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#lisp 06:47:06 ltbarcly_ [~jvanwink@pool-71-116-73-196.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 06:52:35 namtsui [~user@c-76-21-121-73.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 06:54:29 angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has joined #lisp 07:13:56 hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@94.137.40.198] has joined #lisp 07:14:32 Greetings. 07:14:38 I'm back. 07:15:09 -!- ericmathison [~ericmathi@172.15.249.133] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:17:07 gensyms_ [~michael@c-68-60-9-148.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 07:20:39 I took another stab at the bowling kata. Here is what I came up with this time around. http://ideone.com/CrYVb9 07:23:02 -!- sdemarre [~serge@85.116-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:24:36 -!- gensyms_ [~michael@c-68-60-9-148.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com] 07:24:53 hitecnologys: can you link me to the JSON blog post you are writing? 07:24:55 gensyms [~michael@c-68-60-9-148.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 07:28:12 -!- DalekBaldwin1 [~Adium@ip68-4-133-159.oc.oc.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:30:22 samebchase: here it is: http://94.137.2.102:8080/ 07:33:21 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@107.201.4.22] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:36:44 -!- namtsui [~user@c-76-21-121-73.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 07:37:49 -!- DrCode [~DrCode@gateway/tor-sasl/drcode] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:39:36 DrCode [~DrCode@gateway/tor-sasl/drcode] has joined #lisp 07:42:10 namtsui [~user@c-76-21-121-73.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 07:48:08 -!- Teratogen [leontopod@unaffiliated/teratogen] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:50:18 ehu [~ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 07:50:57 alezost [~user@128-70-201-90.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 07:52:07 Teratogen [leontopod@intertwingled.net] has joined #lisp 07:52:08 -!- Teratogen [leontopod@intertwingled.net] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 07:52:26 Teratogen [leontopod@intertwingled.net] has joined #lisp 07:52:39 -!- Teratogen [leontopod@intertwingled.net] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 07:54:30 doomlord [~doomlod@host86-180-26-144.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 08:01:40 DalekBaldwin [~Adium@ip68-4-133-159.oc.oc.cox.net] has joined #lisp 08:02:00 kiuma [~kiuma@2-230-138-74.ip202.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 08:04:26 -!- maxter [~maxter@gaffeless.chaperon.volia.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:28:45 clmsy [~clmsy@178.233.22.39] has joined #lisp 08:35:41 -!- McMAGIC--Copy [~McMAGIC--@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmagic--copy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:36:07 McMAGIC--Copy [~McMAGIC--@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmagic--copy] has joined #lisp 08:37:30 mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.98.241] has joined #lisp 08:41:03 cdidd [~cdidd@128-68-43-235.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 08:42:29 quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-98-217.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 08:48:14 -!- quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-98-217.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:48:51 quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-98-217.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 08:52:17 Ok, jsown is really that fast. It sucks only on long float (~50 places and more). 08:52:34 s/float/floats 08:53:35 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.98.241] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:55:03 Ah, and jsown doesn't decode integers that are larger than 2^64. 08:56:27 Hydan [~Adium@ip-89-103-110-5.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lisp 08:56:47 sdemarre [~serge@85.116-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #lisp 08:59:29 nowhere_man [~pierre@5070B859.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has joined #lisp 09:05:18 momo-reina [~user@112.207.220.8] has joined #lisp 09:05:36 -!- momo-reina [~user@112.207.220.8] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:06:49 -!- DalekBaldwin [~Adium@ip68-4-133-159.oc.oc.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:07:12 MrWoohoo [~MrWoohoo@pool-108-38-175-139.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 09:07:39 -!- clmsy [~clmsy@178.233.22.39] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:08:16 Oh, I made a mistake. jsown refuses to process long floats as well. 09:09:14 momo-reina [~user@112.207.220.8] has joined #lisp 09:11:03 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-180-111.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 09:14:38 -!- ehaliewicz [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:14:49 stepnem [~stepnem@internet2.cznet.cz] has joined #lisp 09:18:44 How do I get consing data without parsing TIME output? 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11:24:19 and hunchentoot? 11:24:28 (I know they're not related) 11:25:02 -!- klltkr [~klltkr@host86-141-208-84.range86-141.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:25:33 What exactly do you want to know about them? 11:25:49 I intentionally left the questions open to solicit any and all opinions 11:26:53 mpstyler [~user@176.73.154.121] has joined #lisp 11:27:09 I'm watching GCL compile and it's compiling a tonne of asm. Crazy 11:27:33 ltbarcly [~textual@pool-71-116-73-196.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 11:29:33 <|3b|> gcl seems to be one of the less popular implementations, i've heard it has been less CL comformant than others in the past, but may have gotten some fixes recently, so may be better 11:29:53 it transpiles to C from what I am reading 11:30:05 <|3b|> yeah, that is my understanding as well 11:30:17 gcl ? 11:30:18 <|3b|> ecl seems to be th more popular option for that style of compilation 11:30:22 still maintained ? 11:30:36 i thought ecl is what almost replaced gcl 11:30:53 <|3b|> it was pretty dead for a while, but seems active again 11:31:35 <|3b|> recently had first release in 8 years according to http://www.gnu.org/software/gcl/ 11:32:24 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@pool-71-116-73-196.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:38:53 -!- sdemarre [~serge@85.116-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:39:46 AeroNotix: gcl needs work. It's not even fully ANSI CL compilant yet. 11:40:13 pjb: interesting - my build just failed after like 6 minutes of compiling :/ 11:40:22 Error: ERROR "Someone tried to RETURN-FROM a TAGBODY." 11:40:25 Haha 11:40:27 woots 11:40:35 Why do you want to use it? 11:40:44 pjb: just playing around with different lisp implementations 11:40:47 You may want to work on it! 11:40:52 to know what's out there and their strengths etc 11:41:02 (and weaknesses) 11:41:35 Currently on my linux workstation, I have "Armed Bear Common Lisp" "Clozure Common Lisp" "CLISP" "CMU Common Lisp" "GNU Common Lisp (GCL)" "SBCL". 11:41:48 CrazyEddy [~eusol@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has joined #lisp 11:41:52 Armed Bear sounds cool 11:42:03 Is Allegro worth it? 11:42:15 AeroNotix: cf clall http://git.informatimago.com/viewgit/?a=viewblob&p=public/bin&h=20e7c3e66d352e12cdf547c5f75c696f1bbcf672&hb=e8c9295733b1c3607fa285c88de3865db414ce81&f=clall 11:42:35 Do you mean monetarily or quality-wise? 11:42:40 both 11:43:04 Actually, it's worth in both dimensions, only monetarily, it depends on whether you're able to make a profit of your use of Allegro CL. 11:43:11 But there's a student version for free. 11:43:19 Not a studen :/ 11:43:22 +t 11:43:29 ASau` [~user@p4FF9774A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 11:44:01 watching this: https://www.bitcast.io/v/lispcast-reddit-clone-episode-1 11:44:16 it's excrutiating to watch him implement a totally unsafe implementation of reddit 11:44:34 there's no atomic updates of the counters. Is hunchentoot single-threaded? 11:44:47 -!- tephra [~tephra@pagefault.se] has quit [Quit: Changing server] 11:45:06 But I feel that ITA software is somewhat an exception as a company using CL not using a commercial one (they use SBCL). They have a lot of sbcl hackers and special needs for a special low level hacks in sbcl. Other CL companies often use Allegro or Lispworks. 11:45:27 Hunchentoot is not single-threaded. 11:45:34 so 11:45:49 Special variables aren't thread safe, are they? 11:46:11 You mean, INCF. That would depend on the implementation, but in general, no. 11:46:22 Thought so, he didn't even mention this fact. 11:46:26 In some implementation, there's an ATOMIC-INCF. 11:46:42 meh - not really interested in learning non-standard extensions 11:47:03 Well, that's that, or you re-implement them with bordeaux-threads :-) 11:47:30 -!- ASau [~user@p5797E7A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:47:39 sweeeet selenium is availble in CL 11:48:02 -!- DalekBaldwin [~Adium@ip68-4-133-159.oc.oc.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:48:04 Try clall '(apropos "ATOMIC")' 11:48:08 ace4016 [~ace4016@cpe-024-074-209-073.ec.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 11:49:33 -!- ace4016 [~ace4016@cpe-024-074-209-073.ec.res.rr.com] has left #lisp 11:49:39 pjb: did you write clall? 11:49:45 Yes. 11:49:47 neat idea 11:50:09 do you use it for running tests? 11:50:16 i.e. run your test suite via clall 11:50:21 And I have a allhosts command that ssh to my various machines, so that I can sometimes do allhosts clall '(something)' and have it run on 25+ implementations on 7+ machines :-) 11:50:27 HAHAHA 11:50:29 love it 11:50:40 Yes, to test compatibility. 11:50:53 Fabric is good for this 11:51:00 -!- ASau` is now known as ASau 11:52:46 zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 11:55:15 puchacz [~puchacz@46-65-36-47.zone16.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 11:55:34 -!- antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:56:41 -!- namtsui [~user@c-76-21-121-73.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:56:52 antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has joined #lisp 11:56:57 pjb: could I fork clall onto github so I have easy access to it? 12:05:39 -!- void64 [~luke@37.213.168.247] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:11:36 ffilozov [~user@119.red-80-28-107.adsl.static.ccgg.telefonica.net] has joined #lisp 12:12:29 mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.96.25] has joined #lisp 12:17:44 You already have easy access to it: git clone http://git.informatimago.com/public/bin 12:18:06 pjb: but then I have to remember where it is on different machines :) 12:18:36 You can push it wherever you want, I can't prevent you doing that (and it's GPL3 or AGPL3 code anyways). 12:18:48 well, I still thought I'd ask 12:18:59 I'll install gitorious instead of viewgit on git.informatimago.com soon. 12:18:59 ikki [~ikki@201.165.170.26] has joined #lisp 12:19:10 oh cool 12:19:17 pjb: do you use gitorious a lot? 12:19:34 My advice would be to use gitorious.org instead of github.com ; github.com becomes like Facebook with NSA hooks ;-) 12:19:43 -!- mpstyler [~user@176.73.154.121] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:19:45 Do you have proof of that? 12:20:02 It's "obvious" :-) 12:20:15 Well for the facebook part, it's frightening even. 12:20:22 Well I don't use facebook 12:20:28 Good for you. 12:20:45 Aramur [~arare@83.61.33.213] has joined #lisp 12:21:09 if you don't feel comfortable with it being on facebook, that's cool. 12:21:10 Anyways gitorious is in Norway jurisdiction, and AGPL3. 12:21:19 s/facebook/github 12:22:21 That's ok. I have to use github for work. But I don't think it's a good idea for an European startup to put its source code on github, to be seen by all the US industrial spies. Strikes me as plain dumb. 12:22:50 I've not heard anything about GitHub doing stuff like that, but I'd be interested in finding out. 12:23:07 I'm in the EU fwiw 12:24:29 Well, there has been so many actual stories of industrial spying reported, even before the Internet, now that's become so much easier, it should be obvious that anything worth it is copied even before the managers know it, when they make you use the "cloud". 12:24:58 Are you talking about the private github accounts? 12:25:00 for companies? 12:25:36 Yes. 12:25:46 My next company is using it 12:25:48 namtsui [~user@c-76-21-121-73.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:26:48 It does worry me that. 12:26:49 On the other hand, this is used to quite some good effects. For example, it's known the F-35 is a cow, can't win a fight, and costs trillions (billions each plane). My guess is that those trillions have NOT been spent on the F-35, but have been diverted to some other useful projects, while spying has been let loose, so that eg. the Chinese have their own copy of the F-35, so they spend a lot of money on a plane/concept that's worthle 12:27:12 Just like the US won the cold war against USRR, they're trying to fight with "money" their war with the Chinese. 12:27:17 Where are you based? 12:27:23 Currently in France. 12:27:26 ok 12:27:40 Oh wait, there's some thing I heard about French law 12:27:43 And the point of git was to have distributed repositories. 12:28:08 You can easily set up your own internal git repository. Even with AGPL3 software like gitorious if you want the added niceties. 12:28:12 basically - it's supposed to be difficult to try people on laws which were passed in private or otherwise non-publically. 12:28:34 pjb: yep, I've set up and used gitlab, cgit and webgit 12:28:37 There's no notion of secret law in France. Something that's secret cannot be a law. 12:28:46 Yeah that's what I mean 12:29:11 Since the principle is that none is assumed to ignore the law, the law must be know of all, and is indeed published in the Journal Officiel so that everybody can read it and know it. 12:29:33 So how well does that work in practice? 12:29:34 (The only problem being of course nowadays there's more published on this weekly journal than you can read in a week). 12:29:37 pjb: How would you know if it's secret? 12:29:42 ffilozov: that's the point 12:29:49 ffilozov: it wouldn't apply! 12:29:50 you can't abide by a law if you don't know it exists 12:30:01 but in the US you can be tried on laws which were passed in private 12:30:20 Yes, but US is not a lawful land. 12:30:24 Indeed 12:30:24 I wonder if it has ever been. 12:30:39 perhaps before the Americans were there 12:30:47 I'm curious how do you know that France doesn't have laws decided in private? 12:31:02 Because the principle is that everybody is expected to know the law. 12:31:20 Something that's known by everybody cannot be called a secret. 12:31:48 I don't think that people who would support secret laws would care much about such a principle. 12:32:28 I don't say that politicians and governments don't do things in secret, perhaps write things in secret. But that's no law. It could be argued that's often out of the law, and it's sometimes discovered and politicians are sometimes tried for such out of the law (ex-secret) activities. 12:32:43 ffilozov: yes, americans are dumb. 12:33:25 AeroNotix: https://gitorious.org/gitorious 12:33:29 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.96.25] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:34:01 pjb: No need for name calling. I'm only suggesting that one can't be too certain about such things. 12:34:26 -!- ASau [~user@p4FF9774A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:36:15 -!- ikki [~ikki@201.165.170.26] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:36:25 ffilozov: are you American? 12:37:43 klltkr [~klltkr@host86-141-208-84.range86-141.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 12:37:49 AeroNotix: I'm an alien observing your homo spanien cultures. 12:37:54 -!- galdor_ is now known as galdor 12:37:58 3edgy5me 12:39:53 Spellcheck doesn't work on my spaceship yet! 12:40:56 ASau [~user@p4FF9774A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 12:41:27 -!- keltvek [~keltvek@unaffiliated/keltvek] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:45:58 foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has joined #lisp 12:46:12 On to a lighter subject, does anyone know how to delete a library installed using Quicklisp? 12:47:03 mpstyler [~user@176.73.154.121] has joined #lisp 12:47:22 nialo [~nialo@ool-18bbb124.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 12:49:46 dtw [~dtw@pdpc/supporter/active/dtw] has joined #lisp 12:51:23 -!- smull [~smull@port-212-202-120-50.static.qsc.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:00:27 how would one count (sum) how many times it some predicati true within a loop? 13:01:43 (loop with i for ... if (foo) do (incf i) ...) 13:01:49 *with i = 0 13:02:41 Shimera: that definatly shold be a separate variable, but not global 13:02:59 sorry, I ment Shinmera 13:03:23 I... don't understand what you're trying to say? 13:03:50 -!- lkjh [~lkjh@ool-182c2429.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:04:11 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:04:30 for example function (defun count-odd-numbers (start end)(loop for i from start to end do ( count oddp number) return counted value) 13:05:05 do i declare a var with let and the incf it? 13:05:21 no, the "with" keyword creates a local binding in the loop. 13:05:38 (loop with i = 0 ..) creates a local loop variable "i" initialized to 0. 13:05:49 ikki [~ikki@201.165.170.26] has joined #lisp 13:06:26 which is about equivalent to writing (let ((i 0)) (loop ...)) 13:06:59 i see, thanks 13:07:11 breakds [~breakds@c-24-0-146-43.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:07:22 -!- clmsy [~clmsy@178.233.22.39] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:07:53 emm, but how do i return it from the function? 13:08:27 (loop with i = 0 ... finally (return i)) 13:08:47 Shinmera: thank you 13:10:28 actually wait 13:10:28 <|3b|> (loop ... count (predicate))? 13:10:30 yeah 13:10:35 just remembered about count 13:10:40 derp 13:10:57 <|3b|> or (count-if #'predicate sequence) 13:12:57 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-182-134.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:13:15 <|3b|> though i guess COUNT-IF doesn't help in the specified example where you don't already have a list/vector 13:14:15 jrajav [~jrajav@66-188-183-116.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has joined #lisp 13:14:38 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 13:26:40 arubin [~arubin@99-114-192-172.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 13:26:54 |3b| thanks! 13:26:57 -!- ikki [~ikki@201.165.170.26] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:29:08 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:31:57 clmsy [~clmsy@178.233.22.39] has joined #lisp 13:34:05 walter [~walter@c-24-218-217-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:40:14 -!- nialo [~nialo@ool-18bbb124.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:42:39 ikki [~ikki@187.208.206.111] has joined #lisp 13:45:11 stardiviner [~stardivin@60.186.239.146] has joined #lisp 13:46:11 -!- kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:46:25 keltvek [~keltvek@um-sd13-p308-1.uni-mb.si] has joined #lisp 13:47:45 So, how can I get consing statistics without parsing TIME output? 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Such as: /path/:placeholder/ 15:27:57 then somehow retrieve the value of placeholder? 15:28:18 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Disconnected by services] 15:28:34 -!- kdas__ is now known as kushal 15:28:40 -!- kushal [~kdas@114.143.164.52] has quit [Changing host] 15:28:40 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 15:28:53 -!- yacks [~py@103.6.158.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:29:05 You can try RESTAS. 15:29:22 It's a nice wrapper over hunchentoot and stuff. 15:29:38 ugh, more libraries :) 15:29:43 -!- klltkr [~klltkr@host86-141-208-84.range86-141.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:29:49 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:31:26 -!- lyanchih [~lyanchih@114-34-99-241.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: lyanchih] 15:31:33 yacks [~py@103.6.158.106] has joined #lisp 15:34:30 hitecnologys: so hunchentoot doesn't support this out of the box? 15:35:02 -!- Aramur [~arare@83.61.33.213] has quit [Quit: Aramur] 15:35:20 AeroNotix: AFAIK, nope. 15:35:25 Great 15:35:51 You can actually write this by yourself, it should be easy. 15:36:09 Well, yeah. But less code == less bugs etc etc etc etc do I really need to explain this 15:36:12 Hunchentoot supports regexps for URIs. 15:36:20 oh it does, that's good 15:37:23 But I really suggest you try RESTAS if you're writing something big, it's awesome. 15:37:40 I'm not writing something big 15:37:46 I wrote the same thing in clojure in 50 lines. 15:37:51 OK then. 15:38:10 So it's really small, just a couple of handlers. 15:38:21 regex dispatchers will do the job just fine 15:38:22 But Clojure is completely different from CL. 15:38:43 Not in meaningful ways in this comparison, no. 15:38:53 ltbarcly [~textual@pool-71-116-73-196.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 15:39:25 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 15:41:01 scoofy [~scoofy@catv-89-135-71-167.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #lisp 15:43:02 sykopomp [~sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 15:43:19 drmeiste_ [~drmeister@pool-71-185-168-200.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 15:44:06 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@pool-71-116-73-196.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:45:34 -!- jrajav [~jrajav@66-188-183-116.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has quit [Quit: I tend to be neutral about apples] 15:45:41 oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-182-134.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 15:47:26 -!- igotnolegs- [~igotnoleg@65-130-12-10.slkc.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:48:53 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:49:17 ltbarcly [~textual@pool-71-116-73-196.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 15:51:56 ericmathison [~ericmathi@172-15-249-133.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 15:53:16 igotnolegs- [~igotnoleg@65-130-25-95.slkc.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 15:54:13 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@pool-71-116-73-196.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:54:36 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-182-134.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:55:34 oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-134-130.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 15:57:29 -!- DrCode [~DrCode@gateway/tor-sasl/drcode] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:57:55 s00pcan [~chris@108-208-64-149.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 15:58:34 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:01:23 Joreji [~thomas@77-23-110-134-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 16:02:37 -!- void64 [~luke@37.213.168.247] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:03:23 DrCode [~DrCode@gateway/tor-sasl/drcode] has joined #lisp 16:04:01 -!- Karl_dscc [~localhost@p5B2B2B5E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:06:42 -!- seangrov` [~user@c-69-181-197-122.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:08:09 -!- irq0 [~irq0@amy.irq0.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:09:14 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 16:09:41 -!- eeezkil [4e5a4f2b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.90.79.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:12:09 -!- drmeiste_ [~drmeister@pool-71-185-168-200.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:14:40 -!- hyperboreean [~none@unaffiliated/hyperboreean] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:15:35 -!- jewel [~jewel@105-236-76-4.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:16:28 irq0 [~irq0@amy.irq0.org] has joined #lisp 16:18:19 eeezkil [4e5a4f2b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.90.79.43] has joined #lisp 16:18:30 hyperboreean [~none@unaffiliated/hyperboreean] has joined #lisp 16:23:41 seangrov` [~user@208.80.69.42] has joined #lisp 16:25:39 -!- rk[] is now known as rk[farm] 16:27:14 -!- theos is now known as Guest11960 16:27:41 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 16:29:39 -!- Guest11960 [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:30:39 -!- maxter [~maxter@gaffeless.chaperon.volia.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 16:31:30 boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 16:36:45 -!- boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:38:58 drmeiste_ [~drmeister@pool-71-185-168-200.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 16:52:31 -!- sdemarre [~serge@85.116-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:57:02 didi [~user@unaffiliated/didi/x-1022147] has joined #lisp 16:57:50 ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:58:08 nilsi [~nilsi@101.95.4.234] has joined #lisp 16:58:15 -!- nilsi [~nilsi@101.95.4.234] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:58:46 nilsi [~nilsi@5.254.131.71] has joined #lisp 17:05:02 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:06:15 iewjfw [~sebyte@24.20.187.81.in-addr.arpa] has joined #lisp 17:08:48 Is it possible to write a TYPESPEC which tests for one of two symbols only; T or NIL? 17:08:53 -!- lkjh [~lkjh@ool-182c2429.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:09:14 (member t nil) 17:09:33 or (or null (eql t)) 17:10:10 -!- pranavrc [~pranavrc@unaffiliated/pranavrc] has quit [Quit: Ping timeout: ] 17:10:57 fe[nl]ix: ta 17:14:53 -!- sirdancealo2 [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:15:50 sirdancealo2 [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has joined #lisp 17:19:43 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:20:35 clhs boolean 17:20:35 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/t_ban.htm 17:22:29 -!- tali713 [~tali713@2001:0:53aa:64c:10bf:7a36:b3ee:137e] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:25:01 -!- ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:26:37 tali713 [~tali713@2001:0:53aa:64c:10bf:7a36:b3ee:137e] has joined #lisp 17:26:55 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-134-130.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 17:31:51 Bike: ta ta 17:34:13 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 17:35:08 ltbarcly [~jvanwink@pool-71-116-73-196.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 17:35:49 void64 [~luke@178.122.5.133] has joined #lisp 17:36:24 -!- ltbarcly__ [~jvanwink@pool-71-116-73-196.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:37:43 lyanchih [~lyanchih@114-34-99-241.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 17:39:33 lkjh [~lkjh@ool-182c2429.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 17:39:54 ehaliewicz [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 17:42:22 -!- lyanchih [~lyanchih@114-34-99-241.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Client Quit] 17:45:45 what do people use for application configuration settings? 17:46:10 An s-expression file 17:46:14 config.sexp 17:46:17 cool ok 17:46:25 seems a good idea 17:46:37 *AeroNotix* facepalms 17:46:38 nope, Quadrescence 17:46:44 you're using json files 17:46:47 or will be 17:46:50 json? Why? 17:47:14 because it's easy to share it with perl/pythin/ruby cronjobs 17:47:38 hmm 17:47:40 -!- lkjh [~lkjh@ool-182c2429.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:47:48 fe[nl]ix, ;) my lisp code usually isn't getting shared with other languages 17:48:03 Obligatory: "There are other languages?" 17:48:09 ;) 17:48:40 yes if I need to share, and/or if I am in a barbaric environment, I will use something else. If non-technical humans need to edit it, sometimes I use INI. 17:49:11 yes, but we already had json parsing code and it was easier that way 17:49:42 trello [~user@2.121.97.187] has joined #lisp 17:49:59 fe[nl]ix, I am talking generally for any projects I've done in the past, not for a specific one I'm working on now. 17:50:29 All said and done, JSON is 2+(n+n-1) characters different than ini files. 17:50:35 -!- guyal [~anonymous@108-235-117-64.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:50:46 { key: value, key2: value, key3: value } 17:51:07 sexps make the most sense for pure Lisp code 17:51:33 Quadrescence: ok, but in general json is a bit more flexible 17:53:11 -!- nilsi [~nilsi@5.254.131.71] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:53:20 built in support for arrays, nested objects, and strings 17:53:23 json or sexps? 17:53:27 ;) 17:53:31 fe[nl]ix, Flexible in terms of interoperability with other languages. What else makes it more flexible? 17:54:18 more types, deeper nesting 17:54:26 more types is a lie 17:54:41 it's not 17:54:58 a json object is basically an alist 17:55:08 'deeper nesting' is a lie, too. 17:55:39 I know I'm not a lisp expert but even I can see that the expressive power of json is less then sexps 17:55:51 having said that, interoperability is a very huge thing 17:56:09 I was comparing json with ini files 17:56:14 cool down 17:56:18 I'm cool :) 17:56:46 ini files are pretty shitty for developers, imho. 17:56:55 but very good for non-technical people 17:57:56 (I thought fe[nl]ix was also saying sexps were less flexible than json.) 17:58:33 nope 17:58:44 guyal [~anonymous@108-235-117-64.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 17:58:49 I agree totally then. 17:58:54 but if you need interoperability json is the best you can do 17:58:56 oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-134-130.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 17:59:00 Yes I agree. 17:59:35 how about if we all just agree to use xml 17:59:46 because everyone likes xml 17:59:55 I had even found a way to use json in bash scripts 17:59:56 -!- CrazyEddy [~eusol@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:59:58 xml needs too much typing 18:00:09 hence json... 18:00:27 yup 18:00:45 Quadrescence: something like eval $(json-to-ini.pl foo.json) 18:02:45 :) 18:11:39 -!- drmeiste_ [~drmeister@pool-71-185-168-200.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:11:59 maxter [~maxter@gaffeless.chaperon.volia.net] has joined #lisp 18:14:00 CrazyEddy [~diastral@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has joined #lisp 18:14:26 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 18:22:38 -!- chu [~user@unaffiliated/chu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:24:30 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-134-130.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 18:25:53 knob [~knob@66-50-28-221.prtc.net] has joined #lisp 18:26:07 Aramur [~arare@213.Red-83-61-33.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 18:26:14 -!- seangrov` [~user@208.80.69.42] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:26:36 -!- knob [~knob@66-50-28-221.prtc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:27:02 knob [~knob@66-50-28-221.prtc.net] has joined #lisp 18:28:13 spacefrogg_ [~spacefrog@unaffiliated/spacefrogg] has joined #lisp 18:28:16 -!- spacefrogg_ is now known as spacefrogg 18:28:52 -!- MoALTz [~no@host-92-6-99-90.as43234.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:29:45 MoALTz [~no@host-92-6-99-90.as43234.net] has joined #lisp 18:29:55 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:30:26 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 18:30:51 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:31:36 oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-134-130.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 18:35:38 -!- CrazyEddy [~diastral@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:37:06 sdemarre [~serge@85.116-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #lisp 18:38:28 -!- Joreji [~thomas@77-23-110-134-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:47:20 -!- dtw [~dtw@pdpc/supporter/active/dtw] has quit [Quit: Zzzz] 18:47:56 -!- CrazyWoods [~nowolfer@61.131.127.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:48:13 -!- tali713 [~tali713@2001:0:53aa:64c:10bf:7a36:b3ee:137e] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:48:14 CrazyWoods [~nowolfer@61.131.127.25] has joined #lisp 18:49:37 tali713 [~tali713@2001:0:53aa:64c:10bf:7a36:b3ee:137e] has joined #lisp 18:49:40 CrazyEddy [~intercont@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has joined #lisp 18:53:26 -!- ragnul [~rjain@66-234-32-156.nyc.cable.nyct.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:54:14 -!- CrazyWoods [~nowolfer@61.131.127.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:54:37 ragnul [~rjain@66-234-32-156.nyc.cable.nyct.net] has joined #lisp 18:54:38 CrazyWoods [~nowolfer@61.131.127.25] has joined #lisp 19:01:20 -!- yacks [~py@103.6.158.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:01:23 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:04:11 yacks [~py@103.6.158.106] has joined #lisp 19:05:38 -!- Nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:06:51 Nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 19:06:59 -!- Nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Client Quit] 19:11:47 Nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 19:13:20 -!- Nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:13:48 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 19:15:29 Nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 19:17:29 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:17:37 -!- Nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:19:15 Nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 19:19:53 Houl [~Parmi@unaffiliated/houl] has joined #lisp 19:22:26 This performance game is interesting. Defining a top-level function instead of inside a `labels', even with type declaration and inline, adds almost 20 seconds to the benchmark. 19:27:23 GuilOooo [~GuilOooo@178.20.70.196] has joined #lisp 19:27:31 -!- iewjfw [~sebyte@24.20.187.81.in-addr.arpa] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:27:38 that's because a top level function has to be ready to called from anywhere, instead of possibly completely known places inside a function. 19:28:11 Bike: oic 19:28:49 as a simple example, if you only call your labels'd function with float arguments, the compiler might be able to have it only worry about unboxed floats 19:30:24 nug700 [~nug700@174-26-128-84.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 19:35:09 -!- mpstyler [~user@176.73.154.121] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:35:23 mpstyler [~user@176.73.154.121] has joined #lisp 19:37:45 konr [~user@177.139.57.91] has joined #lisp 19:38:30 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:38:48 -!- Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: brb] 19:39:31 foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has joined #lisp 19:40:20 does anyone know offhand the most effcient way to compute the geometric mean for a shitload of floats without rounding error blowing out the computation? 19:40:29 would anyone here know a good answer? 19:40:58 unfortunately pkhuong is offline I see 19:41:00 -!- GuilOooo [~GuilOooo@178.20.70.196] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:41:24 GuilOooo [~GuilOooo@178.20.70.196] has joined #lisp 19:43:00 hm, i guess you could bisect it? like, mean of a b c d is sqrt((mean of a b)(mean of c d))? course i don't know if that actually helps rounding 19:44:04 Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has joined #lisp 19:44:47 Bike: yeah, I need someone with actual understanding of numerics, or else it's just groping blindly, which doesn't go well when numerical precision is important 19:44:56 sorry :/ 19:45:25 do tell if you find a good answer though, i'd like to grope less in the future 19:45:26 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-134-130.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:47:22 slyrus [~chatzilla@107.201.4.22] has joined #lisp 19:48:28 is there any equivalent to django's inspectdb for clsql? 19:53:24 -!- fe[nl]ix [~quassel@pdpc/supporter/professional/fenlix] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 19:54:15 fe[nl]ix [~quassel@pdpc/supporter/professional/fenlix] has joined #lisp 19:55:58 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@94.144.63.84] has quit [Quit: wifi change] 19:56:46 ltbarcly_ [~textual@pool-71-116-73-196.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 19:57:43 mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has joined #lisp 20:00:44 lyanchih [~lyanchih@114-34-99-241.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 20:05:50 oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-134-130.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 20:13:18 -!- guyal [~anonymous@108-235-117-64.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:15:00 -!- lyanchih [~lyanchih@114-34-99-241.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: lyanchih] 20:15:12 guyal [~anonymous@108-235-117-64.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 20:17:12 I have a mildly strange problem: I'm using CCL with emacs/slime, when I use C-x, C-e to execute (random 10) in a buffer I seem to always get 7. otoh, typing it into the REPL seems to give actual random numbers 20:17:16 any idea what I broke? 20:17:38 the thread's initial random-state appears to be the same 20:17:52 -!- rvchangue [~rvchangue@unaffiliated/rvchangue] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:17:56 C-x C-e creates a new thread on each invocation 20:18:19 I see 20:18:35 clhs make-random-state 20:18:35 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_mk_rnd.htm 20:19:24 rvchangue [~rvchangue@unaffiliated/rvchangue] has joined #lisp 20:19:56 that is mildly awkward to work around, but at least things make sense now 20:19:58 thanks! 20:21:16 -!- ltbarcly_ [~textual@pool-71-116-73-196.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 20:23:31 -!- hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@94.137.40.198] has quit [Quit: zzz...] 20:25:19 -!- alezost [~user@128-70-201-90.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 20:28:18 -!- s00pcan [~chris@108-208-64-149.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:29:18 -!- GuilOooo [~GuilOooo@178.20.70.196] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:29:53 GuilOooo [~GuilOooo@178.20.70.196] has joined #lisp 20:34:13 -!- mpstyler [~user@176.73.154.121] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:36:44 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:40:16 -!- antgreen [~green@173.206.83.249] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:43:32 sunwukong [~androirc@78.139.2.103] has joined #lisp 20:48:01 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:48:49 -!- sunwukong [~androirc@78.139.2.103] has quit [Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com )] 20:49:17 -!- stepnem [~stepnem@internet2.cznet.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:58:52 sabra [~sabra@67.174.222.215] has joined #lisp 21:00:33 boogie [~boogie@wsip-184-178-122-90.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 21:00:50 -!- victor_lowther [~victor.lo@2602:306:3686:86c0:40af:bfd:ed2:fd6b] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:00:53 -!- sdemarre [~serge@85.116-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:04:05 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:05:18 DalekBaldwin [~Adium@ip68-4-133-159.oc.oc.cox.net] has joined #lisp 21:07:23 Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 21:13:49 clsql uppercases the column name when selecting, my column names are lower case. Using a :column in the def-view-class does nothing to change this. What do? 21:15:33 -!- namtsui [~user@c-76-21-121-73.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:16:53 -!- maxter [~maxter@gaffeless.chaperon.volia.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:19:54 oh hmm, if I wrap the symbols in |symbol| it works 21:22:55 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-101-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 21:23:21 kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-101-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 21:24:11 -!- hiroakip [~hiroaki@77-20-192-229-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:28:10 -!- DalekBaldwin [~Adium@ip68-4-133-159.oc.oc.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:29:22 drmeiste_ [~drmeister@pool-71-185-168-200.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 21:33:02 -!- nialo [~nialo@ool-18bbb124.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:34:57 nialo [~nialo@ool-18bbb124.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 21:39:08 lkjh_ [~lkjh@ool-182c2429.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 21:39:41 nialo: in ~/.swank.lisp, add (*random-state* . ,(make-random-state t)) to (defparameter *swank-bindings* `(  )) 21:40:56 see my .swank.lisp: http://paste.lisp.org/+2YYH 21:47:13 Karl_dscc [~localhost@p5B2B2B5E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 21:51:49 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-31-141.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 21:52:11 -!- boogie [~boogie@wsip-184-178-122-90.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:57:53 -!- Codynyx [~cody@c-75-72-187-16.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:00:34 ampersand27017 [~ampersand@76.91.115.14] has joined #lisp 22:02:11 -!- prxq__ [~mommer@mnhm-4d01133f.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:04:29 knob3212 [~knob@66-50-29-51.prtc.net] has joined #lisp 22:05:25 -!- knob [~knob@66-50-28-221.prtc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:05:49 namtsui [~user@c-76-21-121-73.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:06:36 -!- rvchangue [~rvchangue@unaffiliated/rvchangue] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:08:05 -!- lkjh_ [~lkjh@ool-182c2429.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:08:35 rvchangue [~rvchangue@unaffiliated/rvchangue] has joined #lisp 22:08:46 Codynyx [~cody@c-75-72-187-16.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:13:04 -!- Karl_dscc [~localhost@p5B2B2B5E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:14:24 boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 22:15:50 -!- zacharias [~aw@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:19:04 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:20:36 -!- _veer [~veer@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:22:08 _veer [~veer@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 22:25:42 Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 22:26:25 -!- Houl [~Parmi@unaffiliated/houl] has quit [Quit: weil das Wetter so schön ist] 22:28:45 lkjh_ [~lkjh@ool-182c2429.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 22:29:13 -!- lkjh_ [~lkjh@ool-182c2429.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Client Quit] 22:31:30 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 22:32:34 -!- boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:39:41 Another go at bowling kata. Hopefully this one is more idiomatic and clear. http://ideone.com/3xFemL 22:43:28 Spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has joined #lisp 22:45:25 -!- ehu [~ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:45:58 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:48:02 s00pcan [~chris@108-208-64-149.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 22:48:14 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:53:43 Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 22:55:53 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 23:07:55 -!- s00pcan [~chris@108-208-64-149.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:08:12 -!- spacefrogg [~spacefrog@unaffiliated/spacefrogg] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:09:25 s00pcan [~chris@108-208-64-149.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 23:09:43 Docstrings would be nice. 23:13:30 ubikation [~quassel@c-67-168-252-238.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:13:37 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:15:50 -!- s00pcan [~chris@108-208-64-149.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:18:29 klltkr [~klltkr@host86-141-208-84.range86-141.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 23:20:32 -!- ampersand27017 [~ampersand@76.91.115.14] has quit [Quit: ampersand27017] 23:21:34 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:27:05 seangrov` [~user@208.80.69.42] has joined #lisp 23:29:15 s00pcan [~chris@108-208-64-149.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 23:31:55 _fable_ [~fable@177.156.60.195] has joined #lisp 23:32:24 -!- s00pcan [~chris@108-208-64-149.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:32:58 -!- _fable_ [~fable@177.156.60.195] has left #lisp 23:34:09 s00pcan [~chris@108-208-64-149.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 23:35:48 MadMao [~fable@177.156.60.195] has joined #lisp 23:36:47 -!- Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: ZzZ] 23:38:20 Is there someway to reflect on an object to get a list of slots available without having access to the original class? 23:38:53 nope. that information is in the class. 23:38:58 you have access to the class, though. 23:38:59 clhs class-of 23:39:00 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_clas_1.htm 23:39:14 Bike: was more a scientific question than anything. 23:39:33 I'm having trouble with clsql filling in slot-fields. 23:39:48 I get my objects back, but calling slot-value on them says that the fields aren't there on my class! 23:39:52 objects have the class and the slot values, conceptually. there's no reason to duplicate information from the class into every single object 23:40:19 Bike: it makes sense, very much like how modern languages implement OOP 23:40:21 DalekBaldwin [~Adium@75-142-59-12.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined #lisp 23:40:45 AeroNotix: what implementation are you using? 23:40:48 sbcl 23:41:02 AeroNotix: (sb-mop:class-slots (class-of thing)) not working? 23:41:11 Let me try that 23:41:33 -!- s00pcan [~chris@108-208-64-149.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 23:42:26 returns NIL 23:43:38 uh, what is this object, exactly? 23:43:53 It's a clsql def view class 23:43:55 i should mention i'm not at all familiar with clsql 23:44:00 ok 23:44:06 like, what's it print as, for example 23:44:11 well, it's got some weird idiosyncrasies 23:44:31 it sounds like maybe clsql does its own thing instead of using regular classes? 23:44:47 The docs say they're regular ol' CLOS classes 23:46:24 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:48:04 -!- p_l [~pl@tsugumi.brage.info] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:48:55 ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:53:53 chameco [~samuel@cpe-74-69-188-107.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 23:54:36 Xach: Thanks, adding them shortly. I just finished the kata and wanted feedback if I did anything strange or non-idiomatic. Or can do something in a cleaner way. ;) 23:55:09 -!- chameco [~samuel@cpe-74-69-188-107.stny.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 23:55:24 chameco [~samuel@cpe-74-69-188-107.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 23:57:34 jerryzhou [~jerryzhou@58.245.253.218] has joined #lisp 23:57:47 p_l [~pl@tsugumi.brage.info] has joined #lisp 23:58:23 I read a couple books, did some exercises, etc. Now I want to really practice and and get feedback. I don't know any lispers in person, so was hoping the experts like yourself in this channel would help with some feedback. Thanks for the feedback.