce4:749e:5f8b:c470] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 11:42:06 -!- echo-area [~user@182.92.247.2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:43:07 I mean, it's cumbersome to (pprint (class-slots (class-of ))). 11:43:55 cumbersome how? 11:47:06 -!- kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:49:35 -!- harish_ [~harish@119.234.184.252] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:50:34 jdz: when in a listener, exploring. 11:51:17 chr`: (defun show-slots (instance) (pprint (class-slots (class-of instance)))) 11:51:54 :) 11:53:47 -!- keltvek [~keltvek@unaffiliated/keltvek] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 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I thought that a symbol whose name cannot be mistaken for a number should get returned without ||? 14:35:35 flip214: 5y could be a number. 14:35:38 Well, that might be mistaken, depending on your base. 14:35:52 Base 36 for the win. 14:36:12 Although I'm not sure why it's downcased there. 14:36:46 clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has joined #lisp 14:36:59 Zhivago: ah, right. base36 is supported via *read-base*. forgot about that. 14:37:08 and the lowercase is a typo here. 14:37:14 nipra [~nipra@122.177.223.131] has joined #lisp 14:37:48 and '5+3z gives me |2+3Z|... 14:38:04 '2=3z works, though. 14:38:17 never stop learning .... 14:38:35 flip214, this has to do with a standard concept called "potential numbers" 14:38:48 duggiefr_ [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has joined #lisp 14:38:55 Isn't it due to *print-readably*? 14:39:53 It has to do with it I think. The intent is to allow implementations to support other number types. Perhaps 1234q-2 is a quad-double precision number. 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16:26:55 clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has joined #lisp 16:27:26 yes 16:27:49 to clarify, i was trying to do it in the context of hashbang 16:28:36 then no, thank unix 16:29:16 that's what i thought! 16:29:36 Hello , how can I do a let with x vars 16:29:41 for example , a normal let => (let ((x0) (x1) (x2))), but i will like 16:29:49 (setf n 5) 16:29:50 (let ( (x0) 16:29:50 (x1) 16:29:50 (x2) 16:29:50 (x3) 16:29:50 (x4))) 16:29:54 or 16:30:00 setf n 2) 16:30:00 (let ( (x0) 16:30:01 (x1) )) 16:30:01 don't paste here 16:30:03 hwiersma [~hwiersma@S0106602ad08e475a.ok.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 16:30:07 sorry 16:30:48 If x varies at runtime, surely you want an array. 16:32:41 <|3b|> how would the variables be used if they aren't know when the code is written? 16:33:05 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 16:34:23 you con see the paste in: http://paste.lisp.org/display/139034 16:34:30 <|3b|> if you are just being lazy and know a specific # in advance you could write a macro, but it probably would be harder to figure out and wouldn't save much typing 16:35:00 Juanito-Jons: what do you really want to do? 16:36:35 -!- clmsy [~clmsy@212.57.9.204] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:36:36 ok, in a query, I get some ids, then i need to do a checkboxes 16:37:50 then, in the let I need declare this variables 16:38:35 Why? 16:39:34 Juanito-Jons: i still have no idea what you're trying to do 16:40:04 -!- smazga [~Adium@li336-165.members.linode.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:40:25 sorry, can explain better, just a minute 16:43:10 Kydo [~fafa@host134-195-dynamic.37-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 16:43:26 -!- Gooder [~user@221.197.6.205] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:43:40 ok I have this code: http://paste.lisp.org/display/139035 16:43:41 -!- sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 16:45:45 then, i need to declarate a some variables in the "let" and next I can use that variables 16:47:49 for each variable I have to use a checkbox 16:48:58 So you want to replace each of the yes 16:49:13 Use an array. 16:49:23 as dynamic 16:49:37 ok 16:50:00 -!- pranavrc [~pranavrc@unaffiliated/pranavrc] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:50:04 -!- JuanDaugherty [~Ren@cpe-76-180-168-166.buffalo.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 16:51:12 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:52:29 thank you 16:53:06 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:53:38 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:53:40 nug700 [~nug700@174-26-135-85.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 16:53:56 foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has joined #lisp 17:05:48 JuanDaugherty [~Ren@cpe-76-180-168-166.buffalo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 17:07:55 yrk [~user@c-50-133-134-220.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:08:06 -!- yrk [~user@c-50-133-134-220.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 17:08:06 yrk [~user@pdpc/supporter/student/yrk] has joined #lisp 17:10:21 -!- paul0 [~paul0@189.114.192.79.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:11:03 duggiefr_ [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has joined #lisp 17:12:05 -!- duggiefresh [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:13:03 Fare [fare@nat/google/x-rnbgdyuqnspifusn] has joined #lisp 17:13:09 tylergoza [~tylergoza@user-24-96-98-239.knology.net] has joined #lisp 17:13:17 -!- hitecnologys_ [~hitecnolo@94.137.18.148] has quit [Quit: hitecnologys_] 17:14:34 dsevilla [~user@175.Red-83-54-234.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 17:14:59 duggiefresh [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has joined #lisp 17:16:15 paul0 [~paul0@189.114.192.79.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #lisp 17:17:27 travisr [~travisrod@17.223.151.202] has joined #lisp 17:17:30 -!- duggiefr_ [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:21:42 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 17:22:34 Juanito-Jons: perhaps you should read http://www.kalzumeus.com/2010/06/17/falsehoods-programmers-believe-about-names/ 17:22:54 -!- JuanDaugherty [~Ren@cpe-76-180-168-166.buffalo.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Exit IRC] 17:23:09 ok 17:25:38 You could also use a structure, and a list of structure accessor name with funcall, or a CLOS object and a list of slot names with slot-value. 17:26:40 Can i use progv ? 17:26:55 you don't want to use progv. 17:27:13 Vivitron [~Vivitron@c-50-172-44-193.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:27:30 progv makes dynamic variables. 17:28:17 ok 17:28:35 So in theory, it would be possible, with symbol-value, but normal data or lexical variables are preferable in general. 17:29:18 ok 17:29:30 nydel [~nydel@ip72-197-245-1.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 17:31:34 hellos all 17:35:06 yo 17:35:13 -!- diadara [~diadara@115.249.18.25] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:36:03 diadara [~diadara@115.249.18.25] has joined #lisp 17:36:14 -!- antgreen [~green@dsl-173-206-30-218.tor.primus.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:39:11 svs__ [~svs@173-162-137-153-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 17:46:30 lduros`` [~user@ACaen-652-1-280-203.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 17:48:12 -!- diadara [~diadara@115.249.18.25] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:48:26 diadara [~diadara@115.249.18.25] has joined #lisp 17:48:43 -!- lduros` [~user@ACaen-652-1-262-110.w90-17.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:56:09 -!- Yang__ [~Yang@60.191.2.238] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 17:57:00 Yang__ [~Yang@60.191.2.238] has joined #lisp 17:59:16 diadara_ [~diadara@115.249.18.25] has joined #lisp 17:59:17 -!- diadara [~diadara@115.249.18.25] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:01:57 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:02:27 -!- ck`` [~ck@dslb-094-219-237-029.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:04:43 -!- irq0 [~irq0@amy.irq0.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:09:10 Bike_ [~Glossina@69.166.47.109] has joined #lisp 18:09:18 -!- Bike [~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:09:22 Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 18:09:49 -!- Bike_ is now known as Bike 18:11:32 hiroakip [~hiroaki@p5DC62B06.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 18:13:38 ericmathison [~ericmathi@66-192-9-99.static.twtelecom.net] has joined #lisp 18:14:00 k0001_ [~k0001@host89.200-117-34.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 18:15:28 irq0 [~irq0@amy.irq0.org] has joined #lisp 18:15:42 -!- duggiefresh [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:16:26 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-128-40.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:16:35 tertl3-laptop [~tertl3-la@75.139.64.89] has joined #lisp 18:17:10 duggiefresh [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has joined #lisp 18:17:17 oleo [~oleo@xdsl-87-79-248-15.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 18:17:30 Munksgaard [~philip@80-71-132-106.u.parknet.dk] has joined #lisp 18:17:32 -!- k0001 [~k0001@host162.190-137-64.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:17:51 -!- Xach [xach@clozure-FF3E0EE5.maine.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout] 18:18:11 -!- dtw [~dtw@pdpc/supporter/active/dtw] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 18:19:04 -!- Xach [~xach@pdpc/supporter/professional/xach] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:22:29 -!- nydel [~nydel@ip72-197-245-1.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: quit] 18:23:37 mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has joined #lisp 18:26:35 drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has joined #lisp 18:30:15 -!- Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:31:13 Xach [~xach@pdpc/supporter/professional/xach] has joined #lisp 18:35:02 -!- ogamita [~t@90.24.176.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:37:57 -!- Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:38:16 Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has joined #lisp 18:38:56 patrickwonders [~patrickwo@pool-74-98-4-147.altnpa.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 18:39:49 foeniks [~fevon@p5091F54E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 18:41:03 prxq [~mommer@mnhm-590c1eb2.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 18:46:31 -!- Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 18:47:46 Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has joined #lisp 18:49:08 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:49:37 Shinmera_ [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has joined #lisp 18:50:06 Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 18:52:29 foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has joined #lisp 18:52:41 -!- Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 18:52:53 hi 18:53:48 so I'm developing that pgloader thing, and using asdf and quicklisp for it, with quite a lot of dependencies. In the process of doing pgloader, I came up with a new librairie that I want to publish in Quicklisp too, named "abnf" 18:54:01 currently that lib is located within the source tree of pgloader itself 18:54:44 ~/quicklisp/local-projects/ 18:54:56 -!- danielszmulewicz [~danielszm@109.226.23.125] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:55:24 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has quit [Client Quit] 18:55:46 the dependency solving at ql:quickload time are solved fine here, but I've just got a report from a user where it's failing with "System abnl not found" 18:56:30 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-9-213.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:56:33 pjb: well I want to offer a self contained script or binary at the end, maybe it's time for me to look at cl-buildapp for that project, but maybe not 18:57:26 in the main pgloader.lisp #! script I'm setting up quicklisp then doing (ql:quickload '(:pgloader)), which is the step failing here, apparently 18:57:38 -!- quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-98-217.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:57:52 quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-98-217.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 18:57:55 foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has joined #lisp 18:58:23 Well, you will have to ask Xach to include abnf to the quicklisp distribution, but in the meantime, you can install it in ~/quicklisp/local-projects/ 18:58:43 meanwhile I asked the user to do ln -s path/to/pgloader/lib/abnf ~/quicklisp/local-projects; and just got a confirmation email that it then works for him 18:59:17 -!- Bike [~Glossina@69.166.47.109] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:59:26 Otherwise, if you put it in random places, you need to configure ASDF. I know the old simple way: push the directory where the asd file is onto asdf:*central-registry* 18:59:37 pjb: so it's only a bootstrap problem rather than the opportunity to do the script startup in a more proper way? 18:59:38 <|3b|> dim: just to make sure, was the abnl in the failure a typo transcribing it? 19:00:12 Bike [~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu] has joined #lisp 19:00:13 yes, thanks for noticing 19:00:35 abeaumont [~abeaumont@77.231.255.218] has joined #lisp 19:00:56 danielszmulewicz [~danielszm@109.226.23.125] has joined #lisp 19:02:21 -!- nipra [~nipra@122.177.223.131] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:03:13 https://github.com/sbcl/sbcl/blob/master/src/code/eval.lisp 19:03:17 erp, wrong win 19:03:24 *j_king* is sorry 19:04:53 Okasu [~1@unaffiliated/okasu] has joined #lisp 19:04:57 zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 19:05:02 -!- agumonkey [~agu@147.158.70.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:07:21 diadara__ [~diadara@115.249.18.25] has joined #lisp 19:07:24 dim: what's pgloader? 19:08:01 a data loader for PostgreSQL 19:08:19 also, instead of cl-buildapp, cl-launch that is portable to almost all implementations 19:08:33 was buildapp fixed to work with asdf3 ? 19:08:41 diadara [~diadara@27.107.168.10] has joined #lisp 19:09:10 all I know is that last I tried buildapp wounld't build a binary when the application depends on uiop 19:09:34 so I'm a little weary of losing time with asdf and buildapp considerations now, as my time is quite limited 19:09:46 cl-launch should just work 19:09:49 mmm, warry, right? 19:09:56 -!- diadara_ [~diadara@115.249.18.25] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:09:57 what, me worry? 19:10:16 buildapp "works for me" with asdf3 19:10:22 I'm using #! /usr/bin/sbcl --script and uiop and command-line-arguments now, it works ok 19:10:32 dim: nice 19:10:35 the quicklisp dependency resolution at startup is still quite long 19:10:44 diadara_ [~diadara@115.249.18.25] has joined #lisp 19:10:55 http://git.tapoueh.org/?p=pgloader.git;a=summary if you're curious enough 19:11:50 in any case, I'm glad that implementations are slowly but surely adopting asdf 3. 19:12:01 -!- diadara__ [~diadara@115.249.18.25] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:13:25 dim: What happened when you tried? 19:13:49 JuanDaugherty [~Ren@cpe-76-180-168-166.buffalo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 19:14:21 Xach: I think I did report to you here, I don't remember the fine details and exact cl-buildapp error messages, could retry with either the old use-case or pgloader if you're interested 19:14:50 dim: Oh, sorry. I don't remember the details if already reported. An issue on github, or an email, would be super. 19:14:53 arnsa_ [~arnsa@78-63-18-208.static.zebra.lt] has joined #lisp 19:14:53 -!- diadara [~diadara@27.107.168.10] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:15:06 -!- arnsa_ [~arnsa@78-63-18-208.static.zebra.lt] has quit [Client Quit] 19:16:07 hopefully, with 3.0.3, adoption will be universal, as it was for 2.26 19:16:10 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Quit: Life is too short] 19:16:54 ubikation [~ubikation@c-67-168-252-238.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:16:55 2013-03-23 00:28 Invalid initialization argument: :AROUND-COMPILE when trying to load system uiop from buildapp, now (on another system) 19:17:17 btw, if any ECL user is willing to contribute a decent backtrace to UIOP, that'd be nice. The one from trivial-backtrace sucked 19:18:44 dim: it seems like there may be an old asdf and a new asdf involved in that predicament. 19:18:56 well I thouth I did try more recently than that, I will try again 19:21:40 -!- setmeaway [jooooooo@119.201.52.138] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:23:25 Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 19:23:49 -!- Bike [~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:26:51 -!- travisr [~travisrod@17.223.151.202] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:27:28 francogrex [~user@29.89-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #lisp 19:29:26 -!- maxter [~maxter@gaffeless.chaperon.volia.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 19:29:50 agumonkey [~agu@147.158.70.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 19:30:58 -!- Aramur [~arare@9.Red-83-42-45.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:31:07 dim: what asdf are you using? 19:31:23 maxter [~maxter@gaffeless.chaperon.volia.net] has joined #lisp 19:32:13 remind me how do I figure out? ;-) 19:32:22 Aramur [~arare@9.Red-83-42-45.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 19:34:10 -!- Patzy_ [~something@lns-bzn-51f-81-56-151-137.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:34:33 finally found (asdf:asdf-version) "3.0.2" 19:34:57 I'm pretty sure it wasn't the case last I tried, I upgraded my copy of SBCL today 19:35:10 stepnem_ [~stepnem@internet2.cznet.cz] has joined #lisp 19:35:11 Patzy [~something@lns-bzn-51f-81-56-151-137.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 19:35:42 Bike [~Glossina@69.166.47.101] has joined #lisp 19:35:47 -!- stepnem [~stepnem@internet2.cznet.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:35:47 -!- stepnem_ is now known as stepnem 19:36:06 rebuilding a buildapp executable while at it 19:36:21 -!- Aramur [~arare@9.Red-83-42-45.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Client Quit] 19:36:55 fourier [~fourier@fsf/member/fourier] has joined #lisp 19:38:22 dim: don't you use github ? 19:38:39 I do, yes, quite a lot 19:38:55 ah, good 19:38:58 yes, SBCL upgraded to 3.0.2 not too long ago 19:39:26 thing is, I don't want to replace the github's version of pgloader (old one, python code) with the new and shiny version (CL) before the new version is feature compliant 19:39:36 and I'm still a long way to that point really 19:39:37 dim: what's your account ? 19:39:41 apparently 3.0.3 will better support Windows 19:39:54 I'm https://github.com/dimitri 19:39:57 ah 19:40:03 I was searching for tapoueh 19:40:18 what does that mean, by the way ? 19:40:22 dim: what's missing? 19:41:23 dim: do you want windows support in pgloader ? 19:41:58 some CSV and fixed columns format handling, and advanced oddities in almost-like-csv formats I used to support in the python version, reading from stdin, loading several files in parallel, add a compat' system for the old .INI files 19:42:08 nothing hard to achieve, the hard parts I've done already 19:42:42 but I'm playing with the new system (adding a syslog --> pgsql loader) rather than making it feature complete 19:42:54 fe[nl]ix: windows support is not an option, yes I need it 19:43:00 unfortunately 19:43:46 tapoueh is from a Canadian Comedian sketch more than a decade ago, and everybody but me heas "Kapoue" which means I got myself a unique handle on the internet 19:45:34 current buildapp is saying: Fatal c-string-decoding-error: :ascii c-string decoding error: the octet sequence #(239) cannot be decoded. 19:45:47 which csv library are you using? 19:46:01 #:cl-csv ; full CSV reader 19:46:08 (is it time to retire fare-csv, or is it still competitive in the market?) 19:46:24 I did consider fare-csv but didn't want to use it 19:46:29 if only I could tell you why 19:46:31 -!- edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-109-193-013-113.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: conversation lost because computer sucks] 19:47:00 might be because I wanted a map-like interface for my code to get called in an event streaming like fashion 19:47:22 pgloader needs to be able to operate on files larger than RAM 19:48:47 Juanito-Jons: Also, what you seem to be trying to do is an obvious candidate for dynamic-extent. 19:49:26 ok 19:49:41 zendessert [569c52ef@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.156.82.239] has joined #lisp 19:50:51 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:51:26 How do you write a macro that expands into a CASE clause? (CASE X (MY-MACRO #\A 10) (ELSE NIL)) doesn't work, because CASE treats the macro name as a symbol to compare X against. Do I have to write a macro that expands *into* the case statement, rather than write one that expands *within* a case statement? 19:51:51 zendessert: yes, case doesn't macroexpand its clauses. 19:52:04 Dammit. Thanks for the clarification Bike. 19:52:06 since... why would it 19:52:15 zendessert: you have to write a macro that wraps all of CASE 19:52:30 zendessert: although a lot of people use reader macros with CASE 19:52:36 depending on the use case. 19:52:58 I mean, they use #. :) 19:53:01 Bike, as a newb, I would like to ask why CASE /wouldn't/ try to macroexpand its clauses. 19:53:16 zendessert: because they're not in an evaluated place. 19:53:22 But it looks like I need to read about reader macros 19:53:40 zendessert: for eaxmple, see com.informatimago.common-lisp.cesarum.utility:float-typecase 19:53:55 sykopomp: I don't get that. Why not? 19:54:17 zendessert: would you expect functions' lambda-lists to expand as macros? 19:54:24 it's the same thing. 19:54:36 It might be quite interesting ^^ 19:54:54 Thanks anyway everyone. 19:54:54 messy semantics are often "interesting", yes 19:55:40 smazga [~Adium@li336-165.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 19:55:52 anyway, the point is, yes, you need to wrap all of CASE, but you can do stuff like (case x #.(presto-expando #\A 10) (otherwise nil)) 19:56:49 But you can't from a single reader macro, return several clauses. 19:57:02 right 19:57:03 Unless you return a tail for the form: (case x . #.(compute-clauses)) 19:58:03 -!- Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:58:29 -!- ggole [~ggole@203-59-53-24.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [] 19:58:30 Sweet. Luckily I only return one clause. I'm writing a small parser, and I have a case statement within a DO loop that parses paired delimeters. My macro expands into code to do that, but there was a lot of duplication for each delimeter I wanted to parse, so a macro seemed perfect. 19:59:30 you could have like ((#\() (delimiter-macro #\()) ((#\[) (delimiter-macro #\[)) or such in the clauses, maybe? 20:00:00 -!- genkinodenki [~migrayn@dsl-vntbrasgw1-50dc7f-98.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:00:02 l_ [~l@84.233.246.170] has joined #lisp 20:01:15 Bike: Ah, I'm going to try that! Thanks :-) 20:01:33 i'm just guessing at how your code works, obviously 20:01:42 -!- l_ [~l@84.233.246.170] has left #lisp 20:01:45 -!- abeaumont [~abeaumont@77.231.255.218] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20:02:33 ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:04:02 duggiefr_ [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has joined #lisp 20:05:22 -!- duggiefresh [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:07:33 -!- hiroakip [~hiroaki@p5DC62B06.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:07:38 Thanks Bike, that worked like a charm. 20:07:52 cool 20:08:16 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 20:10:43 Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 20:15:33 -!- `fogus [~fogus@freedom.d-a-s.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:17:05 jewel [~jewel@105-236-146-135.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 20:19:50 -!- mshroyer_ is now known as mshroyer 20:23:46 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@rrcs-108-178-120-144.sw.biz.rr.com] has quit [] 20:25:39 travisr [~travisrod@17.223.151.202] has joined #lisp 20:27:43 hiroakip [~hiroaki@37-4-164-85-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 20:27:57 l_ [~ccnot@84.233.246.170] has joined #lisp 20:29:33 -!- l_ [~ccnot@84.233.246.170] has left #lisp 20:29:57 -!- scampbell [~scampbell@mail.scampbell.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:31:58 -!- Shinmera_ [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20:32:41 -!- foeniks [~fevon@p5091F54E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:32:50 -!- dsevilla [~user@175.Red-83-54-234.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:33:21 -!- jewel [~jewel@105-236-146-135.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:33:46 Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has joined #lisp 20:34:03 -!- pierre1 [~pierre1@179.218.154.208] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:34:31 ltbarcly [~textual@cci-209150226126.clarityconnect.net] has joined #lisp 20:35:26 -!- zendessert [569c52ef@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.156.82.239] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:37:06 -!- Bike [~Glossina@69.166.47.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:37:27 -!- ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ejohnson] 20:37:50 -!- alezost [~user@128-70-203-73.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 20:38:03 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:38:21 -!- Yang__ [~Yang@60.191.2.238] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:38:46 Yang__ [~Yang@60.191.2.238] has joined #lisp 20:39:26 -!- Fare [fare@nat/google/x-rnbgdyuqnspifusn] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:42:50 -!- Okasu [~1@unaffiliated/okasu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:45:18 -!- _d3f [~gnu@nl1.ovpn.to] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 20:46:00 Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 20:47:22 przl [~przlrkt@p5B298BDD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 20:48:38 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@cci-209150226126.clarityconnect.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:50:09 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:51:15 Keynote Speakers: Dan Liebgold (Naughty Dog) Racket on the Playstation 3? It's Not What you Think!  http://con.racket-lang.org 20:51:35 -!- knob [~knob@76.76.202.244] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:52:10 sellout-: I assume he was also responsible for GOAL? 20:52:21 sykopomp: Yup. 20:52:36 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p5B298BDD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:53:55 Bike [~Glossina@wl-nat97.it.wsu.edu] has joined #lisp 20:54:59 neat, the guy worked on Starcraft & Sacrifice 20:55:56 they do have strange names, racket, con 20:56:00 desophos [~desophos@n138h11.dhcp.oxy.edu] has joined #lisp 20:56:03 scheme 20:57:05 it just keeps getting sketchier over the years. 20:57:14 lduros``` [~user@ACaen-652-1-364-215.w81-48.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 20:57:16 Planner was all innocent and stuff. 20:57:52 diadara__ [~diadara@115.249.18.25] has joined #lisp 20:58:02 ehaliewicz [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 20:58:18 -!- lduros`` [~user@ACaen-652-1-280-203.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:58:30 is the | operator in C called LOGIOR in lisp? 20:58:44 genkinodenki [~migrayn@dsl-vntbrasgw1-50dc7f-98.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #lisp 20:58:48 -!- diadara_ [~diadara@115.249.18.25] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:59:12 yes 21:01:23 *macdice* had never come across 'inclusive' or as a term before 21:02:30 -!- ahungry_ [~null@66.184.106.97] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:04:08 -!- drdo [~drdo@2a02:2498:e000:20::16f:2] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:04:25 -!- gensym [~timo@85.158.178.76] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:04:29 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:04:49 mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has joined #lisp 21:05:09 gensym [~timo@85.158.178.76] has joined #lisp 21:05:58 drdo [~drdo@2a02:2498:e000:20::16f:2] has joined #lisp 21:06:28 Okasu [~1@unaffiliated/okasu] has joined #lisp 21:06:47 -!- maxter [~maxter@gaffeless.chaperon.volia.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:07:03 bananagram [~bot@c-76-30-158-226.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:07:57 daimrod [daimrod@sbrk.org] has joined #lisp 21:08:21 Adlai [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has joined #lisp 21:10:39 -!- arnsa [arnas@78-63-18-208.static.zebra.lt] has quit [] 21:11:09 Lock on package COMMON-LISP violated when proclaiming TYPE as a function while in package DB3. [Condition of type SYMBOL-PACKAGE-LOCKED-ERROR] 21:11:22 that's a new problem for me, how do I figure out what's wrong in details? 21:12:22 -!- Okasu [~1@unaffiliated/okasu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:12:36 don't define a function named TYPE 21:14:50 oh. well, ok. (code I didn't write in the first place) 21:16:28 -!- zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 21:17:25 this program works well in only sbcl and cmucl: http://paste.lisp.org/display/139040#1 other implementations (ecl, ccl, clisp, acl) => error access to restricted memory area! which seems strange especially that memory is allocated how can it be restricted 21:17:37 indeed, solves it 21:17:40 thanks 21:18:04 lesson learned: capitalisation in error messages actually is important 21:18:15 francogrex: you can't execute it 21:18:24 man mprotect 21:18:25 http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Darwin/Reference/ManPages/man2/mprotect.2.html 21:19:44 -!- lduros``` [~user@ACaen-652-1-364-215.w81-48.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:20:03 Fare [~fare@cpe-69-203-115-132.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 21:21:06 -!- bjorkintosh [~bjork@ip68-13-229-200.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:22:33 normanrichards [~normanric@mobile-166-147-065-177.mycingular.net] has joined #lisp 21:22:57 so sbcl and cmucl overcome this protection or does it happen by chance that their FFI allocate to permissible memory areas? 21:23:30 -!- statl [~statl@dslb-094-218-230-031.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 21:23:54 chameco [~samuel@cpe-74-69-188-107.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 21:23:59 sbcl heap is executable so that you can put functions to it at run-time 21:24:46 ok. i suppose cmucl the same; too bad for the others 21:25:35 *francogrex* disappointed: put high hopes on ccl, especially because of its android port 21:26:13 eh? who stops you from calling mprotect? 21:28:05 -!- Fare [~fare@cpe-69-203-115-132.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 21:31:34 foreign-alloc doesn't make an object on the lisp heap, does it? 21:31:51 I'm surprised that memory is returned with execute permission, TBH. 21:35:03 -!- svs__ [~svs@173-162-137-153-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: svs__] 21:36:11 I will try. although from the description of the error it seems not to allow me to write to the allocated memory #X0808AEE8 (send) << this here seems protected 21:40:55 -!- Yang__ [~Yang@60.191.2.238] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 21:41:21 Fare [fare@nat/google/x-scoctsfmpdisotpn] has joined #lisp 21:41:25 Yang__ [~Yang@60.191.2.238] has joined #lisp 21:42:06 -!- diadara__ [~diadara@115.249.18.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:43:40 -!- Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:44:45 nialo [nialo@ool-44c53f01.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 21:44:58 -!- arrsim [~user@27-32-235-88.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:48:28 -!- nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:49:25 foom: right, of course 21:49:34 (write (alien-funcall (extern-alien "personality" (function int unsigned-long)) #xffffffff) :base 16) => 440000 21:49:38 and READ_IMPLIES_EXEC = 0x0400000 21:50:44 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 21:51:02 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@mobile-166-147-065-177.mycingular.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:51:18 and heap on ccl is rwxp too 21:52:29 bitonic [~user@xdsl-188-155-179-93.adslplus.ch] has joined #lisp 21:54:06 -!- francogrex [~user@29.89-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 21:54:12 oh, hey, I have a fix for that. ;) 21:54:27 I forgot I needed to forward that to the list, thanks for the reminder 21:54:36 heh 21:54:52 foom: don't break francogrex's heart! 21:56:28 -!- danielszmulewi-1 [~daniel@109.226.23.125] has quit [Quit: danielszmulewi-1] 21:56:54 danielszmulewi-1 [~daniel@109.226.23.125] has joined #lisp 21:58:23 something is bound to break with READ_IMPLIES_EXEC 21:58:55 without 21:59:02 Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 21:59:03 bgs100 [~nitrogen@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #lisp 22:00:26 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:00:42 -!- mgile [~mgile@74-92-220-177-Colorado.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:01:50 Aramur [~arare@9.Red-83-42-45.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 22:03:31 nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 22:05:11 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 22:07:16 -!- Karl_dscc [~localhost@p5B2B09F8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:08:27 I'm losing my mind on some special bindings not reaching sub-threads 22:08:41 (let ((*pgconn-port* 54393)) (pgloader.db3:stream-file "~/Downloads/comsimp2013.dbf" :dbname "dim" :create-table nil)) 22:09:05 -!- gleag [~gleag@71.175.broadband2.iol.cz] has quit [Quit: Odcházím] 22:09:21 special binding are thread-local 22:09:26 the stream-file function create 2 threads, one of them connecting to pgsql, and in that thread the *pgconn-port* value is the default one (5432) 22:10:27 well but I have other code made the same for which I can actually do that operation and get the result I need 22:10:35 -!- Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: Zzz] 22:10:39 there's something I'm loosing in there 22:10:59 it may seem so 22:11:53 -!- wyan [~wyan@ec2-54-246-94-212.eu-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:11:57 -!- kwmiebach [~kwmiebach@xdsl-78-35-238-184.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:12:27 the other code I have generates the let form then compiles it then runs it, so maybe at compilation the global binding default value is set? 22:12:47 no, LET doesn't touch the global binding 22:13:14 even when compiling a lambda? 22:13:24 -!- sirdancealo2 [~sirdancea@194.228.11.84] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:13:26 never ever 22:13:36 it only accesses the old value to save it 22:13:52 (funcall (compile nil (lambda () (let ((*pgconn-port* 54393)) (declare (special *pgconn-port*)) (pgloader.db3:stream-file "~/Downloads/comsimp2013.dbf" :dbname "dim" :create-table nil))))) ; of course you're right 22:14:02 so I don't understand how the other parts of the code works 22:14:11 nor how to make that one working 22:14:51 haven't we been through this already? 22:15:21 yes, but only when it's after midnight here. sorry about that. 22:15:23 wyan [~wyan@ec2-54-246-94-212.eu-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com] has joined #lisp 22:15:33 -!- Bike [~Glossina@wl-nat97.it.wsu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:15:54 so I should explicitely pass the values as arguments and rebind them within the thread 22:16:02 if you wish so 22:16:14 diadara__ [~diadara@115.249.18.25] has joined #lisp 22:16:23 or use the bindings arguments of lparallel 22:17:42 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:19:46 -!- LiamH [~healy@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:23:55 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:25:42 thanks, after fixing some other unrelated bugs it works now 22:26:15 sirdancealo2 [~sirdancea@194.228.11.84] has joined #lisp 22:26:20 the question I will have to solve later is why I have code that is known-to-me to work correctly with no apparent reason 22:26:35 maybe I will have to re-test it and discover it's not working 22:28:16 prxq_ [~mommer@x2f66e88.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #lisp 22:28:36 -!- prxq [~mommer@mnhm-590c1eb2.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:29:02 -!- chameco [~samuel@cpe-74-69-188-107.stny.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:29:36 -!- nug700 [~nug700@174-26-135-85.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:30:17 nug700 [~nug700@174-26-152-74.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 22:30:59 -!- stepnem [~stepnem@internet2.cznet.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 22:34:59 zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 22:37:10 abeaumont [~abeaumont@175.13.221.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 22:37:56 -!- Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:39:02 arrsim [~user@27-32-235-88.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #lisp 22:41:19 -!- abeaumont [~abeaumont@175.13.221.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:41:42 -!- diadara__ [~diadara@115.249.18.25] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 22:43:33 ok now pgloader is able to load DB3 files (.dbf) into PostgreSQL, and will even do the create table if you ask for it! 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